IRC log for #koha, 2013-05-20

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00:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1182: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1182/
00:00 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Update release notes for final 3.12.00 release
00:00 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Increment version for 3.12.0 release
00:01 wizzyrea \o/
00:01 jcamins ... seriously?
00:01 jcamins I HATE YOU, JENKINS!!!!!
00:01 * wizzyrea institutes duck and cover
00:02 dcook @wunder new york city
00:02 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Murray Hill, New York, New York is 14.2°C (8:02 PM EDT on May 19, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
00:02 rangi hehe
00:02 rangi its just the db version
00:02 rangi ill fix
00:02 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn
00:02 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (11:00 AM NZST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
00:02 wizzyrea oo, not bad
00:02 tcohen r u sure jcamins? i can leave it to you a few days :-P
00:03 rangi !jenkins build koha_master now
00:03 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now
00:05 jcamins rangi: I know. Still, what an annoying message to get five minutes later.
00:05 jcamins tcohen: yeah, I'm sure.
00:05 jcamins Thanks for the offer, though. :P
00:05 rangi yep
00:07 jcamins I would like something frameable signed by as many of the developers who contributed to Koha 3.12 as possible.
00:07 wizzyrea hm.
00:09 rangi my library cards wall?
00:09 rangi i could take a photo
00:09 rangi put it A3 size with the koha logo in it
00:09 rangi and bring it to kohacon
00:09 jcamins rangi: that'd be perfect!
00:09 rangi then we could get ppl to sing it
00:09 rangi sign too
00:09 jcamins lol
00:09 * wizzyrea will sing at it
00:09 jcamins That'd be an interesting song.
00:09 * cjh isnt very good at singing
00:10 rangi heh
00:10 rangi there is an open source library systems song
00:10 wizzyrea ...
00:10 wizzyrea srs?
00:10 wahanui srs are not a good registrar :)
00:10 rangi yeah
00:10 wizzyrea forget srs
00:10 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot srs
00:10 wizzyrea link or it didn't happen
00:10 wizzyrea :P
00:11 rangi
00:11 rangi librarians
00:11 wahanui librarians are crazy
00:11 rangi you called it buddy
00:11 cjh hahaha that is awesome!
00:12 cjh wahanui: librarian song is
00:12 wahanui OK, cjh.
00:12 rangi i bet sirsi dont have a song
00:13 rangi it was part of the library tour thingy
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00:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1183 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1181 7 hr 0 min ago)
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00:29 wizzyrea ohhh yeahhh
00:34 ibeardslee .. pity about the paper size though ;)
00:44 ibeardslee .. which is not to detract from a nicely formatted set of release notes.
00:45 * ibeardslee goes to sit in the corner and tries to stop being picky.
00:45 wizzyrea bad beardslee, bad.
00:46 jcamins ibeardslee: I thought about doing an A4 version.
00:46 jcamins They I decided I didn't care.
00:48 jcamins I use wide margins so it should print just fine.
00:49 jcamins And if not...
00:49 jcamins deal.
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01:05 * jcamins capers about merrily.
01:08 dcook Someone's happy ;)
01:09 jcamins dcook: oh yes.
01:09 dcook Aww, just read the dedication :)
01:10 dcook I'm sure Shari will be happy to get you back as well :D
01:10 jcamins Oh yes.
01:10 jcamins Very pleased indeed.
01:11 jcamins I called her to let her know I'd done the release and was free.
01:12 dcook \o/
01:20 jcamins eythian: I tagged 3.12.0, BTW, so you can package at your leisure. :)
01:26 BobB_ congratulations jcamins - very nice release notes too.
01:27 jcamins BobB_: thanks.
01:27 BobB_ great job
01:30 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
01:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1183: FIXED in 1 hr 26 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1183/
01:44 jcamins 436? I thought I updated it.
01:44 jcamins Oh well.
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02:10 rangi[…]n-co-the-tham-gia
02:10 rangi how fast!
02:11 rangi ah no, thats the beta :)
02:11 rangi still cool tho
02:11 jcamins Yup.
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03:47 * jcamins finishes his tidying frenzy and heads to bed.
03:47 jcamins Good night, #koha.
03:47 jcamins Enjoy the slog to 3.14.
03:47 dcook Night, jcamins
03:47 dcook Well done, again!
03:48 jcamins Thanks. :)
03:49 wizzyrea slog.
03:49 jcamins Blearily.
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05:43 cjh come on 3.14.15 !
05:50 dcook hehe
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06:47 magnuse woohoo!
06:47 magnuse jcamins++
06:48 magnuse @confetti
06:48 huginn magnuse: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
06:48 magnuse confetti
06:48 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
06:48 magnuse more confetti
06:48 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'​`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
06:48 cait jcamins++
06:49 cait confetti... :)
06:49 magnuse and hiya cait
06:49 cait hi magnuse
06:49 * magnuse feels like sending shari something nice
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06:52 magnuse shame on me for having more patches than signoffs in 3.12
06:52 cait tsk
06:52 cait ;)
06:52 cait jared beat me in sign offs... not sure how he did that!! :P
06:53 magnuse probably a side effect of him being rm?
06:54 cait i woudl think so :)
06:55 dcook magnuse: Agreed on both counts ;)
06:55 cait hi dcook :)
06:56 magnuse g'day dcook
06:56 dcook howdy cait and magnuse :)
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07:00 paul_p good morning #koha
07:01 paul_p magnuse = isn't it today the date for the RFP we spoke of last week ? Do you still want to answer it ?
07:01 cait hi paul_p
07:01 paul_p @wunder konstanz
07:01 huginn paul_p: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.1°C (9:00 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
07:01 paul_p @wunder marseille
07:02 huginn paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
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07:02 paul_p we had an awful saturday. so many water/rain ! really astonishing !
07:02 paul_p fortunatly, we had a sunny sunday.
07:04 cait the other way around here
07:04 cait sunny saturday, half of sunday with lots of rain, then sunny again
07:06 * dcook went for a walk in a t-shirt yesterday even though it is supposed to be autumn/winter...
07:08 magnuse @wunder boo
07:08 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:11 cait @wunder Konstanz
07:11 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
07:12 magnuse moahaha ;-)
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07:17 gaetan_B hello
07:18 cait hi gaetan_B
07:18 cait :)
07:19 gaetan_B hey cait :) wie geht's ?
07:22 cait gut :)
07:22 cait heute ist ein feiertag :)
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07:23 christophe_c hello #koha
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07:26 reiveune hello
07:26 wahanui privet, reiveune
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07:30 wilfrid Hi anybody / selut tout le monde
07:30 cait hi wilfrid
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07:39 mtj hi #koha
07:39 mtj some nice icons ->[…]et-154-free-icons
07:55 dcook night #koha
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08:19 magnuse Joubu++ for a quick patch for bug 10283
08:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10283 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Hide "many items" on second tab when using OpacSeparateHoldings
08:21 Joubu magnuse: :) you're welcome
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08:34 arihant Any suggestions on this one http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ES-td5755125.html
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08:48 msaby hello #koha
08:48 msaby 1st steps in IRC
08:48 mtj arihant, i dont have any suggestions for that problem :/
08:48 msaby don't know how it works...
08:48 mtj hi arihant, msaby
08:48 arihant hi
08:49 msaby I wanted to thank everybody for the work done on 3.12
08:49 msaby especially Jared!
08:50 msaby happy the bug for opac display in french could be corrected. I discovered it very late :(
08:51 mtj yes, he has done a great job! :)
09:00 mtj other release news, koha-win32 is now fixed and works well -> http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/thread.html
09:05 magnuse hiya msaby and welcome to #koha :-)
09:05 * cait waves to msaby
09:08 msaby hi cait and magnuse!
09:11 msaby is there a howto for IRC somewhere?
09:14 cait hm not really, i htink people use different clients
09:15 cait imean to connect
09:15 cait and then you just start talking :)
09:16 cait and there are things like @wunder Konstanz
09:16 cait @wunder Konstanz
09:16 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
09:16 cait @wunder Marseille
09:16 huginn cait: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 16.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
09:17 magnuse @wunder boo
09:17 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
09:17 magnuse w00t!
09:18 magnuse irc regulars?
09:18 wahanui somebody said irc regulars was at
09:18 magnuse msaby: that link tells you who some of the nicks are :-)
09:24 * mtj waves to magnuse and cait
09:24 msaby @wunder Rennes
09:24 huginn msaby: The current temperature in Rennes, France is 13.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
09:24 msaby yes!
09:25 msaby brrr 13 °C. I won't open my window ;-)
09:25 mtj msaby, its great to finally see you on #koha :D
09:25 cait we don#t bite... as long  as there are enough cookies
09:25 msaby and bug XXXX to get the link of a bug?
09:25 cait yes
09:25 magnuse yup
09:26 mtj yep, thats it ^^
09:26 mtj bug 1234
09:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1234 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, CLOSED WORKSFORME, Parameter: Bar Code # Prefix for book / patron searching
09:26 msaby for the "waves to...", you type it, or there is a trick?
09:27 cait if you start something with /me
09:27 * cait does something
09:27 * magnuse does something else
09:30 * msaby
09:30 * msaby is typing
09:30 msaby héhé
09:30 magnuse yay!
09:31 msaby do you know if I can import direclty MARCXML records in Koha?
09:31 magnuse i think yo have to do it on the command line?
09:32 magnuse with the misc/migration_tools/ script
09:33 msaby i mean in staff interface
09:33 msaby I thought i was possible
09:33 msaby but does not seem to work
09:34 msaby hé, what's that bot?
09:34 magnuse no, i *think* you can only do iso2709 in the staff interface
09:35 mtj msaby, it picks up tweets with the #KohaILS hashtag
09:35 magnuse tweetbot listens to twitter, and reports any tweets with the #kohails tag
09:35 mtj what magnuse said :)
09:35 msaby yep, understood!
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09:36 magnuse msaby: and you will also see jenkins reporting here when new patches have been pushed and are being tested
09:38 msaby magnus : well, it could be a usefull enh
09:40 msaby magnus : not a lot of librarians have access to command line  ;-)
09:44 rangi wow that guy is pretty annoying
09:44 rangi evening all
09:48 magnuse hiya rangi
09:51 cait rangi: which guy?
09:54 rangi our live dvd manager
09:57 * magnuse wonders if Amazon SNS could be used for sending text messages from koha
10:12 rangi msaby++
10:13 rangi pootle 2.5.0 is out
10:13 rangi we are running 2.1.6
10:13 rangi[…]/en/stable-2.5.0/
10:13 msaby ho ho
10:14 msaby new features in Pootle 2.5?
10:14 rangi[…]leases/2.5.0.html
10:14 rangi yep
10:14 rangi lots of good UI fixes
10:14 rangi things like alerts too
10:15 rangi[…].0/changelog.html
10:15 cait it looks really nice from what I see
10:15 cait maybe could make the translators bit happier? :)
10:15 rangi yeah
10:16 rangi i like the timeline
10:16 rangi and the memory
10:16 wahanui the memory is fine
10:17 rangi
10:17 rangi fast
10:18 cait keyboard shortcuts too
10:18 rangi yep
10:18 rangi worth trying at least
10:20 magnuse who's the new tm again?
10:21 msaby i just send a message to translate list
10:21 msaby aboot pootle
10:21 cait bgkriegel
10:21 wahanui i heard bgkriegel was on a signoff spree
10:21 cait i thik we are also not using all possible features
10:21 cait i see that our admin interface suggests adding lucene or something
10:21 msaby missing feature for me : real advanced search, phrase search, exact search
10:21 cait not sure if that would impact speed tho
10:22 msaby that's not fixed in 2.5.0 version. maybe in next?
10:24 rangi log an issue for it, or search to see if there is one already
10:24 rangi they cant read our minds :)
10:28 cait yeah :)
10:28 cait that's a really good idea
10:29 rangi but id much prefer we interact with the pootle devs, its an active free software project
10:29 rangi and free software is ethically always better than free of cost proprietary software
10:32 cait could imagine thy are happy about constructive feedback and maybe some helping hands
10:33 rangi yep
10:33 rangi ive emailed the list in the past, they are helpful
10:45 * paul_p head to lunch
10:52 msaby bye
11:01 * rangi heads off to sleep
11:03 magnuse sleep tight rangi - soon you will be a free man too ;-)
11:04 jcamins Good night.
11:04 wahanui I watch you sleep.
11:04 jcamins magnuse: he went and volunteered to be QAA for 3.14, though...
11:05 cait creepy wahanui
11:08 magnuse jcamins: true, but i imagine that to be slightly less stressfull than being rmaint. i moght be wrong, though!
11:09 magnuse and good morning jcamins - hope you had a refreshing night :-)
11:10 cait magnuse: you have no idea *muahaha*
11:11 magnuse oh, i forgot who the qam is - yeah being qaa must be hell ;-)
11:13 cait ;)
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11:45 magnuse what are the single sign-on options in 3.12? cas, ldap, persona?
11:46 jcamins PKI?
11:46 magnuse ah yes
11:47 magnuse i think persona is pretty neat, though. if koha has your email you can create a persona account and use that to log in to koha, without needing a separate password in koha
11:50 magnuse (if i have understood it correctly)
11:50 jcamins Exactly.
11:50 jcamins Much easier to configure than PKI, too.
11:51 * magnuse would think so
11:51 paul_p back from lunch
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11:59 * magnuse needs some fresh air
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12:20 oleonard Hi #koha
12:21 oleonard Congratulations jcamins
12:21 jcamins Thanks.
12:21 oleonard jcamins++
12:24 * oleonard hopes jcamins can adjust to civilian life
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12:24 MathieuTCZ Hello everyone... I am having a problem with the LabelCreator.  As far as I can tell my particular problem is not in bugzilla...
12:25 MathieuTCZ It would appear that some of my biblios, though captured in the items table are not appear in itemsbad.  This is throwing an error with the perl script which looks in that table for the record.
12:26 MathieuTCZ I can issue the books without a problem though
12:26 jcamins Are you logged in as the database user?
12:26 MathieuTCZ logged into Koha as superlibrarian (not kohauser)
12:26 jcamins Okay.
12:26 jcamins I'm out of ideas then, I fear. :(
12:27 MathieuTCZ here is the error: [Mon May 20 11:34:18 2013] [error] [client] [Mon May 20 11:34:18 2013] Database returned the following error on attempted INSERT: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha`.`creator_batches`, CONSTRAINT `creator_batches_ibfk_3` FOREIGN KEY (`item_number`) REFERENCES `itemsbad` (`itemnumber`) ON DELETE CASCADE) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Creators/ line 72., referer: h
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12:27 jcamins Wait...
12:27 jcamins there's no such table as itemsbad.
12:27 jcamins I suspect the reason no one's reported the problem on Bugzilla is that at some point someone altered the names of tables in your installation.
12:28 MathieuTCZ I have traced the problem, but I am wondering what I need to do to get my biblios into the itemsbad table in the koha database... I can add items to label batches if they appear there, but if a book ( or other resource) is not yet recorded in itemsbad, gives an error.
12:28 jcamins MathieuTCZ: there's no such table in regular Koha, so I have no idea.
12:28 MathieuTCZ no, itemsbad is there.
12:29 MathieuTCZ this table records, among other things, accession dates
12:29 oleonard itemsbad may be there MathieuTCZ, but it's not a table that is used by Koha. What version are you using?
12:29 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "Tables in a working Koha installation." (170 lines) at
12:30 jcamins MathieuTCZ: ^^ there's a list of tables that I have in my installation.
12:30 jcamins I would speculate that the problem is the foreign key, and that you need to change it to point to the items table.
12:30 MathieuTCZ hmmm... so should I delete (after having made a backup) itemsbad?
12:30 jcamins However, that's just speculation.
12:31 jcamins You can try it.
12:31 jcamins I can't really offer advice because I'm not sure what changes were made to your installation.
12:31 MathieuTCZ here is my server info
12:31 MathieuTCZ Koha version: OS version ('uname -a'):Linux tcz 2.6.32-45-server #101-Ubuntu SMP Mon Dec 3 15:54:27 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux Perl interpreter:/usr/bin/perl Perl version:5.010001 Perl @INC: /usr/share/koha/lib  /etc/perl  /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1  /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1  /usr/lib/perl5  /usr/share/perl5  /usr/lib/perl/5.10  /usr/share/perl/5.10  /usr/local/lib/site_perl  .  MySQL version:mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.66, for debi
12:32 jcamins The fact that table exists means that someone manually made changes to your database, and I have no idea what they might be.
12:32 arihant I am looking to edit the file that koha uses to generate email...Where can i find this file
12:33 jcamins arihant: Tools -> Notices or something like that.
12:33 jcamins And then Koha just uses sendmail to send messages.
12:33 arihant i am interested in changing the headers of the email
12:33 jcamins I don't know how to do that, sorry.
12:34 arihant ok thank you
12:34 oleonard arihant: I'm curious: Why?
12:35 arihant i am getting a header charset error when trying to send emails via Amazon SES
12:35 arihant http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ES-td5755125.html
12:36 arihant any ideas on how to solve this?
12:36 oleonard Not me, sorry
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12:51 * tcohen is in fear after this early release jcamins
12:51 jcamins tcohen: hehe.
12:52 tcohen jcamins++ # 3.12 is awesome
12:54 jcamins Thanks. :)
12:55 oleonard 3.12 lowered my cholesterol!
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12:58 cait medical uses of koha releases?
12:58 cait have we investigated that yet? ;)
12:59 cait hi oleonard :)
13:00 jcamins Hey, has anyone commented recently on the fact that the "import" button on the web installer is capitalized wrong?
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13:01 cait jcamins: actually i thoght i fixed that
13:02 cait there was a patch for htat
13:07 oleonard Bug 9863
13:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9863 trivial, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Pushed to Stable , 'import' button in web installer should read 'Import'
13:07 jcamins Hm.
13:07 jcamins Oh, wait.
13:08 jcamins I'm on 3.10.
13:09 druthb lol
13:11 * magnuse imagines the look on jcamins's face when he realizes he accidentally released 3.10 as 3.12 ;-)
13:13 druthb poor ex-RM…so befuddled, didn't know what version he was on.
13:24 jcamins lol
13:31 druthb wahanui:  jcamins?
13:31 wahanui jcamins is insane.
13:31 druthb wahanui:  botsnack cookie
13:31 wahanui thanks druthb :)
13:31 * jcamins glares at the OPAC.
13:31 jcamins Why can't I change the height of my header?
13:31 druthb Did *anyone* really think that jcamins would slow down when he was no longer RM?  Anyone?  Anyone?
13:32 druthb Didn't think so.
13:33 jcamins Sleep is for the weak.
13:34 tcohen hehe
13:34 jcamins Unfortunately, changing the height of the OPAC header would appear to be for the exceptionally clever.
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13:34 jcamins Ohhhh.
13:35 jcamins oleonard: I have something that you should fix in the Bootstrappy OPAC: there should be a div that contains members and the user header but not #opac-main-search.
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13:37 oleonard jcamins: At this point in my work members and opacheader are in separate divs but not contained by any common div
13:37 jcamins The problem I have encountered is that changing the background above the search bar is not fun.
13:38 jcamins I figured it out, but it wasn't fun.
13:38 jcamins And that seems a pretty normal thing to do.
13:38 oleonard Hm, I don't remember that being difficult, but it's been a while.
13:39 jcamins oleonard: the problem is the margins get weird.
13:39 oleonard Yeah I remember that.
13:39 jcamins So you end up giving your custom elements negative margins because if you change #header-wrapper, the search bar gets screwed up.
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13:46 jcamins Okay... I have determined that using a responsive framework to match a non-responsive site's styling is probably not such a good idea.
13:47 magnuse heh
13:49 jcamins oleonard: we should use a <ul> for #moresearches.
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13:50 oleonard Sounds good to me.
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13:57 wilfrid Mathieu, I see you too, but I'm connect with irssi :-)
14:00 * cait thinks it's time to tidy up bugzilla a bit? :)
14:00 * cait sees batch changes coming
14:00 magnuse yay
14:00 jcamins By all means. Please, help yourself. :)
14:01 cait i will need rangi for that
14:01 cait to turn of email
14:01 cait maybe tonight
14:02 jcamins :)
14:02 MathieuTCZ jcamins, that seems to have fixed my problem... I am not sure how itemsbad got in there, but I managed to delete the table after removing all offending fck's
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14:16 jcamins Hey, I can start fixing the bugs that _I_ want to fix now.
14:16 jcamins Nice, eh?
14:16 gmcharlt jcamins++ # release
14:18 cait hi gmcharlt :)
14:18 gmcharlt hi cait
14:18 cait welcome to your release 3.14 :)
14:18 * gmcharlt has done the obvious ... and set the hostname of my Raspberry Pi to 'kohapi'
14:19 cait yay!
14:19 druthb lol
14:23 jcamins Hehe.
14:24 magnuse gmcharlt: does it run koha?
14:25 oleonard jcamins: Did you give gmcharlt the robe and sceptre?
14:25 jcamins Oh, right.
14:25 * jcamins chucks the robe and sceptre at gmcharlt.
14:25 gmcharlt magnuse: heh - at the moment, it's running OpenSRF and I'm planning on sticking Evergreen on it just to see how well it does
14:25 jcamins gmcharlt: seriously?
14:25 jcamins Are you nuts?
14:26 jcamins I was on #evergreen begging for help finding services to disable with a 1GB VM!
14:26 gmcharlt jcamins: yes, but what does that have to do with anything? :)
14:26 gmcharlt to be clear, I'm not planning on running the database on it
14:26 rambutan EG on one PI, the indexer on another PI, the db on another pi....outta work
14:26 gmcharlt exactly
14:26 rambutan reports on another pi
14:26 jcamins gmcharlt: ah, so Postgres will be on a real computer?
14:27 druthb If I can try to get Koha breathing on an Asus EeePC 900A, with 2 GB of RAM and a 4 GB SSHD…  hey, gmcharlt can doo eeet!
14:27 jcamins druthb: that's a whole lot more than 512MB of RAM.
14:27 druthb (I succeeded.  Sort of.  It ran, and would search, even and properly return hits from the four (!) db records I could put in there.
14:27 druthb Beastly slow.
14:28 Dyrcona gmcharlt is mad, don't you know.... :)
14:28 magnuse druthb: if it works it works :-)
14:28 druthb oh, totally, Dyrcona.  Anyone who takes RM more than once *must* be.
14:28 magnuse so we have 6 months to figure out something fun to do with the raspberry pi + koha 3.14 combo :-)
14:29 magnuse druthb: or they have a short memory...
14:30 Dyrcona EG might work on a whole pile of Pi machines....We've wanted to try running multiple ejabberd servers for the communications, but I'm getting way off topic.
14:33 gmcharlt Dyrcona: indeed -- as long as one never gets to the point where a single drone process intentionally needs more RAM than the Pi can provide, a bunch of them should serve
14:34 gmcharlt not sure about ever (realistically) using one for PostgreSQL for anything larger than Concerto, of course
14:35 Dyrcona Our ejabberd uses the most RAM on our server, then all of the apaches.
14:35 Dyrcona The drones don't typically go much over 150MB each.
14:36 gmcharlt which of course implies the exciting possiblity of max_children = 2 or something like that :)
14:36 Dyrcona :)
14:36 jcamins I look forward to seeing the attempt, but I am dubious.
14:37 Dyrcona Koha in general has a smaller memory foot print than EG, no? <- Legitimate question.
14:37 jcamins And by "dubious" I mean "absolutely convinced it's going to be too painful to even get OpenSRF to *start* much less use it."
14:37 jcamins Dyrcona: yes.
14:38 Dyrcona jcamins: That is what I thought, but I've never really verified it for myself.
14:39 Dyrcona Well, if you used a Jabber server with a smaller memory usage than ejabberd, it might work for a stand alone, very small public library.
14:39 jcamins Dyrcona: just so long as they only have four books...
14:39 Dyrcona hah!
14:39 druthb Two books.  One patron.  Good to go.
14:46 tcohen does anyone what script puts koha-common.cron.d at /etc/cron.d/koha-common ?
14:46 tcohen s/anyone/anyone knows/
14:47 druthb oleonard and others who monkey with browser-centricism…check this out:
14:48 oleonard Yeah, checked that the other day when I couldn't remember who supported PNG alpha transparency
14:50 oleonard It should be known also as the Internet Explorer hall of shame.
14:50 druthb hehehe
14:53 tcohen magnuse?
14:53 wahanui i think magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
14:54 oleonard That response is timeless because magnuse will always be eating pizza
14:55 tcohen heh
14:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10186: Fix a typo in : 2/years should be 2/year <[…]de7effd93334576fa>
14:56 tcohen need some help with packages install scripts, anyone?
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15:01 cait maybe drojf
15:01 wahanui i think maybe drojf is more of a tinfoil hat person, but it sounds like that feature makes whoever runs that cover url caching server get paid by amazon?
15:02 tcohen need some help with packages install scripts, drojf?
15:03 drojf who? what? hi #koha :)
15:03 tcohen i wanted to know how the cron.* files are installed by the debian scripts
15:03 tcohen i want to add a new file, but couldn't find an example
15:04 tcohen (i thought koha-common.cron.d would be a good one)
15:04 drojf ah, you need help, not me. that is less confusing :)
15:05 tcohen ^o)
15:05 jcamins tcohen: I think that's just the way Debian packages work.
15:05 jcamins cron.d is automatically installed.
15:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10178 - Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21 <[…]ab799f1bf729172e5> / Bug 10191: Close 2 option tags in and <[…]86bc5d3542bbd7123>
15:07 tcohen thanks jcamins, figured it out:[…]her.en.html#initd
15:07 reiveune bye
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15:08 drojf tcohen: what do you mean by "how" they are installed? how it works in the installation process or where they end up?
15:08 drojf (or something else)
15:09 tcohen jcamins gave me the right answer, I wanted to add a file for packages, and couldn't figure how to make the package building script handle it
15:10 tcohen i was looking at the koha-common.cron.d file as an example, and couldn't find references to it in the whole codebase
15:11 tcohen i want to propose a file /etc/default/koha-common for init scripts general configuration
15:11 tcohen and looks like just naming it koha-common.default will make it :-D
15:12 drojf yeah i think it is just copied to the respective folder when oyu do that
15:12 drojf *you
15:12 tcohen yes, there are several reserved file names that make it work as one would expect
15:12 tcohen .init .cron.daily, and so on)
15:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #1184 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
15:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6399 - tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma' <[…]bf520e7a9e5cf2f37>
15:16 drojf omg
15:16 drojf how devastating would it be to convert a koha mysql database from latin1 to utf8?
15:16 tcohen wouldn't it break the MARC/binary records?
15:16 oleonard Extinction of all life on Earth?
15:18 drojf oleonard: if it is that big i think it's cool ;)
15:18 drojf tcohen: not sure. they are broken now i guess
15:18 drojf that is how i found out about it
15:19 drojf i was testing a cataloging script and it did not work as it did on my vm. turns out i retrieve broken umlauts from mysql and the matching does not work
15:20 tcohen i guess longblob doesn't have an encoding set
15:21 tcohen so what i said doesn't apply
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15:57 oleonard Working on the responsive aspect of the layout now:
15:57 oleonard Haven't touched the top menu yet.
15:57 jcamins oleonard: nice!
15:57 oleonard Not sure about the search form... Wide submit button too weird?
15:58 jcamins Hmm... that is a bit weird, yeah.
15:58 oleonard CCSR rearranged the dropdowns so that they could come after the text input and be side by side. Looks nice in mobile but I'm not sure I like that as well at desktop width.
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16:02 oleonard Twitter and Facebook both have full-width buttons on their login, Amazon and Google have a smaller left-aligned button.
16:03 oleonard Are there any competing ILSes which have good mobile sites?
16:03 jcamins oleonard: ummm...
16:03 * jcamins dies of laughter
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16:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9508 follow-up : replacing tabs by spaces <[…]d194a5c9c455c2f30> / Bug 9508: Standardize the dateformat value from C4::Auth <[…]b758fc009c7105633>
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16:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1184: SUCCESS in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1184/
16:24 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10186: Fix a typo in : 2/years should be 2/year
16:24 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10191: Close 2 option tags in and
16:24 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10178 - Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21
16:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10186 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Typo in (years vs year)
16:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10191 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , 2 option tags are not closed in and
16:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10178 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21
16:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #1185 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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16:33 slef oleonard: is this about you? ;-)[…]475771493598&_rdr Giovedì 23 maggio, in diretta streaming su, conosceremo i "Modern Leonardos"
16:36 oleonard Sadly I am no modern Leonardo, despite all the efforts of my art school teachers
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16:50 * gmcharlt notes that the XSLT stylesheet selection code has several traps for the unwary
16:52 jcamins Yes indeed.
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17:05 * magnuse lols at the mention of "competing ILSes which have good mobile sites"
17:06 magnuse oleonard: i am actually preparing a frozen pizza as we speak :-)
17:06 oleonard Well you're safe from me magnuse, I'm not filing any bugs.
17:08 magnuse :-)
17:08 pastebot "gmcharlt" at pasted "for magnuse, related to 8947 -- do you like the candidate order?" (44 lines) at
17:09 * magnuse looks
17:09 magnuse bug 8947
17:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8947 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Search does not work with CCSR theme and language = nb-NO
17:09 gmcharlt also relevant is bug 10292
17:09 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10292 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , XSLT files always taken from 'prog' theme for English
17:11 magnuse gmcharlt: i never looked too closely at how 8947 was solved, but that order seems to make sense, yes
17:12 magnuse btw: was that "Project Koha_master build #1184" the first patches pushed by gmcharlt for 3.13?
17:12 magnuse if so: woohoo! :-)
17:15 * jcamins wanders off for a shopping trip.
17:16 tcohen jcamins, u still have commit rights for 3.12, right? because I need that you
17:16 tcohen .. kidding :-P
17:17 * magnuse thinks tcohen should be happy he is not in the ny area now ;-)
17:18 gmcharlt magnuse: hmm, that reminds me...
17:21 magnuse huh, what'd i do now?
17:22 jcamins gmcharlt: speaking of commit rights -- and then I'm really going -- any chance you could put a sanitized version of the EG working repo gitolite/gitowhatever config somewhere?
17:22 gmcharlt jcamins: yeah, I'll toss that on my stack
17:23 gaetan_B bye !
17:24 jcamins gmcharlt: thanks! No great rush, I just keep on forgetting to ask you.
17:25 * druthb blames gmcharlt.
17:25 gmcharlt druthb: for what? :)
17:25 druthb does it matter?   You're a very responsible #koha person.  Anything goes wrong, you're responsible.  :P
17:26 * gmcharlt staggers
17:26 * gmcharlt is now squished flat
17:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: DBrev -- onwards to Koha Pi! <[…]6c298082799061ef8>
17:26 druthb Awr!
17:26 druthb Anything goes right, you're to blame for that, too.
17:27 * gmcharlt sproings back, like a cartoon character after the anvil is removed
17:27 * druthb takes her anvil, and tosses it around playfully
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17:30 druthb[…]
17:31 magnuse gmcharlt++ for 3.13
17:31 magnuse @wunder boo
17:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (7:20 PM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
17:31 magnuse w00t!
17:31 * magnuse wanders off to devour that pizza
17:32 druthb @wunder 77063
17:32 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 31.9°C (12:29 PM CDT on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
17:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1185: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1185/
17:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 6399 - tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma'
17:36 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9508: Standardize the dateformat value from C4::Auth
17:36 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 9508 follow-up : replacing tabs by spaces
17:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6399 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma'
17:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9508 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , the dateformat variable is not standardized in template files
17:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #1186 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
17:56 bag @seen cait
17:56 huginn bag: cait was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 55 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <cait> maybe drojf
17:58 * tcohen is in fear
17:58 druthb @seen bag
17:58 huginn druthb: bag was last seen in #koha 2 minutes and 20 seconds ago: <bag> @seen cait
17:58 druthb :P
18:01 tcohen ok, first push looks like worked
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18:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2774 - Path to theme is hard-coded in many places <[…]65c62dcabf4e1d892>
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18:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1186: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1186/
18:49 jenkins_koha Galen Charlton: DBrev -- onwards to Koha Pi!
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18:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #41 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
18:51 oleonard gmcharlt: why "in discussion" for Bug 2774 instead of putting it back to "New" ?
18:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2774 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Path to theme is hard-coded in many places
18:52 gmcharlt oleonard: mostly because I tend to consider 'in discussion' to be more of an 'in progress' status, but if you prefer new, feel free to change it
18:52 oleonard I think of "in discussion" to be "we can't do anything with this bug because no one agrees on the proper solution"
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18:55 gmcharlt fair enough
18:56 oleonard And wow we have more in-discussion bugs than I thought. 103.
19:00 jcamins tcohen++
19:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10251: Fix typos in Patron Permissions Help <[…]f544857a89a9cb245>
19:07 magnuse wow 103 in discussion? that's crazy
19:07 magnuse and 140 needs signoff
19:07 magnuse and 138 failed qa
19:08 magnuse we got some work to do...
19:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10288 - Fix a tiny typo on "Pending offline circulation actions" <[…]9d81dcef4e5adaddf>
19:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #41: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/41/
19:30 jenkins_koha Mathieu Saby: Bug 10186: Fix a typo in : 2/years should be 2/year
19:30 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10186 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , Typo in (years vs year)
19:30 rangi tcohen++
19:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #1187 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1185 3 hr 4 min ago)
19:30 rangi already pushing to 3.12.x
19:33 rangi @later tell bgkriegel I wont be pushing any more things to 3.10.x before the 3.10.6 release so you might want to mark where its at so you can start in a day or 2, ill be doing the release tomorrow or the day after
19:33 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
19:34 nengard hey all - i'm looking for some report help - i need a report for items that haven't circulated - the one I have is getting no results so any ideas?
19:35 jcamins Hey, you know what's nice? I no longer have to worry about jenkins!
19:36 magnuse success! \o/ tcohen++
19:37 magnuse jcamins: you're freeeee!
19:38 rangi magnuse: the needs signoff has been building up since ive stopped signing off
19:38 rangi as im QAA for 3.14
19:38 rangi anythign i sign off i cant qa
19:39 * rangi needs someone to sub in for him
19:39 bag rangi if you sign off - let me know and I can QAA now :)
19:39 rangi oh true
19:39 bag or get pianohacker and khall to help out now :)
19:39 bag just let me know
19:39 rangi ill probably start again after 3.10.6
19:39 bag true that :D
19:39 rangi i want to get it under 100, both queues
19:39 rangi for the the whole release cycle
19:40 rangi that would be pretty sweet
19:40 jcamins I aim to sign off on approximately ten patches per month.
19:40 bag that would be sweet
19:40 rangi awesome jcamins
19:40 rangi if everyone matched that
19:40 rangi 0 queue :)
19:40 magnuse yay :-)
19:40 rangi i might add a new bit to the dashboard
19:41 rangi monthly target
19:41 rangi speaking of which
19:41 jcamins I'd love something that enables people to set personal goals and track them...
19:41 magnuse rangi: while you are in there, could you add the number for "in discussion"?
19:41 rangi
19:42 rangi can do
19:42 rangi jcamins: ^^
19:42 rangi that url does
19:42 magnuse that woul dbe neat
19:42 jcamins Perfect!
19:42 jcamins Right... now I shall figure out what it does.
19:42 rangi :)
19:43 rangi we could run our own
19:43 rangi
19:43 rangi might be nicer
19:43 rangi
19:43 magnuse yay!
19:43 rangi its super easy to install with vagrant
19:44 magnuse oh yeah? if it's so easy why don't you just do it?
19:44 * magnuse is trying to trick rangi :-)
19:44 rangi heh no more space on my linode
19:45 rangi gimme a server running debian and i will :)
19:45 * magnuse googles and finds[…]_Chef_and_Vagrant
19:45 rangi yep that was corsair__
19:46 rangi its pretty cool, needs updating, but worked when i tried it last
19:47 magnuse hm, i have plenty of space on my "misc" linode, but no time to look at it now
19:50 * rangi goes to take the kids to school
19:53 jcamins Alas, I should have made the illustrated release notes just a little bit longer.
19:54 magnuse why?
19:54 jcamins magnuse: you can't get a 14p booklet printed.
19:54 jcamins Well, not printed and bound, that is.
19:55 magnuse ah, 16 would have been better?
19:55 jcamins Yup.
19:55 jcamins Much.
19:56 jcamins So I'm trying to think of two more pages worth of content to add to the copy I have printed.
19:56 magnuse leave a couple pages for "your own notes" at the end
19:56 jcamins Or, I suppose, bring it to KohaCon and get it signed by folks.
19:56 magnuse ooh, cool idea!
19:58 jcamins Ooh, or maybe a full-page visualization of Koha's development history.
19:59 magnuse how would you do that?
19:59 jcamins magnuse: I was thinking of the cluster thing rangi had in his history... do one for the date of the release of 3.12.0
20:00 magnuse or print the gource visualaization as a flip-book-movie
20:00 jcamins lol
20:01 jcamins I only want to add two pages.
20:01 magnuse well, a couple thousand pages might be cool too? ;-)
20:03 jcamins Possibly a little more than I want to spend on printing.
20:05 rangi this one?
20:05 wahanui it has been said that this one is cool as long as someone *wants* acknowledgement
20:06 rangi[…]-is-done-on-koha/
20:06 jcamins rangi: I was thinking of the one in your presentation showing the relationships.
20:06 rangi oh right
20:06 rangi yeah tidy that up
20:07 rangi[…]-worth-of-merges/  is a fun one too
20:08 oleonard Bye everyone
20:08 rangi cya oleonard
20:08 rangi[…]isc_presentations
20:08 rangi you can clone the repo if you want jcamins
20:08 jcamins Ooh, thanks!
20:09 rangi[…]ndex.html#release
20:09 rangi or grab from there )
20:09 rangi[…]es/index.html#api  <-- i like too
20:10 rangi based on a picture cait did
20:10 jcamins Ooh, I know what I want.
20:10 jcamins I want an organization chart that shows *everyone* who contributed.
20:10 rangi that slide was my answer to the 'platform' spiel
20:10 rangi ohhh
20:10 rangi good idea
20:11 rangi that would totally be doable
20:11 jcamins Like, not just "Patch author" but "Chris Cormack," etc., etc.
20:11 rangi but would take some time
20:11 rangi *nod*
20:11 jcamins And a printed version of the release notes is of vital importance right this moment? ;)
20:11 rangi how many authors in 3.12.0 ?
20:11 rangi 40ish?
20:11 jcamins ... I don't remember.
20:11 jcamins Something like that.
20:12 jcamins I'll run stats.
20:12 rangi yeah you could actually fit that i think
20:12 rangi maybe have to do it landscape
20:12 jcamins Yeah, but that's okay.
20:12 rangi and then ppl could sign their box at kohacon
20:12 rangi :-)
20:12 jcamins And I'd be okay with staggering the names being staggered.
20:12 rangi like a yearbook
20:12 rangi heh
20:13 jcamins With one fewer "stagger*."
20:13 rangi "most likely to go insane and volunteer for another release"
20:13 jcamins lol
20:13 jcamins When I told Shari I'd released, she said "How long was that? Seven months? You know, you could be most of the way to a child by now, and then your parents would have a grandchild for all the suffering."
20:14 rangi ok now it is actually time for school
20:14 magnuse lol
20:14 rangi bb from work
20:14 jcamins Bye.
20:14 magnuse have fun rangi
20:17 jcamins Oh, now I know why I haven't been running statistics recently.
20:18 jcamins I don't have gitdm.
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20:31 msaby hello #koha
20:31 bag jcamins: WOW "When I told Shari I'd released, she said "How long was that? Seven months? You know, you could be most of the way to a child by now, and then your parents would have a grandchild for all the suffering."
20:31 bag I like Shari's play on the word released :P
20:32 jcamins bag: yep. That's why I dedicated 3.12 to the spouses.
20:32 bag ahhh sweet :D
20:35 msaby hi jcamins. I'm looking at bug 8519 (about zebra). not sure to understand the consequences for librairies. The commit message says the documentation will be updated later. Do you know if it was done?
20:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup
20:35 jcamins I don't believe it was, but there are no consequences for libraries that don't go out of their way to set it up.
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20:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1187: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1187/
20:41 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 2774 - Path to theme is hard-coded in many places
20:41 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10251: Fix typos in Patron Permissions Help
20:41 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 10288 - Fix a tiny typo on "Pending offline circulation actions"
20:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2774 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Path to theme is hard-coded in many places
20:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10251 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , typos in help/members/
20:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=10288 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Tiny typo on "Pending offline circulation actions"
20:41 blahdeblah Hi. I'm looking for info on importing records from another system (Emilda).[…]port_MARC_to_Koha says it's obsolete - where should i look for current info?
20:42 blahdeblah (BTW, I've already got a working 3.10.05-1 installation.)
20:42 msaby jcamins: thank you
20:46 jcamins blahdeblah: I don't think we have any updated documentation aside from the manual.
20:48 blahdeblah jcamins: So http://manual.koha-community.o[…]ls.html#stagemarc ?
20:48 jcamins Oh, was the question just about the actual importing step?
20:48 jcamins Yes, stage MARC is probably your best bet.
20:49 jcamins bulkmarcimport still exists, though, if you're importing a lot of records and don't want the added overhead.
20:49 blahdeblah jcamins: I have an Emilda system (which uses zebra), and i'm trying to work out how to bring in the whole database.
20:50 jcamins blahdeblah: yeah, that's another issue... you'll have to convert the data into something that Koha can use.
20:50 blahdeblah So just because it's MARC doesn't mean it will work?
20:50 jcamins For just importing MARC, the only thing you'll have to worry about is the item records.
20:51 jcamins @marc 952
20:51 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at[…]_fields_%289xx%29
20:51 huginn jcamins: unknown tag 952
20:51 gmcharlt rangi: as near as I can make out, Jenkins did not seem to update the version stamp in its test DB
20:51 jcamins That link outlines what data needs to go where in 952 (or 995 if you're a UNIMARC user) for Koha to understand the item record.
20:51 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah, it has to be done manually.
20:52 jcamins blahdeblah: however, that leaves all your patrons, circulation records, etc. still in Koha.
20:52 blahdeblah I only really care about the bibliographic data
20:53 jcamins Good. That's easy. You just have to export the MARC, modify the item information from Emilda into Koha's 952/995 fields, and import it using stage MARC records (my preference) or bulkmarcimport (not my preference).
20:54 blahdeblah What is the difference between staging and importing?
20:54 jcamins blahdeblah: staging puts the records in a reservoir, and from there you import them by clicking the import button.
20:54 blahdeblah Do you have to click on every record?
20:54 jcamins No.
20:54 jcamins You just click the import button once to import the batch.
20:54 blahdeblah OK
20:55 blahdeblah So it's sort of like a preview-before-import function?
20:55 jcamins I prefer that because it gives me a preview so I can confirm that my records look basically like I expected.
20:55 blahdeblah heh
20:55 blahdeblah I take it a batch can be discarded as well?
20:55 jcamins Yup.
20:55 jcamins And once it's imported you click "Clean," and Koha cleans up after itself so that the batch isn't taking up space (just the records in their final home).
20:56 blahdeblah cool - thanks
20:56 blahdeblah So all i really need to work out is the 952/995 deal
20:56 jcamins Yup.
20:56 magnuse is there still a limit on how many records you can stage/import?
20:56 jcamins Are you using MARC21 or UNIMARC?
20:56 blahdeblah No idea
20:56 jcamins magnuse: not to my knowledge. I've done 200k.
20:56 magnuse oh cool
20:57 jcamins blahdeblah: if your file is too large to upload, there's a script.
20:57 blahdeblah It won't be too large
20:57 jcamins blahdeblah: where are you located?
20:57 blahdeblah It's my personal library - only about 1300 items
20:57 blahdeblah .au
20:57 jcamins Probably MARC21, then.
20:58 jcamins If the titles appear in field 245, it's MARC21.
20:58 blahdeblah That's what /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf seems to indicate
20:58 jcamins The question is what format your data is in in Emilda.
20:58 jcamins Converting between MARC21 and UNIMARC is very difficult.
20:58 blahdeblah I'll see if i can work that out
20:59 magnuse oops someone needs to do a little checkup on their webpage
20:59 jcamins Well, based on the screenshot on Sourceforge, it's MARC21.
20:59 jcamins magnuse: yeah, I noticed that.
21:00 jcamins I see why you're migrating away... looks like abandonware.
21:01 blahdeblah It has been for quite some time
21:02 blahdeblah I just haven't had a chance to look at it for ages, and because the site isn't Internet-exposed, i haven't been too concerned about security.
21:04 * magnuse does the sensible thing and calls it a day - have fun #koha!
21:04 blahdeblah jcamins: Since it Emilda already uses Zebra, is there a way i can just point Koha at the data and have it pull it in?
21:04 jcamins Nope.
21:04 jcamins Zebra is used only for indexing.
21:05 blahdeblah ah
21:05 blahdeblah So the MARC data will be in the database somewhere?
21:06 blahdeblah I got the impression from reading about Zebra that it was the master store of MARC data.
21:06 jcamins Right.
21:06 jcamins Really?
21:06 wahanui Really is off now
21:06 jcamins Yikes!
21:06 jcamins Certainly it's not the master store for Koha, and I would hope it wasn't for Emilda either.
21:07 blahdeblah I'm no expert on this - and it's been a long time since i touched it
21:07 jcamins I'd give even odds that you're remembering correctly.
21:07 jcamins Hopefully Emilda has some sort of export function.
21:08 blahdeblah It's all LAMP, so hopefully the worst it could be is that i'll have to do a custom mysql query.
21:11 * blahdeblah heads to breakfast - thanks for the help, jcamins
21:16 jcamins I have about a pound and a half of flour that doesn't fit in the bucket.
21:17 jcamins Guess I'd better bake something.
21:17 jcamins What should I bake?
21:18 rangi gmcharlt: should be fixed now
21:18 gmcharlt rangi: thanks
21:18 gmcharlt is there something that can be done to automate it?  or alternatively, can I have access?
21:19 rangi ill automate it again, and yep you can ask biblibre for access that would be fine (it's their box)
21:19 rangi i can give you jenkins admin access tho
21:19 rangi whats your username?
21:20 jcamins rangi: happy birthday!
21:21 rangi thanks
21:22 gmcharlt rangi: gmcharlt (and if you could do a password reset, that would be great)
21:22 rangi will do
21:25 jcamins Beer batter bread, I guess.
21:25 jcamins I have all these fermented dandelion things that I want to use up.
21:26 wizzyrea O.o
21:27 wizzyrea jcamins:
21:28 jcamins wizzyrea: that's the tagin recipe?
21:28 jcamins *tagine
21:28 wizzyrea ya
21:28 jcamins Cool, thanks!
21:29 NateC hey rangi
21:29 rangi thanks NateC
21:29 NateC :)
21:32 rangi upgrading jenkins now
21:33 jcamins Okay... what goes into my beer batter bread.
21:33 jcamins Well, fermented dandelion batter bread.
21:33 rangi thats what i do on my 40th, upgrade continious integration servers... it's all parties all the time!
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21:35 jcamins[…]d-10000001141994/ <-- this one?
21:38 wizzyrea that looks pretty yum
21:41 rangi[…]s-management.html
21:41 rangi ^^ useful
21:42 talljoy happy birthday rangi
21:42 rangi[…]-warnings-in-perl <-- that too
21:42 rangi thanks talljoy
22:02 khall_away happy bday rangi!
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22:03 blahdeblah Hmmm..  jcamins: looks like in Emilda all biblio is indeed stored in Zebra - the book table is just a reference to the record id, and they access it via a yaz call
22:06 rangi thanks khall_away
22:11 cait happy birthday rangi!
22:12 rangi thanks :)
22:12 bag YAY happy birthday rangi
22:12 bag I love birthday parties!
22:13 cait who doesn't? :)
22:16 jcamins blahdeblah: looks like you'll be using yaz to extract the data if there's no export option.
22:16 blahdeblah It appears that everything's in raw MARC files
22:17 blahdeblah I was able to dump one with marcdump and it appeared sane
22:17 blahdeblah (to my untrained eye)
22:17 blahdeblah I'm going to try staging a record and see what happens
22:17 jcamins Oh, of course.
22:19 blahdeblah That seemed to work sweetly
22:19 blahdeblah Can MARC files just be concatenated, or is there something i need to do to put everything in one file?
22:19 jcamins They can be concatenated.
22:20 * blahdeblah rubs hands and has a shot at it
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22:31 blahdeblah Well, that seemed to go OK
22:31 blahdeblah It imported 1335 records, and 12 items
22:31 blahdeblah Not sure what the difference between those is
22:31 jcamins The former are bibliographic records, the latter would be physical items, with call numbers, etc.
22:32 blahdeblah Urrgh - that's not good
22:32 blahdeblah There should be 1335 items
22:32 blahdeblah Is there a way to bulk-create matching items?
22:32 jcamins That's what the 952 conversion was for.
22:32 jcamins Not really, no.
22:33 jcamins You could write a script that would create an item for each bibliographic record.
22:34 blahdeblah That page you linked to didn't seem to indicate what needed to be done to allow import of holdings.  Am i missing something?
22:35 jcamins That page describes what data goes where.
22:35 jcamins It is your responsibility to find that data in your existing records and put it in those places.
22:35 blahdeblah OK
22:35 blahdeblah So if we set up some sort of transform it should be possible to copy the holdings data on import?
22:35 jcamins Yes.
22:39 blahdeblah OK, so it seems to use 852 for holdings as mentioned in that wiki page
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22:47 tcohen The Dude
22:47 DOOD rangi: best nick ever ^^^^
22:48 DOOD yeah I'm an idiot I just thought of it - I should have been DOOD before bag
22:48 rangi heh
22:48 tcohen rangi, i pushed smth :-D
22:50 tcohen i started with a really simple one (string patch)
22:50 tcohen tomorrow i'll continue with 10178 i guess
22:50 cait tcohen++
22:51 bag I feel so much less cool now
22:51 blahdeblah OK, i'm still not understanding what needs to happen in order to mangle 852 to 952 on import.  Is there any further info other than[…]_fields_%289xx%29 ?
22:51 tcohen oh, leaving, bye cait
22:51 cait blahdeblah: for koha 852 are useless, you need to map your item data for 952
22:52 cait i mean, the data needs to have it, koha is not going to do anything with it on import
22:52 cait hm I am confusing
22:52 rangi nice :)
22:52 blahdeblah cait: jcamins seemed to imply that it would be possible to copy it
22:52 rangi yes, you would need to copy it
22:52 rangi koha wont do that for you
22:53 blahdeblah Any tips on how to do that?
22:53 rangi you could use something like marcedit
22:53 cait thx rangi :)
22:53 cait good night all!
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22:54 blahdeblah rangi: Is that a Koha tool, or does it come from somewhere else?
22:54 rangi not a koha tool
22:54 rangi there are lots of perl tools for manipulating MARC records or there is marcedit with is free of cost but proprietary
22:55 blahdeblah I'm pretty comfortable with perl scripting, but happy to use another tool if it's going to be fast and easy
22:55 blahdeblah s/happy/prefer/
22:55 rangi ive never used marcedit
22:56 rangi but people seem to like it
22:56 blahdeblah Does it do bulk changes?
22:56 rangi like i said, ive never used it
22:56 blahdeblah I'll have a look at it
22:58 eythian hi
22:58 wahanui que tal, eythian
23:01 wizzyrea cjh++ for excellent serials documentation
23:01 wizzyrea hi eythian :D
23:02 cjh I still have some local notes I have to put on the wiki at some point
23:16 rangi mtj: your 2nd key should be added now
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23:59 Brooke kia ora
23:59 Brooke He rā whānau koa ki a koe

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