Time Nick Message 00:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1182: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1182/ 00:00 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Update release notes for final 3.12.00 release 00:00 jenkins_koha * Jared Camins-Esakov: Increment version for 3.12.0 release 00:01 wizzyrea \o/ 00:01 jcamins ... seriously? 00:01 jcamins I HATE YOU, JENKINS!!!!! 00:01 * wizzyrea institutes duck and cover 00:02 dcook @wunder new york city 00:02 huginn dcook: The current temperature in Murray Hill, New York, New York is 14.2°C (8:02 PM EDT on May 19, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 00:02 rangi hehe 00:02 rangi its just the db version 00:02 rangi ill fix 00:02 wizzyrea @wunder nzwn 00:02 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (11:00 AM NZST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). 00:02 wizzyrea oo, not bad 00:02 tcohen r u sure jcamins? i can leave it to you a few days :-P 00:03 rangi !jenkins build koha_master now 00:03 jenkins_koha rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now 00:05 jcamins rangi: I know. Still, what an annoying message to get five minutes later. 00:05 jcamins tcohen: yeah, I'm sure. 00:05 jcamins Thanks for the offer, though. :P 00:05 rangi yep 00:07 jcamins I would like something frameable signed by as many of the developers who contributed to Koha 3.12 as possible. 00:07 wizzyrea hm. 00:09 rangi my library cards wall? 00:09 rangi i could take a photo 00:09 rangi put it A3 size with the koha logo in it 00:09 rangi and bring it to kohacon 00:09 jcamins rangi: that'd be perfect! 00:09 rangi then we could get ppl to sing it 00:09 rangi sign too 00:09 jcamins lol 00:09 * wizzyrea will sing at it 00:09 jcamins That'd be an interesting song. 00:09 * cjh isnt very good at singing 00:10 rangi heh 00:10 rangi there is an open source library systems song 00:10 wizzyrea ... 00:10 wizzyrea srs? 00:10 wahanui srs are not a good registrar :) 00:10 rangi yeah 00:10 wizzyrea forget srs 00:10 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot srs 00:10 wizzyrea link or it didn't happen 00:10 wizzyrea :P 00:11 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSHBzd9ftDE 00:11 rangi librarians 00:11 wahanui librarians are crazy 00:11 rangi you called it buddy 00:11 cjh hahaha that is awesome! 00:12 cjh wahanui: librarian song is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSHBzd9ftDE 00:12 wahanui OK, cjh. 00:12 rangi i bet sirsi dont have a song 00:12 tweetbot [off] twitter: @wizzyrea: "#KohaILS 3.12 released - very exciting tons of new stuff - but you know, we always look to the future, on to Pi!" 00:13 rangi it was part of the library tour thingy 00:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1183 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1181 7 hr 0 min ago) 00:20 tweetbot [off] twitter: @_cjh: "This just made my day https://t.co/2EDI9P54Xe #KohaILS Open Source ILS Song" 00:28 tweetbot [off] twitter: @nzkoha: "#KohaILS 3.12.0 is released! The new features are one thing, but check how nice the release notes are! http://t.co/HCmJNjnTkH" 00:29 wizzyrea ohhh yeahhh 00:34 ibeardslee .. pity about the paper size though ;) 00:44 ibeardslee .. which is not to detract from a nicely formatted set of release notes. 00:45 * ibeardslee goes to sit in the corner and tries to stop being picky. 00:45 wizzyrea bad beardslee, bad. 00:46 jcamins ibeardslee: I thought about doing an A4 version. 00:46 jcamins They I decided I didn't care. 00:48 jcamins I use wide margins so it should print just fine. 00:49 jcamins And if not... 00:49 jcamins deal. 01:05 * jcamins capers about merrily. 01:08 dcook Someone's happy ;) 01:09 jcamins dcook: oh yes. 01:09 dcook Aww, just read the dedication :) 01:10 dcook I'm sure Shari will be happy to get you back as well :D 01:10 jcamins Oh yes. 01:10 jcamins Very pleased indeed. 01:11 jcamins I called her to let her know I'd done the release and was free. 01:12 dcook \o/ 01:20 jcamins eythian: I tagged 3.12.0, BTW, so you can package at your leisure. :) 01:26 BobB_ congratulations jcamins - very nice release notes too. 01:27 jcamins BobB_: thanks. 01:27 BobB_ great job 01:30 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 01:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1183: FIXED in 1 hr 26 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1183/ 01:32 tweetbot [off] twitter: @jcamins: "I released Koha 3.12.0 today, 4 days early! Pleased with the result, especially the release notes. http://t.co/wksDNc1Kqj #KohaILS" 01:40 tweetbot [off] twitter: @IrmaLibraries: "#KohaILS Koha 3.12.0 released with 21 new features, 160 enhancements and 436 bugfixes. More http://t.co/b7GRpTxzYC … Questions? Comments?" 01:44 jcamins 436? I thought I updated it. 01:44 jcamins Oh well. 02:10 rangi http://vietnamlib.net/tin-tuc/hoat-dong-tttv-the-gioi/cap-nhat-phien-ban-koha-3-12-beta-1-va-ban-co-the-tham-gia 02:10 rangi how fast! 02:11 rangi ah no, thats the beta :) 02:11 rangi still cool tho 02:11 jcamins Yup. 03:47 * jcamins finishes his tidying frenzy and heads to bed. 03:47 jcamins Good night, #koha. 03:47 jcamins Enjoy the slog to 3.14. 03:47 dcook Night, jcamins 03:47 dcook Well done, again! 03:48 jcamins Thanks. :) 03:49 wizzyrea slog. 03:49 jcamins Blearily. 05:43 cjh come on 3.14.15 ! 05:50 dcook hehe 06:47 magnuse woohoo! 06:47 magnuse jcamins++ 06:48 magnuse @confetti 06:48 huginn magnuse: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready 06:48 magnuse confetti 06:48 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` 06:48 magnuse more confetti 06:48 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`' 06:48 cait jcamins++ 06:49 cait confetti... :) 06:49 magnuse and hiya cait 06:49 cait hi magnuse 06:49 * magnuse feels like sending shari something nice 06:52 magnuse shame on me for having more patches than signoffs in 3.12 06:52 cait tsk 06:52 cait ;) 06:52 cait jared beat me in sign offs... not sure how he did that!! :P 06:53 magnuse probably a side effect of him being rm? 06:54 cait i woudl think so :) 06:55 dcook magnuse: Agreed on both counts ;) 06:55 cait hi dcook :) 06:56 magnuse g'day dcook 06:56 dcook howdy cait and magnuse :) 07:00 paul_p good morning #koha 07:01 paul_p magnuse = isn't it today the date for the RFP we spoke of last week ? Do you still want to answer it ? 07:01 cait hi paul_p 07:01 paul_p @wunder konstanz 07:01 huginn paul_p: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.1°C (9:00 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). 07:01 paul_p @wunder marseille 07:02 huginn paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 13.0°C (8:30 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 07:02 paul_p we had an awful saturday. so many water/rain ! really astonishing ! 07:02 paul_p fortunatly, we had a sunny sunday. 07:04 cait the other way around here 07:04 cait sunny saturday, half of sunday with lots of rain, then sunny again 07:06 * dcook went for a walk in a t-shirt yesterday even though it is supposed to be autumn/winter... 07:08 magnuse @wunder boo 07:08 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (8:50 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 07:11 cait @wunder Konstanz 07:11 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 11.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 07:12 magnuse moahaha ;-) 07:17 gaetan_B hello 07:18 cait hi gaetan_B 07:18 cait :) 07:19 gaetan_B hey cait :) wie geht's ? 07:22 cait gut :) 07:22 cait heute ist ein feiertag :) 07:23 christophe_c hello #koha 07:26 reiveune hello 07:26 wahanui privet, reiveune 07:30 wilfrid Hi anybody / selut tout le monde 07:30 cait hi wilfrid 07:39 mtj hi #koha 07:39 mtj some nice icons -> http://www.wpzoom.com/wpzoom/new-freebie-wpzoom-developer-icon-set-154-free-icons 07:49 tweetbot [off] twitter: @BibLibre: "The version 3.12 of Koha has been released today, learn more about it here : http://t.co/Kuj93Vf8kw #Kohails" 07:55 dcook night #koha 08:13 tweetbot [off] twitter: @libriotech: "@xmacex Can you tell us more about @kungbib looking at #KohaILS? Curious! :-)" 08:19 magnuse Joubu++ for a quick patch for bug 10283 08:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10283 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Hide "many items" on second tab when using OpacSeparateHoldings 08:21 Joubu magnuse: :) you're welcome 08:34 arihant Any suggestions on this one http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Sending-eMail-via-Amazon-SES-td5755125.html 08:48 msaby hello #koha 08:48 msaby 1st steps in IRC 08:48 mtj arihant, i dont have any suggestions for that problem :/ 08:48 msaby don't know how it works... 08:48 mtj hi arihant, msaby 08:48 arihant hi 08:49 msaby I wanted to thank everybody for the work done on 3.12 08:49 msaby especially Jared! 08:50 msaby happy the bug for opac display in french could be corrected. I discovered it very late :( 08:51 mtj yes, he has done a great job! :) 09:00 mtj ...in other release news, koha-win32 is now fixed and works well -> http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-win32/2013-April/thread.html 09:05 magnuse hiya msaby and welcome to #koha :-) 09:05 * cait waves to msaby 09:08 msaby hi cait and magnuse! 09:11 msaby is there a howto for IRC somewhere? 09:14 cait hm not really, i htink people use different clients 09:15 cait imean to connect 09:15 cait and then you just start talking :) 09:16 cait and there are things like @wunder Konstanz 09:16 cait @wunder Konstanz 09:16 huginn cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 12.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 09:16 cait @wunder Marseille 09:16 huginn cait: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 16.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 09:17 magnuse @wunder boo 09:17 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 09:17 magnuse w00t! 09:18 magnuse irc regulars? 09:18 wahanui somebody said irc regulars was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars 09:18 magnuse msaby: that link tells you who some of the nicks are :-) 09:24 * mtj waves to magnuse and cait 09:24 msaby @wunder Rennes 09:24 huginn msaby: The current temperature in Rennes, France is 13.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). 09:24 msaby yes! 09:25 msaby brrr 13 °C. I won't open my window ;-) 09:25 mtj msaby, its great to finally see you on #koha :D 09:25 cait we don#t bite... as long as there are enough cookies 09:25 msaby and bug XXXX to get the link of a bug? 09:25 cait yes 09:25 magnuse yup 09:26 mtj yep, thats it ^^ 09:26 mtj bug 1234 09:26 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 enhancement, P2, ---, paul.poulain, CLOSED WORKSFORME, Parameter: Bar Code # Prefix for book / patron searching 09:26 msaby for the "waves to...", you type it, or there is a trick? 09:27 cait if you start something with /me 09:27 * cait does something 09:27 * magnuse does something else 09:30 * msaby 09:30 * msaby is typing 09:30 msaby héhé 09:30 magnuse yay! 09:31 msaby do you know if I can import direclty MARCXML records in Koha? 09:31 magnuse i think yo have to do it on the command line? 09:32 magnuse with the misc/migration_tools/bulkmarcimport.pl script 09:33 msaby i mean in staff interface 09:33 msaby I thought i was possible 09:33 tweetbot [off] twitter: @KohaAloha: "hi to msaby on irc, from the twitterverse #KohaILS" 09:33 msaby but does not seem to work 09:34 msaby hé, what's that bot? 09:34 magnuse no, i *think* you can only do iso2709 in the staff interface 09:35 mtj msaby, it picks up tweets with the #KohaILS hashtag 09:35 magnuse tweetbot listens to twitter, and reports any tweets with the #kohails tag 09:35 mtj what magnuse said :) 09:35 msaby yep, understood! 09:36 magnuse msaby: and you will also see jenkins reporting here when new patches have been pushed and are being tested 09:38 msaby magnus : well, it could be a usefull enh 09:40 msaby magnus : not a lot of librarians have access to command line ;-) 09:41 tweetbot [off] twitter: @27point7: "@KohaAloha that's me ;-) #KohaILS" 09:44 rangi wow that guy is pretty annoying 09:44 rangi evening all 09:48 magnuse hiya rangi 09:51 cait rangi: which guy? 09:54 rangi our live dvd manager 09:57 * magnuse wonders if Amazon SNS could be used for sending text messages from koha 10:12 rangi msaby++ 10:13 rangi pootle 2.5.0 is out 10:13 rangi we are running 2.1.6 10:13 rangi http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/stable-2.5.0/ 10:13 msaby ho ho 10:14 msaby new features in Pootle 2.5? 10:14 rangi http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/stable-2.5.0/releases/2.5.0.html 10:14 rangi yep 10:14 rangi lots of good UI fixes 10:14 rangi things like alerts too 10:15 rangi http://docs.translatehouse.org/projects/pootle/en/stable-2.5.0/changelog.html 10:15 cait it looks really nice from what I see 10:15 cait maybe could make the translators bit happier? :) 10:15 rangi yeah 10:16 rangi i like the timeline 10:16 rangi and the memory 10:16 wahanui the memory is fine 10:17 rangi http://pootle.locamotion.org/ 10:17 rangi fast 10:18 cait keyboard shortcuts too 10:18 rangi yep 10:18 rangi worth trying at least 10:20 magnuse who's the new tm again? 10:21 msaby i just send a message to translate list 10:21 msaby aboot pootle 10:21 cait bgkriegel 10:21 wahanui i heard bgkriegel was on a signoff spree 10:21 cait i thik we are also not using all possible features 10:21 cait i see that our admin interface suggests adding lucene or something 10:21 msaby missing feature for me : real advanced search, phrase search, exact search 10:21 cait not sure if that would impact speed tho 10:22 msaby that's not fixed in 2.5.0 version. maybe in next? 10:24 rangi log an issue for it, or search to see if there is one already 10:24 rangi they cant read our minds :) 10:28 cait yeah :) 10:28 cait that's a really good idea 10:29 rangi but id much prefer we interact with the pootle devs, its an active free software project 10:29 rangi and free software is ethically always better than free of cost proprietary software 10:32 cait could imagine thy are happy about constructive feedback and maybe some helping hands 10:33 rangi yep 10:33 rangi ive emailed the list in the past, they are helpful 10:45 * paul_p head to lunch 10:52 msaby bye 11:01 * rangi heads off to sleep 11:03 magnuse sleep tight rangi - soon you will be a free man too ;-) 11:04 jcamins Good night. 11:04 wahanui I watch you sleep. 11:04 jcamins magnuse: he went and volunteered to be QAA for 3.14, though... 11:05 cait creepy wahanui 11:08 magnuse jcamins: true, but i imagine that to be slightly less stressfull than being rmaint. i moght be wrong, though! 11:09 magnuse and good morning jcamins - hope you had a refreshing night :-) 11:10 cait magnuse: you have no idea *muahaha* 11:11 magnuse oh, i forgot who the qam is - yeah being qaa must be hell ;-) 11:13 cait ;) 11:45 magnuse what are the single sign-on options in 3.12? cas, ldap, persona? 11:46 jcamins PKI? 11:46 magnuse ah yes 11:47 magnuse i think persona is pretty neat, though. if koha has your email you can create a persona account and use that to log in to koha, without needing a separate password in koha 11:50 magnuse (if i have understood it correctly) 11:50 jcamins Exactly. 11:50 jcamins Much easier to configure than PKI, too. 11:51 * magnuse would think so 11:51 paul_p back from lunch 11:59 * magnuse needs some fresh air 12:20 oleonard Hi #koha 12:21 oleonard Congratulations jcamins 12:21 jcamins Thanks. 12:21 oleonard jcamins++ 12:24 * oleonard hopes jcamins can adjust to civilian life 12:24 MathieuTCZ Hello everyone... I am having a problem with the LabelCreator. As far as I can tell my particular problem is not in bugzilla... 12:25 MathieuTCZ It would appear that some of my biblios, though captured in the items table are not appear in itemsbad. This is throwing an error with the perl script which looks in that table for the record. 12:26 MathieuTCZ I can issue the books without a problem though 12:26 jcamins Are you logged in as the database user? 12:26 MathieuTCZ logged into Koha as superlibrarian (not kohauser) 12:26 jcamins Okay. 12:26 jcamins I'm out of ideas then, I fear. :( 12:27 MathieuTCZ here is the error: [Mon May 20 11:34:18 2013] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] [Mon May 20 11:34:18 2013] label-edit-batch.pl: Database returned the following error on attempted INSERT: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha`.`creator_batches`, CONSTRAINT `creator_batches_ibfk_3` FOREIGN KEY (`item_number`) REFERENCES `itemsbad` (`itemnumber`) ON DELETE CASCADE) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Creators/Batch.pm line 72., referer: h 12:27 jcamins Wait... 12:27 jcamins there's no such table as itemsbad. 12:27 jcamins I suspect the reason no one's reported the problem on Bugzilla is that at some point someone altered the names of tables in your installation. 12:28 MathieuTCZ I have traced the problem, but I am wondering what I need to do to get my biblios into the itemsbad table in the koha database... I can add items to label batches if they appear there, but if a book ( or other resource) is not yet recorded in itemsbad, batch.pm gives an error. 12:28 jcamins MathieuTCZ: there's no such table in regular Koha, so I have no idea. 12:28 MathieuTCZ no, itemsbad is there. 12:29 MathieuTCZ this table records, among other things, accession dates 12:29 oleonard itemsbad may be there MathieuTCZ, but it's not a table that is used by Koha. What version are you using? 12:29 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Tables in a working Koha installation." (170 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/19 12:30 jcamins MathieuTCZ: ^^ there's a list of tables that I have in my installation. 12:30 jcamins I would speculate that the problem is the foreign key, and that you need to change it to point to the items table. 12:30 MathieuTCZ hmmm... so should I delete (after having made a backup) itemsbad? 12:30 jcamins However, that's just speculation. 12:31 jcamins You can try it. 12:31 jcamins I can't really offer advice because I'm not sure what changes were made to your installation. 12:31 MathieuTCZ here is my server info 12:31 MathieuTCZ Koha version: 3.10.02.000 OS version ('uname -a'): Linux tcz 2.6.32-45-server #101-Ubuntu SMP Mon Dec 3 15:54:27 UTC 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux Perl interpreter: /usr/bin/perl Perl version: 5.010001 Perl @INC: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . MySQL version: mysql Ver 14.14 Distrib 5.1.66, for debi 12:32 jcamins The fact that table exists means that someone manually made changes to your database, and I have no idea what they might be. 12:32 arihant I am looking to edit the file that koha uses to generate email...Where can i find this file 12:33 jcamins arihant: Tools -> Notices or something like that. 12:33 jcamins And then Koha just uses sendmail to send messages. 12:33 arihant i am interested in changing the headers of the email 12:33 jcamins I don't know how to do that, sorry. 12:34 arihant ok thank you 12:34 oleonard arihant: I'm curious: Why? 12:35 arihant i am getting a header charset error when trying to send emails via Amazon SES 12:35 arihant http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Sending-eMail-via-Amazon-SES-td5755125.html 12:36 arihant any ideas on how to solve this? 12:36 oleonard Not me, sorry 12:51 * tcohen is in fear after this early release jcamins 12:51 jcamins tcohen: hehe. 12:52 tcohen jcamins++ # 3.12 is awesome 12:54 jcamins Thanks. :) 12:55 oleonard 3.12 lowered my cholesterol! 12:58 cait medical uses of koha releases? 12:58 cait have we investigated that yet? ;) 12:59 cait hi oleonard :) 13:00 jcamins Hey, has anyone commented recently on the fact that the "import" button on the web installer is capitalized wrong? 13:01 cait jcamins: actually i thoght i fixed that 13:02 cait there was a patch for htat 13:07 oleonard Bug 9863 13:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9863 trivial, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Pushed to Stable , 'import' button in web installer should read 'Import' 13:07 jcamins Hm. 13:07 jcamins Oh, wait. 13:08 jcamins I'm on 3.10. 13:09 druthb lol 13:11 * magnuse imagines the look on jcamins's face when he realizes he accidentally released 3.10 as 3.12 ;-) 13:13 druthb poor ex-RM…so befuddled, didn't know what version he was on. 13:24 jcamins lol 13:31 druthb wahanui: jcamins? 13:31 wahanui jcamins is insane. 13:31 druthb wahanui: botsnack cookie 13:31 wahanui thanks druthb :) 13:31 * jcamins glares at the OPAC. 13:31 jcamins Why can't I change the height of my header? 13:31 druthb Did *anyone* really think that jcamins would slow down when he was no longer RM? Anyone? Anyone? 13:32 druthb Didn't think so. 13:33 jcamins Sleep is for the weak. 13:34 tcohen hehe 13:34 jcamins Unfortunately, changing the height of the OPAC header would appear to be for the exceptionally clever. 13:34 jcamins Ohhhh. 13:35 jcamins oleonard: I have something that you should fix in the Bootstrappy OPAC: there should be a div that contains members and the user header but not #opac-main-search. 13:37 oleonard jcamins: At this point in my work members and opacheader are in separate divs but not contained by any common div 13:37 jcamins The problem I have encountered is that changing the background above the search bar is not fun. 13:38 jcamins I figured it out, but it wasn't fun. 13:38 jcamins And that seems a pretty normal thing to do. 13:38 oleonard Hm, I don't remember that being difficult, but it's been a while. 13:39 jcamins oleonard: the problem is the margins get weird. 13:39 oleonard Yeah I remember that. 13:39 jcamins So you end up giving your custom elements negative margins because if you change #header-wrapper, the search bar gets screwed up. 13:46 jcamins Okay... I have determined that using a responsive framework to match a non-responsive site's styling is probably not such a good idea. 13:47 magnuse heh 13:49 jcamins oleonard: we should use a <ul> for #moresearches. 13:50 oleonard Sounds good to me. 13:57 wilfrid Mathieu, I see you too, but I'm connect with irssi :-) 14:00 * cait thinks it's time to tidy up bugzilla a bit? :) 14:00 * cait sees batch changes coming 14:00 magnuse yay 14:00 jcamins By all means. Please, help yourself. :) 14:01 cait i will need rangi for that 14:01 cait to turn of email 14:01 cait maybe tonight 14:02 jcamins :) 14:02 MathieuTCZ jcamins, that seems to have fixed my problem... I am not sure how itemsbad got in there, but I managed to delete the table after removing all offending fck's 14:16 jcamins Hey, I can start fixing the bugs that _I_ want to fix now. 14:16 jcamins Nice, eh? 14:16 gmcharlt jcamins++ # release 14:18 cait hi gmcharlt :) 14:18 gmcharlt hi cait 14:18 cait welcome to your release 3.14 :) 14:18 * gmcharlt has done the obvious ... and set the hostname of my Raspberry Pi to 'kohapi' 14:19 cait yay! 14:19 druthb lol 14:23 jcamins Hehe. 14:24 magnuse gmcharlt: does it run koha? 14:25 oleonard jcamins: Did you give gmcharlt the robe and sceptre? 14:25 jcamins Oh, right. 14:25 * jcamins chucks the robe and sceptre at gmcharlt. 14:25 gmcharlt magnuse: heh - at the moment, it's running OpenSRF and I'm planning on sticking Evergreen on it just to see how well it does 14:25 jcamins gmcharlt: seriously? 14:25 jcamins Are you nuts? 14:26 jcamins I was on #evergreen begging for help finding services to disable with a 1GB VM! 14:26 gmcharlt jcamins: yes, but what does that have to do with anything? :) 14:26 gmcharlt to be clear, I'm not planning on running the database on it 14:26 rambutan EG on one PI, the indexer on another PI, the db on another pi....outta work 14:26 gmcharlt exactly 14:26 rambutan reports on another pi 14:26 jcamins gmcharlt: ah, so Postgres will be on a real computer? 14:27 druthb If I can try to get Koha breathing on an Asus EeePC 900A, with 2 GB of RAM and a 4 GB SSHD… hey, gmcharlt can doo eeet! 14:27 jcamins druthb: that's a whole lot more than 512MB of RAM. 14:27 druthb (I succeeded. Sort of. It ran, and would search, even and properly return hits from the four (!) db records I could put in there. 14:27 druthb Beastly slow. 14:28 Dyrcona gmcharlt is mad, don't you know.... :) 14:28 magnuse druthb: if it works it works :-) 14:28 druthb oh, totally, Dyrcona. Anyone who takes RM more than once *must* be. 14:28 magnuse so we have 6 months to figure out something fun to do with the raspberry pi + koha 3.14 combo :-) 14:29 magnuse druthb: or they have a short memory... 14:30 Dyrcona EG might work on a whole pile of Pi machines....We've wanted to try running multiple ejabberd servers for the communications, but I'm getting way off topic. 14:33 gmcharlt Dyrcona: indeed -- as long as one never gets to the point where a single drone process intentionally needs more RAM than the Pi can provide, a bunch of them should serve 14:34 gmcharlt not sure about ever (realistically) using one for PostgreSQL for anything larger than Concerto, of course 14:35 Dyrcona Our ejabberd uses the most RAM on our server, then all of the apaches. 14:35 Dyrcona The drones don't typically go much over 150MB each. 14:36 gmcharlt which of course implies the exciting possiblity of max_children = 2 or something like that :) 14:36 Dyrcona :) 14:36 jcamins I look forward to seeing the attempt, but I am dubious. 14:37 Dyrcona Koha in general has a smaller memory foot print than EG, no? <- Legitimate question. 14:37 jcamins And by "dubious" I mean "absolutely convinced it's going to be too painful to even get OpenSRF to *start* much less use it." 14:37 jcamins Dyrcona: yes. 14:38 Dyrcona jcamins: That is what I thought, but I've never really verified it for myself. 14:39 Dyrcona Well, if you used a Jabber server with a smaller memory usage than ejabberd, it might work for a stand alone, very small public library. 14:39 jcamins Dyrcona: just so long as they only have four books... 14:39 Dyrcona hah! 14:39 druthb Two books. One patron. Good to go. 14:46 tcohen does anyone what script puts koha-common.cron.d at /etc/cron.d/koha-common ? 14:46 tcohen s/anyone/anyone knows/ 14:47 druthb oleonard and others who monkey with browser-centricism…check this out: http://caniuse.com 14:48 oleonard Yeah, checked that the other day when I couldn't remember who supported PNG alpha transparency 14:50 oleonard It should be known also as the Internet Explorer hall of shame. 14:50 druthb hehehe 14:53 tcohen magnuse? 14:53 wahanui i think magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza. 14:54 oleonard That response is timeless because magnuse will always be eating pizza 14:55 tcohen heh 14:55 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10186: Fix a typo in subscription-add.tt : 2/years should be 2/year <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf2f95f0607f5bc20f757a6de7effd93334576fa> 14:56 tcohen need some help with packages install scripts, anyone? 15:01 cait maybe drojf 15:01 wahanui i think maybe drojf is more of a tinfoil hat person, but it sounds like that feature makes whoever runs that cover url caching server get paid by amazon? 15:02 tcohen need some help with packages install scripts, drojf? 15:03 drojf who? what? hi #koha :) 15:03 tcohen i wanted to know how the cron.* files are installed by the debian scripts 15:03 tcohen i want to add a new file, but couldn't find an example 15:04 tcohen (i thought koha-common.cron.d would be a good one) 15:04 drojf ah, you need help, not me. that is less confusing :) 15:05 tcohen ^o) 15:05 jcamins tcohen: I think that's just the way Debian packages work. 15:05 jcamins cron.d is automatically installed. 15:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10178 - Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=10098fbcc55aac04d7986a8ab799f1bf729172e5> / Bug 10191: Close 2 option tags in unimarc_field_115a.tt and unimarc_field_116.tt <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b92e35492c74cb2bd7c1d386bc5d3542bbd7123> 15:07 tcohen thanks jcamins, figured it out: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#initd 15:07 reiveune bye 15:08 drojf tcohen: what do you mean by "how" they are installed? how it works in the installation process or where they end up? 15:08 drojf (or something else) 15:09 tcohen jcamins gave me the right answer, I wanted to add a file for packages, and couldn't figure how to make the package building script handle it 15:10 tcohen i was looking at the koha-common.cron.d file as an example, and couldn't find references to it in the whole codebase 15:11 tcohen i want to propose a file /etc/default/koha-common for init scripts general configuration 15:11 tcohen and looks like just naming it koha-common.default will make it :-D 15:12 drojf yeah i think it is just copied to the respective folder when oyu do that 15:12 drojf *you 15:12 tcohen yes, there are several reserved file names that make it work as one would expect 15:12 tcohen .init .cron.daily, and so on) 15:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #1184 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) 15:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6399 - tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=14ac6cf11b19c3f1ca64c58bf520e7a9e5cf2f37> 15:16 drojf omg 15:16 drojf how devastating would it be to convert a koha mysql database from latin1 to utf8? 15:16 tcohen wouldn't it break the MARC/binary records? 15:16 oleonard Extinction of all life on Earth? 15:18 drojf oleonard: if it is that big i think it's cool ;) 15:18 drojf tcohen: not sure. they are broken now i guess 15:18 drojf that is how i found out about it 15:19 drojf i was testing a cataloging script and it did not work as it did on my vm. turns out i retrieve broken umlauts from mysql and the matching does not work 15:20 tcohen i guess longblob doesn't have an encoding set 15:21 tcohen so what i said doesn't apply 15:57 oleonard Working on the responsive aspect of the layout now: http://www.screencast.com/t/hPeeMN7WtONm 15:57 oleonard Haven't touched the top menu yet. 15:57 jcamins oleonard: nice! 15:57 oleonard Not sure about the search form... Wide submit button too weird? 15:58 jcamins Hmm... that is a bit weird, yeah. 15:58 oleonard CCSR rearranged the dropdowns so that they could come after the text input and be side by side. Looks nice in mobile but I'm not sure I like that as well at desktop width. 16:02 oleonard Twitter and Facebook both have full-width buttons on their login, Amazon and Google have a smaller left-aligned button. 16:03 oleonard Are there any competing ILSes which have good mobile sites? 16:03 jcamins oleonard: ummm... 16:03 * jcamins dies of laughter 16:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9508 follow-up : replacing tabs by spaces <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=791a1474162b74cd1317078d194a5c9c455c2f30> / Bug 9508: Standardize the dateformat value from C4::Auth <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=537c66403855437d2ce52eeb758fc009c7105633> 16:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1184: SUCCESS in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1184/ 16:24 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10186: Fix a typo in subscription-add.tt : 2/years should be 2/year 16:24 jenkins_koha * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10191: Close 2 option tags in unimarc_field_115a.tt and unimarc_field_116.tt 16:24 jenkins_koha * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10178 - Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21 16:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10186 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , Typo in subscription-add.tt (years vs year) 16:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10191 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , 2 option tags are not closed in unimarc_field_115a.tt and unimarc_field_116.tt 16:24 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10178 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21 16:26 jenkins_koha Starting build #1185 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 16:33 slef oleonard: is this about you? ;-) https://m.facebook.com/groups/6381238597?view=permalink&id=10151475771493598&_rdr Giovedì 23 maggio, in diretta streaming su www.biblionext.it, conosceremo i "Modern Leonardos" 16:36 oleonard Sadly I am no modern Leonardo, despite all the efforts of my art school teachers 16:50 * gmcharlt notes that the XSLT stylesheet selection code has several traps for the unwary 16:52 jcamins Yes indeed. 17:05 * magnuse lols at the mention of "competing ILSes which have good mobile sites" 17:06 magnuse oleonard: i am actually preparing a frozen pizza as we speak :-) 17:06 oleonard Well you're safe from me magnuse, I'm not filing any bugs. 17:08 magnuse :-) 17:08 pastebot "gmcharlt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "for magnuse, related to 8947 -- do you like the candidate order?" (44 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/20 17:09 * magnuse looks 17:09 magnuse bug 8947 17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8947 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED FIXED, Search does not work with CCSR theme and language = nb-NO 17:09 gmcharlt also relevant is bug 10292 17:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10292 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , XSLT files always taken from 'prog' theme for English 17:11 magnuse gmcharlt: i never looked too closely at how 8947 was solved, but that order seems to make sense, yes 17:12 magnuse btw: was that "Project Koha_master build #1184" the first patches pushed by gmcharlt for 3.13? 17:12 magnuse if so: woohoo! :-) 17:15 * jcamins wanders off for a shopping trip. 17:16 tcohen jcamins, u still have commit rights for 3.12, right? because I need that you 17:16 tcohen .. kidding :-P 17:17 * magnuse thinks tcohen should be happy he is not in the ny area now ;-) 17:18 gmcharlt magnuse: hmm, that reminds me... 17:21 magnuse huh, what'd i do now? 17:22 jcamins gmcharlt: speaking of commit rights -- and then I'm really going -- any chance you could put a sanitized version of the EG working repo gitolite/gitowhatever config somewhere? 17:22 gmcharlt jcamins: yeah, I'll toss that on my stack 17:23 gaetan_B bye ! 17:24 jcamins gmcharlt: thanks! No great rush, I just keep on forgetting to ask you. 17:25 * druthb blames gmcharlt. 17:25 gmcharlt druthb: for what? :) 17:25 druthb does it matter? You're a very responsible #koha person. Anything goes wrong, you're responsible. :P 17:26 * gmcharlt staggers 17:26 * gmcharlt is now squished flat 17:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: DBrev 3.13.00.000 -- onwards to Koha Pi! <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d51d6c5feb8e960f1080b686c298082799061ef8> 17:26 druthb Awr! 17:26 druthb Anything goes right, you're to blame for that, too. 17:27 * gmcharlt sproings back, like a cartoon character after the anvil is removed 17:27 * druthb takes her anvil, and tosses it around playfully 17:30 druthb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn-xTJQbR3g&feature=youtu.be&t=44s 17:31 magnuse gmcharlt++ for 3.13 17:31 magnuse @wunder boo 17:31 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0°C (7:20 PM CEST on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 17:31 magnuse w00t! 17:31 * magnuse wanders off to devour that pizza 17:32 druthb @wunder 77063 17:32 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 31.9°C (12:29 PM CDT on May 20, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Falling). 17:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1185: SUCCESS in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1185/ 17:36 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 6399 - tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma' 17:36 jenkins_koha * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9508: Standardize the dateformat value from C4::Auth 17:36 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 9508 follow-up : replacing tabs by spaces 17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6399 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , tooltip for tags that says 'separate by comma' 17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9508 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , the dateformat variable is not standardized in template files 17:38 jenkins_koha Starting build #1186 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 17:56 bag @seen cait 17:56 huginn bag: cait was last seen in #koha 2 hours, 55 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <cait> maybe drojf 17:58 * tcohen is in fear 17:58 druthb @seen bag 17:58 huginn druthb: bag was last seen in #koha 2 minutes and 20 seconds ago: <bag> @seen cait 17:58 druthb :P 18:01 tcohen ok, first push looks like worked 18:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2774 - Path to theme is hard-coded in many places <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=bfe6dc88d208e3622e3637665c62dcabf4e1d892> 18:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1186: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1186/ 18:49 jenkins_koha Galen Charlton: DBrev 3.13.00.000 -- onwards to Koha Pi! 18:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #41 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 18:51 oleonard gmcharlt: why "in discussion" for Bug 2774 instead of putting it back to "New" ? 18:51 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2774 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Path to theme is hard-coded in many places 18:52 gmcharlt oleonard: mostly because I tend to consider 'in discussion' to be more of an 'in progress' status, but if you prefer new, feel free to change it 18:52 oleonard I think of "in discussion" to be "we can't do anything with this bug because no one agrees on the proper solution" 18:55 gmcharlt fair enough 18:56 oleonard And wow we have more in-discussion bugs than I thought. 103. 19:00 jcamins tcohen++ 19:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10251: Fix typos in Patron Permissions Help <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6577645073a8670f67f4be2f544857a89a9cb245> 19:07 magnuse wow 103 in discussion? that's crazy 19:07 magnuse and 140 needs signoff 19:07 magnuse and 138 failed qa 19:08 magnuse we got some work to do... 19:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10288 - Fix a tiny typo on "Pending offline circulation actions" <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e76b1ac71a9652c06ddac09d81dcef4e5adaddf> 19:30 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.12.x build #41: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.12.x/41/ 19:30 jenkins_koha Mathieu Saby: Bug 10186: Fix a typo in subscription-add.tt : 2/years should be 2/year 19:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10186 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , Typo in subscription-add.tt (years vs year) 19:30 rangi tcohen++ 19:30 jenkins_koha Starting build #1187 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1185 3 hr 4 min ago) 19:30 rangi already pushing to 3.12.x 19:33 rangi @later tell bgkriegel I wont be pushing any more things to 3.10.x before the 3.10.6 release so you might want to mark where its at so you can start in a day or 2, ill be doing the release tomorrow or the day after 19:33 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded. 19:34 nengard hey all - i'm looking for some report help - i need a report for items that haven't circulated - the one I have is getting no results so any ideas? 19:35 jcamins Hey, you know what's nice? I no longer have to worry about jenkins! 19:36 magnuse success! \o/ tcohen++ 19:37 magnuse jcamins: you're freeeee! 19:38 rangi magnuse: the needs signoff has been building up since ive stopped signing off 19:38 rangi as im QAA for 3.14 19:38 rangi anythign i sign off i cant qa 19:39 * rangi needs someone to sub in for him 19:39 bag rangi if you sign off - let me know and I can QAA now :) 19:39 rangi oh true 19:39 bag or get pianohacker and khall to help out now :) 19:39 bag just let me know 19:39 rangi ill probably start again after 3.10.6 19:39 bag true that :D 19:39 rangi i want to get it under 100, both queues 19:39 rangi for the the whole release cycle 19:40 rangi that would be pretty sweet 19:40 jcamins I aim to sign off on approximately ten patches per month. 19:40 bag that would be sweet 19:40 rangi awesome jcamins 19:40 rangi if everyone matched that 19:40 rangi 0 queue :) 19:40 magnuse yay :-) 19:40 rangi i might add a new bit to the dashboard 19:41 rangi monthly target 19:41 rangi speaking of which 19:41 jcamins I'd love something that enables people to set personal goals and track them... 19:41 magnuse rangi: while you are in there, could you add the number for "in discussion"? 19:41 rangi http://questhub.io/perl/explore/latest/tag/Koha 19:42 rangi can do 19:42 rangi jcamins: ^^ 19:42 rangi that url does 19:42 magnuse that woul dbe neat 19:42 jcamins Perfect! 19:42 jcamins Right... now I shall figure out what it does. 19:42 rangi :) 19:43 rangi we could run our own 19:43 rangi https://github.com/berekuk/play-perl 19:43 rangi might be nicer 19:43 rangi goals.koha-community.org 19:43 magnuse yay! 19:43 rangi its super easy to install with vagrant 19:44 magnuse oh yeah? if it's so easy why don't you just do it? 19:44 * magnuse is trying to trick rangi :-) 19:44 rangi heh no more space on my linode 19:45 rangi gimme a server running debian and i will :) 19:45 * magnuse googles and finds http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Install_Koha_via_Chef_and_Vagrant 19:45 rangi yep that was corsair__ 19:46 rangi its pretty cool, needs updating, but worked when i tried it last 19:47 magnuse hm, i have plenty of space on my "misc" linode, but no time to look at it now 19:50 * rangi goes to take the kids to school 19:53 jcamins Alas, I should have made the illustrated release notes just a little bit longer. 19:54 magnuse why? 19:54 jcamins magnuse: you can't get a 14p booklet printed. 19:54 jcamins Well, not printed and bound, that is. 19:55 magnuse ah, 16 would have been better? 19:55 jcamins Yup. 19:55 jcamins Much. 19:56 jcamins So I'm trying to think of two more pages worth of content to add to the copy I have printed. 19:56 magnuse leave a couple pages for "your own notes" at the end 19:56 jcamins Or, I suppose, bring it to KohaCon and get it signed by folks. 19:56 magnuse ooh, cool idea! 19:58 jcamins Ooh, or maybe a full-page visualization of Koha's development history. 19:59 magnuse how would you do that? 19:59 jcamins magnuse: I was thinking of the cluster thing rangi had in his history... do one for the date of the release of 3.12.0 20:00 magnuse or print the gource visualaization as a flip-book-movie 20:00 jcamins lol 20:01 jcamins I only want to add two pages. 20:01 magnuse [off] /me looks out the window and sees http://www.flickr.com/photos/enger/8758209005/in/photostream/lightbox/ 20:01 magnuse well, a couple thousand pages might be cool too? ;-) 20:03 jcamins Possibly a little more than I want to spend on printing. 20:05 rangi this one? 20:05 wahanui it has been said that this one is cool as long as someone *wants* acknowledgement 20:06 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2011/11/04/nice-visualisation-of-when-work-is-done-on-koha/ 20:06 jcamins rangi: I was thinking of the one in your presentation showing the relationships. 20:06 rangi oh right 20:06 rangi yeah tidy that up 20:07 rangi http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz/2010/11/05/pretty-graph-showing-the-last-weeks-worth-of-merges/ is a fun one too 20:08 oleonard Bye everyone 20:08 rangi cya oleonard 20:08 rangi https://gitorious.org/chrisc_presentations/chrisc_presentations 20:08 rangi you can clone the repo if you want jcamins 20:08 jcamins Ooh, thanks! 20:09 rangi https://gitorious.org/chrisc_presentations/chrisc_presentations/blobs/raw/master/intro_pres/index.html#release 20:09 rangi or grab from there ) 20:09 rangi https://gitorious.org/chrisc_presentations/chrisc_presentations/blobs/raw/master/intro_pres/index.html#api <-- i like too 20:10 rangi based on a picture cait did 20:10 jcamins Ooh, I know what I want. 20:10 jcamins I want an organization chart that shows *everyone* who contributed. 20:10 rangi that slide was my answer to the 'platform' spiel 20:10 rangi ohhh 20:10 rangi good idea 20:11 rangi that would totally be doable 20:11 jcamins Like, not just "Patch author" but "Chris Cormack," etc., etc. 20:11 rangi but would take some time 20:11 rangi *nod* 20:11 jcamins And a printed version of the release notes is of vital importance right this moment? ;) 20:11 rangi how many authors in 3.12.0 ? 20:11 rangi 40ish? 20:11 jcamins ... I don't remember. 20:11 jcamins Something like that. 20:12 jcamins I'll run stats. 20:12 rangi yeah you could actually fit that i think 20:12 rangi maybe have to do it landscape 20:12 jcamins Yeah, but that's okay. 20:12 rangi and then ppl could sign their box at kohacon 20:12 rangi :-) 20:12 jcamins And I'd be okay with staggering the names being staggered. 20:12 rangi like a yearbook 20:12 rangi heh 20:13 jcamins With one fewer "stagger*." 20:13 rangi "most likely to go insane and volunteer for another release" 20:13 jcamins lol 20:13 jcamins When I told Shari I'd released, she said "How long was that? Seven months? You know, you could be most of the way to a child by now, and then your parents would have a grandchild for all the suffering." 20:14 rangi ok now it is actually time for school 20:14 magnuse lol 20:14 rangi bb from work 20:14 jcamins Bye. 20:14 magnuse have fun rangi 20:17 jcamins Oh, now I know why I haven't been running statistics recently. 20:18 jcamins I don't have gitdm. 20:31 msaby hello #koha 20:31 bag jcamins: WOW "When I told Shari I'd released, she said "How long was that? Seven months? You know, you could be most of the way to a child by now, and then your parents would have a grandchild for all the suffering." 20:31 bag I like Shari's play on the word released :P 20:32 jcamins bag: yep. That's why I dedicated 3.12 to the spouses. 20:32 bag ahhh sweet :D 20:35 msaby hi jcamins. I'm looking at bug 8519 (about zebra). not sure to understand the consequences for librairies. The commit message says the documentation will be updated later. Do you know if it was done? 20:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8519 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Make koha-index-daemon run on startup 20:35 jcamins I don't believe it was, but there are no consequences for libraries that don't go out of their way to set it up. 20:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1187: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/1187/ 20:41 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 2774 - Path to theme is hard-coded in many places 20:41 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 10251: Fix typos in Patron Permissions Help 20:41 jenkins_koha * Magnus Enger: Bug 10288 - Fix a tiny typo on "Pending offline circulation actions" 20:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2774 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, In Discussion , Path to theme is hard-coded in many places 20:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10251 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , typos in help/members/member-flags.tt 20:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=10288 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Tiny typo on "Pending offline circulation actions" 20:41 blahdeblah Hi. I'm looking for info on importing records from another system (Emilda). http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Import_MARC_to_Koha says it's obsolete - where should i look for current info? 20:42 blahdeblah (BTW, I've already got a working 3.10.05-1 installation.) 20:42 msaby jcamins: thank you 20:46 jcamins blahdeblah: I don't think we have any updated documentation aside from the manual. 20:48 blahdeblah jcamins: So http://manual.koha-community.org/3.10/en/catalogtools.html#stagemarc ? 20:48 jcamins Oh, was the question just about the actual importing step? 20:48 jcamins Yes, stage MARC is probably your best bet. 20:49 jcamins bulkmarcimport still exists, though, if you're importing a lot of records and don't want the added overhead. 20:49 blahdeblah jcamins: I have an Emilda system (which uses zebra), and i'm trying to work out how to bring in the whole database. 20:50 jcamins blahdeblah: yeah, that's another issue... you'll have to convert the data into something that Koha can use. 20:50 blahdeblah So just because it's MARC doesn't mean it will work? 20:50 jcamins For just importing MARC, the only thing you'll have to worry about is the item records. 20:51 jcamins @marc 952 20:51 wahanui The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 20:51 huginn jcamins: unknown tag 952 20:51 gmcharlt rangi: as near as I can make out, Jenkins did not seem to update the version stamp in its test DB 20:51 jcamins That link outlines what data needs to go where in 952 (or 995 if you're a UNIMARC user) for Koha to understand the item record. 20:51 jcamins gmcharlt: yeah, it has to be done manually. 20:52 jcamins blahdeblah: however, that leaves all your patrons, circulation records, etc. still in Koha. 20:52 blahdeblah I only really care about the bibliographic data 20:53 jcamins Good. That's easy. You just have to export the MARC, modify the item information from Emilda into Koha's 952/995 fields, and import it using stage MARC records (my preference) or bulkmarcimport (not my preference). 20:54 blahdeblah What is the difference between staging and importing? 20:54 jcamins blahdeblah: staging puts the records in a reservoir, and from there you import them by clicking the import button. 20:54 blahdeblah Do you have to click on every record? 20:54 jcamins No. 20:54 jcamins You just click the import button once to import the batch. 20:54 blahdeblah OK 20:55 blahdeblah So it's sort of like a preview-before-import function? 20:55 jcamins I prefer that because it gives me a preview so I can confirm that my records look basically like I expected. 20:55 blahdeblah heh 20:55 blahdeblah I take it a batch can be discarded as well? 20:55 jcamins Yup. 20:55 jcamins And once it's imported you click "Clean," and Koha cleans up after itself so that the batch isn't taking up space (just the records in their final home). 20:56 blahdeblah cool - thanks 20:56 blahdeblah So all i really need to work out is the 952/995 deal 20:56 jcamins Yup. 20:56 magnuse is there still a limit on how many records you can stage/import? 20:56 jcamins Are you using MARC21 or UNIMARC? 20:56 blahdeblah No idea 20:56 jcamins magnuse: not to my knowledge. I've done 200k. 20:56 magnuse oh cool 20:57 jcamins blahdeblah: if your file is too large to upload, there's a stage_file.pl script. 20:57 blahdeblah It won't be too large 20:57 jcamins blahdeblah: where are you located? 20:57 blahdeblah It's my personal library - only about 1300 items 20:57 blahdeblah .au 20:57 jcamins Probably MARC21, then. 20:58 jcamins If the titles appear in field 245, it's MARC21. 20:58 blahdeblah That's what /etc/koha/koha-sites.conf seems to indicate 20:58 jcamins The question is what format your data is in in Emilda. 20:58 jcamins Converting between MARC21 and UNIMARC is very difficult. 20:58 blahdeblah I'll see if i can work that out 20:59 magnuse oops someone needs to do a little checkup on their webpage http://www.emilda.org/ 20:59 jcamins Well, based on the screenshot on Sourceforge, it's MARC21. 20:59 jcamins magnuse: yeah, I noticed that. 21:00 jcamins I see why you're migrating away... looks like abandonware. 21:01 blahdeblah It has been for quite some time 21:02 blahdeblah I just haven't had a chance to look at it for ages, and because the site isn't Internet-exposed, i haven't been too concerned about security. 21:04 * magnuse does the sensible thing and calls it a day - have fun #koha! 21:04 blahdeblah jcamins: Since it Emilda already uses Zebra, is there a way i can just point Koha at the data and have it pull it in? 21:04 jcamins Nope. 21:04 jcamins Zebra is used only for indexing. 21:05 blahdeblah ah 21:05 blahdeblah So the MARC data will be in the database somewhere? 21:06 blahdeblah I got the impression from reading about Zebra that it was the master store of MARC data. 21:06 jcamins Right. 21:06 jcamins Really? 21:06 wahanui Really is off now 21:06 jcamins Yikes! 21:06 jcamins Certainly it's not the master store for Koha, and I would hope it wasn't for Emilda either. 21:07 blahdeblah I'm no expert on this - and it's been a long time since i touched it 21:07 jcamins I'd give even odds that you're remembering correctly. 21:07 jcamins Hopefully Emilda has some sort of export function. 21:08 blahdeblah It's all LAMP, so hopefully the worst it could be is that i'll have to do a custom mysql query. 21:11 * blahdeblah heads to breakfast - thanks for the help, jcamins 21:16 jcamins I have about a pound and a half of flour that doesn't fit in the bucket. 21:17 jcamins Guess I'd better bake something. 21:17 jcamins What should I bake? 21:18 rangi gmcharlt: should be fixed now 21:18 gmcharlt rangi: thanks 21:18 gmcharlt is there something that can be done to automate it? or alternatively, can I have access? 21:19 rangi ill automate it again, and yep you can ask biblibre for access that would be fine (it's their box) 21:19 rangi i can give you jenkins admin access tho 21:19 rangi whats your username? 21:20 jcamins rangi: happy birthday! 21:21 rangi thanks 21:22 gmcharlt rangi: gmcharlt (and if you could do a password reset, that would be great) 21:22 rangi will do 21:25 jcamins Beer batter bread, I guess. 21:25 jcamins I have all these fermented dandelion things that I want to use up. 21:26 wizzyrea O.o 21:27 wizzyrea jcamins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9v2S49sHeQ 21:28 jcamins wizzyrea: that's the tagin recipe? 21:28 jcamins *tagine 21:28 wizzyrea ya 21:28 jcamins Cool, thanks! 21:29 NateC hey rangi 21:29 NateC HAPPY BIRTHDAY DOOOD 21:29 rangi thanks NateC 21:29 NateC :) 21:32 rangi upgrading jenkins now 21:33 jcamins Okay... what goes into my beer batter bread. 21:33 jcamins Well, fermented dandelion batter bread. 21:33 rangi thats what i do on my 40th, upgrade continious integration servers... it's all parties all the time! 21:35 jcamins http://www.myrecipes.com/recipe/onion-fontina-beer-batter-bread-10000001141994/ <-- this one? 21:38 wizzyrea that looks pretty yum 21:41 rangi http://blogs.perl.org/users/kirk_kimmel/2013/05/parallel-forking-and-process-management.html 21:41 rangi ^^ useful 21:42 talljoy happy birthday rangi 21:42 rangi http://perlmaven.com/how-to-capture-and-save-warnings-in-perl <-- that too 21:42 rangi thanks talljoy 22:02 khall_away happy bday rangi! 22:03 blahdeblah Hmmm.. jcamins: looks like in Emilda all biblio is indeed stored in Zebra - the book table is just a reference to the record id, and they access it via a yaz call 22:06 rangi thanks khall_away 22:11 cait happy birthday rangi! 22:12 rangi thanks :) 22:12 bag YAY happy birthday rangi 22:12 bag I love birthday parties! 22:13 cait who doesn't? :) 22:16 jcamins blahdeblah: looks like you'll be using yaz to extract the data if there's no export option. 22:16 blahdeblah It appears that everything's in raw MARC files 22:17 blahdeblah I was able to dump one with marcdump and it appeared sane 22:17 blahdeblah (to my untrained eye) 22:17 blahdeblah I'm going to try staging a record and see what happens 22:17 jcamins Oh, of course. 22:19 blahdeblah That seemed to work sweetly 22:19 blahdeblah Can MARC files just be concatenated, or is there something i need to do to put everything in one file? 22:19 jcamins They can be concatenated. 22:20 * blahdeblah rubs hands and has a shot at it 22:31 blahdeblah Well, that seemed to go OK 22:31 blahdeblah It imported 1335 records, and 12 items 22:31 blahdeblah Not sure what the difference between those is 22:31 jcamins The former are bibliographic records, the latter would be physical items, with call numbers, etc. 22:32 blahdeblah Urrgh - that's not good 22:32 blahdeblah There should be 1335 items 22:32 blahdeblah Is there a way to bulk-create matching items? 22:32 jcamins That's what the 952 conversion was for. 22:32 jcamins Not really, no. 22:33 jcamins You could write a script that would create an item for each bibliographic record. 22:34 blahdeblah That page you linked to didn't seem to indicate what needed to be done to allow import of holdings. Am i missing something? 22:35 jcamins That page describes what data goes where. 22:35 jcamins It is your responsibility to find that data in your existing records and put it in those places. 22:35 blahdeblah OK 22:35 blahdeblah So if we set up some sort of transform it should be possible to copy the holdings data on import? 22:35 jcamins Yes. 22:39 blahdeblah OK, so it seems to use 852 for holdings as mentioned in that wiki page 22:47 tcohen The Dude 22:47 DOOD rangi: best nick ever ^^^^ 22:48 DOOD yeah I'm an idiot I just thought of it - I should have been DOOD before bag 22:48 rangi heh 22:48 tcohen rangi, i pushed smth :-D 22:50 tcohen i started with a really simple one (string patch) 22:50 tcohen tomorrow i'll continue with 10178 i guess 22:50 cait tcohen++ 22:51 bag I feel so much less cool now 22:51 blahdeblah OK, i'm still not understanding what needs to happen in order to mangle 852 to 952 on import. Is there any further info other than http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Holdings_data_fields_%289xx%29 ? 22:51 tcohen oh, leaving, bye cait 22:51 cait blahdeblah: for koha 852 are useless, you need to map your item data for 952 22:52 cait i mean, the data needs to have it, koha is not going to do anything with it on import 22:52 cait hm I am confusing 22:52 rangi nice :) 22:52 blahdeblah cait: jcamins seemed to imply that it would be possible to copy it 22:52 rangi yes, you would need to copy it 22:52 rangi koha wont do that for you 22:53 blahdeblah Any tips on how to do that? 22:53 rangi you could use something like marcedit 22:53 cait thx rangi :) 22:53 cait good night all! 22:54 blahdeblah rangi: Is that a Koha tool, or does it come from somewhere else? 22:54 rangi not a koha tool 22:54 rangi there are lots of perl tools for manipulating MARC records or there is marcedit with is free of cost but proprietary 22:55 blahdeblah I'm pretty comfortable with perl scripting, but happy to use another tool if it's going to be fast and easy 22:55 blahdeblah s/happy/prefer/ 22:55 rangi ive never used marcedit 22:56 rangi but people seem to like it 22:56 blahdeblah Does it do bulk changes? 22:56 rangi like i said, ive never used it 22:56 blahdeblah I'll have a look at it 22:58 eythian hi 22:58 wahanui que tal, eythian 23:01 wizzyrea cjh++ for excellent serials documentation 23:01 wizzyrea hi eythian :D 23:02 cjh I still have some local notes I have to put on the wiki at some point 23:16 rangi mtj: your 2nd key should be added now 23:59 Brooke kia ora 23:59 Brooke He rÄ whÄnau koa ki a koe