Time  Nick         Message
23:56 dcook        mtj: Just noticed bgkriegel's email about having a script to scrape and parse the LoC MARC sites. That's awesome!
23:48 dcook        rangi: Awesome to hear :)
23:47 dcook        magnuse++ I quite like the way he wrote that
23:46 cjh          open source ILS + open linked data = WIN
23:45 dcook        http://libriotech.no/blogs/semantikoha
23:45 dcook        Mmm, I'd forgotten a bout semantikoha...
23:44 cjh          semantic koha sounds awesome
23:44 rangi        but gmcharlt has plans too
23:43 rangi        im hoping we head towards magnus' semantikoha
23:43 rangi        there definitely are
23:42 dcook        I'm wondering if there are any post-MARC plans or if it's more so just on the wishlist atm
23:42 dcook        I just remembered that there was that module maintainer idea...
23:42 dcook        gmcharlt: Are you around?
23:42 dcook        Now that I think about it...
23:41 dcook        Pretty much :p
23:41 cjh          talking to yourself in public again?
23:41 cjh          heh
23:41 dcook        That's more an internal/self-directed comment than anything else :p
23:41 dcook        Yet another reason to move away from TT templates for search/detail displays...
23:40 * dcook      nods
23:40 rangi        adn with the xslt, you can easily just type rda in the box to use the rda xslt
23:40 rangi        exactly
23:39 dcook        Having RDA options will be great (yay mtj and bgkriegel), but I think post-MARC work will be the most valuable going forward
23:38 dcook        something to be said for*
23:38 dcook        There's something to be keeping up but not dwelling...
23:38 dcook        rangi: Pretty much
23:38 dcook        Mind you, ideally, a system where librarians/sysadmins could pick and choose which fields to show in a user-friendly way would be awesome
23:38 rangi        tick the RDA box
23:38 rangi        i want to follow a trend that even the LOC have moved off of
23:37 rangi        yep
23:37 dcook        But having an option is good
23:37 dcook        But yes, I like the idea of not having the default necessarily have those RDA fields
23:37 rangi        its why without a crosswalk
23:37 rangi        depending on who you get your records from
23:37 dcook        Mmm
23:37 rangi        and only some
23:37 dcook        new books or new editions, I suppose
23:36 rangi        is what we are saying
23:36 rangi        RDA for new books
23:36 rangi        but it does limit the usefulness
23:36 rangi        exactly
23:36 dcook        rangi: Fortunately no one is that mad?
23:36 papa         well hello!
23:36 dcook        Mmm, I see what you're saying
23:36 eythian      papa: good work on yesterday's sign-off binge :)
23:36 rangi        no one afaik is going back through all the already catalogued stuff
23:36 eythian      hello papa
23:36 rangi        they might have caught up with the amount that arent in aarc2
23:36 dcook        So if they're copy cataloguing, they're going to be getting those RDA records
23:36 rangi        and in 1038 years
23:36 dcook        Especially at places like LoC and LibrariesAustralia
23:35 rangi        yep
23:35 dcook        An increasing number of people are cataloguing using RDA, me thinks
23:35 rangi        its both
23:35 dcook        It's that the people won't use them
23:35 dcook        It's not that the records won't use them
23:35 dcook        Well..
23:35 * dcook      nods
23:35 rangi        lets not make the current xslt bigger and slower for fields thatn .0000001% of records will ever use
23:34 rangi        and anglophones (and germans)
23:34 dcook        rangi: That could work
23:34 rangi        only for marc21
23:34 rangi        or rda
23:34 dcook        It does refer to a new description 'standard' (or anti-standard) and a set of MARC changes
23:34 rangi        ppl can type default
23:34 rangi        xslt one
23:34 rangi        id make a new RDA one
23:34 dcook        Well, it's not necessarily a buzzword
23:33 cjh          dcook: because RDA is a cool buzzword and koha must be fully buzzword-compliant
23:33 dcook        I've seen them in the Library of Congress catalogue, but that's about it
23:33 dcook        While I agree in theory, I'm not sure how that information should be presented. As rangi mentioned, I'm not sure anyone actually knows "why" they need RDA fields.
23:32 dcook        Oh?
23:32 dcook        I suppose with custom XSLTs, there is no reason to change the existing XSLT or TT templates
23:32 mtj          dcook, the next task is to update the xslt files, for those new MARC fields too
23:31 eythian      s/I.*/yet./ ;)
23:31 dcook        mtj: Yay!
23:31 eythian      no nothing, I typed the wrong version number
23:31 mtj          dcook, yep, i think everyone agrees on that point :)
23:31 cjh          what did I break
23:31 eythian      rangi: yeah, it was a thinko
23:31 rangi        bgkriegel does 3.10.x
23:31 rangi        eythian: cjh does 3.8.x
23:30 eythian      cheers
23:30 bgkriegel    ok, I''ll look asap
23:30 dcook        That's why I'm glad that you're deciding to update the frameworks. I think they those fields should be in the default framework since they are part of the official spec
23:30 bgkriegel    :)
23:30 eythian         3.10
23:30 eythian      err
23:30 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10367 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Allow packages to work on debian wheezy
23:30 eythian      bgkriegel: are you able to have a look into putting bug 10367 into 3.8?
23:29 dcook        Yep yep
23:29 mtj          dcook, something i have recently realised… the MARC21 update-16 spec, includes all those RDA fields
23:29 wahanui      hola, bgkriegel
23:29 bgkriegel    hi
23:29 wizzyrea     nengard - about?
23:28 pianohacker  healed perfect, thanks to having a physical therapist for a mom :)
23:28 pianohacker  mtj: Yeah, broke some fingers falling off my bike a few years ago
23:28 mtj          yes, indeed
23:27 dcook        I don't think it's quite complete but perhaps a good baseline?
23:27 mtj          dcook, whats up?
23:27 dcook        mtj: Awesome that you want to update the MARC21 fields/subfields :D. I'm sure you already know but I think rangi has already done quite a bit of that in terms of frameworks: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/MARC_frameworks
23:27 mtj          pianohacker, didnt you break your arm falling off your bike?
23:27 eythian      bgkriegel: about?
23:26 wahanui      bgkriegel was last seen on #koha 3 hours, 28 minutes and 14 seconds ago, saying: Viktor, there is a problem in the translate server. I will look at that,  [Mon Jun  3 19:58:45 2013]
23:26 eythian      wahanui: seen bgkriegel
23:26 mtj          dcook, yes-ish :)
23:26 dcook        mtj: You around?
23:26 dcook        mtj++
23:26 eythian      probably don't need to do anything.
23:25 tcohen       I agree, what can I do to help you?
23:25 eythian      that way it's only work for me, not everyone :)
23:25 eythian      tcohen: It might be easier if I just made a 3.12.0.1 release, rather than needing to change the release schedule.
23:23 pianohacker  oy vey. Firefox's XSLT processor returns the same error code for 25 separate errors...
23:23 tcohen       what do u think? is it worth?
23:22 eythian      hi
23:22 tcohen       hi eythian
23:01 pianohacker  mtj: I did have a surgery recently, but you may be thinking of someone else :)
22:55 mtj          hey pianohacker, did your busted arm heal up ok?
22:52 mtj          ...would be a nice win to sort that
22:52 wizzyrea     hehe, no, silly.
22:52 * druthb     hides Pixel
22:52 druthb       wizzyrea is skinning cats now?
22:51 mtj          i'll do some tests with returns, using a 7-days dropbox, and see what happens
22:51 druthb       :-O
22:51 wizzyrea     so, several ways to skin that cat I think
22:50 mtj          yep...
22:50 wizzyrea     and give up a weeks worth of fines but not annoy people
22:49 mtj          ...its been a while since ive looked at the accountlines code/tables
22:49 wizzyrea     OR they could set a fine grace period of the max number of days
22:49 wizzyrea     dropbox mode already does that?
22:48 mtj          obviously, the biggie is rolling back the fines...
22:47 wizzyrea     "if you'd like to know when we check in your items -> procedure for doing that from the opac"
22:47 mtj          eythian++ yeah, good idea
22:47 wizzyrea     "we are only here on Tuesday, so you can safely ignore this if your item is in the dropbox"
22:47 wizzyrea     ^^
22:47 eythian      it'd be easy enough to add a note saying "if you've already returned it, those fines won't be applied" or something
22:46 wizzyrea     and turn on checkin notices, they'd get an email when it's checked in
22:46 mtj          that would now be invalid
22:46 wizzyrea     but no fines, which is what they're really concerned about
22:45 mtj          ...people would have gotten various emails about their overdue item
22:44 mtj          hmm, i wonder what are the gotchas around a setting a configable $days value for dropbox?
22:41 wizzyrea     heheheheheh
22:40 pianohacker  if its mom is a databot, its uncle is a lorebot
22:40 wizzyrea     well that would be super fancy
22:39 mtj          wizzyrea, thanks for the info - its good to have the SCO behaviour confirmed
22:39 gmcharlt     wizzyrea: tell, and to be fancy, deduce the likely last date open from the calendar
22:39 wizzyrea     curses.
22:39 wizzyrea     doh rogue apostrophe
22:39 huginn`      wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #255 added.
22:39 wizzyrea     @quote add <gmcharlt> if wahanui is an infobot, does that make it's mom a databot?
22:39 * wizzyrea   giggles
22:39 gmcharlt     if wahanui is an infobot, does that make its mom a databot?
22:39 wizzyrea     or tell dbm the last date you were open
22:38 wizzyrea     you heard me
22:38 wahanui      wizzyrea: excuse me?
22:38 wizzyrea     it's your mom, wahanui.
22:38 wahanui      hmmm... something is fishy
22:38 wizzyrea     or something
22:38 wizzyrea     "library was last open X days ago"
22:38 wizzyrea     if dropbox mode is configurable, they can set the number of days, preferably on the return screen
22:37 mtj          hmm, we might have to go for the quifkfix here, and add a syspref to allow this SCO behaviour
22:37 eythian      that might be an unusual case though
22:37 eythian      it would get confusing when they're open, say, two days.
22:36 * wizzyrea   can relate to libraries only open a few days a week
22:35 wizzyrea     it would be highly desirable to have dropbox mode be configurable
22:35 mtj          hmm, thats a good point wiz
22:35 wizzyrea     iirc you can only set dropbox mode for 1 day back?
22:35 mtj          ...so this library wants to allow people to return items via the SCO, even if they have fines, etc
22:35 wizzyrea     sounds like more of a bug with dropbox mode
22:34 mtj          …but the dropboxed items dont get scanned for x days, and accure fines
22:33 wahanui      i heard eythian was great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem.
22:33 mtj          heya eythian
22:33 mtj          so they leave their items in the dropbox
22:33 eythian      hi
22:33 mtj          some punters who have a $1  fine, cant return their items via SCO
22:32 mtj          we've got a tricky situ with a library whos librarian works 1 day a week...
22:31 mtj          yeah, i totally get that too
22:30 mtj          'SCOAllowReturnIfPatronBlocked'
22:30 wizzyrea     I guess the thinking is that the staff want tto talk to people that have books that long overdue?
22:30 mtj          so, some syspref would need to be created to override that behaviour
22:29 mtj          hmmm, ok...
22:28 wizzyrea     people would squeal, I think, if that went away
22:28 wizzyrea     at least, for one library's value of intended
22:28 wizzyrea     yes, it's intended - especially if the item is missing
22:27 mtj          3/ attempt to return either item, via the sco
22:26 mtj          2/ issue another item, with a datedue set to 1 year ago
22:26 mtj          1/ issue an item
22:25 mtj          good news - the bug is pretty easy to reproduce
22:25 mtj          .
22:24 mtj          …is there a possibility that someone has designed this behaviour, as a intended feature?
22:23 mtj          afaict, this is a bug that needs fixing
22:23 mtj          i ask, as i have experienced this behaviour in master
22:21 mtj          is there any reason why a library would want to stop a patron from returning an item (via the SCO) if that patron has a BLOCKED account?
22:20 mtj          hi peeps, i need some koha advice on a SCO bug...
21:48 rangi        was just the xisbn test
21:48 jcamins      I didn't even know that master was broken. \o/
21:36 cait1        good night all
21:29 rangi        yay
21:28 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1215: FIXED in 1 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1215/
21:28 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
20:22 jvr          thank you all
20:22 wahanui      jvr: that doesn't look right
20:22 jvr          change sql to |date and it works on 3.8
20:21 cait1        <<last seen...
20:20 cait1        hm in 3.10 that might work: <last seen|date>>
20:20 wahanui      jcamins: I forgot 3.8 and 3.10
20:20 jcamins      wahanui: forget 3.8 and 3.10
20:19 wahanui      3.8 and 3.10 are going along ok - I don't know if there's all that much to say about it
20:19 jvr          3.8 and 3.10
20:19 jvr          SELECT b.title, i.barcode, i.itemcallnumber,        IF(i.onloan IS NULL, '', 'checked out') AS onloan  FROM biblio b  LEFT JOIN items i USING (biblionumber)  WHERE datelastseen < <<Last seen before (yyyy-mm-dd)>>                   AND i.homebranch=<<Home branch|branches>>  ORDER BY datelastseen DESC, i.itemcallnumber ASC
20:18 jvr          until last year it was functioning ok
20:18 cait1        which version of koha are oyu using?
20:18 cait1        so how does the sql look like?
20:18 jvr          reports
20:17 wahanui      "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?"
20:17 cait1        first question?
20:17 jvr          the text box is missing
20:17 jvr          Last seen before (yyyy-mm-dd): text
20:17 jvr          How do I solve this problem
20:17 jvr          Hi, anyone
20:16 * rangi      takes kids to school
20:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #1215 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1210 4 days 4 hr ago)
20:11 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
20:11 rangi        !jenkins build koha_master now
20:08 tcohen       cya
20:08 tcohen       bye mtj, #koha
20:07 mtj          indeed :D
20:07 tcohen       (more fun that things that were already solved heh)
20:06 tcohen       heh
20:06 tcohen       i thought i should waste my time in something more fun
20:06 tcohen       hi mtj
20:05 tcohen       now bash tells me what branch i'm in if its a git repo
20:05 mtj          tcohen++, aah yes, i saw your bashrc screenshot - very nice!
20:05 tcohen       I managed to use some colors and preserve line-wrap functionality
20:05 tcohen       sharing my PS1 from my .bashrc
20:04 Viktor       Thanks cait1
20:04 * mtj        waves to #koha
20:04 cait1        tcohen: trying to scare us? :)
20:04 cait1        yep
20:04 tcohen       PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\W\[\033[00m\]$(__git_ps1 "\[\e[1;33m\](%s)\[\e[0m\]")$ '
20:03 Viktor       Aha - So \\n should be translated to \n instead? :)
20:03 tcohen       hi rangi
20:03 cait1        i think file a bug for those you find
20:03 cait1        but somehow somehwere an additional \ gets added
20:03 cait1        no actually it should be \n
20:02 cait1        yeah i have manually edited the po files in the past and then it was right I think, but probably safer to try and avoid
20:02 Viktor       So If they se a \n  they should translate it to \\n?
20:02 Viktor       They translate offline.
20:01 cait1        and that way you end up with \\n which shows as \n
20:01 cait1        pootle or the translation scripts? add an extra \ whatever you do
20:01 cait1        i think yes
20:00 Viktor       I've read up on the mail from today. I've told the translators to keep everything as it is, but if I understand correctly they should loose the newlines if they see any?
19:59 Viktor       Thanks cait1
19:59 Viktor       Thanks bgkriegel !
19:58 bgkriegel    Viktor, there is a problem in the translate server. I will look at that,
19:55 cait1        we had a mailing list mail about that i answered tody
19:55 cait1        better use single quotes in that case or no quotes
19:55 Viktor       Aha!
19:55 cait1        they create problems
19:55 cait1        try to get rid of the \
19:54 Viktor       The translators had a question I couldn't answer myself. Do you translate the full string when it's formated like: "\"Basic Parameters\" is where library policies are set and governed. It is best to set your system preferences a..."
19:53 Viktor       Uploading (slowly) just now.
19:51 Viktor       Ok - I'll give it a try. Thanks
19:50 cait1        hm that usually works fine
19:50 Viktor       I did an overwrite.
19:50 cait1        it looks like the file is not there, maybe upload it again?
19:50 cait1        Viktor: did yo uoverwrite or merge on  upload?
19:50 cait1        it went ot german when i logged in.. *sigh*
19:49 cait1        oh
19:49 cait1        just the counter seems off?
19:49 cait1        it looks fine when you go to the page
19:49 cait1        h
19:48 Viktor       They did the opac just fine.
19:48 Viktor       cait1 Yep. Just tried to upload the first delivery from our translators of the staff interface.
19:47 cait1        Viktor: hm have you uploaded a new file?
19:47 Viktor       A little embarrassed - did I break something with the staff interface translation? http://translate.koha-community.org/sv/312/
19:43 cait1        yah :(
19:41 rangi        anti features ftw!
19:41 rangi        that is why proprietary software sux
19:41 rangi        We have a limited number of licenses, so your access may be blocked if 5 other libraries are logged in.   <-- that
19:40 cait1        [off] aah
19:40 rangi        [off] scls are running fauxha 4.14 or something
19:40 rangi        [off] no amount of nicely asking will make them stop implying its actual koha either, 4 years of code divergence now
19:40 cait1        [off] fauxha?
19:39 rangi        [off] looks like the fauxha people are crystal reports users http://scls.typepad.com/link2koha/2013/06/access-to-the-crystal-reports-dashboard-now-available.html
19:39 rangi        hmm
19:38 rambutan1    locks onto the channel and nick, rather
19:37 rambutan1    yea, daem chat in thunderbird locks on to the chat, even if I don't have chat open there
19:37 rangi        hi cait1 and druthb
19:37 rangi        you have to wait for that to time out
19:37 rangi        rambutan [~Thunderbi@rhclbsc.rhcl.org]
19:37 * druthb     waves to pianohacker and jcamins and rangi
19:36 * jcamins    didn't know that.
19:36 cait1        morning rangi
19:36 wahanui      interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
19:36 jcamins      Interesting.
19:36 jcamins      Oh, that's because kick is for channels.
19:36 pianohacker  oh jeeze
19:36 rangi        kick only kicks you out of the channel, the nick is server wide
19:36 rambutan1    no, and in fact it is registered to somebody else, which is clearly the problem
19:36 pianohacker  rambutan1: Do you have your nick registered? If so, you can tell nickserv to knock rambutan off the server
19:35 jcamins      Apparently that kick wasn't effective enough.
19:35 rambutan1    oh well
19:35 rambutan1    can't
19:35 rambutan1    well, I still can change my nick to rambutan
19:34 wahanui      it has been said that next time is in 87 years or something... ;-)
19:34 jcamins      Next time.
19:34 jcamins      Hm. I should've gone with /kick rambutan Bwahahahaha!
19:31 rambutan1    jcamins: can you kick rambutan plz and tnx
19:31 cait1        :)
19:31 cait1        hi druthb
19:30 druthb       o/
19:28 cait1        hi tcohen :)
19:28 tcohen       hi cait1
19:26 * cait1      waves
19:19 tcohen       its a pity i wasted those valiable minutes!
19:16 jcamins      Not necessarily.
19:16 tcohen       oh, I didn't find it, I thought everything related to validity was inside xt
19:15 jcamins      t/00-valid-xml.t :)
19:15 jcamins      tcohen: we already have a unit test for valid XML.
19:00 rambutan1    no
18:59 tcohen       is it holiday on the US?
17:31 jcamins      Nifty.
17:30 pianohacker  huh, but screen does: http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/manual/html_node/Digraph.html
17:30 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @jsicot: "des gens qui utilisent la fcté "mise à dispo" dans Koha avec notification par mail ? #KohaILS"
17:28 jcamins      Doesn't look like it.
17:28 jcamins      l
17:28 jcamins      I didn't think so, but I guess it's possible.
17:27 pianohacker  no kidding. Does irssi have builtin digraph support, like vim?
17:27 jcamins      Weird, eh?
17:27 jcamins      Yeah, I was on my phone.
17:27 pianohacker  what?
17:27 pianohacker  oh. wait
17:27 jcamins      Yeah, but my phone doesn't have one!
17:26 pianohacker  compose key ftw
17:26 jcamins      And I don't really know how I ended up with Å‚.
17:26 jcamins      pianohacker: right, the reason for that was surely that I hit Å‚ instead of slash when changing windows earlier... right?
17:25 pianohacker  I was talking about jvr, but accidental <Compose>-/-l ?
17:25 jcamins      pianohacker: Apparently if you use a Å‚ instead of a slash, weird things happen.
17:24 pianohacker  ... ?
17:22 * jvr        slaps jvr around a bit with a large fishbot
17:14 jcamins      Å‚win 3
17:09 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10184 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Circulation History reverses sort order
17:09 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10193 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Copies should be holdings as label for items on MARC view
17:09 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , General staff client typo omnibus
17:09 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10284 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Stable , Missing spaces between label and content in XSLT view for 785/780
17:09 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10184 - Circulation History reverses sort order
17:09 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10193 - Copies should be holdings as label for items on MARC view
17:09 jenkins_koha * Connor Fraser: Bug 7368: Correct three typos in history.txt
17:09 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10120 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Fine recalculation on return needs to be a system preference
17:09 jenkins_koha * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10284: Add missing spaces between label and content in XSLT view (780/785)
17:09 jenkins_koha * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10120: DBRev 3.12.00.001
17:09 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 10120: Adding a syspref to control if overdue charges are updated on return
17:09 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #50: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/50/
16:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #50 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:26 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9744 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pelletiermaxime, Pushed to Master , Add a column Fund name on the home page of acquisitions
16:26 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10290 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , UT: VirtualShelves.t needs to create its own data
16:26 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9744 - Add a column Fund name on the home page of acquisitions
16:26 jenkins_koha * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 10290: Followup for Virtualshelves.t
16:26 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10290: UT: VirtualShelves.t needs to create its own data
16:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1214: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1214/
15:59 tcohen       c'mon jenkins_koha, launch that 3.12.x build
15:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #1214 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1210 3 days 23 hr ago)
15:11 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10313 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , selecting an invoice from the historic orders page does not take you to that invoice
15:11 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10310 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Prevent submit form pressing enter should be improved
15:11 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9507 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Some code used to prevent form from being unexpectedly submitted is duplicated
15:11 jenkins_koha * Colin Campbell: Bug 10313 Fix link to invoice from orders
15:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10310: Followup Prevent submitting form with enter does not work with IE
15:11 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10036 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , adding header search to additem page
15:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10310: Prevent submitting form with enter does not work with IE
15:11 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9507: prevent submit: refactor some code in a js file
15:11 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10036 - adding header search to additem page
15:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #49: SUCCESS in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/49/
14:55 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9744 - Add a column Fund name on the home page of acquisitions <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed8e506953b78de0a09b87011709281054641ab0>
14:44 huginn`      New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10290: Followup for Virtualshelves.t <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ef99ace2043d75889830c4c0af8af3e9e36104e> / Bug 10290: UT: VirtualShelves.t needs to create its own data <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=44905ac99cee8ddca6c63752d948a74afae20194>
14:35 Joubu        Joubu: yep :)
14:34 tcohen       jonathan druart around?
14:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #49 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:14 tcohen       bgkriegel++ # you'll see #koha
14:11 huginn`      gmcharlt: Quote #167: "<sekjal> yes, major project. very important" (added by chris_n at 07:58 PM, November 18, 2011)
14:11 gmcharlt     @quote random
14:01 tcohen       (and reports)
14:01 tcohen       to our librarians, and focus on acq
14:01 tcohen       i'll introduce 3.12 next week
14:00 kf           we got 2 out of 11 who do
14:00 tcohen       as we still don't use them
14:00 kf           i know ther are not so many libraries using acq right now
14:00 tcohen       its my weakest bit
14:00 kf           feel free to ask me if you have any more problems :)
14:00 tcohen       i'll study them from now
14:00 kf           oh good
14:00 tcohen       i never used acq before
14:00 tcohen       yes, it worked
14:00 kf           ?
14:00 kf           tcohen: did it work
13:48 kf           for acq that's quite important
13:48 kf           oh yes
13:48 tcohen       oh, I should create a user
13:48 kf           i think it might be consuing budget/fund
13:48 kf           and a fund that is usable by your user?
13:48 tcohen       yes
13:48 kf           did yo define one?
13:48 kf           hm not so far
13:48 tcohen       did u see that?
13:47 tcohen       kf: acq keeps telling me I have to define a budget
13:45 kf           tcohen: hm not sure, i would maybe check git for how it's been done in the past
13:15 tcohen       how should I handle the DB numbering?
13:15 tcohen       gmcharlt. kf: 10120 add a new syspref
13:12 tcohen       besides that, the marc record checker plugin is nice
13:12 tcohen       is it possible to tell marc::lint not to warn about $9 fields?
13:02 tcohen       like "we wan't packages to work on wheeze"
13:02 tcohen       #koha, are there experiences of out-of-schedule releases?
12:58 kf           tcohen: thanks :)
12:54 tcohen       i'll take a look
12:50 kf           but the change itself is pretty clear, just adding an if construct in the right place
12:50 kf           it missed 3.12 because it has a string change (new pref)
12:49 kf           could you consider this for 3.12.x?
12:49 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10120 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Fine recalculation on return needs to be a system preference
12:49 kf           bug 10120
12:49 tcohen       :)
12:49 kf           tcohen: I've got a request :)
12:48 kf           hi tcohen :)
12:47 tcohen       morning #koha
12:26 kf           now the only question that remains is if my comments made any sense:)
12:26 kf           yeah
12:21 jcamins      Figured it out?
12:19 kf           jcamins++
12:11 kf           jcamins: I did
12:08 jcamins      It is somewhere in the vicinity of Union Square, but no matter how many times I go to events there, I forget exactly where.
12:08 jcamins      There is something about Metro that makes it impossible for me to remember where it is.
12:06 nengard      heh
12:06 kf           ew :)
12:06 jcamins      Right, you have to click that link and add content.
12:05 kf           nly adds red links
12:05 kf           hm that doesn't look right
12:04 jcamins      Double brackets: [[User:kf|Katrin Fischer]]
12:04 * kf         gives up
12:03 kf           hm [] didn't work
12:03 jcamins      kf: if you mean on the wiki, you put it in square brackets, I think.
12:00 kf           hm no magnuse
11:59 kf           or how do i create a link to my user?
11:56 kf           khall: done - look for KF :)
11:56 nengard      thanks
11:56 nengard      good stuff
11:55 jcamins      nengard: that looks okay to me.
11:55 jcamins      [off] https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/485610_10100171809629169_1509993331_n.jpg
11:54 nengard      updated: http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=kohadocs.git;a=commit;h=ceca7766b638435aeba4cd87a4349d1d10addfc7
11:54 kf           spoiling myshkin's fun again?
11:54 kf           heh
11:50 * jcamins    unplugs his mouse to protect his computer from excessive cat clicking.
11:50 jcamins      And I always encourage people to use packages, but if you're using packages  you're a lot less likely to have gotten your system into that situation.
11:50 nengard      thanks!!
11:49 nengard      see .. that's why I asked :)
11:49 jcamins      Right.
11:49 nengard      so it's only specific for pacakge sites
11:49 jcamins      What I'd say is add the suggested changes under the heading "If you are using packages, run..."
11:48 jcamins      nengard: re: your e-mail: I'm not comfortable with that change.
11:47 khall        kf: that's fine. thanks!
11:47 dcook        Bonne nuit, tout le monde. I'll be back in...11.25 hours
11:47 kf           khall: i will put it under the headings if that's ok
11:47 kf           good night dcook
11:47 dcook        On that note, I think it's time for bed
11:46 nengard      hehe
11:46 dcook        I forget sometimes that #koha has a whole 'nother life at a different time of day
11:46 dcook        hey ya nengard
11:44 nengard      and all
11:44 nengard      hi dcook
11:34 khall        that way we can keep everything centralized
11:34 khall        df: yeah, just mark up whatever you want, or just add the comments to the top or bottom of the page.
11:33 kf           khall: do you just want to note on the wiki page itself?
11:33 jcamins      kf: ^^ that was for you
11:33 jcamins      khall: yeah, I think so.
11:33 kf           it might be worth checking what information we need to keep to abide by laws and the like
11:33 khall        I believe we have a CPA on staff, so I can ask her!
11:33 kf           iirc
11:33 kf           i think that was what they did for koha 1.0
11:32 khall        jcamins: that's a good idea.
11:32 khall        all the new tables have primary keys. Fees in one table, payments in one table, a fee_payments join table, and an account offsets table
11:32 jcamins      khall: The one concern I have is that the structure follow generally-acceptable accounting practices. Have you run this by a CPA? (and preferably their equivalent in a Civl Law country as well?) Because that seems like it would be really important.
11:31 kf           and i have ot use evil javascript to make it a little better
11:31 kf           and the user sees it in the opac
11:31 khall        kf: I completely agree
11:31 kf           because it's not translatable
11:31 kf           we actually write payment thanks there... for example. which is horrible
11:31 kf           not only for selecting fines, but also for storing information for display there
11:30 kf           khall: one big request i have is to stop the misuse of the description column
11:30 khall        kf: done
11:28 khall        yeah, one moment
11:27 kf           I don't want to interfere
11:27 kf           tell me when you updated the wiki page?
11:27 kf           that's ok
11:27 kf           :)
11:27 khall        kf, that is. It's too early to be typing
11:27 dcook        \o/
11:27 khall        df: you can just put them on the wiki with your nick appended.
11:26 khall        One thing I promise is the rewrite will be rock solid with a full suite of unit tests.
11:26 kf           where to best leave my notes?
11:26 kf           khall: cool
11:26 khall        I'll go ahead and fix it now
11:26 kf           so I can draw on it
11:26 kf           looking at the printout right now :)
11:25 kf           i did
11:25 khall        kf: did you find the rfc? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Accounting_system_rewrite
11:25 jcamins      Right. It looked fine to me.
11:24 kf           sorry, i must have missed it
11:24 jcamins      Ah.
11:24 kf           ah
11:24 * dcook      waves to nengard
11:24 khall        I sent a mail about it to the dev list. I don't think I received either any replies to the email, or any edits to the RFC
11:24 kf           i missed it totally until running into the bug - that's why I wondered if maybe a mail to the mailing list would help
11:23 kf           khall: probably not a lot of people saw it :)
11:23 khall        the accounts/fines rewrite
11:23 jcamins      I'm not even sure what RFC you're talking about?
11:23 khall        kf that is ^
11:23 khall        df: comment 32 pretty much sums it up. I received 0 comments from the RFC writeup.
11:20 kf           9129
11:20 kf           0129
11:20 kf           i am not good with numbers
11:20 kf           it was... the maxfine thing
11:20 kf           hmm
11:20 khall        do you remember the bug number off hand?
11:19 kf           and i left you a note on the bug - asking if maybe you could send a link to an updated page to the mailing list?
11:19 khall        sure!
11:19 kf           and wondering at a couple of things :)
11:19 kf           just looking at your rfc
11:19 khall        what's up?
11:19 khall        heh, very lucky timing!
11:18 kf           good morning
11:18 kf           magic :)
11:18 kf           aah
11:18 khall        good morning!
11:18 kf           khall: around?
11:14 dcook        Anyway, night, wizzyrea :)
11:13 dcook        There's more than one?
11:13 dcook        Small people?
11:12 wizzyrea     like a person with small people
11:12 wizzyrea     pft
11:12 wizzyrea     I know you can do it!
11:12 dcook        Like a reasonable person ;)
11:11 wizzyrea     7 or so hours :P
11:11 wizzyrea     from now until...... later
11:11 dcook        Sure
11:11 wizzyrea     dcook - pm me the name of the thinger you're lookin at eh?
11:11 dcook        Well, I can't promise because I don't know how long you'll be sleeping :p
11:11 wizzyrea     don't kill koha-community.org while I'm sleeping.
11:11 dcook        :S
11:11 dcook        I said that I wanted to learn the basics...
11:10 wizzyrea     oh dear.
11:10 wizzyrea     ok to bed with me
11:10 dcook        I'm sure it'll be useful once we get past the difference between strings and numbers...
11:10 wizzyrea     for some value of productive
11:10 wizzyrea     that probably qualifies as productive
11:10 dcook        Partner has a friend over, so I'm minding my business in the study. Watching programming videos rather than doing anything productive...
11:09 dcook        Only 9:09
11:09 kf           ^^
11:09 jcamins      Isn't it kind of late for you?
11:09 jcamins      Neither do I.
11:09 jcamins      Hehe.
11:09 dcook        Go to bed late and get up early? I don't know how you and kf do it.
11:08 dcook        O_O
11:08 dcook        I think that's usually when I'm looking at my emails on my phone in bed and dreading the trip from the bedroom to the shower.
11:08 jcamins      I guess you weren't around any of the days I was around at 5am.
11:08 jcamins      Heh.
11:07 dcook        Technically :p.
11:07 jcamins      That's morning.
11:07 jcamins      Ah, good.
11:07 dcook        jcamins: That sounds right to me
11:07 jcamins      Is the clock wrong?
11:07 jcamins      I think.
11:07 jcamins      dcook: it's 7am?
11:05 dcook        Was it the mention of pumpkin risotto?
11:05 dcook        jcamins: Why are you awake?
11:05 dcook        Sweet :D
11:05 wizzyrea     I can see that it's serving pages lickety split
11:05 dcook        I still don't know if I can type out that handle :p
11:04 kf           papa++
11:04 dcook        kf: Took me a while to figure that out as well
11:04 dcook        wizzyrea: I also have a super slow internet connection at home :)
11:04 kf           :)
11:04 kf           i have been wondering about that for a while
11:04 kf           oh!
11:04 wizzyrea     srdjan
11:04 kf           hm who is papa? :)
11:04 wizzyrea     caching++
11:04 wizzyrea     that's looking nice and fast actually
11:03 wizzyrea     papa++ because... it's papa.
11:03 jcamins      papa++
11:03 kf           wizzyrea++ btw
11:03 wizzyrea     linode
11:03 dcook        Where is it hosted?
11:02 dcook        I just accidentally closed Chromium as well, so everything I was doing was closed anyway..
11:02 wizzyrea     hehe - LOL
11:02 kf           we will try
11:02 * dcook      does all the clicks
11:02 kf           well we canclick fast tho
11:02 wizzyrea     now don't go killing it while I'm sleeping
11:02 dcook        Probably :p
11:01 wizzyrea     and not overwhelmed, though probably only two of you at once :P
11:01 kf           looks quite good to me
11:01 kf           :)
11:01 wizzyrea     i like fast!
11:01 wizzyrea     woot!
11:01 kf           like really fast even
11:01 kf           wizzyrea: fast for me! :)
11:00 wizzyrea     (what's the address)
11:00 wizzyrea     ping it please?
11:00 dcook        Maybe faster
11:00 dcook        Mmm 5-6 seconds to load?
11:00 * wizzyrea   likes how this is looking
10:59 wizzyrea     (then tell me if it's fast or slow)
10:59 wizzyrea     everybody hit koha-community.org at once... go!
10:48 dcook        I suppose I'm not entirely sold on the online classes yet though. I haven't found myself very motivated to do these courses, when I could just start experimenting with the technologies...
10:47 dcook        Exactly :)
10:47 kf           instead of only learning by trial and error :)
10:46 kf           that's why I do the distance study... trying to get some basics
10:46 kf           :)
10:45 dcook        While I can patch Koha just fine and do a reasonably good job with my own programs, I figure it wouldn't hurt to learn the basics, since I sort of just jumped into programming...
10:45 dcook        This systematic program design one from UBC (the last uni I went to) on Coursera.
10:44 kf           what kind of MOOC are you trying out? :)
10:41 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS  Newsletter communautaire de Koha de mai 2013 http://t.co/CsPyydGUEN"
10:40 dcook        I'm trying out these MOOC things, so I figured I could use some extra happy...
10:40 dcook        Chocolate definitely helps with the happy
10:40 dcook        I think I did get extra kisses because of the chocolate *nod* *nod*
10:39 wizzyrea     and I'm sure it doesn't hurt your animal magnetism either.
10:39 dcook        I read that as magnetism for a moment ;)
10:39 wizzyrea     and makes you feel happy.
10:39 wizzyrea     no shame in chocolate, it gives you necessary magnesium :P
10:39 wizzyrea     nomnomnomnomnom
10:39 dcook        I grabbed a couple bars on the way home from work...*shameface*
10:39 kf           yum
10:38 dcook        It has whole hazelnuts in it :D
10:38 * kf         offerst to take the chocolate off of your hands...
10:37 dcook        Now all I need is a new monitor and either to move my tower or get longer headphones...\
10:37 dcook        Thanks :). I was munching on chocolate but this is...yummm
10:36 kf           enjoy :)
10:36 kf           aah
10:35 dcook        My partner just brought some to me :)
10:34 kf           what brought that up?
10:33 dcook        Mmm, pumpkin risotto...
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10:18 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9761 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Passed QA , Make it possible to confirm future hold requests at checkin time
10:18 marcelr      rangi++ for bug 9761
09:49 vfernandes   I'm pretty sure it is a configuration issue but let's see :P
09:44 kf           i know nothing about ldap - but hoping you can figure out what's going on :)
09:42 vfernandes   but I've tested without anonymous search and everything worked fine
09:41 vfernandes   ldap can be configured to authorize or not the anonymous bind and search
09:38 kf           somoen commented it might be an ldap configuration thing
09:37 vfernandes   yes... i've tested with the two forms (anonymous bind and default bind) and everything worked
09:36 gerundio     I've already asked for feedback on something, but still waiting for an answer
09:35 huginn`      04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7973 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, Allow for new type of LDAP authentication
09:35 gerundio     did you see someone commented on bug 7973 saying it doesn't work in some cases?
09:35 gerundio     well thanks, you?
09:34 vfernandes   how are you gerundio?
09:33 gerundio     hey vfernandes :)
09:28 vfernandes   hi :)
09:23 Buddhist     saves typos.
09:22 Buddhist     then.... I can use for instance the ccodes .. where they can 'choose from a list' 417 Ajahn Chah
09:22 francharb    hi dcook
09:22 Buddhist     I don't want them to type 417 Ajahn Chah .....
09:22 Buddhist     the thing about 952 o or p is that it is free input, so i prefer it to be short, like 3 decimal,417.
09:21 Buddhist     hm..
09:21 kf           but the search options for collection codes are a bit nicer
09:21 kf           Buddhist: I was wondering if that info shoudl go rather into the field for itemcallnumber - I think o or p
09:21 Buddhist     ??
09:21 Buddhist     ..more confused....
09:20 wahanui      problem is, like, it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes
09:20 Buddhist     what problem?
09:20 Buddhist     ...?
09:20 * dcook      waves to francharb
09:20 Buddhist     basically we need to direct the patrons to the 'right shelf'..
09:20 dcook        From the sound of it, you're going to still have the same problem with "417" as you will with "417 Ajahn Chah"
09:19 Buddhist     so our 'call' number is not unique (small library)
09:19 Buddhist     all the books here are stickerd on their spine with the 'shelf location number', 417 for instance.
09:19 Buddhist     well..they don't do that here...
09:19 kf           individual call numbers separate from the classification
09:19 Buddhist     ..?
09:18 kf           hm Buddhist - didn't ask you if you also have callnumbers for your items
09:18 Buddhist     before yo uarrived, i was suggested using for instance authorised values...I might use ccodes
09:17 Buddhist     the second 'challenge' was to understand how to be able to setup our selfmade classification scheme into koha.
09:17 Buddhist     first of all i need the 'correct' call number....therefore in each marc record the librarian has tuck it away in 942. so I just need to copy it out.
09:17 dcook        But, in terms of your immediate goals, maybe try Marcedit. I've used it before for wrangling non-standard data, and it works pretty well.
09:16 Buddhist     ah...
09:16 Buddhist     ...
09:16 dcook        Human error is no fun, but I'm not sure that I understand what you're trying to do classification-wise overall.
09:15 dcook        Mmm, sort of.
09:15 Buddhist     (does that make sense?)
09:15 Buddhist     *sigh*
09:15 Buddhist     (BECAUSE there are 'also' typos.... in many many many records...
09:14 Buddhist     so I want to copy this field 942a to 952o, but inly the decimal, not texts
09:14 Buddhist     so... our call number is actually 417.
09:13 Buddhist     But never added a 'call number'
09:13 Buddhist     the librarian here has imported marcdata in the koha system using for instance z39.50. And added this classification scheme of ours (not standard). So for instance in 942a "417 Ajahn Chah".
09:12 Buddhist     well....'sigh'....
09:12 dcook        Just out of curiosity, why are you wanting to do this?
09:12 dcook        Hmm, marcedit/writing a script is probably your best bet
09:11 Buddhist     (I have few thousand records)
09:11 Buddhist     I just wondered how to 'delete' partial data
09:10 Buddhist     but I don't want the text bit, "Ajahn Chah", I want only 417
09:10 Buddhist     i have a subfield in our marcdata that says for instance "417 Ajahn Chah".
09:10 dcook        hi...
09:10 Buddhist     hello...dcook
09:08 dcook        What are you trying to do, Buddhist?
09:08 * dcook      is intrigued
09:08 Buddhist     good point! I shall look foir a marcedit mailing list....
09:08 Buddhist     I am skilled in excel..so I might do some exporting importing thing....
09:08 kf           not sure if there is a marcedit mailing list?
09:08 kf           but there might also be a way in marcedit - i just don't know it
09:08 kf           I think some people would say you could write a script to do that
09:07 kf           ah
09:07 Buddhist     was just playing with the whois/query and.....trout slapping...
09:07 kf           hm h
09:07 Buddhist     I figured... :)
09:06 * kf         is German
09:06 Buddhist     haha... ik ben een nederlander
09:06 kf           ah, was wondering about the German :)
09:06 Buddhist     near Hemel Hempstead (UK)
09:06 kf           Buddhist: where are you located btw?
09:04 Buddhist     anyone that knows how to copy partial fieldata form one subfield to another in a marc-record? (or delete parts of subfield with multiple records....)
09:03 Buddhist     ok.....
09:02 kf           not sure how you can do that with marcedit - sorry
09:02 kf           Buddhist: I am at work - so sometimes i have to pay attention to other things ;)
09:02 Buddhist     tut mir leid!
09:02 Buddhist     haha
09:02 Buddhist     didn't know how to get some attention.
09:02 wizzyrea     hm yea we don't do much trout slapping round here
09:02 Buddhist     sorry about that.
09:02 Buddhist     haha
09:02 kf           guess i missed the joke?
09:01 kf           huh?
09:01 * Buddhist   slaps kf around a bit with a large fishbot
08:59 Buddhist     .........
08:57 Buddhist     one more question: I am using marcedit to correct the item fields 952. However, I need to copy from another field some data, let's say "942a 417 Ajahn Chah" to a 952c, but I only want 417, not the text. Is there a clever way?
08:54 Buddhist     thank you kf, got it, just watch a youtube explanations by bywaters..they are pretty helpful with those vids!
08:47 Buddhist     ah.. batch item edit...let's see
08:47 Buddhist     I will use 3 numerical numbers as code... thanks for the tip
08:46 Buddhist     in the past (we are migrating now) they have used 942 to input this classification (e.g. =942  \\$k190-195 Islam$a190 Islam).
08:46 kf           if you can get a list of the barcodes/items you can do it that way
08:45 kf           there is a batch item edit feature
08:45 kf           to get the search results you want later on - no hyphens - or spaces, best only use short codes made of numbers/letters
08:45 Buddhist     also a quick way of adding the 'right' ccode to the right biblio? or do I really need to do this 1 by 1
08:45 kf           you should make sure you use good codes
08:45 kf           if you are using ccodes or authorized values in general
08:44 kf           in general youshouldn't do that to Koha.. but for that table it should be pretty save to do
08:44 kf           i have done it in the past when I had a long list
08:44 kf           authori[z|s]ed_values or similar
08:43 Buddhist     so need to peek in SQL...hm...
08:43 kf           if you are good with sql you could add them to the right table
08:42 Buddhist     is there also a way to input those ccodes all at once instead of using the web application (adding one by one)
08:42 Buddhist     yes.. that would do!
08:41 kf           search links... not perfect, but maybe might serve your purpose?
08:41 kf           with links that look for more than one code
08:41 kf           i think you can also construct a html page
08:41 Buddhist     advanced search
08:41 Buddhist     ah....
08:41 kf           so the user could check one or more to search for at once
08:40 kf           like the itemtypes - with checkboxes
08:40 kf           Buddhist: you can make collections searchable in advanced search
08:40 Buddhist     It more about showing the user 'relevant' sections of the library
08:40 kf           welcome back kenza :)
08:39 kf           Buddhist: hm not sure I understand what you want to do
08:37 Buddhist     BTW: I am very happy with the shelf browser... that is really cool
08:37 Buddhist     ok! and is it possible for koha to aggregrate multiple ccodes into one 'bigger' section? let's say ccode 253 Buddhist in country A until ccode 259 Buddhist in Country Z, aggregrate them into 253-259 Buddhist in specific country
08:36 Buddhist     hm....
08:35 kf           i think without programming the browse feature won't be useful - it's been not in use for a while I think and never left experimental status
08:35 kf           they get used for all kinds fo things :) classification would probably be a good one
08:34 kf           you could
08:34 Buddhist     since I don't make use of ccodes, is it wise to use the ccode for this purpose?
08:34 kf           there was a start made here I think: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Opac_browse_feature
08:33 Buddhist     before i do that, I wanted to check with you that there is no option in koha made for this purpose (anymore?)
08:32 kf           you could define a new authorized value and link it to the item field you use
08:32 Buddhist     both please! :)
08:32 kf           or do you just want to make it easier to type them in?
08:32 kf           some kind of hierarchical browsing the classification?
08:32 Buddhist     I wondered whether that can be avoided (using ccodes or loc?)
08:32 kf           Buddhist: hmm there was once a feature that might do what you want
08:31 Buddhist     The solution at this moment is to 'key in' in every item this 253 - Buddhist in China... sounds like a tedious job.
08:31 Buddhist     (we use a 'self-made' classification: example 253 - Buddhist in China 254 Buddhist in Japan... is that possbile to be reflected in koha?
08:30 slef         Buddhist: what sort of classification overview?
08:30 Buddhist     The thing is, I got some question marks about marc-data, I have adapted the 952 fields and it shows up correctly (after import), but I can't figure out whether KOha allows me to input a classification overview.
08:28 Buddhist     hello!
08:28 slef         hi kenza
08:28 slef         Buddhist: it's one possibility. Others are listed on the website.
08:28 kf           hi Buddhist
08:28 kf           yes it is
08:27 Buddhist     hello! Is this the place to discuss things on using Koha?
08:10 marcelr      welcome kenza
08:09 wizzyrea     we will try to make it fun ^.^
08:09 wizzyrea     :)
08:09 wizzyrea     Hi kenza :
08:07 kf           hope you have a good time working on koha :)
08:07 kf           hi kenza
08:07 drojf        hi kenza! welcome to #koha
08:06 paul_p       say hello to kenza, our student starting this morning his 3 months time with BibLibre, to work on Koha
07:37 kf           #fixing all the bugs
07:37 kf           oleonard++
07:29 kf           oh no germs today?
07:29 dcook        night #koha
07:29 * dcook      waves to christophe_c
07:24 christophe_c hello #koha
07:21 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @kohails: "#KohaILS  May 2013 Koha Bugzilla statistics http://t.co/o2AawMBksI"
07:15 marcelr      hi gaetan_B
07:15 gaetan_B     hello
07:14 marcelr      rangi++
07:08 matts        hi !
07:08 reiveune     hi rangi
07:07 rangi        hi reiveune and matts
07:07 rangi        marcelr: rolled it over
07:05 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @paul_poulain: "@kenanscott24 Hi Kenan, nice news about #KohaILS PS : Note our hashtag: #KohaILS, #Koha used by some others (iirc, hockey team)"
07:05 tweetbot     [off] twitter: @ranginui: "May 2013 Koha Bugzilla statistics #KohaILS http://t.co/CGcvmhZx0N"
07:01 asaurat      hi!
06:58 reiveune     hello
06:51 rangi        http://bugs.koha-community.org/BAM/index.php?s=Koha&p=Koha&c=
06:51 rangi        also
06:51 rangi        its all counting anyway in the background :)
06:50 rangi        ill roll it over as soon as i do that (tonight once the kids are asleep)
06:50 rangi        nope ive left it in may because i havent done my may statistics blogpost yet
06:45 marcelr      should send a patch for that ;)
06:45 marcelr      rangi: dashboard is still in may :)
06:45 marcelr      srdjan++ for signing off
06:42 rangi        that qa plugin thread makes me want to not read koha mail
06:37 cait         bbl
06:34 cait         and still about 250 bug mails to read... ew.
06:33 marcelr      hi cait
06:33 * cait       just worked thorugh the qa plugin thread
06:32 cait         hi marcelr
06:31 marcelr      morning #koha
06:09 * cjh        was eating dinner
06:09 cjh          cait: cake sounds delightful :)
06:05 drojf        :)
06:05 drojf        YES!
06:04 cait         drojf: cake for breakfast? :)
06:02 drojf        cake for me please
05:59 dcook        Mmm cake
05:58 cait         ok... no cake?
05:54 cait         with birthday cake? :)
05:51 * dcook      concurs
05:51 * cjh        wouldnt mind celebrating them all
05:51 dcook        But we each only celebrate for one queen
05:51 cjh          dcook: well there were a lot of queens...
05:51 drojf        lol
05:50 dcook        It was late May in Canada
05:50 dcook        It's the queen's birthday in Australia on June 10th
05:50 * dcook      loves how the queen has a million birthdays
05:50 * cjh        wanders off to eat dinner
05:50 cait         oh
05:50 cjh          yes, queens birthday :)
05:49 * dcook      really expected wahanui to weigh in on that one
05:49 dcook        holiday?
05:49 cait         so today was a holiday in nz?
05:49 cjh          damnit.
05:49 cait         ;)
05:49 * cait       nods
05:49 dcook        I think Chris makes a 3 for not morning :p
05:49 drojf        lol
05:49 wahanui      i heard by default was off
05:49 drojf        by default
05:48 drojf        that means we win
05:48 dcook        Well, 2 for morning and 2 for not morning
05:48 dcook        I think it was 2-2
05:48 dcook        What?
05:47 cait         cjh: too late sorry, we already had the votes and morning won
05:47 drojf        cjh: so late that it is already morning :P
05:46 * cjh        is a bit late to the party
05:46 cjh          cait: it is very clearly night, haven't you looked outside? :p
05:45 cait         drojf: and the parking lot and lower apartments of one of my friends has been flooded a bit over the weekend - was ok when she got home yesterday
05:45 cait         drojf: it's not bad, but there has been some on the news
05:45 dcook        But...blankets
05:45 dcook        Mind you, it might be colder at home...
05:44 cait         me too
05:44 dcook        I like this idea, drojf
05:41 drojf        i'm close to declaring this 'work from bed week'. not sure what my bosses think about that though.
05:35 huginn`      drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 11.8°C (7:12 AM CEST on June 03, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
05:35 dcook        Nice enough outside, but my fingers are turning into icy poles...
05:35 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
05:35 wizzyrea     38% humidity, puh.
05:35 huginn`      dcook: The current temperature in Sydney Airport, New South Wales is 17.0°C (3:00 PM EST on June 03, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
05:35 dcook        @wunder sydney, australia
05:35 wizzyrea     but it's grey and sprinkly.
05:34 wizzyrea     oh well temp it's alright
05:34 huginn`      wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on June 03, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
05:34 wizzyrea     @wunder nzwn
05:34 wizzyrea     oy t was cloudy and nastyish here
05:32 drojf        cait: is there flood in your area?
05:31 drojf        meh. it's grey, as it has been for weeks
05:31 cait         after like 72 hours of rain during the weekend...
05:30 drojf        haven't opened my curtains yet ^^
05:30 cait         no rain!
05:30 dcook        Nice blue skies and a setting sun
05:29 drojf        hi dcook ;)
05:29 dcook        afternoon, drojf ;)
05:29 dcook        mmm popcorn..
05:28 drojf        it's definitely morning. and an early one too ;)
05:28 cait         we are having an argument about the time of the day - are you backing me up it's morning? ;)
05:27 cait         hi drojf
05:27 drojf        good morning #koha
05:24 wizzyrea     to be fair, it's dark here :P
05:24 wahanui      http://i.imgur.com/p3cHE.gif
05:24 wizzyrea     get the popcorn
05:22 dcook        Just stating my point of view ;)
05:21 cait         do you want to argue? :)
05:20 dcook        afternoon, cait :)
05:20 cait         a
05:20 cait         good morning #koh
04:54 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 03:28 PM, June 18, 2009)
04:54 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:24 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #169: "<wizzyrea> sometimes the answer is just the answer... even if you don't like it ;)" (added by chris_n at 07:22 PM, December 06, 2011)
04:24 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:24 * wizzyrea   nods
04:24 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #247: "<eythian> Only cockroaches and Search.pm will survive the nuclear apocalypse." (added by wizzyrea at 11:54 PM, May 08, 2013)
04:24 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:24 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #200: "chris_n: usually the problem is either too much time and not enough cookies or not enough time and too many cookies" (added by wizzyrea at 03:24 PM, April 12, 2012)
04:24 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:24 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #132: "<oleonard> nengard: It depends what time zone Jesus uses I think" (added by druthb at 02:07 PM, May 20, 2011)
04:24 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:24 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #69: "<schuster> Now if I could only figure out how to control those daemons... or at least the ones in my head..." (added by jwagner at 02:02 PM, March 17, 2010)
04:24 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:24 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #44: "<thd> People make bugs fairly much in the degree to which they contribute to the code" (added by gmcharlt at 08:07 PM, October 30, 2009)
04:23 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:23 wizzyrea     hehehehehe
04:23 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #142: "Pianohacker: hrm. What's the plural of ILS again? Rangi: ILSESESESESESES" (added by wizzyrea at 08:54 PM, June 08, 2011)
04:23 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:23 wizzyrea     that's cute
04:23 wizzyrea     before he was libsysguy
04:23 cjh          howdy :)
04:23 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #144: "library_systems_guy: (xslt) looks like html and lisp had an ugly baby." (added by wizzyrea at 08:48 PM, June 30, 2011)
04:23 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:22 wizzyrea     HEE
04:22 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #159: "slef: WELCOME TO HOOGERLAND. POPULATION: HEROES" (added by wizzyrea at 05:00 PM, September 23, 2011)
04:22 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:22 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #58: "<jdavidb> I prefer killing bugs, not kitties." (added by gmcharlt at 04:38 PM, February 17, 2010)
04:22 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:22 wizzyrea     lol
04:22 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #177: "oleonard: If Buck Rogers used IRC he'd put bip on Twiki and tell Twiki to never sleep." (added by wizzyrea at 04:43 PM, January 10, 2012)
04:22 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:22 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #96: "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know it's not really Koha." (added by wasabi at 05:56 AM, October 08, 2010)
04:22 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:22 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #55: "<jdavidb> Harrrrumph!" (added by gmcharlt at 12:38 PM, February 11, 2010)
04:22 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:21 wizzyrea     oh hey :)
04:21 cjh          ahhhh
04:21 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #103: "<cait>: Nobody can find you hiding in Search.pm ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 09:18 PM, November 13, 2010)
04:21 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:21 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #56: "* jdavidb makes sure no kitty carcasses are among the dead bugs." (added by gmcharlt at 01:34 PM, February 11, 2010)
04:21 wizzyrea     @quote random
04:21 huginn`      wizzyrea: Quote #52: "<wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers" (added by gmcharlt at 08:50 PM, January 28, 2010)
04:21 wizzyrea     @quote random
03:00 wizzyrea     ewps
03:00 jcamins      And a couple where I had the syntax wrong so the tag has a commit hash as a name.
03:00 wizzyrea     koha-notspecialanymore :( :(
03:00 jcamins      Though I do have a couple "notspecialanymore"
03:00 jcamins      No, actually.
03:00 jcamins      wizzyrea: hehe.
02:53 wizzyrea     lots of branches with swear words.
02:53 wizzyrea     because if my repo was public, that's what you'd see :P
02:53 wizzyrea     lots with swear words?
02:46 jcamins      Wow. I have some weird tag names.
02:41 jcamins      I guess if I've already muddled things, I might as well just push all the tags, too.
02:41 jcamins      So much for keeping it neat and tidy...
02:41 jcamins      I should pushed several hundred unnecessary branches to my github.
02:40 jcamins      Well, drat.
02:39 jcamins      I threw salt over my shoulder, so I should be safe.
02:39 jcamins      gmcharlt: lol
02:31 gmcharlt     jcamins: that's a powerful invocation of Murphy you started, just now ;)
02:27 jcamins      Not that I would, but talk about pleasantly painless. :D
02:27 jcamins      I could probably run an upgrade at 11am on a Thursday (busiest time for the maximum number of libraries), and no one would notice.
02:24 jcamins      packages++ # easiest upgrade ever, seriously.
00:25 gmcharlt     :)
00:17 wizzyrea     on.
00:17 wizzyrea     I could go one.
00:17 wizzyrea     or the adipose one... shudder
00:17 wizzyrea     Or Donna with the bug on her back.
00:17 wizzyrea     or Rose Tyler standing in the middle of the road with a gigantic gun. That was memorable.
00:15 gmcharlt     *nod*
00:14 wizzyrea     that was memorable.
00:14 wizzyrea     it's not like amy pond running about with hash marks all over herself from counting silences
00:13 wizzyrea     I don't even remember most of the first half, how sad is that.
00:13 wizzyrea     and the one with the pseudo ghost
00:13 wizzyrea     the akhaten one was alright
00:12 wizzyrea     I thought this last half of this season was really quite weak
00:12 wizzyrea     *nod*
00:10 gmcharlt     or rather, I'd be perfectly happen if he went back to just writing a couple cool episodes each series
00:09 * gmcharlt   can just leave Moffatt
00:08 wizzyrea     oh man, idk. I could take or leave moffitt tbh
00:08 wizzyrea     i wasn't SO keen on matt smith
00:07 gmcharlt     who should be the next showrunner?
00:07 gmcharlt     now for a loaded question
00:07 wizzyrea     oh true.
00:07 gmcharlt     which if they show that, may also answer things like my question about Susan
00:07 wizzyrea     to me anyway
00:07 wizzyrea     *nod* that would be weird.
00:07 gmcharlt     I've been reading some speculation that John Hurt will be playing the regeneration of the Doctor active during the Time War
00:06 wizzyrea     we've got half timelords all over the place.
00:06 wizzyrea     goooood question.
00:06 gmcharlt     (and speaking of relatives, whatever happened to Susan?)
00:06 gmcharlt     indeed
00:06 wizzyrea     :P
00:05 wizzyrea     or, we bring back the doctor's daughter
00:05 wizzyrea     oh I LOVE THAT too
00:05 * gmcharlt   has the wild idea of ... Catherine Tate
00:05 gmcharlt     :)
00:05 wizzyrea     your stunned silence either means I'm out of my mind or brilliant.
00:04 wizzyrea     but they'll getsomeone less known and hipper.
00:03 * wizzyrea   votes for Richard Ayoade