IRC log for #koha, 2012-10-02

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00:28 ala_3vo Hi #koha
00:31 ala_3vo I'm trying to put an image to the opac header. How can that be done, any help?
00:35 mtj ala_3vo ->
00:36 mtj
00:40 ala_3vo mtj, Thanks.
00:41 ala_3vo Is it possible to put image into the koha share directory and use that image on opac header?
00:45 mtj yes, i think so
00:46 mtj … but your path/to/the/file will need to be correct
00:48 ala_3vo the path I'm thinking of is /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmp/prog/images/
00:48 wahanui Hmm.  No matches for that, ala_3vo.
00:53 mtj h1#libraryname {  background: url("../../images/koha-logo.gif")
00:54 mtj if you want a 'local' path to your logo, something like that...
00:55 mtj hmmm, ignore that :) thats a bad path
00:56 ala_3vo mtj, what should be the correct path?
00:57 mtj opac-tmpl/prog/images/koha-logo.gif
00:58 ala_3vo Okay... if I'm using an ip adress then it should be something like[…]ges/koha-logo.gif.
00:59 ala_3vo where is the opac. Is that correct?
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01:21 mtj ala_3vo,  no , 8080 is usually the staff/admin port
01:23 mtj … but the path is correct, for either opac or staff interfaces
01:24 mtj
01:24 mtj[…]ges/koha-logo.gif
01:24 mtj etc...
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02:37 eythian wahanui: cait is also in Munich in a Dirndl
02:37 wahanui okay, eythian.
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06:12 libsysguy anybody running 3.8.5?
06:12 libsysguy its so quiet in here
06:12 * libsysguy wonders if anyone hears him
06:16 magnuse kia ora #koha!
06:16 magnuse yup, i'm running 3.8.5 in production
06:19 libsysguy had any issues out of fines magnuse?
06:20 magnuse nope, 'cause none of the libraries use fines :-)
06:20 libsysguy heh
06:20 libsysguy damn it
06:20 libsysguy I can't get fines to charge for the life of me
06:20 magnuse ouch
06:21 magnuse any error messages in the logs or something?
06:21 libsysguy thats the weird part
06:21 libsysguy the fines calculate and push to the fines long in /tmp
06:21 libsysguy but it never applies them to the db
06:21 libsysguy and the calculate and apply syspref is enabled
06:24 magnuse that's not good
06:25 libsysguy indeed its not
06:25 libsysguy I was just hoping I wasn't the first to see it
06:25 libsysguy or I was the only one
06:25 libsysguy just as a sanity check
06:25 libsysguy :p
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06:27 libsysguy cait-m!!
06:27 wahanui somebody said cait-m was on a train :-)
06:27 cait-m good morning
06:27 libsysguy morning
06:27 wahanui rumour has it morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
06:27 cait-m hi wahanui
06:28 libsysguy geez wahanui you're all up in my biz
06:28 libsysguy and its so late here
06:28 cait-m hi libsysguy
06:28 cait-m why are you awake?
06:28 libsysguy i can't sleep
06:28 cait-m wanted to wish me luck?
06:29 libsysguy im not tired :'(
06:29 libsysguy oh yes
06:29 libsysguy that too
06:29 cait-m heh
06:29 libsysguy you're speaking soon right?
06:29 cait-m hmm not really
06:29 libsysguy oh
06:29 libsysguy well man did I miss that one
06:29 cait-m at noon here, 3.5 h
06:30 libsysguy hopefully I will be asleep by then
06:30 cait-m yep
06:30 cait-m waiting for the subway
06:31 libsysguy do you have subway sandwiches in Germany?
06:31 cait-m yes
06:32 libsysguy yumm
06:32 libsysguy :p
06:32 cait-m we have subways, kfc, burger king and mc donalds
06:32 libsysguy Anna and I were talking about places in China yesterday
06:32 libsysguy when she lived there they named places they didn't know by what they normally would be in America :p
06:32 cait-m buf i am waiting for transportation  :-)
06:32 libsysguy so they had mcdonalds, kfc, etc too :p
06:33 cait-m heg
06:33 cait-m heh
06:33 libsysguy well what a better way to pass the time
06:33 libsysguy than with a sandwich
06:33 libsysguy :D
06:34 cait-m lol
06:34 * magnuse wishes cait-m good luck even if it is early yet
06:34 cait-m talking to you?
06:34 cait-m hi magnusr
06:34 libsysguy no not a talking sandwih
06:34 libsysguy sandwich*
06:34 libsysguy :p
06:35 cait-m go to sleep!
06:35 libsysguy b-b-but I think i just found a major bug in 3.8.5
06:36 libsysguy 5 more minutes :p
06:36 cait-m sleepg bug?
06:36 libsysguy i wish I could catch the sand man
06:37 cait-m ttyl
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06:54 alex_a bonjour #koha
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06:55 reiveune hello
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07:07 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
07:12 magnuse hiya mtompset reiveune alex_a laurence julian_m sophie_m asaurat
07:12 reiveune salut magnuse :)
07:13 laurence hi magnuse
07:13 sophie_m hi magnuse
07:13 sophie_m hi #koha
07:13 mtompset greetings, magnuse. Salut reiveune sophie_m
07:13 reiveune mtompset : bonjour :)
07:13 julian_m hello magnuse
07:14 mtompset Greetings, julian_m
07:14 matts hi !
07:14 julian_m hi mtompset
07:14 mtompset Changing it up today, reiveune? ;)
07:14 reiveune ;)
07:17 asaurat hi =)
07:18 mtompset greetings, asaurat and matts
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07:36 francharb hi
07:36 wahanui hola, francharb
07:46 mtompset Okay... I so want to progress bar the framework duplication!
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08:39 drojf good day #koha
08:51 mtompset Greetings, drojf.
08:51 drojf hi mtompset
08:52 drojf quiet around here
08:52 mtompset Are their official instructions on how to get the packages to icu index rather than chr index?
08:52 mtompset Oops... there.
08:52 drojf i don't know. have you checked the wiki?
08:53 mtompset I was cleaning up the LiveCD/LiveDVD portion, since someone admitted to using something by Mizstik which is totally out of date, and his google group says he no longer supports it.
08:54 drojf oh. live-cd. out of date. google group. sounds scary
08:54 drojf also, if he says its yout of date, why does he not take down the download?
08:54 drojf out
08:56 mtompset Because he doesnt' have time to delete the google group?
08:56 mtompset Don't know.
08:57 drojf mtompset:    from the 3.8.0 release notes: "* Add ICU option to Koha out of the box (7698)        during installation, you now have an option to use ICU. ICU is a unicode library that improve a lot zebra search engine for non latin alphabet catalogue ". maybe make people use recent versions would help
08:57 drojf i don't remember being asked about that at installation though
08:58 mtompset exactly... because it is asked a BUILD time, not INSTALL time.
08:58 drojf ah. ok that's useless for normal people
08:59 mtompset I'm thinking we should build icu by default, but perhaps it already is as of a particular version?
08:59 mtompset Who is the zebra king around here? :)
08:59 drojf what would be the reason not to? the link on the ml said fuzzy search has to be turned off, i would imagine that is something a lot of libraries use
09:00 drojf jcamins_away helped me a lot with that cranky animal
09:02 * drojf is off to a meeting
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09:27 magnuse huh, why would ODUE be sent as good looking html email (with linebreaks and links) and ODUE2 be sent as more or less plain text (without linebreaks and links) when the templates are the same?
09:34 magnuse looks like the html gets stripped out of the body of ODUE2
09:41 mtompset Ah, so my thought was correct... ODUE2 = html stripped ODUE. ;)
09:42 magnuse huh?
09:42 magnuse ODUE and ODUE2 are effectively identical
09:42 magnuse ODUE is sent with HTML in the body, ODUE2 is sent without
09:43 magnuse but they both have content_type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" in the message_queue table
09:45 mtompset Oh, so ODUE is a poorly marked up version of ODUE2?
09:45 magnuse the templates are identical
09:46 magnuse something happens to ODUE2 before it is sent
09:51 magnuse gah, looks like i'm confusing the codes
09:51 magnuse DUE is sent as proper HTML
09:51 magnuse but both ODUE and ODUE2 have the html stripped from the message...
10:02 * magnuse finds bug 6030
10:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6030 enhancement, P3, ---, stephane.delaune, Patch doesn't apply , Allow for html in letters in overdue notices
10:02 magnuse d'oh
10:08 magnuse @later tell nengard bug 6030 implies that html can not be used in overdue notices. maybe this could be mentioned in the bulletpoint that starts with "If you plan on writing the notice or slip in HTML..." below here: http://manual.koha-community.o[…]s.html#addnotices ?
10:08 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
10:13 * magnuse thinks html in email is evil anyway
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10:48 koyauni hi, my web server has stopped working and when I try to stop and restart Apache I get this error message (# apachectl stop apache2: Syntax error on line 230 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 5 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library: Coul           d not open configuration file /etc/koha/apache-shared.conf: No such file or directory Action 'sto
10:49 koyauni and in fact I can not see that file in that folder, so what has happened to that file,
10:50 koyauni I just did backup the other day sudo koha-dump library  , do you think this has created any problem?
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11:08 drojf back
11:20 drojf koyauni: i doubt that the backup has anything to do with that
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11:36 mtompset history | grep /etc/koha
11:36 mtompset Find out if someone did. ;)
11:36 drojf heh
11:37 pastebot "mtompset" at pasted "my /etc/koha" (8 lines) at
11:38 mtompset It should be identical since we are both using packages.
11:40 mtompset And no. /usr/sbin/koha-dump doesn't even touch /etc/koha/apache-shared.conf
11:41 mtompset Oh wait... let's blame plesk. ;)\
11:42 drojf plesk?
11:42 wahanui plesk is terrible and likely to interfere with setting up Koha
11:42 drojf sounds like you are right mtompset ;)
11:49 drojf mtompset: a VM with combined host-only adapter and NAT works for me with DHCP, have you ever done it with a static IP for the host-only adapter? i can't reach it from outside if i try
11:50 drojf maybe found the problem now
11:51 mtompset Make sure you set the host-only to promiscuous.
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11:52 mtompset Oh and you need to make sure your netmask is, so that it crosses to the VM's networking.
11:52 mtompset (which should not be the same as your LANs)
11:55 drojf my problem was using 192.168.2.x in debian, but having the default of for the virtual adapter. it's working now
11:57 drojf hm. i wonder if a google group would have tried to help more
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12:06 mtompset tried to help more?
12:07 mtompset What do you mean, drojf?
12:09 drojf i mean koyauni. he asked something, you addressed it, he left. i wonder if a web forum would have tried more than that. not trying to be a dick, just really wondering what would go on in such place.
12:10 mtompset Well, I don't really know how to tell if plesk messed it up.
12:10 mtompset And the history grep was a good idea, if it wasn't plesk. ;)
12:11 mtompset I couldn't help more. And frankly, a forum would probably give thousands of wrong answer too. :)
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12:20 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:22 mtompset Greetings, jwagner.
12:22 jwagner Hi, mtompset
12:22 mtompset Greetings, oleonard.
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12:27 * oleonard waves to druthb
12:27 druthb Hi, oleonard! :)
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12:28 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
12:34 drojf mtompset: that's what i meant. you tried to help (and he ignored that). in a group full of people that did not have enough technical skills to use a mailing list, i doubt he would have had more useful answers
12:35 drojf good morning jcamins
12:35 kohakhan I was just bitten by: Can't call method "get_attr" without a package or object reference at /home/koha/kohaclone/patroncards/ line 126.
12:35 kohakhan ... when i was going to create a 'New batch' to print the card using 'Patron card creator>Manage card Batches'
12:35 kohakhan Any work around?
12:36 mtompset What are you using, kohakhan?
12:36 mtompset livecd?
12:36 wahanui somebody said livecd was here
12:36 mtompset git install?
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12:37 mtompset What version of Koha are you using, kohakhan?
12:37 mtompset Greetings, jcamins.
12:38 kohakhan I downloade the VM having
12:38 mtompset From where?
12:39 mtompset and out of curiousity... echo $KOHA_CONF
12:39 mtompset echo $PERL5LIB
12:40 jcamins Kyle Hall's VM?
12:40 kohakhan From Kyle:
12:40 jcamins Someone just patched that bug, I think. It sounds very familiar.
12:41 jcamins Ohhh.
12:41 jcamins No, it's not patched.
12:41 jcamins I'm the one who reported it, and it was user error.
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12:41 jcamins You need to log in as a regular user.
12:42 jcamins (i.e. not kohaadmin)
12:43 kohakhan so i have to create an other user and then login to create the card?
12:43 jcamins Right.
12:43 jcamins You shouldn't be using kohaadmin ever.
12:43 kohakhan thanks a lot, let me try it.
12:44 drojf we do not have a list of such error messages (and the fixes) in one place, do we?
12:46 mtompset Perhaps we should limit what modules the system user can enter. ;)
12:48 kohakhan jcamins: i found that... 'Set library' (at the top) was not set for kohaadmin. therefore it crashed!
12:49 jcamins kohakhan: you're going to have additional problems if you use the kohaadmin user.
12:49 jcamins Create a new superlibrarian user and use that one.
12:49 drojf mtompset: good point, is there anything besides "patrons" that one should be able to use with that user? maybe the about/check page
12:50 jcamins mtompset: wizzyrea is working on a patch to do that, actually.
12:50 drojf wizzyrea++
12:50 mtompset wizzyrea++ # get that patch in soon. :)
12:51 mtompset drojf: You owe me a coke. ;)
12:52 drojf :D
12:53 kohakhan jcamins: you have already investigated it thoroughly :)
12:54 magnuse bug 8689
12:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8689 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , disable login via Koha's $database account
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12:57 tcohen morning #koha
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12:57 drojf hi tcohen
12:58 tcohen hi drojf
12:58 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
12:58 tcohen hi mtompset
13:00 mtompset a git reset only affects the current branch you are on, right?
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13:02 paul_p hello (back)
13:03 mtompset welcome back.
13:03 tcohen welcome back paul_p
13:03 tcohen he
13:03 kohakhan ! can't locate the option 'Manage Patron Image' in v3.08
13:03 magnuse welcome back paul_p
13:05 mtompset http://manual.koha-community.o[…]#managecardimages
13:05 mtompset When in doubt, search the manual.
13:05 tcohen More > Tools > Upload patron images
13:06 kohakhan thanks
13:06 drojf paul_p: i understand biblibre is in charge of if we would decide to have another german mailing list (a general one, we only have i18n atm), how would we get it? ask you for the list creator password? ask you to set it up for us?
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13:07 paul_p drojf = yep, ask me. I will transfer your request to our sysadmin guy
13:08 drojf paul_p: ok cool. have to talk this through with kf. thanks
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13:12 oleonard mizstik's Koha Live CD: last update 2011-07-29, 55 downloads this week.
13:13 magnuse wow
13:13 drojf :/
13:13 magnuse that's a lot of downloads
13:15 drojf i can't even access the site without a google account. that does not help with my dislike of google groups
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13:15 oleonard Here's the Sourceforge link drojf:
13:15 oleonard I'm going to add a "review" which says please don't use this
13:15 drojf thanks oleonard
13:15 oleonard ...fwiw
13:15 drojf heh sounds good
13:16 drojf ah ok, ads might be the reason why he does not take it down
13:16 oleonard Do you get ad revenue from Sourceforge? Or does Sourceforge?
13:17 * magnuse would think sourceforge gets it
13:17 drojf yes makes sense
13:20 drojf oh come on, "Can Anyone help me to tell the USER ID & PASSWORD of KOHA LIVE CD with ubuntu12.04LTS." is a positive review? :/
13:21 drojf clicking a thumbs down does not require a log in. maybe we all should do that once or twice
13:23 magnuse do we know who mizstik is?
13:26 jcamins magnuse: no idea.
13:28 magnuse hooray for biblibre - 5 years old today!
13:29 oleonard I msged the Sourceforge user
13:29 oleonard Happy Birthday Biblibre!
13:29 drojf "How can I install koha live cd without bootable cd" sounds like a fun topic. also, it's weird that i can access the group, but not via his website
13:30 oleonard drojf: After that, "How can I install Koha without having access to a computer?"
13:31 drojf lol
13:31 magnuse wow loading that 24MB 2.2.x databasedump into an empty database is taking forever...
13:31 magnuse oleonard: lol!
13:31 drojf "How can I protect the kohalivecd installed system without Anti virus". yeah, we definitely need a google group
13:32 jcamins E-mailed.
13:32 drojf magnuse: 2.2.x? where did you find that?
13:32 drojf jcamins++
13:34 drojf "Would this livecd work on windows also.". you can't make that up.
13:35 jcamins drojf: I disagree. I could have predicted it.
13:36 magnuse jcamins++
13:36 magnuse drojf: at a small swedish school - but i suspect there are a lot of 2.2.x still out there
13:41 drojf oh, a small school. i can imagine that. "it's free, so we install it once and never touch that running system again". also, the teacher who did it in his spare time is long gone. *takes wild guesses*
13:41 * oleonard seems to recall mtompset's country is predominately 2.x
13:42 jcamins drojf: there are a *ton* of 2.2.x's.
13:42 mtompset Well, we are all a bunch of lumberjacks, riding our dogsleds to work while living in Igloos and ice castles. :P
13:42 jcamins mtompset: the country where you _live_.
13:42 drojf lol
13:43 drojf jcamins: that's kind of scary. also, why did nobody in my country use koha when it was at 2.2.x? :/
13:43 mtompset Oh... Fedora *grumble grumble* 2.9.X junk.
13:43 jcamins drojf: in fact, I'm going to call a library that's migrating from 2.2.x today.
13:44 mtompset You mean the country in which I *WORK*. :P
13:44 * oleonard thinks every library migrating from 2.2.x should get a congratulatory call from jcamins
13:44 drojf lol i would like that
13:45 jcamins oleonard: I think I'd spend all my time on the phone.
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13:45 magnuse drojf: something like that yes
13:45 drojf kohipsters. they used koha before it was mainstream
13:46 magnuse yeah!
13:46 oleonard Real Kohipsters used Koha before it had MARC support
13:46 magnuse Real Kohipsters built Koha from scratch :-)
13:47 drojf jcamins: and you send emails to people with live-cds from LAST YEAR? ;)
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13:47 * magnuse wanders off
13:47 wajasu an play hip hop while providing releases
13:47 jcamins drojf: only one person with the livecd. :P
13:48 drojf jcamins: i see :D
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13:51 drojf seems like our koha workshop is really going to happen \o/ i hope cait will make it or i will have to explain a lot of stuff myself i have not really used yet
13:52 jcamins Hooray!
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13:54 drojf 4pm until 11am next day. open end. that sounds like a lot of fun, but i wonder how many library folks want to pull an koha allnighter ;)
13:55 jcamins drojf: probably not many.
13:55 jcamins drojf: unless it's at a craft brewery.
13:57 drojf unfortunately, no. it's at a library. they have some kind of night reading event and we get an extra room there for the koha fun. but there is free catering as far as i know. i wouldn't mind sleeping at some point instead of staying up until 11 too, they have couches or something there to rest :)
14:00 jcamins drojf: bring a craft brewer in to do a pop-up brewery? :)
14:01 wizzyrea oh yea, I am working on that aren't I. Ha.
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14:01 wizzyrea and good <time of day>
14:01 drojf jcamins: fantastic idea actually ;)
14:01 drojf ho wizzyrea
14:01 drojf hi even
14:01 drojf hi-ho, hi-ho
14:01 * wizzyrea didn't realize it was talk like a pirate day
14:01 wizzyrea :)
14:02 wizzyrea ahoy.
14:02 drojf lol
14:02 jcamins wizzyrea: wasn't that a few weeks ago?
14:02 oleonard "Ho!" is appropriate if you're LARPing today drojf
14:02 wizzyrea yea, I think it was
14:02 wizzyrea I think any day can be talk like a pirate day
14:02 wizzyrea you just have to proclaim it so
14:03 drojf for some of us, talk like a pirate day is everyday. for example for, like, pirates
14:06 oleonard I downloaded a torrent legally yesterday. I think that makes me a pirate in some jurisdictions?
14:06 oleonard ...uh, me hearties.
14:07 drojf i will not say anything about any torrents i ever downloaded. arrrr
14:07 * drojf is off to watch the simpsons
14:07 drojf (completely unrelated. *disclaim, disclaim*)
14:12 tcohen how do I delete a branch in github?
14:15 wajasu pirate day was weeks ago
14:20 tcohen anyone?
14:21 jcamins tcohen: I don't know, sorry.
14:21 tcohen i just deleted the repository :/
14:21 senator tcohen: git push -f repo :branch-to-delete
14:21 senator doh, too late
14:22 tcohen it just follows koha, with some additions from us
14:22 tcohen (all of them patches in bz BTW ;))
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14:25 oleonard I don't think the -f is required
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14:26 kohakhan I am little bit puzzled, why 'image' and 'image upload' option are removed from Patron profile in new version 3.08.       Home › Patrons › Patron details
14:28 tcohen senator, oleonard, that command means push "nothing" to branch-to-delete?
14:30 oleonard tcohen: the colon before the branch name tells git to delete the branch
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14:31 tcohen I used git push github-koha 3.8.x_psi:3.8.x_psi
14:31 tcohen sorry, this: git push github-koha 3.8.x_psi:3.8.x_unc
14:31 tcohen to push our local branch  3.8.x_psi to remote  3.8.x_unc
14:33 jcamins Can anyone think of an actual good reason for us to have *four* MARC21->MODS stylesheets included with Koha?
14:35 jcamins Ah. I guess we have one stylesheet for each version.
14:35 jcamins Can anyone think of a good reason to use MODS 3.0,
14:35 senator tcohen: right. a colon with nothing before it will push "nothing" in the sense of "make the remote branch go away", i.e. delete it (not in the sense of "this command does nothing")
14:36 jcamins MODS 3.1, MODS 3.2, and MODS 3.3?
14:36 jcamins (and MODS 3.4, though we aren't using it yet)
14:38 tcohen jcamins, how do u follow k-c's repo in your personal git repo?
14:39 tcohen by hand? every branch?  just those you use?
14:39 jcamins tcohen: what do you mean? I have a kc remote, and do a fetch a couple times a day.
14:40 tcohen do u have a working public repo (github, gitorius, etc)?
14:40 jcamins Yes.
14:40 tcohen I want to make public what we use here
14:40 jcamins I do not update it consistently, though.
14:40 tcohen should i just push our 3.8.x branch?
14:41 jcamins Or, rather, I update it only with branches that are not getting submitted via bugzilla.
14:41 tcohen but u don't push master, and those branches, right?
14:41 tcohen just the branches
14:41 jcamins Right.
14:41 tcohen ok
14:41 jcamins I push *only* those branches I have edited.
14:41 jcamins Actually, I should prune my github branches.
14:42 tcohen your master's last commit is 2 years old hehe
14:43 jcamins I don't have a master branch.
14:43 jcamins That's from when I cloned gmcharlt's repo on github.
14:44 jcamins (I mean, I don't have a master branch locally)
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15:05 wajasu when i install koha-common, pulling from the repo, it grabs the latest version, correct?  3.8.5-1   i wonder if that is ok for master, or do i need to use one from 3.9...git...?
15:11 mtompset git?
15:11 wahanui git is[…]Control_Using_Git
15:12 mtompset Nope... I meant
15:13 mtompset Which version you want is going to affect which repo you grab from, wajasu.
15:14 mtompset Have fun, people. :)
15:14 * mtompset waves bye.
15:30 oleonard libsysguy: I can't reproduce bug 8856
15:30 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8856 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Details section of cart always displays 59
15:31 libsysguy hmm
15:31 libsysguy I got it on 3 different servers
15:31 oleonard Running master?
15:31 wahanui Running master is a lot of work
15:31 libsysguy heh true wahanui
15:32 libsysguy shoot
15:32 libsysguy both are 3.8.5
15:32 libsysguy it may just be a 3.8.x bug and I marked it incorrectly
15:33 libsysguy I've updated to reflect
15:33 libsysguy sorry oleonard
15:34 oleonard That's okay. There's still the question of whether it's a bug that was fixed in master or a bug which doesn't exist for some other reason
15:34 libsysguy let me see if its on the demo bywater site
15:35 libsysguy oh, well demp is on 3.8.0
15:36 libsysguy nevermind
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15:48 libsysguy morning Joy!
15:50 talljoy good morning!
15:59 reiveune1 bye
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16:02 tcohen wajasu, was you question answered?
16:02 wajasu yes.
16:03 tcohen let me know when you have time for bug 8773
16:03 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
16:03 tcohen (if u r still interested)
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16:04 wajasu my script that auto builds was bailing because the newer koha-common replaced the XML ParserDetails.ini, and since i had a sed script that edited that, it caused a prompt to choose the version my script edited, or the one from koha_common.
16:07 wajasu tochen: i'' give it a try.   i used to be able to build new VMs in 4 minutes, but the download of koha-common from the repo must be throttled or slow (75kbps) so it takes much longer to download 45MB)
16:12 wajasu tcohen: is[…].7807a548_all.deb what you want me to test.   ok.  i will build the VM without koha-common and install your koha-common fresh, so no biblio is there.
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16:21 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8728 : Adjust Reserves.t test for resdate and expdate and test setup/teardown <[…]ab56f0fd19c7ff9b7> / Bug 8711 - alternating colors messed up on reports <[…]e1e48f9a53b9bfa17> / Add a warning if a Z39.50 search is started from biblio edition page. <http:
16:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #864 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
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16:50 libsysguy is anybody in today running 3.8.5?
16:55 wajasu i was wondering if i should build a test environment today for 3.8.5.  do you have something specific you need tested?
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17:04 libsysguy yeah wajasu, fines
17:04 libsysguy I am showing that they aren't working on my test system
17:12 wajasu if i set up 3.8.5 and checkout a couple of overdues, with is that enough of a usecase and look at an overdue notice, to see how much they owe?  or do you have a special corner case? or circ rules?
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17:14 cait hi #koha
17:15 jcamins Hi cait.
17:16 cait hi jcamins :)
17:19 libsysguy sorry wajasu I was prepping for a conference call
17:20 libsysguy and the basic case should be enough
17:20 libsysguy I can't get any fines to accru
17:20 libsysguy accrue*
17:20 cait eek
17:21 libsysguy yeah...
17:21 libsysguy but I just want to make sure im not the only one
17:21 libsysguy :)
17:21 wajasu libsysguy: when i get back from lunch, i'll set it up and try.  a koha-dev env is fine? or do you wnat me to use koha-common?
17:21 libsysguy koha dev is good
17:22 libsysguy with the 3.8.5 tag
17:28 wajasu right.  i'll do    git checkout -b finestest v3.08.05
17:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #864: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/864/
17:36 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8350: warning in logs when searching for nonexistent ISBN
17:36 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7992: New plugin stocknumberAV
17:36 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8674: Adds script batchdeletebiblios
17:36 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8674: Followup: Add POD for misc/
17:36 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8674 follow-up Fix perlcritic error
17:36 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Add a warning if a Z39.50 search is started from biblio edition page.
17:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Searching for a 10 or 13 digit string (with a number in it) that does not exist in one's catalog will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding
17:36 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8711 - alternating colors messed up on reports
17:36 jenkins_koha * matted-34813: Bug 8728 : Adjust Reserves.t test for resdate and expdate and test setup/teardown
17:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7992 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , new plugin about Automatic Number incrementing inventory. Prefix management from a authorised values list
17:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Need a delete biblios script
17:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8711 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , alternating colors messed up on reports
17:36 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8728 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , t/db_dependent/Reserve.t test doesn't use resdate and expdate arguments for AddReserve
17:37 magnuse success! \o/
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17:39 pastebot "wajasu" at pasted "tcohen: i retried your .deb" (367 lines) at
17:40 wajasu tcohen: look at what i pasted.  I need to break for lunch and will try your suggestions when I get back.
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17:58 tcohen jcamins, got my branch on github
17:58 tcohen[…]51aa9ba3625e87878
17:58 tcohen now we'll be sharing what we use
17:59 jcamins tcohen++
18:05 tcohen its really nice how github shouws the diffs
18:22 rangi Morning
18:22 wahanui well, Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:23 oleonard Hi rangi
18:23 wizzyrea mornin
18:26 trea morning rangi
18:34 drojf hey rangi
18:34 jcamins Morning.
18:34 wahanui morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
18:38 rangi Should I read bugzilla email?
18:39 jcamins rangi: Ehhh...
18:39 oleonard What are you afraid to find rangi?
18:40 rangi Enhancements pushed
18:41 oleonard Oh, so nothing as fun as Bug 8824
18:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED INVALID, use of windows 7, Firefox V15 and wireless level dns 10.58.2.X versus wired 192.168.x.x
18:43 jcamins There is nothing magical about $attributes->{1}, right?
18:43 jcamins I mean, presuming that $attributes is a hashref which includes a key =1.
18:44 rangi Hehe that one was pretty special
18:44 rangi Nope
18:44 rangi I'd quote it, cos I do that for all but that's a style thing
18:45 rangi I wonder how far off base my author email is
18:45 jcamins Author e-mail?
18:46 jcamins Oh.
18:46 jcamins Right.
18:46 jcamins Ummm...
18:46 jcamins I don't think that's the issue, but it's UNIMARC.
18:47 rangi Well the comma is an issue
18:48 rangi One search works,  without it,  one with it doesn't
18:48 jcamins Yeah, but Zebra is supposed to ignore commas in between fields.
18:49 rangi Rowling,  != Rowling
18:49 rangi I don't think it's between fields
18:49 jcamins Don't forget this is UNIMARC, so that's actually two subfields: "Rowling" and "J. K."
18:49 rangi Not in the search I don't think
18:50 rangi I think it's doing a phrase
18:50 rangi But I highly likely wrong
18:50 jcamins I think fredericd patched it so that facets on UNIMARC authors are magically turned into non-phrase searches.
18:50 rangi Ahh
18:51 rangi My stop bbl
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18:58 nengard if anyone has a moment i have some documentation questions on bug 8597
18:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
18:59 jcamins nengard: yeah, I'd meant to answer them when I saw them in my e-mail.
18:59 nengard magnuse regarding your message to me about bug 6030 ? can HTML be used in all notices but overdues?
18:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6030 enhancement, P3, ---, stephane.delaune, Patch doesn't apply , Allow for html in letters in overdue notices
18:59 jcamins That feature actually adds an entire new theme which you enable by changing opacthemes to ccsr.
18:59 jcamins This new theme includes a mobile view.
19:00 jcamins It does not touch the existing template, which is called "prog" (rangi tells me this was supposed to be short for "programmer").
19:00 oleonard ...back when we thought it would be a base theme on which new themes were built
19:00 nengard jcamins when i enable ccsr it breaks the browser view
19:00 jcamins oleonard: which it is now.
19:00 nengard big time
19:01 jcamins nengard: probably the follow-up still hasn't been pushed.
19:01 nengard oh!!
19:01 nengard well that would explain things
19:01 cait oleonard: thx for fixing the search form - the collapsing was partly my fault :)
19:01 jcamins Or you are using a custom opac stylesheet.
19:01 nengard I'm not
19:01 jcamins Yeah, there's a follow-up to make the font sizes come out right.
19:01 nengard oh this is not font sizes
19:01 oleonard cait: I don't know if my fix is necessarily right, but it seemed like we could do the same thing using an existing design pattern.
19:02 nengard I'll put a screenshot on there
19:02 nengard jcamins - you said one of the style sheets needed a specific setting
19:02 nengard can you remind me which that was?
19:02 nengard colorstylesheet?
19:02 jcamins Yup.
19:02 nengard should be
19:02 jcamins It must be set to colors.css.
19:03 nengard k
19:03 nengard i had mine blank...
19:03 nengard there we go
19:03 nengard a bit better
19:03 nengard but not perfect
19:03 nengard it puts the nav atthe bottom
19:03 nengard isntead of on the right
19:03 jcamins Odd.
19:03 nengard i mean left
19:03 nengard i'll do a screenshot
19:03 * jcamins didn't write the theme, though, so couldn't say whether that was intentional.
19:04 jcamins Nope.
19:04 jcamins Not intentional.
19:04 jcamins rangi has it running on a server and OpacNav is on th eleft.
19:04 jcamins *the left
19:05 oleonard OpacNavRight also appears on the left :|
19:05 jcamins oleonard: OpacNavRight?
19:05 * jcamins has never heard of that.
19:06 oleonard It shows on the OPAC home page under the login form if you're not logged in
19:06 nengard all my navs - right and left and log in show at the bottom
19:06 jcamins Is it new? I can't recall ever noticing it.
19:07 oleonard Since 2012-06-20 jcamins
19:07 oleonard Bug 3708
19:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3708 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add another customizable region to the OPAC: right sidebar
19:07 jcamins So, fairly new.
19:07 nengard jcamins, rangi oleonard see the images i attached
19:09 jcamins Odd.
19:09 jcamins It almost looks like you triggered the "mobile" view on a regular-sized screen.
19:10 nengard k ? but that shouldn't happen
19:11 jcamins No it shouldn't, and I don't know how one could possibly do it, but that's what it looks like to me.
19:11 maximep that's weird :S
19:11 jcamins maximep: you're the expert on the theme. Any ideas?
19:12 maximep never tested with that new right sidebar
19:12 nengard it's not the right sidebar that's the problem
19:12 maximep or with QOTD
19:12 jcamins maximep: what about with the left sidebar.
19:12 nengard it's the left and the log in as well
19:12 nengard and all those things are in master and need to be tested with
19:13 nengard when 3.10 is released people are gonna jump on the new mobile option and then they're gonna see this in the browser and it'll be a big mess
19:13 mtj[…]-software-patents
19:14 maximep nothing can be perfect on the first time, but it's running fine for us
19:14 nengard agreed, but it needs to be closer to perfect before 3.10 is released
19:14 nengard @later tell magnuse regarding your message to me about bug 6030 ? can HTML be used in all notices but overdues?
19:14 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded.
19:15 maximep any way to see what you have ?
19:15 maximep public url ?
19:15 nengard nope it's my local VM
19:15 nengard I can do a screencast and share the source if you want
19:15 nengard or a DB dump
19:16 maximep well yeah, i guess with a db dump I could investigate further
19:16 * jcamins is going to theorize that probably the problem is the missing follow-up.
19:16 nengard maximep - you can see a bad on here:
19:17 nengard this has custom CSS, but the left and right columns are still not where they belong:
19:17 maximep lol wtf
19:17 nengard exactly
19:18 oleonard Impossible to see exactly where the problems are though with custom css
19:18 nengard that used to look like this:
19:18 nengard all I care about right now is the fact that the sidebars are at the bottom
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19:18 nengard i know that custom CSS will need to be altered
19:18 koyauni hi Koha,
19:18 jcamins nengard: does it look right with the follow-ups on bug 8623?
19:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8623 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
19:19 maximep 404 Not Found - http://catalog.bywatersolution[…]/lib/yui/skin.css"
19:19 koyauni my webserver has stopped working and there is no sign of why. when want to restart the web server I get the error message that /etc/koha/apache-shared.conf: No such file or directory Action 'sto
19:19 nengard jcamins i can't apply that patch
19:20 maximep that probably explains the problem
19:20 jcamins nengard: I will try rebasing it when I get a chance.
19:20 nengard maximep how do we get that file, all I did on my install was a fetch
19:20 koyauni I am not sure what has happened but all my web sites has stopped working as well,
19:20 nengard shouldn't it have come with that
19:20 jcamins nengard: that's the follow-up.
19:20 nengard I too get a 404 on my VM
19:21 jcamins Right. That's why we need the follow-up on bug 8623.
19:21 nengard k
19:21 * nengard needs to rant ?.
19:21 nengard I can't seem to document anything because every time i try i find a problem that has a follow up that i have to wait for ? getting frustrtated
19:22 maximep yeah we really had to rework tons of theme stuff the our new theme :/
19:22 maximep they had to be in different bugs
19:22 koyauni anyone has ran into prob like this that /etc/koha/apache-shared.conf just disappear and system stop working
19:22 oleonard jcamins: The patch for 8623 has a double encoding declaration
19:22 maximep never had a file disappear, no :p
19:22 jcamins koyauni: files don't "just disappear."
19:23 jcamins Either someone deleted it, or someone uninstalled Koha.
19:23 mtj … or plesk deleted it
19:23 jcamins mtj: right. Plesk.
19:24 jcamins koyauni: most likely Plesk did something that broke it.
19:24 mtj … after someone did…. something
19:24 jcamins oleonard: if you remove the second line, does it apply?
19:24 koyauni what is in apache-shared.conf
19:24 oleonard Yes
19:24 koyauni can I recreate that
19:25 jcamins koyauni: you'll have to reinstall the Koha package.
19:25 jcamins Fortunately, that's pretty easy with packages.
19:25 jcamins `sudo apt-get install koha-common`
19:25 koyauni :( that means everything we have done till now will wanish
19:25 oleonard nengard: Lots of problems are fixed by that patch to bug 8623
19:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8623 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
19:25 jcamins koyauni: probably not.
19:26 nengard okay
19:26 jcamins koyauni: you won't lose your data, unless Plesk screwed it up.
19:26 koyauni will it replace the DB
19:26 jcamins No.
19:26 jcamins Plesk might have, though.
19:26 jcamins This is why we all recommended against using Plesk.
19:27 koyauni we do not us Plesk, it comes with our Dedicated server as we run many other websites on the server
19:28 mtj nengard, my advice is… go easy on documenting enhancments that have outstanding 'dependencies' on other bugs
19:28 nengard i can't tell that from the commit messages :) I just read the commits and the db update messages and start to use the feature
19:28 nengard If I was reading all the bug reports I'd never get anything done :)
19:28 jcamins mtj: I'm not sure if there will be a dependency listed there, because 8597 didn't depend on the fix.
19:29 nengard but yeah, I think I'll just wait for a bunch more commits before moving forward
19:29 jcamins Then 8623 was pushed, by which time 8623 needed a follow-up.
19:31 oleonard So here's a question to ponder now that theme-handling has been updated, jcamins: In what way could the "prog" OPAC theme be revised to better serve as a default theme on which others are based?
19:32 jcamins oleonard: I shall have to ponder. :)\
19:32 koyauni so I need to go through this pain again then
19:32 libsysguy that is a pretty heavy question oleonard
19:32 koyauni[…]bzsJ3KT9H2JCfq6OQ
19:32 nengard i think this goes with what oleonard is asking ? why did we do a new theme for the browsers? Why wasn't a movile CSS added? Now everyone who has custom CSS off of the basic theme will have to redo their templates to be able to have a mobile version
19:32 jcamins koyauni: no. You need to run the command I just told you to.
19:33 oleonard nengard: Because the new theme incorporates the mobile and desktop versions in one set of templates
19:33 nengard I guess I just thought the new theme was based on the old one and added a mobile CSS
19:33 jcamins nengard: because we have seen *five* mobile interfaces written, and none was written in a way that would allow people to use both prog and the mobile CSS.
19:33 nengard I wonder why not
19:33 jcamins The code for this one was submitted to the community, though, which made it possible to make it into a theme.
19:34 nengard not blaming anyone in particular, but it seems like we're all making this too hard for the user
19:34 jcamins My theory is that mobile themes are the domain of art departments, which generally aren't really into sharing.
19:35 jcamins koyauni: that may not be sufficient, but if all that happened is that Koha got uninstalled, it will fix it.
19:35 nengard or usability ? but Koha is about both - sharing and usability
19:36 maximep our mobile view depended too much on our theme
19:36 oleonard nengard: Since they didn't share, we don't know how usable the other versions are
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19:36 maximep to be able to do a separated mobile.css easily
19:36 jcamins oleonard: masthead is the problematic one, I think.
19:36 koyauni it says , WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!   koha-common Install these packages without verification [y/N]?
19:37 mtj nengard, the mobile issue, and new ccsrs themes are different issues here, afaik
19:37 koyauni I guess I have no choice but say yes
19:37 nengard mtj, you only get the mobile css if you choose ccsr
19:37 jcamins koyauni: say yes, the same as you did last time. I would like to point out again that clearly something *very wrong* happened to your server, and you have no reason to expect that it won't happen again if you can't figure out how Koha was deleted.
19:37 nengard so i guess what we're saying is there is no mobile view for prog
19:37 oleonard That's right
19:37 wahanui I know.
19:37 jcamins wahanui: thank you.
19:37 wahanui jcamins: no worries
19:38 mtj nengard, yes, but… the mobile functionaily can be added to the prog theme later (and thats my point)
19:38 nengard okay
19:38 mtj yes, thats how it is, *currently*
19:38 nengard so when i document this i need to make it clear that if you have any custom css at all you don't want to use ccsr
19:38 koyauni good thing I did backup 3 days ago
19:38 nengard unless you want to customize that one too
19:39 jcamins nengard: right, it's a theme that includes a mobile view, not a mobile view.
19:39 nengard k
19:39 mtj ccsr should tagged as 'experimental' , i think - for this next release
19:39 * jcamins hopes that one day one of the other four mobile themes will be submitted and turn out to be CSS only.
19:40 jcamins Not holding my breath, though. :(
19:40 koyauni this will install 3.8.5 is not it
19:40 nengard not sure why we're waiting on others, why aren't one of us doing it (or getting sponsors to get us to do it)
19:41 oleonard If it were up to me we wouldn't simply add mobile CSS for prog, we would re-do prog with a new CSS framework
19:41 oleonard So I don't know if that would help you nengard, since custom CSS would still need to be revised.
19:41 nengard okay and what would that take?
19:41 jcamins nengard: I'm not doing it because I don't take that sort of project. As for why no one else is, I presume it's because no one wants to pay for it.
19:42 jcamins koyauni: probably, yes.
19:42 koyauni now it is installed
19:42 mtj im secrectly planning a bootstrap rewrite of the koha opac, soon-ish
19:43 oleonard Please not in secret
19:43 mtj (but thats a secret)
19:43 libsysguy heh^^
19:43 wajasu jcamins: i'm testing fines acrual for libsysguy and am using   git checkout -b finestest v3.08.05   (so that should be ok right?)
19:43 mtj so, yeah… its happening nengard , in baby steps (kaizen)
19:44 koyauni how do I run stop and restart the websever via SSH
19:44 jcamins oleonard: but it's the secret weapon of the Spanish Inquisition: bootstrap. Bootstrap, and comfy chairs.
19:44 mtj … the cssr themes are a great start to the opac rewrite
19:44 jcamins koyauni: since you use Plesk, I don't know. Usually I would run `sudo apache2ctl restart`
19:45 mtj … much hard-coded 'prog' stuff has been fixed/removed
19:45 koyauni it says httpd not running, trying to start
19:46 koyauni i guess I have to run that first
19:46 jcamins koyauni: no, that's okay. It said it was trying to start httpd.
19:46 jcamins Now check if it worked by trying to connect to the staff client.
19:47 koyauni :(
19:47 koyauni it says it is empty, GOD ! :(
19:49 koyauni that sounds strange I get that for all the domain I have, so something is not right
19:49 jcamins You can try disabling that site by running `sudo a2dissite default`
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19:50 koyauni well the nacked domain issue is back I guess the data is there
19:51 jcamins koyauni: sounds like Plesk is doing something. I can't offer any advice on that, sorry.
19:52 wajasu someone remind me what file hase the koha VERSION defined.
19:52 jcamins koyauni: you should check in your notes, see if you encountered this before.
19:52 jcamins wajasu:
19:52 wajasu how could i forget
19:52 koyauni yes, fixed :) hurray !
19:54 cait cait?
19:54 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero or signing off on wahanui's patch :) or confused, that's why i am asking, and we shout write it down somewhere
19:55 koyauni thanks jcamins
19:55 jcamins koyauni: you're welcome.
19:55 wajasu jcamins++
19:56 drojf i heard cait was somewhere with a dirndl
19:57 * wajasu starting up 3.8.5 for fine accrual testing
19:57 koyauni does this mean that we latest version now, Koha version:
19:57 drojf latest stable version, yes
19:59 cait apparently wahanui knows better :)
19:59 cait drojf: good news about the workshop :)
20:01 koyauni Do you guys think this instruction is save to run today[…]-Support-in-Zebra
20:07 rangi back
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20:09 rangi weird works fine for me
20:09 jcamins rangi: yeah, that's because you're testing bug 8263 for me.
20:09 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8263 enhancement, P5 - low, ---,, Pushed to Master , Make OPAC stylesheet preferences more consistent
20:09 jcamins 8623
20:09 jcamins Whatever.
20:12 rangi right
20:16 * wajasu got my v3.8.5 install running.  starting to get something to fine :)
20:19 libsysguy joined #koha
20:20 libsysguy w00t
20:20 libsysguy thanks wajasu
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20:25 sekjal howdy, #koha
20:25 jcamins Hey there, sekjal!
20:25 libsysguy sup sekjal
20:25 rangi heya sekjal
20:26 * wizzyrea does a double take
20:26 jcamins Myshkin pounds his head on the keyboard in greeting.
20:26 wizzyrea hehehehe
20:26 sekjal hey, all
20:27 sekjal had a couple quiet moments, wanted to pop in and see how folks are doing
20:27 libsysguy we are all still here :p
20:27 wizzyrea we miss you :)
20:28 oleonard Whatcha been workin' on sekjal?
20:28 sekjal mostly design work for the next iteration of the libraries' website, using SilverStripe
20:28 sekjal trying to install Umlaut (Ruby_on_Rails--)
20:29 sekjal lots of meetings
20:29 * cait waves at sekjal
20:29 oleonard meetings--
20:29 sekjal designed a headcounts tool for our learning commons, so they can go around with an iPad/tablet instead of writing it all down on paper
20:30 * sekjal waves to cait
20:30 cait sounds fun :)
20:30 rangi libsysguy:[…]oord-mutrix-remix
20:31 libsysguy excellent I've been needing some rangi music
20:31 libsysguy this is why im hot is old
20:31 libsysguy but this is a good mix
20:32 rangi not this version isnt old
20:32 rangi the original is, by mims
20:33 libsysguy yeah I remember when the original came out
20:33 libsysguy I was in Jr. High :p
20:37 wizzyrea omg you are old.
20:37 wizzyrea >.>
20:37 wizzyrea <.<
20:38 jcamins lol
20:38 jcamins libsysguy: you're lucky wizzyrea didn't just kick you for that.
20:38 rangi also[…]mpire-noisia-feed
20:39 wizzyrea oh I like that one
20:39 libsysguy wizzyrea is always picking on me
20:39 libsysguy :'(
20:39 wizzyrea but I lurve you
20:39 libsysguy mmhmmm
20:40 * oleonard waves goodbye to #koha
20:40 wajasu libsysguy: i added a stident, checked out two books, due 1 and 2 days prior to today.  i ran  misc/cronjobs/  i see each has a $5.00 charge, with a total of 10.00
20:40 wizzyrea byee oleonard
20:40 libsysguy well, that is certainly unexpected
20:40 cait have a good evening oleonard
20:40 wizzyrea not if you have the defaults
20:40 wizzyrea they have rental charges
20:40 wizzyrea on the item type definitions
20:41 wizzyrea in the sample data
20:42 wajasu libsysguy: the $5.oo charge is a rental charge i believe.     my circ rules charge 1.50 each day with no grace aor suspension for all
20:43 libsysguy but the charges were applied and correct
20:43 wajasu should i do query against some mysql table?
20:44 wajasu to confirm?
20:44 libsysguy nah
20:45 libsysguy if its showing up its there
20:45 cait libsysguy: finesmode setting?
20:45 libsysguy charge and apply
20:45 cait hmm
20:45 wajasu the only thing in 3.8.5 yet is the overdue_notice patch to show fines.
20:45 libsysguy well maybe it is a setting
20:45 libsysguy I'll go double check my stuff
20:46 wajasu i see my environment is cal for admin only (default)
20:48 cait wajasu: it shouldn#t show up on the account then
20:48 wajasu right.
20:48 wajasu do you know what table holds the fines?
20:49 sekjal gtg, #koha.  Have a lovely [localtime]!
20:49 cait accountlines
20:49 wajasu ok. only 2  $5.00 charges
20:49 wajasu where are the rental charges configured?
20:50 wizzyrea in the item type definitions
20:50 wizzyrea under administration -> item types
20:50 wajasu ok
20:50 cait hm
20:50 cait are we talking overdue fines or rental charges?
20:51 wizzyrea rental charges are what he's seeing
20:51 cait oh
20:51 wajasu out of the box, rental charges are what i see.   of course no fines applied yet for me because I don't have calc and charge set yet.
20:52 wajasu i'll wait for libsysguy to come back with an answer about his environment.
20:54 magnuse @later tell nengard i'm not sure which notices work with html and which don't, but overdues do not work, at least
20:54 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
20:55 wajasu i see 8378 is needs signoff for 3.8.5.  it got pushed to master, and i just attached a patch for 3.8.5 so it applies.  so i guess someone else need to signoff.  though maybe it should be signed off,
20:55 jcamins wajasu: check with rangi, but usually it should be left at Pushed to Master.
20:56 jcamins mizstik++
20:56 wajasu it was, but QA folks reassigned it to 3.8 to keep track of it.
20:57 jcamins Oh, okay. I didn't look at the bug.
20:57 rangi its a 9kb patch
20:57 rangi it needs to be signed off
20:57 jcamins Wow!
20:57 rangi as working on 3.8.x
20:57 rangi before i will look at it
20:57 jcamins bug 8378
20:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
20:57 jcamins Oh, yeah, that one's pretty massive.
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20:57 rangi so needs signoff is the right status
20:58 wajasu but by someone else other than me, since i wrote it.
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20:59 rangi yes
21:01 magnuse have a fun night or other time of the day #koha!
21:01 * jcamins would probably save that for 3.10, actually.
21:01 cait night magnuse
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21:01 wajasu it not that big. the pods are the bulk of it.  plus i didn't see anything functionally different between the in master that would cause it to break.
21:01 wajasu its already going for 3.10 if its in master, right?
21:01 jcamins Right.
21:02 jcamins A change like that, I'd probably tell people "just wait until 3.10 comes out."
21:03 jcamins Didn't you redo the entire notice system, essentially?
21:03 wajasu no.  i was going to do that later once I went through the process.
21:03 rangi well you kinda did
21:04 rangi GetProcessedLetter is a whole new thing
21:04 rangi and it needs to be tested with all other notices that use C4::Letter
21:04 rangi not just fines
21:06 wajasu all i did was break the prior existing routine up, because I had to preprocess before the <fines> was stripped out.
21:06 rangi yep, thats doing a bit more than adding pod :)
21:07 rangi and it needs a lot of testing in all notices, not just fines
21:07 wajasu i was going to just fix it in overdues, but i realized all notices have the problem of not being stored if certain unicode chars weren't NFC normailzed.
21:08 rangi thats fine, all I am saying is it does change things quite a lot, and needs lots of testing, before ill consider pushing it to 3.8.x
21:08 wajasu you are correct.
21:08 wajasu risky business.
21:08 rangi yes
21:08 rangi with the potential to break something like circ notices, and no one noticing until after release
21:08 wajasu so you could wait until 3.10, and if it succeeds, push it to 3.8 ;)
21:09 rangi potentially, if it had been demonstrated to work fine on 3.8.x :)
21:09 rangi rmaints should be even more cautious than RM
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21:10 wajasu i forgot you are maintaining prod.
21:12 rangi[…]oo-comparison.png
21:14 wajasu hmm
21:16 wizzyrea heh
21:16 * jcamins thinks that's familiar.
21:16 koyauni guys here  says that Add ICU option to Koha out of the box (7698)       during installation, you now have an option to use ICU. ICU is a unicode library that improve a lot zebra search engine for non latin alphabet catalogue
21:16 koyauni but I did not get this option during installation
21:17 koyauni do I miss something here
21:19 cait koyauni: were you using the packages?
21:20 koyauni yes I installed common package
21:20 koyauni V 3.8.5
21:20 cait at the moment you can't activate icu with the packages
21:20 cait well you can activate it
21:21 libsysguy joined #koha
21:21 cait but there is no ... switch in the installation process
21:21 koyauni :) how
21:21 cait you can change the files later on
21:21 koyauni yes that what I mean, it did not give me that option
21:21 cait I am not totally sure how to do it
21:22 koyauni I found this,[…]-Support-in-Zebra  do think it is a valid process or it is too old
21:22 cait my coworker did and don't have access to the documentation right now
21:23 cait hm
21:23 cait I am not sure it's tottally correct
21:23 cait especially the paths
21:23 cait the icu files are there now, you only have to add the right paths in the right config file I think
21:24 koyauni I posted this in hope someone will be able to help http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]-5-td5728633.html
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21:25 cait koyauni: looking at the patch I think you only have to change 2 lines in a file
21:25 cait http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/016503.html
21:25 koyauni I  might need Arabic koha community but I can not write in Arbic
21:25 wizzyrea ping druthb
21:25 cait default.idx
21:25 koyauni so, I give it go, which line is it please
21:25 wizzyrea ICU question
21:27 cait if you look at the default.idx file
21:27 cait and the patch
21:27 wahanui the patch is in koha-patches
21:27 cait you see what you have to change
21:27 cait in my installation the last lines for the first 2 paragraphs are
21:27 cait icuchain words-icu.xml
21:27 cait you probably have charmap word-phrase-utf.chr there
21:28 koyauni let me find it please
21:28 cait and not sure that is enough
21:28 cait someone else might know better
21:29 JesseM larryb_DND i think there is something else up with Detiot Baptist
21:29 JesseM you want to take a look
21:30 koyauni I can not locate idex.idx
21:30 koyauni index
21:32 cait the file name is
21:32 cait default.idx
21:33 cait it should  be in /etc/koha/zebradb
21:33 koyauni yes I found it http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]-5-td5728633.html
21:33 koyauni sorry
21:34 koyauni yes it in /etc/koha/zebradb/
21:35 cait maybe comment the old lines before you put in the icu configuraton line
21:35 cait so you can switch back easier if it doesn#t work
21:38 koyauni this is my default.idx  now
21:43 koyauni it is sound that mine is not the same as yours , I do not see icuchain words-icu.xml
21:43 cait hm the link does not work for me
21:43 cait you shouldn't see the icu line
21:43 cait because that's what you have to put in htere
21:43 cait instead of the charmap line
21:44 koyauni try this please see if you can see it
21:44 cait it should replace charmap word-phrase-utf.chr
21:44 cait do you understand?
21:45 koyauni replace it with what, sorry?
21:45 cait comment the charmap liines in the 2 bigger first paragraphs by writing a # in front of it
21:46 cait then add a new line under those lines with icuchain words-icu.xml
21:47 eythian hi
21:47 koyauni I did this please see if it is correct
21:47 cait something like this
21:47 cait
21:47 cait yes, I think this is it
21:47 cait i hope it wokrs
21:47 cait you will want to reindex
21:48 cait and check it does work
21:48 cait good morning eythian
21:49 koyauni ok, cross the finger then :)
21:49 jcamins Is it possible to set $hash{undef}?
21:49 jcamins Or $hash{''}
21:49 wajasu reading about the non-icu words.xml mapping, i wonder if we should just write a tool that a library can run which scans al the searchable fields, and detect diacritics, and generates a word.xml mapping file.
21:50 cait wajasu: with icu you don't need a mapping file
21:50 eythian hi cait
21:50 jcamins wajasu: I think probably using ICU is preferable.
21:50 jcamins Hi, eythian.
21:50 koyauni how do I re-index Zebra please
21:50 eythian hello jcamins
21:50 cait eythian: i saw that about the dirndl
21:50 cait cait?
21:50 wahanui you are in Munich in a Dirndl
21:50 wajasu ok. icu it is then.
21:50 * cait glares
21:51 jcamins What's a Dirndl?
21:51 cait a bavarian dress
21:52 drojf cait?
21:52 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero or signing off on wahanui's patch :) or confused, that's why i am asking, and we shout write it down somewhere
21:52 drojf lol
21:53 * drojf goes to bed, dreaming of cait in a dirndl
21:54 koyauni shall I run this for reindexing zebra now # sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v
21:54 cait oh no
21:54 cait nightmares!!
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21:57 eythian haha
21:59 koyauni I ran # sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v , how long does take this to finish
21:59 cait it depends on your machine and the number of records
21:59 eythian koyauni: typically "a while"
22:00 cait eythian: hm, do you need sudo there?
22:00 eythian 2 or 3 minutes for a smallish database, an hour for a big one.
22:00 jcamins Yes.
22:00 cait I haven't used it yet
22:00 eythian cait: yep
22:00 cait ah ok
22:00 rangi and you need the instance name too
22:00 eythian that too, yes
22:00 rangi or it wont do anything
22:00 cait koyauni: your command was incomplete
22:01 koyauni no I do not get any results  , may be it is still indexing :)
22:01 cait you have to include the name of your koha instance
22:01 eythian also, you should see it talking to you
22:01 koyauni ohh sorry, what should it be please
22:03 eythian your instance name needs to be on the end of the command
22:04 koyauni # sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v library
22:04 koyauni is that it
22:04 eythian see 'man koha-rebuild-zebra' for detail
22:04 eythian yeah
22:05 koyauni now I can see that is does something
22:05 eythian[…]e_Debian_packages <-- koyauni, this may also be useful
22:05 eythian wahanui: package commands
22:05 wahanui eythian: sorry...
22:06 eythian wahanui: package commands is <reply>They have manual pages, and you can look here:[…]e_Debian_packages
22:06 wahanui OK, eythian.
22:06 eythian no wahanui, package commands is <reply>They have man pages, and you can look here:[…]e_Debian_packages
22:06 wahanui okay, eythian.
22:08 koyauni now it is done Records exported: 17086 , but the search does nor work :(
22:08 koyauni no result is shown
22:09 eythian has it finished?
22:09 eythian do you have your command prompt back?
22:09 eythian because the second stage doesn't provide output (annoyingly) until it's done.
22:10 koyauni yes, it is back
22:10 eythian it's also worth doing: sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart
22:10 eythian (it's an easy way to fix a common problem of the zebra daemon not running)
22:12 koyauni did that but still no result shown, please search for word Java at
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22:13 pastebot "wajasu" at pasted "libsysguy 3.8.5 fines accrual test." (27 lines) at
22:14 koyauni this means the ICU attempt did not work,
22:14 eythian oh, you've been changing configs? Maybe you did that wrong. Do the error logs show anything?
22:14 * eythian doesn't really know much about ICU, won't be able to help.
22:15 wajasu @later tell libsysguy      for your test
22:15 huginn wajasu: The operation succeeded.
22:15 koyauni well we did that with Cat
22:16 koyauni see it here I commented the lines in two first paragraph
22:16 koyauni to enable ICU for Zebra
22:17 eythian I don't know ICU, so don't know if that's likely to cause this or not.
22:17 wajasu i was testing tcohen's koha-common .deb for him, and he's probably sleeping now.  i set up a debian squeeze, with just mysql and apache. then did apt-get update, apt-get -f install. ok. but...
22:18 koyauni well it was fully functioned for English/Ltain search, but not for Arabic so we though this might do it, I just reinstate the file again,
22:18 wajasu when i did    dpkg -i  new-koha-common.deb   i got a slew of missing perl dependencies errors.  shouldn't the package list them and kick off an install of those deps?
22:21 cait hm sorry it didn't work
22:21 cait was just reading back
22:21 eythian wajasu: no, it shouldn't
22:22 eythian because dpkg doesn't do that
22:22 eythian only apt does that
22:22 eythian however, I think if you do something like apt-get -f install afterwards, it'll pull them in.
22:22 wajasu let me see.  i recall that behavior.
22:23 eythian (I'm not sure about that command, I haven't had to do that in some time)
22:23 koyauni well I had to reinstate it and now it is working again for English only
22:23 cait koyauni: hm now it works for me - your opac
22:23 koyauni http://library.koyauniversity.[…]
22:24 koyauni just for English,
22:24 koyauni it did not work for arabic
22:24 koyauni and whole search just stop working
22:24 koyauni I had to undo what we did
22:25 eythian does adding "icuchain words-icu.xml" mean anything to anyone who's done ICU?
22:26 koyauni you see if you search in Arabic it show all 12000 records in the DB http://library.koyauniversity.[…]D9%85%DB%8C%D8%A7
22:26 jcamins eythian: I know it's definitely necessary.
22:27 eythian oh, and it's in the config. koyauni, do you have the words-icu.xml file in there?
22:27 cait oh right, we should have checked the path
22:28 koyauni :) I do not know, I thought this should be part of he pack
22:29 cait the file should be in the same directory as the default.idx
22:29 cait words-icu.xml
22:30 koyauni where should I look for that file please
22:30 cait in the same directory you found the file you changed
22:31 eythian find /etc/koha -name default.idx
22:31 koyauni ohh, I see I can see it in /etc/koha/zebradb/etc
22:31 rangi mtj++
22:31 koyauni it is in the same dir as default.idx
22:33 cait eythian: I was looking at this: http://lists.koha-community.or[…]ember/016503.html
22:34 cait but not sure about the paths for a package install
22:34 cait I know uli managed to activate icu in one, but not sure what else was involved
22:34 eythian cait: that's what I was looking at too.
22:34 eythian I'm not sure, I've never done ICU.
22:36 koyauni I think this should be a default function in Koha, today there is no library with pure Latin records,
22:38 koyauni if we did the process correctly then maybe the indexing had issue that is why it did not work
22:38 eythian There are here :)
22:39 koyauni what is here ?
22:39 wahanui i think here is where I work
22:39 eythian here is NZ
22:40 koyauni well, it is 1.37am my time in North Iraq now, and your morning has already started
22:41 koyauni guys thank you, I see how we can fix the arabic indexing issue later
22:42 eythian g'luck
22:42 eythian and goodnight
22:42 cait good night koyauni
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22:44 koyauni good night, and good morning to you,
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22:48 wajasu eythian: thanks.  tcohen's .deb installed  after the apt-get -f install      i suppose he would want me to koha-create to test it out.
22:48 eythian np
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23:43 jcamins_away mtj: if you're QAing things, bug 8623 could use some attention.
23:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8623 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
23:43 jcamins_away Also..
23:43 mtj yep, will do :)
23:43 jcamins_away bug 8622?
23:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha themes broken
23:43 jcamins_away No.
23:43 jcamins_away Bug 8827
23:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8827 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , YUI CSS files no longer found on Yahoo servers
23:44 mtj whats up with kyles dev box? -> fatal: cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8
23:45 jcamins_away mtj: he has the old, unneeded header thing.
23:45 wajasu is that the git .config format header thing
23:45 jcamins_away Just remove one of the encoding lines.
23:45 jcamins_away Yeah.
23:45 jcamins_away It'll be fixed in the next version of git.
23:48 wajasu his git is upgraded with the fix, so if you remove it, it won't cause that problem for those of us in newer git versions. (it was needed when he had aan earlier git version).
23:49 jcamins_away wajasu: no, I mean it won't matter with the next version of git, because it won't concatenate the headings.
23:49 jcamins_away *headers
23:50 wajasu i'm stuck. i ran koha-create --create-db dog  and enabled the site, mod rewrite etc.   but my site is unavailable for maintenance on 8080
23:50 wajasu i'm testing tcohen's  koha-common.deb
23:50 jcamins_away wajasu: you have to go through the installer.
23:50 jcamins_away It's just the same as any other package install.
23:50 wajasu but the 8080, won't show to run ithe web installer.
23:51 wajasu don't see anything in the logs.
23:52 wajasu was able to check that mysql connects with koha-conf.xml password.
23:53 jcamins_away If you're seeing a maintenance message then you're connecting to the OPAC.
23:59 mtj jcamins, thanks for the git info, too

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