IRC log for #koha, 2012-10-23

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00:42 YoungPublicLibrarian Hello everyone. Anyone on that might be able to tell me what field I would need to use to get a query to output the "for Librarians" notes on patrons' accounts?
00:43 eythian http://schema.koha-community.o[…]es/borrowers.html <-- YoungPublicLibrarian
00:43 eythian specifically, borrowernotes
00:43 eythian "a note on the patron/borroewr's account that is only visible in the staff client"
00:44 YoungPublicLibrarian That only gives the notes in the Circ or OPAC fields. But not the messages entered through the "Add New Message" link
00:44 eythian ah, then I'm not sure, but you may be able to poke around the schema page to find it
00:46 YoungPublicLibrarian I found the messages.message field. But it only returns "for Patron" notes entered. Can't find any fields that specify "for Librarians" notes...
00:48 YoungPublicLibrarian I was actually rather surprised. I really thought I had it dead to rights when I found the messages.message field and got the report working properly
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02:38 jcamins Oh my.
02:38 jcamins mtompset has been gone a week, and they're redoing the migration?
02:39 eythian is it the same people?
02:39 jcamins SIL Phillipines.
02:39 eythian Where'd mtompset go?
02:39 jcamins Back home to Canada.
02:39 eythian because he finished?
02:39 rangi hmm?
02:39 jcamins Right.
02:39 jcamins On the list.
02:39 rangi mailing list?
02:39 wahanui hmmm... mailing list is at[…]ha-mailing-lists/
02:39 jcamins Yeah.
02:40 rangi wow
02:41 eythian By finished, I mean completed.
02:41 jcamins Right.
02:41 jcamins That's what I understood you to mean.
02:41 eythian So, why would they be doing that?
02:41 jcamins Well, not my problem.
02:41 eythian true
02:41 * jcamins can't imagine.
02:41 jcamins My problem today was upgrading my clients' servers.
02:41 jcamins It was glorious.
02:42 eythian sounds ... fun?
02:42 jcamins Other than reindexing 400k records, it took 1 hour.
02:42 jcamins Counting the package build.
02:42 eythian ah, nice
02:42 eythian oh yeah, that's going to be my problem today too.
02:42 jcamins Reindexing 400k records took a long time.
02:42 eythian I've gotten a little behind on package stuff, so I'm going to catch up today (and did some of that on Friday)
02:43 eythian It would, yeah
02:43 jcamins Actually, that's not right.
02:43 jcamins 400k bibs.
02:43 jcamins ... 600k auths?
02:43 eythian that's a lot
02:43 jcamins Yeah, one authority for every single heading.
02:43 jcamins Don't ask. It's tragic.
02:43 eythian heh
02:44 jcamins However, I'm done, so it's time for bed.
02:44 jcamins Good night.
02:44 eythian later jcamins_away
02:44 eythian wahanui: Newfoundland is the "Untitled Document" of place names.
02:44 wahanui ...but newfoundland is the Untitled Document of place names....
02:44 eythian oh
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03:15 eythian gmcharlt: you happen to be around?
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03:19 vera Hi all, I've got a quick question. I've used the tarball option in the past to successfully install koha - its up and running, and its great. Now I see that there is a Ubuntu packages method - can I switch to the packages method of updating, or would I need to freshly install koha using the packages method in order to update koha with packages.
03:19 eythian wahanui: listen is http://animalstalkinginallcaps[…]ng-me-for-fission
03:19 wahanui OK, eythian.
03:19 eythian Well, if you undo the stuff you did for the tarball, you can install the packages, and migrate your data over.
03:20 eythian The closer you get to a fresh install, things will be easier though
03:20 vera I suspected so.. I will do that in the future at some point. Thanks.
03:23 vera By the way, the tarball will still be alright to use in the future - there is no need to change is there?
03:23 eythian No, the tarball won't go anywhere.
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04:59 * Oak_ waves
05:00 eythian @later tell gmcharlt I'd like a git repo on to put the perl package dependencies in.
05:00 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
05:00 eythian @later tell gmcharlt also a pony, if you don't mind :)
05:00 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
05:18 eythian @later tell rangi C4::HoldsQueue causes a failed test on master due to database.
05:18 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
05:18 rangi There's a patch for that already
05:19 rangi We just need Paul to push it
05:19 eythian ah right
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06:00 eythian new packages deployed. share and enjoy.
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06:08 reiveune hello
06:08 cait hi reiveune :)
06:08 reiveune bonjour cait :)
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06:35 magnuse kia ora #koha!
06:36 magnuse eythian++
06:39 magnuse hm, why am i not seeing po files for nb-NO 3.10? fredericd?
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06:44 francharb Hello #koha
06:44 magnuse bonjour francharb
06:49 francharb hellø magnuse ! ;)
06:49 magnuse hellæøå!
06:50 francharb haha
06:50 francharb :)
06:51 magnuse :-)
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06:55 julian_m hello
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07:00 alex_a bonjour
07:00 wahanui hi, alex_a
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07:03 lds hello
07:03 wahanui hi, lds
07:07 magnuse heh, o'reilly is doing a "bad data handbook" - i wonder if there is a chapter on MARC...
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07:15 Joubu hello #koha
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07:24 drojf lol magnuse
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07:31 magnuse kia ora Joubu drojf paul_p julian_m sophie_m et al
07:31 sophie_m hello magnuse
07:32 magnuse @wunder marseille
07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 17.0°C (9:00 AM CEST on October 23, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
07:32 magnuse @wunder boo
07:32 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (9:20 AM CEST on October 23, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
07:32 magnuse hmm...
07:35 * drojf wanders off
07:35 paul_p good morning #koha
07:36 magnuse hiya paul_p and congrats on the string freeze :-)
07:37 paul_p magnuse well, that's quite easy to declare a string freeze. I've no merit. What i'd like is to have a 0-bug 3.10 release !
07:37 huginn Bug[…]show_bug.cgi?id=3 normal, P2, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, mod_env module checking in
07:37 paul_p hey, huginn thought I wanted to see the bug three :D
07:37 magnuse well, that one is fixed at least :-)
07:38 magnuse maybe we should have a "global let's test the c**p out of master day" or something?
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07:49 * Oak waves
07:49 Oak magnuse
07:50 magnuse Oak
07:50 magnuse :-)
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07:51 kf good morning #koha
07:51 magnuse welcome back kf
07:51 kf thx :)
07:52 kf only for a day tho
07:54 magnuse holiday?
07:55 kf yep 3 weeks :)
07:56 magnuse ooh, lucky you!
07:56 magnuse well deserved, of course
07:57 magnuse kf: what do you think of a global "let's test the c**p out of master day" or something?
07:57 magnuse or week for that matter
08:02 kf magnuse: I think a great idea
08:02 kf brb
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10:41 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software The next general meeting is 7 November 2012 2:00 UTC
10:41 gerundio magnuse, I still haven't added any records so no reindex needed :D
10:41 gerundio but thanks for the heads up
10:42 magnuse gerundio: yay! :-)
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10:51 * kf waves
11:02 kf oleonard?
11:02 wahanui i heard oleonard was still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer
11:02 * kf wishes
11:05 jcamins gerundio: what changes were made to record.abs?
11:06 gerundio hmm, let me see and get back to you on that one
11:06 * jcamins doesn't know UNIMARC, but knows a fair amount about Zebra.
11:08 pastebot "gerundio" at pasted "record.abs changes" (124 lines) at
11:08 gerundio jcamins, lots of changes... take a look and tell what you make of them :D
11:10 jcamins All whitespace changes.
11:11 jcamins Could you redo that diff with -b?
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11:14 jcamins fredericd++
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11:40 jcamins Today's the day!
11:41 drojf what day?
11:41 wahanui day is over, and the passed QA list is empty. Bye bye #koha !
11:41 drojf search rewrite done?
11:42 jcamins drojf: no, my last release as RMaint.
11:44 drojf the internet says the equivalent to the german phrase that comes to mind is "out of the frying pan into the fire"
11:44 jcamins Yup.
11:45 jcamins That is a very appropriate phrase.
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12:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #63 for job Koha_3.6.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #58 1 mo 9 days ago)
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12:46 oleonard Hi #koha
12:48 tcohen hi oleonard
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12:54 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.6.x build #63: STILL UNSTABLE in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.6.x/63/
12:54 jenkins_koha * f.demians: 3.6.10 Translation Update
12:54 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Add release notes for Koha 3.6.10
12:54 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bump version number for 3.6.10 release
12:54 magnuse jcamins++
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13:00 tcohen git rebase -i origin/master
13:00 tcohen oops
13:00 magnuse :-)
13:00 * tcohen forgot his lenses, has focus problems :-P
13:01 * jcamins has the other kind of focus problem.
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13:06 jcamins Guess I need to e-mail the list and announce that 3.6 has been orphaned.
13:10 oleonard ...the poor little princess...
13:12 pastebot "gerundio" at pasted "record.abs diff -b changes" (72 lines) at
13:13 gerundio jcamins, back and here's the diff -b you asked for earlier
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13:13 jcamins Which is the one that was modified?
13:14 jcamins First one is the changed one?
13:14 jcamins Wow.
13:14 gerundio 1st one is the change one and 2nd is original
13:14 gerundio before you say anything, let me tell you I don't know what those changes are about
13:14 jcamins That's... different.
13:15 gerundio these were done by a colleague of mine
13:15 gerundio who's been providing IT support to our faculty library for a long time now
13:15 jcamins He removed a lot of indexes.
13:15 gerundio does it make any sense?
13:16 jcamins It makes sense insofar as the syntax is correct.
13:16 jcamins In terms of functionality...
13:16 jcamins I think you may have shown me the most absurd Zebra configuration changes I have ever seen.
13:16 jcamins You'll need the 090 change.
13:17 jcamins Other than that, you'll need to ask him what on earth he was thinking.
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13:21 gerundio jcamins, that's not nice
13:21 gerundio my knowledge on this is very limited
13:22 gerundio it seems like I'll have to dig deeper into it and try to make sense of it
13:22 jcamins gerundio: I can explain what each change does.
13:22 jcamins I can't explain why anyone would make such a change, though.
13:22 jcamins And that's really the important question.
13:22 gerundio lololol
13:23 jcamins I'm not a UNIMARC expert, but it looks to me like he eliminated all thd indexes on coded fields.
13:23 gerundio I don't think the person who did it can explain it either
13:23 jcamins *the
13:24 jcamins Just to confirm... all your data is already in Koha, right?
13:24 gerundio no
13:24 gerundio I haven't imported any records yet
13:24 jcamins In that case, throw out all the changes.
13:25 gerundio I think that will be the last thing to do
13:25 jcamins Where is the data coming from?
13:25 gerundio that might be a problem, not a technical one, but a working relationship one :)
13:25 jcamins Hehe.
13:25 jcamins I mean, in terms of software.
13:26 jcamins Another ILS?
13:26 gerundio does this explanation sound reasonable?? "I don't know what this does, but we're not going to use because jcamins said not to!!"
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13:26 * jcamins thinks it does. :P
13:26 jcamins The 090 changes where the biblionumber is indexed.
13:27 jcamins This usually causes problems.
13:27 jcamins It's necessary if you already have the data in Koha with the biblionumber in 090$a, but it sounds like you don't.
13:28 gerundio jcamins, yes, we're migrating from DocBase
13:28 jcamins The other lines remove indexes on 071, 072, 100 (I know this is very bad!), 102, 105, 110, 115, 116, 208, 207, 230, 461, 464, and 995$k.
13:29 jcamins From my point of view, this is crippling the good part of UNIMARC: the coded data.
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13:38 jcamins I'm sure the person who made the changes must have had a reason.
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13:40 gerundio ok ok
13:41 gerundio my colleague already did this a data migration on its own koha installation
13:41 jcamins (note: I disagree strenuously with those reasons, whatever they might be, but it'd be useful for you to know)
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13:41 gerundio now I've picked up the process to make sure that the koha setup is done by the book with no unecessary changes
13:42 gerundio I knew it wasn't going to be easy :)
13:42 gerundio thanks for your input on this
13:43 gerundio I'll try some social engineering with him now, to see if I can get to know those reasons you disagree with xD
13:46 gerundio btw, do these changes might have anything to do with changes on the NoZebraIndexes value?
13:46 jcamins Ah-ha.
13:47 jcamins Yes, he was probably trying to make it work exactly the way NoZebra did.
13:47 jcamins However, that's a bad idea, because NoZebra doesn't work.
13:49 tcohen jcamins, how will the removal of nozebra stuff affect the work to integrate solr?
13:50 jcamins tcohen: it wont'.
13:50 jcamins *won't
13:50 tcohen are they unrelated ?
13:50 tcohen ok
13:50 tcohen unrelated at fs level
13:51 jcamins Yeah, the NoZebra code is in C4::Search, and the Solr stuff is separate.
13:51 tcohen eythian: i've attached a followup for bug 8773
13:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
13:51 jcamins I am rewriting C4::Search, gradually, and making it more like the Solr code.
13:52 tcohen so, you're the guy that will remove nozebra
13:52 jcamins That's me.
13:53 * oleonard cheers jcamins
14:00 gerundio hmm, interesting
14:00 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
14:00 gerundio lolol
14:00 gerundio caught me on that one
14:01 gerundio jcamins, I saw some mentions on Apache Solr before and as I was seeing you talking about it
14:01 jcamins gerundio: yeah, it's not ready for production.
14:01 gerundio how does it stand now as a Zebra alternative?
14:02 jcamins It's not.
14:02 gerundio ok, I guess that answers the question :D
14:02 gerundio I read what you said about the NoZebra... can you explain a lit bit more what that field is supposed to do?
14:03 jcamins It doesn't do anything now.
14:03 jcamins It used to be an alternative to Zebra that used only MySQL.
14:03 jcamins But that was a while ago.
14:03 gerundio and basically the NoZebraIndexes were just used if the option NoZebra was set to "Don't use"?
14:03 jcamins Right.
14:04 gerundio hmm, one less problem then
14:04 gerundio because he changed that too and I wasn't sure what that was supposed to do :)
14:05 jcamins It was supposed to set what indexes Koha used in NoZebra mode.
14:06 gerundio now I understand
14:06 gerundio basically koha had its own search engine built around MySQL
14:06 jcamins Right.
14:07 gerundio from what I could tell during the setup process zebra is now a mandatory requirement, right?
14:07 jcamins Yes.
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14:16 tcohen fredericd, could u take a look at this and tell me the correct workflow?
14:16 tcohen http://translate.koha-communit[…]ate/?unit=3774172
14:16 tcohen should I just prepend the acquisitions.pref#BasketConfirmations# part?
14:22 tcohen anyone from the translation team? or with some expertise on the subject?
14:31 libsysguy question: for a package install should I still have to export perl5lib and koha_conf?
14:31 jcamins libsysguy: yes, koha-shell hasn't gotten in yet.
14:33 libsysguy gotcha
14:34 libsysguy jcamins do you know the path to those off the top of your head
14:34 libsysguy if not I'll go look at that patch heh
14:35 libsysguy beat you to it
14:40 kf drojf: around?
14:41 drojf kf: somewhat. not really
14:41 drojf why?
14:42 kf pm
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14:54 fredericd tcohen: This is a valid translation: http://translate.koha-communit[…]ate/?unit=3819440
14:55 tcohen thanks, bgkriegel explained to me that prefs are translated in a different way
14:55 tcohen i've just fixed my mis-translations
14:55 tcohen thanks
15:08 jcamins "One further note about 3.6.10: this upgrade included fixes for several cross-site scripting (XSS) vulnerabilities in Koha that have been present at least since 3.4. ALL USERS OF KOHA SHOULD UPGRADE TO THE LATEST RELEASE ON THE BRANCH THEY ARE FOLLOWING TO RECEIVE PROTECTION FROM THESE THREATS.
15:08 jcamins ^^ is that clear?
15:16 kf scary
15:17 kf clear
15:17 * jcamins is thinking of sending a separate e-mail with the subject "Security vulnerability disclosure" with the same message.
15:18 drojf not scary enough
15:19 drojf "never touch a running livecd"
15:19 jcamins Good point.
15:20 jcamins Guess an e-mail to Vimal Kumar is needed.
15:20 * jcamins sighs
15:20 jcamins Grr.
15:20 jcamins I hate livecds.
15:21 drojf i think he is travelling
15:21 drojf until… tomorrow?
15:21 drojf i plan to spread more annoyance in the livecd thread when he is back ;)
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15:22 jcamins Hehe.
15:29 kf :)
15:29 kf magnuse: around?
15:30 drojf Facebook -> Buch. i should keep that translation
15:30 drojf or make it gesichtsbuch
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15:38 kf drojf: hmmm I am nt sure
15:39 drojf "relevance asc". who would sort something by "give me the least relevant first, please"?
15:39 kf maybe more grimassenbuch?
15:39 drojf lol
15:39 Joubu bye ++
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15:49 vfernandes Hi guys... I having a problem searching for authorities
15:49 vfernandes Can't call method "data" on an undefined value at /opt/koha/lib/C4/ line 310
15:50 vfernandes a have a test server and a production server
15:50 jcamins What version of Koha?
15:51 vfernandes in the test server everything is fine... in the production server not
15:51 vfernandes 3.2... but I think it's a zebra problem
15:51 jcamins You can try reindexing.
15:51 jcamins 3.2 is too old for me to offer any help beyond that suggestion.
15:52 vfernandes 3.2 is not the problem because the problem will appear also in the test server
15:53 jcamins What version is the test server running?
15:53 vfernandes the same
15:53 jcamins Right, I'm not saying the problem is 3.2.
15:54 jcamins I'm saying I can't help you troubleshoot.
15:54 jcamins Beyond general advice like "figure out what changed."
15:54 jcamins Also, so you know, I'm pretty sure 3.2 has several XSS vulnerabilities.
15:54 vfernandes reindex worked...
15:55 vfernandes wasn't reindex... stop and start zebra then reindex solved
15:56 jcamins Good.
15:58 * drojf mumbles "not scary enough" …
15:59 drojf not that i know anything about that but there must be some translation platform more sophisticated than pootle?!
16:00 drojf translators should not have to spend their time shifting '%s' around
16:01 jcamins drojf: maybe poedit is better?
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16:04 drojf will that work with multiple translators? i think you have to download and reupload the po files which may lead to problems since there are several german translators
16:05 jcamins Probably not.
16:06 drojf or we have to work in shifts
16:27 kf poedit is the same for %s
16:27 kf and working in shifts... scary :)
16:29 Oak time to go home kf
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16:30 skk can someone tell me if i add */1 * * * *  $KOHA_CRON_PATH/../migrati​on_tools/ -b -a -r >/dev/null in crontab will it have any effect in koha functioning
16:32 jcamins skk: it will, yes.
16:32 jcamins It will crash your server if you have more than ~100 records.
16:32 skk oh
16:33 skk i have not been able to configure zebra on livecd
16:33 jcamins What are you trying to do?
16:33 skk with latest koha
16:33 jcamins Well, with an older version of Koha that has serious security vulnerabilities.
16:33 skk and when i try to check for records in opac koha zebra gives error as DBD::mysql::st fetchrow_hashref failed: fetch() without execute() at /home/koha/bin/ line 125. DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Table 'koha.zebraqueue' doesn't exist at /home/koha/bin/ line 124.
16:34 skk do u knw what could be solution for this error
16:34 * oleonard starts mumbling in tune with drojf
16:34 jcamins Yes.
16:34 jcamins Don't use the livecd.
16:34 jcamins You should not be using zebraqueue_daemon.
16:34 jcamins It has been deprecated for two years.
16:34 skk then what could be used instead of zebraqueue_daemon
16:35 jcamins -b -a -z
16:35 jcamins And it should be every 5 minutes, not every one minute.
16:35 skk what is alternative for zebraque_daemon then
16:35 jcamins I just told you.
16:36 jcamins (your question earlier used -r instead of -z, which causes rebuild_zebra to rebuild the entire index from scratch every time it's run; with -z, it will only update changed records)
16:36 jcamins If you change it to */5 from */1 and -z from -r, that line you listed above will work.
16:37 skk ok i wanted to knw about "should not be using zebraqueue_daemon" part
16:37 jcamins Using -r (which is what I thought the question was about when you asked) will definitely cause your system to crash.
16:37 jcamins You should be using
16:37 jcamins They are alternatives.
16:38 skk so no need to start zebra and zebraqueue while machine reboots
16:38 skk i had put them in update-rc.d
16:38 jcamins You need to start zebra, not zebraqueue.
16:38 skk oh ok thanx
16:38 jcamins Are you sure you're using the latest livecd?
16:38 jcamins What version of Koha does it have?
16:39 jcamins And where did you get it?
16:39 skk i am compiling the CD on lubuntu with latest koha
16:39 jcamins Ohhh.
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16:39 jcamins You didn't _download_ a CD.
16:39 jcamins You are _making_ a CD.
16:39 mveron Good evening #koha
16:39 skk yes
16:39 jcamins That makes a *huge* difference in my advice.
16:39 skk why
16:39 jcamins The latest livecd that is available for download has serious security vulnerabilities.
16:40 skk like
16:40 jcamins If you're making your own, for your own use, I won't tell you not to use it.
16:40 jcamins XSS vulnerabilities in the OPAC.
16:40 skk no we circulate the cd
16:40 jcamins They're fixed in 3.6.10 and 3.8.6.
16:40 skk i am trying to compile livecd with latest 3.8.6 only
16:40 jcamins You should use packages.
16:41 jcamins Much easier.
16:41 skk what is packages
16:41 wahanui packages is, like, at
16:41 jcamins (they're not available for 3.8.6 yet, I don't think, but they will be soon)
16:41 jcamins For Debian and Ubuntu, you can install Koha with apt-get install koha-common
16:41 jcamins It then takes care of all the Zebra configuration for you.
16:42 skk i am compiling koha 3.8.6 from manual install
16:43 jcamins Yeah, that's a lot more error-prone.
16:43 jcamins As you have noticed.
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16:45 skk thanks
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16:50 kf jcamins: what jcamins said, using a cronjob
16:50 kf argh.
16:50 kf scrolling broken, ignore me.
16:50 jcamins kf: again?
16:50 kf all the time
16:50 kf it just stops autoscrolling sometimes
16:50 jcamins You need a client with working scrolling!
16:51 kf i do
16:51 mveron Hi kf :-)
16:55 kf hi mveron
16:56 mveron Translating?
16:56 wahanui Translating is ok of course :)
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17:02 jcamins oleonard: oh, oleonard. Question for you: didn't you just fix some background in IE?
17:04 jcamins Bug 7687
17:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7687 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Remove problematic CSS gradient declarations targeting Internet Explorer
17:04 jcamins No.
17:04 jcamins That's old.
17:04 jcamins And unpatched.
17:06 oleonard jcamins: Someone did for the new theme
17:07 kf hi oleonard - help?
17:07 oleonard Sure
17:07 kf what jcamins asked
17:07 jcamins I just can't find that bug.
17:07 jcamins Ooh.
17:07 jcamins Bug 8885
17:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8885 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , OPAC with ccsr theme in IE9
17:08 jcamins kf:[…]12826&action=diff
17:08 jcamins That's easiest, I guess. Just removing the filter lines, if you're patching anyway.
17:09 kf I am not patching :(
17:10 kf can I do something like filter:none
17:10 jcamins kf:[…]de-ie-css-filters
17:12 kf I still don't get it :(
17:12 kf in the patch I don't see the element and firebug is trying to be difficult
17:14 pastebot "jcamins" at pasted "kf: try this" (10 lines) at
17:14 jcamins Firebug won't ever show you those lines, since they're not valid CSS.
17:15 kf oooooh
17:15 kf that's better
17:15 kf jcamins: yep, that was the problem
17:15 kf jcamins++ oleonard++ :)
17:15 kf thanks!
17:16 jcamins Internet Explorer: rising from the grave to make your life miserable.
17:16 kf oleonard: do you have a hint/trick to make the font-sizes a bit bigger in firefox but not making them go super large in ie the same time?
17:16 kf and the language switcher does wonky things in ie :(
17:16 oleonard You'd have to either use a conditional stylesheet for IE or use some kind of CSS hack
17:16 kf it moves up across the text and login box
17:16 kf hm ok
17:17 kf and the easiest way to increase font size in both?
17:17 kf I am a bit confused by em/% and px
17:18 oleonard I think it's easiest to use % to adjust font sizes
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17:18 oleonard Do you want to increase font size everywhere?
17:18 rhcl @seen nengard
17:18 huginn rhcl: nengard was last seen in #koha 4 days, 0 hours, 50 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <nengard> I'll be back
17:19 jcamins kf: using font: 100%... doesn't work in IE?
17:20 kf jcamins: it looks fine in ie
17:20 kf but the library requested the font-size to be a bit bigger
17:20 kf and I agree that it's ab it small in firefox
17:21 kf oleonard: I think everything in proportion should work
17:21 kf hopefully
17:21 jcamins Try 110%?
17:21 jcamins In Chrome it looks quite reasonable at 100%.
17:21 kf oh you are right
17:24 drojf mveron: i already translated the incredible number of 89 strings, your turn ;)
17:25 mveron Ok, I give it a try  :-)
17:25 kf oleonard: you think it looks ok now?
17:25 drojf mveron: or are you just waiting for us to do german so you can mooch the swiss search+replace translation off of us? :P
17:26 mveron No no...
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17:26 drojf just kidding ;)
17:26 mveron :-)
17:26 drojf i think you translated more than i did for the last version :)
17:26 oleonard Looks good to me kf
17:27 * kf gives cookies to the busy translators
17:27 kf oleonard: thanks for your help!
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17:27 kf it's getting really late here and I had to solve this
17:28 * mveron does not find "Overall que priority:" in his Opac, just to get the context...
17:29 kf jcamins: changing to 120% doesn't make much of a change for me
17:29 kf that is werid
17:30 drojf mveron: you might need 3.10 installed for that?
17:30 kf hm
17:30 kf shouldn't that be queue?
17:30 drojf true
17:30 mveron I am on master
17:30 kf I htink maybe the holds list or the detail page
17:30 drojf did not pay attention to the actual string
17:30 kf with the syspref to show priority on detail
17:31 drojf mveron: ok
17:32 mveron kf: You are right: Overall queue priority:
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17:36 maximep I don't understand bug 8885
17:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8885 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , OPAC with ccsr theme in IE9
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17:36 maximep works fine in ie9 here :S
17:37 maximep and removing those lines will remove the grading in all is < 10 :S
17:38 maximep *in all IE
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17:39 drojf it's IE, so you have to try all installations on earth, not all versions
17:39 maximep sure
17:39 kf bye all :)
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17:40 maximep that's why those gradients have like 12 fallbacks :p
17:40 drojf lol
17:41 maximep maybe there's just something different in master than what we use
17:41 maximep heh
17:44 libsysguy oleonard did you do the addbiblio thing that makes the change framework follow you down the page
17:44 libsysguy if you did, its cool
17:44 oleonard I did, based on someone else's work
17:45 libsysguy well oleonard++
17:45 libsysguy for someone else's work
17:45 libsysguy :p
18:06 oleonard So, the self checkout system checks the book out to whatever card number is in a hidden field? That seems not secure at all :|
18:07 * oleonard uses firebug to change the card number and check out to some other random dude
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18:07 jcamins oleonard: there's a bug filed about that.
18:07 jcamins I think.
18:07 jcamins I think you filed the bug, actually.
18:08 oleonard Oh no my memory was re-set again. How much time did I lose? Is it still 2009?
18:08 * chris_n checks his card to be sure his name is not "random dude"
18:08 drojf heh
18:08 jcamins Hehe.
18:08 jcamins I could be mistaken.
18:09 oleonard Maybe you're thinking of Bug 7550 jcamins?
18:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7550 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha.sekjal, NEW , Self checkout should limit display of patron image to logged-in patron
18:09 oleonard I should change that bug to be "self checkout should limit EVERYTHING to logged-in patron"
18:10 oleonard I guess the problem is that the self checkout user isn't strictly "logged in"
18:10 * chris_n hates it when his patrons decide to mess around and search opac under the self-checkout user
18:10 jcamins Yes, that's what I was thinking of.
18:11 chris_n a set of perms applicable to the self checkout user would probably not be a bad idea
18:11 chris_n then we could limit what pages could be accessed as well
18:11 * oleonard understands rangi's nefarious plan now... Hire wizzyrea, groom her to be RM, never have to be RM again
18:11 jcamins oleonard: damn fine plan. Wish I'd thought of it.
18:12 gmcharlt heh
18:12 cait oleonard: all makes sense now...
18:13 * jcamins scurries to groom someone else to be RM.
18:13 jcamins Myshkin: "my first act as RM will be to demand that I be given the duck food EVERY SINGLE DAY."
18:14 dracoling I LOVE the duck food.
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18:14 jcamins Myshkin too.
18:14 gmcharlt @later tell eythian send me the SSH key(s) you want to use for access to the pony^Wrepo as well as what you want the repo called, please
18:14 huginn gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
18:15 jcamins Ah, and from on high comes his second commandment: "you will curry my majestic fur EVERY SINGLE HOUR!"
18:15 gmcharlt who better than a cat to make sure no patch falls on the floor
18:15 drojf and then follows "more focus on the online public access CATalog"
18:15 oleonard Daily string and feature freezes during nap time
18:15 gmcharlt species self interest and all that
18:19 drojf i'm looking forward to the cookie-based version naming. "koha chocolate chip catnip cookie"
18:19 cait jcamins: lol
18:19 cait drojf: lol too :)
18:19 jcamins drojf: very nice.
18:19 rangi Morning
18:19 wahanui well, Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:19 cait morning rangi :)
18:19 drojf morning rangi
18:22 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:22 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on October 24, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling).
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18:26 rangi Hmm busy bus today
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18:44 rangi Bbiab
18:44 jcamins That's a cute picture of Spud with the luggage- it's almost as tall as he is!
18:44 jcamins @later tell wizzyrea Great picture of Spud with the luggage.
18:44 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
18:55 rangi back
18:56 cait wb
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19:01 rangi now wizzyrea can get this poster
19:01 rangi[…]denee/3597100692/
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19:17 * oleonard tests Bootstrap pages in Firefox 3.6 and finds nothing which doesn't work
19:17 cait :) yay!
19:17 rangi yay!
19:17 rangi so its just the license eh
19:18 oleonard Just the license which is an issue with Koha?
19:18 rangi yep
19:20 oleonard Was someone going to try to get the license issue on the agenda at an IRC meeting?
19:21 rangi i think so, post the elections
19:23 oleonard mtj?
19:23 wahanui mtj is DeM KraZy NutZ!!
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19:55 oleonard Why does self-checkout check for the barcode "__KOHA_NEW_CIRC__" upon submission? Something left over from testing?
19:55 rangi sure sounds like it to me
19:55 oleonard if (barcode == "__KOHA_NEW_CIRC__") {   // magic barcode
19:56 cait it's magic!!
19:56 cait hm
19:56 rangi that needs a
19:56 cait I have an idea, but I am not sure if I am totally off
19:56 rangi && $debug or something
19:56 rangi something set in sysprefs or config
19:56 cait what happens if you scan it? does it start another function?
19:56 oleonard It's in JS rangi
19:56 rangi eeewwww
19:57 cait so if you had no mouse but only a barcode reader at the station with a piece of paper with special barcodes...
19:57 cait you could control it with that?
19:57 cjh heh barcode logic in js
19:58 * jcamins thinks cait is probably right.
19:58 cjh cait: that is a very cool idea
19:58 cait oh happy you got what I wanted to say
19:58 oleonard Yes I think cait is right, because submitting that value logs you out
19:58 cait I was not sure if that explanation worked heh
19:58 rangi ah right
19:58 rangi i stand by my eeewww
19:58 rangi about it being js though
19:58 cait lol
19:58 cjh heh, in 5 years from now, mice will be a thing of the past, everyone will use barcode scanners.
19:59 cait cjh: lol
19:59 * cjh already has 2 on his desk
19:59 oleonard So perhaps "magic barcode" isn't the most descriptive comment possible
19:59 cait actually you can do some cool things if oyu have one at your station anyway
19:59 cait it's faster sometimes when scanning if you don't have to put the scanner down to type or click something
20:00 oleonard This also makes me nervous: <input type="hidden" name="valid_session" value="1" />
20:00 cait eew
20:00 rangi oh dear god
20:00 jcamins Wow.
20:00 oleonard Only I don't think it actually does anything
20:01 rangi phew
20:01 cait it's a trap? ;)
20:01 * oleonard is trying to figure out how much of this javascript is simply junk, and it seems like a lot of it is
20:02 cjh oleonard: oh wow
20:02 rangi
20:02 cait lol
20:03 reiveune bye
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20:04 oleonard Ah well, more tomorrow I guess. Bye #koha. Have a good vacation cait
20:04 cait thx oleonard :)
20:04 cait and have a good evening!
20:05 cait vacation!!! free cookies for everyone!
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20:06 drojf vacation! don't forget to pack a nice piece of translation so you don't get bored ;)
20:07 cait lol
20:07 cait I am already translating right now - and it IS boring
20:09 drojf mveron is following me closely
20:09 cait i am working on pref
20:09 mveron :-)
20:09 cait are you 2 on staff?
20:09 * cait thinks this should be translated by mveron: circulation.pref#AgeRestrictionMarker# E.g. enter target audience  keyword(s) split by | (bar) FSK|PEGI|Age| (No white space near |). Be  sure to map agerestriction in Koha to MARC mapping (e.g. 521$a). A MARC  field value of FSK 12 or PEGI 12 would mean: Borrower must be 12 years  old. Leave empty to not apply an age restriction.
20:09 * mveron is on staff, around quotes (Zitate, nicht Notizen)
20:09 drojf i'm done for tonight, will go to sleep soon. need a more day-ish rhythm
20:10 mveron cait: Will do :-)
20:10 cait drojf: vacation! :P
20:10 cait ok, I am being mean - have a good night :)
20:10 mveron drojf: Gute Nacht!
20:11 drojf i expect the translation to be done when i come back :P
20:13 cait pf
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20:22 mveron cait: Can you have  a look at circulation.pref#AgeRestrictionMarker# ...?  I did my best :-)
20:26 kathryn hi #koha :) especially you cait!
20:26 cait hi kathryn! :)
20:26 kathryn hows things?
20:27 cait good :)
20:27 cait starting a long vacation tonight :)
20:27 kathryn awesome, go you, enjoy!
20:28 cait thx :) hows things in the future?
20:29 kathryn talking to quite a few libraries about Koha at the moment, find myself troubled deciding who needs talking to first sometimes!
20:29 kathryn (and very excited about Liz's arrival)
20:29 cait :)
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21:27 eythian hi
21:33 eythian @later tell wizzyrea here is something you should get when you're here:[…]ingtonian/641459/
21:33 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
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22:55 jcamins eythian: have you I bugged you about packaging 3.8.6 yet?
22:56 jcamins Ah, you did.
22:56 jcamins Thanks.
22:58 jcamins eythian++
23:01 eythian jcamins: I did it last night even :)
23:01 eythian going to do 3.6.10 today
23:01 jcamins Yay!
23:01 jcamins eythian++
23:01 cait eythian++ :)
23:02 jcamins cait: isn't it a bit late?
23:02 cait it is
23:02 eythian hi cait
23:02 cait I am on vacation.
23:03 eythian how is it so far?
23:12 cait eythian: hm bit dark outside
23:12 cait but apart from that ok :)
23:12 eythian night time will do that, the sun is currently over here.
23:12 cait ah? well, that explains
23:13 cait send it back in time, will you?
23:13 eythian no promises
23:13 cait heh
23:13 eythian you're going to miss your sourkraut when you're away!
23:14 cait lol
23:14 cait it's better now since it's colder - closed windows maybe
23:14 eythian yeah, that'll do it I suppose
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