IRC log for #koha, 2012-12-11

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00:09 jcamins dcook: questions about ICU?
00:10 dcook jcamins: Yep. Have thought about moving a library over to using ICU so that the Arabic is indexed properly
00:10 jcamins Go for it!
00:10 dcook I figure it should work fine using an icu_chain locale of "ar", but I wonder if that will cause problems with the English and French records
00:11 dcook Since it's a multilingual library
00:11 jcamins Nope. No problems at all that I know of.
00:11 jcamins How many records?
00:12 jcamins If >500k, you might need the very latest version of Zebra.
00:12 dcook It's only about 10,000 bibs
00:13 jcamins In that case, I don't think you'll run into problems.
00:14 dcook Glad to hear it :)
00:14 dcook I'm confused by the purpose of the locale attribute then though
00:15 jcamins To be honest, me too.
00:15 jcamins I search Hebrew records with a locale of fr.
00:15 dcook Yeah?
00:15 dcook Intriguing
00:15 jcamins Yup. :)
00:15 jcamins I'll just confirm that it's still working on Master.
00:16 jcamins One moment...
00:16 dcook Excellent. Thanks, jcamins :)
00:16 drojf rangi: i guess it would have worked, thanks. now i apparently have no space left on device and rather go to bed :/
00:17 jcamins I'm sorry, my locale is ""
00:17 jcamins And, yes, searching for Hebrew works great.
00:17 jcamins So I think you should be fine with any locale at all. :)
00:18 dcook Sweet!
00:18 dcook Thanks for looking to that, jcamins
00:18 dcook jcamins++
00:18 jcamins You're welcome.
00:18 jcamins I love easy questions.
00:19 dcook Hehe. I love easy answers
00:19 dcook I'll have to do my test later on. I think there might still be some issues with Arabic that ICU doesn't solve without some customizations, but...that's another story
00:19 dcook I'll have to remember to report back on how it turns out.
00:20 jcamins Which issues?
00:21 jcamins There's an icu chains file for handling al- (why did I disable the Arabic keyboard? It makes it difficult to type in Arabic).
00:21 dcook Karam Qubsi mentioned something about prefixes and suffixes
00:21 jcamins And Zebra doesn't do stemming for Arabic no way, no how.
00:21 jcamins Yeah, that's the one I meant. It's in e-mail an e-mail somewhere.
00:21 dcook Mhm
00:21 dcook[…]s.koha.devel/8833
00:22 dcook I didn't notice this before either:[…]of_Arabic_records
00:22 jcamins That's the one.
00:22 jcamins Oh, wow, nice page!
00:24 jcamins Hm.
00:24 jcamins Hm.
00:24 jcamins Oh, I already said that.
00:24 drojf you only need to turn the syspref on for 3.8?
00:24 jcamins I think there is a way to map a prefix to nil. That'd be convenient.
00:25 jcamins drojf: no.
00:25 jcamins I should update that.
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00:26 dcook By all means. It would be worth adding a mention that setting a locale still allows one to index other languages properly. I would say it's easy to test, but only if one has records in multiple languages and has knowledge of those multiple languages.
00:28 dcook Hmm, the layout isn't quite right on that page..
00:29 jcamins dcook: you mean because I'm presently editing it?
00:29 jcamins Sorry.
00:29 jcamins I'll be done soon.
00:29 jcamins -ish.
00:30 dcook Oh no, it's just the part about modifying default.idx is only under 3.6 and under
00:30 dcook There's no mention in 3.8+
00:30 dcook Mind you, that might be because there was a change to use a variable set by Makefile, I think...
00:31 jcamins Right.
00:31 dcook But one would still need to change from the .chr file to the .xml file somehow..
00:31 jcamins That's what I'm changing.
00:31 dcook Ahh
00:31 dcook *thumbs up*
00:31 jcamins The point of confusion was the addition of the "UseICU" syspref, which does not enable ICU, but was added for 3.8.
00:32 jcamins Fixed.
00:36 dcook Cool :)
00:38 dcook I just requested a wiki account, but could you add a bit at the bottom about how other languages will still be indexed correctly despite the customizations for Arabic?
00:39 dcook I might be a bit OCD, but I imagine someone else might have the same question eventually
00:40 jcamins Good idea.
00:41 jcamins Done.
00:42 jcamins Okay... am I wrong to think that Blue ray is entirely unnecessary at this juncture?
00:43 dcook Sweet. Thanks, jcamins
00:44 dcook Blue ray as in Blu-ray? I certainly wouldn't disagree..
00:44 jcamins dcook: right, whatever it's called.
00:44 jcamins See how much it occurs in my world? ;)
00:45 dcook Haha. No kidding
00:46 dcook Can't say that I have any myself or know anyone that does
00:46 wizzyrea i would find it infinitely amusing if we went to strictly digital distribution
00:46 wizzyrea of course that would really suck
00:46 wizzyrea because you can still rip blu rays
00:46 wizzyrea and get a drm free copy
00:47 dcook I suppose that's the downside, but optical media seem so passé at this point, despite certain...vulnerabilities they might have
00:48 jcamins We have non-USian films on DVD.
01:05 dcook Well, time to call it a day. Thanks again for the info and test, jcamins
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05:58 reeset I'm curious -- is there an API method that will return the koha version number?
05:58 reeset I've been chatting with Galen and a few folks playing with the MarcEdit work I've been doing and they want the ability to edit item data...
05:59 reeset but the api seems to indicate that this only works in 3.8 and I'm not sure how quickly people move their versions forward.
05:59 reeset Especially since the testing instance Galen had setup for me was using -- so I can't even test the ?item=1 bit on the api.
06:00 reeset I'm also curious of this is just supported on the update record API.  I can see folks wanting to add items when creating new records as well -- but the documentation doesn't say if the ?item=1 bit is supported or necessary for that purpose and I can't test it.
06:13 rangi 3.8.8 will be out on the 22nd of december, 3.8.0 was out in april
06:14 rangi but no there is no api method that will return the versionnumber
06:14 reeset So then do most people update right away -- because some API functions only work with 3.8.
06:14 rangi 3.6.x is still supported
06:15 rangi nope, some people are still running 2.2.x versions from 2004ish
06:15 reeset Ok -- that's somewhat problematic -- but I'll figure out how to try and deal with this without confusing folks.
06:18 reeset Does the new record api support the item bit setting for adding items or will it do that by default?
06:18 rangi we do 6 monthly feature releases, and monthly bugfix releases, but people pretty much upgrade whenever they want, some always run the latest releases, lots don't
06:19 rangi probably do that by default, if you record has 952 data
06:19 reeset I figured that might be the case -- I was just hoping I was missing an API call to get version since presumably, as api are added, you'll need specific versions to support them
06:19 reeset Ok -- I'm hoping that's the case
06:20 reeset I'll see if Galen can update the test instance he's setup for me to work with and check the behavior
06:20 rangi actually it looks like new_bib will ignore itemdata unless you set the items param
06:21 reeset That's kind of how I read it, but it doesn't actually say it supports it in the documentation.
06:21 reeset so I wasn't sure
06:22 rangi yep, and it will support UNIMARC, NORMARC and MARC21, depending on what they have set they systempreference to
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06:27 cait lol
06:28 cait morning #koha
06:29 rangi hi cait
06:30 cait morning rangi :)
06:30 cait um evening
06:41 * magnuse waves
06:41 magnuse cait: you're starting the day with a lol? yay!
06:41 cait I was laughing at the motd
06:41 cait :)
06:41 magnuse hehe
07:27 alex_a bonjour
07:27 alex_a bonjour magnuse cait and rangi !
07:27 cait hi alex_a :)
07:28 rangi heya alex_a
07:30 magnuse bonjoiur alex_a
07:30 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:30 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0°C (8:00 AM CET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:30 magnuse @wunder boo
07:30 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:20 AM CET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:31 alex_a The difference is just -
07:31 alex_a :)
07:31 rangi @wunder nzwn
07:31 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
07:32 magnuse ooh, height of summer...
07:32 magnuse alex_a: yeah, not much of a difference!
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07:39 reiveune hello
07:39 wahanui hey, reiveune
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07:42 magnuse oops, looks like someone at bywater have a server to kick
07:43 cait git?
07:43 wahanui somebody said git was[…]Control_Using_Git
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07:52 julian_m hello
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08:13 gaetan_B hello
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08:24 drojf good morning #koha
08:24 drojf \o/ sjohnson \o/
08:26 clrh hello
08:26 wahanui hey, clrh
08:29 drojf bonjour clrh
08:29 kf hi drojf and clrh
08:29 drojf moin kf
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08:34 drojf is there a common practice for locally numbering the db revision if i add a patch that has not been pushed yet to a local package? the XXX irritates the perl tests. would i just take the next number? if i deployed such a package and later upgraded, would everything explode because there is going to be another db revision with the same number?
08:51 kf drojf: maybe just do an executable sql file?
08:51 kf there are probably examples in atomicsomething
08:51 kf I wouldn't mess with version numbers
08:51 kf it was said that the new updatedatabase mechanism will solve that... but I haven't looked at it yet
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09:09 drojf kf: i am thinking of having a package of koha3.x.x + bug_12345. to apply the patch i have to put something there.
09:18 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
09:18 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -0.2°C (10:13 AM CET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
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09:56 gerundio I'm getting this warning "zebraidx(23223) [warn] Missing attribute 'type' in attribute info"
09:56 gerundio any idea on how to fix it?
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10:13 vfernandes hi :)
10:14 gerundio hey vfernandes, bom dia
10:14 vfernandes bom dia :)
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11:07 H i'm fighting with koha here Net::Z3950::ZOOM XML::LibXSLT are missing i tried aptitude search lib...-...-perl sudo apt-get install lib...-...-perl anny more tips here (i work on a virtual server)
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11:26 slef H: what happened then you tried aptitude or apt-get?
11:26 slef second question?
11:26 wahanui second question is "What is the exact error message?"
11:27 gerundio H, the command you used was 'apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl'?
11:27 gerundio I was able to install that lib on my server with that exact same command
11:30 kf H: which version are you trying to install on which OS?
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11:56 H ubuntu 12.04 lts virtual machine i try 3.8.07
11:56 kf H: what is your goal? do you want to do development or just see how koha works?
11:57 kf H: have you seen the packages?
11:57 kf packages?
11:57 wahanui i think packages is at
11:57 kf you can install all dependencies very easily using the packages
11:59 H just a koha library no development .... sudo apt-get install koha-common does not work on my virtual machine so i wen t for the installation procedure in the txtfile (i've installed my test machine 6 months ago 3.8.1 this way)
12:00 kf you have to add it to your sources list first
12:00 H but now he wont move i tried cpan also but also no good
12:00 H i did do that
12:00 kf the repositor
12:00 kf and did it give you an error?
12:01 H $ echo deb squeeze main | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list
12:01 H this one
12:01 wahanui it has been said that this one is cool as long as someone *wants* acknowledgement
12:01 H this one again echo deb squeeze main | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list
12:02 kf i have never done it that way, i  normally go by the wiki instructions
12:02 H welll on my pc at home it works also lol :)
12:02 kf ah ok :)
12:02 kf not sure then
12:02 kf maybe someone else has an idea
12:03 H ill keep searching ... :OP
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12:15 H annyone knows how to solve this
12:19 jcamins_away H: yes, use packages.
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12:26 H with packages i get
12:28 jcamins H: I only see a log from trying to install libxml2-dev.
12:29 tcohen it sounds familiar... some1 pulling i386 packages on a amd64 box because of --set-selections maybe?
12:30 wajasu ok. got my script somewhat working that generates auth records.  the modbiblio works fine, adding my $9 links.  after zebra rebuild of biblios and auths i'm seeing consolidated bibs under the same heading now.
12:30 jcamins What I'd do is set up an apt line adding the oldstable repo then `sudo apt-get remove libxml2-dev; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install koha`
12:30 jcamins wajasu: told you it would go a lot better if you wrote a script intended to do that.
12:30 tcohen dpkg --get-selections | grep i386
12:31 tcohen (is it an amd64 box?)
12:31 H checking
12:31 tcohen uname -a
12:31 wajasu :)
12:31 H Linux koha-pr 3.2.0-24-virtual #39-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 21 18:44:18 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
12:32 tcohen did u use dpkg --set-selections < something?
12:32 H yes
12:32 tcohen that's the problem
12:32 H what can i do ?
12:32 jcamins tcohen: didn't we update the instructions to say to not do that?
12:32 jcamins H: use the packages rather than the tarball.
12:33 H the instructions did not work so
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12:33 jcamins H: did you add an apt line?
12:33 tcohen it was intended, in conjunction with bug 8840
12:33 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , fix and extend functionality
12:34 tcohen H, let me think for a minute
12:34 jcamins H: I promise you, we can get Koha working with packages.
12:35 H 1) i did do    $ sudo apt-get install dselect    $ sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages    $ sudo dselect
12:35 H that was 2)
12:35 jcamins Yeah, that doesn't work.
12:35 H i then tried to install the dependecies that did not work
12:36 H first with sudo apt-get install lib...-...-perl
12:36 jcamins Right, so I'd start by removing libxml2-dev
12:36 H then i tried cpan
12:36 H how do i do that ?
12:36 H only have 4 not working dependensies left
12:37 H i started with 10 so :)
12:37 tcohen for i in $(dpkg --get-selections | grep i386 | cut -f1) ; do echo -e "$i\tdeinstall" >> deinstall_list ; done
12:37 jcamins `sudo apt-get remove libxml2-dev`
12:37 jcamins Ooh, tcohen's script will do it even faster.
12:37 tcohen dpkg --set-selections < deinstall_list
12:37 tcohen so it stops pulling i386 deps?
12:38 tcohen i need to break my box like you to test
12:38 H ehm i did run the script
12:38 H how do i know its ok
12:38 H it did not gave errors :)
12:39 tcohen wait a minute
12:39 tcohen im breaking my box
12:39 tcohen to test first
12:39 H i'm not going annywhere
12:40 * jcamins will let tcohen take over, since he's willing to spend a lot more time testing this sort of thing.
12:40 H thx and sorry for the trouble
12:41 jcamins This is why I always tell people to use the packages.
12:42 jcamins Fewer moving parts.
12:48 tcohen we need to fully support Ubuntu then, because its really widespread
12:48 tcohen H, i'm still testing
12:48 H still here
12:48 H :)
12:49 H i'm taking notes so next time i maybe do it with less problems
12:49 jcamins tcohen: Ubuntu is fully-supported with packages.
12:49 jcamins tcohen: it is only the tarball that doesn't work with Ubuntu.
12:50 jcamins (apparently... I didn't know that before now)
12:50 tcohen H grab the file from the patch for 8840, it will print a copy and paste list of packages to tell apt-get to install
12:51 tcohen jcamins, true
12:51 tcohen the install instructions for ubuntu are broken a while ago
12:51 tcohen because of that --set-selections step
12:52 tcohen thats why mark and i put some effort on that script
12:53 H i found
12:53 H ill do ?
12:54 H this one /koha/koha-3.08.07/install​_misc/
12:59 jcamins tcohen: what about just doing sudo apt-get -y install `cat install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages | grep install | sed -e 's/install\$//' | tr -d ' \\t' | tr '\\n' ' '` 2>&1
13:00 tcohen that would be ok
13:00 tcohen its similar to the script actually
13:00 H i try ?
13:00 jcamins Sure, it's worth a try.
13:00 H ok there we go
13:02 H
13:03 jcamins Looks like you still have a whole bunch of i386 packages installed.
13:04 jcamins You'll need to remove all of them.
13:05 jcamins (you do this by running `sudo apt-get remove ${PKG_NAME} ${PKG_NAME}:i386`
13:05 jcamins At least, I believe that is how you do it.
13:05 jcamins I only ever use packages.
13:06 H ok that was faster then 1 by 1
13:06 jcamins It didn't do anything.
13:06 tcohen got it
13:06 jcamins You have to replace ${PKG_NAME} with each package you want to remove.
13:06 jcamins Oh good, now I return you to tcohen.
13:07 H ow ok so i go 1by 1 then :)
13:07 tcohen dpkg --get-selections '*' > selections
13:07 tcohen dpkg --clear-selections
13:07 tcohen for i in $(dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f1) ; do echo -e "$i\tinstall" >> install_list ; done
13:08 tcohen dpkg --set-selections < install_list
13:08 H is this afther i removed them ?
13:08 tcohen and test everything is back to normal
13:08 tcohen apt-get dselect-upgrade
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13:08 tcohen this will remove those i386 pull requests
13:08 nengard is there a way in mysql to get all subjects (all 650s) in one column? Some sort of CONCAT I'm sure ? just not sure how specifically
13:09 jcamins nengard: there's an example of a report that does exactly that on the wiki.
13:09 jcamins nengard: you wrote it.
13:09 nengard don't think mine was done efficiently
13:09 nengard but i'll take a look again
13:09 H ok i dont do the  `sudo apt-get remove ${PKG_NAME} ${PKG_NAME}:i386` but i do your code just a sec
13:10 jcamins There's nothing efficient about accessing MARCXML directly in MySQL, but it'll work.
13:10 nengard jcamins[…]yword_in_subjects
13:10 nengard that shows each subject heading once
13:10 nengard i want to grab all 650s in one column
13:10 pastebot "tcohen" at pasted "This secquence should revert t" (8 lines) at
13:11 nengard wait - that doesn't even show subjects :) that's finds specific words - sorry I'm very tired
13:12 nengard if i concat the 650 and group by biblionumber will that work?
13:12 jcamins ExtractValue always concats all the values it matches, doesn't it?
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13:13 H
13:13 tcohen run apt-get dselect-upgrade
13:13 tcohen (it shouldnt say it needs i386 dependencies)
13:14 tcohen if that's true, then you can use jcamins's command to install all the deps
13:16 nengard jcamins i have a report that it's not
13:16 nengard i'll test
13:16 H
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13:18 H i lost the jcamins command
13:19 tcohen first issue this:
13:19 jcamins sudo apt-get -y install `cat install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages | grep install | sed -e 's/install\$//' | tr -d ' \\t' |  tr '\\n' ' '`
13:19 H ah do i try or wait ?
13:19 tcohen echo "libxslt1-dev:i386 deinstall" | dpkg --set-selections
13:20 tcohen not sure why is still pulling it
13:21 H sudo echo "libxslt1-dev:i386 deinstall" | dpkg --set-selections  dpkg: error: operation requires read/write access to dpkg status area
13:21 tcohen put sudo before the dpkg thing
13:23 H no error
13:23 H ill run the command from jcamins ?
13:24 nengard jcamins - okay i understand he says there is no separator punctuation that way - it's just s a space
13:24 tcohen i'd rather run the script
13:24 tcohen and then install by hands the missing bits
13:24 tcohen jsut in case
13:25 H sorry i need some guidance here lol
13:26 tcohen ./ -m -u -c
13:26 jcamins nengard: right, there's no way around that that I'm aware of.
13:26 tcohen (sitting on the koha sources dir)
13:26 nengard yup, that's what I'm gonna say
13:26 nengard thanks for bearing with me tired brain
13:26 nengard my tired brain ? not me
13:28 H
13:30 H 2 that are required
13:30 tcohen H: apt-get install libdbd-sqlite2-perl libgraphics-magick-perl libnet-z3950-zoom-perl libxml-libxslt-perl
13:32 H
13:32 magnuse w00t - got search to work on the 3.10 packages!
13:32 H gratz :)
13:32 jcamins magnuse: yay!
13:39 tcohen H, did u get it to install properly?
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13:41 H see screenshot
13:41 H dont think it happened
13:42 tcohen sudo apt-get remove libxslt1-dev:i386
13:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9019: Return item fields in ILS-DI GetRecords <[…]5e636503604961674> / Bug 9191 follow-up: remove example updatedatabase stanzas <[…]5aa20da54a52534d8> / Bug 9191: should only run updates up to the current version <http://git.koha-commun
13:42 H done
13:42 tcohen sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade ?
13:43 tcohen is it still pulling i386 stuff?
13:43 tcohen do u know how to go private on your IRC client?
13:43 H no
13:43 tcohen i think we are spamming a lot
13:43 jcamins H: double click tcohen's name in the nick list on the right. :)
13:43 H test
13:44 jcamins Hm. No, that's not quite right. I thought it opened a separate window.
13:44 jcamins Or tab.
13:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #972 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #972: FAILURE in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/972/
13:44 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 9056 - Add more translations to table language_descriptions
13:44 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 9056: Increment version number
13:44 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 9191: should only run updates up to the current version
13:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9056 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, NEW , Add more translations to table language_descriptions
13:44 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 9191 follow-up: remove example updatedatabase stanzas
13:44 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 9019: Return item fields in ILS-DI GetRecords
13:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9191 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , must have ability to run updates only up to a particular revision
13:44 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9019 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , ILS-DI: GetRecords should return item fields in marcxml
13:45 jcamins Huh?
13:46 jcamins !jenkins build master
13:46 jenkins_koha jcamins: syntax is: 'build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]*'
13:46 jcamins !jenkins build master now
13:46 jenkins_koha jcamins: syntax is: 'build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]*'
13:46 jcamins !jenkins build Koha_Master now
13:46 jenkins_koha jcamins: job Koha_Master build scheduled now
13:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #973 for job Koha_master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #971 2 days 22 hr ago)
13:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #973: STILL FAILING in 6.5 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/973/
13:47 jcamins @later tell rangi I'm getting a permission denied error on jenkins. Any idea why?
13:47 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
13:49 jcamins !jenkins build Koha_3.10.x now
13:49 jenkins_koha jcamins: job Koha_3.10.x build scheduled now
13:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #30 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:51 jcamins Okay, so it's something about master.
13:52 drojf you're not the master of master
13:52 jcamins drojf: apparently not!
13:52 jcamins I just ran an installation off of master no problem.
13:52 drojf unfair!
13:52 jcamins Agreed.
13:53 drojf on a sidenote, i miss my daily email from sjohnson.
13:54 jcamins lol
13:54 kf drojf: now you feel neglected?
13:54 jcamins khall: around?
13:55 drojf kf: yes. i bet s/he has a different mailing list now :'(
13:58 drojf kf: but i have hope. christmas is coming, s/he will be out of office again :)
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14:02 magnuse drojf: i can set up a cron job to send you daily (or hourly) mails?
14:04 drojf aaaw :)
14:05 magnuse maybe i could throw a google group into the mix too :-)
14:06 kf magnuse: you are spoiling him
14:06 kf magnuse: have to keep some of the christmas presents a secret at least
14:06 jcamins Hehe.
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14:09 drojf lol magnuse
14:10 drojf you know how to make a drojf happy :D
14:12 slef huginn: query missing ]
14:12 huginn slef: Error: Spurious "]".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
14:12 slef huginn: query "missing ]"
14:12 huginn slef: No results for "missing ]."
14:12 slef huginn: query backups
14:12 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8437 major, P2, ---, jcamins, In Discussion , Plack and database backup
14:12 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Error log generated when not a demo system
14:12 slef huginn: query koha-run-backups
14:12 huginn slef: Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Error log generated when not a demo system
14:13 slef nope, that's not it
14:16 slef Bug 9260 has been added to the database
14:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9260 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-run-backups complains "[: 97: missing ]"
14:16 slef coding guidelines?
14:16 wahanui coding guidelines are[…]Coding_Guidelines
14:17 vfernandes which is the best way to test a bug using git?
14:17 slef vfernandes: test the suggested patch, you mean?
14:17 vfernandes yes...
14:18 slef if so, there's a "git qa" alias on the wiki which may help - uses git-bz which is also linked in the wiki
14:19 kf vfernandes: what I do is create a new branch, confirm the bug, apply patch wit git bz apply, then test, git commit --amend -s and then git bz attach -e
14:20 vfernandes ok thanks
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14:23 vfernandes what's happening with bug 1993?
14:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, sophie.meynieux, In Discussion , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write
14:25 jcamins Nothing.
14:25 wahanui nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though
14:25 jcamins No one has addressed the security concerns.
14:26 vfernandes Failed to merge in the changes. Patch failed at 0001 Bug 1993: Improving task scheduler When you have resolved this problem run "git am --resolved". If you would prefer to skip this patch, instead run "git am --skip". To restore the original branch and stop patching run "git am --abort". Patch left in /tmp/Signed-Off-Bug-1993-Impr​oving-task-scheduler-5KDy9a.p
14:26 vfernandes when running "git bz apply 1993"
14:26 jcamins I would recommend focusing on patches that are marked "Need signoff"
14:27 jcamins That's a git conflict. You'll get those with older patches.
14:27 vfernandes ok...
14:28 jcamins I'd recommend against spending time on that patch.
14:28 jcamins It's been signed off for months, and no one has addressed the security concerns.
14:29 jcamins Here's a list of bugs awaiting sign off:[…]gnoff&sharer_id=1
14:29 vfernandes ok jcamins... but I have a client problem that they want to use schedule task
14:30 vfernandes which is exactly that bug
14:30 slef A value must be set for the 'Patch complexity' field.
14:30 slef buh
14:31 slef There is no 'Patch complexity' field!
14:31 jcamins slef: change the status to "Needs signoff" but don't save it, then the patch complexity field shows up.
14:31 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right
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14:32 jcamins vfernandes: in that case, you could review the security concerns and try to address them.
14:32 slef wahanui++
14:32 slef jcamins: how do I change the status without saving it?
14:32 jcamins slef: in the dropdown.
14:32 jcamins You'll see what I mean.
14:32 slef jcamins: done that. There is no field.
14:32 jcamins I don't know of a better way to explain.
14:32 * slef looks at the page source code
14:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #30: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/30/
14:33 kf self: try refresh f5 or something
14:33 kf it's javascript - drojf had problems too
14:33 slef Grrrrrrr
14:33 kf complexity was not showing up for him, it's in yesterday's logs somewhere
14:33 vfernandes security concerns?
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14:34 slef wahanui: last --regex complexity --nolimit
14:34 slef oops
14:34 slef wahanui: last --regex /complexity/ --nolimit
14:34 slef wahanui: last --regexp /complexity/ --nolimit
14:34 slef wahanui: you suck
14:34 wahanui slef: excuse me?
14:34 slef wrong bot
14:34 slef huginn: last --regexp /complexity/ --nolimit
14:34 huginn slef: [14:33:07] <slef> wahanui: last --regexp /complexity/ --nolimit, [14:33:04] <slef> wahanui: last --regex /complexity/ --nolimit, [14:32:57] <slef> wahanui: last --regex complexity --nolimit, [14:32:24] <kf> complexity was not showing up for him, it's in yesterday's logs somewhere, [14:30:42] <jcamins> slef: change the status to "Needs signoff" but don't save it, then the patch complexity field shows up., (1 more message)
14:34 slef @more
14:34 huginn slef: [14:30:22] <slef> There is no 'Patch complexity' field!, and [14:29:26] <slef> A value must be set for the 'Patch complexity' field.
14:34 slef huginn: you suck too
14:34 huginn slef: I've exhausted my database of quotes
14:34 slef logs?
14:34 wahanui i think logs is
14:34 jcamins vfernandes: yes, they're on the bug.
14:35 kf it worked now after restart and ctrl+f5 <
14:36 slef <drojf> it worked now after restart and ctrl+f5
14:36 slef nope, can't see it
14:36 slef guess I have to permit bugs.k-c.o to run javascript
14:36 slef :-(
14:37 jcamins slef: probably, yes.
14:37 slef that doesn't look like it's worked
14:37 slef where should complexity appear?
14:37 jcamins Right under "Sponsored."
14:38 slef aha, so it does
14:38 slef bloody miles away from the other dropdown
14:38 slef as in, 1 page up, 1 page right :-/
14:39 slef Changes submitted for bug 9260
14:39 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9260 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , koha-run-backups complains "[: 97: missing ]"
14:39 slef vfernandes: I'll trade you that for the scheduler if you like
14:40 drojf slef: another fan of the complexity field i understand
14:40 jcamins @later tell rangi Could you please make the patch complexity field optional and always visible?
14:40 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:41 jcamins @later tell rangi The patch complexity field on
14:41 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
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14:41 drojf if it's optional it may be invisible too :P
14:41 vfernandes slef you want me to sign off the bug?
14:42 jcamins drojf: people will learn to set it.
14:43 jcamins drojf: but I have wasted far more time explaining to people how to set it than I would requesting that people set it.
14:43 kf jcamins: the problem was it hast to be optional then
14:43 kf not mandatory
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14:43 jcamins kf: yes, that's why I asked that he make it optional.
14:43 drojf if it is optional, noone is ever going to ask again ;)
14:43 kf all ok with that
14:44 jcamins drojf: right.
14:44 jcamins drojf: the people who develop a lot will fill it in because their RM demands it.
14:44 drojf that may be the point when the release manager's pointy stick comes in
14:44 slef vfernandes: review it. Only signoff if you agree with it ;-)
14:44 jcamins The people who don't develop dozens of patches don't actually need to set patch complexity, as far as I'm concerned.
14:45 slef Bug 9262 has been added to the database
14:45 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9262 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patch complexity field user interface is awkward to use
14:45 jcamins lol
14:45 slef @later tell rangi[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9262
14:45 huginn slef: The operation succeeded.
14:45 huginn Bug 9262: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patch complexity field user interface is awkward to use
14:45 jcamins @later tell rangi At this point we're just trying to see if we can leave more than 10k words with huginn for you.
14:45 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:46 drojf @later tell rangi sjohnson says 'hi!'
14:46 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
14:46 slef @later tell rangi (1 more message(s) - say "more" to view)
14:46 huginn slef: The operation succeeded.
14:46 drojf lol
14:47 paul_p druthb = seems is down again :'(
14:48 drojf did it move already?
14:48 druthb I'll restart things again.  Very peculiar.
14:48 druthb No, it hasn't.
14:48 vfernandes slef: ./koha-run-backups: 58: ./koha-run-backups: koha-list: not found
14:48 drojf then i wouldn't mind, just burn the old machine :P
14:49 slef vfernandes: ah, dang, you'd need to have the packages installed already :-/
14:49 jcamins khall: around?
14:49 khall indeed, what's up?
14:49 druthb do not tempt me in that fashion, drojf.  Gotta get it moved first.
14:50 jcamins I'm looking at bug 7067, and I was hoping you could walk me through some of it.
14:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
14:50 jcamins Let me switch to that branch.
14:50 khall ok
14:51 jcamins Here we go.
14:52 jcamins So I was looking at your unit test (84% statement coverage, BTW, very nice!), and I was wondering why you'd decided to make Koha::Borrower::Modifications OO.
14:52 khall I was told anything in the Koha namespace had to be OO or it wouldn't be accepted
14:53 vfernandes slef I can't test it, but the bug patch is very simple...
14:53 slef vfernandes: can you understand shell script and what the bug was before (the [ command thought the ] was on the end of the argument and not the closing ] delimiter)?
14:53 jcamins Nope. Anything for which OO makes sense should be OO, but if you have procedural data, the code can be procedural.
14:54 jcamins Let me find the guidlines.
14:54 jcamins coding guidelines?
14:54 wahanui coding guidelines are[…]Coding_Guidelines
14:54 paul_p druthb strange, because I can promise that 10mn ago, we waited for a page for more than 2 minuts, and never got any results :(
14:55 jcamins khall:[…]amespace_QA_Rules ("use Object Oriented (OO) style everywhere it makes sense")
14:55 druthb oh, I'm sure.  It was locked up hard.  I have restarted apache, and it's chugging along nicely now, for me, paul_p.  Working for you?
14:55 paul_p druthb yep, it works again. strange
14:55 vfernandes yes I understand the shell script and where the problem was
14:55 khall jcamins, that's good to know. I've been shot down on patches in the past *only* because they were not OO. Either my shooter didn't know this, or the rules were changed.
14:56 khall However, I don't think there is anything wrong with it being OO
14:56 * jcamins thinks the former.
14:56 khall If we get dbix class in, this code could become part of the class file for that table
14:58 jcamins The part of the OO code that troubles me is the if (ref($self)) idiom.
14:58 khall didn't I get that fixed? Or did I miss something.
14:59 drojf fwiw i got a "QA comment: This patch has one problem that must be solved before being pushed :  the Koha:: namespace must contain OO code only, the Koha/ is not OO" once from paul_p
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14:59 drojf maybe you people should have a fight over it
14:59 jcamins drojf: well, as the current RM I declare we are going to follow the guidelines the community agreed upon.
15:00 jcamins khall: line 206, 233, and 268 are where I spotted it.
15:00 jcamins Oh, and 320.
15:00 wahanui 320
15:00 jcamins Sorry.
15:00 kroditi druthb: hi ruth its paul teaching translation to kroditi
15:00 jcamins Missed one.
15:01 paul_p kroditi hello !!!
15:01 * kf is confused now
15:01 khall I can fix those. Just for my own education, what is the problem with that idiom?
15:01 paul_p kroditi hello again !!!
15:02 jcamins khall: the problem is that it makes for two entirely separate code pathways.
15:03 jcamins One is procedural, where you call the routines with Koha::Borrower::Modifications->​GetModifications(borrowernumber => $number)
15:03 jcamins The other is OO, where you call the routine $mymodifications->GetModifications()
15:04 khall ok, I'm still not understanding why it's a problem. What are the ill effects? Or is it just bad style?
15:05 jcamins It's stylistically problematic, but it also makes unit tests difficult.
15:06 jcamins It's the latter that troubles me more.
15:06 jcamins As the original author, it is your right to dictate the One True Way for retrieving Borrower Modifications in Koha.
15:06 khall gotcha. I was trying to make those subs work both statically and dymanically
15:07 jcamins Yeah, that's unnecessary.
15:07 khall cool. I'll get hose fixed up
15:08 jcamins Thanks.
15:08 khall no problem!
15:09 jcamins I also had a comment on the new() routine: the three lines starting with "my $self =" are unnecessary. By blessing $args directly, you eliminate the need to copy member variables.
15:10 jcamins And, finally, you're still passing hashes rather than hashrefs for new(), DelModifications(), and GetModifications().
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15:11 jcamins Sorry, just kidding. One more thing: in the test you should create the patron records that you're modifying. I don't have a patron named "Kyle Hall."
15:13 paul_p druthb = sorry to bug you, but it's down again...or at least very very very slow...
15:13 druthb checking
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15:14 druthb yeah, it's memory-bound.  gonna have to reboot things.  give me a minute or two here.
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15:16 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
15:17 druthb Fortunately, the system tcohen built for us has more memory, paul_p.  It should be back up now.
15:17 mtompset Greetings, druthb.
15:17 druthb Hi, mtompset. :)
15:17 libsysguy how much mem do you need?
15:18 mtompset I'd prefer to know how big are your circulation numbers and catalog. :)
15:18 druthb The server it's on now has 2 GB.  tcohen's box has 4 GB.  It takes a pretty grunty server to run.   mtompset: we're talking about the Pootle server, not a Koha box.
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15:18 slef ok, after considering the security concerns, with a signed-off patch, should I set status to Signed Off or Pushed for QA?
15:18 libsysguy geez tcohen its only the first date
15:18 libsysguy :p
15:19 mtompset Ah... Pootle... right, Queen of Translations. :)
15:19 slef (= I'm OK with it)
15:19 druthb :P
15:20 drojf hi mtompset
15:20 mtompset Greeting, drojf. Long time no chat. :)
15:20 slef Changes submitted for bug 1993
15:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, sophie.meynieux, Signed Off , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write
15:20 drojf mtompset: true. not much koha time for youß
15:20 drojf ?
15:21 mtompset Well, in November my family and I relocated back to Canada.
15:21 oleonard I hope the transition went well mtompset
15:21 kf slef: so are the security concerns no longer existing?
15:21 mtompset So, it's been jet lag and a bit of running around for Christmas and red-tape.
15:21 paul_p druthb strange, I can reach the, but not the http://translate.koha-communit[…]000.po/translate/
15:21 mtompset So, this is only the second time I've been on IRC since in Canada.
15:22 mtompset I figured I should come here to see if kf was having a late night. :)
15:22 * druthb beats her head against the wall, repeatedly.
15:22 kf mtompset: ?
15:22 drojf druthb: don't do that
15:22 mtompset bug 8840
15:22 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , fix and extend functionality
15:22 drojf the poor wall :P
15:23 * mtompset high fives drojf.
15:23 drojf o/\o
15:24 kf slef: I think the problem Vitor notedhas not been addressed? looking from the outside this looks like a failed qa for me for this
15:24 oleonard julian_m around?
15:24 kf slef: secuirty reasons set aside
15:24 druthb paul_p: Something is apparently amiss--trying to figure out what.  But when you do that, mysql just *hangs* on a query there, and sends the system into swapping spasms.
15:25 slef kf: the security concerns only existed if you installed multiple Koha sites without user-isolating them = your sysadmin cut corners.
15:25 julian_m oleonard, yes ?
15:25 kf slef: not all libraries installing koha have a sysadmin
15:25 mtompset user-isolating?
15:25 slef kf: true, I only tried to resolve the security concerns.
15:25 paul_p druthb = suggestion: there are some invalid translation (ie 4 %s in english, only 3 %s in greek). Maybe pootle is confused by this ?
15:25 kf so if a feature is on by default that can cause a flaw - I am not feeling comfortable with that
15:25 slef kf: how many install multiple Kohas?
15:26 kf witht he packages?
15:26 kf more and more every day
15:26 paul_p druthb = at least that made poedit-windows core dump...
15:26 kf because it's super easy
15:26 slef no, the packages avoid it completely
15:26 oleonard julian_m: Have you ever worked with require.js? (
15:26 druthb could be.  Hard to believe the darn thing is *that* fragile, though, that user error like that could trash the whole works.
15:26 kf slef: I think maybe we should ask semarie to take a look for security
15:27 julian_m oleonard, never heard about it... what is it ?
15:27 slef kf: for the security vulnerabilities to occur, you would need to run all virtualhosts as the same user (bad) and install multiple koha virtualhosts without realising they could interact (bad)
15:27 oleonard julian_m: It's a way to asynchronously load javascript dependencies
15:27 slef kf: if you use the packages, koha virtualhosts have their own users.
15:27 slef kf: so no problem.
15:27 oleonard julian_m: I'm just learning about it, but I hear great things about it
15:28 julian_m oleonard, so the browser load only js files it needs ?
15:28 oleonard julian_m: The idea is to load one js file (require.js) and then pass a configuration file to require.js telling it what other dependencies you need.
15:28 mtompset Ewww... slef, are you saying people install multiple koha's, but use the same DB?
15:29 slef mtompset: no, they'd need to install multiple koha's and run as the same system user (rather than koha-lib1, koha-lib2... like the packages do).
15:29 druthb paul_p: It's working for me, now.  Don't know what was triggering that hung query.
15:29 oleonard julian_m: I'm just beginning to learn about it
15:29 slef kf: there is another way to implement it, the equivalent of generalising rbuild_zebra = a job that runs every 5 minutes, looks to see what tasks it should do. That has its own benefits and drawbacks, so it's hard to say what's best.
15:29 mtompset Oh, okay. Now I get what you mean.
15:29 kf slef: I think I am going to leave this to wiser people (who know more about system administrationm)
15:30 julian_m oleonard, ok, let me know if you find something interesting ;)
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15:33 Manderson1 There was some friction between liblime and the koha community. Has that been resolved?
15:33 oleonard Ha!
15:33 drojf mtompset: i think using one db for several koha instances does exist when people want to have different OPACs layouts but share the data
15:34 khall jcamins, new qa followup submitted for bug 7067
15:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7067 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
15:34 jcamins khall: thanks. I'll take a look shortly.
15:34 kf Manderson1: I think you will have to explain why you are asking maybe. I thas been resolved as in 'separated'
15:34 oleonard Manderson1: We do our best to ignore Liblime because they don't want to participate in our project. Why do you ask?
15:34 jcamins Right now I'm revising coding guidelines so there won't be confusion.
15:35 khall cool
15:35 kf Manderson1: and the Koha we develop and their software are very different
15:37 drojf as are the conceptions of "free" and "open"
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15:40 tcohen mtompset is back!
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15:40 mtompset I missed you too, tcohen. ;)
15:40 tcohen hahah
15:41 mtompset Turns out our financial shortfall isn't as big as I was worried it would be, so just need to find 32 people at $25/month, and I'm back in the Koha game. :)
15:43 mtompset Well, errands to run. :)
15:44 drojf i could use 32 people at $25/month too
15:44 oleonard Nice work if you can get it
15:44 mtompset_AFK Yes, but do you work for a charitable organization? :P
15:45 jcamins Could someone take a look at rules PERL14-PERL16, and let me know if they make sense?[…]s#PERL14:_Exports
15:45 oleonard I work for a charitable organization wherein I am the beneficiary, but no one seems to agree that this counts
15:45 drojf mtompset_AFK: i only spread the word of koha, not a god :P
15:46 mtompset_AFK There in is our difference. :P -- And I'm not a preacher type. Just a cog in a larger translation ministry. :)
15:48 libsysguy I only have one addition to perl16
15:49 libsysguy you should separate $self from $args
15:50 jcamins libsysguy: you mean make it clear that for OO code (which the example isn't) $self and $args are different?
15:51 paul_p leaving Elidoc offices, back online in less than one hour !
15:51 tcohen libsysguy, do u think i went too fast with druthb?
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15:57 libsysguy jcamins yes thats exactly what I meant
15:57 libsysguy :p
15:57 libsysguy I had my OO hat on
15:59 libsysguy tcohen what do you mean?
15:59 tcohen "<libsysguy> geez tcohen its only the first date"
15:59 libsysguy ohh you were asking about the size of my collection
15:59 libsysguy it was a bad joke
16:00 tcohen oh, i get it, it was mtompset thou
16:00 * jcamins adds PERL17.
16:00 libsysguy soab, thats what I get for reading too many chat windows lol
16:01 libsysguy haha @PERL17
16:01 rambutan I think I should close my eyes.
16:03 kf georgia++
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16:10 mtompset_AFK OH! Now I get it too. Yes, I think libsysguy meant me. You know the stats I was asking about are useful to guessing how big a Koha server should be. :P
16:12 mtompset Okay, I'm back.
16:16 mtompset Out of curiousity, why PERL8? Is that for perl critic reasons?
16:17 jcamins myroutine($variable, undef, undef) is ugly.
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16:22 mtompset but then you know how many parameters are there.
16:23 jcamins mtompset: but you have no idea what they are without looking at the POD.
16:24 mtompset Yes, but if someone adds code elsewhere, they may not pass a parameter that they could, because they were looking at the smaller call version.
16:25 jcamins I'm not seeing how producing ugly code will help other people read documentation.
16:25 drojf "PERL10: Verboten subroutine parameters" <-- 'verboten' made it into the english language?
16:25 jcamins drojf: yes.
16:25 drojf cool
16:26 drojf one of the most german words :D
16:26 mtompset drojf: English takes other languages down a dark back alley and assaults them for language.
16:26 jcamins lol
16:26 chris_n hehe
16:27 drojf verboten          (Adj) Excluded from use or mention.  Derived from the German word meaning forbidden. "I had no problem getting to second base with her, but the chastity belt told me going any further would be strictly verboten."
16:28 mtompset ("English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over the head, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar."
16:29 * jcamins does a doubletake.
16:29 jcamins drojf: interesting example you found there.
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16:30 drojf great example at ;)
16:30 drojf it's even pronounced vaguely german. cool
16:32 Manderson1 Thanks for the info on Community vs Liblime. I am just curious of how they stand as a company in the eyes of the open source community.
16:32 jcamins Manderson1: they are not popular.
16:32 drojf Manderson1: outside of it
16:32 Manderson1 I have some information on how to install Koha on it still relevant?
16:32 Manderson1 Do you want it for the wiki?
16:32 oleonard Manderson1: You can usually tell by how old it is
16:33 drojf Manderson1: i believe it is, give us all you got
16:33 oleonard Manderson1: Is it for a current version?
16:33 Manderson1 oleonard: I know - their version seems dated.
16:33 Manderson1 oleonard: I installed 3.8 (I think) last month
16:33 oleonard that sounds quite relevant
16:34 Manderson1 k, hang on
16:34 Manderson1 got a place you'd like me to paste it?
16:35 Manderson1 or shall I just add it to the wiki?
16:36 jcamins You can just add it to the wiki.
16:36 Manderson1 Ok...I'll do that.
16:38 drojf Manderson1++
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16:45 drojf is the only thing that UseICU == 1 does change quotes in XSLT to curly brackets?
16:46 jcamins drojf: yes.
16:46 drojf heh. i'm slightly underwhelmed. don't know what i expected though
16:47 * jcamins doesn't either. :P
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16:48 drojf assuming it does that because $something does not work otherwise, wouldn't it have been less confusing to use curly brackets in general instead of syspref-ing this?
16:48 jcamins That's what we did for a while.
16:48 jcamins Except curly brackets don't work when ICU is disabled.
16:48 drojf ah-oh
16:48 jcamins Buggy CCL2RPN FTW!
16:49 drojf heh
16:49 drojf if only somebody would come and do a search rewrite
16:49 jcamins That's one of the few Zebra-related problems that isn't our fault.
16:52 drojf do a zebra rewrite then, too :P
16:53 jcamins No thanks.
16:53 jcamins It's one problem, and one which won't exist after the search rewrite.
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16:56 drojf \o/
16:57 mtompset He's a coding, cataloging expert, not a masochistic rewrite every search engine writer. ;)
16:57 jcamins Exactly.
16:58 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "I am easily amused..." (16 lines) at
16:58 jcamins You're welcome.
17:00 druthb lulz
17:01 jcamins There's a Shabbat song with the lyrics "bim bam" repeated over and over... I am imagining someone singing "fim bip, fim bam bip..."
17:06 druthb I'm thinking of the Python "Election Night Special" sketch, and candidate "Tarquin Fintimlimbimlimbimwhimbimlin Bus Stop Ftang Ftang Olay Biscuit Barrel".
17:06 drojf i would like to have something like that replace "last christmas"
17:06 jcamins lol
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17:08 drojf is 6pm a good time for looking at grs-1 to dom index conversion? i don't feel much like it.
17:09 jcamins drojf: it's never a good time for that.
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17:09 jcamins What are you trying to do?
17:10 drojf because we had customized it a little in an older version and want to have that once we go live, but we have a new machine and 3.8 with DOM installed
17:11 drojf and it would not hurt to know how it works with dom anyway. i figured it out with grs-1, it cannot be worse
17:12 jcamins True.
17:12 jcamins It's actually really easy.
17:18 drojf marcxml.recordtype: dom-config.xml
17:18 drojf iso2709.recordtype: dom-config-marc.xml
17:18 drojf interesting choice of filenames. let's call the iso2709-file something with marc.xml and the marcxml-file something else :P
17:19 jcamins lol
17:22 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period) everyone.
17:23 drojf do i just have to change biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl?
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17:24 drojf that looks way to easy
17:24 jcamins biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml and biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl.
17:24 jcamins biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl is automatically regenerated from biblio-koha-indexdefs.
17:25 * cait waves
17:26 cait what are you 2 up to? :)
17:26 jcamins Mischief!
17:27 drojf alright. i had a look at this sometime in the past but never really worked with it
17:28 drojf hi cait
17:30 cait :)
17:34 oleonard Bug 9265
17:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client
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17:45 * drojf heads home
17:58 magnuse yay for html5
17:59 oleonard Too bad it complains about <link rel=”unapi-server”>
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18:09 tcohen question, should apache2 and mysql-server be listed in install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages?
18:09 tcohen provided we tell the user how to install them separately on the docs?
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18:11 cait hi tcohen
18:11 cait working on the bug?
18:11 tcohen which one?
18:11 wahanui well, which one is 3.6.x?
18:12 tcohen :-D
18:12 cait heh :)
18:12 tcohen oh, hte one that failed qa
18:12 cait the one I was looking at yesterday
18:12 tcohen i'm about to post a patch for the docs
18:12 tcohen INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04
18:12 cait ah cool :)
18:12 tcohen that issues a oneliner for installing without the dpkg --set-selections mess
18:12 cait was wondering what went wrong there
18:13 tcohen there are two problems
18:13 tcohen first, ubuntu.*packages files might be outdated
18:14 tcohen second, we intended to make use of an unused script for providing the users
18:14 tcohen a sane way to install dependencies instead of plain dpkg --set-selections
18:14 cait hm it listed the one i removed for testing
18:15 tcohen didn't it say it was the wrong verison?
18:15 cait nope
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18:15 tcohen i should have read your report :-D
18:15 cait i copied the output...
18:15 cait sorry typing while eating dinner - slow :)
18:16 tcohen i started the fix for the docs when speaking to that H guy about his broken dependecies after dpkg
18:20 tcohen cait, i've read your report
18:20 cait ok
18:20 tcohen i'll check what is wrong
18:20 cait cool:)
18:28 tcohen internet got too slow, leaving home then
18:31 rangi Morning
18:31 wahanui Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:33 rangi I'll look at bugzilla when I get to my desk
18:33 jcamins Thanks.
18:33 jcamins I hope you appreciated our efforts to give you enough reading material for the entire bus ride. :)
18:35 rangi Heh
18:35 jcamins Wow.
18:36 jcamins It takes very little time to get used to decent relevance ranking.
18:36 jcamins Did I really survive with authority search results this dreadful for three years?
18:37 jcamins Why would I do something like that?
18:37 jcamins Not to mention, how?
18:39 rangi Hehe
18:41 rangi Oh hey does anybody have a framework with the rda fields in it?
18:41 * jcamins doesn't, sorry.
18:41 jcamins I mostly just cry when asked about RDA. :P
18:41 druthb jcamins:  RDA?
18:41 wahanui somebody said RDA was a room in a twisty maze of standards
18:41 jcamins That's the one.
18:41 druthb I didn't ask you, wahanui.
18:41 wahanui druthb: what?
18:41 druthb I asked jcamins.
18:42 * druthb wants to see if he'll cry.
18:42 jcamins lol
18:42 rangi I figure I could do one pretty fast
18:42 rangi It's mostly to prove a point
18:42 jcamins Yeah, it's very readily doable.
18:43 jcamins (he says through tears)
18:43 rangi I've heard natlib say it would be hard for koha to do it
18:43 rangi So I want to be all look its done, your move
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18:44 jcamins They've misinterpreted "why would we want to waste our time on a standard that no one can afford to use?" as meaning the same thing it does when an average proprietary vendor says that.
18:44 jcamins (valid HTML? Why would we want to support that?)
18:45 rangi Hehe yeah
18:45 rangi I'll do it today and post it on the wiki
18:45 rangi I'm annoying like that
18:49 Manderson1[…]dhat_Enterprise_6
18:49 rangi Yay :)
18:49 Manderson1 still have more work to do on it, but it's a start
18:49 jcamins manderson++
18:49 rangi You should definitely email Daniel (the newsletter editor) about that
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18:50 rangi He is always asking for news
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18:54 jcamins Does $variable =~ s/something//; return true if it makes the replacement?
18:55 jcamins Yesss, I think so.
18:55 rangi Yep
18:57 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:57 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 12, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
18:59 druthb @wunder 66046
18:59 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 6.5°C (12:58 PM CST on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
19:00 paul_p jcamins are you about ?
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19:01 paul_p @wunder athens, greece
19:01 huginn paul_p: The current temperature in Kalamaki - AirMar, Alimos, Greece is 13.2°C (8:55 PM EET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
19:01 jcamins paul_p: yes I am.
19:01 paul_p jcamins = could you remind me what's your rule about unit tests for 3.12 ?
19:02 jcamins paul_p: unit tests are required for all new routines in C4:: and Koha::.
19:02 paul_p I see a patch that adds a sub in C4/ and has no unit test => failed QA, right ?
19:02 jcamins Unit tests are welcomed for changes to existing routines, but not required... yet. ;)
19:02 jcamins Yes.
19:02 jcamins That is correct.
19:02 rangi Ok my stop bb after coffee
19:19 oleonard Lots of fun new errors from the validator after switching the doctype
19:21 oleonard " A table row was 4 columns wide, which is less than the column count established by the first row (5)" Why didn't the XHTML validator give errors like that?
19:21 jcamins oleonard: it was being extensible? :P
19:22 oleonard jcamins: Not without the right doctype
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19:45 rangi back
19:47 cait wb
19:48 rangi jcamins: ok patch complexity is now optional and always visible
19:48 rangi jcamins: what was the jenkins thing?
19:49 jcamins rangi: it's failing prior to starting the build, and I can't see why.
19:49 jcamins I was able to build and install on my server.
19:50 rangi ill look
19:50 jcamins Thanks.
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19:52 tcohen samsung's BIOS upgrade: acpi battery status working at last on ubuntu!
19:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #974 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #971 3 days 4 hr ago)
19:53 paul_p rangi  (& jcamins maybe) = "ok patch complexity is now optional and always visible" => why did you change that ?
19:53 rangi because jcamins asked me to
19:53 paul_p ok, so jcamins why did you asked that ? ;-)
19:54 cait because various people have reported problems with it
19:54 * paul_p QAed 13 patches today, that will be enough for today ! (I'm tired, need some sleep, 10PM in greece)
19:55 jcamins paul_p: because with patch complexity mandatory, asking questions and submitting patches becomes a burden.
19:55 jcamins It's easy for me to tell people "you must set patch complexity or we will assume it's a very complex patch and save it for when we have lots of time free."
19:56 paul_p with this field being non mandatory, i'm pretty sure it will be ignored & not set... & I think it's a damn usefull information !
19:56 jcamins But I can't use git-bz to handle my workflow with the field set to mandatory, and we have non-developers worrying that they're doing things wrong.
19:56 jcamins It is, but I would prefer to spend more time saying "please provide this information" and less time manually attaching patches.
19:56 rangi jcamins: the build got further this time, i think just permission errors int he jenkins dir, fixed now
19:56 jcamins rangi: thanks.
19:56 paul_p jcamins but non developpers don't submit patches, so they don't have to fill this field !
19:57 jcamins Yes they do.
19:57 paul_p jcamins ???
19:57 wahanui jcamins is very, very irascible.
19:57 jcamins They want to ask a question about a patch someone submitted?
19:57 jcamins "Oh, sorry, you can't save your comment unless you set patch complexity!"
19:57 rangi or even add themselves as cc
19:57 jcamins Right.
19:57 jcamins Also, apparently it requires javascript in order to show up at all.
19:58 paul_p jcamins ah, ok, it's a problem for patches submitted before I set this information. In this case, maybe the best option is to bulkmodify all those bugs with patches with a default complexity value ?
19:58 paul_p jcamins right, it requires javascript
19:58 tcohen we will all fill that field
19:58 jcamins tcohen: at least you will after I start rejecting things 'cause it's not filled in. ;)
19:58 tcohen the second time a dev tells us we forgot... we wont again
19:59 jcamins I don't believe in technical solutions for political problems or vice versa.
19:59 paul_p ok, let's do it like this, we will see how things goes.
19:59 jcamins Yes we will.
19:59 tcohen i see politics everywhere
20:00 jcamins tcohen: well, yes, but there are some political issues that can best be solved by the RM (me) saying "this is the rule. Follow it, or I won't push your patches."
20:00 paul_p OK, have a good day kiwis & aussies, have a good afternoon americans, have a good night europeans !
20:00 tcohen heh
20:00 tcohen bye paul_p
20:00 paul_p jcamins is switching from RM to BD -Benevolent Dictator- ;-)
20:01 jcamins paul_p: there's a difference?
20:01 jcamins :P
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20:02 oleonard Under what circumstances does the OPAC show "SEARCH_RESULT.AuthorisedValueImages"
20:02 oleonard What kind of authorized value might display an image in OPAC search results?
20:02 jcamins oleonard: when you have bib-level item types, I thin.
20:02 jcamins *think
20:03 oleonard I don't think so, because it's another column that is wrapped in [% UNLESS ( item_level_itypes ) %]
20:04 jcamins Oh.
20:04 jcamins Then... I don't know.
20:05 rangi jcamins: the R there means required?
20:05 rangi NR not required?
20:05 jcamins Repeatable.
20:06 jcamins And non-repeatable.
20:06 rangi ah ha thanks
20:17 rangi yay, another library card
20:17 rangi from alaska this time
20:17 cait cool!
20:19 mustard cool beans
20:21 tcohen bug 9267, after IRC helpdesk work for that H guy :-P
20:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9267 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Ubuntu 12.04 install docs broken
20:25 tcohen cait, about bug 8840, the problem is the ubuntu.12.04.packages is not properly maintained (i guess)
20:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , fix and extend functionality
20:36 tcohen bye #koha
21:01 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
21:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #974: FIXED in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/974/
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21:13 * drojf slaps his network
21:17 cait poor network
21:17 * cait takes it away from drojf
21:18 drojf cait: are you trying to pull my wifi cableß
21:19 drojf ?
21:19 cait with the force...
21:19 * cait has played angry birds star wars
21:19 drojf lol
21:20 wizzyrea jcamins: it was not fixed on that page
21:20 wizzyrea (because I just fixed it in master ;)
21:20 wizzyrea I checked those bugs
21:20 drojf i had angry birds hd on my tablet. at one point i lost the saved game and finally could stop to play it
21:20 jcamins wizzyrea: are you on Chrome?
21:21 wizzyrea no
21:21 wizzyrea really, i swear, it's a different place
21:21 jcamins Darn... wanna fix it for Chrome too, please? :P
21:22 wizzyrea you were thinking of[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8557
21:22 huginn Bug 8557: normal, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , in and the use of a barcode scan send the form unexpectedly
21:22 jcamins Yes.
21:22 jcamins Which still doesn't work under Chrome.
21:22 wizzyrea hmm that would take some thinking
21:22 jcamins Oh, no, I know why it does that.
21:22 jcamins Chrome propagates events.
21:22 wizzyrea I will if I can figure it out.
21:23 jcamins It's submitting a higher level form.
21:23 jcamins It's one of those things that I thought about and decided I didn't really care, and I'd let someone else fix. :P
21:24 drojf lol
21:25 wizzyrea :)
21:25 rangi so i posted about RDA on 12/12/12
21:26 rangi IVE DOOMED US ALL!!!!
21:26 cait so it is
21:26 wizzyrea OMG
21:26 jcamins lol
21:27 wizzyrea yea, idk why people aren't excited about TODAY and not the 21st
21:27 wizzyrea i mean 12 12 12 is much scarier than 211212
21:27 wizzyrea if we're going to be arbitrary about it.
21:27 eythian it'll be the last repeating date until 2101
21:27 cait wizzyrea: I will worry about that tomorrow :)
21:28 trea hehe
21:28 cait that was fast
21:30 rangi apparently people thought it was all hard and complicated and stuff :)
21:31 drojf goodness, what's with the license fees for the toolkit? is it made of gold?
21:32 cait I have seen it - no gold
21:32 rangi it's a rort
21:32 rangi a way to suck money from the public sector
21:33 drojf We are certain you will find that it is the most effective way to interact with the new standard.
21:33 rangi "why do you charge that much?" "because we can"
21:33 drojf lol. a standard you gotta love
21:37 cait and another...
21:37 cait doom.
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21:37 rangi it's all RDA all the time
21:37 wizzyrea seriously that makes kids cry.
21:38 wizzyrea tiny library children are weeping
21:38 wizzyrea just sayin.
21:38 rangi theres a field for that
21:38 wizzyrea "don't pay for this ridiculous toolkit... buy us boooooooks"
21:39 drojf Radioactive dentin abrasion (RDA) is a method of measuring of the erosive effect of abrasives in toothpaste on tooth dentin.
21:39 drojf that explains everything
21:39 cait lol
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21:39 cait wizzyrea: I agree :(
21:39 cait but germany is into rda too :(
21:41 drojf i'm not
21:42 rangi there's a field for not being into RDA too
21:42 drojf heh
21:42 rangi 339 - DOES THIS SUCK $a YES
21:42 cait lol
21:42 drojf if i only had some crazily expensive toolkit to tell me how to use it
21:42 wizzyrea ah comedy
21:42 wizzyrea there's a field for that.
21:42 rangi drojf: i can sell you one
21:42 cait really, who does think this is a good idea for a standard libraries are supposed to use?
21:43 cait I mean, ok, the big ones will, but all the small ones will not care and stick with the old standard
21:43 cait and then nothing will be won
21:43 cait maybe I am missing the point
21:43 drojf money will be made
21:44 drojf also, money will be lost somewhere where it could have been used for better stuff
21:44 drojf but anyway, $$$
21:44 jcamins drojf: isn't that the point?
21:44 drojf yes
21:44 drojf it is
21:44 drojf imagine all those subversive books that libraries don't buy now
21:45 drojf who needs wages when you have the joy of library work?
21:47 jcamins Oh, I have a question for eythian.
21:48 jcamins eythian: if I am the maintainer of a CPAN module that I am distributing as a .deb (in addition to as source), would the correct way to handle it be to have a separate apt repo, or would you want me to provide you with a copy of the .debs?
21:49 jcamins (assuming this CPAN module was a dependency shared by Koha and Evergreen)
21:49 drojf i would want you to provide debian with a copy :P
21:49 jcamins (which it is)
21:49 jcamins drojf: can I do that?
21:49 jcamins I'm not a Debian developer.
21:49 drojf i think getting your stuff in debian is a slow and complicated process. probably eythian knows more about it
21:49 rangi you can
21:50 rangi the debian perl team are cool
21:50 rangi you don't need to be a DD
21:50 rangi
21:50 rangi[…]w_to_get_involved
21:51 * eythian is on the phone
21:51 drojf #debian-perl
21:51 drojf right around the corner
21:53 jcamins Ooh, I could help get libchi-perl into Debian.
21:53 rangi that would be handy!
21:54 jcamins Their page says it requires some adoption.
21:54 jcamins Because, you know, I have so much free time...
21:58 jcamins Argh! So close to having patches to submit for bug 9239!
21:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
21:59 jcamins Like, I'm just a couple of commit messages and a small revision away.
21:59 jcamins But I have to leave now.
21:59 drojf rangi: making the librarians take over support on the mailing list did not really work, did it?
21:59 eythian yeah, getting perl modules in to debian is reasonably straightforward.
22:00 rangi not as yet drojf
22:00 rangi maybe they answered off list?
22:00 drojf ah yeah i forgot about that option
22:00 drojf i believe they did :)
22:01 jcamins[…]ch_rewrite_submit
22:01 wizzyrea seems almost certain - the guy really had no idea about what he was actually doing!
22:01 cait jcamins: looks like the project is progressing nicely :)
22:01 * wizzyrea is so proud of jcamins :)
22:01 jcamins I have to revise the second-to-last patch and squash it into the previous patch, and give the combined patch a useful commit message.
22:01 rangi nice!
22:01 * cait sends jcamins cherry cake
22:01 jcamins And find my shoes...
22:02 wizzyrea haha I just opened up my book of fortunes
22:02 wizzyrea (beacuse I was going to give jcamins one)
22:02 wizzyrea and the one I first saw was
22:02 eythian @fortune
22:02 huginn eythian: Error: I couldn't find the fortune command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.fortune.command configuration variable appropriately.
22:02 eythian oh well
22:02 wizzyrea "your attention to detail is both a blessing and potentially kind of creepy"
22:03 drojf lol
22:03 jcamins lol
22:03 jcamins So true.
22:03 wizzyrea :D
22:03 rangi excuse?
22:03 wahanui rangi: short leg on process table
22:06 wizzyrea the fortune book is a good one - I should tear them all out and put them in a fishbowl
22:06 wizzyrea or transcribe them all and have gmcharlt load them into the supybot
22:06 wizzyrea or both!
22:07 * gmcharlt perks up
22:07 wizzyrea our bot doesn't have fortune :)
22:07 wizzyrea but it's kind of not a necessity :P
22:08 eythian it's presumably just a call to the unix 'fortune' command anyway
22:09 gmcharlt @fortune
22:09 huginn gmcharlt: Error: I couldn't find the fortune command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.fortune.command configuration variable appropriately.
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22:11 gmcharlt @fortune
22:11 huginn gmcharlt: Q:What do they call the alphabet in Arkansas? A:The impossible dream.
22:11 druthb @fortune
22:11 huginn druthb: Executive ability is prominent in your make-up.
22:11 druthb puh.
22:11 wizzyrea YESSS
22:11 eythian @fortune
22:11 wizzyrea thanks gmcharlt :)
22:11 huginn eythian: Stay the curse.
22:12 wizzyrea hehehe
22:12 wizzyrea @fortune
22:12 huginn wizzyrea: No violence, gentlemen -- no violence, I beg of you!  Consider the furniture! -- Sherlock Holmes
22:12 eythian $ fortune
22:12 eythian Sendmail may be safely run set-user-id to root.
22:12 eythian -- Eric Allman, "Sendmail Installation Guide"
22:12 eythian hmm, not so sure there
22:12 wizzyrea scurry
22:13 trea @fortune
22:13 huginn trea: Q:What do you say to a New Yorker with a job? A:Big Mac, fries and a Coke, please!
22:13 druthb heh
22:13 druthb @fortune
22:13 huginn druthb: Q:Why does Washington have the most lawyers per capita and New Jersey the most toxic waste dumps? A:God gave New Jersey first choice.
22:13 druthb lol
22:14 eythian @fortune -o
22:14 huginn eythian: Don't let your mind wander -- it's too little to be let out alone.
22:14 wizzyrea what's -o?
22:14 eythian try it on the command line
22:15 eythian I don't think the plugin understands it
22:15 * wizzyrea needs to load fortunes
22:16 eythian @fortune
22:16 huginn eythian: Living your life is a task so difficult, it has never been attempted before.
22:17 wizzyrea :)
22:17 druthb @fortune
22:17 huginn druthb: You definitely intend to start living sometime soon.
22:17 wizzyrea that's a good one
22:17 wizzyrea @fortune
22:17 huginn wizzyrea: Q:How many Martians does it take to screw in a light bulb? A:One and a half.
22:17 wizzyrea hrmph.
22:17 wizzyrea that's a joke not a fortune.
22:17 druthb :P
22:17 wizzyrea @fortune
22:17 druthb @fortune
22:17 huginn wizzyrea: Q:Why do firemen wear red suspenders? A:To conform with departmental regulations concerning uniform dress.
22:17 huginn druthb: You will be a winner today.  Pick a fight with a four-year-old.
22:17 * wizzyrea hides her four year old
22:17 drojf @fortune
22:17 huginn drojf: You will be given a post of trust and responsibility.
22:17 wizzyrea ooo!
22:17 druthb I'd lose to your four-year-old, wizzy.
22:18 druthb He'd kick my butt.
22:18 gmcharlt wizzyrea: alternatively, you could find 99 more four-year-olds, then seen how druthb does ;)
22:18 wizzyrea he's getting pretty feisty
22:21 gmcharlt @config plugins.Unix.fortune.offensive
22:21 huginn gmcharlt: False
22:21 drojf i guess that explains -o
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22:36 * rangi giggles
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22:37 wizzyrea *snicker*
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22:56 drojf argh missed cait
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