Time Nick Message 22:56 drojf argh missed cait 22:48 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @arwenamin: "@ranginui Awesome. I set my frameworks up with #RDA yesterday. #kohails" 22:37 wizzyrea *snicker* 22:36 rangi https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/278629043845345280 22:36 * rangi giggles 22:21 drojf i guess that explains -o 22:21 huginn gmcharlt: False 22:21 gmcharlt @config plugins.Unix.fortune.offensive 22:18 wizzyrea he's getting pretty feisty 22:18 gmcharlt wizzyrea: alternatively, you could find 99 more four-year-olds, then seen how druthb does ;) 22:18 druthb He'd kick my butt. 22:17 druthb I'd lose to your four-year-old, wizzy. 22:17 wizzyrea ooo! 22:17 huginn drojf: You will be given a post of trust and responsibility. 22:17 drojf @fortune 22:17 * wizzyrea hides her four year old 22:17 huginn druthb: You will be a winner today. Pick a fight with a four-year-old. 22:17 huginn wizzyrea: Q: Why do firemen wear red suspenders? A: To conform with departmental regulations concerning uniform dress. 22:17 druthb @fortune 22:17 wizzyrea @fortune 22:17 druthb :P 22:17 wizzyrea that's a joke not a fortune. 22:17 wizzyrea hrmph. 22:17 huginn wizzyrea: Q: How many Martians does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: One and a half. 22:17 wizzyrea @fortune 22:17 wizzyrea that's a good one 22:17 huginn druthb: You definitely intend to start living sometime soon. 22:17 druthb @fortune 22:17 wizzyrea :) 22:16 huginn eythian: Living your life is a task so difficult, it has never been attempted before. 22:16 eythian @fortune 22:15 * wizzyrea needs to load fortunes 22:15 eythian I don't think the plugin understands it 22:14 eythian try it on the command line 22:14 wizzyrea what's -o? 22:14 huginn eythian: Don't let your mind wander -- it's too little to be let out alone. 22:14 eythian @fortune -o 22:13 druthb lol 22:13 huginn druthb: Q: Why does Washington have the most lawyers per capita and New Jersey the most toxic waste dumps? A: God gave New Jersey first choice. 22:13 druthb @fortune 22:13 druthb heh 22:13 huginn trea: Q: What do you say to a New Yorker with a job? A: Big Mac, fries and a Coke, please! 22:13 trea @fortune 22:12 wizzyrea scurry 22:12 eythian hmm, not so sure there 22:12 eythian -- Eric Allman, "Sendmail Installation Guide" 22:12 eythian Sendmail may be safely run set-user-id to root. 22:12 eythian $ fortune 22:12 huginn wizzyrea: No violence, gentlemen -- no violence, I beg of you! Consider the furniture! -- Sherlock Holmes 22:12 wizzyrea @fortune 22:12 wizzyrea hehehe 22:11 huginn eythian: Stay the curse. 22:11 wizzyrea thanks gmcharlt :) 22:11 eythian @fortune 22:11 wizzyrea YESSS 22:11 druthb puh. 22:11 huginn druthb: Executive ability is prominent in your make-up. 22:11 druthb @fortune 22:11 huginn gmcharlt: Q: What do they call the alphabet in Arkansas? A: The impossible dream. 22:11 gmcharlt @fortune 22:09 huginn gmcharlt: Error: I couldn't find the fortune command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.fortune.command configuration variable appropriately. 22:09 gmcharlt @fortune 22:08 eythian it's presumably just a call to the unix 'fortune' command anyway 22:07 wizzyrea but it's kind of not a necessity :P 22:07 wizzyrea our bot doesn't have fortune :) 22:07 * gmcharlt perks up 22:06 wizzyrea or both! 22:06 wizzyrea or transcribe them all and have gmcharlt load them into the supybot 22:06 wizzyrea the fortune book is a good one - I should tear them all out and put them in a fishbowl 22:03 wahanui rangi: short leg on process table 22:03 rangi excuse? 22:03 wizzyrea :D 22:03 jcamins So true. 22:03 jcamins lol 22:03 drojf lol 22:02 wizzyrea "your attention to detail is both a blessing and potentially kind of creepy" 22:02 eythian oh well 22:02 huginn eythian: Error: I couldn't find the fortune command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.fortune.command configuration variable appropriately. 22:02 eythian @fortune 22:02 wizzyrea and the one I first saw was 22:02 wizzyrea (beacuse I was going to give jcamins one) 22:02 wizzyrea haha I just opened up my book of fortunes 22:01 jcamins And find my shoes... 22:01 * cait sends jcamins cherry cake 22:01 rangi nice! 22:01 jcamins I have to revise the second-to-last patch and squash it into the previous patch, and give the combined patch a useful commit message. 22:01 * wizzyrea is so proud of jcamins :) 22:01 cait jcamins: looks like the project is progressing nicely :) 22:01 wizzyrea seems almost certain - the guy really had no idea about what he was actually doing! 22:01 jcamins http://git.cpbibliography.com/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/search_rewrite_submit 22:00 drojf i believe they did :) 22:00 drojf ah yeah i forgot about that option 22:00 rangi maybe they answered off list? 22:00 rangi not as yet drojf 21:59 eythian yeah, getting perl modules in to debian is reasonably straightforward. 21:59 drojf rangi: making the librarians take over support on the mailing list did not really work, did it? 21:59 jcamins But I have to leave now. 21:59 jcamins Like, I'm just a couple of commit messages and a small revision away. 21:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries 21:58 jcamins Argh! So close to having patches to submit for bug 9239! 21:54 jcamins Because, you know, I have so much free time... 21:54 jcamins Their page says it requires some adoption. 21:53 rangi that would be handy! 21:53 jcamins Ooh, I could help get libchi-perl into Debian. 21:51 drojf right around the corner 21:51 drojf #debian-perl 21:51 * eythian is on the phone 21:50 rangi http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup#How_to_get_involved 21:50 rangi http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup 21:50 rangi you don't need to be a DD 21:50 rangi the debian perl team are cool 21:49 rangi you can 21:49 drojf i think getting your stuff in debian is a slow and complicated process. probably eythian knows more about it 21:49 jcamins I'm not a Debian developer. 21:49 jcamins drojf: can I do that? 21:49 jcamins (which it is) 21:49 drojf i would want you to provide debian with a copy :P 21:49 jcamins (assuming this CPAN module was a dependency shared by Koha and Evergreen) 21:48 jcamins eythian: if I am the maintainer of a CPAN module that I am distributing as a .deb (in addition to as source), would the correct way to handle it be to have a separate apt repo, or would you want me to provide you with a copy of the .debs? 21:47 jcamins Oh, I have a question for eythian. 21:45 drojf who needs wages when you have the joy of library work? 21:44 drojf imagine all those subversive books that libraries don't buy now 21:44 jcamins [off] More money for organizations like ALA that just encourage wage depression, less for people who get wages? 21:44 drojf it is 21:44 drojf yes 21:44 jcamins drojf: isn't that the point? 21:44 drojf but anyway, $$$ 21:44 drojf also, money will be lost somewhere where it could have been used for better stuff 21:43 drojf money will be made 21:43 cait maybe I am missing the point 21:43 cait and then nothing will be won 21:43 cait I mean, ok, the big ones will, but all the small ones will not care and stick with the old standard 21:42 cait really, who does think this is a good idea for a standard libraries are supposed to use? 21:42 rangi drojf: i can sell you one 21:42 wizzyrea there's a field for that. 21:42 wizzyrea ah comedy 21:42 drojf if i only had some crazily expensive toolkit to tell me how to use it 21:42 cait lol 21:42 rangi 339 - DOES THIS SUCK $a YES 21:42 drojf heh 21:42 rangi there's a field for not being into RDA too 21:41 drojf i'm not 21:39 cait but germany is into rda too :( 21:39 cait wizzyrea: I agree :( 21:39 cait lol 21:39 drojf that explains everything 21:39 drojf Radioactive dentin abrasion (RDA) is a method of measuring of the erosive effect of abrasives in toothpaste on tooth dentin. 21:38 wizzyrea "don't pay for this ridiculous toolkit... buy us boooooooks" 21:38 rangi theres a field for that 21:38 wizzyrea just sayin. 21:38 wizzyrea tiny library children are weeping 21:37 wizzyrea seriously that makes kids cry. 21:37 rangi it's all RDA all the time 21:37 cait doom. 21:37 cait and another... 21:36 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails RDA Support in Koha http://t.co/HofrBVY8" 21:33 drojf lol. a standard you gotta love 21:33 rangi "why do you charge that much?" "because we can" 21:33 drojf We are certain you will find that it is the most effective way to interact with the new standard. 21:32 rangi a way to suck money from the public sector 21:32 rangi it's a rort 21:32 cait I have seen it - no gold 21:31 drojf goodness, what's with the license fees for the toolkit? is it made of gold? 21:30 rangi apparently people thought it was all hard and complicated and stuff :) 21:28 cait that was fast 21:28 trea hehe 21:28 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @ranginui: "RDA Support in Koha http://t.co/Byo8fa3U #kohails" 21:28 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @maryakem: "No fuss. No muss. #getthispartystarted RT @ranginui RDA Support in Koha http://t.co/szr0hGFJ … #kohails" 21:27 cait wizzyrea: I will worry about that tomorrow :) 21:27 eythian it'll be the last repeating date until 2101 21:27 wizzyrea if we're going to be arbitrary about it. 21:27 wizzyrea i mean 12 12 12 is much scarier than 211212 21:27 wizzyrea yea, idk why people aren't excited about TODAY and not the 21st 21:26 jcamins lol 21:26 wizzyrea OMG 21:26 cait so it is 21:26 rangi IVE DOOMED US ALL!!!! 21:25 rangi so i posted about RDA on 12/12/12 21:25 wizzyrea :) 21:24 drojf lol 21:23 jcamins It's one of those things that I thought about and decided I didn't really care, and I'd let someone else fix. :P 21:23 jcamins It's submitting a higher level form. 21:22 wizzyrea I will if I can figure it out. 21:22 jcamins Chrome propagates events. 21:22 jcamins Oh, no, I know why it does that. 21:22 wizzyrea hmm that would take some thinking 21:22 jcamins Which still doesn't work under Chrome. 21:22 jcamins Yes. 21:22 huginn 04Bug 8557: normal, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , in orderreceive.tt and serials-edit.tt the use of a barcode scan send the form unexpectedly 21:22 wizzyrea you were thinking of http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8557 21:21 jcamins Darn... wanna fix it for Chrome too, please? :P 21:21 wizzyrea really, i swear, it's a different place 21:21 wizzyrea no 21:20 jcamins wizzyrea: are you on Chrome? 21:20 drojf i had angry birds hd on my tablet. at one point i lost the saved game and finally could stop to play it 21:20 wizzyrea I checked those bugs 21:20 wizzyrea (because I just fixed it in master ;) 21:20 wizzyrea jcamins: it was not fixed on that page 21:19 drojf lol 21:19 * cait has played angry birds star wars 21:19 cait with the force... 21:19 drojf ? 21:18 drojf cait: are you trying to pull my wifi cableß 21:17 drojf [off] computer-related person from university obviously gave out her whole address book to skillpages. and i am the winner of invites to two different of my email addresses. yay, professionals. not. m( 21:17 * cait takes it away from drojf 21:17 cait poor network 21:13 * drojf slaps his network 21:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #974: FIXED in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/974/ 21:01 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed! 20:36 tcohen bye #koha 20:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality 20:25 tcohen cait, about bug 8840, the problem is the ubuntu.12.04.packages is not properly maintained (i guess) 20:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9267 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Ubuntu 12.04 install docs broken 20:21 tcohen bug 9267, after IRC helpdesk work for that H guy :-P 20:19 mustard cool beans 20:17 cait cool! 20:17 rangi from alaska this time 20:17 rangi yay, another library card 20:06 rangi ah ha thanks 20:06 jcamins And non-repeatable. 20:05 jcamins Repeatable. 20:05 rangi NR not required? 20:05 rangi jcamins: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd336.html the R there means required? 20:04 jcamins Then... I don't know. 20:04 jcamins Oh. 20:03 oleonard I don't think so, because it's another column that is wrapped in [% UNLESS ( item_level_itypes ) %] 20:02 jcamins *think 20:02 jcamins oleonard: when you have bib-level item types, I thin. 20:02 oleonard What kind of authorized value might display an image in OPAC search results? 20:02 oleonard Under what circumstances does the OPAC show "SEARCH_RESULT.AuthorisedValueImages" 20:01 jcamins :P 20:01 jcamins paul_p: there's a difference? 20:00 paul_p jcamins is switching from RM to BD -Benevolent Dictator- ;-) 20:00 tcohen bye paul_p 20:00 tcohen heh 20:00 paul_p OK, have a good day kiwis & aussies, have a good afternoon americans, have a good night europeans ! 20:00 jcamins tcohen: well, yes, but there are some political issues that can best be solved by the RM (me) saying "this is the rule. Follow it, or I won't push your patches." 19:59 tcohen i see politics everywhere 19:59 jcamins Yes we will. 19:59 paul_p ok, let's do it like this, we will see how things goes. 19:59 jcamins I don't believe in technical solutions for political problems or vice versa. 19:58 tcohen the second time a dev tells us we forgot... we wont again 19:58 jcamins tcohen: at least you will after I start rejecting things 'cause it's not filled in. ;) 19:58 tcohen we will all fill that field 19:58 paul_p jcamins right, it requires javascript 19:58 paul_p jcamins ah, ok, it's a problem for patches submitted before I set this information. In this case, maybe the best option is to bulkmodify all those bugs with patches with a default complexity value ? 19:57 jcamins Also, apparently it requires javascript in order to show up at all. 19:57 jcamins Right. 19:57 rangi or even add themselves as cc 19:57 jcamins "Oh, sorry, you can't save your comment unless you set patch complexity!" 19:57 jcamins They want to ask a question about a patch someone submitted? 19:57 wahanui jcamins is very, very irascible. 19:57 paul_p jcamins ??? 19:57 jcamins Yes they do. 19:56 paul_p jcamins but non developpers don't submit patches, so they don't have to fill this field ! 19:56 jcamins rangi: thanks. 19:56 rangi jcamins: the build got further this time, i think just permission errors int he jenkins dir, fixed now 19:56 jcamins It is, but I would prefer to spend more time saying "please provide this information" and less time manually attaching patches. 19:56 jcamins But I can't use git-bz to handle my workflow with the field set to mandatory, and we have non-developers worrying that they're doing things wrong. 19:56 paul_p with this field being non mandatory, i'm pretty sure it will be ignored & not set... & I think it's a damn usefull information ! 19:55 jcamins It's easy for me to tell people "you must set patch complexity or we will assume it's a very complex patch and save it for when we have lots of time free." 19:55 jcamins paul_p: because with patch complexity mandatory, asking questions and submitting patches becomes a burden. 19:54 * paul_p QAed 13 patches today, that will be enough for today ! (I'm tired, need some sleep, 10PM in greece) 19:54 cait because various people have reported problems with it 19:53 paul_p ok, so jcamins why did you asked that ? ;-) 19:53 rangi because jcamins asked me to 19:53 paul_p rangi (& jcamins maybe) = "ok patch complexity is now optional and always visible" => why did you change that ? 19:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #974 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #971 3 days 4 hr ago) 19:52 tcohen samsung's BIOS upgrade: acpi battery status working at last on ubuntu! 19:51 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @aliciaselles: "Camino a Bilbao, mañana toca formación #kohails #MASmediosporelmundo (@ Terminal 4 w/ 10 others) http://t.co/j9zk3Pej" 19:50 jcamins Thanks. 19:50 rangi ill look 19:49 jcamins I was able to build and install on my server. 19:49 jcamins rangi: it's failing prior to starting the build, and I can't see why. 19:48 rangi jcamins: what was the jenkins thing? 19:48 rangi jcamins: ok patch complexity is now optional and always visible 19:47 cait wb 19:45 rangi back 19:22 oleonard jcamins: Not without the right doctype 19:21 jcamins oleonard: it was being extensible? :P 19:21 oleonard " A table row was 4 columns wide, which is less than the column count established by the first row (5)" Why didn't the XHTML validator give errors like that? 19:19 oleonard Lots of fun new errors from the validator after switching the doctype 19:02 rangi Ok my stop bb after coffee 19:02 jcamins That is correct. 19:02 jcamins Yes. 19:02 jcamins Unit tests are welcomed for changes to existing routines, but not required... yet. ;) 19:02 paul_p I see a patch that adds a sub in C4/Circulation.pm and has no unit test => failed QA, right ? 19:02 jcamins paul_p: unit tests are required for all new routines in C4:: and Koha::. 19:01 paul_p jcamins = could you remind me what's your rule about unit tests for 3.12 ? 19:01 jcamins paul_p: yes I am. 19:01 huginn paul_p: The current temperature in Kalamaki - AirMar, Alimos, Greece is 13.2°C (8:55 PM EET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising). 19:01 paul_p @wunder athens, greece 19:00 paul_p jcamins are you about ? 18:59 huginn druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 6.5°C (12:58 PM CST on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019 hPa (Falling). 18:59 druthb @wunder 66046 18:57 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 12, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 18:57 rangi @wunder nzwn 18:55 rangi Yep 18:55 jcamins Yesss, I think so. 18:54 jcamins Does $variable =~ s/something//; return true if it makes the replacement? 18:50 rangi He is always asking for news 18:49 rangi You should definitely email Daniel (the newsletter editor) about that 18:49 jcamins manderson++ 18:49 Manderson1 still have more work to do on it, but it's a start 18:49 rangi Yay :) 18:49 Manderson1 http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Redhat_Enterprise_6 18:45 rangi I'm annoying like that 18:45 rangi I'll do it today and post it on the wiki 18:45 rangi Hehe yeah 18:44 jcamins (valid HTML? Why would we want to support that?) 18:44 jcamins They've misinterpreted "why would we want to waste our time on a standard that no one can afford to use?" as meaning the same thing it does when an average proprietary vendor says that. 18:43 rangi So I want to be all look its done, your move 18:43 rangi I've heard natlib say it would be hard for koha to do it 18:43 jcamins (he says through tears) 18:42 jcamins Yeah, it's very readily doable. 18:42 rangi It's mostly to prove a point 18:42 rangi I figure I could do one pretty fast 18:42 jcamins lol 18:42 * druthb wants to see if he'll cry. 18:41 druthb I asked jcamins. 18:41 wahanui druthb: what? 18:41 druthb I didn't ask you, wahanui. 18:41 jcamins That's the one. 18:41 wahanui somebody said RDA was a room in a twisty maze of standards 18:41 druthb jcamins: RDA? 18:41 jcamins I mostly just cry when asked about RDA. :P 18:41 * jcamins doesn't, sorry. 18:41 rangi Oh hey does anybody have a framework with the rda fields in it? 18:39 rangi Hehe 18:37 jcamins Not to mention, how? 18:37 jcamins Why would I do something like that? 18:36 jcamins Did I really survive with authority search results this dreadful for three years? 18:36 jcamins It takes very little time to get used to decent relevance ranking. 18:35 jcamins Wow. 18:35 rangi Heh 18:33 jcamins I hope you appreciated our efforts to give you enough reading material for the entire bus ride. :) 18:33 jcamins Thanks. 18:33 rangi I'll look at bugzilla when I get to my desk 18:31 wahanui Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 18:31 rangi Morning 18:28 tcohen internet got too slow, leaving home then 18:20 cait cool:) 18:20 tcohen i'll check what is wrong 18:20 cait ok 18:20 tcohen cait, i've read your report 18:16 tcohen i started the fix for the docs when speaking to that H guy about his broken dependecies after dpkg 18:15 cait sorry typing while eating dinner - slow :) 18:15 cait i copied the output... 18:15 tcohen i should have read your report :-D 18:15 cait nope 18:15 tcohen didn't it say it was the wrong verison? 18:14 cait hm it listed the one i removed for testing 18:14 tcohen a sane way to install dependencies instead of plain dpkg --set-selections 18:14 tcohen second, we intended to make use of an unused script for providing the users 18:13 tcohen first, ubuntu.*packages files might be outdated 18:13 tcohen there are two problems 18:12 cait was wondering what went wrong there 18:12 tcohen that issues a oneliner for installing without the dpkg --set-selections mess 18:12 cait ah cool :) 18:12 tcohen INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04 18:12 tcohen i'm about to post a patch for the docs 18:12 cait the one I was looking at yesterday 18:12 tcohen oh, hte one that failed qa 18:12 cait heh :) 18:12 tcohen :-D 18:11 wahanui well, which one is 3.6.x? 18:11 tcohen which one? 18:11 cait working on the bug? 18:11 cait hi tcohen 18:09 tcohen provided we tell the user how to install them separately on the docs? 18:09 tcohen question, should apache2 and mysql-server be listed in install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages? 17:59 oleonard Too bad it complains about <link rel=â€unapi-serverâ€> 17:58 magnuse yay for html5 17:45 * drojf heads home 17:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client 17:34 oleonard Bug 9265 17:30 cait :) 17:28 drojf hi cait 17:27 drojf alright. i had a look at this sometime in the past but never really worked with it 17:26 jcamins Mischief! 17:26 cait what are you 2 up to? :) 17:25 * cait waves 17:24 jcamins biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl is automatically regenerated from biblio-koha-indexdefs. 17:24 jcamins biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml and biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl. 17:24 drojf that looks way to easy 17:23 drojf do i just have to change biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl? 17:22 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period) everyone. 17:19 jcamins lol 17:18 drojf interesting choice of filenames. let's call the iso2709-file something with marc.xml and the marcxml-file something else :P 17:18 drojf iso2709.recordtype: dom-config-marc.xml 17:18 drojf marcxml.recordtype: dom-config.xml 17:12 jcamins It's actually really easy. 17:12 jcamins True. 17:11 drojf and it would not hurt to know how it works with dom anyway. i figured it out with grs-1, it cannot be worse 17:10 drojf because we had customized it a little in an older version and want to have that once we go live, but we have a new machine and 3.8 with DOM installed 17:09 jcamins What are you trying to do? 17:09 jcamins drojf: it's never a good time for that. 17:08 drojf is 6pm a good time for looking at grs-1 to dom index conversion? i don't feel much like it. 17:06 jcamins lol 17:06 drojf i would like to have something like that replace "last christmas" 17:06 druthb I'm thinking of the Python "Election Night Special" sketch, and candidate "Tarquin Fintimlimbimlimbimwhimbimlin Bus Stop Ftang Ftang Olay Biscuit Barrel". 17:01 jcamins There's a Shabbat song with the lyrics "bim bam" repeated over and over... I am imagining someone singing "fim bip, fim bam bip..." 17:00 druthb lulz 16:58 jcamins You're welcome. 16:58 pastebot "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "I am easily amused..." (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/310 16:57 jcamins Exactly. 16:57 mtompset He's a coding, cataloging expert, not a masochistic rewrite every search engine writer. ;) 16:56 drojf \o/ 16:53 jcamins It's one problem, and one which won't exist after the search rewrite. 16:53 jcamins No thanks. 16:52 drojf do a zebra rewrite then, too :P 16:49 jcamins That's one of the few Zebra-related problems that isn't our fault. 16:49 drojf if only somebody would come and do a search rewrite 16:49 drojf heh 16:48 jcamins Buggy CCL2RPN FTW! 16:48 drojf ah-oh 16:48 jcamins Except curly brackets don't work when ICU is disabled. 16:48 jcamins That's what we did for a while. 16:48 drojf assuming it does that because $something does not work otherwise, wouldn't it have been less confusing to use curly brackets in general instead of syspref-ing this? 16:47 * jcamins doesn't either. :P 16:46 drojf heh. i'm slightly underwhelmed. don't know what i expected though 16:46 jcamins drojf: yes. 16:45 drojf is the only thing that UseICU == 1 does change quotes in XSLT to curly brackets? 16:38 drojf Manderson1++ 16:36 Manderson1 Ok...I'll do that. 16:36 jcamins You can just add it to the wiki. 16:35 Manderson1 or shall I just add it to the wiki? 16:34 Manderson1 got a place you'd like me to paste it? 16:34 Manderson1 k, hang on 16:33 oleonard that sounds quite relevant 16:33 Manderson1 oleonard: I installed 3.8 (I think) last month 16:33 Manderson1 oleonard: I know - their version seems dated. 16:33 oleonard Manderson1: Is it for a current version? 16:33 drojf Manderson1: i believe it is, give us all you got 16:32 oleonard Manderson1: You can usually tell by how old it is 16:32 Manderson1 Do you want it for the wiki? 16:32 Manderson1 I have some information on how to install Koha on Red-hat...is it still relevant? 16:32 drojf Manderson1: outside of it 16:32 jcamins Manderson1: they are not popular. 16:32 Manderson1 Thanks for the info on Community vs Liblime. I am just curious of how they stand as a company in the eyes of the open source community. 16:30 drojf it's even pronounced vaguely german. cool 16:30 drojf great example at urbandictionary.com ;) 16:29 jcamins drojf: interesting example you found there. 16:29 * jcamins does a doubletake. 16:28 mtompset http://imgfave.com/view/1698611 ("English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over the head, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar." 16:27 drojf verboten (Adj) Excluded from use or mention. Derived from the German word meaning forbidden. "I had no problem getting to second base with her, but the chastity belt told me going any further would be strictly verboten." 16:26 chris_n hehe 16:26 jcamins lol 16:26 mtompset drojf: English takes other languages down a dark back alley and assaults them for language. 16:26 drojf one of the most german words :D 16:25 drojf cool 16:25 jcamins drojf: yes. 16:25 drojf "PERL10: Verboten subroutine parameters" <-- 'verboten' made it into the english language? 16:25 jcamins I'm not seeing how producing ugly code will help other people read documentation. 16:24 mtompset Yes, but if someone adds code elsewhere, they may not pass a parameter that they could, because they were looking at the smaller call version. 16:23 jcamins mtompset: but you have no idea what they are without looking at the POD. 16:22 mtompset but then you know how many parameters are there. 16:17 jcamins myroutine($variable, undef, undef) is ugly. 16:16 mtompset Out of curiousity, why PERL8? Is that for perl critic reasons? 16:12 mtompset Okay, I'm back. 16:10 mtompset_AFK OH! Now I get it too. Yes, I think libsysguy meant me. You know the stats I was asking about are useful to guessing how big a Koha server should be. :P 16:03 kf georgia++ 16:01 rambutan I think I should close my eyes. 16:01 libsysguy haha @PERL17 16:00 libsysguy soab, thats what I get for reading too many chat windows lol 16:00 * jcamins adds PERL17. 16:00 tcohen oh, i get it, it was mtompset thou 15:59 libsysguy it was a bad joke 15:59 libsysguy ohh you were asking about the size of my collection 15:59 tcohen "<libsysguy> geez tcohen its only the first date" 15:59 libsysguy tcohen what do you mean? 15:57 libsysguy I had my OO hat on 15:57 libsysguy :p 15:57 libsysguy jcamins yes thats exactly what I meant 15:51 tcohen libsysguy, do u think i went too fast with druthb? 15:51 paul_p leaving Elidoc offices, back online in less than one hour ! 15:50 jcamins libsysguy: you mean make it clear that for OO code (which the example isn't) $self and $args are different? 15:49 libsysguy you should separate $self from $args 15:48 libsysguy I only have one addition to perl16 15:46 mtompset_AFK There in is our difference. :P -- And I'm not a preacher type. Just a cog in a larger translation ministry. :) 15:45 drojf mtompset_AFK: i only spread the word of koha, not a god :P 15:45 oleonard I work for a charitable organization wherein I am the beneficiary, but no one seems to agree that this counts 15:45 jcamins Could someone take a look at rules PERL14-PERL16, and let me know if they make sense? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL14:_Exports 15:44 mtompset_AFK Yes, but do you work for a charitable organization? :P 15:44 oleonard Nice work if you can get it 15:44 drojf i could use 32 people at $25/month too 15:43 mtompset Well, errands to run. :) 15:41 mtompset Turns out our financial shortfall isn't as big as I was worried it would be, so just need to find 32 people at $25/month, and I'm back in the Koha game. :) 15:40 tcohen hahah 15:40 mtompset I missed you too, tcohen. ;) 15:40 tcohen mtompset is back! 15:37 drojf as are the conceptions of "free" and "open" 15:35 kf Manderson1: and the Koha we develop and their software are very different 15:35 khall cool 15:34 jcamins Right now I'm revising coding guidelines so there won't be confusion. 15:34 oleonard Manderson1: We do our best to ignore Liblime because they don't want to participate in our project. Why do you ask? 15:34 kf Manderson1: I think you will have to explain why you are asking maybe. I thas been resolved as in 'separated' 15:34 jcamins khall: thanks. I'll take a look shortly. 15:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac 15:34 khall jcamins, new qa followup submitted for bug 7067 15:33 drojf mtompset: i think using one db for several koha instances does exist when people want to have different OPACs layouts but share the data 15:33 oleonard Ha! 15:33 Manderson1 There was some friction between liblime and the koha community. Has that been resolved? 15:30 julian_m oleonard, ok, let me know if you find something interesting ;) 15:29 kf slef: I think I am going to leave this to wiser people (who know more about system administrationm) 15:29 mtompset Oh, okay. Now I get what you mean. 15:29 slef kf: there is another way to implement it, the equivalent of generalising rbuild_zebra = a job that runs every 5 minutes, looks to see what tasks it should do. That has its own benefits and drawbacks, so it's hard to say what's best. 15:29 oleonard julian_m: I'm just beginning to learn about it 15:29 druthb paul_p: It's working for me, now. Don't know what was triggering that hung query. 15:29 slef mtompset: no, they'd need to install multiple koha's and run as the same system user (rather than koha-lib1, koha-lib2... like the packages do). 15:28 mtompset Ewww... slef, are you saying people install multiple koha's, but use the same DB? 15:28 oleonard julian_m: The idea is to load one js file (require.js) and then pass a configuration file to require.js telling it what other dependencies you need. 15:28 julian_m oleonard, so the browser load only js files it needs ? 15:27 oleonard julian_m: I'm just learning about it, but I hear great things about it 15:27 slef kf: so no problem. 15:27 slef kf: if you use the packages, koha virtualhosts have their own users. 15:27 oleonard julian_m: It's a way to asynchronously load javascript dependencies 15:27 slef kf: for the security vulnerabilities to occur, you would need to run all virtualhosts as the same user (bad) and install multiple koha virtualhosts without realising they could interact (bad) 15:27 julian_m oleonard, never heard about it... what is it ? 15:26 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Behind the scenes in Technical Services: Koha serials tweaks we like http://t.co/7UClh4kR" 15:26 kf slef: I think maybe we should ask semarie to take a look for security 15:26 druthb could be. Hard to believe the darn thing is *that* fragile, though, that user error like that could trash the whole works. 15:26 oleonard julian_m: Have you ever worked with require.js? (http://requirejs.org/) 15:26 slef no, the packages avoid it completely 15:26 kf because it's super easy 15:26 paul_p druthb = at least that made poedit-windows core dump... 15:26 kf more and more every day 15:26 kf witht he packages? 15:25 slef kf: how many install multiple Kohas? 15:25 kf so if a feature is on by default that can cause a flaw - I am not feeling comfortable with that 15:25 paul_p druthb = suggestion: there are some invalid translation (ie 4 %s in english, only 3 %s in greek). Maybe pootle is confused by this ? 15:25 slef kf: true, I only tried to resolve the security concerns. 15:25 mtompset user-isolating? 15:25 kf slef: not all libraries installing koha have a sysadmin 15:25 julian_m oleonard, yes ? 15:25 slef kf: the security concerns only existed if you installed multiple Koha sites without user-isolating them = your sysadmin cut corners. 15:24 druthb paul_p: Something is apparently amiss--trying to figure out what. But when you do that, mysql just *hangs* on a query there, and sends the system into swapping spasms. 15:24 kf slef: secuirty reasons set aside 15:24 oleonard julian_m around? 15:24 kf slef: I think the problem Vitor notedhas not been addressed? looking from the outside this looks like a failed qa for me for this 15:23 drojf o/\o 15:23 * mtompset high fives drojf. 15:22 drojf the poor wall :P 15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality 15:22 mtompset bug 8840 15:22 drojf druthb: don't do that 15:22 kf mtompset: ? 15:22 * druthb beats her head against the wall, repeatedly. 15:22 mtompset I figured I should come here to see if kf was having a late night. :) 15:21 mtompset So, this is only the second time I've been on IRC since in Canada. 15:21 paul_p druthb strange, I can reach the http://translate.koha-community.org/el/310/, but not the http://translate.koha-community.org/el/310/el-GR-i-opac-t-prog-v-3006000.po/translate/ 15:21 mtompset So, it's been jet lag and a bit of running around for Christmas and red-tape. 15:21 kf slef: so are the security concerns no longer existing? 15:21 oleonard I hope the transition went well mtompset 15:21 mtompset Well, in November my family and I relocated back to Canada. 15:20 drojf ? 15:20 drojf mtompset: true. not much koha time for youß 15:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, sophie.meynieux, Signed Off , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write 15:20 slef Changes submitted for bug 1993 15:20 mtompset Greeting, drojf. Long time no chat. :) 15:20 drojf hi mtompset 15:19 druthb :P 15:19 slef (= I'm OK with it) 15:19 mtompset Ah... Pootle... right, Queen of Translations. :) 15:18 libsysguy :p 15:18 libsysguy geez tcohen its only the first date 15:18 slef ok, after considering the security concerns, with a signed-off patch, should I set status to Signed Off or Pushed for QA? 15:18 druthb The server it's on now has 2 GB. tcohen's box has 4 GB. It takes a pretty grunty server to run. mtompset: we're talking about the Pootle server, not a Koha box. 15:18 mtompset I'd prefer to know how big are your circulation numbers and catalog. :) 15:17 libsysguy how much mem do you need? 15:17 druthb Hi, mtompset. :) 15:17 mtompset Greetings, druthb. 15:17 druthb Fortunately, the system tcohen built for us has more memory, paul_p. It should be back up now. 15:16 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 15:14 druthb yeah, it's memory-bound. gonna have to reboot things. give me a minute or two here. 15:13 druthb checking 15:13 paul_p druthb = sorry to bug you, but it's down again...or at least very very very slow... 15:11 jcamins Sorry, just kidding. One more thing: in the test you should create the patron records that you're modifying. I don't have a patron named "Kyle Hall." 15:10 jcamins And, finally, you're still passing hashes rather than hashrefs for new(), DelModifications(), and GetModifications(). 15:09 jcamins I also had a comment on the new() routine: the three lines starting with "my $self =" are unnecessary. By blessing $args directly, you eliminate the need to copy member variables. 15:08 khall no problem! 15:08 jcamins Thanks. 15:07 khall cool. I'll get hose fixed up 15:07 jcamins Yeah, that's unnecessary. 15:06 khall gotcha. I was trying to make those subs work both statically and dymanically 15:06 jcamins As the original author, it is your right to dictate the One True Way for retrieving Borrower Modifications in Koha. 15:06 jcamins It's the latter that troubles me more. 15:05 jcamins [off] http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/cover_db/Koha-Borrower-Modifications-pm.html 15:05 jcamins It's stylistically problematic, but it also makes unit tests difficult. 15:04 khall ok, I'm still not understanding why it's a problem. What are the ill effects? Or is it just bad style? 15:03 jcamins The other is OO, where you call the routine $mymodifications->GetModifications() 15:03 jcamins One is procedural, where you call the routines with Koha::Borrower::Modifications->GetModifications(borrowernumber => $number) 15:02 jcamins khall: the problem is that it makes for two entirely separate code pathways. 15:01 paul_p kroditi hello again !!! 15:01 khall I can fix those. Just for my own education, what is the problem with that idiom? 15:01 * kf is confused now 15:01 paul_p kroditi hello !!! 15:00 jcamins Missed one. 15:00 kroditi druthb: hi ruth its paul teaching translation to kroditi 15:00 jcamins Sorry. 15:00 wahanui 320 15:00 jcamins Oh, and 320. 15:00 jcamins khall: line 206, 233, and 268 are where I spotted it. 14:59 jcamins drojf: well, as the current RM I declare we are going to follow the guidelines the community agreed upon. 14:59 drojf maybe you people should have a fight over it 14:59 drojf fwiw i got a "QA comment: This patch has one problem that must be solved before being pushed : the Koha:: namespace must contain OO code only, the Koha/HTML5Media.pm is not OO" once from paul_p 14:58 khall didn't I get that fixed? Or did I miss something. 14:58 jcamins The part of the OO code that troubles me is the if (ref($self)) idiom. 14:56 khall If we get dbix class in, this code could become part of the class file for that table 14:56 * jcamins thinks the former. 14:56 khall However, I don't think there is anything wrong with it being OO 14:55 khall jcamins, that's good to know. I've been shot down on patches in the past *only* because they were not OO. Either my shooter didn't know this, or the rules were changed. 14:55 vfernandes yes I understand the shell script and where the problem was 14:55 paul_p druthb yep, it works again. strange 14:55 druthb oh, I'm sure. It was locked up hard. I have restarted apache, and it's chugging along nicely now, for me, paul_p. Working for you? 14:55 jcamins khall: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Namespace_QA_Rules ("use Object Oriented (OO) style everywhere it makes sense") 14:54 paul_p druthb strange, because I can promise that 10mn ago, we waited for a page for more than 2 minuts, and never got any results :( 14:54 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 14:54 jcamins coding guidelines? 14:54 jcamins Let me find the guidlines. 14:53 jcamins Nope. Anything for which OO makes sense should be OO, but if you have procedural data, the code can be procedural. 14:53 slef vfernandes: can you understand shell script and what the bug was before (the [ command thought the ] was on the end of the argument and not the closing ] delimiter)? 14:53 vfernandes slef I can't test it, but the bug patch is very simple... 14:52 khall I was told anything in the Koha namespace had to be OO or it wouldn't be accepted 14:52 jcamins So I was looking at your unit test (84% statement coverage, BTW, very nice!), and I was wondering why you'd decided to make Koha::Borrower::Modifications OO. 14:51 jcamins Here we go. 14:50 khall ok 14:50 jcamins Let me switch to that branch. 14:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac 14:50 jcamins I'm looking at bug 7067, and I was hoping you could walk me through some of it. 14:49 druthb do not tempt me in that fashion, drojf. Gotta get it moved first. 14:49 khall indeed, what's up? 14:49 jcamins khall: around? 14:49 slef vfernandes: ah, dang, you'd need to have the packages installed already :-/ 14:48 drojf then i wouldn't mind, just burn the old machine :P 14:48 vfernandes slef: ./koha-run-backups: 58: ./koha-run-backups: koha-list: not found 14:48 druthb No, it hasn't. 14:48 druthb I'll restart things again. Very peculiar. 14:48 drojf did it move already? 14:47 paul_p druthb = seems translate.koha-community.org is down again :'( 14:46 drojf lol 14:46 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. 14:46 slef @later tell rangi (1 more message(s) - say "more" to view) 14:46 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 14:46 drojf @later tell rangi sjohnson says 'hi!' 14:45 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 14:45 jcamins @later tell rangi At this point we're just trying to see if we can leave more than 10k words with huginn for you. 14:45 huginn 04Bug 9262: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patch complexity field user interface is awkward to use 14:45 huginn slef: The operation succeeded. 14:45 slef @later tell rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9262 14:45 jcamins lol 14:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9262 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patch complexity field user interface is awkward to use 14:45 slef Bug 9262 has been added to the database 14:44 jcamins The people who don't develop dozens of patches don't actually need to set patch complexity, as far as I'm concerned. 14:44 slef vfernandes: review it. Only signoff if you agree with it ;-) 14:44 drojf that may be the point when the release manager's pointy stick comes in 14:44 jcamins drojf: the people who develop a lot will fill it in because their RM demands it. 14:44 jcamins drojf: right. 14:43 kf all ok with that 14:43 drojf if it is optional, noone is ever going to ask again ;) 14:43 jcamins kf: yes, that's why I asked that he make it optional. 14:43 kf not mandatory 14:43 kf jcamins: the problem was it hast to be optional then 14:43 jcamins drojf: but I have wasted far more time explaining to people how to set it than I would requesting that people set it. 14:42 jcamins drojf: people will learn to set it. 14:41 vfernandes slef you want me to sign off the bug? 14:41 drojf if it's optional it may be invisible too :P 14:41 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 14:41 jcamins @later tell rangi The patch complexity field on bugs.k-c.org. 14:40 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 14:40 jcamins @later tell rangi Could you please make the patch complexity field optional and always visible? 14:40 drojf slef: another fan of the complexity field i understand 14:39 slef vfernandes: I'll trade you that for the scheduler if you like 14:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9260 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , koha-run-backups complains "[: 97: missing ]" 14:39 slef Changes submitted for bug 9260 14:38 slef as in, 1 page up, 1 page right :-/ 14:38 slef bloody miles away from the other dropdown 14:38 slef aha, so it does 14:37 jcamins Right under "Sponsored." 14:37 slef where should complexity appear? 14:37 slef that doesn't look like it's worked 14:37 jcamins slef: probably, yes. 14:36 slef :-( 14:36 slef guess I have to permit bugs.k-c.o to run javascript 14:36 slef nope, can't see it 14:36 slef <drojf> it worked now after restart and ctrl+f5 14:35 kf it worked now after restart and ctrl+f5 < 14:34 jcamins vfernandes: yes, they're on the bug. 14:34 wahanui i think logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 14:34 slef logs? 14:34 huginn slef: I've exhausted my database of quotes 14:34 slef huginn: you suck too 14:34 huginn slef: [14:30:22] <slef> There is no 'Patch complexity' field!, and [14:29:26] <slef> A value must be set for the 'Patch complexity' field. 14:34 slef @more 14:34 huginn slef: [14:33:07] <slef> wahanui: last --regexp /complexity/ --nolimit, [14:33:04] <slef> wahanui: last --regex /complexity/ --nolimit, [14:32:57] <slef> wahanui: last --regex complexity --nolimit, [14:32:24] <kf> complexity was not showing up for him, it's in yesterday's logs somewhere, [14:30:42] <jcamins> slef: change the status to "Needs signoff" but don't save it, then the patch complexity field shows up., (1 more message) 14:34 slef huginn: last --regexp /complexity/ --nolimit 14:34 slef wrong bot 14:34 wahanui slef: excuse me? 14:34 slef wahanui: you suck 14:34 slef wahanui: last --regexp /complexity/ --nolimit 14:34 slef wahanui: last --regex /complexity/ --nolimit 14:34 slef oops 14:34 slef wahanui: last --regex complexity --nolimit 14:33 vfernandes security concerns? 14:33 kf complexity was not showing up for him, it's in yesterday's logs somewhere 14:33 slef Grrrrrrr 14:33 kf it's javascript - drojf had problems too 14:33 kf self: try refresh f5 or something 14:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #30: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/30/ 14:32 * slef looks at the page source code 14:32 jcamins I don't know of a better way to explain. 14:32 slef jcamins: done that. There is no field. 14:32 jcamins You'll see what I mean. 14:32 jcamins slef: in the dropdown. 14:32 slef jcamins: how do I change the status without saving it? 14:32 slef wahanui++ 14:32 jcamins vfernandes: in that case, you could review the security concerns and try to address them. 14:31 wahanui jcamins: that doesn't look right 14:31 jcamins slef: change the status to "Needs signoff" but don't save it, then the patch complexity field shows up. 14:31 slef There is no 'Patch complexity' field! 14:30 slef buh 14:30 slef A value must be set for the 'Patch complexity' field. 14:30 vfernandes which is exactly that bug 14:29 vfernandes ok jcamins... but I have a client problem that they want to use schedule task 14:29 jcamins Here's a list of bugs awaiting sign off: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=Needs%20Signoff&sharer_id=1 14:28 jcamins It's been signed off for months, and no one has addressed the security concerns. 14:28 jcamins I'd recommend against spending time on that patch. 14:27 vfernandes ok... 14:27 jcamins That's a git conflict. You'll get those with older patches. 14:26 jcamins I would recommend focusing on patches that are marked "Need signoff" 14:26 vfernandes when running "git bz apply 1993" 14:26 vfernandes Failed to merge in the changes. Patch failed at 0001 Bug 1993: Improving task scheduler When you have resolved this problem run "git am --resolved". If you would prefer to skip this patch, instead run "git am --skip". To restore the original branch and stop patching run "git am --abort". Patch left in /tmp/Signed-Off-Bug-1993-Improving-task-scheduler-5KDy9a.p 14:25 jcamins No one has addressed the security concerns. 14:25 wahanui nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though 14:25 jcamins Nothing. 14:23 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, sophie.meynieux, In Discussion , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write 14:23 vfernandes what's happening with bug 1993? 14:20 vfernandes ok thanks 14:19 kf vfernandes: what I do is create a new branch, confirm the bug, apply patch wit git bz apply, then test, git commit --amend -s and then git bz attach -e 14:18 slef if so, there's a "git qa" alias on the wiki which may help - uses git-bz which is also linked in the wiki 14:17 vfernandes yes... 14:17 slef vfernandes: test the suggested patch, you mean? 14:17 vfernandes which is the best way to test a bug using git? 14:16 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 14:16 slef coding guidelines? 14:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9260 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-run-backups complains "[: 97: missing ]" 14:16 slef Bug 9260 has been added to the database 14:13 slef nope, that's not it 14:12 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Error log generated when not a demo system 14:12 slef huginn: query koha-run-backups 14:12 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Error log generated when not a demo system 14:12 huginn slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8437 major, P2, ---, jcamins, In Discussion , Plack and database backup 14:12 slef huginn: query backups 14:12 huginn slef: No results for "missing ]." 14:12 slef huginn: query "missing ]" 14:12 huginn slef: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. 14:12 slef huginn: query missing ] 14:10 drojf you know how to make a drojf happy :D 14:09 drojf lol magnuse 14:06 jcamins Hehe. 14:06 kf magnuse: have to keep some of the christmas presents a secret at least 14:06 kf magnuse: you are spoiling him 14:05 magnuse maybe i could throw a google group into the mix too :-) 14:04 drojf aaaw :) 14:02 magnuse drojf: i can set up a cron job to send you daily (or hourly) mails? 13:58 drojf kf: but i have hope. christmas is coming, s/he will be out of office again :) 13:55 drojf kf: yes. i bet s/he has a different mailing list now :'( 13:54 jcamins khall: around? 13:54 kf drojf: now you feel neglected? 13:54 jcamins lol 13:53 drojf on a sidenote, i miss my daily email from sjohnson. 13:52 jcamins Agreed. 13:52 drojf unfair! 13:52 jcamins I just ran an installation off of master no problem. 13:52 jcamins drojf: apparently not! 13:52 drojf you're not the master of master 13:51 jcamins Okay, so it's something about master. 13:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #30 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:49 jenkins_koha jcamins: job Koha_3.10.x build scheduled now 13:49 jcamins !jenkins build Koha_3.10.x now 13:47 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 13:47 jcamins @later tell rangi I'm getting a permission denied error on jenkins. Any idea why? 13:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #973: STILL FAILING in 6.5 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/973/ 13:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #973 for job Koha_master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #971 2 days 22 hr ago) 13:46 jenkins_koha jcamins: job Koha_Master build scheduled now 13:46 jcamins !jenkins build Koha_Master now 13:46 jenkins_koha jcamins: syntax is: 'build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]*' 13:46 jcamins !jenkins build master now 13:46 jenkins_koha jcamins: syntax is: 'build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]*' 13:46 jcamins !jenkins build master 13:45 jcamins Huh? 13:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9019 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , ILS-DI: GetRecords should return item fields in marcxml 13:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9191 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , updatedatabase.pl must have ability to run updates only up to a particular revision 13:44 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 9019: Return item fields in ILS-DI GetRecords 13:44 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 9191 follow-up: remove example updatedatabase stanzas 13:44 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9056 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, NEW , Add more translations to table language_descriptions 13:44 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 9191: updatedatabase.pl should only run updates up to the current version 13:44 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 9056: Increment version number 13:44 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 9056 - Add more translations to table language_descriptions 13:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #972: FAILURE in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/972/ 13:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #972 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:44 jcamins Or tab. 13:44 jcamins Hm. No, that's not quite right. I thought it opened a separate window. 13:43 H test 13:43 jcamins H: double click tcohen's name in the nick list on the right. :) 13:43 tcohen i think we are spamming a lot 13:43 H no 13:43 tcohen do u know how to go private on your IRC client? 13:43 tcohen is it still pulling i386 stuff? 13:42 tcohen sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade ? 13:42 H done 13:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9019: Return item fields in ILS-DI GetRecords <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f7a1e26a6cb60e9bb2e8985e636503604961674> / Bug 9191 follow-up: remove example updatedatabase stanzas <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1525b297fc80cef5a041f05aa20da54a52534d8> / Bug 9191: updatedatabase.pl should only run updates up to the current version <http://git.koha-commun 13:42 tcohen sudo apt-get remove libxslt1-dev:i386 13:41 H dont think it happened 13:41 H see screenshot 13:39 tcohen H, did u get it to install properly? 13:32 jcamins magnuse: yay! 13:32 H gratz :) 13:32 magnuse w00t - got search to work on the 3.10 packages! 13:32 H http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term6.jpg 13:30 tcohen H: apt-get install libdbd-sqlite2-perl libgraphics-magick-perl libnet-z3950-zoom-perl libxml-libxslt-perl 13:30 H 2 that are required 13:28 H http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term5.jpg 13:26 nengard my tired brain ? not me 13:26 nengard thanks for bearing with me tired brain 13:26 nengard yup, that's what I'm gonna say 13:26 tcohen (sitting on the koha sources dir) 13:26 jcamins nengard: right, there's no way around that that I'm aware of. 13:26 tcohen ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m -u -c 13:25 H sorry i need some guidance here lol 13:24 tcohen jsut in case 13:24 tcohen and then install by hands the missing bits 13:24 tcohen i'd rather run the koha_perl_deps.pl script 13:24 nengard jcamins - okay i understand he says there is no separator punctuation that way - it's just s a space 13:23 H ill run the command from jcamins ? 13:23 H no error 13:21 tcohen put sudo before the dpkg thing 13:21 H sudo echo "libxslt1-dev:i386 deinstall" | dpkg --set-selections dpkg: error: operation requires read/write access to dpkg status area 13:20 tcohen not sure why is still pulling it 13:19 tcohen echo "libxslt1-dev:i386 deinstall" | dpkg --set-selections 13:19 H ah do i try or wait ? 13:19 jcamins sudo apt-get -y install `cat install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages | grep install | sed -e 's/install\$//' | tr -d ' \\t' | tr '\\n' ' '` 13:19 tcohen first issue this: 13:18 H i lost the jcamins command 13:16 H http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term4.jpg 13:16 nengard i'll test 13:16 nengard jcamins i have a report that it's not 13:14 tcohen if that's true, then you can use jcamins's command to install all the deps 13:13 tcohen (it shouldnt say it needs i386 dependencies) 13:13 tcohen run apt-get dselect-upgrade 13:13 H http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term3.jpg 13:12 jcamins ExtractValue always concats all the values it matches, doesn't it? 13:12 nengard if i concat the 650 and group by biblionumber will that work? 13:11 nengard wait - that doesn't even show subjects :) that's finds specific words - sorry I'm very tired 13:10 pastebot "tcohen" at 172.16.248.199 pasted "This secquence should revert t" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/309 13:10 nengard i want to grab all 650s in one column 13:10 nengard that shows each subject heading once 13:10 nengard jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Bibs_with_specific_keyword_in_subjects 13:10 jcamins There's nothing efficient about accessing MARCXML directly in MySQL, but it'll work. 13:09 H ok i dont do the `sudo apt-get remove ${PKG_NAME} ${PKG_NAME}:i386` but i do your code just a sec 13:09 nengard but i'll take a look again 13:09 nengard don't think mine was done efficiently 13:09 jcamins nengard: you wrote it. 13:09 jcamins nengard: there's an example of a report that does exactly that on the wiki. 13:08 nengard is there a way in mysql to get all subjects (all 650s) in one column? Some sort of CONCAT I'm sure ? just not sure how specifically 13:08 tcohen this will remove those i386 pull requests 13:08 tcohen apt-get dselect-upgrade 13:08 tcohen and test everything is back to normal 13:08 H is this afther i removed them ? 13:08 tcohen dpkg --set-selections < install_list 13:07 tcohen for i in $(dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f1) ; do echo -e "$i\tinstall" >> install_list ; done 13:07 tcohen dpkg --clear-selections 13:07 tcohen dpkg --get-selections '*' > selections 13:07 H ow ok so i go 1by 1 then :) 13:06 jcamins Oh good, now I return you to tcohen. 13:06 jcamins You have to replace ${PKG_NAME} with each package you want to remove. 13:06 tcohen got it 13:06 jcamins It didn't do anything. 13:06 H ok that was faster then 1 by 1 13:05 jcamins I only ever use packages. 13:05 jcamins At least, I believe that is how you do it. 13:05 jcamins (you do this by running `sudo apt-get remove ${PKG_NAME} ${PKG_NAME}:i386` 13:04 jcamins You'll need to remove all of them. 13:03 jcamins Looks like you still have a whole bunch of i386 packages installed. 13:02 H http://mibpaste.com/6JeFHr 13:00 H ok there we go 13:00 jcamins Sure, it's worth a try. 13:00 H i try ? 13:00 tcohen its similar to the script actually 13:00 tcohen that would be ok 12:59 jcamins tcohen: what about just doing sudo apt-get -y install `cat install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages | grep install | sed -e 's/install\$//' | tr -d ' \\t' | tr '\\n' ' '` 2>&1 12:54 H this one /koha/koha-3.08.07/install_misc/ubuntu-pkg-check.sh 12:53 H ill do ? 12:53 H i found ubuntu-pkg-check.sh 12:52 tcohen thats why mark and i put some effort on that ubuntu-pkg-check.sh script 12:51 tcohen because of that --set-selections step 12:51 tcohen the install instructions for ubuntu are broken a while ago 12:51 tcohen jcamins, true 12:50 tcohen H grab the ubuntu-pkg-check.sh file from the patch for 8840, it will print a copy and paste list of packages to tell apt-get to install 12:50 jcamins (apparently... I didn't know that before now) 12:49 jcamins tcohen: it is only the tarball that doesn't work with Ubuntu. 12:49 jcamins tcohen: Ubuntu is fully-supported with packages. 12:49 H i'm taking notes so next time i maybe do it with less problems 12:48 H :) 12:48 H still here 12:48 tcohen H, i'm still testing 12:48 tcohen we need to fully support Ubuntu then, because its really widespread 12:42 jcamins Fewer moving parts. 12:41 jcamins This is why I always tell people to use the packages. 12:40 H thx and sorry for the trouble 12:40 * jcamins will let tcohen take over, since he's willing to spend a lot more time testing this sort of thing. 12:39 H i'm not going annywhere 12:39 tcohen to test first 12:39 tcohen im breaking my box 12:39 tcohen wait a minute 12:38 H it did not gave errors :) 12:38 H how do i know its ok 12:38 H ehm i did run the script 12:38 tcohen i need to break my box like you to test 12:37 tcohen so it stops pulling i386 deps? 12:37 tcohen dpkg --set-selections < deinstall_list 12:37 jcamins Ooh, tcohen's script will do it even faster. 12:37 jcamins `sudo apt-get remove libxml2-dev` 12:37 tcohen for i in $(dpkg --get-selections | grep i386 | cut -f1) ; do echo -e "$i\tdeinstall" >> deinstall_list ; done 12:37 H i started with 10 so :) 12:36 H only have 4 not working dependensies left 12:36 H how do i do that ? 12:36 H then i tried cpan 12:36 jcamins Right, so I'd start by removing libxml2-dev 12:36 H first with sudo apt-get install lib...-...-perl 12:35 H i then tried to install the dependecies that did not work 12:35 jcamins Yeah, that doesn't work. 12:35 H that was 2) 12:35 H 1) i did do $ sudo apt-get install dselect $ sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages $ sudo dselect 12:34 jcamins H: I promise you, we can get Koha working with packages. 12:34 tcohen H, let me think for a minute 12:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality 12:33 tcohen it was intended, in conjunction with bug 8840 12:33 jcamins H: did you add an apt line? 12:33 H the instructions did not work so 12:32 jcamins H: use the packages rather than the tarball. 12:32 jcamins tcohen: didn't we update the instructions to say to not do that? 12:32 H what can i do ? 12:32 tcohen that's the problem 12:32 H yes 12:32 tcohen did u use dpkg --set-selections < something? 12:31 H Linux koha-pr 3.2.0-24-virtual #39-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 21 18:44:18 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux 12:31 wajasu :) 12:31 tcohen uname -a 12:31 H checking 12:31 tcohen (is it an amd64 box?) 12:30 tcohen dpkg --get-selections | grep i386 12:30 jcamins wajasu: told you it would go a lot better if you wrote a script intended to do that. 12:30 jcamins What I'd do is set up an apt line adding the oldstable repo then `sudo apt-get remove libxml2-dev; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install koha` 12:30 wajasu ok. got my script somewhat working that generates auth records. the modbiblio works fine, adding my $9 links. after zebra rebuild of biblios and auths i'm seeing consolidated bibs under the same heading now. 12:29 tcohen it sounds familiar... some1 pulling i386 packages on a amd64 box because of --set-selections maybe? 12:28 jcamins H: I only see a log from trying to install libxml2-dev. 12:26 H with packages i get http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term2.jpg 12:19 jcamins_away H: yes, use packages. 12:15 H annyone knows how to solve this http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term.jpg 12:03 H ill keep searching ... :OP 12:02 kf maybe someone else has an idea 12:02 kf not sure then 12:02 kf ah ok :) 12:02 H welll on my pc at home it works also lol :) 12:02 kf i have never done it that way, i normally go by the wiki instructions 12:01 H this one again echo deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list 12:01 wahanui it has been said that this one is cool as long as someone *wants* acknowledgement 12:01 H this one 12:01 H $ echo deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list 12:00 kf and did it give you an error? 12:00 kf the repositor 12:00 H i did do that 12:00 H but now he wont move i tried cpan also but also no good 12:00 kf you have to add it to your sources list first 11:59 H just a koha library no development .... sudo apt-get install koha-common does not work on my virtual machine so i wen t for the installation procedure in the txtfile (i've installed my test machine 6 months ago 3.8.1 this way) 11:57 kf you can install all dependencies very easily using the packages 11:57 wahanui i think packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 11:57 kf packages? 11:57 kf H: have you seen the packages? 11:56 kf H: what is your goal? do you want to do development or just see how koha works? 11:56 H ubuntu 12.04 lts virtual machine i try 3.8.07 11:30 kf H: which version are you trying to install on which OS? 11:27 gerundio I was able to install that lib on my server with that exact same command 11:27 gerundio H, the command you used was 'apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl'? 11:26 wahanui second question is "What is the exact error message?" 11:26 slef second question? 11:26 slef H: what happened then you tried aptitude or apt-get? 11:07 H i'm fighting with koha here Net::Z3950::ZOOM XML::LibXSLT are missing i tried aptitude search lib...-...-perl sudo apt-get install lib...-...-perl anny more tips here (i work on a virtual server) 10:14 vfernandes bom dia :) 10:14 gerundio hey vfernandes, bom dia 10:13 vfernandes hi :) 09:56 gerundio any idea on how to fix it? 09:56 gerundio I'm getting this warning "zebraidx(23223) [warn] Missing attribute 'type' in attribute info" 09:18 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -0.2°C (10:13 AM CET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 09:18 drojf @wunder berlin, germany 09:09 drojf kf: i am thinking of having a package of koha3.x.x + bug_12345. to apply the patch i have to put something there. 08:51 kf it was said that the new updatedatabase mechanism will solve that... but I haven't looked at it yet 08:51 kf I wouldn't mess with version numbers 08:51 kf there are probably examples in atomicsomething 08:51 kf drojf: maybe just do an executable sql file? 08:34 drojf is there a common practice for locally numbering the db revision if i add a patch that has not been pushed yet to a local package? the XXX irritates the perl tests. would i just take the next number? if i deployed such a package and later upgraded, would everything explode because there is going to be another db revision with the same number? 08:29 drojf moin kf 08:29 kf hi drojf and clrh 08:29 drojf bonjour clrh 08:26 wahanui hey, clrh 08:26 clrh hello 08:24 drojf \o/ sjohnson \o/ 08:24 drojf good morning #koha 08:13 gaetan_B hello 07:52 julian_m hello 07:43 wahanui somebody said git was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 07:43 cait git? 07:42 magnuse oops, looks like someone at bywater have a server to kick 07:39 wahanui hey, reiveune 07:39 reiveune hello 07:32 magnuse alex_a: yeah, not much of a difference! 07:32 magnuse ooh, height of summer... 07:31 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). 07:31 rangi @wunder nzwn 07:31 alex_a :) 07:31 alex_a The difference is just - 07:30 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:20 AM CET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 07:30 magnuse @wunder boo 07:30 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0°C (8:00 AM CET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). 07:30 magnuse @wunder marseille 07:30 magnuse bonjoiur alex_a 07:28 rangi heya alex_a 07:27 cait hi alex_a :) 07:27 alex_a bonjour magnuse cait and rangi ! 07:27 alex_a bonjour 06:41 magnuse hehe 06:41 cait :) 06:41 cait I was laughing at the motd 06:41 magnuse cait: you're starting the day with a lol? yay! 06:41 * magnuse waves 06:30 cait um evening 06:30 cait morning rangi :) 06:29 rangi hi cait 06:28 cait morning #koha 06:27 cait lol 06:22 rangi yep, and it will support UNIMARC, NORMARC and MARC21, depending on what they have set they systempreference to 06:21 reeset so I wasn't sure 06:21 reeset That's kind of how I read it, but it doesn't actually say it supports it in the documentation. 06:20 rangi actually it looks like new_bib will ignore itemdata unless you set the items param 06:20 reeset I'll see if Galen can update the test instance he's setup for me to work with and check the behavior 06:19 reeset Ok -- I'm hoping that's the case 06:19 reeset I figured that might be the case -- I was just hoping I was missing an API call to get version since presumably, as api are added, you'll need specific versions to support them 06:19 rangi probably do that by default, if you record has 952 data 06:18 rangi we do 6 monthly feature releases, and monthly bugfix releases, but people pretty much upgrade whenever they want, some always run the latest releases, lots don't 06:18 reeset Does the new record api support the item bit setting for adding items or will it do that by default? 06:15 reeset Ok -- that's somewhat problematic -- but I'll figure out how to try and deal with this without confusing folks. 06:15 rangi nope, some people are still running 2.2.x versions from 2004ish 06:14 rangi 3.6.x is still supported 06:14 reeset So then do most people update right away -- because some API functions only work with 3.8. 06:14 rangi but no there is no api method that will return the versionnumber 06:13 rangi 3.8.8 will be out on the 22nd of december, 3.8.0 was out in april 06:00 reeset I'm also curious of this is just supported on the update record API. I can see folks wanting to add items when creating new records as well -- but the documentation doesn't say if the ?item=1 bit is supported or necessary for that purpose and I can't test it. 05:59 reeset Especially since the testing instance Galen had setup for me was using 3.06.08.000 -- so I can't even test the ?item=1 bit on the api. 05:59 reeset but the api seems to indicate that this only works in 3.8 and I'm not sure how quickly people move their versions forward. 05:58 reeset I've been chatting with Galen and a few folks playing with the MarcEdit work I've been doing and they want the ability to edit item data... 05:58 reeset I'm curious -- is there an API method that will return the koha version number? 01:05 dcook Well, time to call it a day. Thanks again for the info and test, jcamins 00:48 jcamins We have non-USian films on DVD. 00:47 dcook I suppose that's the downside, but optical media seem so passé at this point, despite certain...vulnerabilities they might have 00:46 wizzyrea and get a drm free copy 00:46 wizzyrea because you can still rip blu rays 00:46 wizzyrea of course that would really suck 00:46 wizzyrea i would find it infinitely amusing if we went to strictly digital distribution 00:46 dcook Can't say that I have any myself or know anyone that does 00:45 dcook Haha. No kidding 00:44 jcamins See how much it occurs in my world? ;) 00:44 jcamins dcook: right, whatever it's called. 00:44 dcook Blue ray as in Blu-ray? I certainly wouldn't disagree.. 00:43 dcook Sweet. Thanks, jcamins 00:42 jcamins Okay... am I wrong to think that Blue ray is entirely unnecessary at this juncture? 00:41 jcamins Done. 00:40 jcamins Good idea. 00:39 dcook I might be a bit OCD, but I imagine someone else might have the same question eventually 00:38 dcook I just requested a wiki account, but could you add a bit at the bottom about how other languages will still be indexed correctly despite the customizations for Arabic? 00:36 dcook Cool :) 00:32 jcamins Fixed. 00:31 jcamins The point of confusion was the addition of the "UseICU" syspref, which does not enable ICU, but was added for 3.8. 00:31 dcook *thumbs up* 00:31 dcook Ahh 00:31 jcamins That's what I'm changing. 00:31 dcook But one would still need to change from the .chr file to the .xml file somehow.. 00:31 jcamins Right. 00:30 dcook Mind you, that might be because there was a change to use a variable set by Makefile, I think... 00:30 dcook There's no mention in 3.8+ 00:30 dcook Oh no, it's just the part about modifying default.idx is only under 3.6 and under 00:29 jcamins -ish. 00:29 jcamins I'll be done soon. 00:29 jcamins Sorry. 00:29 jcamins dcook: you mean because I'm presently editing it? 00:28 dcook Hmm, the layout isn't quite right on that page.. 00:26 dcook By all means. It would be worth adding a mention that setting a locale still allows one to index other languages properly. I would say it's easy to test, but only if one has records in multiple languages and has knowledge of those multiple languages. 00:25 jcamins I should update that. 00:25 jcamins drojf: no. 00:24 jcamins I think there is a way to map a prefix to nil. That'd be convenient. 00:24 drojf you only need to turn the syspref on for 3.8? 00:24 jcamins Oh, I already said that. 00:24 jcamins Hm. 00:24 jcamins Hm. 00:22 jcamins Oh, wow, nice page! 00:22 jcamins That's the one. 00:22 dcook I didn't notice this before either: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Correcting_Search_of_Arabic_records 00:21 dcook http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/8833 00:21 dcook Mhm 00:21 jcamins Yeah, that's the one I meant. It's in e-mail an e-mail somewhere. 00:21 jcamins And Zebra doesn't do stemming for Arabic no way, no how. 00:21 dcook Karam Qubsi mentioned something about prefixes and suffixes 00:21 jcamins There's an icu chains file for handling al- (why did I disable the Arabic keyboard? It makes it difficult to type in Arabic). 00:20 jcamins Which issues? 00:19 dcook I'll have to remember to report back on how it turns out. 00:19 dcook I'll have to do my test later on. I think there might still be some issues with Arabic that ICU doesn't solve without some customizations, but...that's another story 00:19 dcook Hehe. I love easy answers 00:18 jcamins I love easy questions. 00:18 jcamins You're welcome. 00:18 dcook jcamins++ 00:18 dcook Thanks for looking to that, jcamins 00:18 dcook Sweet! 00:17 jcamins So I think you should be fine with any locale at all. :) 00:17 jcamins And, yes, searching for Hebrew works great. 00:17 jcamins I'm sorry, my locale is "" 00:16 drojf rangi: i guess it would have worked, thanks. now i apparently have no space left on device and rather go to bed :/ 00:16 dcook Excellent. Thanks, jcamins :) 00:16 jcamins One moment... 00:15 jcamins I'll just confirm that it's still working on Master. 00:15 jcamins Yup. :) 00:15 dcook Intriguing 00:15 dcook Yeah? 00:15 jcamins I search Hebrew records with a locale of fr. 00:15 jcamins To be honest, me too. 00:14 dcook I'm confused by the purpose of the locale attribute then though 00:14 dcook Glad to hear it :) 00:13 jcamins In that case, I don't think you'll run into problems. 00:12 dcook It's only about 10,000 bibs 00:12 jcamins If >500k, you might need the very latest version of Zebra. 00:11 jcamins How many records? 00:11 jcamins Nope. No problems at all that I know of. 00:11 dcook Since it's a multilingual library 00:10 dcook I figure it should work fine using an icu_chain locale of "ar", but I wonder if that will cause problems with the English and French records 00:10 jcamins Go for it! 00:10 dcook jcamins: Yep. Have thought about moving a library over to using ICU so that the Arabic is indexed properly 00:09 jcamins dcook: questions about ICU?