Time  Nick         Message
22:56 drojf        argh missed cait
22:48 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @arwenamin: "@ranginui Awesome. I set my frameworks up with #RDA yesterday. #kohails"
22:37 wizzyrea     *snicker*
22:36 rangi        https://twitter.com/ranginui/status/278629043845345280
22:36 * rangi      giggles
22:21 drojf        i guess that explains -o
22:21 huginn       gmcharlt: False
22:21 gmcharlt     @config plugins.Unix.fortune.offensive
22:18 wizzyrea     he's getting pretty feisty
22:18 gmcharlt     wizzyrea: alternatively, you could find 99 more four-year-olds, then seen how druthb does ;)
22:18 druthb       He'd kick my butt.
22:17 druthb       I'd lose to your four-year-old, wizzy.
22:17 wizzyrea     ooo!
22:17 huginn       drojf: You will be given a post of trust and responsibility.
22:17 drojf        @fortune
22:17 * wizzyrea   hides her four year old
22:17 huginn       druthb: You will be a winner today.  Pick a fight with a four-year-old.
22:17 huginn       wizzyrea: Q:	Why do firemen wear red suspenders? A:	To conform with departmental regulations concerning uniform dress.
22:17 druthb       @fortune
22:17 wizzyrea     @fortune
22:17 druthb       :P
22:17 wizzyrea     that's a joke not a fortune.
22:17 wizzyrea     hrmph.
22:17 huginn       wizzyrea: Q:	How many Martians does it take to screw in a light bulb? A:	One and a half.
22:17 wizzyrea     @fortune
22:17 wizzyrea     that's a good one
22:17 huginn       druthb: You definitely intend to start living sometime soon.
22:17 druthb       @fortune
22:17 wizzyrea     :)
22:16 huginn       eythian: Living your life is a task so difficult, it has never been attempted before.
22:16 eythian      @fortune
22:15 * wizzyrea   needs to load fortunes
22:15 eythian      I don't think the plugin understands it
22:14 eythian      try it on the command line
22:14 wizzyrea     what's -o?
22:14 huginn       eythian: Don't let your mind wander -- it's too little to be let out alone.
22:14 eythian      @fortune -o
22:13 druthb       lol
22:13 huginn       druthb: Q:	Why does Washington have the most lawyers per capita and 	New Jersey the most toxic waste dumps? A:	God gave New Jersey first choice.
22:13 druthb       @fortune
22:13 druthb       heh
22:13 huginn       trea: Q:	What do you say to a New Yorker with a job? A:	Big Mac, fries and a Coke, please!
22:13 trea         @fortune
22:12 wizzyrea     scurry
22:12 eythian      hmm, not so sure there
22:12 eythian      -- Eric Allman, "Sendmail Installation Guide"
22:12 eythian      Sendmail may be safely run set-user-id to root.
22:12 eythian      $ fortune
22:12 huginn       wizzyrea: No violence, gentlemen -- no violence, I beg of you!  Consider the furniture! 		-- Sherlock Holmes
22:12 wizzyrea     @fortune
22:12 wizzyrea     hehehe
22:11 huginn       eythian: Stay the curse.
22:11 wizzyrea     thanks gmcharlt :)
22:11 eythian      @fortune
22:11 wizzyrea     YESSS
22:11 druthb       puh.
22:11 huginn       druthb: Executive ability is prominent in your make-up.
22:11 druthb       @fortune
22:11 huginn       gmcharlt: Q:	What do they call the alphabet in Arkansas? A:	The impossible dream.
22:11 gmcharlt     @fortune
22:09 huginn       gmcharlt: Error: I couldn't find the fortune command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.fortune.command configuration variable appropriately.
22:09 gmcharlt     @fortune
22:08 eythian      it's presumably just a call to the unix 'fortune' command anyway
22:07 wizzyrea     but it's kind of not a necessity :P
22:07 wizzyrea     our bot doesn't have fortune :)
22:07 * gmcharlt   perks up
22:06 wizzyrea     or both!
22:06 wizzyrea     or transcribe them all and have gmcharlt load them into the supybot
22:06 wizzyrea     the fortune book is a good one - I should tear them all out and put them in a fishbowl
22:03 wahanui      rangi: short leg on process table
22:03 rangi        excuse?
22:03 wizzyrea     :D
22:03 jcamins      So true.
22:03 jcamins      lol
22:03 drojf        lol
22:02 wizzyrea     "your attention to detail is both a blessing and potentially kind of creepy"
22:02 eythian      oh well
22:02 huginn       eythian: Error: I couldn't find the fortune command on this system. If it is installed on this system, reconfigure the supybot.plugins.Unix.fortune.command configuration variable appropriately.
22:02 eythian      @fortune
22:02 wizzyrea     and the one I first saw was
22:02 wizzyrea     (beacuse I was going to give jcamins one)
22:02 wizzyrea     haha I just opened up my book of fortunes
22:01 jcamins      And find my shoes...
22:01 * cait       sends jcamins cherry cake
22:01 rangi        nice!
22:01 jcamins      I have to revise the second-to-last patch and squash it into the previous patch, and give the combined patch a useful commit message.
22:01 * wizzyrea   is so proud of jcamins :)
22:01 cait         jcamins: looks like the project is progressing nicely :)
22:01 wizzyrea     seems almost certain - the guy really had no idea about what he was actually doing!
22:01 jcamins      http://git.cpbibliography.com/?p=koha.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/search_rewrite_submit
22:00 drojf        i believe they did :)
22:00 drojf        ah yeah i forgot about that option
22:00 rangi        maybe they answered off list?
22:00 rangi        not as yet drojf
21:59 eythian      yeah, getting perl modules in to debian is reasonably straightforward.
21:59 drojf        rangi: making the librarians take over support on the mailing list did not really work, did it?
21:59 jcamins      But I have to leave now.
21:59 jcamins      Like, I'm just a couple of commit messages and a small revision away.
21:58 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9239 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, NEW , Koha should share Evergreen's QueryParser module for parsing queries
21:58 jcamins      Argh! So close to having patches to submit for bug 9239!
21:54 jcamins      Because, you know, I have so much free time...
21:54 jcamins      Their page says it requires some adoption.
21:53 rangi        that would be handy!
21:53 jcamins      Ooh, I could help get libchi-perl into Debian.
21:51 drojf        right around the corner
21:51 drojf        #debian-perl
21:51 * eythian    is on the phone
21:50 rangi        http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup#How_to_get_involved
21:50 rangi        http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianPerlGroup
21:50 rangi        you don't need to be a DD
21:50 rangi        the debian perl team are cool
21:49 rangi        you can
21:49 drojf        i think getting your stuff in debian is a slow and complicated process. probably eythian knows more about it
21:49 jcamins      I'm not a Debian developer.
21:49 jcamins      drojf: can I do that?
21:49 jcamins      (which it is)
21:49 drojf        i would want you to provide debian with a copy :P
21:49 jcamins      (assuming this CPAN module was a dependency shared by Koha and Evergreen)
21:48 jcamins      eythian: if I am the maintainer of a CPAN module that I am distributing as a .deb (in addition to as source), would the correct way to handle it be to have a separate apt repo, or would you want me to provide you with a copy of the .debs?
21:47 jcamins      Oh, I have a question for eythian.
21:45 drojf        who needs wages when you have the joy of library work?
21:44 drojf        imagine all those subversive books that libraries don't buy now
21:44 jcamins      [off] More money for organizations like ALA that just encourage wage depression, less for people who get wages?
21:44 drojf        it is
21:44 drojf        yes
21:44 jcamins      drojf: isn't that the point?
21:44 drojf        but anyway, $$$
21:44 drojf        also, money will be lost somewhere where it could have been used for better stuff
21:43 drojf        money will be made
21:43 cait         maybe I am missing the point
21:43 cait         and then nothing will be won
21:43 cait         I mean, ok, the big ones will, but all the small ones will not care and stick with the old standard
21:42 cait         really, who does think this is a good idea for a standard libraries are supposed to use?
21:42 rangi        drojf: i can sell you one
21:42 wizzyrea     there's a field for that.
21:42 wizzyrea     ah comedy
21:42 drojf        if i only had some crazily expensive toolkit to tell me how to use it
21:42 cait         lol
21:42 rangi        339 - DOES THIS SUCK $a YES
21:42 drojf        heh
21:42 rangi        there's a field for not being into RDA too
21:41 drojf        i'm not
21:39 cait         but germany is into rda too :(
21:39 cait         wizzyrea: I agree :(
21:39 cait         lol
21:39 drojf        that explains everything
21:39 drojf        Radioactive dentin abrasion (RDA) is a method of measuring of the erosive effect of abrasives in toothpaste on tooth dentin.
21:38 wizzyrea     "don't pay for this ridiculous toolkit... buy us boooooooks"
21:38 rangi        theres a field for that
21:38 wizzyrea     just sayin.
21:38 wizzyrea     tiny library children are weeping
21:37 wizzyrea     seriously that makes kids cry.
21:37 rangi        it's all RDA all the time
21:37 cait         doom.
21:37 cait         and another...
21:36 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  RDA Support in Koha http://t.co/HofrBVY8"
21:33 drojf        lol. a standard you gotta love
21:33 rangi        "why do you charge that much?" "because we can"
21:33 drojf        We are certain you will find that it is the most effective way to interact with the new standard.
21:32 rangi        a way to suck money from the public sector
21:32 rangi        it's a rort
21:32 cait         I have seen it - no gold
21:31 drojf        goodness, what's with the license fees for the toolkit? is it made of gold?
21:30 rangi        apparently people thought it was all hard and complicated and stuff :)
21:28 cait         that was fast
21:28 trea         hehe
21:28 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @ranginui: "RDA Support in Koha http://t.co/Byo8fa3U #kohails"
21:28 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @maryakem: "No fuss. No muss. #getthispartystarted RT @ranginui RDA Support in Koha http://t.co/szr0hGFJ … #kohails"
21:27 cait         wizzyrea: I will worry about that tomorrow :)
21:27 eythian      it'll be the last repeating date until 2101
21:27 wizzyrea     if we're going to be arbitrary about it.
21:27 wizzyrea     i mean 12 12 12 is much scarier than 211212
21:27 wizzyrea     yea, idk why people aren't excited about TODAY and not the 21st
21:26 jcamins      lol
21:26 wizzyrea     OMG
21:26 cait         so it is
21:26 rangi        IVE DOOMED US ALL!!!!
21:25 rangi        so i posted about RDA on 12/12/12
21:25 wizzyrea     :)
21:24 drojf        lol
21:23 jcamins      It's one of those things that I thought about and decided I didn't really care, and I'd let someone else fix. :P
21:23 jcamins      It's submitting a higher level form.
21:22 wizzyrea     I will if I can figure it out.
21:22 jcamins      Chrome propagates events.
21:22 jcamins      Oh, no, I know why it does that.
21:22 wizzyrea     hmm that would take some thinking
21:22 jcamins      Which still doesn't work under Chrome.
21:22 jcamins      Yes.
21:22 huginn       04Bug 8557: normal, P3, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , in orderreceive.tt and serials-edit.tt the use of a barcode scan send the form unexpectedly
21:22 wizzyrea     you were thinking of http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8557
21:21 jcamins      Darn... wanna fix it for Chrome too, please? :P
21:21 wizzyrea     really, i swear, it's a different place
21:21 wizzyrea     no
21:20 jcamins      wizzyrea: are you on Chrome?
21:20 drojf        i had angry birds hd on my tablet. at one point i lost the saved game and finally could stop to play it
21:20 wizzyrea     I checked those bugs
21:20 wizzyrea     (because I just fixed it in master ;)
21:20 wizzyrea     jcamins: it was not fixed on that page
21:19 drojf        lol
21:19 * cait       has played angry birds star wars
21:19 cait         with the force...
21:19 drojf        ?
21:18 drojf        cait: are you trying to pull my wifi cableß
21:17 drojf        [off] computer-related person from university obviously gave out her whole address book to skillpages. and i am the winner of invites to two different of my email addresses. yay, professionals. not. m(
21:17 * cait       takes it away from drojf
21:17 cait         poor network
21:13 * drojf      slaps his network
21:01 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #974: FIXED in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/974/
21:01 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
20:36 tcohen       bye #koha
20:25 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality
20:25 tcohen       cait, about bug 8840, the problem is the ubuntu.12.04.packages is not properly maintained (i guess)
20:21 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9267 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Ubuntu 12.04 install docs broken
20:21 tcohen       bug 9267, after IRC helpdesk work for that H guy :-P
20:19 mustard      cool beans
20:17 cait         cool!
20:17 rangi        from alaska this time
20:17 rangi        yay, another library card
20:06 rangi        ah ha thanks
20:06 jcamins      And non-repeatable.
20:05 jcamins      Repeatable.
20:05 rangi        NR not required?
20:05 rangi        jcamins: http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd336.html the R there means required?
20:04 jcamins      Then... I don't know.
20:04 jcamins      Oh.
20:03 oleonard     I don't think so, because it's another column that is wrapped in [% UNLESS ( item_level_itypes ) %]
20:02 jcamins      *think
20:02 jcamins      oleonard: when you have bib-level item types, I thin.
20:02 oleonard     What kind of authorized value might display an image in OPAC search results?
20:02 oleonard     Under what circumstances does the OPAC show "SEARCH_RESULT.AuthorisedValueImages"
20:01 jcamins      :P
20:01 jcamins      paul_p: there's a difference?
20:00 paul_p       jcamins is switching from RM to BD -Benevolent Dictator- ;-)
20:00 tcohen       bye paul_p
20:00 tcohen       heh
20:00 paul_p       OK, have a good day kiwis & aussies, have a good afternoon americans, have a good night europeans !
20:00 jcamins      tcohen: well, yes, but there are some political issues that can best be solved by the RM (me) saying "this is the rule. Follow it, or I won't push your patches."
19:59 tcohen       i see politics everywhere
19:59 jcamins      Yes we will.
19:59 paul_p       ok, let's do it like this, we will see how things goes.
19:59 jcamins      I don't believe in technical solutions for political problems or vice versa.
19:58 tcohen       the second time a dev tells us we forgot... we wont again
19:58 jcamins      tcohen: at least you will after I start rejecting things 'cause it's not filled in. ;)
19:58 tcohen       we will all fill that field
19:58 paul_p       jcamins right, it requires javascript
19:58 paul_p       jcamins ah, ok, it's a problem for patches submitted before I set this information. In this case, maybe the best option is to bulkmodify all those bugs with patches with a default complexity value ?
19:57 jcamins      Also, apparently it requires javascript in order to show up at all.
19:57 jcamins      Right.
19:57 rangi        or even add themselves as cc
19:57 jcamins      "Oh, sorry, you can't save your comment unless you set patch complexity!"
19:57 jcamins      They want to ask a question about a patch someone submitted?
19:57 wahanui      jcamins is very, very irascible.
19:57 paul_p       jcamins ???
19:57 jcamins      Yes they do.
19:56 paul_p       jcamins but non developpers don't submit patches, so they don't have to fill this field !
19:56 jcamins      rangi: thanks.
19:56 rangi        jcamins: the build got further this time, i think just permission errors int he jenkins dir, fixed now
19:56 jcamins      It is, but I would prefer to spend more time saying "please provide this information" and less time manually attaching patches.
19:56 jcamins      But I can't use git-bz to handle my workflow with the field set to mandatory, and we have non-developers worrying that they're doing things wrong.
19:56 paul_p       with this field being non mandatory, i'm pretty sure it will be ignored & not set... & I think it's a damn usefull information !
19:55 jcamins      It's easy for me to tell people "you must set patch complexity or we will assume it's a very complex patch and save it for when we have lots of time free."
19:55 jcamins      paul_p: because with patch complexity mandatory, asking questions and submitting patches becomes a burden.
19:54 * paul_p     QAed 13 patches today, that will be enough for today ! (I'm tired, need some sleep, 10PM in greece)
19:54 cait         because various people have reported problems with it
19:53 paul_p       ok, so jcamins why did you asked that ? ;-)
19:53 rangi        because jcamins asked me to
19:53 paul_p       rangi  (& jcamins maybe) = "ok patch complexity is now optional and always visible" => why did you change that ?
19:53 jenkins_koha Starting build #974 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #971 3 days 4 hr ago)
19:52 tcohen       samsung's BIOS upgrade: acpi battery status working at last on ubuntu!
19:51 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @aliciaselles: "Camino a Bilbao, mañana toca formación #kohails #MASmediosporelmundo (@ Terminal 4 w/ 10 others) http://t.co/j9zk3Pej"
19:50 jcamins      Thanks.
19:50 rangi        ill look
19:49 jcamins      I was able to build and install on my server.
19:49 jcamins      rangi: it's failing prior to starting the build, and I can't see why.
19:48 rangi        jcamins: what was the jenkins thing?
19:48 rangi        jcamins: ok patch complexity is now optional and always visible
19:47 cait         wb
19:45 rangi        back
19:22 oleonard     jcamins: Not without the right doctype
19:21 jcamins      oleonard: it was being extensible? :P
19:21 oleonard     " A table row was 4 columns wide, which is less than the column count established by the first row (5)" Why didn't the XHTML validator give errors like that?
19:19 oleonard     Lots of fun new errors from the validator after switching the doctype
19:02 rangi        Ok my stop bb after coffee
19:02 jcamins      That is correct.
19:02 jcamins      Yes.
19:02 jcamins      Unit tests are welcomed for changes to existing routines, but not required... yet. ;)
19:02 paul_p       I see a patch that adds a sub in C4/Circulation.pm and has no unit test => failed QA, right ?
19:02 jcamins      paul_p: unit tests are required for all new routines in C4:: and Koha::.
19:01 paul_p       jcamins = could you remind me what's your rule about unit tests for 3.12 ?
19:01 jcamins      paul_p: yes I am.
19:01 huginn       paul_p: The current temperature in Kalamaki - AirMar, Alimos, Greece is 13.2°C (8:55 PM EET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Rising).
19:01 paul_p       @wunder athens, greece
19:00 paul_p       jcamins are you about ?
18:59 huginn       druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 6.5°C (12:58 PM CST on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 20%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
18:59 druthb       @wunder 66046
18:57 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on December 12, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
18:57 rangi        @wunder nzwn
18:55 rangi        Yep
18:55 jcamins      Yesss, I think so.
18:54 jcamins      Does $variable =~ s/something//; return true if it makes the replacement?
18:50 rangi        He is always asking for news
18:49 rangi        You should definitely email Daniel (the newsletter editor) about that
18:49 jcamins      manderson++
18:49 Manderson1   still have more work to do on it, but it's a start
18:49 rangi        Yay :)
18:49 Manderson1   http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Redhat_Enterprise_6
18:45 rangi        I'm annoying like that
18:45 rangi        I'll do it today and post it on the wiki
18:45 rangi        Hehe yeah
18:44 jcamins      (valid HTML? Why would we want to support that?)
18:44 jcamins      They've misinterpreted "why would we want to waste our time on a standard that no one can afford to use?" as meaning the same thing it does when an average proprietary vendor says that.
18:43 rangi        So I want to be all look its done, your move
18:43 rangi        I've heard natlib say it would be hard for koha to do it
18:43 jcamins      (he says through tears)
18:42 jcamins      Yeah, it's very readily doable.
18:42 rangi        It's mostly to prove a point
18:42 rangi        I figure I could do one pretty fast
18:42 jcamins      lol
18:42 * druthb     wants to see if he'll cry.
18:41 druthb       I asked jcamins.
18:41 wahanui      druthb: what?
18:41 druthb       I didn't ask you, wahanui.
18:41 jcamins      That's the one.
18:41 wahanui      somebody said RDA was a room in a twisty maze of standards
18:41 druthb       jcamins:  RDA?
18:41 jcamins      I mostly just cry when asked about RDA. :P
18:41 * jcamins    doesn't, sorry.
18:41 rangi        Oh hey does anybody have a framework with the rda fields in it?
18:39 rangi        Hehe
18:37 jcamins      Not to mention, how?
18:37 jcamins      Why would I do something like that?
18:36 jcamins      Did I really survive with authority search results this dreadful for three years?
18:36 jcamins      It takes very little time to get used to decent relevance ranking.
18:35 jcamins      Wow.
18:35 rangi        Heh
18:33 jcamins      I hope you appreciated our efforts to give you enough reading material for the entire bus ride. :)
18:33 jcamins      Thanks.
18:33 rangi        I'll look at bugzilla when I get to my desk
18:31 wahanui      Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:31 rangi        Morning
18:28 tcohen       internet got too slow, leaving home then
18:20 cait         cool:)
18:20 tcohen       i'll check what is wrong
18:20 cait         ok
18:20 tcohen       cait, i've read your report
18:16 tcohen       i started the fix for the docs when speaking to that H guy about his broken dependecies after dpkg
18:15 cait         sorry typing while eating dinner - slow :)
18:15 cait         i copied the output...
18:15 tcohen       i should have read your report :-D
18:15 cait         nope
18:15 tcohen       didn't it say it was the wrong verison?
18:14 cait         hm it listed the one i removed for testing
18:14 tcohen       a sane way to install dependencies instead of plain dpkg --set-selections
18:14 tcohen       second, we intended to make use of an unused script for providing the users
18:13 tcohen       first, ubuntu.*packages files might be outdated
18:13 tcohen       there are two problems
18:12 cait         was wondering what went wrong there
18:12 tcohen       that issues a oneliner for installing without the dpkg --set-selections mess
18:12 cait         ah cool :)
18:12 tcohen       INSTALL.ubuntu.12.04
18:12 tcohen       i'm about to post a patch for the docs
18:12 cait         the one I was looking at yesterday
18:12 tcohen       oh, hte one that failed qa
18:12 cait         heh :)
18:12 tcohen       :-D
18:11 wahanui      well, which one is 3.6.x?
18:11 tcohen       which one?
18:11 cait         working on the bug?
18:11 cait         hi tcohen
18:09 tcohen       provided we tell the user how to install them separately on the docs?
18:09 tcohen       question, should apache2 and mysql-server be listed in install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages?
17:59 oleonard     Too bad it complains about <link rel=”unapi-server”>
17:58 magnuse      yay for html5
17:45 * drojf      heads home
17:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9265 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Switch to HTML5 doctype in OPAC and staff client
17:34 oleonard     Bug 9265
17:30 cait         :)
17:28 drojf        hi cait
17:27 drojf        alright. i had a look at this sometime in the past but never really worked with it
17:26 jcamins      Mischief!
17:26 cait         what are you 2 up to? :)
17:25 * cait       waves
17:24 jcamins      biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl is automatically regenerated from biblio-koha-indexdefs.
17:24 jcamins      biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml and biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl.
17:24 drojf        that looks way to easy
17:23 drojf        do i just have to change biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl?
17:22 mtompset     Have a good day (24 hour period) everyone.
17:19 jcamins      lol
17:18 drojf        interesting choice of filenames. let's call the iso2709-file something with marc.xml and the marcxml-file something else :P
17:18 drojf        iso2709.recordtype: dom-config-marc.xml
17:18 drojf        marcxml.recordtype: dom-config.xml
17:12 jcamins      It's actually really easy.
17:12 jcamins      True.
17:11 drojf        and it would not hurt to know how it works with dom anyway. i figured it out with grs-1, it cannot be worse
17:10 drojf        because we had customized it a little in an older version and want to have that once we go live, but we have a new machine and 3.8 with DOM installed
17:09 jcamins      What are you trying to do?
17:09 jcamins      drojf: it's never a good time for that.
17:08 drojf        is 6pm a good time for looking at grs-1 to dom index conversion? i don't feel much like it.
17:06 jcamins      lol
17:06 drojf        i would like to have something like that replace "last christmas"
17:06 druthb       I'm thinking of the Python "Election Night Special" sketch, and candidate "Tarquin Fintimlimbimlimbimwhimbimlin Bus Stop Ftang Ftang Olay Biscuit Barrel".
17:01 jcamins      There's a Shabbat song with the lyrics "bim bam" repeated over and over... I am imagining someone singing "fim bip, fim bam bip..."
17:00 druthb       lulz
16:58 jcamins      You're welcome.
16:58 pastebot     "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "I am easily amused..." (16 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/310
16:57 jcamins      Exactly.
16:57 mtompset     He's a coding, cataloging expert, not a masochistic rewrite every search engine writer. ;)
16:56 drojf        \o/
16:53 jcamins      It's one problem, and one which won't exist after the search rewrite.
16:53 jcamins      No thanks.
16:52 drojf        do a zebra rewrite then, too :P
16:49 jcamins      That's one of the few Zebra-related problems that isn't our fault.
16:49 drojf        if only somebody would come and do a search rewrite
16:49 drojf        heh
16:48 jcamins      Buggy CCL2RPN FTW!
16:48 drojf        ah-oh
16:48 jcamins      Except curly brackets don't work when ICU is disabled.
16:48 jcamins      That's what we did for a while.
16:48 drojf        assuming it does that because $something does not work otherwise, wouldn't it have been less confusing to use curly brackets in general instead of syspref-ing this?
16:47 * jcamins    doesn't either. :P
16:46 drojf        heh. i'm slightly underwhelmed. don't know what i expected though
16:46 jcamins      drojf: yes.
16:45 drojf        is the only thing that UseICU == 1 does change quotes in XSLT to curly brackets?
16:38 drojf        Manderson1++
16:36 Manderson1   Ok...I'll do that.
16:36 jcamins      You can just add it to the wiki.
16:35 Manderson1   or shall I just add it to the wiki?
16:34 Manderson1   got a place you'd like me to paste it?
16:34 Manderson1   k, hang on
16:33 oleonard     that sounds quite relevant
16:33 Manderson1   oleonard: I installed 3.8 (I think) last month
16:33 Manderson1   oleonard: I know - their version seems dated.
16:33 oleonard     Manderson1: Is it for a current version?
16:33 drojf        Manderson1: i believe it is, give us all you got
16:32 oleonard     Manderson1: You can usually tell by how old it is
16:32 Manderson1   Do you want it for the wiki?
16:32 Manderson1   I have some information on how to install Koha on Red-hat...is it still relevant?
16:32 drojf        Manderson1: outside of it
16:32 jcamins      Manderson1: they are not popular.
16:32 Manderson1   Thanks for the info on Community vs Liblime. I am just curious of how they stand as a company in the eyes of the open source community.
16:30 drojf        it's even pronounced vaguely german. cool
16:30 drojf        great example at urbandictionary.com ;)
16:29 jcamins      drojf: interesting example you found there.
16:29 * jcamins    does a doubletake.
16:28 mtompset     http://imgfave.com/view/1698611 ("English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over the head, and goes through their pockets for loose grammar."
16:27 drojf        verboten          (Adj) Excluded from use or mention.  Derived from the German word meaning forbidden. "I had no problem getting to second base with her, but the chastity belt told me going any further would be strictly verboten."
16:26 chris_n      hehe
16:26 jcamins      lol
16:26 mtompset     drojf: English takes other languages down a dark back alley and assaults them for language.
16:26 drojf        one of the most german words :D
16:25 drojf        cool
16:25 jcamins      drojf: yes.
16:25 drojf        "PERL10: Verboten subroutine parameters" <-- 'verboten' made it into the english language?
16:25 jcamins      I'm not seeing how producing ugly code will help other people read documentation.
16:24 mtompset     Yes, but if someone adds code elsewhere, they may not pass a parameter that they could, because they were looking at the smaller call version.
16:23 jcamins      mtompset: but you have no idea what they are without looking at the POD.
16:22 mtompset     but then you know how many parameters are there.
16:17 jcamins      myroutine($variable, undef, undef) is ugly.
16:16 mtompset     Out of curiousity, why PERL8? Is that for perl critic reasons?
16:12 mtompset     Okay, I'm back.
16:10 mtompset_AFK OH! Now I get it too. Yes, I think libsysguy meant me. You know the stats I was asking about are useful to guessing how big a Koha server should be. :P
16:03 kf           georgia++
16:01 rambutan     I think I should close my eyes.
16:01 libsysguy    haha @PERL17
16:00 libsysguy    soab, thats what I get for reading too many chat windows lol
16:00 * jcamins    adds PERL17.
16:00 tcohen       oh, i get it, it was mtompset thou
15:59 libsysguy    it was a bad joke
15:59 libsysguy    ohh you were asking about the size of my collection
15:59 tcohen       "<libsysguy> geez tcohen its only the first date"
15:59 libsysguy    tcohen what do you mean?
15:57 libsysguy    I had my OO hat on
15:57 libsysguy    :p
15:57 libsysguy    jcamins yes thats exactly what I meant
15:51 tcohen       libsysguy, do u think i went too fast with druthb?
15:51 paul_p       leaving Elidoc offices, back online in less than one hour !
15:50 jcamins      libsysguy: you mean make it clear that for OO code (which the example isn't) $self and $args are different?
15:49 libsysguy    you should separate $self from $args
15:48 libsysguy    I only have one addition to perl16
15:46 mtompset_AFK There in is our difference. :P -- And I'm not a preacher type. Just a cog in a larger translation ministry. :)
15:45 drojf        mtompset_AFK: i only spread the word of koha, not a god :P
15:45 oleonard     I work for a charitable organization wherein I am the beneficiary, but no one seems to agree that this counts
15:45 jcamins      Could someone take a look at rules PERL14-PERL16, and let me know if they make sense? http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines#PERL14:_Exports
15:44 mtompset_AFK Yes, but do you work for a charitable organization? :P
15:44 oleonard     Nice work if you can get it
15:44 drojf        i could use 32 people at $25/month too
15:43 mtompset     Well, errands to run. :)
15:41 mtompset     Turns out our financial shortfall isn't as big as I was worried it would be, so just need to find 32 people at $25/month, and I'm back in the Koha game. :)
15:40 tcohen       hahah
15:40 mtompset     I missed you too, tcohen. ;)
15:40 tcohen       mtompset is back!
15:37 drojf        as are the conceptions of "free" and "open"
15:35 kf           Manderson1: and the Koha we develop and their software are very different
15:35 khall        cool
15:34 jcamins      Right now I'm revising coding guidelines so there won't be confusion.
15:34 oleonard     Manderson1: We do our best to ignore Liblime because they don't want to participate in our project. Why do you ask?
15:34 kf           Manderson1: I think you will have to explain why you are asking maybe. I thas been resolved as in 'separated'
15:34 jcamins      khall: thanks. I'll take a look shortly.
15:34 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
15:34 khall        jcamins, new qa followup submitted for bug 7067
15:33 drojf        mtompset: i think using one db for several koha instances does exist when people want to have different OPACs layouts but share the data
15:33 oleonard     Ha!
15:33 Manderson1   There was some friction between liblime and the koha community. Has that been resolved?
15:30 julian_m     oleonard, ok, let me know if you find something interesting ;)
15:29 kf           slef: I think I am going to leave this to wiser people (who know more about system administrationm)
15:29 mtompset     Oh, okay. Now I get what you mean.
15:29 slef         kf: there is another way to implement it, the equivalent of generalising rbuild_zebra = a job that runs every 5 minutes, looks to see what tasks it should do. That has its own benefits and drawbacks, so it's hard to say what's best.
15:29 oleonard     julian_m: I'm just beginning to learn about it
15:29 druthb       paul_p: It's working for me, now.  Don't know what was triggering that hung query.
15:29 slef         mtompset: no, they'd need to install multiple koha's and run as the same system user (rather than koha-lib1, koha-lib2... like the packages do).
15:28 mtompset     Ewww... slef, are you saying people install multiple koha's, but use the same DB?
15:28 oleonard     julian_m: The idea is to load one js file (require.js) and then pass a configuration file to require.js telling it what other dependencies you need.
15:28 julian_m     oleonard, so the browser load only js files it needs ?
15:27 oleonard     julian_m: I'm just learning about it, but I hear great things about it
15:27 slef         kf: so no problem.
15:27 slef         kf: if you use the packages, koha virtualhosts have their own users.
15:27 oleonard     julian_m: It's a way to asynchronously load javascript dependencies
15:27 slef         kf: for the security vulnerabilities to occur, you would need to run all virtualhosts as the same user (bad) and install multiple koha virtualhosts without realising they could interact (bad)
15:27 julian_m     oleonard, never heard about it... what is it ?
15:26 tweetbot`    [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails  Behind the scenes in Technical Services: Koha serials tweaks we like http://t.co/7UClh4kR"
15:26 kf           slef: I think maybe we should ask semarie to take a look for security
15:26 druthb       could be.  Hard to believe the darn thing is *that* fragile, though, that user error like that could trash the whole works.
15:26 oleonard     julian_m: Have you ever worked with require.js? (http://requirejs.org/)
15:26 slef         no, the packages avoid it completely
15:26 kf           because it's super easy
15:26 paul_p       druthb = at least that made poedit-windows core dump...
15:26 kf           more and more every day
15:26 kf           witht he packages?
15:25 slef         kf: how many install multiple Kohas?
15:25 kf           so if a feature is on by default that can cause a flaw - I am not feeling comfortable with that
15:25 paul_p       druthb = suggestion: there are some invalid translation (ie 4 %s in english, only 3 %s in greek). Maybe pootle is confused by this ?
15:25 slef         kf: true, I only tried to resolve the security concerns.
15:25 mtompset     user-isolating?
15:25 kf           slef: not all libraries installing koha have a sysadmin
15:25 julian_m     oleonard, yes ?
15:25 slef         kf: the security concerns only existed if you installed multiple Koha sites without user-isolating them = your sysadmin cut corners.
15:24 druthb       paul_p: Something is apparently amiss--trying to figure out what.  But when you do that, mysql just *hangs* on a query there, and sends the system into swapping spasms.
15:24 kf           slef: secuirty reasons set aside
15:24 oleonard     julian_m around?
15:24 kf           slef: I think the problem Vitor notedhas not been addressed? looking from the outside this looks like a failed qa for me for this
15:23 drojf        o/\o
15:23 * mtompset   high fives drojf.
15:22 drojf        the poor wall :P
15:22 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality
15:22 mtompset     bug 8840
15:22 drojf        druthb: don't do that
15:22 kf           mtompset: ?
15:22 * druthb     beats her head against the wall, repeatedly.
15:22 mtompset     I figured I should come here to see if kf was having a late night. :)
15:21 mtompset     So, this is only the second time I've been on IRC since in Canada.
15:21 paul_p       druthb strange, I can reach the http://translate.koha-community.org/el/310/, but not the http://translate.koha-community.org/el/310/el-GR-i-opac-t-prog-v-3006000.po/translate/
15:21 mtompset     So, it's been jet lag and a bit of running around for Christmas and red-tape.
15:21 kf           slef: so are the security concerns no longer existing?
15:21 oleonard     I hope the transition went well mtompset
15:21 mtompset     Well, in November my family and I relocated back to Canada.
15:20 drojf        ?
15:20 drojf        mtompset: true. not much koha time for youß
15:20 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, sophie.meynieux, Signed Off , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write
15:20 slef         Changes submitted for bug 1993
15:20 mtompset     Greeting, drojf. Long time no chat. :)
15:20 drojf        hi mtompset
15:19 druthb       :P
15:19 slef         (= I'm OK with it)
15:19 mtompset     Ah... Pootle... right, Queen of Translations. :)
15:18 libsysguy    :p
15:18 libsysguy    geez tcohen its only the first date
15:18 slef         ok, after considering the security concerns, with a signed-off patch, should I set status to Signed Off or Pushed for QA?
15:18 druthb       The server it's on now has 2 GB.  tcohen's box has 4 GB.  It takes a pretty grunty server to run.   mtompset: we're talking about the Pootle server, not a Koha box.
15:18 mtompset     I'd prefer to know how big are your circulation numbers and catalog. :)
15:17 libsysguy    how much mem do you need?
15:17 druthb       Hi, mtompset. :)
15:17 mtompset     Greetings, druthb.
15:17 druthb       Fortunately, the system tcohen built for us has more memory, paul_p.  It should be back up now.
15:16 mtompset     Greetings, #koha.
15:14 druthb       yeah, it's memory-bound.  gonna have to reboot things.  give me a minute or two here.
15:13 druthb       checking
15:13 paul_p       druthb = sorry to bug you, but it's down again...or at least very very very slow...
15:11 jcamins      Sorry, just kidding. One more thing: in the test you should create the patron records that you're modifying. I don't have a patron named "Kyle Hall."
15:10 jcamins      And, finally, you're still passing hashes rather than hashrefs for new(), DelModifications(), and GetModifications().
15:09 jcamins      I also had a comment on the new() routine: the three lines starting with "my $self =" are unnecessary. By blessing $args directly, you eliminate the need to copy member variables.
15:08 khall        no problem!
15:08 jcamins      Thanks.
15:07 khall        cool. I'll get hose fixed up
15:07 jcamins      Yeah, that's unnecessary.
15:06 khall        gotcha. I was trying to make those subs work both statically and dymanically
15:06 jcamins      As the original author, it is your right to dictate the One True Way for retrieving Borrower Modifications in Koha.
15:06 jcamins      It's the latter that troubles me more.
15:05 jcamins      [off] http://kohadev.cpbibliography.com/cover_db/Koha-Borrower-Modifications-pm.html
15:05 jcamins      It's stylistically problematic, but it also makes unit tests difficult.
15:04 khall        ok, I'm still not understanding why it's a problem. What are the ill effects? Or is it just bad style?
15:03 jcamins      The other is OO, where you call the routine $mymodifications->GetModifications()
15:03 jcamins      One is procedural, where you call the routines with Koha::Borrower::Modifications->GetModifications(borrowernumber => $number)
15:02 jcamins      khall: the problem is that it makes for two entirely separate code pathways.
15:01 paul_p       kroditi hello again !!!
15:01 khall        I can fix those. Just for my own education, what is the problem with that idiom?
15:01 * kf         is confused now
15:01 paul_p       kroditi hello !!!
15:00 jcamins      Missed one.
15:00 kroditi      druthb: hi ruth its paul teaching translation to kroditi
15:00 jcamins      Sorry.
15:00 wahanui      320
15:00 jcamins      Oh, and 320.
15:00 jcamins      khall: line 206, 233, and 268 are where I spotted it.
14:59 jcamins      drojf: well, as the current RM I declare we are going to follow the guidelines the community agreed upon.
14:59 drojf        maybe you people should have a fight over it
14:59 drojf        fwiw i got a "QA comment: This patch has one problem that must be solved before being pushed :  the Koha:: namespace must contain OO code only, the Koha/HTML5Media.pm is not OO" once from paul_p
14:58 khall        didn't I get that fixed? Or did I miss something.
14:58 jcamins      The part of the OO code that troubles me is the if (ref($self)) idiom.
14:56 khall        If we get dbix class in, this code could become part of the class file for that table
14:56 * jcamins    thinks the former.
14:56 khall        However, I don't think there is anything wrong with it being OO
14:55 khall        jcamins, that's good to know. I've been shot down on patches in the past *only* because they were not OO. Either my shooter didn't know this, or the rules were changed.
14:55 vfernandes   yes I understand the shell script and where the problem was
14:55 paul_p       druthb yep, it works again. strange
14:55 druthb       oh, I'm sure.  It was locked up hard.  I have restarted apache, and it's chugging along nicely now, for me, paul_p.  Working for you?
14:55 jcamins      khall: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Namespace_QA_Rules ("use Object Oriented (OO) style everywhere it makes sense")
14:54 paul_p       druthb strange, because I can promise that 10mn ago, we waited for a page for more than 2 minuts, and never got any results :(
14:54 wahanui      coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
14:54 jcamins      coding guidelines?
14:54 jcamins      Let me find the guidlines.
14:53 jcamins      Nope. Anything for which OO makes sense should be OO, but if you have procedural data, the code can be procedural.
14:53 slef         vfernandes: can you understand shell script and what the bug was before (the [ command thought the ] was on the end of the argument and not the closing ] delimiter)?
14:53 vfernandes   slef I can't test it, but the bug patch is very simple...
14:52 khall        I was told anything in the Koha namespace had to be OO or it wouldn't be accepted
14:52 jcamins      So I was looking at your unit test (84% statement coverage, BTW, very nice!), and I was wondering why you'd decided to make Koha::Borrower::Modifications OO.
14:51 jcamins      Here we go.
14:50 khall        ok
14:50 jcamins      Let me switch to that branch.
14:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7067 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , allow patron self registration via the opac
14:50 jcamins      I'm looking at bug 7067, and I was hoping you could walk me through some of it.
14:49 druthb       do not tempt me in that fashion, drojf.  Gotta get it moved first.
14:49 khall        indeed, what's up?
14:49 jcamins      khall: around?
14:49 slef         vfernandes: ah, dang, you'd need to have the packages installed already :-/
14:48 drojf        then i wouldn't mind, just burn the old machine :P
14:48 vfernandes   slef: ./koha-run-backups: 58: ./koha-run-backups: koha-list: not found
14:48 druthb       No, it hasn't.
14:48 druthb       I'll restart things again.  Very peculiar.
14:48 drojf        did it move already?
14:47 paul_p       druthb = seems translate.koha-community.org is down again :'(
14:46 drojf        lol
14:46 huginn       slef: The operation succeeded.
14:46 slef         @later tell rangi (1 more message(s) - say "more" to view)
14:46 huginn       drojf: The operation succeeded.
14:46 drojf        @later tell rangi sjohnson says 'hi!'
14:45 huginn       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:45 jcamins      @later tell rangi At this point we're just trying to see if we can leave more than 10k words with huginn for you.
14:45 huginn       04Bug 9262: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patch complexity field user interface is awkward to use
14:45 huginn       slef: The operation succeeded.
14:45 slef         @later tell rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9262
14:45 jcamins      lol
14:45 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9262 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Patch complexity field user interface is awkward to use
14:45 slef         Bug 9262 has been added to the database
14:44 jcamins      The people who don't develop dozens of patches don't actually need to set patch complexity, as far as I'm concerned.
14:44 slef         vfernandes: review it. Only signoff if you agree with it ;-)
14:44 drojf        that may be the point when the release manager's pointy stick comes in
14:44 jcamins      drojf: the people who develop a lot will fill it in because their RM demands it.
14:44 jcamins      drojf: right.
14:43 kf           all ok with that
14:43 drojf        if it is optional, noone is ever going to ask again ;)
14:43 jcamins      kf: yes, that's why I asked that he make it optional.
14:43 kf           not mandatory
14:43 kf           jcamins: the problem was it hast to be optional then
14:43 jcamins      drojf: but I have wasted far more time explaining to people how to set it than I would requesting that people set it.
14:42 jcamins      drojf: people will learn to set it.
14:41 vfernandes   slef you want me to sign off the bug?
14:41 drojf        if it's optional it may be invisible too :P
14:41 huginn       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:41 jcamins      @later tell rangi The patch complexity field on bugs.k-c.org.
14:40 huginn       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
14:40 jcamins      @later tell rangi Could you please make the patch complexity field optional and always visible?
14:40 drojf        slef: another fan of the complexity field i understand
14:39 slef         vfernandes: I'll trade you that for the scheduler if you like
14:39 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9260 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , koha-run-backups complains "[: 97: missing ]"
14:39 slef         Changes submitted for bug 9260
14:38 slef         as in, 1 page up, 1 page right :-/
14:38 slef         bloody miles away from the other dropdown
14:38 slef         aha, so it does
14:37 jcamins      Right under "Sponsored."
14:37 slef         where should complexity appear?
14:37 slef         that doesn't look like it's worked
14:37 jcamins      slef: probably, yes.
14:36 slef         :-(
14:36 slef         guess I have to permit bugs.k-c.o to run javascript
14:36 slef         nope, can't see it
14:36 slef         <drojf> it worked now after restart and ctrl+f5
14:35 kf           it worked now after restart and ctrl+f5 <
14:34 jcamins      vfernandes: yes, they're on the bug.
14:34 wahanui      i think logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
14:34 slef         logs?
14:34 huginn       slef: I've exhausted my database of quotes
14:34 slef         huginn: you suck too
14:34 huginn       slef: [14:30:22] <slef> There is no 'Patch complexity' field!, and [14:29:26] <slef> A value must be set for the 'Patch complexity' field.
14:34 slef         @more
14:34 huginn       slef: [14:33:07] <slef> wahanui: last --regexp /complexity/ --nolimit, [14:33:04] <slef> wahanui: last --regex /complexity/ --nolimit, [14:32:57] <slef> wahanui: last --regex complexity --nolimit, [14:32:24] <kf> complexity was not showing up for him, it's in yesterday's logs somewhere, [14:30:42] <jcamins> slef: change the status to "Needs signoff" but don't save it, then the patch complexity field shows up., (1 more message)
14:34 slef         huginn: last --regexp /complexity/ --nolimit
14:34 slef         wrong bot
14:34 wahanui      slef: excuse me?
14:34 slef         wahanui: you suck
14:34 slef         wahanui: last --regexp /complexity/ --nolimit
14:34 slef         wahanui: last --regex /complexity/ --nolimit
14:34 slef         oops
14:34 slef         wahanui: last --regex complexity --nolimit
14:33 vfernandes   security concerns?
14:33 kf           complexity was not showing up for him, it's in yesterday's logs somewhere
14:33 slef         Grrrrrrr
14:33 kf           it's javascript - drojf had problems too
14:33 kf           self: try refresh f5 or something
14:32 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.10.x build #30: SUCCESS in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.10.x/30/
14:32 * slef       looks at the page source code
14:32 jcamins      I don't know of a better way to explain.
14:32 slef         jcamins: done that. There is no field.
14:32 jcamins      You'll see what I mean.
14:32 jcamins      slef: in the dropdown.
14:32 slef         jcamins: how do I change the status without saving it?
14:32 slef         wahanui++
14:32 jcamins      vfernandes: in that case, you could review the security concerns and try to address them.
14:31 wahanui      jcamins: that doesn't look right
14:31 jcamins      slef: change the status to "Needs signoff" but don't save it, then the patch complexity field shows up.
14:31 slef         There is no 'Patch complexity' field!
14:30 slef         buh
14:30 slef         A value must be set for the 'Patch complexity' field.
14:30 vfernandes   which is exactly that bug
14:29 vfernandes   ok jcamins... but I have a client problem that they want to use schedule task
14:29 jcamins      Here's a list of bugs awaiting sign off: http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=Needs%20Signoff&sharer_id=1
14:28 jcamins      It's been signed off for months, and no one has addressed the security concerns.
14:28 jcamins      I'd recommend against spending time on that patch.
14:27 vfernandes   ok...
14:27 jcamins      That's a git conflict. You'll get those with older patches.
14:26 jcamins      I would recommend focusing on patches that are marked "Need signoff"
14:26 vfernandes   when running "git bz apply 1993"
14:26 vfernandes   Failed to merge in the changes. Patch failed at 0001 Bug 1993: Improving task scheduler When you have resolved this problem run "git am --resolved". If you would prefer to skip this patch, instead run "git am --skip". To restore the original branch and stop patching run "git am --abort". Patch left in /tmp/Signed-Off-Bug-1993-Improving-task-scheduler-5KDy9a.p
14:25 jcamins      No one has addressed the security concerns.
14:25 wahanui      nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though
14:25 jcamins      Nothing.
14:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=1993 enhancement, P3, ---, sophie.meynieux, In Discussion , Task Scheduler Needs Re-write
14:23 vfernandes   what's happening with bug 1993?
14:20 vfernandes   ok thanks
14:19 kf           vfernandes: what I do is create a new branch, confirm the bug, apply patch wit git bz apply, then test, git commit --amend -s and then git bz attach -e
14:18 slef         if so, there's a "git qa" alias on the wiki which may help - uses git-bz which is also linked in the wiki
14:17 vfernandes   yes...
14:17 slef         vfernandes: test the suggested patch, you mean?
14:17 vfernandes   which is the best way to test a bug using git?
14:16 wahanui      coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
14:16 slef         coding guidelines?
14:16 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9260 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , koha-run-backups complains "[: 97: missing ]"
14:16 slef         Bug 9260 has been added to the database
14:13 slef         nope, that's not it
14:12 huginn       slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Error log generated when not a demo system
14:12 slef         huginn: query koha-run-backups
14:12 huginn       slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8849 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Error log generated when not a demo system
14:12 huginn       slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8437 major, P2, ---, jcamins, In Discussion , Plack and database backup
14:12 slef         huginn: query backups
14:12 huginn       slef: No results for "missing ]."
14:12 slef         huginn: query "missing ]"
14:12 huginn       slef: Error: Spurious "]".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
14:12 slef         huginn: query missing ]
14:10 drojf        you know how to make a drojf happy :D
14:09 drojf        lol magnuse
14:06 jcamins      Hehe.
14:06 kf           magnuse: have to keep some of the christmas presents a secret at least
14:06 kf           magnuse: you are spoiling him
14:05 magnuse      maybe i could throw a google group into the mix too :-)
14:04 drojf        aaaw :)
14:02 magnuse      drojf: i can set up a cron job to send you daily (or hourly) mails?
13:58 drojf        kf: but i have hope. christmas is coming, s/he will be out of office again :)
13:55 drojf        kf: yes. i bet s/he has a different mailing list now :'(
13:54 jcamins      khall: around?
13:54 kf           drojf: now you feel neglected?
13:54 jcamins      lol
13:53 drojf        on a sidenote, i miss my daily email from sjohnson.
13:52 jcamins      Agreed.
13:52 drojf        unfair!
13:52 jcamins      I just ran an installation off of master no problem.
13:52 jcamins      drojf: apparently not!
13:52 drojf        you're not the master of master
13:51 jcamins      Okay, so it's something about master.
13:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #30 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:49 jenkins_koha jcamins: job Koha_3.10.x build scheduled now
13:49 jcamins      !jenkins build Koha_3.10.x now
13:47 huginn       jcamins: The operation succeeded.
13:47 jcamins      @later tell rangi I'm getting a permission denied error on jenkins. Any idea why?
13:46 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #973: STILL FAILING in 6.5 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/973/
13:46 jenkins_koha Starting build #973 for job Koha_master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #971 2 days 22 hr ago)
13:46 jenkins_koha jcamins: job Koha_Master build scheduled now
13:46 jcamins      !jenkins build Koha_Master now
13:46 jenkins_koha jcamins: syntax is: 'build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]*'
13:46 jcamins      !jenkins build master now
13:46 jenkins_koha jcamins: syntax is: 'build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]*'
13:46 jcamins      !jenkins build master
13:45 jcamins      Huh?
13:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9019 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , ILS-DI: GetRecords should return item fields in marcxml
13:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9191 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , updatedatabase.pl must have ability to run updates only up to a particular revision
13:44 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 9019: Return item fields in ILS-DI GetRecords
13:44 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 9191 follow-up: remove example updatedatabase stanzas
13:44 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=9056 minor, P5 - low, ---, veron, NEW , Add more translations to table language_descriptions
13:44 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 9191: updatedatabase.pl should only run updates up to the current version
13:44 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 9056: Increment version number
13:44 jenkins_koha * veron: Bug 9056 - Add more translations to table language_descriptions
13:44 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #972: FAILURE in 11 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/972/
13:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #972 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:44 jcamins      Or tab.
13:44 jcamins      Hm. No, that's not quite right. I thought it opened a separate window.
13:43 H            test
13:43 jcamins      H: double click tcohen's name in the nick list on the right. :)
13:43 tcohen       i think we are spamming a lot
13:43 H            no
13:43 tcohen       do u know how to go private on your IRC client?
13:43 tcohen       is it still pulling i386 stuff?
13:42 tcohen       sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade ?
13:42 H            done
13:42 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9019: Return item fields in ILS-DI GetRecords <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f7a1e26a6cb60e9bb2e8985e636503604961674> / Bug 9191 follow-up: remove example updatedatabase stanzas <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1525b297fc80cef5a041f05aa20da54a52534d8> / Bug 9191: updatedatabase.pl should only run updates up to the current version <http://git.koha-commun
13:42 tcohen       sudo apt-get remove libxslt1-dev:i386
13:41 H            dont think it happened
13:41 H            see screenshot
13:39 tcohen       H, did u get it to install properly?
13:32 jcamins      magnuse: yay!
13:32 H            gratz :)
13:32 magnuse      w00t - got search to work on the 3.10 packages!
13:32 H            http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term6.jpg
13:30 tcohen       H: apt-get install libdbd-sqlite2-perl libgraphics-magick-perl libnet-z3950-zoom-perl libxml-libxslt-perl
13:30 H            2 that are required
13:28 H            http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term5.jpg
13:26 nengard      my tired brain ? not me
13:26 nengard      thanks for bearing with me tired brain
13:26 nengard      yup, that's what I'm gonna say
13:26 tcohen       (sitting on the koha sources dir)
13:26 jcamins      nengard: right, there's no way around that that I'm aware of.
13:26 tcohen       ./koha_perl_deps.pl -m -u -c
13:25 H            sorry i need some guidance here lol
13:24 tcohen       jsut in case
13:24 tcohen       and then install by hands the missing bits
13:24 tcohen       i'd rather run the koha_perl_deps.pl script
13:24 nengard      jcamins - okay i understand he says there is no separator punctuation that way - it's just s a space
13:23 H            ill run the command from jcamins ?
13:23 H            no error
13:21 tcohen       put sudo before the dpkg thing
13:21 H            sudo echo "libxslt1-dev:i386 deinstall" | dpkg --set-selections  dpkg: error: operation requires read/write access to dpkg status area
13:20 tcohen       not sure why is still pulling it
13:19 tcohen       echo "libxslt1-dev:i386 deinstall" | dpkg --set-selections
13:19 H            ah do i try or wait ?
13:19 jcamins      sudo apt-get -y install `cat install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages | grep install | sed -e 's/install\$//' | tr -d ' \\t' |  tr '\\n' ' '`
13:19 tcohen       first issue this:
13:18 H            i lost the jcamins command
13:16 H            http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term4.jpg
13:16 nengard      i'll test
13:16 nengard      jcamins i have a report that it's not
13:14 tcohen       if that's true, then you can use jcamins's command to install all the deps
13:13 tcohen       (it shouldnt say it needs i386 dependencies)
13:13 tcohen       run apt-get dselect-upgrade
13:13 H            http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term3.jpg
13:12 jcamins      ExtractValue always concats all the values it matches, doesn't it?
13:12 nengard      if i concat the 650 and group by biblionumber will that work?
13:11 nengard      wait - that doesn't even show subjects :) that's finds specific words - sorry I'm very tired
13:10 pastebot     "tcohen" at 172.16.248.199 pasted "This secquence should revert t" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/309
13:10 nengard      i want to grab all 650s in one column
13:10 nengard      that shows each subject heading once
13:10 nengard      jcamins http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/SQL_Reports_Library#Bibs_with_specific_keyword_in_subjects
13:10 jcamins      There's nothing efficient about accessing MARCXML directly in MySQL, but it'll work.
13:09 H            ok i dont do the  `sudo apt-get remove ${PKG_NAME} ${PKG_NAME}:i386` but i do your code just a sec
13:09 nengard      but i'll take a look again
13:09 nengard      don't think mine was done efficiently
13:09 jcamins      nengard: you wrote it.
13:09 jcamins      nengard: there's an example of a report that does exactly that on the wiki.
13:08 nengard      is there a way in mysql to get all subjects (all 650s) in one column? Some sort of CONCAT I'm sure ? just not sure how specifically
13:08 tcohen       this will remove those i386 pull requests
13:08 tcohen       apt-get dselect-upgrade
13:08 tcohen       and test everything is back to normal
13:08 H            is this afther i removed them ?
13:08 tcohen       dpkg --set-selections < install_list
13:07 tcohen       for i in $(dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f1) ; do echo -e "$i\tinstall" >> install_list ; done
13:07 tcohen       dpkg --clear-selections
13:07 tcohen       dpkg --get-selections '*' > selections
13:07 H            ow ok so i go 1by 1 then :)
13:06 jcamins      Oh good, now I return you to tcohen.
13:06 jcamins      You have to replace ${PKG_NAME} with each package you want to remove.
13:06 tcohen       got it
13:06 jcamins      It didn't do anything.
13:06 H            ok that was faster then 1 by 1
13:05 jcamins      I only ever use packages.
13:05 jcamins      At least, I believe that is how you do it.
13:05 jcamins      (you do this by running `sudo apt-get remove ${PKG_NAME} ${PKG_NAME}:i386`
13:04 jcamins      You'll need to remove all of them.
13:03 jcamins      Looks like you still have a whole bunch of i386 packages installed.
13:02 H            http://mibpaste.com/6JeFHr
13:00 H            ok there we go
13:00 jcamins      Sure, it's worth a try.
13:00 H            i try ?
13:00 tcohen       its similar to the script actually
13:00 tcohen       that would be ok
12:59 jcamins      tcohen: what about just doing sudo apt-get -y install `cat install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages | grep install | sed -e 's/install\$//' | tr -d ' \\t' | tr '\\n' ' '` 2>&1
12:54 H            this one /koha/koha-3.08.07/install_misc/ubuntu-pkg-check.sh
12:53 H            ill do ?
12:53 H            i found ubuntu-pkg-check.sh
12:52 tcohen       thats why mark and i put some effort on that ubuntu-pkg-check.sh script
12:51 tcohen       because of that --set-selections step
12:51 tcohen       the install instructions for ubuntu are broken a while ago
12:51 tcohen       jcamins, true
12:50 tcohen       H grab the ubuntu-pkg-check.sh file from the patch for 8840, it will print a copy and paste list of packages to tell apt-get to install
12:50 jcamins      (apparently... I didn't know that before now)
12:49 jcamins      tcohen: it is only the tarball that doesn't work with Ubuntu.
12:49 jcamins      tcohen: Ubuntu is fully-supported with packages.
12:49 H            i'm taking notes so next time i maybe do it with less problems
12:48 H            :)
12:48 H            still here
12:48 tcohen       H, i'm still testing
12:48 tcohen       we need to fully support Ubuntu then, because its really widespread
12:42 jcamins      Fewer moving parts.
12:41 jcamins      This is why I always tell people to use the packages.
12:40 H            thx and sorry for the trouble
12:40 * jcamins    will let tcohen take over, since he's willing to spend a lot more time testing this sort of thing.
12:39 H            i'm not going annywhere
12:39 tcohen       to test first
12:39 tcohen       im breaking my box
12:39 tcohen       wait a minute
12:38 H            it did not gave errors :)
12:38 H            how do i know its ok
12:38 H            ehm i did run the script
12:38 tcohen       i need to break my box like you to test
12:37 tcohen       so it stops pulling i386 deps?
12:37 tcohen       dpkg --set-selections < deinstall_list
12:37 jcamins      Ooh, tcohen's script will do it even faster.
12:37 jcamins      `sudo apt-get remove libxml2-dev`
12:37 tcohen       for i in $(dpkg --get-selections | grep i386 | cut -f1) ; do echo -e "$i\tdeinstall" >> deinstall_list ; done
12:37 H            i started with 10 so :)
12:36 H            only have 4 not working dependensies left
12:36 H            how do i do that ?
12:36 H            then i tried cpan
12:36 jcamins      Right, so I'd start by removing libxml2-dev
12:36 H            first with sudo apt-get install lib...-...-perl
12:35 H            i then tried to install the dependecies that did not work
12:35 jcamins      Yeah, that doesn't work.
12:35 H            that was 2)
12:35 H            1) i did do    $ sudo apt-get install dselect    $ sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.12.04.packages    $ sudo dselect
12:34 jcamins      H: I promise you, we can get Koha working with packages.
12:34 tcohen       H, let me think for a minute
12:33 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality
12:33 tcohen       it was intended, in conjunction with bug 8840
12:33 jcamins      H: did you add an apt line?
12:33 H            the instructions did not work so
12:32 jcamins      H: use the packages rather than the tarball.
12:32 jcamins      tcohen: didn't we update the instructions to say to not do that?
12:32 H            what can i do ?
12:32 tcohen       that's the problem
12:32 H            yes
12:32 tcohen       did u use dpkg --set-selections < something?
12:31 H            Linux koha-pr 3.2.0-24-virtual #39-Ubuntu SMP Mon May 21 18:44:18 UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
12:31 wajasu       :)
12:31 tcohen       uname -a
12:31 H            checking
12:31 tcohen       (is it an amd64 box?)
12:30 tcohen       dpkg --get-selections | grep i386
12:30 jcamins      wajasu: told you it would go a lot better if you wrote a script intended to do that.
12:30 jcamins      What I'd do is set up an apt line adding the oldstable repo then `sudo apt-get remove libxml2-dev; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install koha`
12:30 wajasu       ok. got my script somewhat working that generates auth records.  the modbiblio works fine, adding my $9 links.  after zebra rebuild of biblios and auths i'm seeing consolidated bibs under the same heading now.
12:29 tcohen       it sounds familiar... some1 pulling i386 packages on a amd64 box because of --set-selections maybe?
12:28 jcamins      H: I only see a log from trying to install libxml2-dev.
12:26 H            with packages i get http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term2.jpg
12:19 jcamins_away H: yes, use packages.
12:15 H            annyone knows how to solve this http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/term.jpg
12:03 H            ill keep searching ... :OP
12:02 kf           maybe someone else has an idea
12:02 kf           not sure then
12:02 kf           ah ok :)
12:02 H            welll on my pc at home it works also lol :)
12:02 kf           i have never done it that way, i  normally go by the wiki instructions
12:01 H            this one again echo deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list
12:01 wahanui      it has been said that this one is cool as long as someone *wants* acknowledgement
12:01 H            this one
12:01 H            $ echo deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze main | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/koha.list
12:00 kf           and did it give you an error?
12:00 kf           the repositor
12:00 H            i did do that
12:00 H            but now he wont move i tried cpan also but also no good
12:00 kf           you have to add it to your sources list first
11:59 H            just a koha library no development .... sudo apt-get install koha-common does not work on my virtual machine so i wen t for the installation procedure in the txtfile (i've installed my test machine 6 months ago 3.8.1 this way)
11:57 kf           you can install all dependencies very easily using the packages
11:57 wahanui      i think packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
11:57 kf           packages?
11:57 kf           H: have you seen the packages?
11:56 kf           H: what is your goal? do you want to do development or just see how koha works?
11:56 H            ubuntu 12.04 lts virtual machine i try 3.8.07
11:30 kf           H: which version are you trying to install on which OS?
11:27 gerundio     I was able to install that lib on my server with that exact same command
11:27 gerundio     H, the command you used was 'apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl'?
11:26 wahanui      second question is "What is the exact error message?"
11:26 slef         second question?
11:26 slef         H: what happened then you tried aptitude or apt-get?
11:07 H            i'm fighting with koha here Net::Z3950::ZOOM XML::LibXSLT are missing i tried aptitude search lib...-...-perl sudo apt-get install lib...-...-perl anny more tips here (i work on a virtual server)
10:14 vfernandes   bom dia :)
10:14 gerundio     hey vfernandes, bom dia
10:13 vfernandes   hi :)
09:56 gerundio     any idea on how to fix it?
09:56 gerundio     I'm getting this warning "zebraidx(23223) [warn] Missing attribute 'type' in attribute info"
09:18 huginn       drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -0.2°C (10:13 AM CET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
09:18 drojf        @wunder berlin, germany
09:09 drojf        kf: i am thinking of having a package of koha3.x.x + bug_12345. to apply the patch i have to put something there.
08:51 kf           it was said that the new updatedatabase mechanism will solve that... but I haven't looked at it yet
08:51 kf           I wouldn't mess with version numbers
08:51 kf           there are probably examples in atomicsomething
08:51 kf           drojf: maybe just do an executable sql file?
08:34 drojf        is there a common practice for locally numbering the db revision if i add a patch that has not been pushed yet to a local package? the XXX irritates the perl tests. would i just take the next number? if i deployed such a package and later upgraded, would everything explode because there is going to be another db revision with the same number?
08:29 drojf        moin kf
08:29 kf           hi drojf and clrh
08:29 drojf        bonjour clrh
08:26 wahanui      hey, clrh
08:26 clrh         hello
08:24 drojf        \o/ sjohnson \o/
08:24 drojf        good morning #koha
08:13 gaetan_B     hello
07:52 julian_m     hello
07:43 wahanui      somebody said git was http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
07:43 cait         git?
07:42 magnuse      oops, looks like someone at bywater have a server to kick
07:39 wahanui      hey, reiveune
07:39 reiveune     hello
07:32 magnuse      alex_a: yeah, not much of a difference!
07:32 magnuse      ooh, height of summer...
07:31 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady).
07:31 rangi        @wunder nzwn
07:31 alex_a       :)
07:31 alex_a       The difference is just -
07:30 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -4.0°C (8:20 AM CET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Light Snow Showers. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:30 magnuse      @wunder boo
07:30 huginn       magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 4.0°C (8:00 AM CET on December 11, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
07:30 magnuse      @wunder marseille
07:30 magnuse      bonjoiur alex_a
07:28 rangi        heya alex_a
07:27 cait         hi alex_a :)
07:27 alex_a       bonjour magnuse cait and rangi !
07:27 alex_a       bonjour
06:41 magnuse      hehe
06:41 cait         :)
06:41 cait         I was laughing at the motd
06:41 magnuse      cait: you're starting the day with a lol? yay!
06:41 * magnuse    waves
06:30 cait         um evening
06:30 cait         morning rangi :)
06:29 rangi        hi cait
06:28 cait         morning #koha
06:27 cait         lol
06:22 rangi        yep, and it will support UNIMARC, NORMARC and MARC21, depending on what they have set they systempreference to
06:21 reeset       so I wasn't sure
06:21 reeset       That's kind of how I read it, but it doesn't actually say it supports it in the documentation.
06:20 rangi        actually it looks like new_bib will ignore itemdata unless you set the items param
06:20 reeset       I'll see if Galen can update the test instance he's setup for me to work with and check the behavior
06:19 reeset       Ok -- I'm hoping that's the case
06:19 reeset       I figured that might be the case -- I was just hoping I was missing an API call to get version since presumably, as api are added, you'll need specific versions to support them
06:19 rangi        probably do that by default, if you record has 952 data
06:18 rangi        we do 6 monthly feature releases, and monthly bugfix releases, but people pretty much upgrade whenever they want, some always run the latest releases, lots don't
06:18 reeset       Does the new record api support the item bit setting for adding items or will it do that by default?
06:15 reeset       Ok -- that's somewhat problematic -- but I'll figure out how to try and deal with this without confusing folks.
06:15 rangi        nope, some people are still running 2.2.x versions from 2004ish
06:14 rangi        3.6.x is still supported
06:14 reeset       So then do most people update right away -- because some API functions only work with 3.8.
06:14 rangi        but no there is no api method that will return the versionnumber
06:13 rangi        3.8.8 will be out on the 22nd of december, 3.8.0 was out in april
06:00 reeset       I'm also curious of this is just supported on the update record API.  I can see folks wanting to add items when creating new records as well -- but the documentation doesn't say if the ?item=1 bit is supported or necessary for that purpose and I can't test it.
05:59 reeset       Especially since the testing instance Galen had setup for me was using 3.06.08.000 -- so I can't even test the ?item=1 bit on the api.
05:59 reeset       but the api seems to indicate that this only works in 3.8 and I'm not sure how quickly people move their versions forward.
05:58 reeset       I've been chatting with Galen and a few folks playing with the MarcEdit work I've been doing and they want the ability to edit item data...
05:58 reeset       I'm curious -- is there an API method that will return the koha version number?
01:05 dcook        Well, time to call it a day. Thanks again for the info and test, jcamins
00:48 jcamins      We have non-USian films on DVD.
00:47 dcook        I suppose that's the downside, but optical media seem so passé at this point, despite certain...vulnerabilities they might have
00:46 wizzyrea     and get a drm free copy
00:46 wizzyrea     because you can still rip blu rays
00:46 wizzyrea     of course that would really suck
00:46 wizzyrea     i would find it infinitely amusing if we went to strictly digital distribution
00:46 dcook        Can't say that I have any myself or know anyone that does
00:45 dcook        Haha. No kidding
00:44 jcamins      See how much it occurs in my world? ;)
00:44 jcamins      dcook: right, whatever it's called.
00:44 dcook        Blue ray as in Blu-ray? I certainly wouldn't disagree..
00:43 dcook        Sweet. Thanks, jcamins
00:42 jcamins      Okay... am I wrong to think that Blue ray is entirely unnecessary at this juncture?
00:41 jcamins      Done.
00:40 jcamins      Good idea.
00:39 dcook        I might be a bit OCD, but I imagine someone else might have the same question eventually
00:38 dcook        I just requested a wiki account, but could you add a bit at the bottom about how other languages will still be indexed correctly despite the customizations for Arabic?
00:36 dcook        Cool :)
00:32 jcamins      Fixed.
00:31 jcamins      The point of confusion was the addition of the "UseICU" syspref, which does not enable ICU, but was added for 3.8.
00:31 dcook        *thumbs up*
00:31 dcook        Ahh
00:31 jcamins      That's what I'm changing.
00:31 dcook        But one would still need to change from the .chr file to the .xml file somehow..
00:31 jcamins      Right.
00:30 dcook        Mind you, that might be because there was a change to use a variable set by Makefile, I think...
00:30 dcook        There's no mention in 3.8+
00:30 dcook        Oh no, it's just the part about modifying default.idx is only under 3.6 and under
00:29 jcamins      -ish.
00:29 jcamins      I'll be done soon.
00:29 jcamins      Sorry.
00:29 jcamins      dcook: you mean because I'm presently editing it?
00:28 dcook        Hmm, the layout isn't quite right on that page..
00:26 dcook        By all means. It would be worth adding a mention that setting a locale still allows one to index other languages properly. I would say it's easy to test, but only if one has records in multiple languages and has knowledge of those multiple languages.
00:25 jcamins      I should update that.
00:25 jcamins      drojf: no.
00:24 jcamins      I think there is a way to map a prefix to nil. That'd be convenient.
00:24 drojf        you only need to turn the syspref on for 3.8?
00:24 jcamins      Oh, I already said that.
00:24 jcamins      Hm.
00:24 jcamins      Hm.
00:22 jcamins      Oh, wow, nice page!
00:22 jcamins      That's the one.
00:22 dcook        I didn't notice this before either: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Correcting_Search_of_Arabic_records
00:21 dcook        http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.education.libraries.koha.devel/8833
00:21 dcook        Mhm
00:21 jcamins      Yeah, that's the one I meant. It's in e-mail an e-mail somewhere.
00:21 jcamins      And Zebra doesn't do stemming for Arabic no way, no how.
00:21 dcook        Karam Qubsi mentioned something about prefixes and suffixes
00:21 jcamins      There's an icu chains file for handling al- (why did I disable the Arabic keyboard? It makes it difficult to type in Arabic).
00:20 jcamins      Which issues?
00:19 dcook        I'll have to remember to report back on how it turns out.
00:19 dcook        I'll have to do my test later on. I think there might still be some issues with Arabic that ICU doesn't solve without some customizations, but...that's another story
00:19 dcook        Hehe. I love easy answers
00:18 jcamins      I love easy questions.
00:18 jcamins      You're welcome.
00:18 dcook        jcamins++
00:18 dcook        Thanks for looking to that, jcamins
00:18 dcook        Sweet!
00:17 jcamins      So I think you should be fine with any locale at all. :)
00:17 jcamins      And, yes, searching for Hebrew works great.
00:17 jcamins      I'm sorry, my locale is ""
00:16 drojf        rangi: i guess it would have worked, thanks. now i apparently have no space left on device and rather go to bed :/
00:16 dcook        Excellent. Thanks, jcamins :)
00:16 jcamins      One moment...
00:15 jcamins      I'll just confirm that it's still working on Master.
00:15 jcamins      Yup. :)
00:15 dcook        Intriguing
00:15 dcook        Yeah?
00:15 jcamins      I search Hebrew records with a locale of fr.
00:15 jcamins      To be honest, me too.
00:14 dcook        I'm confused by the purpose of the locale attribute then though
00:14 dcook        Glad to hear it :)
00:13 jcamins      In that case, I don't think you'll run into problems.
00:12 dcook        It's only about 10,000 bibs
00:12 jcamins      If >500k, you might need the very latest version of Zebra.
00:11 jcamins      How many records?
00:11 jcamins      Nope. No problems at all that I know of.
00:11 dcook        Since it's a multilingual library
00:10 dcook        I figure it should work fine using an icu_chain locale of "ar", but I wonder if that will cause problems with the English and French records
00:10 jcamins      Go for it!
00:10 dcook        jcamins: Yep. Have thought about moving a library over to using ICU so that the Arabic is indexed properly
00:09 jcamins      dcook: questions about ICU?