IRC log for #koha, 2013-02-21

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00:11 dcook Ack
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00:12 dcook Ok, back to what I'm supposed to be doing...
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00:27 mtj hi all
00:27 mtj bgkriegel, the README for koha-qa.pl mentions the perlcriticrc setup
00:27 mtj https://github.com/Koha-Community/koha-qa-test
00:27 mtj step 2 :)
00:27 mtj 2/ copy perlcriticrc file to your home dir (important!)
00:27 mtj $ cp /path/to/your/koha-qa-tools/perlcriticrc ~/
00:29 mtj hmmm, actually why doesnt koha-qa.pl attempt to use  ./koha/perlcriticrc instead
00:29 mtj … that would be better, and would mean that people dont have to overwrite their ~/perlcriticrc file
00:33 * dcook wonders if anyone has a bug squashing theme song...
00:33 mtj bgkriegel, aaah, reading back properly - it looks like you have already done step 2, sorry! :)
00:37 mtj dcook, i think the default rule applies … Motörhead
00:41 dcook mtj: Hmm...not bad
00:42 mtj i recently saw a bizzare recipe for a chocolate cake that had avocado and… fresh coconut meat?!
00:42 mtj … on some foody tv show, it looked very impressive
00:42 * dcook wishes that he had a publicly accessible image of the coconut that he demolished the other day in search of fresh coconut meat
00:44 mtj the show was about 2 people that owned a vegen food-catering company, for big events
00:45 mtj coconut meat was their secret ingredient, apparently :)
00:46 dcook Hmm, neato!
00:46 dcook Did we remove Amazon Reviews at some point, or am I missing some sys prefs in my dev install?
00:47 * dcook seems to remember some conversation about enhanced content on koha-devel recently
00:47 mtj yep, they got removed recently, to a round of cheers :p
00:47 dcook Cheers?
00:48 jcamins Jeers.
00:48 jcamins Whatever. :P
00:49 jcamins We were happy, snide remarks were made about Amazon. :)
00:49 dcook Ah, that sounds familiar ;)
00:50 jcamins The avocado brownies fail to excite me.
00:50 dcook In reality or the recipe?
00:50 jcamins The recipe.
00:51 jcamins I feel like that's not really taking advantage of avocado.
00:51 dcook Koha master and baker? Is there anything you don't know, jcamins? :P
00:52 jcamins It's the sort of thing you'd come up with to serve brownies to a vegan, but not necessarily something you'd come up with to show off the chocolate-avocado pairing.
00:52 dcook Mmm
00:52 mtj dcook, we concluded that koha no longer complies with amazon's TOS
00:52 dcook mtj: Ah, right. That was the ticket!
00:52 jcamins dcook: I don't know much about carpentry.
00:53 mtj .. so, removing the amazon code seems like the only option we had
00:53 dcook Makes sense, mtj
00:53 dcook jcamins: Good to know on both counts ;). Are you vegan yourself or non-dairy for other reasons?
00:53 jcamins Actually, I eat lots of dairy.
00:53 dcook Such as not enough butter in the fridge?
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00:53 jcamins ^^ bingo
00:54 dcook Makes sense
00:54 jcamins I have a single stick of butter, and no chocolate -- just cocoa -- which complicates baking.
00:54 jcamins However, I also had 6 avocados in the house, 3 of which needed to be used today.
00:55 jcamins So I used two in dinner (fingerling potatos baked then sautéed with garlic and onion served with an avocado-goat cheese dressing), and the third is going into dessert.
00:55 dcook Ergo the baking
00:55 jcamins Yup. :)
00:55 dcook Mmm
00:56 dcook You've made me acutely aware that it is lunch time and I am hungry
00:56 jcamins lol
00:56 jcamins You're welcome.
00:56 dcook ...and not in the position to have such a delicious meal :p
00:56 jcamins I'm almost tempted to make these, or something like them: http://catesworldkitchen.com/2[…]-oatmeal-cookies/
00:57 jcamins The thing about oatmeal cookies is they tend to be dry.
00:57 dcook True
00:57 wizzyrea not the koha ones
00:57 wizzyrea the oatmeal coconut curry ones
00:57 jcamins So I'm thinking this is the _perfect_ showcase for for the rich yumminess that is avocado.
00:57 dcook That's why I either eat them right out of the oven or re-introduce them to heat
00:57 wizzyrea I have made them many times
00:57 jcamins wizzyrea: true, those always come out great.
00:58 dcook oatmeal coconut curry?
00:58 * dcook 's brain explodes
00:58 jcamins !
00:58 jcamins dcook is horribly deprived!
00:58 wizzyrea bug 5158
00:58 jcamins curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies?
00:58 wahanui curried coconut oatmeal chocolate chip cookies are at http://www.cookiemadness.net/2[…]ate-chip-cookies/
00:58 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5158 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, camins, ASSIGNED , Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors
00:58 dcook For a moment, I thought you said depraved :p
00:58 jcamins lol
00:58 jcamins Only if you object to the ultimate awesomeness that is those cookies.
00:59 wizzyrea I have made them lots of times, sometimes with chocolate, sometimes without, sometimes with fruit, sometimes without
00:59 wizzyrea sometimes with curry, sometimes without
00:59 jcamins wizzyrea: the problem is I want chocolate, and adding cocoa powder to those is never as satisfying as I wish.
00:59 jcamins (and we don't have any other chocolate)
00:59 jcamins Why yes, I _have_ managed to come up with the most absurd set of constraints ever.
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01:00 wizzyrea oh you should taste the chocolate they have here -
01:00 wizzyrea I'm trying to find it on their website but it is in flash
01:00 wizzyrea >.<
01:01 * jcamins would take any chocolate right about now!
01:01 riba O HAI
01:01 wizzyrea http://www.whittakers.co.nz/#/[…]ts/darkghanapips/ this kind but in blocks
01:02 wizzyrea anyway it's amazing.
01:02 ribasushi I was idly googling and saw this bugthread http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=8798#c27
01:02 huginn Bug 8798: enhancement, P3, ---, elliott, Signed Off , Add the use of DBIx::Class
01:02 ribasushi there is a thing there about a warning that seems to confuse everyone
01:02 ribasushi I can help clarify if anyone is interested
01:03 * dcook thinks he needs to close his chat window or his body might devour itself from the inside out
01:03 jcamins ribasushi: yes please!
01:04 ribasushi jcamins: where can I look at the code in question? (link to the file with the warning-emitting relationship is best)
01:04 jcamins Unfortunately, all the code is just on the bug at the moment: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=12480
01:04 ribasushi that'll do - reading
01:10 ribasushi jcamins: right, so the warning is correct - you are doing something wonky
01:10 ribasushi here is your Borrower: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/23163[…]submit=Format+it!
01:11 ribasushi and here is your Patronimage: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/23163[…]submit=Format+it!
01:11 jcamins Right.
01:11 ribasushi what you are trying to express is "A borrower may optionally be related to a Patronimage, by storing the Patronimage PK in a column of Borrower"
01:12 ribasushi for this you do not use might_have
01:12 ribasushi you use
01:13 rangi so it's  DBIx::Class::Schema::Loader doing something wonky, since those are all generated (not human authored) files :)
01:13 ribasushi belongs_to ( $relname, $target_whose_reference_we_hold, $column_where_we_hold_reference, { join_type => 'left' } ) <--- last bit to indicate optionality (there isn't a might_belong_to, eben though there ought to be)
01:13 ribasushi while on the other side there got to be: Patronimage->might_have (... )
01:13 ribasushi right, S::L is at fault here
01:14 rangi cool, well they all need to be regened anyway being now totally out of date
01:14 ribasushi please check if latest version off CPAN generates the same crap, and if it does file an RT, with a dump of both of your tables in question
01:14 ribasushi an SQL-dump that is
01:14 ribasushi HTH
01:14 jcamins Thanks!
01:14 rangi thanks, yes it does
01:16 ribasushi I don't do much IRC lately, but you can hit me at ribasushi@cpan.org if you get stuck down the road
01:16 rangi excellent thank you
01:16 ribasushi I am dgital packrat, library-related stuff always has a special place in my mind ;)
01:16 ribasushi aye, happy to help
01:17 rangi oh, random question .. we were thinking of looking into DBIx::Class::Schema::Versioned
01:17 ribasushi not recommended
01:17 rangi worth investigating, or do you have a better idea for tracking db changes
01:17 rangi cool
01:17 rangi that answers that
01:17 ribasushi look into DBIx::Class::Migrations instead
01:17 rangi sweet
01:17 ribasushi more complicated due to being much more comprehensive and flexible, but worth the curve
01:18 ribasushi ::Versioned will leave you by the side of the road half-way
01:18 ribasushi (it was the best folks could come up at the time, times change)
01:18 rangi *nod*
01:20 rangi well that's my weekend sorted then :)
01:20 ribasushi btw it used to emit incomprehensible warnings on STDERR (Devel::Pekk dumps) due to a set of fails stacking together to make baby jesus cry
01:20 ribasushi so make sure you get a fresh depchain off CPAN (it got fixed like 3 days ago)
01:20 rangi ahh cool
01:28 ribasushi aight I'll be on my way, good luck with the project and ask for help if anything &
01:30 mtj wow, that was a pretty awesome fly-by :)
01:31 wizzyrea hehe yea
01:41 dcook Neato
01:41 * dcook just re-read the scrollback
01:42 dcook Glad to know that other people outside the library world are interested in library-related stuff
02:04 mtj ^^ hey liblime, thats why you have an open bug-tracking database to your open-source software
02:06 jcamins Heh.
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02:30 * dcook waves
02:30 dcook Hi Irma
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05:51 rangi hmm opinions on bug 5888
05:51 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5888 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , opac-detail subject/author links improvements
05:51 rangi do we want that in 3.10 and 3.8 ?
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06:09 dcook I'm of no opinion on that one, rangi.
06:09 dcook Just noticed that syspref today actually
06:09 * dcook is trying to figure out how to specify different default values for authorities...
06:11 rangi i think i might leave it, in the interests of stability
06:11 rangi 2 patches in 3.10.3 for you
06:14 dcook Hmm
06:15 dcook The Bib1 one isn't a big deal, but I'm glad that subtype one got in
06:17 dcook Mmm, neato
06:17 dcook Sys pref "MARCAuthorityControlField008" ftw
06:18 dcook The authorities frameworks could probably benefit from an import/export function like the biblios one...
06:19 dcook Well, maybe not. Like you said the other day, it's probably faster just to use the Web UI to add RDA tags for the MARC Authority frameworks..
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06:21 rangi the import and export is good
06:21 rangi because once someone else has done one
06:21 rangi they can put it on the wiki
06:21 rangi saving someone else doing it
06:21 dcook That would be convenient
06:22 dcook Shall I put out a report for an enhancement?
06:22 dcook I probably won't have time to look at that for a while, but at least the idea would be out there
06:22 dcook Or is that more of a koha-devel thing?
06:23 rangi probably more of a koha-devel one
06:23 rangi hi cait
06:23 cait hi rangi and dcook
06:23 dcook hey cait :)
06:23 rangi and we could notify the existance of the frameworks page on the wiki more widely too
06:24 dcook Mmm, very true. I imagine that there are quite a few useful frameworks out there that could be added to that
06:24 dcook I'd actually like to update the RDA framework you have there as well..
06:24 * dcook makes notes to self
06:25 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/MARC_frameworks
06:25 rangi yep go for it
06:26 rangi ok gotta read bedtime stories bbiab
06:26 dcook ta, rangi
06:27 dcook Trip go well, cait?
06:27 cait hm yeah think so
06:29 * dcook ooohs and ahhhs over the Authority detail pages. Frameworks that work? Very possibly...
06:31 dcook Not sure? Or just tired? :P
06:33 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #67: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/67/
06:33 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8079 - opac not showing fines - says 'no'
06:33 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9615 - Combine staff home page images into single sprite
06:33 jenkins_koha * Vitor FERNANDES: BUG 9145: Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC
06:33 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 9145 : Bumping database version
06:33 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8079 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , opac not showing fines - says 'no'
06:33 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Combine staff home page images into single sprite
06:33 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9145 major, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Pushed to Stable , Authorities: standard language for UNIMARC
06:33 jenkins_koha Starting build #275 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:34 dcook All right, I have to head out!
06:35 dcook Leaving work before 6pm for once, cait :P
06:35 * dcook waves
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07:00 rangi wb cait
07:00 cait thx rangi
07:00 cait bed time stories all read? :)
07:00 rangi yup
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07:12 jenkins_koha * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8079 - opac not showing fines - says 'no'
07:12 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 9615 - Combine staff home page images into single sprite
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07:12 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8079 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , opac not showing fines - says 'no'
07:12 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9615 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Combine staff home page images into single sprite
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07:29 alex_a bonjour
07:29 wahanui privet, alex_a
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07:31 reiveune hello
07:31 wahanui salut, reiveune
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07:46 christophe_c hello
07:50 * magnuse waves
07:50 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:50 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 0.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
07:51 magnuse @wunder konstanz
07:51 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -3.5°C (8:45 AM CET on February 21, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
07:51 magnuse @wunder boo
07:51 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 21, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
07:51 magnuse woohoo!
07:53 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #68: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/68/
07:53 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Release notes for 3.10.3
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08:02 magnuse rangi++
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08:20 francharb hi
08:20 wahanui hey, francharb
08:27 rangi hi francharb
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08:33 rangi hmm im not sure paul meant that comment how it sounds
08:33 rangi http://koha-community.org/koha[…]n13/registration/
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08:33 rangi unless biblibre do share beds :)
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08:46 drojf rangi: why not? coziness++ ;)
08:50 kf heh
08:51 magnuse frenchism suspected? ;-)
08:53 rangi :)
08:53 rangi paul would take up too much of the bed :)
08:57 kf heh
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09:23 rangi hmm drojf do you know that person from berlin?
09:24 rangi (mailing list)
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10:40 kf rangi++
10:42 drojf how likely is koha to explode with zebrasrv and daemon running simultaneously?
10:42 slef Berlin is a small city.  Everyone knows everyone else in it.
10:43 slef drojf: isn't that normal?
10:47 drojf ah, i mixed that up with the zebraqueue thing
10:48 slef oic
10:48 drojf that really got me confused for a minute :)
10:57 jcamins rangi: no, 5888 should not be backported.
11:17 magnuse good very early morning jcamins
11:17 magnuse bug 5888
11:17 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5888 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , opac-detail subject/author links improvements
11:17 jcamins magnuse: Good morning to you too.
11:21 drojf if i would like to mirror exactly all packages i need for a koha installation locally, would there be an easy way to do that?
11:22 jcamins drojf: yes, but there are two different ways to do it.
11:22 jcamins It's possible to set up an apt mirror, which I do not know how to do.
11:23 jcamins It's also possible to set up an apt cache, and automatically seed it.
11:23 jcamins I use apt-cacher-ng.
11:23 drojf thanks, i will look into that
11:23 kf drojf: I think the problem is you will be totally disconnected from the outside world? or almots?
11:24 drojf not sure yet. planned is "almost", possbile is "completely"
11:26 jcamins apt-cacher-ng is probably the way to go, then.
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12:22 drojf is the package koha (not -common) usable?
12:22 jcamins No.
12:23 drojf ah found it on the wiki
12:23 drojf "koha is similar, but provides a single site. At the moment  however, this site can't be managed by the tools that come with the  package, and so you will need to set up the cron jobs and zebra for it  yourself. See bug 5071 for plans to fix this. It is not recommend that you use this package yet. "
12:23 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5071 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Make the 'koha' package set things up so that zebra etc. just work
12:25 magnuse just use koha-common and create one instance instead... :-)
12:26 drojf magnuse: i had a library say that they tried packages and zebra did not work. turns out that was the koha package
12:26 magnuse ouch!
12:27 jcamins I'm not sure why we still have it, since it's never going to be fixed.
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12:28 drojf yeah it seems to be confusing
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12:33 jcamins @later tell eythian Is there a reason not to just remove the koha package, since fixing it would take more time than we have?
12:33 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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12:42 nengard yes
12:42 nengard fora while now
12:43 drojf yeah i just found logs from 2011
12:43 nengard :)
12:45 drojf oh i actually have a lot of mails from him in my inbox. i guess i never saw the address
12:45 drojf or… forgot about it. with my brain these days…
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12:46 drojf i typed 'sidney' to search for it, and things like that are going on all day :D
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13:28 * drojf doesn't understand what the multiple installation email means
13:28 jcamins drojf: s/he used the tarball to install multiple instances without changing installation directories.
13:29 tcohen koha pakage should be removed, and koha-common renamed koha
13:29 tcohen good morning BTW
13:29 drojf but why would you use the packages to install dependencies and then set up libraries manually?
13:29 jcamins tcohen: or koha-common left as is, in anticipation of the day koha works.
13:30 jcamins drojf: because you want to make life difficult.
13:30 jcamins I'm responding to say "use packages.
13:30 jcamins *"
13:31 drojf ah, make life difficult makes sense. so i am not missing the part why packages wouldn't work ;)
13:31 tcohen jcamins, in that case, we should remove koha
13:31 jcamins tcohen: yup, I left a message for eythian about that. :)
13:32 tcohen ;)
13:44 liw the koha .deb is broken? oh no, my legacy!
13:51 magnuse tee hee
13:52 magnuse did the koha package ever work? koha-common works nicely, of course
14:03 jcamins Things that are weird: Facebook DOSing my server.
14:03 drojf from the wiki i take that it installs koha, just all the fancy stuff does not work
14:03 drojf jcamins: huh?
14:04 jcamins drojf: actually, it doesn't work at all so far as I know.
14:04 jcamins drojf: every night around eleven, one of my servers gets DOSed.
14:04 drojf ouch
14:04 drojf by facebook?
14:04 jcamins This time I had logs and could see who did it.
14:04 jcamins Facebook.
14:04 wahanui somebody said facebook was *not* a universal authenticator!
14:04 jcamins No, but it is a DOSer.
14:04 drojf lol
14:04 drojf that's weird
14:05 jcamins Very!
14:05 drojf abuse@facebook.com ?
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14:06 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update serial receive image
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14:06 magnuse jcamins: what is it requesting?
14:06 magnuse does the server run koha or something else?
14:09 jcamins Koha.
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14:15 magnuse jcamins: weird :-)
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14:21 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update serials images with new buttons
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14:27 tcohen oleonard, about patterns
14:27 tcohen hmm, better check he is here first
14:29 tcohen anyone that has written GUI stuff?
14:29 jcamins He is not. :P
14:29 tcohen i wan't to check the input the user provided, and provide him with a dialog so he confirms the "save" action
14:30 tcohen my question is, should I pass his input to the template as hidden form fields?
14:30 tcohen so if he picks "save anyway" i have the data in that context?
14:30 tcohen how do we do it on checkout?
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14:31 tcohen am i clear?
14:35 magnuse tcohen: a javascript alert ok/cancel might save you a lot of work?
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14:36 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add anonomize patron cron
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14:36 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add anonomize patron cron
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14:36 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: add anonomize patron cron
14:37 tcohen thanks magnuse, the problem is I can only validate against DB
14:37 tcohen do u remember some piece of gui code that uses AJAX for that purpose?
14:39 magnuse ah, guess i read your question too quickley
14:40 magnuse sounds like the duplicate check that is done when adding a new marc record through the cataloguing interface?
14:40 magnuse no idea how that is handled behind the scenes, though
14:43 tcohen ok, that's a good one, at least i have a place to start
14:43 tcohen thanks
14:45 magnuse np
14:45 bgkriegel jcamins: signed last patch of bug 9587. Shuld I put state as signed-off so someone do QA?
14:45 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9587 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , Allow login via mozilla persona - https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/persona/
14:45 bgkriegel hi tcohen
14:46 tcohen hola bgkriegel
14:46 jcamins bgkriegel: you can leave it as "Passed QA," I think. Chris was addressing a last issue that I encountered when preparing to push.
14:47 bgkriegel jcamins: I put another 2 questions
14:47 jcamins Yeah, I'm okay with (1) as it is, but (2) is an important one to address.
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14:48 bgkriegel ok
14:50 * jcamins sent an e-mail to Facebook's abuse address and got an automated response telling him to go to www.facebook.com/help
14:51 jcamins Thanks for that, Facebook.
15:18 Dyrcona jcamins: At least they didn't tell you to go to Hell....Oh, wait a minute..... :)
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15:19 jcamins lol
15:20 magnuse Hell is a place just outside Trondheim, Norway ;-)
15:21 jcamins magnuse: and my sources say it is unpleasantly cold there.
15:21 magnuse @wunder hell, norway
15:21 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Cobblestone Creek, Pinckney, Michigan is -5.8°C (10:15 AM EST on February 21, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
15:21 jcamins @wunder 11375
15:21 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is -0.6°C (10:10 AM EST on February 21, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: -12.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
15:21 magnuse um, that looks like complete guesswork, huginn
15:22 jcamins lol
15:23 Dyrcona @wunder hel, norway
15:23 huginn Dyrcona: Error: No such location could be found.
15:23 Dyrcona Ah well.
15:23 nengard @wunder hell
15:23 huginn nengard: The current temperature in Cobblestone Creek, Pinckney, Michigan is -5.8°C (10:20 AM EST on February 21, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
15:23 nengard hmmm
15:24 nengard @wunder 19030
15:24 huginn nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is -1.8°C (10:15 AM EST on February 21, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
15:24 Dyrcona I guess Hell has frozen over.
15:24 nengard BRRRR
15:24 nengard HA!!
15:24 Dyrcona @wunder 01845
15:24 jcamins magnuse: maybe you need to put a line through the e?
15:24 huginn Dyrcona: The current temperature in WB1CHU, Lawrence, Massachusetts is -2.8°C (10:21 AM EST on February 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1010 hPa (Rising).
15:24 jcamins Very nice.
15:24 magnuse @wunder trd
15:24 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Villmarkstoppen, Norway is 0.4°C (4:22 PM CET on February 21, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling).
15:24 Dyrcona It's warmer in Norway than here.....
15:25 magnuse that should be an airport that is pretty close
15:25 magnuse @wunder boo
15:25 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0°C (3:50 PM CET on February 21, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
15:25 magnuse woohoo! (and remember, that is nort of the arctic circle ;-)
15:25 magnuse @wunder marseille
15:25 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (4:00 PM CET on February 21, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
15:25 magnuse nice
15:26 magnuse jcamins: or a small ring over it
15:26 k1 good morning, Yesterday I mentioned that I have difficulty with IPV6 and SIP server on an older version (3.8.3). I got some advice to use the latest version 3.8.9.  I listened and installed every from the scratch ( ubuntu 12.04 server and Koha 3.8.9). But noting really changed. I still get this error when I try to open a telnet session: “Bad arg length for so
15:27 jcamins Did you try atz's suggestion?
15:29 k1 You mean to make changes to the file Net::Server (ipv=>4)
15:30 jcamins Yes.
15:31 jcamins Though I suspect you can do the same thing in the configuration file.
15:31 liw magnuse, the koha .deb certainly worked for me in 2010
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15:34 k1 which file and where do I need to change, can i make these changes to sipconfig.xml?
15:34 magnuse liw: ah, cool
15:35 jcamins k1: I have no idea, unfortunately.
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15:38 oleonard Hi #koha
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15:41 nengard hi oleonard
15:46 tcohen hi oleonard
15:47 tcohen do u have a second?
15:47 tcohen (well 2 minutes actually)
15:48 oleonard Do you mean me tcohen? If so, yes
15:48 tcohen i wrote the code for the report warnings
15:48 tcohen but needed some advise on how you handle warnings on the gui
15:49 tcohen what i did is pass the template everything the user put there
15:49 tcohen as hidden form fields, and provide a warning message with a button "save anyway"
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15:50 tcohen is it ok to handle it like that?
15:50 tcohen or do u have some ajax-ish way of doing it
15:50 oleonard I think what you describe sounds reasonable
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15:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update audience search examples
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15:51 jenkins_koha * Nicole C. Engard: update patron search
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15:51 jenkins_koha Nicole C. Engard: update audience search examples
15:51 tcohen thanks oleonard
15:53 maximep hey guys, i'm trying to understand bug 8378 and bug 9325
15:53 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
15:53 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9325 critical, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, RESOLVED FIXED, overdue notices sent same messages for all users.
15:54 maximep 8378 was revert from master, but any idea if it is still in 3.8
15:54 maximep and why is 9325 closed ? :S
15:54 jcamins maximep: so far as I know 8378 was never pushed to 3.8.
15:54 jcamins And bug 9325 was caused by bug 8378, which I reverted.
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15:55 maximep aaaaaaaaah ok
15:55 jcamins I think.
15:55 maximep make sense
15:56 maximep so we still have to fix the <fine> syntax without regressions
15:56 jcamins Right.
15:56 maximep will see if I get a few hours to look at it
15:59 kf maximep: could you let me know when youare working on it?
15:59 kf it's high on my list too
16:03 maximep ok, will let you know later
16:05 reiveune bye
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16:05 kf thx :)
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16:41 jcamins Interesting: http://lj.libraryjournal.com/2[…]-user-experience/
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17:04 tcohen if a method return s
17:05 tcohen an array of hashes, how do i recover the inside hashed with a loop?¡
17:05 tcohen i keep getting "Not a HASH reference "
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17:06 datadoctor do you have it spelled wrong? the has is not defined for your reference
17:06 datadoctor hash
17:07 jcamins foreach my $myhash (@$myarray) { }
17:07 tcohen my @sql_parameters = GetParametersFromSQL($sql);
17:07 tcohen foreach my $sql_parameter (@sql_parameters) {
17:07 tcohen if ( defined $sql_parameter->{'authval'} ) {
17:07 tcohen the last line is the problematic
17:09 jcamins Could you paste the results of warn Data::Dumper::Dumper(\@sql_parameters);
17:09 tcohen it is well formed, just checked it
17:10 datadoctor i'm just using Data::Dumper here and it is very helpful for understanding your data structure
17:10 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.196 pasted "$VAR1 = [ { 'authval' => 'bran" (10 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/395
17:12 jcamins Odd... that looks right to me.
17:12 jcamins How about warn ref($sql_parameter)?
17:13 datadoctor i like that!
17:13 tcohen jcamins, you proposed treat it like a scalar on assignment and then cast it?
17:13 jcamins tcohen: my suggestion was based on the fact that most routines return arrayrefs rather than arrays.
17:14 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.196 pasted "validateSQLparameters method" (17 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/396
17:14 jcamins But it looks like GetParametersFromSQL is returning an actual array.
17:14 tcohen i put this on that method: return \@sql_parameters;
17:14 jcamins Ah!
17:15 jcamins So it does need to be: my $sql_parameters...
17:15 jcamins and @$sql_parameters in the loop
17:15 tcohen that's a cast, right?
17:15 jcamins Nope.
17:16 jcamins That's a dereference.
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17:16 tcohen @$ means "treat it like a array_ref?
17:16 huginn tcohen: Error: No closing quotation
17:16 tcohen so @$ means "treat it like a array_ref?
17:17 jcamins tcohen: @$var means "the scalar variable in $var is actually a reference to an array, so give me the array it refers to"
17:17 tcohen understand
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17:18 tcohen references should always be declared as scalar, thnaks!
17:23 tcohen jcamins: how do i get the cardinality of the referenced array then?
17:23 tcohen $#array_ref?
17:25 jcamins I always forget...
17:25 tcohen holy c: $#$ ?
17:26 jcamins scalar @$arrayref
17:27 tcohen u r correct!
17:33 * jcamins heads into the city.
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19:12 oleonard So... Quiet...
19:12 drojf https://blogs.kde.org/2013/02/[…]rates-kde-artwork
19:12 rangi heh
19:22 * cait waves
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19:55 K1 hello again, Just wanted to let you know that I found a work around for IPV6 problem:
19:55 K1 changed [port  ”8023/tcp”] for each  service listener setting in  SIPconfig.xml to [port “<machine ip address>8023/tcp”].
19:56 jcamins K1: excellent! I'm glad you found a solution!
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20:01 rangi Morning
20:01 wahanui Morning is probably a state of cat
20:02 jcamins Morning.
20:02 wahanui Ah, morning. The cat must be wanting breakfast.
20:02 oleonard I thought one could not know the state of cat because observing it changed the outcome?
20:05 jcamins oleonard: that's why it's just _probably_ a state of cat.
20:05 jcamins I contractor came to give us an estimate this morning. He had a laser pointer which Myshkin found _very_ stimulating.
20:05 cait heh
20:06 cait now you are buying him his own laserpointer?
20:06 jcamins lol
20:06 jcamins We'll buy one at a dollar store at some point.
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20:10 * cait waves back
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20:31 oleonard jcamins: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M[…]_exercising_a_cat
20:32 jcamins lol
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21:01 * oleonard thought he submitted a patch for the patron card creator toolbar... they're all running together in my mind...
21:02 jcamins oleonard: you did labels, I think.
21:02 cait I remember testing labels too
21:02 cait but don't remember seeing something for patroncards
21:02 oleonard They're almost the same, so that's probably it
21:06 oleonard Bug 9212... Bug 9687
21:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9212 normal, P3, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Parentheses in subject headings break search
21:06 huginn Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9687 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Subject Searching not working for records with parentheses
21:10 cait they look similar too
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21:15 tcohen bgkriegel++ for pointing those perlcritic errors
21:18 wizzyrea oleonard: I have my student coming in monday to do bootstrap stuff
21:18 wizzyrea want to set him aside an area?
21:19 wizzyrea or is there an area you'd like us to look at?
21:21 oleonard wizzyrea: There is at least one page which uses a jquery plugin which I think we could replace with use of Bootstrap
21:21 oleonard The plugin is jquery.qtip.js. It's used somewhere in budgets admin I think
21:22 wizzyrea hm oki
21:22 oleonard I think I've covered almost all the instances of YUI buttons/menus in toolbars. it would be good to search for other usage of YUI menus
21:22 wizzyrea yea, I'm guessing tools might be an area
21:22 wizzyrea where those would be hiding
21:22 oleonard Even to move on to the OPAC and look at menus there
21:23 oleonard It's tempting to do lots to the OPAC with Bootstrap, but I think we need to focus narrowly right now on getting rid of YUI
21:23 wizzyrea yes
21:23 jcamins yui--
21:23 wizzyrea i agree with that sentiment
21:23 maximep oleonard++
21:24 maximep can't wait to never use yui again :P
21:24 wizzyrea it sure looked nice a few years ago ;)
21:25 maximep a few years in internet time seems like forever
21:26 maximep just 3 months ago we were doing thing so differently here at work
21:27 oleonard Just think, if things had gone differently we might all be complaining about getting rid of ExtJS
21:27 wizzyrea O.O
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21:33 oleonard See y'all later
21:33 wizzyrea later!
21:35 magnuse later!
21:36 wizzyrea byee
21:41 tcohen bye wizzyrea !
21:41 wizzyrea oh i'll be around I was talking to magnuse :)
21:43 tcohen :-P
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22:06 bgkriegel tcohen?
22:06 wahanui hmmm... tcohen is 120
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22:27 BobB morning dcook
22:28 dcook morning, BobB :)
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22:31 rangi i wonder if druthb is around today
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22:33 rangi yay !
22:33 cait magic?
22:33 melia ask and you shall receive :)
22:33 * druthb points at melia.
22:33 melia heh
22:33 wizzyrea you didn't even have to say her name 3 times
22:33 melia ha! that would've been better!
22:34 druthb If it wasn't white-out blizzard conditions, might have seen me earlier.  we had a power-out here for a while.
22:34 dcook Hehe. I like Frédéric's typo(?) about the OCLC 'covert art' service
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22:35 druthb Someone have issues for me?
22:36 bag I don't have any issues with you
22:36 BobB lucky!  :)
22:37 druthb :P
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22:40 rangi druthb: just when you get a chance a couple of pull requests would be awesomesauce
22:41 druthb You'll have 'em this evening, sir! :)
22:41 rangi thank you
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