Time Nick Message
23:59 mtj jcamins, thanks for the git info, too
23:53 jcamins_away If you're seeing a maintenance message then you're connecting to the OPAC.
23:52 wajasu was able to check that mysql connects with koha-conf.xml password.
23:51 wajasu don't see anything in the logs.
23:50 wajasu but the 8080, won't show to run ithe web installer.
23:50 jcamins_away It's just the same as any other package install.
23:50 jcamins_away wajasu: you have to go through the installer.
23:50 wajasu i'm testing tcohen's koha-common.deb
23:50 wajasu i'm stuck. i ran koha-create --create-db dog and enabled the site, mod rewrite etc. but my site is unavailable for maintenance on 8080
23:49 jcamins_away *headers
23:49 jcamins_away wajasu: no, I mean it won't matter with the next version of git, because it won't concatenate the headings.
23:48 wajasu his git is upgraded with the fix, so if you remove it, it won't cause that problem for those of us in newer git versions. (it was needed when he had aan earlier git version).
23:45 jcamins_away It'll be fixed in the next version of git.
23:45 jcamins_away Yeah.
23:45 jcamins_away Just remove one of the encoding lines.
23:45 wajasu is that the git .config format header thing
23:45 jcamins_away mtj: he has the old, unneeded header thing.
23:44 mtj whats up with kyles dev box? -> fatal: cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8
23:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8827 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , YUI CSS files no longer found on Yahoo servers
23:43 jcamins_away Bug 8827
23:43 jcamins_away No.
23:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha themes broken
23:43 jcamins_away bug 8622?
23:43 mtj yep, will do :)
23:43 jcamins_away Also..
23:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
23:43 jcamins_away mtj: if you're QAing things, bug 8623 could use some attention.
22:48 eythian np
22:48 wajasu eythian: thanks. tcohen's .deb installed after the apt-get -f install i suppose he would want me to koha-create to test it out.
22:44 koyauni good night, and good morning to you,
22:42 cait good night koyauni
22:42 eythian and goodnight
22:42 eythian g'luck
22:41 koyauni guys thank you, I see how we can fix the arabic indexing issue later
22:40 koyauni well, it is 1.37am my time in North Iraq now, and your morning has already started
22:39 eythian here is NZ
22:39 wahanui i think here is where I work
22:39 koyauni what is here ?
22:38 eythian There are here :)
22:38 koyauni if we did the process correctly then maybe the indexing had issue that is why it did not work
22:36 koyauni I think this should be a default function in Koha, today there is no library with pure Latin records,
22:34 eythian I'm not sure, I've never done ICU.
22:34 eythian cait: that's what I was looking at too.
22:34 cait I know uli managed to activate icu in one, but not sure what else was involved
22:34 cait but not sure about the paths for a package install
22:33 cait eythian: I was looking at this: http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2011-December/016503.html
22:31 koyauni it is in the same dir as default.idx
22:31 rangi mtj++
22:31 koyauni ohh, I see I can see it in /etc/koha/zebradb/etc
22:31 eythian find /etc/koha -name default.idx
22:30 cait in the same directory you found the file you changed
22:30 koyauni where should I look for that file please
22:29 cait words-icu.xml
22:29 cait the file should be in the same directory as the default.idx
22:28 koyauni :) I do not know, I thought this should be part of he pack
22:27 cait oh right, we should have checked the path
22:27 eythian oh, and it's in the config. koyauni, do you have the words-icu.xml file in there?
22:26 jcamins eythian: I know it's definitely necessary.
22:26 koyauni you see if you search in Arabic it show all 12000 records in the DB http://library.koyauniversity.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=%DA%A9%DB%8C%D9%85%DB%8C%D8%A7
22:25 eythian does adding "icuchain words-icu.xml" mean anything to anyone who's done ICU?
22:24 koyauni I had to undo what we did
22:24 koyauni and whole search just stop working
22:24 koyauni it did not work for arabic
22:24 koyauni just for English,
22:23 koyauni http://library.koyauniversity.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=java
22:23 cait koyauni: hm now it works for me - your opac
22:23 koyauni well I had to reinstate it and now it is working again for English only
22:23 eythian (I'm not sure about that command, I haven't had to do that in some time)
22:22 wajasu let me see. i recall that behavior.
22:22 eythian however, I think if you do something like apt-get -f install afterwards, it'll pull them in.
22:22 eythian only apt does that
22:22 eythian because dpkg doesn't do that
22:21 eythian wajasu: no, it shouldn't
22:21 cait was just reading back
22:21 cait hm sorry it didn't work
22:18 wajasu when i did dpkg -i new-koha-common.deb i got a slew of missing perl dependencies errors. shouldn't the package list them and kick off an install of those deps?
22:18 koyauni well it was fully functioned for English/Ltain search, but not for Arabic so we though this might do it, I just reinstate the file again,
22:17 wajasu i was testing tcohen's koha-common .deb for him, and he's probably sleeping now. i set up a debian squeeze, with just mysql and apache. then did apt-get update, apt-get -f install. ok. but...
22:17 eythian I don't know ICU, so don't know if that's likely to cause this or not.
22:16 koyauni to enable ICU for Zebra
22:16 koyauni see it here I commented the lines in two first paragraph http://kl1p.com/koyauni
22:15 koyauni well we did that with Cat
22:15 huginn wajasu: The operation succeeded.
22:15 wajasu @later tell libsysguy http://paste.koha-community.org/210 for your test
22:14 * eythian doesn't really know much about ICU, won't be able to help.
22:14 eythian oh, you've been changing configs? Maybe you did that wrong. Do the error logs show anything?
22:14 koyauni this means the ICU attempt did not work,
22:13 pastebot "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "libsysguy 3.8.5 fines accrual test." (27 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/210
22:12 koyauni did that but still no result shown, please search for word Java at http://library.koyauniversity.org/
22:10 eythian (it's an easy way to fix a common problem of the zebra daemon not running)
22:10 eythian it's also worth doing: sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart
22:10 koyauni yes, it is back
22:09 eythian because the second stage doesn't provide output (annoyingly) until it's done.
22:09 eythian do you have your command prompt back?
22:09 eythian has it finished?
22:08 koyauni no result is shown
22:08 koyauni now it is done Records exported: 17086 , but the search does nor work :(
22:06 wahanui okay, eythian.
22:06 eythian no wahanui, package commands is <reply>They have man pages, and you can look here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages
22:06 wahanui OK, eythian.
22:06 eythian wahanui: package commands is <reply>They have manual pages, and you can look here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages
22:05 wahanui eythian: sorry...
22:05 eythian wahanui: package commands
22:05 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages <-- koyauni, this may also be useful
22:05 koyauni now I can see that is does something
22:04 eythian yeah
22:04 eythian see 'man koha-rebuild-zebra' for detail
22:04 koyauni is that it
22:04 koyauni # sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v library
22:03 eythian your instance name needs to be on the end of the command
22:01 koyauni ohh sorry, what should it be please
22:01 eythian also, you should see it talking to you
22:01 cait you have to include the name of your koha instance
22:01 koyauni no I do not get any results http://library.koyauniversity.org/ , may be it is still indexing :)
22:00 cait koyauni: your command was incomplete
22:00 rangi or it wont do anything
22:00 eythian that too, yes
22:00 rangi and you need the instance name too
22:00 cait ah ok
22:00 eythian cait: yep
22:00 cait I haven't used it yet
22:00 jcamins Yes.
22:00 eythian 2 or 3 minutes for a smallish database, an hour for a big one.
22:00 cait eythian: hm, do you need sudo there?
21:59 eythian koyauni: typically "a while"
21:59 cait it depends on your machine and the number of records
21:59 koyauni I ran # sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v , how long does take this to finish
21:57 eythian haha
21:54 cait nightmares!!
21:54 cait oh no
21:54 koyauni shall I run this for reindexing zebra now # sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v
21:53 * drojf goes to bed, dreaming of cait in a dirndl
21:52 drojf lol
21:52 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero or signing off on wahanui's patch :) or confused, that's why i am asking, and we shout write it down somewhere
21:52 drojf cait?
21:51 cait a bavarian dress
21:51 jcamins What's a Dirndl?
21:50 * cait glares
21:50 wajasu ok. icu it is then.
21:50 wahanui you are in Munich in a Dirndl
21:50 cait cait?
21:50 cait eythian: i saw that about the dirndl
21:50 eythian hello jcamins
21:50 koyauni how do I re-index Zebra please
21:50 jcamins Hi, eythian.
21:50 jcamins wajasu: I think probably using ICU is preferable.
21:50 eythian hi cait
21:50 cait wajasu: with icu you don't need a mapping file
21:49 wajasu reading about the non-icu words.xml mapping, i wonder if we should just write a tool that a library can run which scans al the searchable fields, and detect diacritics, and generates a word.xml mapping file.
21:49 jcamins Or $hash{''}
21:49 jcamins Is it possible to set $hash{undef}?
21:49 koyauni ok, cross the finger then :)
21:48 cait good morning eythian
21:48 cait and check it does work
21:47 cait you will want to reindex
21:47 cait i hope it wokrs
21:47 cait yes, I think this is it
21:47 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/209
21:47 cait something like this
21:47 koyauni I did this please see if it is correct http://kl1p.com/koyauni
21:47 eythian hi
21:46 cait then add a new line under those lines with icuchain words-icu.xml
21:45 cait comment the charmap liines in the 2 bigger first paragraphs by writing a # in front of it
21:45 koyauni replace it with what, sorry?
21:44 cait do you understand?
21:44 cait it should replace charmap word-phrase-utf.chr
21:44 koyauni try this please see if you can see it http://kl1p.com/koyauni
21:43 cait instead of the charmap line
21:43 cait because that's what you have to put in htere
21:43 cait you shouldn't see the icu line
21:43 cait hm the link does not work for me
21:43 koyauni it is sound that mine is not the same as yours , I do not see icuchain words-icu.xml
21:38 koyauni this is my default.idx now http://kl1p.com/aQO
21:35 cait so you can switch back easier if it doesn#t work
21:35 cait maybe comment the old lines before you put in the icu configuraton line
21:34 koyauni yes it in /etc/koha/zebradb/
21:33 koyauni sorry
21:33 koyauni yes I found it http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Indexing-non-Latin-records-in-Koha-3-8-5-td5728633.html
21:33 cait it should be in /etc/koha/zebradb
21:32 cait default.idx
21:32 cait the file name is
21:30 koyauni index
21:30 koyauni I can not locate idex.idx
21:29 JesseM you want to take a look
21:29 JesseM larryb_DND i think there is something else up with Detiot Baptist
21:28 cait someone else might know better
21:28 cait and not sure that is enough
21:28 koyauni let me find it please
21:27 cait you probably have charmap word-phrase-utf.chr there
21:27 cait icuchain words-icu.xml
21:27 cait in my installation the last lines for the first 2 paragraphs are
21:27 cait you see what you have to change
21:27 wahanui the patch is in koha-patches
21:27 cait and the patch
21:27 cait if you look at the default.idx file
21:25 wizzyrea ICU question
21:25 koyauni so, I give it go, which line is it please
21:25 cait default.idx
21:25 wizzyrea ping druthb
21:25 koyauni I might need Arabic koha community but I can not write in Arbic
21:25 cait http://lists.koha-community.org/pipermail/koha-patches/2011-December/016503.html
21:25 cait koyauni: looking at the patch I think you only have to change 2 lines in a file
21:24 koyauni I posted this in hope someone will be able to help http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.com/Indexing-non-Latin-records-in-Koha-3-8-5-td5728633.html
21:23 cait the icu files are there now, you only have to add the right paths in the right config file I think
21:23 cait especially the paths
21:23 cait I am not sure it's tottally correct
21:23 cait hm
21:22 cait my coworker did and don't have access to the documentation right now
21:22 koyauni I found this, http://www.scribd.com/doc/45190333/ICU-Support-in-Zebra do think it is a valid process or it is too old
21:21 cait I am not totally sure how to do it
21:21 koyauni yes that what I mean, it did not give me that option
21:21 cait you can change the files later on
21:21 koyauni :) how
21:21 cait but there is no ... switch in the installation process
21:20 cait well you can activate it
21:20 cait at the moment you can't activate icu with the packages
21:20 koyauni V 3.8.5
21:20 koyauni yes I installed common package
21:19 cait koyauni: were you using the packages?
21:17 koyauni do I miss something here
21:16 koyauni but I did not get this option during installation
21:16 koyauni guys here http://koha-community.org/koha-3-8-0-released/ says that Add ICU option to Koha out of the box (7698) during installation, you now have an option to use ICU. ICU is a unicode library that improve a lot zebra search engine for non latin alphabet catalogue
21:16 * jcamins thinks that's familiar.
21:16 wizzyrea heh
21:14 wajasu hmm
21:12 rangi http://people.gnome.org/~michael/images/2012-04-25-ooo-comparison.png
21:10 wajasu i forgot you are maintaining prod.
21:09 rangi rmaints should be even more cautious than RM
21:09 rangi potentially, if it had been demonstrated to work fine on 3.8.x :)
21:08 wajasu so you could wait until 3.10, and if it succeeds, push it to 3.8 ;)
21:08 rangi with the potential to break something like circ notices, and no one noticing until after release
21:08 rangi yes
21:08 wajasu risky business.
21:08 wajasu you are correct.
21:08 rangi thats fine, all I am saying is it does change things quite a lot, and needs lots of testing, before ill consider pushing it to 3.8.x
21:07 wajasu i was going to just fix it in overdues, but i realized all notices have the problem of not being stored if certain unicode chars weren't NFC normailzed.
21:07 rangi and it needs a lot of testing in all notices, not just fines
21:06 rangi yep, thats doing a bit more than adding pod :)
21:06 wajasu all i did was break the prior existing routine up, because I had to preprocess before the <fines> was stripped out.
21:04 rangi not just fines
21:04 rangi and it needs to be tested with all other notices that use C4::Letter
21:04 rangi GetProcessedLetter is a whole new thing
21:03 rangi well you kinda did
21:03 wajasu no. i was going to do that later once I went through the process.
21:03 jcamins Didn't you redo the entire notice system, essentially?
21:02 jcamins A change like that, I'd probably tell people "just wait until 3.10 comes out."
21:01 jcamins Right.
21:01 wajasu its already going for 3.10 if its in master, right?
21:01 wajasu it not that big. the pods are the bulk of it. plus i didn't see anything functionally different between the overdue_notice.pl in master that would cause it to break.
21:01 cait night magnuse
21:01 * jcamins would probably save that for 3.10, actually.
21:01 magnuse have a fun night or other time of the day #koha!
20:59 rangi yes
20:58 wajasu but by someone else other than me, since i wrote it.
20:57 rangi so needs signoff is the right status
20:57 jcamins Oh, yeah, that one's pretty massive.
20:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8378 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore
20:57 jcamins bug 8378
20:57 rangi before i will look at it
20:57 rangi as working on 3.8.x
20:57 jcamins Wow!
20:57 rangi it needs to be signed off
20:57 rangi its a 9kb patch
20:57 jcamins Oh, okay. I didn't look at the bug.
20:56 wajasu it was, but QA folks reassigned it to 3.8 to keep track of it.
20:56 jcamins mizstik++
20:55 jcamins wajasu: check with rangi, but usually it should be left at Pushed to Master.
20:55 wajasu i see 8378 is needs signoff for 3.8.5. it got pushed to master, and i just attached a patch for 3.8.5 so it applies. so i guess someone else need to signoff. though maybe it should be signed off,
20:54 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
20:54 magnuse @later tell nengard i'm not sure which notices work with html and which don't, but overdues do not work, at least
20:52 wajasu i'll wait for libsysguy to come back with an answer about his environment.
20:51 wajasu out of the box, rental charges are what i see. of course no fines applied yet for me because I don't have calc and charge set yet.
20:51 cait oh
20:51 wizzyrea rental charges are what he's seeing
20:50 cait are we talking overdue fines or rental charges?
20:50 cait hm
20:50 wajasu ok
20:50 wizzyrea under administration -> item types
20:50 wizzyrea in the item type definitions
20:49 wajasu where are the rental charges configured?
20:49 wajasu ok. only 2 $5.00 charges
20:49 cait accountlines
20:49 sekjal gtg, #koha. Have a lovely [localtime]!
20:48 wajasu do you know what table holds the fines?
20:48 wajasu right.
20:48 cait wajasu: it shouldn#t show up on the account then
20:46 wajasu i see my environment is cal for admin only (default)
20:45 libsysguy I'll go double check my stuff
20:45 libsysguy well maybe it is a setting
20:45 wajasu the only thing in 3.8.5 yet is the overdue_notice patch to show fines.
20:45 cait hmm
20:45 libsysguy charge and apply
20:45 cait libsysguy: finesmode setting?
20:45 libsysguy if its showing up its there
20:44 libsysguy nah
20:44 wajasu to confirm?
20:43 wajasu should i do query against some mysql table?
20:43 libsysguy but the charges were applied and correct
20:42 wajasu libsysguy: the $5.oo charge is a rental charge i believe. my circ rules charge 1.50 each day with no grace aor suspension for all
20:41 wizzyrea in the sample data
20:40 wizzyrea on the item type definitions
20:40 wizzyrea they have rental charges
20:40 wizzyrea not if you have the defaults
20:40 cait have a good evening oleonard
20:40 libsysguy well, that is certainly unexpected
20:40 wizzyrea byee oleonard
20:40 wajasu libsysguy: i added a stident, checked out two books, due 1 and 2 days prior to today. i ran misc/cronjobs/files.pl. i see each has a $5.00 charge, with a total of 10.00
20:40 * oleonard waves goodbye to #koha
20:39 libsysguy mmhmmm
20:39 wizzyrea but I lurve you
20:39 libsysguy :'(
20:39 libsysguy wizzyrea is always picking on me
20:39 wizzyrea oh I like that one
20:38 rangi also http://soundcloud.com/noisia/black-sun-empire-noisia-feed
20:38 jcamins libsysguy: you're lucky wizzyrea didn't just kick you for that.
20:38 jcamins lol
20:37 wizzyrea <.<
20:37 wizzyrea >.>
20:37 wizzyrea omg you are old.
20:33 libsysguy I was in Jr. High :p
20:33 libsysguy yeah I remember when the original came out
20:32 rangi the original is, by mims
20:32 rangi not this version isnt old
20:31 libsysguy but this is a good mix
20:31 libsysguy this is why im hot is old
20:31 libsysguy excellent I've been needing some rangi music
20:30 rangi libsysguy: http://soundcloud.com/dubstep/dis-iz-why-im-hot-by-die-antwoord-mutrix-remix
20:30 cait sounds fun :)
20:30 * sekjal waves to cait
20:29 sekjal designed a headcounts tool for our learning commons, so they can go around with an iPad/tablet instead of writing it all down on paper
20:29 oleonard meetings--
20:29 * cait waves at sekjal
20:29 sekjal lots of meetings
20:28 sekjal trying to install Umlaut (Ruby_on_Rails--)
20:28 sekjal mostly design work for the next iteration of the libraries' website, using SilverStripe
20:28 oleonard Whatcha been workin' on sekjal?
20:27 wizzyrea we miss you :)
20:27 libsysguy we are all still here :p
20:27 sekjal had a couple quiet moments, wanted to pop in and see how folks are doing
20:26 sekjal hey, all
20:26 wizzyrea hehehehe
20:26 jcamins Myshkin pounds his head on the keyboard in greeting.
20:26 * wizzyrea does a double take
20:25 rangi heya sekjal
20:25 libsysguy sup sekjal
20:25 jcamins Hey there, sekjal!
20:25 sekjal howdy, #koha
20:21 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @kohails: "#kohails Norwalk Public Library’s Annual Run Between the Libraries Family 5K Run/ Walk http://t.co/NLjYq3sx"
20:20 libsysguy thanks wajasu
20:20 libsysguy w00t
20:16 * wajasu got my v3.8.5 install running. starting to get something to fine :)
20:12 rangi right
20:09 jcamins Whatever.
20:09 jcamins 8623
20:09 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8263 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Make OPAC stylesheet preferences more consistent
20:09 jcamins rangi: yeah, that's because you're testing bug 8263 for me.
20:09 rangi weird http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/ works fine for me
20:07 rangi back
20:01 koyauni Do you guys think this instruction is save to run today http://www.scribd.com/doc/45190333/ICU-Support-in-Zebra
19:59 cait drojf: good news about the workshop :)
19:59 cait apparently wahanui knows better :)
19:57 drojf latest stable version, yes
19:57 koyauni does this mean that we latest version now, Koha version: 3.08.05.000
19:57 * wajasu starting up 3.8.5 for fine accrual testing
19:56 drojf i heard cait was somewhere with a dirndl
19:55 wajasu jcamins++
19:55 jcamins koyauni: you're welcome.
19:55 koyauni thanks jcamins
19:54 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero or signing off on wahanui's patch :) or confused, that's why i am asking, and we shout write it down somewhere
19:54 cait cait?
19:52 koyauni yes, fixed :) http://library.koyauniversity.org/ hurray !
19:52 wajasu how could i forget
19:52 jcamins wajasu: kohaversion.pl.
19:52 jcamins koyauni: you should check in your notes, see if you encountered this before.
19:52 wajasu someone remind me what file hase the koha VERSION defined.
19:51 jcamins koyauni: sounds like Plesk is doing something. I can't offer any advice on that, sorry.
19:50 koyauni well the nacked domain issue is back I guess the data is there http://library.koyauniversity.org:8080/
19:49 jcamins You can try disabling that site by running `sudo a2dissite default`
19:49 koyauni that sounds strange I get that for all the domain I have, so something is not right
19:47 koyauni it says it is empty, GOD ! :(
19:47 koyauni :( http://libraryadmin.koyauniversity.org/
19:46 jcamins Now check if it worked by trying to connect to the staff client.
19:46 jcamins koyauni: no, that's okay. It said it was trying to start httpd.
19:46 koyauni i guess I have to run that first
19:45 koyauni it says httpd not running, trying to start
19:45 mtj … much hard-coded 'prog' stuff has been fixed/removed
19:44 jcamins koyauni: since you use Plesk, I don't know. Usually I would run `sudo apache2ctl restart`
19:44 mtj … the cssr themes are a great start to the opac rewrite
19:44 jcamins oleonard: but it's the secret weapon of the Spanish Inquisition: bootstrap. Bootstrap, and comfy chairs.
19:44 koyauni how do I run stop and restart the websever via SSH
19:43 mtj so, yeah… its happening nengard , in baby steps (kaizen)
19:43 wajasu jcamins: i'm testing fines acrual for libsysguy and am using git checkout -b finestest v3.08.05 (so that should be ok right?)
19:43 libsysguy heh^^
19:43 mtj (but thats a secret)
19:43 oleonard Please not in secret
19:42 mtj im secrectly planning a bootstrap rewrite of the koha opac, soon-ish
19:42 koyauni now it is installed
19:42 jcamins koyauni: probably, yes.
19:41 jcamins nengard: I'm not doing it because I don't take that sort of project. As for why no one else is, I presume it's because no one wants to pay for it.
19:41 nengard okay and what would that take?
19:41 oleonard So I don't know if that would help you nengard, since custom CSS would still need to be revised.
19:41 oleonard If it were up to me we wouldn't simply add mobile CSS for prog, we would re-do prog with a new CSS framework
19:40 nengard not sure why we're waiting on others, why aren't one of us doing it (or getting sponsors to get us to do it)
19:40 koyauni this will install 3.8.5 is not it
19:40 jcamins Not holding my breath, though. :(
19:39 * jcamins hopes that one day one of the other four mobile themes will be submitted and turn out to be CSS only.
19:39 mtj ccsr should tagged as 'experimental' , i think - for this next release
19:39 nengard k
19:39 jcamins nengard: right, it's a theme that includes a mobile view, not a mobile view.
19:38 nengard unless you want to customize that one too
19:38 koyauni good thing I did backup 3 days ago
19:38 nengard so when i document this i need to make it clear that if you have any custom css at all you don't want to use ccsr
19:38 mtj yes, thats how it is, *currently*
19:38 nengard okay
19:38 mtj nengard, yes, but… the mobile functionaily can be added to the prog theme later (and thats my point)
19:37 wahanui jcamins: no worries
19:37 jcamins wahanui: thank you.
19:37 wahanui I know.
19:37 oleonard That's right
19:37 nengard so i guess what we're saying is there is no mobile view for prog
19:37 jcamins koyauni: say yes, the same as you did last time. I would like to point out again that clearly something *very wrong* happened to your server, and you have no reason to expect that it won't happen again if you can't figure out how Koha was deleted.
19:37 nengard mtj, you only get the mobile css if you choose ccsr
19:37 koyauni I guess I have no choice but say yes
19:37 mtj nengard, the mobile issue, and new ccsrs themes are different issues here, afaik
19:36 koyauni it says , WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! koha-common Install these packages without verification [y/N]?
19:36 jcamins oleonard: masthead is the problematic one, I think.
19:36 maximep to be able to do a separated mobile.css easily
19:36 oleonard nengard: Since they didn't share, we don't know how usable the other versions are
19:36 maximep our mobile view depended too much on our theme
19:35 nengard or usability ? but Koha is about both - sharing and usability
19:35 jcamins koyauni: that may not be sufficient, but if all that happened is that Koha got uninstalled, it will fix it.
19:34 jcamins My theory is that mobile themes are the domain of art departments, which generally aren't really into sharing.
19:34 nengard not blaming anyone in particular, but it seems like we're all making this too hard for the user
19:33 jcamins The code for this one was submitted to the community, though, which made it possible to make it into a theme.
19:33 nengard I wonder why not
19:33 jcamins nengard: because we have seen *five* mobile interfaces written, and none was written in a way that would allow people to use both prog and the mobile CSS.
19:33 nengard I guess I just thought the new theme was based on the old one and added a mobile CSS
19:33 oleonard nengard: Because the new theme incorporates the mobile and desktop versions in one set of templates
19:32 jcamins koyauni: no. You need to run the command I just told you to.
19:32 nengard i think this goes with what oleonard is asking ? why did we do a new theme for the browsers? Why wasn't a movile CSS added? Now everyone who has custom CSS off of the basic theme will have to redo their templates to be able to have a mobile version
19:32 koyauni https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1gORFK_Udrf1IXm-fpq03smK8nKbzsJ3KT9H2JCfq6OQ
19:32 libsysguy that is a pretty heavy question oleonard
19:32 koyauni so I need to go through this pain again then
19:32 jcamins oleonard: I shall have to ponder. :)\
19:31 oleonard So here's a question to ponder now that theme-handling has been updated, jcamins: In what way could the "prog" OPAC theme be revised to better serve as a default theme on which others are based?
19:29 jcamins Then 8623 was pushed, by which time 8623 needed a follow-up.
19:29 nengard but yeah, I think I'll just wait for a bunch more commits before moving forward
19:28 jcamins mtj: I'm not sure if there will be a dependency listed there, because 8597 didn't depend on the fix.
19:28 nengard If I was reading all the bug reports I'd never get anything done :)
19:28 nengard i can't tell that from the commit messages :) I just read the commits and the db update messages and start to use the feature
19:28 mtj nengard, my advice is… go easy on documenting enhancments that have outstanding 'dependencies' on other bugs
19:27 koyauni we do not us Plesk, it comes with our Dedicated server as we run many other websites on the server
19:26 jcamins This is why we all recommended against using Plesk.
19:26 jcamins Plesk might have, though.
19:26 jcamins No.
19:26 koyauni will it replace the DB
19:26 jcamins koyauni: you won't lose your data, unless Plesk screwed it up.
19:26 nengard okay
19:25 jcamins koyauni: probably not.
19:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
19:25 oleonard nengard: Lots of problems are fixed by that patch to bug 8623
19:25 koyauni :( that means everything we have done till now will wanish
19:25 jcamins `sudo apt-get install koha-common`
19:25 jcamins Fortunately, that's pretty easy with packages.
19:25 jcamins koyauni: you'll have to reinstall the Koha package.
19:24 koyauni can I recreate that
19:24 oleonard Yes
19:24 koyauni what is in apache-shared.conf
19:24 jcamins oleonard: if you remove the second line, does it apply?
19:24 mtj … after someone did…. something
19:24 jcamins koyauni: most likely Plesk did something that broke it.
19:23 jcamins mtj: right. Plesk.
19:23 mtj … or plesk deleted it
19:23 jcamins Either someone deleted it, or someone uninstalled Koha.
19:22 jcamins koyauni: files don't "just disappear."
19:22 maximep never had a file disappear, no :p
19:22 oleonard jcamins: The patch for 8623 has a double encoding declaration
19:22 koyauni anyone has ran into prob like this that /etc/koha/apache-shared.conf just disappear and system stop working
19:22 maximep they had to be in different bugs
19:22 maximep yeah we really had to rework tons of theme stuff the our new theme :/
19:21 nengard I can't seem to document anything because every time i try i find a problem that has a follow up that i have to wait for ? getting frustrtated
19:21 * nengard needs to rant ?.
19:21 nengard k
19:21 jcamins Right. That's why we need the follow-up on bug 8623.
19:20 nengard I too get a 404 on my VM
19:20 jcamins nengard: that's the follow-up.
19:20 nengard shouldn't it have come with that
19:20 koyauni I am not sure what has happened but all my web sites has stopped working as well,
19:20 nengard maximep how do we get that file, all I did on my install was a fetch
19:20 jcamins nengard: I will try rebasing it when I get a chance.
19:20 maximep that probably explains the problem
19:19 nengard jcamins i can't apply that patch
19:19 koyauni my webserver has stopped working and there is no sign of why. when want to restart the web server I get the error message that /etc/koha/apache-shared.conf: No such file or directory Action 'sto
19:19 maximep 404 Not Found - http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/opac-tmpl/ccsr/en/lib/yui/skin.css"
19:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
19:18 jcamins nengard: does it look right with the follow-ups on bug 8623?
19:18 koyauni hi Koha,
19:18 nengard i know that custom CSS will need to be altered
19:18 nengard all I care about right now is the fact that the sidebars are at the bottom
19:18 nengard that used to look like this: http://model.bywatersolutions.com/
19:18 oleonard Impossible to see exactly where the problems are though with custom css
19:17 nengard exactly
19:17 maximep lol wtf
19:17 nengard this has custom CSS, but the left and right columns are still not where they belong: http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/
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19:16 nengard maximep - you can see a bad on here: http://catalog.bywatersolutions.com/
19:16 * jcamins is going to theorize that probably the problem is the missing follow-up.
19:16 maximep well yeah, i guess with a db dump I could investigate further
19:15 nengard or a DB dump
19:15 nengard I can do a screencast and share the source if you want
19:15 nengard nope it's my local VM
19:15 maximep public url ?
19:15 maximep any way to see what you have ?
19:14 huginn nengard: The operation succeeded.
19:14 nengard @later tell magnuse regarding your message to me about bug 6030 ? can HTML be used in all notices but overdues?
19:14 nengard agreed, but it needs to be closer to perfect before 3.10 is released
19:14 maximep nothing can be perfect on the first time, but it's running fine for us
19:13 mtj http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/10/01/2341202/save-the-web-from-software-patents
19:13 nengard when 3.10 is released people are gonna jump on the new mobile option and then they're gonna see this in the browser and it'll be a big mess
19:12 nengard and all those things are in master and need to be tested with
19:12 nengard it's the left and the log in as well
19:12 jcamins maximep: what about with the left sidebar.
19:12 maximep or with QOTD
19:12 nengard it's not the right sidebar that's the problem
19:12 maximep never tested with that new right sidebar
19:11 jcamins maximep: you're the expert on the theme. Any ideas?
19:11 maximep that's weird :S
19:11 jcamins No it shouldn't, and I don't know how one could possibly do it, but that's what it looks like to me.
19:10 nengard k ? but that shouldn't happen
19:09 jcamins It almost looks like you triggered the "mobile" view on a regular-sized screen.
19:09 jcamins Odd.
19:07 nengard jcamins, rangi oleonard see the images i attached
19:07 jcamins So, fairly new.
19:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3708 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add another customizable region to the OPAC: right sidebar
19:07 oleonard Bug 3708
19:07 oleonard Since 2012-06-20 jcamins
19:06 jcamins Is it new? I can't recall ever noticing it.
19:06 nengard all my navs - right and left and log in show at the bottom
19:06 oleonard It shows on the OPAC home page under the login form if you're not logged in
19:05 * jcamins has never heard of that.
19:05 jcamins oleonard: OpacNavRight?
19:05 oleonard OpacNavRight also appears on the left :|
19:04 jcamins *the left
19:04 jcamins rangi has it running on a server and OpacNav is on th eleft.
19:04 jcamins Not intentional.
19:04 jcamins Nope.
19:03 * jcamins didn't write the theme, though, so couldn't say whether that was intentional.
19:03 nengard i'll do a screenshot
19:03 nengard i mean left
19:03 jcamins Odd.
19:03 nengard isntead of on the right
19:03 nengard it puts the nav atthe bottom
19:03 nengard but not perfect
19:03 nengard a bit better
19:03 nengard there we go
19:03 nengard i had mine blank...
19:03 nengard k
19:02 jcamins It must be set to colors.css.
19:02 nengard should be
19:02 jcamins Yup.
19:02 nengard colorstylesheet?
19:02 nengard can you remind me which that was?
19:02 nengard jcamins - you said one of the style sheets needed a specific setting
19:02 nengard I'll put a screenshot on there
19:01 oleonard cait: I don't know if my fix is necessarily right, but it seemed like we could do the same thing using an existing design pattern.
19:01 nengard oh this is not font sizes
19:01 jcamins Yeah, there's a follow-up to make the font sizes come out right.
19:01 nengard I'm not
19:01 jcamins Or you are using a custom opac stylesheet.
19:01 cait oleonard: thx for fixing the search form - the collapsing was partly my fault :)
19:01 nengard well that would explain things
19:01 nengard oh!!
19:01 jcamins nengard: probably the follow-up still hasn't been pushed.
19:00 nengard big time
19:00 jcamins oleonard: which it is now.
19:00 nengard jcamins when i enable ccsr it breaks the browser view
19:00 oleonard ...back when we thought it would be a base theme on which new themes were built
19:00 jcamins It does not touch the existing template, which is called "prog" (rangi tells me this was supposed to be short for "programmer").
18:59 jcamins This new theme includes a mobile view.
18:59 jcamins That feature actually adds an entire new theme which you enable by changing opacthemes to ccsr.
18:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6030 enhancement, P3, ---, stephane.delaune, Patch doesn't apply , Allow for html in letters in overdue notices
18:59 nengard magnuse regarding your message to me about bug 6030 ? can HTML be used in all notices but overdues?
18:59 jcamins nengard: yeah, I'd meant to answer them when I saw them in my e-mail.
18:58 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
18:58 nengard if anyone has a moment i have some documentation questions on bug 8597
18:51 rangi My stop bbl
18:50 rangi Ahh
18:50 jcamins I think fredericd patched it so that facets on UNIMARC authors are magically turned into non-phrase searches.
18:50 rangi But I highly likely wrong
18:50 rangi I think it's doing a phrase
18:49 rangi Not in the search I don't think
18:49 jcamins Don't forget this is UNIMARC, so that's actually two subfields: "Rowling" and "J. K."
18:49 rangi I don't think it's between fields
18:49 rangi Rowling, != Rowling
18:48 jcamins Yeah, but Zebra is supposed to ignore commas in between fields.
18:48 rangi One search works, without it, one with it doesn't
18:47 rangi Well the comma is an issue
18:46 jcamins I don't think that's the issue, but it's UNIMARC.
18:46 jcamins Ummm...
18:46 jcamins Right.
18:46 jcamins Oh.
18:45 jcamins Author e-mail?
18:45 rangi I wonder how far off base my author email is
18:44 rangi I'd quote it, cos I do that for all but that's a style thing
18:44 rangi Nope
18:44 rangi Hehe that one was pretty special
18:43 jcamins I mean, presuming that $attributes is a hashref which includes a key =1.
18:43 jcamins There is nothing magical about $attributes->{1}, right?
18:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8824 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED INVALID, use of windows 7, Firefox V15 and wireless level dns 10.58.2.X versus wired 192.168.x.x
18:41 oleonard Oh, so nothing as fun as Bug 8824
18:40 rangi Enhancements pushed
18:39 oleonard What are you afraid to find rangi?
18:39 jcamins rangi: Ehhh...
18:38 rangi Should I read bugzilla email?
18:34 wahanui morning is, like, a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
18:34 jcamins Morning.
18:34 drojf hey rangi
18:26 trea morning rangi
18:23 wizzyrea mornin
18:23 oleonard Hi rangi
18:22 wahanui well, Morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
18:22 rangi Morning
18:05 tcohen its really nice how github shouws the diffs
17:59 jcamins tcohen++
17:58 tcohen now we'll be sharing what we use
17:58 tcohen https://github.com/tomascohen/koha/commit/7c8152f1c7e17e950c5612f51aa9ba3625e87878
17:58 tcohen jcamins, got my branch on github
17:40 wajasu tcohen: look at what i pasted. I need to break for lunch and will try your suggestions when I get back.
17:39 pastebot "wajasu" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "tcohen: i retried your .deb" (367 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/208
17:37 magnuse success! \o/
17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8728 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , t/db_dependent/Reserve.t test doesn't use resdate and expdate arguments for AddReserve
17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8711 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , alternating colors messed up on reports
17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Need a delete biblios script
17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7992 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , new plugin about Automatic Number incrementing inventory. Prefix management from a authorised values list
17:36 jenkins_koha * matted-34813: Bug 8728 : Adjust Reserves.t test for resdate and expdate and test setup/teardown
17:36 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8711 - alternating colors messed up on reports
17:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8350 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Searching for a 10 or 13 digit string (with a number in it) that does not exist in one's catalog will fail to affect SQL statement correctly in C4::Breeding
17:36 jenkins_koha * frederick.capovilla: Add a warning if a Z39.50 search is started from biblio edition page.
17:36 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8674 follow-up Fix perlcritic error
17:36 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8674: Followup: Add POD for misc/batchdeletebiblios.pl
17:36 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8674: Adds script batchdeletebiblios
17:36 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7992: New plugin stocknumberAV
17:36 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8350: warning in logs when searching for nonexistent ISBN
17:36 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #864: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/864/
17:28 wajasu right. i'll do git checkout -b finestest v3.08.05
17:22 libsysguy with the 3.8.5 tag
17:21 libsysguy koha dev is good
17:21 wajasu libsysguy: when i get back from lunch, i'll set it up and try. a koha-dev env is fine? or do you wnat me to use koha-common?
17:21 libsysguy :)
17:21 libsysguy but I just want to make sure im not the only one
17:21 libsysguy yeah...
17:20 cait eek
17:20 libsysguy accrue*
17:20 libsysguy I can't get any fines to accru
17:20 libsysguy and the basic case should be enough
17:19 libsysguy sorry wajasu I was prepping for a conference call
17:16 cait hi jcamins :)
17:15 jcamins Hi cait.
17:14 cait hi #koha
17:12 wajasu if i set up 3.8.5 and checkout a couple of overdues, with is that enough of a usecase and look at an overdue notice, to see how much they owe? or do you have a special corner case? or circ rules?
17:04 libsysguy I am showing that they aren't working on my test system
17:04 libsysguy yeah wajasu, fines
16:55 wajasu i was wondering if i should build a test environment today for 3.8.5. do you have something specific you need tested?
16:50 libsysguy is anybody in today running 3.8.5?
16:28 jenkins_koha Starting build #864 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
16:21 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8728 : Adjust Reserves.t test for resdate and expdate and test setup/teardown <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a35b2671a69723df9dae23ab56f0fd19c7ff9b7> / Bug 8711 - alternating colors messed up on reports <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=50be765eae0151ced343295e1e48f9a53b9bfa17> / Add a warning if a Z39.50 search is started from biblio edition page. <http:
16:12 wajasu tcohen: is http://es.koha-community.org/kc_files/koha-common_3.9.0-046~git+20120917191354.7807a548_all.deb what you want me to test. ok. i will build the VM without koha-common and install your koha-common fresh, so no biblio is there.
16:07 wajasu tochen: i'' give it a try. i used to be able to build new VMs in 4 minutes, but the download of koha-common from the repo must be throttled or slow (75kbps) so it takes much longer to download 45MB)
16:04 wajasu my script that auto builds was bailing because the newer koha-common replaced the XML ParserDetails.ini, and since i had a sed script that edited that, it caused a prompt to choose the version my script edited, or the one from koha_common.
16:03 tcohen (if u r still interested)
16:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup
16:03 tcohen let me know when you have time for bug 8773
16:02 wajasu yes.
16:02 tcohen wajasu, was you question answered?
15:59 reiveune1 bye
15:50 talljoy good morning!
15:48 libsysguy morning Joy!
15:40 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @jsicot: "et hop et une grosse maj interne sur #kohails #pffiou"
15:36 libsysguy nevermind
15:35 libsysguy oh, well demp is on 3.8.0
15:34 libsysguy let me see if its on the demo bywater site
15:34 oleonard That's okay. There's still the question of whether it's a bug that was fixed in master or a bug which doesn't exist for some other reason
15:33 libsysguy sorry oleonard
15:33 libsysguy I've updated to reflect
15:32 libsysguy it may just be a 3.8.x bug and I marked it incorrectly
15:32 libsysguy both are 3.8.5
15:32 libsysguy shoot
15:31 libsysguy heh true wahanui
15:31 wahanui Running master is a lot of work
15:31 oleonard Running master?
15:31 libsysguy I got it on 3 different servers
15:31 libsysguy hmm
15:30 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8856 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Details section of cart always displays 59
15:30 oleonard libsysguy: I can't reproduce bug 8856
15:14 * mtompset waves bye.
15:14 mtompset Have fun, people. :)
15:13 mtompset Which version you want is going to affect which repo you grab from, wajasu.
15:12 mtompset Nope... I meant http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian#To_use
15:11 wahanui git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
15:11 mtompset git?
15:05 wajasu when i install koha-common, pulling from the kc.org repo, it grabs the latest version, correct? 3.8.5-1 i wonder if that is ok for master, or do i need to use one from 3.9...git...?
14:44 jcamins (I mean, I don't have a master branch locally)
14:43 jcamins That's from when I cloned gmcharlt's repo on github.
14:43 jcamins I don't have a master branch.
14:42 tcohen your master's last commit is 2 years old hehe
14:41 jcamins Actually, I should prune my github branches.
14:41 jcamins I push *only* those branches I have edited.
14:41 tcohen ok
14:41 jcamins Right.
14:41 tcohen just the branches
14:41 tcohen but u don't push master, and those branches, right?
14:41 jcamins Or, rather, I update it only with branches that are not getting submitted via bugzilla.
14:40 tcohen should i just push our 3.8.x branch?
14:40 jcamins I do not update it consistently, though.
14:40 tcohen I want to make public what we use here
14:40 jcamins Yes. https://github.com/jcamins/koha/
14:40 tcohen do u have a working public repo (github, gitorius, etc)?
14:39 jcamins tcohen: what do you mean? I have a kc remote, and do a fetch a couple times a day.
14:39 tcohen by hand? every branch? just those you use?
14:38 tcohen jcamins, how do u follow k-c's repo in your personal git repo?
14:36 jcamins (and MODS 3.4, though we aren't using it yet)
14:36 jcamins MODS 3.1, MODS 3.2, and MODS 3.3?
14:35 senator tcohen: right. a colon with nothing before it will push "nothing" in the sense of "make the remote branch go away", i.e. delete it (not in the sense of "this command does nothing")
14:35 jcamins Can anyone think of a good reason to use MODS 3.0,
14:35 jcamins Ah. I guess we have one stylesheet for each version.
14:33 jcamins Can anyone think of an actual good reason for us to have *four* MARC21->MODS stylesheets included with Koha?
14:31 tcohen to push our local branch 3.8.x_psi to remote 3.8.x_unc
14:31 tcohen sorry, this: git push github-koha 3.8.x_psi:3.8.x_unc
14:31 tcohen I used git push github-koha 3.8.x_psi:3.8.x_psi
14:30 oleonard tcohen: the colon before the branch name tells git to delete the branch
14:28 tcohen senator, oleonard, that command means push "nothing" to branch-to-delete?
14:26 kohakhan I am little bit puzzled, why 'image' and 'image upload' option are removed from Patron profile in new version 3.08. Home › Patrons › Patron details
14:25 oleonard I don't think the -f is required
14:22 tcohen (all of them patches in bz BTW ;))
14:22 tcohen it just follows koha, with some additions from us
14:21 senator doh, too late
14:21 senator tcohen: git push -f repo :branch-to-delete
14:21 tcohen i just deleted the repository :/
14:21 jcamins tcohen: I don't know, sorry.
14:20 tcohen anyone?
14:15 wajasu pirate day was weeks ago
14:12 tcohen how do I delete a branch in github?
14:07 drojf (completely unrelated. *disclaim, disclaim*)
14:07 * drojf is off to watch the simpsons
14:07 drojf i will not say anything about any torrents i ever downloaded. arrrr
14:06 oleonard ...uh, me hearties.
14:06 oleonard I downloaded a torrent legally yesterday. I think that makes me a pirate in some jurisdictions?
14:03 drojf for some of us, talk like a pirate day is everyday. for example for, like, pirates
14:02 wizzyrea you just have to proclaim it so
14:02 wizzyrea I think any day can be talk like a pirate day
14:02 wizzyrea yea, I think it was
14:02 oleonard "Ho!" is appropriate if you're LARPing today drojf
14:02 jcamins wizzyrea: wasn't that a few weeks ago?
14:02 drojf lol
14:02 wizzyrea ahoy.
14:01 wizzyrea :)
14:01 * wizzyrea didn't realize it was talk like a pirate day
14:01 drojf hi-ho, hi-ho
14:01 drojf hi even
14:01 drojf ho wizzyrea
14:01 drojf jcamins: fantastic idea actually ;)
14:01 wizzyrea and good <time of day>
14:01 wizzyrea oh yea, I am working on that aren't I. Ha.
14:00 jcamins drojf: bring a craft brewer in to do a pop-up brewery? :)
13:57 drojf unfortunately, no. it's at a library. they have some kind of night reading event and we get an extra room there for the koha fun. but there is free catering as far as i know. i wouldn't mind sleeping at some point instead of staying up until 11 too, they have couches or something there to rest :)
13:55 jcamins drojf: unless it's at a craft brewery.
13:55 jcamins drojf: probably not many.
13:54 drojf 4pm until 11am next day. open end. that sounds like a lot of fun, but i wonder how many library folks want to pull an koha allnighter ;)
13:52 jcamins Hooray!
13:51 drojf seems like our koha workshop is really going to happen \o/ i hope cait will make it or i will have to explain a lot of stuff myself i have not really used yet
13:48 drojf jcamins: i see :D
13:47 jcamins drojf: only one person with the livecd. :P
13:47 wajasu an play hip hop while providing releases
13:47 * magnuse wanders off
13:47 drojf jcamins: and you send emails to people with live-cds from LAST YEAR? ;)
13:46 magnuse Real Kohipsters built Koha from scratch :-)
13:46 oleonard Real Kohipsters used Koha before it had MARC support
13:46 magnuse yeah!
13:45 drojf kohipsters. they used koha before it was mainstream
13:45 magnuse drojf: something like that yes
13:45 jcamins oleonard: I think I'd spend all my time on the phone.
13:44 drojf lol i would like that
13:44 * oleonard thinks every library migrating from 2.2.x should get a congratulatory call from jcamins
13:44 mtompset You mean the country in which I *WORK*. :P
13:43 jcamins drojf: in fact, I'm going to call a library that's migrating from 2.2.x today.
13:43 mtompset Oh... Fedora *grumble grumble* 2.9.X junk.
13:43 drojf jcamins: that's kind of scary. also, why did nobody in my country use koha when it was at 2.2.x? :/
13:42 drojf lol
13:42 jcamins mtompset: the country where you _live_.
13:42 mtompset Well, we are all a bunch of lumberjacks, riding our dogsleds to work while living in Igloos and ice castles. :P
13:42 jcamins drojf: there are a *ton* of 2.2.x's.
13:41 * oleonard seems to recall mtompset's country is predominately 2.x
13:41 drojf oh, a small school. i can imagine that. "it's free, so we install it once and never touch that running system again". also, the teacher who did it in his spare time is long gone. *takes wild guesses*
13:36 magnuse drojf: at a small swedish school - but i suspect there are a lot of 2.2.x still out there
13:36 magnuse jcamins++
13:35 jcamins drojf: I disagree. I could have predicted it.
13:34 drojf "Would this livecd work on windows also.". you can't make that up.
13:32 drojf jcamins++
13:32 drojf magnuse: 2.2.x? where did you find that?
13:32 jcamins E-mailed.
13:31 drojf "How can I protect the kohalivecd installed system without Anti virus". yeah, we definitely need a google group
13:31 magnuse oleonard: lol!
13:31 magnuse wow loading that 24MB 2.2.x databasedump into an empty database is taking forever...
13:31 drojf lol
13:30 oleonard drojf: After that, "How can I install Koha without having access to a computer?"
13:29 drojf "How can I install koha live cd without bootable cd" sounds like a fun topic. also, it's weird that i can access the group, but not via his website
13:29 oleonard Happy Birthday Biblibre!
13:29 oleonard I msged the Sourceforge user
13:29 drojf [off] jcamins: if you like, go ahead.
13:28 magnuse hooray for biblibre - 5 years old today!
13:27 magnuse [off] feel free jcamins
13:27 jcamins [off] Yeah, I was just noticing that. Would someone else like to e-mail him/her, or should I?
13:26 drojf [off] there was a Mizst Audens mizstik@gmail.com on the main mailing list
13:26 jcamins magnuse: no idea.
13:23 magnuse do we know who mizstik is?
13:21 drojf clicking a thumbs down does not require a log in. maybe we all should do that once or twice
13:20 drojf oh come on, "Can Anyone help me to tell the USER ID & PASSWORD of KOHA LIVE CD with ubuntu12.04LTS." is a positive review? :/
13:17 drojf yes makes sense
13:17 * magnuse would think sourceforge gets it
13:16 oleonard Do you get ad revenue from Sourceforge? Or does Sourceforge?
13:16 drojf ah ok, ads might be the reason why he does not take it down
13:15 drojf heh sounds good
13:15 oleonard ...fwiw
13:15 drojf thanks oleonard
13:15 oleonard I'm going to add a "review" which says please don't use this
13:15 oleonard Here's the Sourceforge link drojf: http://sourceforge.net/projects/kohalivecd/
13:15 drojf i can't even access the site without a google account. that does not help with my dislike of google groups
13:13 magnuse that's a lot of downloads
13:13 drojf :/
13:13 magnuse wow
13:12 oleonard mizstik's Koha Live CD: last update 2011-07-29, 55 downloads this week.
13:08 drojf paul_p: ok cool. have to talk this through with kf. thanks
13:07 paul_p drojf = yep, ask me. I will transfer your request to our sysadmin guy
13:06 drojf paul_p: i understand biblibre is in charge of lists.k-c.org. if we would decide to have another german mailing list (a general one, we only have i18n atm), how would we get it? ask you for the list creator password? ask you to set it up for us?
13:06 kohakhan thanks
13:05 tcohen More > Tools > Upload patron images
13:05 mtompset When in doubt, search the manual.
13:05 mtompset http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/tools.html#managecardimages
13:03 magnuse welcome back paul_p
13:03 kohakhan ! can't locate the option 'Manage Patron Image' in v3.08
13:03 tcohen he
13:03 tcohen welcome back paul_p
13:03 mtompset welcome back.
13:02 paul_p hello (back)
13:00 mtompset a git reset only affects the current branch you are on, right?
12:58 tcohen hi mtompset
12:58 mtompset Greetings, tcohen.
12:58 tcohen hi drojf
12:57 drojf hi tcohen
12:57 tcohen morning #koha
12:54 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8689 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , disable login via Koha's $database account
12:54 magnuse bug 8689
12:53 kohakhan jcamins: you have already investigated it thoroughly :)
12:52 drojf :D
12:51 mtompset drojf: You owe me a coke. ;)
12:50 mtompset wizzyrea++ # get that patch in soon. :)
12:50 drojf wizzyrea++
12:50 jcamins mtompset: wizzyrea is working on a patch to do that, actually.
12:49 drojf mtompset: good point, is there anything besides "patrons" that one should be able to use with that user? maybe the about/check page
12:49 jcamins Create a new superlibrarian user and use that one.
12:49 jcamins kohakhan: you're going to have additional problems if you use the kohaadmin user.
12:48 kohakhan jcamins: i found that... 'Set library' (at the top) was not set for kohaadmin. therefore it crashed!
12:46 mtompset Perhaps we should limit what modules the system user can enter. ;)
12:44 drojf we do not have a list of such error messages (and the fixes) in one place, do we?
12:43 kohakhan thanks a lot, let me try it.
12:43 jcamins You shouldn't be using kohaadmin ever.
12:43 jcamins Right.
12:43 kohakhan so i have to create an other user and then login to create the card?
12:42 jcamins (i.e. not kohaadmin)
12:41 jcamins You need to log in as a regular user.
12:41 jcamins I'm the one who reported it, and it was user error.
12:41 jcamins No, it's not patched.
12:41 jcamins Ohhh.
12:40 jcamins Someone just patched that bug, I think. It sounds very familiar.
12:40 kohakhan From Kyle: http://sourceforge.net/projects/koha-va/files/
12:40 jcamins Kyle Hall's VM?
12:39 mtompset echo $PERL5LIB
12:39 mtompset and out of curiousity... echo $KOHA_CONF
12:38 mtompset From where?
12:38 kohakhan I downloade the VM having 3.08.00.001
12:37 mtompset Greetings, jcamins.
12:37 mtompset What version of Koha are you using, kohakhan?
12:36 mtompset git install?
12:36 wahanui somebody said livecd was here http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_LiveCD
12:36 mtompset livecd?
12:36 mtompset What are you using, kohakhan?
12:35 kohakhan Any work around?
12:35 kohakhan ... when i was going to create a 'New batch' to print the card using 'Patron card creator>Manage card Batches'
12:35 kohakhan I was just bitten by: Can't call method "get_attr" without a package or object reference at /home/koha/kohaclone/patroncards/edit-batch.pl line 126.
12:35 drojf good morning jcamins
12:34 drojf mtompset: that's what i meant. you tried to help (and he ignored that). in a group full of people that did not have enough technical skills to use a mailing list, i doubt he would have had more useful answers
12:28 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
12:27 druthb Hi, oleonard! :)
12:27 * oleonard waves to druthb
12:22 mtompset Greetings, oleonard.
12:22 jwagner Hi, mtompset
12:22 mtompset Greetings, jwagner.
12:20 oleonard Hi #koha
12:11 mtompset I couldn't help more. And frankly, a forum would probably give thousands of wrong answer too. :)
12:10 mtompset And the history grep was a good idea, if it wasn't plesk. ;)
12:10 mtompset Well, I don't really know how to tell if plesk messed it up.
12:09 drojf i mean koyauni. he asked something, you addressed it, he left. i wonder if a web forum would have tried more than that. not trying to be a dick, just really wondering what would go on in such place.
12:07 mtompset What do you mean, drojf?
12:06 mtompset tried to help more?
11:57 drojf hm. i wonder if a google group would have tried to help more
11:55 drojf my problem was using 192.168.2.x in debian, but having the default of 192.168.56.1 for the virtual adapter. it's working now
11:52 mtompset (which should not be the same as your LANs)
11:52 mtompset Oh and you need to make sure your netmask is 255.255.0.0, so that it crosses to the VM's networking.
11:51 mtompset Make sure you set the host-only to promiscuous.
11:50 drojf maybe found the problem now
11:49 drojf mtompset: a VM with combined host-only adapter and NAT works for me with DHCP, have you ever done it with a static IP for the host-only adapter? i can't reach it from outside if i try
11:42 drojf sounds like you are right mtompset ;)
11:42 wahanui plesk is terrible and likely to interfere with setting up Koha
11:42 drojf plesk?
11:41 mtompset Oh wait... let's blame plesk. ;)\
11:40 mtompset And no. /usr/sbin/koha-dump doesn't even touch /etc/koha/apache-shared.conf
11:38 mtompset It should be identical since we are both using packages.
11:37 pastebot "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "my /etc/koha" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/207
11:36 drojf heh
11:36 mtompset Find out if someone did. ;)
11:36 mtompset history | grep /etc/koha
11:20 drojf koyauni: i doubt that the backup has anything to do with that
11:08 drojf back
10:50 koyauni I just did backup the other day sudo koha-dump library , do you think this has created any problem?
10:49 koyauni and in fact I can not see that file in that folder, so what has happened to that file,
10:48 koyauni hi, my web server has stopped working and when I try to stop and restart Apache I get this error message (# apachectl stop apache2: Syntax error on line 230 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 5 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/library: Coul d not open configuration file /etc/koha/apache-shared.conf: No such file or directory Action 'sto
10:13 * magnuse thinks html in email is evil anyway
10:08 huginn magnuse: The operation succeeded.
10:08 magnuse @later tell nengard bug 6030 implies that html can not be used in overdue notices. maybe this could be mentioned in the bulletpoint that starts with "If you plan on writing the notice or slip in HTML..." below here: http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/tools.html#addnotices ?
10:02 magnuse d'oh
10:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6030 enhancement, P3, ---, stephane.delaune, Patch doesn't apply , Allow for html in letters in overdue notices
10:02 * magnuse finds bug 6030
09:51 magnuse but both ODUE and ODUE2 have the html stripped from the message...
09:51 magnuse DUE is sent as proper HTML
09:51 magnuse gah, looks like i'm confusing the codes
09:46 magnuse something happens to ODUE2 before it is sent
09:45 magnuse the templates are identical
09:45 mtompset Oh, so ODUE is a poorly marked up version of ODUE2?
09:43 magnuse but they both have content_type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" in the message_queue table
09:42 magnuse ODUE is sent with HTML in the body, ODUE2 is sent without
09:42 magnuse ODUE and ODUE2 are effectively identical
09:42 magnuse huh?
09:41 mtompset Ah, so my thought was correct... ODUE2 = html stripped ODUE. ;)
09:34 magnuse looks like the html gets stripped out of the body of ODUE2
09:27 magnuse huh, why would ODUE be sent as good looking html email (with linebreaks and links) and ODUE2 be sent as more or less plain text (without linebreaks and links) when the templates are the same?
09:02 * drojf is off to a meeting
09:00 drojf jcamins_away helped me a lot with that cranky animal
08:59 drojf what would be the reason not to? the link on the ml said fuzzy search has to be turned off, i would imagine that is something a lot of libraries use
08:59 mtompset Who is the zebra king around here? :)
08:59 mtompset I'm thinking we should build icu by default, but perhaps it already is as of a particular version?
08:58 drojf ah. ok that's useless for normal people
08:58 mtompset exactly... because it is asked a BUILD time, not INSTALL time.
08:57 drojf i don't remember being asked about that at installation though
08:57 drojf mtompset: from the 3.8.0 release notes: "* Add ICU option to Koha out of the box (7698) during installation, you now have an option to use ICU. ICU is a unicode library that improve a lot zebra search engine for non latin alphabet catalogue ". maybe make people use recent versions would help
08:56 mtompset Don't know.
08:56 mtompset Because he doesnt' have time to delete the google group?
08:54 drojf out
08:54 drojf also, if he says its yout of date, why does he not take down the download?
08:54 drojf oh. live-cd. out of date. google group. sounds scary
08:53 mtompset I was cleaning up the LiveCD/LiveDVD portion, since someone admitted to using something by Mizstik which is totally out of date, and his google group says he no longer supports it.
08:52 drojf i don't know. have you checked the wiki?
08:52 mtompset Oops... there.
08:52 mtompset Are their official instructions on how to get the packages to icu index rather than chr index?
08:52 drojf quiet around here
08:51 drojf hi mtompset
08:51 mtompset Greetings, drojf.
08:39 drojf good day #koha
07:46 mtompset Okay... I so want to progress bar the framework duplication!
07:36 wahanui hola, francharb
07:36 francharb hi
07:20 tweetbot` [off] twitter: @jsicot: "@symac et en plus elles sont triées bizarrement (ordre alpha) #facets #kohails"
07:18 mtompset greetings, asaurat and matts
07:17 asaurat hi =)
07:14 reiveune ;)
07:14 mtompset Changing it up today, reiveune? ;)
07:14 julian_m hi mtompset
07:14 matts hi !
07:14 mtompset Greetings, julian_m
07:13 julian_m hello magnuse
07:13 reiveune mtompset : bonjour :)
07:13 mtompset greetings, magnuse. Salut reiveune sophie_m
07:13 sophie_m hi #koha
07:13 sophie_m hi magnuse
07:13 laurence hi magnuse
07:12 reiveune salut magnuse :)
07:12 magnuse hiya mtompset reiveune alex_a laurence julian_m sophie_m asaurat
07:07 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
06:55 reiveune hello
06:54 alex_a bonjour #koha
06:37 cait-m ttyl
06:36 libsysguy i wish I could catch the sand man
06:36 cait-m sleepg bug?
06:36 libsysguy 5 more minutes :p
06:35 libsysguy b-b-but I think i just found a major bug in 3.8.5
06:35 cait-m go to sleep!
06:34 libsysguy :p
06:34 libsysguy sandwich*
06:34 libsysguy no not a talking sandwih
06:34 cait-m hi magnusr
06:34 cait-m talking to you?
06:34 * magnuse wishes cait-m good luck even if it is early yet
06:34 cait-m lol
06:33 libsysguy :D
06:33 libsysguy than with a sandwich
06:33 libsysguy well what a better way to pass the time
06:33 cait-m heh
06:33 cait-m heg
06:32 libsysguy so they had mcdonalds, kfc, etc too :p
06:32 cait-m buf i am waiting for transportation :-)
06:32 libsysguy when she lived there they named places they didn't know by what they normally would be in America :p
06:32 libsysguy Anna and I were talking about places in China yesterday
06:32 cait-m we have subways, kfc, burger king and mc donalds
06:32 libsysguy :p
06:32 libsysguy yumm
06:31 cait-m yes
06:31 libsysguy do you have subway sandwiches in Germany?
06:30 cait-m waiting for the subway
06:30 cait-m yep
06:30 libsysguy hopefully I will be asleep by then
06:29 cait-m at noon here, 3.5 h
06:29 libsysguy well man did I miss that one
06:29 libsysguy oh
06:29 cait-m hmm not really
06:29 libsysguy you're speaking soon right?
06:29 cait-m heh
06:29 libsysguy that too
06:29 libsysguy oh yes
06:29 libsysguy im not tired :'(
06:28 cait-m wanted to wish me luck?
06:28 libsysguy i can't sleep
06:28 cait-m why are you awake?
06:28 cait-m hi libsysguy
06:28 libsysguy and its so late here
06:28 libsysguy geez wahanui you're all up in my biz
06:27 cait-m hi wahanui
06:27 wahanui rumour has it morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast
06:27 libsysguy morning
06:27 cait-m good morning
06:27 wahanui somebody said cait-m was on a train :-)
06:27 libsysguy cait-m!!
06:25 libsysguy :p
06:25 libsysguy just as a sanity check
06:25 libsysguy or I was the only one
06:25 libsysguy I was just hoping I wasn't the first to see it
06:25 libsysguy indeed its not
06:24 magnuse that's not good
06:21 libsysguy and the calculate and apply syspref is enabled
06:21 libsysguy but it never applies them to the db
06:21 libsysguy the fines calculate and push to the fines long in /tmp
06:21 libsysguy thats the weird part
06:21 magnuse any error messages in the logs or something?
06:20 magnuse ouch
06:20 libsysguy I can't get fines to charge for the life of me
06:20 libsysguy damn it
06:20 libsysguy heh
06:20 magnuse nope, 'cause none of the libraries use fines :-)
06:19 libsysguy had any issues out of fines magnuse?
06:16 magnuse yup, i'm running 3.8.5 in production
06:16 magnuse kia ora #koha!
06:12 * libsysguy wonders if anyone hears him
06:12 libsysguy its so quiet in here
06:12 libsysguy anybody running 3.8.5?
02:37 wahanui okay, eythian.
02:37 eythian wahanui: cait is also in Munich in a Dirndl
01:24 mtj etc...
01:24 mtj http://kopac.tamil.fr/opac-tmpl/prog/images/koha-logo.gif
01:24 mtj http://kopac.tamil.fr
01:23 mtj … but the path is correct, for either opac or staff interfaces
01:21 mtj ala_3vo, no , 8080 is usually the staff/admin port
00:59 ala_3vo where http://192.168.1.96:8080 is the opac. Is that correct?
00:58 ala_3vo Okay... if I'm using an ip adress then it should be something like http://192.168.1.96:8080/opac-tmpl/prog/images/koha-logo.gif.
00:57 mtj opac-tmpl/prog/images/koha-logo.gif
00:56 ala_3vo mtj, what should be the correct path?
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00:55 mtj hmmm, ignore that :) thats a bad path
00:54 mtj if you want a 'local' path to your logo, something like that...
00:53 mtj h1#libraryname { background: url("../../images/koha-logo.gif")
00:48 wahanui Hmm. No matches for that, ala_3vo.
00:48 ala_3vo the path I'm thinking of is /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmp/prog/images/
00:46 mtj … but your path/to/the/file will need to be correct
00:45 mtj yes, i think so
00:41 ala_3vo Is it possible to put image into the koha share directory and use that image on opac header?
00:40 ala_3vo mtj, Thanks.
00:36 mtj http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=3
00:35 mtj ala_3vo -> http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?cat=3
00:31 ala_3vo I'm trying to put an image to the opac header. How can that be done, any help?
00:28 ala_3vo Hi #koha