IRC log for #koha, 2013-01-16

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00:32 jcamins wizzyrea: I'm not sure if you saw, but you can set a patch to "Signed off" using git-bz.
00:33 jcamins Use the fishsoup branch on
00:57 wizzyrea ah cool will try that soon
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01:11 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8883' into 3.12-master <[…]fdab906032a20680d> / Bug 8883: 'opacsmallimage' doesn't work in ccsr theme <[…]930cf1ec680e8585b>
01:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1010 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
01:21 bag evening
01:21 wahanui well, evening is better for me - but not too late
01:21 bag hey wizzyrea
01:21 wahanui hmmm... wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
01:21 bag how you doing?
01:27 bag I scared away wizzyrea
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01:30 gmcharlt bag: best not show up in a Battlestar nexttime
01:30 bag :P
01:31 bag trying to stay ahead with the jumps
01:37 rangi shes on the wifi, which with 19 academy students plus their mentors all trying to use it is not the most stable
01:38 bag heh
01:38 bag hey rangi
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01:40 rangi heya bag
01:57 jcamins Ugh. My automated backup decided to transfer 56GB of VMs over wireless.
01:58 wizzyrea blink blink
01:58 wizzyrea there's an ARIA plugin for yui.
01:59 rangi the pity is we are killing yui
01:59 wizzyrea opinions on this?
01:59 wizzyrea[…]n-ariaplugin.html
01:59 wizzyrea but not yet
02:00 cjh I would love to kill yui
02:00 rangi hmm id hate to make it harder to kill it
02:00 cjh as we have other fixes would could work, but yui prevents them
02:00 rangi yeah
02:00 rangi what he said
02:00 cjh which could work* gah
02:00 cjh we could also begin ripping yui out and fix things properly :)
02:01 cjh but that is a larger project.
02:01 bag rip yui out!
02:01 bag sorry just voting :P
02:02 rangi there might be some patches owen did starting that
02:02 rangi if we could jsut get rid of the yui dropdowns to something that is accessible
02:02 rangi that might be a good start?
02:02 wizzyrea yep we'll look for them
02:02 cjh yeah, that is what I would like
02:03 cjh possibly using a jquery dropdown lib or similar
02:03 cjh we could just replace one instance of the yui menu, and then work from there. have to see what our options are.
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02:04 rangi that might well be worth trying
02:05 rangi remember, experimenting and failing is just as valid use of time as succeeding
02:05 rangi if you document the fail that is
02:09 rangi theres also the cataloguing bit
02:09 bag I think get rid of
02:09 bag first
02:09 bag that's such a killer lately
02:10 rangi the form there is a mess
02:10 rangi for accessibility
02:10 bag I've had multiple mysql databases get choked out because of that
02:11 bag someone from here should have entered a ticket - but we found continously does a query like borrowernumber = 'S'   (that's from memory so not exactly correct)
02:11 rangi yep it queries
02:11 rangi on each charactre
02:11 rangi S
02:11 rangi SH
02:11 jcamins bag: yeah, that's how autocomplete works. What's needed caching for autocomplete.
02:11 rangi SHI
02:11 bag like 700+ times
02:11 rangi etc
02:11 rangi yep
02:11 rangi what is a simple fix
02:11 bag yeah no kidding
02:11 jcamins What's needed *is*
02:12 rangi change the js, dont start searching until at least 5 characters
02:12 wahanui rangi: that doesn't look right
02:12 rangi ie, not on every keypress
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02:12 rangi but only after 5 chars
02:13 bag yeah 5 chars sounds good
02:13 bag sorry all you 4 lettered lastname people!
02:13 bag heh
02:13 eythian or after a 1-2sec pause, if it doesn't already
02:14 rangi yeah
02:14 bag yeah I think - tell the patron - no card - no service and then stick your tongue out at them and laugh
02:14 bag nah
02:14 bag that wouldn't work
02:15 gmcharlt a sorrowful expression might be better ;)
02:15 bag heh
02:15 rangi if the person has only 4 chars, you just type 4 then hit return and it does a regular search
02:16 rangi its not like we are breaking the search
02:16 rangi just stopping the autocomplete being retarded
02:16 bag ok take away my only shot at humor - but you are correct :P
02:17 rangi hehe
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02:20 bag quick poll?
02:20 jcamins Chocolate.
02:20 wahanui reiveune ate them all
02:20 cjh jcamins: yes please.
02:20 bag I brought two shots of espresso to work this afternoon and fought about them
02:20 bag should I have them at 6pm
02:20 jcamins Depends.
02:20 jcamins If you can't sleep are you going to sign off on patches?
02:21 rangi how used to caffeine is your body?
02:21 bag ok added note - Ginny wakes up about 1~2am and it takes me about an hour or more to get her back down
02:21 bag that's usually my turn at night :)
02:22 bag oh yeah by the way rangi did you see the 6th month video :)
02:22 rangi i did!
02:22 bag she's so awesome!
02:22 cjh tab through this page[…]ssible/index.html
02:22 cjh no mouse needed !
02:23 bag jcamins
02:24 rangi ohhh thats cool cjh
02:24 bag ok espresso gone!
02:25 cjh rangi: just going to get Julius to have a quick peek at it later on today as well, I think its promising.
02:25 rangi excellent
02:26 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1010: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1010/
02:26 jenkins_koha jcamins: Bug 8883: 'opacsmallimage' doesn't work in ccsr theme
02:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8883 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Master , opacsmallimage doesn't work in ccsr theme
02:26 jcamins Ummm...
02:26 jcamins I didn't write that patch.
02:27 rangi you pushed it
02:27 jcamins Ah.
02:27 jcamins Right.
02:30 rangi hmm yeah after i did the cleanup its using commiter not author
02:30 * rangi will see if he can fix it
02:30 rangi i must have changed something
02:34 rangi ah yes i did
02:34 rangi dork
02:34 * rangi fixes
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02:36 cjh these menus make my day
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02:39 rangi ok should be fixed now
02:39 rangi (for any new pushes)
02:40 jcamins Thanks.
02:40 jcamins Is there any way to get git to *not* tell me that certain directories are not tracked?
02:40 * jcamins tries .gitignore
02:41 cjh you can use a gitignore rule for a directory and its contents, IIRC
02:41 eythian yeah, I think .gitignore is just a list of patterns
02:41 jcamins Worked!
02:41 cjh I have 'output/' in my .gitignore and git doesnt mention it.
02:42 cjh jcamins: telling people about it *always* solves it
02:44 mtj cjh, the original 'suckerfish' menus seem be less glitchy than Blake's, on my opera...
02:45 mtj here's a blingy example of suckerfish ->[…]ckerfish/example/ fyi
02:46 jcamins Hrm. Not regular expressions, though.
02:46 wizzyrea it's not really about what you see
02:46 wizzyrea its about navigatig through with your keyboard.
02:46 mtj aah, yes -  good point liz :)
02:48 jcamins I can't remember what I was doing anymore.
02:48 mtj i'll remember that
02:48 bag oh hey there mtj!
02:48 wizzyrea i mean, slightly glitchy vs totally accessible, I'll take totally accessible I think.
02:49 mtj yeah, you are completely correct :)
02:49 * jcamins figures it out.
02:49 mtj hey bag :p
02:55 mtj curious, are either jquery or bootstrap ARIA friendly? , a web search didnt say… :/
02:56 jcamins Some screen readers have good Javascript support, and some don't.
02:57 jcamins Those that don't will not be able to run jQuery.
02:57 jcamins And code using jQuery is only as accessible as the author makes it.
02:57 jcamins Based on the other code in Koha... I'm going to guess that most of our jQuery is appalling.
02:58 mtj lol, yep :)
02:59 jcamins Have I mentioned recently that the XSLT sysprefs are POSSIBLY THE WORST INTERFACE I CAN IMAGINE?
02:59 mtj ok, i can see some bootstap/ARIA stuff via google now
02:59 rangi type in a random path to a file
02:59 rangi put a nullbyte char in there
02:59 rangi and viola directory traversal
03:00 mtj wow, that easy, huh...
03:00 rangi it should scan a dir, and provide a drop down
03:00 rangi of the files that are in there, and you pick the one you want
03:01 jcamins Also "leave blank to disable, enter the string 'default' for default..." wtf?
03:01 rangi ah yeah that too
03:01 wizzyrea they were desperate to get that in, iirc
03:02 jcamins And yes, I'm going to complain about this every time I test something that requires me toggling those options.
03:02 mtj heh, seemed like a good idea at the time….? :p
03:02 jcamins mtj: I didn't notice it.
03:02 mtj :)
03:02 jcamins Otherwise I would've pointed out that it's HORRIBLE.
03:03 mtj ha, im curious who commited it now! :p
03:03 jcamins mtj: lol
03:06 cjh mtj: for me suckerfish in chromium doesnt allow keyboard navigation
03:06 cjh mtj: i can tab through them, but hitting enter or down doesnt open. The blake and accessibility ones from above allow the use of only the tab key (or arrows) for navigation
03:07 * cjh just saw wizzyrea's reply
03:07 mtj meh, i didnt even try keyboard control :/
03:08 cjh mtj: try them again using only the tab key :)
03:11 cjh the current captcha is in text so can be read by a screen reader, which is already on par with most other sites (which have an option to read you the captcha)
03:16 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8443' into 3.12-master <[…]86f94994bb10c3e9a> / Bug 8443: Suggestions publication year and copyright date (follow-up 2) Cosmetic... <[…]bb0ef334764e72fcd> / Bug 8443: Suggestions publication year and copyright date (follow-up 1) Comments...
03:18 rangi cjh: its just kinda pointless, since anything automated can read the text too
03:19 rangi thats why they moved to image based captcha's
03:19 rangi which suck even more, and still get owned :)
03:19 jenkins_koha Starting build #1011 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
03:23 eythian yeah, but at least they're digitising books as they go :)
03:24 * cjh fails recaptcha all the time
03:24 * cjh isnt human enough
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03:28 * gmcharlt issues a plea for somebody to test and sign off on the follow-up for bug 9151; installation of mandatory SQL for en is currently broken in master
03:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9151 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Renewal notice according to patron alert preferences
03:29 rangi gmcharlt: if no one beats me to it, ill try tomorrow
03:29 gmcharlt rangi: thanks
03:30 rangi should it really be enhancement?
03:30 rangi not blocker?
03:30 jcamins Blocker.
03:30 wahanui it has been said that blocker is only for something that would stop a release
03:31 jcamins Wait, that's on a separate bug.
03:31 jcamins Hm.
03:31 jcamins You know what?
03:31 jcamins I'm reverting.
03:31 rangi ta
03:31 jcamins That makes it an enhancement.
03:31 jcamins Oh, drat.
03:32 rangi cant easily revert?
03:32 jcamins No.
03:32 jcamins That was pre-7167, so I didn't know about --no-ff.
03:32 rangi ahh right
03:33 rangi is it a series of commits?
03:33 jcamins Yes.
03:33 jcamins There's a merge commit I can revert, but then there are five others.
03:33 rangi ah bummer
03:33 rangi ok ill mark it blokcer
03:33 rangi and test the fix
03:33 jcamins I'm going to fiddle with it, see if I can revert it.
03:34 jcamins Reverting is better.
03:34 jcamins If I can do it without destroying the branch.
03:34 rangi its marked blocker now, you can set it back to enhancement if you revert it
03:34 rangi least that gives you a good reason to revert :)
03:34 mtj jcamins, there is a nice 'feature' with the current XSLT syspref code, it takes a /path or a url :)
03:35 jcamins Right.
03:35 jcamins mtj: that could be implemented in a non-hideous way.
03:36 jcamins Okay, that didn't work.
03:36 jcamins I'm glad I did that on a copy of 3.12-master.
03:36 jcamins I just removed all patches since 9151.
03:44 ibeardslee mysql> show tables;
03:44 ibeardslee Empty set (0.00 sec)
03:44 ibeardslee not a good sign?
03:44 eythian it's a good sign if you want a clean database.
03:44 jcamins ibeardslee: installation on en is broken at the moment.
03:45 rangi in master
03:46 jcamins en, master, whatever.
03:46 rangi are you running off the packages ibeardslee ?
03:46 aqualaptop he says he is
03:46 aqualaptop but db server on sep machine
03:46 ibeardslee rangi: yup
03:46 rangi right, and done the koha-create obviously
03:46 rangi ?
03:46 eythian in that case, that's actually normal
03:46 rangi yep
03:47 rangi you just need to run the webinstaller now, to finish off the installation
03:47 ibeardslee ahh ok
03:49 aqualaptop what commit should i go to so the install is not broken?
03:49 ibeardslee telling me I can't connect to the local MYSQL server
03:50 jcamins bug 9151
03:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9151 blocker, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Renewal notice according to patron alert preferences
03:50 rangi aqualaptop: you are trying to install from git?
03:50 aqualaptop rangi: yup
03:51 rangi 2acd3d85b5d6a82d58c2177d5a260f52dc363e63
03:51 aqualaptop chur
03:51 rangi once the install is done, you can go back to HEAD
03:51 jcamins Or you could sign off bug 9151!
03:52 jcamins Double win!
03:52 rangi hehe he has to get it installed first :)
03:52 jcamins No he doesn't!
03:52 rangi at least once
03:52 cjh if he applies 9151 then it should let him install (if it works)
03:52 jcamins Right.
03:52 rangi true
03:52 jcamins If the install doesn't work, the patch failed.
03:53 jcamins If the install worked, he can sign off on the patch on the grounds that it clearly didn't _break_ the process.
03:53 rangi aqualaptop: the last patch on bug9151
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03:53 rangi if you apply that, it should fix the installing issue
03:53 jcamins Ah, I'll fix that and make it the only patch.
03:53 aqualaptop swt, will try without to start with, then with
03:53 rangi sweet thanks
03:53 aqualaptop still installing the deps
03:54 jcamins Err... did I just crash bugzilla?
03:54 jcamins Sorry.
03:54 rangi works for me
03:54 cjh heh
03:55 wizzyrea works for me too >.>
03:55 jcamins Good.
03:55 * ibeardslee makes a note that <hostname> in /etc/koha/sites/mykoha/koha-conf.xml is quite important for a separate database server
03:56 rangi i wonder how aqualaptop got roped into working on koha too :)
03:56 aqualaptop COOKIES!!!
03:56 wahanui Cookies are delicious delicacies
03:56 rangi ibeardslee: ah yes :)
03:57 aqualaptop rangi: also wanted to try it at some stage, and got free time this week as at academy
03:57 rangi sweet
03:58 rangi bug 5158
03:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5158 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, camins, ASSIGNED , Koha needs its own cookie, ice cream, and fudge flavors
03:58 aqualaptop lol, saw that
03:58 rangi :)
03:58 aqualaptop was temmpted
03:58 aqualaptop goto sidetracked by the margerita suggestion
03:58 jcamins Okay, I've run out of patches that I can quickly fail.
03:58 jcamins That means it's bed time.
03:58 jcamins Good night, #koha.
03:58 rangi i thought with your love of tequila youd like my last comment :)
03:59 aqualaptop rangi: who said i loved tequila, they be lying fool!
03:59 aqualaptop maybe
03:59 * aqualaptop isn't doesn't have an alcoholic problem... in half an hour when i have a drink in hand
03:59 aqualaptop :P
04:00 rangi right time to go pick up little man from kindergarten
04:00 rangi bbiab
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04:25 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1011: SUCCESS in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1011/
04:25 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7657 - Google and OpenLibrary image conflict
04:25 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 9306: Update descriptions for the 4 SeparateHoldings prefs
04:25 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 9309 - Make OPACurlOpenInNewWindow be respected for 856$u
04:25 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8443: Suggestions publication year and copyright date
04:25 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8443: Suggestions publication year and copyright date (follow-up 1) Comments corrections
04:25 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8443: Suggestions publication year and copyright date (follow-up 2) Cosmetic changes and perltidy formatting
04:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7657 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Google and OpenLibrary image conflict
04:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9306 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , update  SeparateHoldings  preference descriptions
04:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9309 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , "OPACurlOpenInNewWindow" isn't respected for 856$u links shown in OPAC when not using XSLT
04:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8443 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Suggestions : publication year and copyright date
04:34 rangi thats more like it
04:46 bag yup looking better there
04:50 bag alright rangi @wunder 93101
04:50 bag @wunder 93101
04:50 huginn bag: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Santa Barbra CA US, Santa Barbara, California is 11.1°C (8:19 PM PST on January 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028 hPa (Steady). Frost advisory in effect from 1 am to 9 am PST Wednesday...
04:50 rangi @wunder nzwn
04:50 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (5:00 PM NZDT on January 16, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Falling).
04:50 bag 11C that's not right
04:50 bag it's much colder than that
04:50 bag it's got to be about 5
04:51 bag @weather 93101
04:51 huginn bag: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Santa Barbra CA US, Santa Barbara, California is 11.1°C (8:19 PM PST on January 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.37 in 1028 hPa (Steady). Frost advisory in effect from 1 am to 9 am PST Wednesday...
04:51 bag weird
04:51 bag this morning rangi it was 0
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04:51 bag that's unbelievable!
04:52 bag basically we may actually get snow this year!
04:53 rangi when is the last time that happened?
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04:57 gmcharlt whee - bug 9102 took a surprisingly long time to test
04:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9102 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , [SECURITY] We should set httponly on our session cookie
05:05 rangi heh the cookie on the api?
05:05 rangi it should be a no op
05:05 rangi for all except those browsers who respect the header
05:05 rangi ok, gotta go play connect 4
05:06 rangi and lose to a 3 year old
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06:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #47 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: FIXED)
06:06 rangi gmcharlt++ # for 9401
06:16 gmcharlt YASP?
06:16 wahanui YASP is Yet Another System Preference
06:16 gmcharlt wahanui++
06:17 * gmcharlt notes that YASP appears only 6 times in he IRC logs (or at least, it did)
06:18 gmcharlt time for that acronym to be used more often :)
06:18 bag YAPC
06:19 bag yet another politically correct comment from bag :)
06:19 bag :P
06:20 bag and with that I'm going home
06:20 bag night gmcharlt
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06:29 rangi hi cait
06:31 cait hi rangi :)
06:31 cait and good morning #koha
06:41 cait @wunder Konstnaz
06:41 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
06:41 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:41 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -2.6°C (7:35 AM CET on January 16, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
06:42 rangi cold
06:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #47: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/47/
06:44 jenkins_koha martin.renvoize: Bug 8883: 'opacsmallimage' doesn't work in ccsr theme
06:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8883 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Pushed to Stable , opacsmallimage doesn't work in ccsr theme
06:45 * magnuse waves
06:45 magnuse @wunder boo
06:46 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -3.0°C (7:20 AM CET on January 16, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
06:46 magnuse @wunder rrs
06:46 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Roros Lufthavn, Norway is -21.0°C (7:20 AM CET on January 16, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -23.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
06:46 magnuse or in other words: it could have been worse
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06:56 cait heh
06:56 cait good morning magnuse
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07:04 jenkins_koha Starting build #48 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
07:19 magnuse hiya cait
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07:22 cait hi sophie_m :)
07:22 sophie_m hi cait
07:25 cait magnuse: nozebra is officially dead now, is it?
07:26 magnuse cait: i think so, yes
07:26 cait maybe we should remove the index definitions from the marc frameworks?
07:26 magnuse bug 7440
07:26 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed
07:27 magnuse so yeah, removing every trace of it would be a good thing
07:27 cait aah
07:27 cait ok
07:27 cait I filed a bug about those a while ago
07:27 cait the saving works not correctly, you are losing data when you edit your marc frameworks
07:28 cait so just removing them seems a good way to solve that too :)
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07:28 alex_a bonjour
07:31 cait bonjour alex_a :)
07:31 alex_a Salut cait :)
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07:36 reiveune hello
07:37 cait hi reiveune :)
07:38 magnuse free software ILSes were mentioned on the BIBFRAME list last night, and i couldn't help myself from mentioning my semantikoha dream:[…]bframe&T=0&P=6953 :-)
07:39 cait magnuse++
07:40 reiveune hi cait, magnuse :)
07:41 magnuse bonjour!
07:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #48: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/48/
07:45 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7657 - Google and OpenLibrary image conflict
07:45 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 9309 - Make OPACurlOpenInNewWindow be respected for 856$u
07:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7657 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Google and OpenLibrary image conflict
07:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9309 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , "OPACurlOpenInNewWindow" isn't respected for 856$u links shown in OPAC when not using XSLT
07:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #258 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: FIXED)
07:47 cait bbl
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08:03 gaetan_B hello
08:03 rangi hmm
08:03 rangi we could put this
08:03 rangi[…]ding/screenshots/
08:03 rangi on at some point in the future
08:03 rangi magnuse++ #for the tweet that led me to that
08:04 rangi hi gaetan_B
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08:05 magnuse rangi: cool!
08:06 magnuse and yes i totally think we should explore crowdfunding for paying for some of the improvements we need that no library in their right mind would pay for on their own :-)
08:06 rangi yep
08:06 rangi what we need is to join something like spi, that can channel funds for us
08:07 magnuse hm, not the Software Patent Institute, i presume? ;-)
08:07 rangi heh hell no
08:07 magnuse Software in the Public Interest, Inc.
08:07 rangi
08:07 rangi yep
08:08 magnuse haha gotcha ;-)
08:08 rangi
08:08 rangi
08:09 rangi
08:09 rangi its nice and simple
08:09 rangi they dont try to run the project
08:09 magnuse yay
08:13 magnuse so we just have to agree to do it?
08:14 rangi pretty much
08:19 magnuse put it on the agenda for the next irc meeting?
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08:22 magnuse kia ora paul_p!
08:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #258: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/258/
08:24 jenkins_koha robin: Bug 9309 - Make OPACurlOpenInNewWindow be respected for 856$u
08:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9309 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , "OPACurlOpenInNewWindow" isn't respected for 856$u links shown in OPAC when not using XSLT
08:24 magnuse \o/ success!
08:24 magnuse huh, some IP address just added a spammer to the wiki?
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08:25 kf hi #koha
08:25 magnuse kia ora kf
08:27 paul_p good morning magnuse
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08:28 magnuse bonjour clrh
08:29 clrh salut magnuse :)
08:29 rangi hi kf and clrh
08:29 rangi magnuse: hmm? ill look now
08:29 clrh hi rangi kf :)
08:29 rangi magnuse: they logged in with openid
08:29 rangi means its most likely an actual human spammer
08:30 rangi we will still get one or 2 of those
08:30 magnuse rangi: ah poor sod
08:31 magnuse i blocked and deleted
08:31 rangi good call
08:33 rangi wtf .. a cleaner in sweden stole a train???!!??
08:33 rangi someone didnt think that idea through
08:34 rangi[…]s-it-into-kitchen
08:34 kf hi clrh :)
08:37 magnuse rangi: didn't end too well either...
08:43 rangi yeah
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09:01 vkm1 pls let me know the source of crojobs file location in 3.8.8
09:02 rangi how did you install, via tarball or via debian packages?
09:07 rangi oh how i hate mibbit
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09:09 vkm pls let me know the cronjobs location file in 3.8.8
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09:14 Maidul Hello! everyone
09:15 rangi hi Maidul
09:15 rangi vkm: how did you install, via tarball or via debian packages?
09:16 Maidul hi
09:20 vkm via ubuntu package
09:22 rangi then they will be in the normal places for cron
09:23 rangi /etc/cron.d/koha-common /etc/cron.daily   cron.hourly etc
09:24 vkm suppose i have to set up backup automated then in which file i should write the timing
09:24 rangi that packages already are doing backups
09:24 rangi look in /etc/cron.daily/koha-common
09:25 vkm where the backups are storing
09:25 vkm is it in var/spool/koha
09:26 rangi man koha-run-backups
09:28 vkm where is man?
09:28 wahanui hmmm... man is chris_n just sitting there waiting for me to push and BAM he pushes too
09:28 kf forget man
09:28 wahanui kf: I forgot man
09:29 rangi run that command
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09:31 vkm done
09:32 rangi so now you read taht and know where its putting the backups
09:32 vkm seen some backup in var/spool/koha/library
09:32 wahanui I haven't seen 'some', vkm
09:32 rangi did you run
09:32 rangi man koha-run-backups
09:32 rangi ?
09:32 rangi and read the output
09:32 vkm yes i run but before runing i have also seen that
09:33 Barrc1 Having a silly moment here: does anyone know how to edit a Hold Note to add/remove it, after the Hold is placed? 3.08
09:34 vkm if i wanted to change timings etc than how to do that commands like * * * * given in crone example file in cronjobs directory
09:35 rangi vkm: you probably need to learn a lot more about linux .. that is not a koha question
09:36 rangi Barrc1: i dont think ive ever tried
09:36 kf Barrc1: hm I don't think it's possible right now, but I might be mistaken
09:36 vkm rangi yes u are write i have to learn lot about linux
09:36 Barrc1 ah, not such a silly moment after all!! Thanks!
09:38 vkm pls tell me is there any major bug in 3.8.8 i wanted to move from 3.6.4 things are ready and i have tested
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09:39 vkm at present i am using for cataloguing and circulation only so it should not be effected in any case
09:40 vkm and all the options/facility of both the modules are using by user and staffs
09:42 kf vkm: I suggest you take a look at bugzilla
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09:42 kf bugs?
09:42 wahanui i think bugs is found at Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too.
09:42 Habiba hi
09:42 wahanui salut, Habiba
09:42 Habiba Hello Maidul
09:42 Habiba How are you?
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09:45 Maidul Hello Habiba
09:45 Maidul I am fine
09:45 Maidul How are you?
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10:49 slef kf: the old bug list email picks bugs from the candidate pool at random.
10:49 slef @later tell drojf the old bug list email picks bugs from the candidate pool at random.
10:49 huginn slef: The operation succeeded.
10:52 kf magnuse++ #for oai-pmh wisdom :)
10:53 kf slef: ah, what is the timeframe for old then?
10:53 kf and thx :)
10:53 slef kf: lastchanged > 700 days ago IIRC
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10:53 vfernandes hello
10:54 kf slef: thx :) so rougly 2 years old
11:02 magnuse kf: or older tan 2 years :-)
11:02 magnuse s/tan/than/
11:19 kf right :)
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11:21 luc hi
11:21 wahanui hello, luc
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11:22 luc This is habiba and u?
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11:58 * kf wonders what htat means
12:17 kf owen's blog?
12:17 wahanui owen's blog is
12:18 slef @query Default holds policy by item type
12:18 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6976 major, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, REOPENED , User hold limit can be avoided by users in OPAC
12:19 slef @query Error unknown option
12:19 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2774 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Path to theme is hard-coded in many places
12:19 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4123 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Error in checking whether a checkout can be renewed
12:19 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3220 normal, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Cataloging Tabs on Log Viewer
12:19 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7264 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Display information about library on OPAC detail
12:19 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3144 normal, P5 - low, ---, mjr, In Discussion , anti-spam for opac-suggestions
12:19 slef @query Return policy
12:19 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , C4::Circulation::GetBranchItemRule is poorly written
12:19 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7830 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , return policy error in hold policy by item type after upgrade
12:19 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6679 minor, P1 - high, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , Fixing code so it passes basic Perl::Critic tests
12:19 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4045 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, In Discussion , No check for maximum number of allowed holds.
12:19 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , multiple holds per title
12:20 slef bug 7830 looks like it
12:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7830 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , return policy error in hold policy by item type after upgrade
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12:35 slef Changes submitted for bug 7830
12:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7830 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , return policy error in hold policy by item type after upgrade
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13:25 drojf hm. someone should tell the greenstone wiki what the official koha website is :([…]stone_Integration
13:26 oleonard Or register and update the page?
13:27 drojf that is what i mean by "tell the wiki" ;)
13:27 drojf even the greenstone version is old
13:27 oleonard So now we just need to define "someone."
13:28 drojf i think somethink like that can only be done by a high community representative. like a release manager or a quality assurance manager!
13:28 jcamins_away drojf: I disagree.
13:28 jcamins_away I think you are misreading the rules.
13:28 drojf you're biased!
13:29 jcamins_away The rule is that the RM must _not_ do it.
13:29 drojf that doesn't sound right
13:31 jcamins_away That's because you're not thinking of the backlog. :P
13:32 * oleonard tried to create an account but it won't let me log in
13:33 drojf they might have a similar problem with spam accounts like we di
13:33 drojf did
13:36 drojf slef: ah, it's random (the old bugs for the emails)! thanks for the info
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13:40 drojf dashboard?
13:40 wahanui hmmm... dashboard is at
13:40 drojf dashboard sources?
13:40 drojf wahanui: why don't you know everything?
13:40 wahanui drojf: no idea
13:40 drojf exactly
13:41 oleonard This, drojf?
13:44 drojf oleonard++ # wahanui, learn from this guy
13:45 oleonard wahanui: dashboard repo is
13:45 wahanui OK, oleonard.
13:45 drojf good boy
13:59 drojf user-error++
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14:26 kf jcamins_away: i am backing you up as long as you don't say qam has to do it :)
14:26 jcamins_away kf: :)
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15:06 kf hmm
15:07 kf is it by intention that we don't show the little icons for different dcument types in staff result list?
15:07 kf (we do in opac)
15:08 oleonard Probably not intentionally
15:08 kf I will file a bug :)
15:08 kf oleonard: how woudl you call those to not mistake them with itemtype images?
15:09 oleonard material type icons
15:09 wahanui material type icons are not obvious enough?
15:09 kf oh nice!
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15:34 oleonard @wunder 45701
15:34 huginn oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 0.1°C (10:30 AM EST on January 16, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling).
15:35 * oleonard wonders what "Whitlind Woods" is...
15:39 Dyrcona @wunder 01845
15:39 huginn Dyrcona: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 0.4°C (10:33 AM EST on January 16, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Rising). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 7 PM EST this evening...
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15:44 ttk hw to restrict biblio edit option for other library staff if multiple branches are set
15:52 datadoctor Setting up self-checkout and noticed a weird phenomenon:[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9404
15:52 huginn Bug 9404: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Search of global system preferences deletes css and js code on Save
15:53 datadoctor A search of the global system preferences causes the search term to mysteriously vanish from custom css and javascript code.
15:55 oleonard ttk: If you want to prevent librarians from one branch from editing items belonging to another, you probably want to investigate the IndependantBranches system preference
15:56 datadoctor For example, create custom SCOUserJS "myscore" then search for term "sco" in the global preferences - the js shows up as "myre" and saves that way.
15:56 datadoctor Weird, huh?
15:56 ttk no i wanted to prevent librarians to restrict editing biblios from other branches
15:57 ttk i knw independtbranches only allow to stop editing items, holds
15:57 ttk but how to restrict editing biblios is there a way
15:58 oleonard ttk: Items can be identified as being "owned" by a branch, but biblios cannot as far as I know
15:58 oleonard datadoctor: The cause is the search term highlighting JavaScript being overly aggressive
15:59 datadoctor Thanks oleonard! I will look into that...
16:00 ttk is there then any way out i am helping one installation where they have more than ten libraries and each librarian wants to see if they can edit only their own libraries biblios at the same time they want to print only their own libraries barcodes
16:00 ttk but when we go in label creator it shows barcodes from all libraries if any search is made
16:02 oleonard Your issue with labels sounds like it could be a bug ttk
16:02 oleonard ttk: Your problem with biblio editing would have to be solved by an enhancement to Koha
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16:04 ttk ok so  no way out at present one more query they also want to allow all patrons to borrow/return from any branch library
16:05 ttk in that case IndependantBranches has to be dont prevent
16:05 slef looking at Bug 3474
16:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3474 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Handling of and report for expired or cancelled holds, display expiration dates
16:07 oleonard Thinking of rescuing the feature from Harley slef?
16:07 slef Changes submitted for bug 3474 - anyone want to write the SQL Report for expired holds?
16:07 slef oleonard: I think we already gained it somehow
16:14 jcamins o/
16:16 slef looking at Bug 4494
16:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4494 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Staff client incorrectly reports no copies available to be placed on hold
16:19 reiveune bye
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16:19 slef Changes submitted for bug 4494
16:19 slef found and fixed a bug in oldbugreminder too
16:20 slef looking at Bug 8975
16:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8975 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , search results should say on order in staff client
16:22 slef can't test that right now... leaving it for later
16:31 jcamins_away (you know what? I'm not really here)
16:47 jcamins_away For the record, every time I do manual indexing I have increased sympathy for Zebra and its ilk.
16:49 kf ilk?
16:50 jcamins_away Solr, Postgres' fulltext indexing, etc.
16:50 kf ah
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17:05 jcamins_away oleonard: regarding bug 8401, what about using eythian's fix for highlighting in the OPAC?
17:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8401 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Search term deleted from system preference content
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17:05 jcamins_away Would that help?
17:05 oleonard Do you have a bug number for that? I don't know it off the top of my head
17:06 jcamins_away Bug 5844?
17:06 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5844 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Unhilight cuts off some strings
17:06 jcamins_away No, wrong one.
17:06 jcamins_away There was a patch for that on a different bug.
17:06 jcamins_away I didn't realize there were duplicates...
17:07 jcamins_away I can't find it.
17:10 kf oleonard: crazy idea... coudl we forcefully unhighlight when clicking into a textarea?
17:15 vfernandes koha 3.10 80% translated to portuguese :) YEAH
17:16 oleonard jcamins_away: Bug 5844 is not fixed, if that's what you mean
17:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5844 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Unhilight cuts off some strings
17:17 jcamins_away oleonard: I thought that eythian had written a patch for that.
17:17 jcamins_away I guess I imagined it.
17:21 * oleonard knows jcamins_away dreams every night of people fixing bugs in Koha
17:28 rambutan anybody going (jcamins?)?
17:29 jcamins_away I doubt it.
17:29 Dyrcona rambutan: I'll be in Vancouver, BC at a different conference.
17:34 vfernandes pootle is being updated?
17:35 jcamins_away vfernandes: Yes, because there's a release coming up.
17:35 vfernandes humm ok :)
17:35 vfernandes so i will not do anymore translations today
17:36 jcamins_away You could probably keep working on it.
17:36 jcamins_away The vast majority of the strings will be the same.
17:37 vfernandes any idea when the proccess will be finished?
17:37 jcamins_away None.
17:38 vfernandes normally ruth send email at the end of proccess?
17:38 jcamins_away Yeah.
17:39 jcamins_away kf would probably know if she'd already done it and forgotten to send an e-mail, though.
17:39 vfernandes I will wait for it, and then I complete 3.8 (if there is any new string) and continue the 3.10 translation...
17:40 jcamins_away Makes sense.
17:49 kf huh?
17:50 kf sorry, just coming back to my desk
17:50 kf was there a question for me?
17:50 jcamins_away kf: we don't know if druthb updated Pootle.
17:50 kf no she didn't
17:50 kf I think
17:50 jcamins_away I thought you would know how to check.
17:50 kf she is travelling this week
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17:59 jcamins_away druthb_mobile! We were just talking about you!
17:59 druthb_mobile Uh-oh
17:59 * druthb_mobile hides
18:00 jcamins_away We were discussing whether the Pootle server had been updated.
18:00 jcamins_away Also, the salsa you sent looks delicious!
18:00 kf have to run! bye all
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18:00 druthb_mobile It has not.  I will do it this evening.
18:00 druthb_mobile And yay!
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18:22 cait back :)
18:32 gmcharlt is there anybody in channel interested enough in the BibTex export feature to do some testing with me?
18:32 * jcamins_away is indexing at the moment, but in principle is interested in BibTeX export.
18:33 gmcharlt jcamins_away: SOLD!  I'll ping you later when I have something for you to look at
18:33 jcamins_away Thanks.
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18:39 jcamins_away The room I am working in is _freezing_.
18:43 libsysguy same
18:43 libsysguy and I'm too cheap to turn on the heater
18:43 gmcharlt ... and there are sadly no kitties in my lap at the moment
18:43 jcamins_away lol
18:44 jcamins_away I'm currently at the Grolier, in one of the more picturesque but rather less insulated rooms.
18:45 slef hrrrrmph
18:45 cait gmcharlt++ :)
18:46 slef bug 8516 doesn't quite work right... I feel it should substring match fields, not exact.  What do you think?
18:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Pushed to Master , Add a "Street Address" search option to the patrons search
18:48 oleonard I would expect that as well slef
18:48 gmcharlt I agree
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18:49 slef looks like a change to C4::Members::Search() - do I substring some fields or all?
18:53 rangi morning
18:53 slef there's a searchtype parameter
18:54 slef rangi: hi
18:54 rangi hey slef, hows it going?
18:55 slef busy busy
18:55 rangi i hear that
18:56 slef how's things with you?
18:57 rangi not too bad, on leave this week, so i got some kind of flu
18:57 rangi other than that, fine :)
18:57 slef heh... often the way
18:58 rangi got a few new libraries lined up to migrate and some more to visit and chat with .. so it should be a nice busy year
19:01 cait cool :)
19:02 oleonard rangi: Cancel your vacation and put in for sick leave!
19:03 cait when you get sick here during your vacation you can get the vacation days back
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19:05 rangi heh
19:05 rangi oleonard: i have hmm 7 more weeks of leave
19:05 cait oh
19:05 rangi and 4 more will accrue this year
19:05 cait looks like you missed out on some vacation
19:05 rangi i never take all 4
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19:06 cait here if you don't take htem, you loose the time at some point
19:06 rangi here you cant lose them, its the law
19:06 rangi however they can make you take them
19:07 rangi cos its a liability for a company to have a lot of leave owing, as they have to pay it all out if you resign/get fired/whatever
19:08 slef I'm not familiar with England's holiday law... never tested it and generally doesn't apply to me. I think they can limit how much you take into next year, like cait describes (yay EU).
19:09 rangi you can cash in one week, if your employer agrees, the law just recently changed to allow that, but it has to be by mutual concensus
19:17 slef Bug 9407 has been added to the database
19:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9407 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , patrons search should match substrings
19:18 slef I've a one-line patch but I'm not sure it's correct
19:18 slef s/correct/optimal
19:19 slef do we ever want searches to use start_with instead of contain?
19:19 slef wahanui: commit messages?
19:19 wahanui Please follow the guidelines at[…]i/Commit_messages when writing commit messages.
19:20 rangi hmm for patron search?
19:22 cait maybe soome names owuld be difficult
19:22 cait if you can't do exact searches
19:23 rangi yeah might get too many hits
19:23 rangi if their name is a common syllable
19:23 cait and can't do anything about it
19:23 rangi *nod*
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19:38 cait hi kathryn :)
19:40 kathryn hi cait, I haz sunbeams and anticipate cereal, hows things with you?
19:40 cait hm cold, dark and snowy right now? :)
19:40 kathryn I'll share :)
19:40 kathryn not my cereal though ALLMINE
19:40 cait and cooking beets for the first time... we will see how that goes
19:40 kathryn oh yum
19:42 kathryn I hope you always wanted a pink kitchen!
19:42 jcamins_away I need to do something with my beets.
19:42 kathryn something to eat now or save for later jcamins_away?
19:43 jcamins_away kathryn: well, right now I'm indexing a catalog, but whether I'm doing something with the beets for dinner tonight or for some other time is still open to discussion. :)
19:44 cait :)
19:44 Dyrcona jcamins_away: Homegrown beets?
19:44 cait kathryn: thatwould go well with my pink hands :)
19:44 * kathryn pounces too eagerly on the beets
19:44 jcamins_away Dyrcona: nope.
19:44 jcamins_away They're from our CSA.
19:45 kathryn what's a csa?
19:45 jcamins_away Community Supported Agriculture.
19:45 kathryn ah, choice
19:45 jcamins_away We subscribed at the beginning of the season (winter, in this case), and every N weeks we get a passel of veggies.
19:45 Dyrcona jcamins_away: Close enough. :)
19:46 cait mine are from a subscription too :)
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19:46 cait I forgot to take them out... so now I have to cook them
19:46 * kathryn feels like wizzyrea is back in kansas
19:46 cait oh?
19:47 wizzyrea heh
19:47 jcamins_away The battery on my laptop is getting now.
19:47 jcamins_away The only outlet in this room is on the other side of the room.
19:47 kathryn she is invisible again! (downstairs working on the academy all week)
19:47 * jcamins_away will have to ponder how to address this.
19:48 kathryn PS jcamins_away my fave and easiest way to use beets is 1/2 and half grated beets and carrots with balsamic dressing and toasted seeds
19:49 cait mmh
19:49 cait raw?
19:49 kathryn yup!
19:49 cait hm
19:49 cait that sounds messy :)
19:49 cait grating it
19:49 kathryn in a wrap, in a burger, wtih your whatever on a plate
19:50 cait and last time I grated soething... didn't end well
19:50 jcamins_away I might make that.
19:50 jcamins_away I have a gazillion carrots.
19:50 kathryn yuss
19:50 * Dyrcona used to eat 'em raw right out of the ground as a kid on his grandfather's farm. (Hosed 'em off and sliced first, of course.)
19:51 * Dyrcona should get back to working on Evergreen and stop reminiscing of the farm that is no longer in the family.
19:52 wizzyrea oleonard do you have objections to 9398?
19:52 cait oh right
19:52 slef naw, roast them and make beetroot penne
19:52 wizzyrea beetroot penne! that sounds exotic
19:52 cait oleonard: could you take a look at the new accessibility patches? I forgot to ask you in the craziness of this afternoon :(
19:52 oleonard wizzyrea: I will test
19:52 slef cait: damn. So should it become a drop-down that defaults to starts_with?
19:53 kathryn roasted makes em the sweetest
19:53 slef kathryn: then a bit of cream, mix with cooked penne, sprinkle with walnuts and parsley IIRC
19:53 wizzyrea oleonard: thanks :)
19:54 kathryn slef: oh my! yum!
19:55 slef kathryn:[…]beetroot#recipe30
19:56 slef that's the one
19:57 MrAgent075 joined #koha
19:57 kathryn thanks slef!
19:57 MrAgent075 Good Morning. 2nd Last Day here at the Academy, let's get fixin'! :)
19:58 oleonard wizzyrea: I'm fine with Bug 9398
19:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9398 trivial, P5 - low, ---, agent.075, Signed Off , [ ? ] Link Lacks Context for All General Users (Accessibility) [Contexual Help]
19:58 slef Anyone else with an opinion on whether I should add another dropdown to the patron searching UI or silently try to pick defaults based on the fields?[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9407
19:58 huginn Bug 9407: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , patrons search should match substrings
19:58 wizzyrea Cooool
19:58 cait slef: I tihn making it an option would probably be good
19:58 cait and keeping the standard behaviour as default
19:59 cait wizzyrea might have opinions on patron searching too :)
19:59 slef kathryn: heartily recommended here. I think maybe we'll make it again soon, along with some more warming dinners for this frozen frozen time
19:59 * slef whinges about -13C and expects no sympathy from magnuse or cait
19:59 wizzyrea ok that's pretty cold
19:59 cait ouch
19:59 cait @wunder Konstanz
19:59 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -3.8°C (8:55 PM CET on January 16, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising).
19:59 slef we're not configured for this
19:59 slef @wunder Marham
19:59 huginn slef: The current temperature in Flick's, Weeting, United Kingdom is -5.1°C (7:57 PM GMT on January 16, 2013). Conditions: Light Freezing Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
19:59 cait not that cold here, but temperatures have gone down quite a bit
20:00 slef @wunder EGYD
20:00 huginn slef: The current temperature in Cranwell, United Kingdom is -5.0°C (6:50 PM GMT on January 16, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady).
20:00 slef @wunder EGYH
20:00 huginn slef: Error: No such location could be found.
20:00 slef huginn: you're crazy
20:00 huginn slef: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
20:00 slef @wunder EGGD
20:00 huginn slef: The current temperature in Bristol Airport, United Kingdom is -2.0°C (7:50 PM GMT on January 16, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Rising).
20:00 slef yeah warmer over there
20:00 slef why did I move?
20:08 cjh morning #koha
20:12 wizzyrea jcamins_away: 9179, is there a problem
20:12 jcamins_away bug 9179
20:12 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9179 trivial, P5 - low, ---, agent.075, Passed QA , Incorrect capitalization in
20:12 jcamins_away Nope.
20:14 aqualaptop jcamins_away: didn't need bug 9151 to install from commit 20a8efcad892673bdf0fbf1fdab906032a20680d
20:14 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9151 blocker, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Renewal notice according to patron alert preferences
20:15 jcamins_away aqualaptop: right, because that commit was pre-problematic patch.
20:15 aqualaptop oh right, was the commit i pulled in the other day
20:15 aqualaptop just git pulled
20:15 aqualaptop will try again
20:21 slef git bz?
20:21 wahanui git bz is so much fun :) or[…]_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL
20:21 aqualaptop jcamins_away: nope, still installs fine on commit 5167c32060609a08e73413986f94994bb10c3e9a
20:21 aqualaptop was there any settings I needed to check
20:21 * aqualaptop just had defaults
20:21 aqualaptop with marc21 iirc
20:22 jcamins_away No, gmcharlt had reported that install was broken.
20:22 jcamins_away I guess not.
20:22 * jcamins_away releases you from a reinstall loop so you can go back to what you were planning to do.
20:22 jcamins_away :)
20:22 gmcharlt jcamins_away: it is broken if one attempts to load the marc21 seed data
20:23 jcamins_away gmcharlt: oh, so it's not _all_ installation?
20:23 aqualaptop what option do i have to check to get that gmcharlt?
20:23 slef anyone else get "Cannot add bug reference to commit message(s); You must commit (or stash) all changes first" when trying to git bz attach?
20:23 gmcharlt jcamins_away: it mangles mandatory SQL -- specificically the notices
20:23 slef I don't understand why git bz is trying to commit anything :-/
20:23 gmcharlt so you don't get a terminally broken install, but you do lose some notices functionality
20:24 jcamins_away slef: git-bz automatically amends commit to add bugzilla links. It drives me nuts.
20:24 jcamins_away gmcharlt: got it. So it's more of a silent failure.
20:25 gmcharlt jcamins_away: not entirely silent; the webnstaller will complain, but it's easy for folks to breeze right past the error messages
20:25 aqualaptop gmcharlt: i didn't notice any error messages
20:25 aqualaptop was pretty bland
20:27 slef jcamins_away: git config bz.add-url false
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20:27 jcamins_away slef: good to know.
20:28 * jcamins_away just filed "La Quintinie" under Q.
20:28 slef Changes submitted for bug 9407
20:28 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9407 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , patrons search should match substrings
20:28 jcamins_away bug 9070
20:29 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9070 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Searching for authority from tag editor for field 650 gives error
20:29 slef bye all
20:29 jcamins_away The bug number is wrong in the subject.
20:30 aqualaptop gmcharlt: ah yup, i see a few error messages :D
20:30 gmcharlt aqualaptop: here's what the error looks like:
20:30 aqualaptop will try with the patch
20:30 slef jcamins_away: arrrrrgh
20:30 slef amending
20:31 slef I blame bloody nano
20:31 slef I think I will find if I can nuke that from orbit and make something saner (like ed) the default editor on that system
20:32 slef fixed
20:33 jcamins_away Thanks.
20:33 slef (some bright spark made ^K in nano kill the whole line, not Kut in the direction of the K...)
20:34 slef now really bye
20:34 wizzyrea k's kind of look like scissors
20:35 rambutan @wunder inverness
20:35 huginn rambutan: Error: No such location could be found.
20:35 slef wizzyrea: exactly... and U looks like an empty bucket and Y looks like a paste tool
20:35 slef (closing stuff down...)
20:35 aqualaptop i also get errors for sample_notices_message_transports.sql as well gmcharlt
20:35 slef @wunder Inverness, Scotland
20:35 huginn slef: Error: No such location could be found.
20:36 slef @wunder Inverness, United Kingdom
20:36 huginn slef: The current temperature in Inverness, United Kingdom is 0.0°C (8:20 PM GMT on January 16, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
20:36 slef tropical up there
20:36 rambutan yea, so how'd that happen
20:38 slef @wunder EGYM
20:38 huginn slef: The current temperature in Flick's, Weeting, United Kingdom is -4.9°C (8:36 PM GMT on January 16, 2013). Conditions: Light Freezing Rain. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
20:38 slef huginn: Weeting is nowhere near EGYM
20:38 huginn slef: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
20:40 aqualaptop gmcharlt: install works fine with that patch, how do i sign it off?
20:41 gmcharlt if you're using git-bz
20:41 gmcharlt first do git commit --amend -s
20:41 gmcharlt then git bz attach -e 9151 HEAD
20:42 gmcharlt the latter will open an editor window; you can munge the contents to obsolete my previous patch (to replace it with the signed-off version) and set the bug status to signed off
20:45 aqualaptop so to obsolete your one i just uncomment the line with your patch?
20:45 jcamins_away Exactly.
20:45 aqualaptop and to change status i just uncomment the signed off status?
20:46 jcamins_away Exactly. :)
20:47 aqualaptop i think i've done it
20:47 aqualaptop accidentally did it before obsoleting, so did it twice xD
20:47 aqualaptop so thats that?
20:47 cait aqualaptop++ :)
20:48 gmcharlt aqualaptop: yep, looks good
20:48 aqualaptop awesomesauce
20:50 cait good night all
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20:54 eythian jcamins_away: oleonard: my patch was to prevent the highlighting going into an infinite loop in some situations.
20:55 jcamins_away eythian: oh, different bug, but still to do with highlighting.
20:55 eythian it's possible I had another patch that I've forgotten, but I don't know because I may have forgotten.
21:13 aqualaptop can you set patch complexity in the git bz -e screen?
21:14 jcamins_away No you cannot.
21:14 aqualaptop swt
21:16 aqualaptop bam, my first patch in koha bug 9062
21:16 rangi not yet anyway :)
21:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9062 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Tax and discount should be formatted the same
21:16 rangi how good is your python aqualaptop ? :)
21:17 aqualaptop rangi: pretty good
21:17 aqualaptop want me to do that?
21:17 rangi that would be awesome!
21:17 aqualaptop can have a look through
21:18 rangi cool, jcamins_away added the ability to change status
21:18 rangi so he might have some pointers where to start
21:18 * rangi looks at bug 9062
21:18 oleonard Bye #koha
21:19 rangi cya oleonard
21:20 wizzyrea hey aqualaptop doesn't work at catalyst anymore so that signoff would totally count. :)
21:20 aqualaptop wizzyrea: well, i'm currently employed by catalyst currently, but for mahara stuff :P
21:20 aqualaptop but i put it on my personal email, as don't have a cat one anymore ;)
21:21 wizzyrea winning :)
21:21 aqualaptop rangi: will check the git log to see how he did that
21:21 wizzyrea i think it equals " get the new git-bz from xxxxx link"
21:21 wizzyrea it was linked yesterday
21:23 jcamins_away Yeah, my version of git-bz is at
21:23 jcamins_away I recommend the fishsoup branch.
21:23 jcamins_away The master branch was really a mistake, but oh well.
21:27 aqualaptop whats the difference between fishsoup and master?
21:28 jcamins_away Master is the branch that does not have additional fixes from upstream merged in.
21:28 jcamins_away (upstream being
21:29 aqualaptop ah right, so fishsoup would be the way to go then ;)
21:29 jcamins_away Yeah.
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21:38 aqualaptop rangi: so ibeardslee just pointed out that my patch isn't actually complete, there is an space before the % for discount but not tax rate
21:38 aqualaptop should i put another patch up?
21:39 jcamins_away You can do a follow-up, yeah.
21:39 aqualaptop swt
21:39 rangi[…]hunderstorm-watch
21:44 datadoctor I think I came up with a solution for the global systems preferences bug 8401. I haven't made a patch before, but I am going to try tomorrow, after more testing.
21:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8401 critical, P3, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Search term deleted from system preference content
21:46 aqualaptop have put another patch on bug 9062
21:46 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9062 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Tax and discount should be formatted the same
21:46 eythian rangi: and I put washing out this morning because it looked so nice :(
21:47 eythian and didn't bring a jacket
21:47 eythian I check the forecast almost every morning, just not today apparently.
21:47 rangi datadoctor++
21:52 datadoctor Right y'all. I'm off into the wild winter. Have a great day!
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21:55 Eduard hello i am looking for manual instalation of Koha in OpenSuse 12.x thank you
21:58 jcamins_away I don't think I've heard much about installing Koha on OpenSuse.
21:59 Eduard I see :(
22:01 Eduard maybe i may a email with that concern?
22:01 jcamins_away Sure, it's worth a try.
22:01 Eduard ok thank you :)
22:01 jcamins_away But if no one has installed Koha on OpenSuse recently, you probably won't get much of a response.
22:02 Eduard yes I know
22:18 aqualaptop rangi: I think i have git bz to do patch complexity
22:18 aqualaptop though need to test
22:18 aqualaptop so I think i'll find another easy bug ;)
22:21 rangi sweet :)
22:25 rangi gah i accidentally replied to both lists when replying to someone who crossposted
22:29 gmcharlt time for the pitchforks!
22:30 rangi heh
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22:33 BobB good morning all
22:36 rangi[…]to-prime-browser/  <-- we should do some prefetching, the nice html5 way
22:38 rangi hi BobB
22:38 BobB hi rangi
22:39 BobB back at work?
22:40 rangi nope, not til monday
22:42 BobB Cool, enjoy the final few days of break.
22:44 BobB hey rangi, a library that has been on Koha for a long time wants to change all the patron categories around.  Seems relatively safe to me.  Any gotcha's?
22:48 BobB it seems to affect mostly circulation and messaging, so as long as the right parameters are set in hte new categories ... ?
23:06 eythian BobB: my impression is that you're correct.
23:07 BobB hi Robin, thanks.  I've been scanning around archives and google and can't find any dire warnings.  :)
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23:15 rangi BobB: i concur
23:17 eythian I have 172 tabs open, no wonder firefox was being sluggish.
23:17 BobB I berate Irma for two dozen!  :)
23:18 BobB thx Rangi, and will back up and test :)
23:22 aqualaptop found and fixed anouther bug 9410
23:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9410 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Needs Signoff , Formatting of the discount field when doing a new order from new empty record is not correct
23:23 aqualaptop and got git bz to change patch-complexity fine
23:23 aqualaptop how do I get that patch in?
23:27 bag afternoon
23:29 BobB hi bag
23:29 bag heya BobB
23:30 BobB happy new year to you.  I think we can say that for another week or so, eh!
23:30 bag you too!
23:30 bag I guess we can
23:35 jcamins_away kathryn: very very very important question for you: how long does it take to roast medium-sized beets?
23:36 bag I usually always give them an hour
23:36 jcamins_away Hrm.
23:36 jcamins_away That'd mean 7:30 before the beet was finished roasting.
23:37 jcamins_away I think that means I need an alternate plan for dinner.
23:42 rangi aqualaptop: couple of ways, if your repo is public you can do a pull request or you could do a git format-patch and mail it to jcamins_away
23:43 jcamins_away Yes.
23:43 jcamins_away Either works.
23:44 rangi git format-patch
23:44 rangi git send-email
23:44 rangi is how id probably do it
23:45 * jcamins_away would probably be lazy and use git format-patch, <copy to web server folder and provide download link>
23:46 jcamins_away But that only works if you're doing your development on a web server.
23:46 rangi you can be really lazy
23:48 jcamins I have to say after six solid hours of indexing the thought of reviewing patches is more than a little daunting.
23:49 rangi git send-email rev-list
23:49 rangi and it will do the format-patch for you
23:49 rangi its quite trick
23:49 jcamins rangi: really? Nice!
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23:49 rangi 4929 koha:c252c0b % git send-email origin/master
23:50 rangi and i get
23:50 rangi /tmp/8wl_zQOQs3/0001-bug-9062-Fix-form​at-for-discount-rate-for-vendors.patch
23:50 rangi Who should the emails appear to be from? [Chris Cormack <>]
23:50 rangi very cool
23:52 mib_vt11xz joined #koha
23:52 mib_vt11xz good evening
23:52 jcamins Greetings.
23:53 MrAgent075 joined #koha
23:53 mib_vt11xz I am new in koha
23:54 jcamins Welcome!
23:54 mib_vt11xz thanks a lot
23:55 mib_vt11xz I have a problem with high cpu in
23:57 jcamins Checking books out?
23:58 mib_vt11xz we are just go live
23:58 mib_vt11xz we dónt know what do
23:58 mib_vt11xz high consumption cpu
23:58 mib_vt11xz inventory
23:58 jcamins Yes, what are you doing?
23:58 jcamins Ah.
23:58 mib_vt11xz thanks
23:58 jcamins Ummm...
23:59 jcamins Inventory?
23:59 mib_vt11xz yes sir
23:59 jcamins isn't used for inventory.

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