IRC log for #koha, 2012-09-21

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00:00 jcamins mtompset: git blame + git show.
00:00 jcamins If you're lucky, there will be a bug number in the commit.
00:00 mtompset git show?
00:00 jcamins git show {hash}
00:01 mtompset Ah okay... giving that a whirl.
00:01 jcamins If the commit is older than, say, two years, you're SOL.
00:01 mtompset This retro-bug is from 2008.
00:01 mtompset someone forgot a semi-colon.
00:02 jcamins Just report a new bug.
00:03 mtompset oh wait... the next line is a massive if clause.
00:03 mtompset I'm still waking up.
00:05 mtompset Is there an easy way to add, let's say 773 fields to every record already in Koha?
00:07 jcamins mtompset: export the records and do it with MarcEdit, or write a script.
00:08 mtompset Or add an if check around a piece of analytics code. ;)
00:10 jcamins mtompset: no, that's a terrible way to do it.
00:10 mtompset jcamins++ # git blame + git show worked nicely.
00:11 mtompset Surely I'm not going to be the only one with no 773 fields.
00:12 mtompset Is 773 a required field?
00:12 jcamins mtompset: of course not.
00:12 jcamins 773 is entirely unnecessary.
00:13 mtompset Then an if check to see if I even have the field seems like a reasonable patch to me.
00:13 jcamins mtompset: checking whether you have the field is one thing.
00:13 jcamins You asked how to *add* the field.
00:14 mtompset Yes, that would be a terrible way to add it. I see where I was confusing.
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01:28 libsysguy yo where do I add new deps?
01:31 rangi debian/control
01:31 libsysguy thanks rangi
01:31 rangi and
01:31 libsysguy I would have never found that
01:32 rangi C4/Installer/
01:32 rangi one is for git/tarball installs, the other is for building packages
01:32 libsysguy i see
01:32 libsysguy follow up question
01:32 libsysguy if I have a dep that requires more packages
01:33 libsysguy can I just use the original or do I have to list them all
01:33 rangi you could also edit the .packages files in install_misc/
01:33 rangi just the original
01:33 libsysguy sweet
01:33 libsysguy thanks much
01:33 libsysguy rangi++
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01:52 Waylon hello all. okay, my code requires 'url' be a key inside the search results hash of opac.... frameworks map 863u to url, yet no url is exposed in the search results, anyone got any ideas why not?
02:02 Waylon hrm... url is found in results in Transform MarcToKoha, but when it gets delivered to searchResults, its no longer in the biblio information.
02:05 Waylon ahh.. found it as it came into wonder why it gets filtered out..
02:08 Waylon okay.. nevermind.. it leaves intact....
02:11 Waylon ah... maybe i need to put my url stuff in searchRecords before the XSLT formatting?
02:12 Waylon since modifying it at, with XSLT on, is too late?
02:13 Waylon though..... im editing the "action:" commands.... so.... hmm.. maybe the tempaltes wrong.
02:18 Waylon ....
02:18 * Waylon facepalms
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03:12 Waylon okay.... ive finished my first feature... i have commited it.. now i switch back to master, and then checkout another branch, to create another feature?
03:13 Waylon going from branch to new branch using git checkout -b mandumahstable origin/3.10 doesn't work.
03:13 Waylon fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches.
03:13 wahanui i already had it that way, Waylon.
03:13 Waylon ??
03:13 Waylon fatal?
03:13 Waylon fatal: git checkout: updating paths?
03:13 wahanui git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches.
03:14 Waylon hmm.. so this has happened before..
03:15 Waylon ah.. no 3.10 yet
03:15 Waylon ill just have to port this feature when 3.10 comes out eh?
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03:45 Waylon gah f...... i mistakenly erased a branch using git symbolics
03:45 Waylon git symbolic-ref refs/heads/pdflinks refs/heads/mdm_bug1
03:45 Waylon goodbye pdflinks branch
03:46 Waylon ah.. its still there...
03:47 Waylon .... i need to cherrypick the commit to get it back?
04:00 Waylon whew
04:00 Waylon yes, that worked.
04:03 Waylon hrm... get_template_and_user still points to template_name *.tmpl ...... thought we now have tt?
04:03 mtompset Don't ask... but hidden deep in the maze of code, it gets remapped.
04:03 Waylon waaaa!
04:04 Waylon basically, a change that was made, in order to not change all the pl files eh?
04:04 * mtompset shrugs.
04:04 mtompset I didn't do it.
04:04 mtompset I know nothing.
04:04 mtompset I just know I fear reading the depths of code.
04:05 rangi its not even deep, melodrama :)
04:05 mtompset It's not complete melodrama. Some of the code is a nightmare to read in
04:06 mtompset I was just looking at a bug we hit in 3.6.3 and the fix is in 3.6.x, 3.8.x, and master, but the solution is UGLY!
04:06 mtompset cond ? blah=1: blah=0.... why not: blah = (cond?1:0)?!
04:08 rangi seriously, you are worried about that?
04:08 rangi when we have actual bugs to fix?
04:08 mtompset No... it just looks ugly.
04:08 mtompset I'm on to the next one to check.
04:08 Waylon haha
04:08 * rangi wanders off
04:12 * mtompset wonders how it could say the subroutine is undefined when it is right there where it says it isn't.
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04:51 wajasu i just added an option to  -gencpanfile   so one can generate a cpanfile for cpanm/carton.  i wonder if i should add it as an enhancement.
04:52 wajasu just a baby step for devs.
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05:05 mtompset did you do it off the version with -b and -r added? ;)
05:05 wajasu yup
05:05 mtompset That would be a useful enhancement.
05:05 wajasu -g|gencpanfile
05:07 wajasu it would let folks play with cpanm and carton without a hassle, to see if its going to deliver.
05:07 wajasu to see if ots going to cpan out ;)
05:08 wajasu i'm testing bug 8798 right now
05:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , Add the use of DBIx::Class
05:09 wajasu i just validated that he added the debian/control  and the C4/Installer/PerlDependencies
05:09 wajasu time to apt-get and run koha_perl_deps
05:09 mtompset did you check out debian/list-deps?
05:09 mtompset I mean look at...
05:10 wajasu let me see
05:10 mtompset I may have logic similar to what you added to
05:10 wajasu control
05:10 mtompset no... list-deps
05:10 mtompset it's a program
05:11 mtompset it reads
05:11 mtompset and generates a list of libraries to apt-get.
05:11 wajasu i can run that just to see?
05:13 mtompset It doesn't write any files, as far as I can tell.
05:14 mtompset Also, there is a release-tools repository.
05:14 wajasu it depsends on apt-file  which i did not have in my VM.
05:14 mtompset How do you map the perl library filename to perl library name with apt-file?
05:15 mtompset in the release-tools repository, there is a script I wrote:
05:15 mtompset Similar logic, but it generates output files if you tell it to.
05:15 wajasu where is the release-tools repo?
05:15 mtompset[…]dd296631a;hb=HEAD
05:17 mtompset I have a slightly newer version somewhere, but it isn't much improved from that.
05:17 wajasu cool
05:17 mtompset Because my parameters always require = in this version.
05:17 wajasu does yours behave better than the ?
05:18 mtompset It uses to grab the library names.
05:18 mtompset (ugly logic)
05:18 mtompset I could clean that up, since I got -b and -r added to
05:19 mtompset The .all file is what you would use for a apt-get install.
05:19 wajasu carton cpanfile  lets you specify :           requires 'Test::More', '>=1.3', '<2.1'
05:28 pastebot "wajasu" at pasted " -a --gencpanfile >cpanfile" (225 lines) at
05:29 Waylon 2 features down, many to go. woot!
05:36 wajasu i'm glad i'm testing this typo: libdbic... instead of libdbix...
05:46 mtompset wajasu: your -g doesn't push anything to @pm.
05:46 wajasu put -a before it
05:46 wajasu its experimental.
05:47 wajasu i wanted to see if i could gen a cpanfile just for missing and ungrades.
05:47 wajasu -a is all
05:47 mtompset Change the three push lines to have || $gencpanfile
05:47 wahanui mtompset: that doesn't look right
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05:47 wajasu -a -g >cpanfile
05:47 wajasu let me look
05:47 mtompset Or $all = $all || $gencpanfile; above the pushes.
05:49 mtompset Or perhaps, don't make gencpanfile required, and then fix the logic in the for loop.
05:50 wajasu i left all the code the same.   i only added an alternate output format.
05:50 mtompset But what if you want to only generated the cpan file for REQUIRED?
05:50 mtompset (not just all)
05:52 wajasu thats in the for loop  ( only print for required  )
05:56 wajasu -a --gencpanfile >cpanfile    should give the required.
05:57 wajasu once you have a cpanfile,  you can run carton check, and it reports missing deps.   do carton install ...
06:00 wajasu i only just coded this 10 minutes ago to test the idea
06:05 mtompset not bad for a 10 minute hack. :)
06:05 wajasu :)
06:05 wajasu I'm testing too
06:06 wajasu it needs another module bummer.  DBIx::Class::Exception
06:13 wajasu it needs another module bummer.  DBIx::Class::Exception::blessed
06:13 wajasu Undefined subroutine &DBIx::Class::Exception::blessed called at /usr/share/perl5/DBIx/Class/ line 55
06:18 alex_a1 bonjour
06:18 wajasu hi
06:18 wahanui hola, wajasu
06:21 drojf good morning #koha
06:21 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
06:21 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 9.4°C (8:13 AM CEST on September 21, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
06:22 drojf brr
06:32 mtompset if i wanted to test zebra at the command line, how would I do that?
06:32 mtompset I mean z39.50
06:34 drojf mtompset: vague recollection of a drojf not fully awake: read something about using yaz-client?
06:35 wajasu man yaz-client    there are simple examples in the man page
06:39 * magnuse waves
06:40 magnuse @wunder boo
06:40 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on September 21, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Rising).
06:41 * cait waves
06:43 drojf good morning magnuse and cait
06:43 cait :)
06:43 * cait will spend another friday on a train
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06:44 reiveune hello
06:45 drojf cait: miss the bad internet connection? :)
06:46 cait oh yeah
06:46 cait can't get anything done without it :)
06:47 drojf heh
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07:03 * mtompset laughs.
07:03 mtompset you would think that would be the other way around, cait.
07:04 mtompset BTW, do I really have to patch up a missing file that needs to be copied from the opac directories over to the intranet ones? *sigh*
07:04 cait if it's missing...?
07:04 mtompset Yes, completely missing.
07:04 mtompset comment.png
07:04 mtompset referenced in
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07:05 cait hm
07:05 cait not sure, but is it possible that the file is in th esprite oleonard created?
07:06 mtompset It would be so much easier to just softlink the famfamfam/silk directory, and then anything that is missing on the intranet side would be fixed.
07:10 cait ok have to catch my bus
07:11 cait bye all
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07:14 mtompset wajasu: You still here?
07:15 mtompset Didn't think so. :)
07:18 mtompset figured out the yaz-client enough to tesT:
07:35 drojf there is a koha-request mailing list?
07:35 drojf koha-requests even
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07:48 gaetan_B hello
07:57 mtompset Greetings, gaetan_B
07:59 mtompset So how do I know our koha server's z39.50 information?
08:01 drojf from koha-conf.xml i guess?
08:02 magnuse yup
08:02 magnuse the settings are in there
08:03 magnuse well, the port is the one interesting piece of info, i guess
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08:12 * cait waves
08:12 magnuse \o/
08:12 magnuse on the train?
08:13 mtompset Okay, I uncommented the three sections.
08:14 mtompset changed the __blah blah__ to 9998.
08:14 mtompset how do I restart zebra under a packages install?
08:15 drojf[…]oha-restart-zebra
08:16 cait yep
08:16 cait it'a nice train even
08:18 mtompset found that... but I've busted it good.
08:19 mtompset okay, there we go. Restarted.
08:26 drojf trainternet-- ;)
08:26 mtompset okay, now I get failure messages, which is better than connection refused.
08:28 magnuse mtompset: yay!
08:29 mtompset oh, there's another commented area!
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08:32 cait ...
08:32 cait internet_on_trains--
08:33 cait morning paul_p
08:34 paul_p good morning cait
08:34 paul_p cait = remember 6 years ago. Was here internet on trains at all ? ;-)
08:34 cait i am not sure, using umts
08:34 cait not sure how long that is available now
08:36 drojf good morning paul_p
08:37 drojf wb cait. how is the trainternet? :P
08:37 cait wobbly
08:37 cait ;)
08:37 cait and hi drojf
08:42 mtompset Does that mean your productivity will improve? ;)
08:46 mtompset Okay... I can yaz out, but z39.50 searches still fail.
08:46 mtompset Any ideas?
08:46 wahanui Any ideas are welcome :)
08:48 magnuse mtompset: any error messages?
08:49 mtompset some packet somewhere is getting blocked.
08:53 magnuse firewall blocking port 9998?
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09:02 * mtompset grumbles, "Likely reverse proxy setup issue."
09:03 mtompset But I was able to yaz-client to a partner organization in Australia. Nice. :)
09:04 mtompset On a CentOS 5.8 box, nonetheless. :)
09:04 drojf choo-choo cait
09:04 mtompset cait?
09:04 wahanui That's Ms. Cait to you! or in a very good mood today :) or a librarian, you will get wahanui's information or a hero or signing off on wahanui's patch :) or confused, that's why i am asking, and we shout write it down somewhere
09:04 mtompset kf?
09:04 wahanui i heard kf was cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
09:05 mtompset I think you should revise wahanui's information on cait, cait. :)
09:06 drojf bugzilla switching to the next bug after you change the status or add a comment still gets me near heart attacks. like "OMG why did i edit the wrong bug?!!?"
09:07 * mtompset nods, "Me too, drojf."
09:11 magnuse hm, i think there is a setting for that mtompset and drojf?
09:12 drojf oh really? that would be great
09:12 magnuse Bugzilla > Preferences > General Preferences > After changing a bug
09:12 magnuse[…]la3/userprefs.cgi
09:12 drojf found it
09:12 drojf magnuse++
09:13 drojf less grey hair for me :D
09:13 magnuse yay!
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09:21 * cait-m waves
09:22 magnuse \o/
09:24 mtompset Hi, cait-m. :)
09:24 * mtompset waves back.
09:25 mtompset magnuse++ # yay, I can reduce my worries.
09:25 magnuse w00t
10:22 mtompset Does anyone have a nice perl equivalent to: sudo xmlstarlet sel -t -v 'yazgfs/config/install_log' $KOHA_CONF
10:27 jenkins_koha Starting build #853 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5335 follow-up DBRev number <[…]3d9ea9df8da6ea61a> / Bug 5335 - More granular VAT <[…]0a31518cc6f0c0075>
10:38 mtompset Anyone have any good links to security issues related to z39.50?
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10:46 cait another train...
10:58 mtompset I just don't get it.
10:59 mtompset I can yaz out, and yaz locally, but I can't do a z39.50 search?!
11:01 drojf what do you mean? you can connect to your server but not search? or not connect at all?
11:09 mtompset Ah! All the default Z39.50 clients don't work!
11:09 mtompset The one I could taz to, did work.
11:09 mtompset yaz.
11:10 mtompset AH! Because the ports are blocked.
11:10 mtompset They aren't the standard 9998.
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11:14 gtf21 hello all
11:14 gtf21 I wonder if someone could help me, I am getting errors with the apt repository for squeeze/main
11:15 gtf21 (yes I copy-and-pasted from the wiki, and then made sure there were no typos)
11:15 gtf21 apt-get update throws me the following error:
11:15 jcamins_away gtf21: what errors are you seeing?
11:15 gtf21 W: Failed to fetch http://debian.koha-community.o[…]s/squeeze/Release  Unable to find expected entry  main/binary-armel/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)
11:15 jcamins_away gtf21: are you installing on a raspberry pi?
11:16 gtf21 No, a SheevaPlug
11:16 jcamins_away I was close. :)
11:16 gtf21 yep
11:16 gtf21 I guess the armel gives it away
11:16 jcamins_away Yeah.
11:16 gtf21 I mean I could just make install from source I suppose, but having apt-get upgrade would be nice.
11:17 jcamins We don't have armel architecture, so you have to do a workaround.
11:17 jcamins I'm finding the workaround now.
11:17 gtf21 Ahh
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11:17 jcamins[…]e_Koha_repository
11:17 gtf21 using i386?
11:17 gtf21 weird
11:17 jcamins Notice the "dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/"
11:18 jcamins Well, it's all Perl.
11:18 jcamins I'll fix the typo on that page.
11:18 jcamins Hmmm... there are a couple of other packages that may be binary.
11:18 jcamins I'll check.
11:18 gtf21 I suppose it is
11:18 gtf21 thanks
11:19 gtf21 this is for Koha 3.8 right?
11:19 jcamins Nope, all Perl.
11:19 jcamins Yup. :)
11:19 gtf21 is liblime Koha different from this?
11:19 gtf21 because their website lists 4.10
11:19 gtf21 as the latest
11:19 gtf21 which is confusing
11:19 jcamins Very different.
11:20 gtf21 Ahh. What is the difference? They are based on the same source no?
11:20 jcamins LibLime forked Koha 3.1 and made a closed-source system which they called "LibLime Koha."
11:21 jcamins They open source old versions of their code- right now they're actually up to 5.0.
11:21 jcamins I think.
11:21 gtf21 oh right. But both are suitable for personal library management?
11:21 gtf21 my household has a few thousand books
11:21 gtf21 probably only 1k actually
11:21 jcamins If you use LibLime Koha, you are entirely on your own.
11:22 gtf21 I'll use Koha Koha
11:22 gtf21 the open source one
11:22 jcamins :)
11:22 gtf21 I prefer open source
11:22 gtf21 it means I break it
11:22 gtf21 *i can break it
11:24 gtf21 thanks for your help
11:24 jcamins Yup. And drojf can advise you.
11:24 jcamins You're welcome.
11:25 jcamins (drojf is the one who installed Koha on a raspberry pi)
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11:33 Irma wishes Nate a "Happy Birthday" :-)
11:34 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #853: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/853/
11:34 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 5335 - More granular VAT
11:34 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 5335 follow-up DBRev number
11:34 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , More granular VAT
11:53 drojf oh, more tiny koha, cool! :)
11:55 mtompset Woo hoo! I found a mega long perl equivalent to xmlstarlet!
11:55 mtompset For the record: sudo perl -e "use Data::Dumper; use XML::LibXML; my \$parse = XML::LibXML->new();my \$xmldoc = \$parse->parse_file(\"$KOHA_CONF\");for my \$sample (\$xmldoc->findnodes('yazgfs/config/install_log')) { print \$sample->nodeName(),\": \",\$sample->textContent(),\"\n\"; }"
11:56 mtompset The DataDumper is a piece I need to cut out. It was there as I was testing.
11:56 mtompset Now why would I be doing this?
11:56 mtompset bug 459 caught my eye.
11:56 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=459 enhancement, P4, ---, mjr, NEW , No uninstall script
12:07 paul_p QAing bug 8523 now ...
12:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC
12:08 paul_p (and checking everything is OK for UNIMARC)
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12:21 oleonard Hi #koha
12:23 * magnuse waves to Irma and oleonard and cait
12:23 * cait waves back to all
12:24 * cait holds on to #koha
12:24 * cait needs more duct tape
12:27 * magnuse hands cait some duct tape
12:27 cait thank you :)
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12:29 oleonard Who's got permission to do comment-spam cleaning on the web site?
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12:42 mtompset greetings, tcohen.
12:43 tcohen hi mtompset
12:46 magnuse oleonard: nengard and wizzyrea, at the very least?
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13:06 magnuse o/
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13:12 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
13:12 jcamins Again.
13:13 libsysguy again?
13:14 jcamins Yes, unlike _some_ people, I was around two hours ago. :P
13:14 oleonard it's happened again. morning.
13:16 jcamins Silly morning.
13:16 libsysguy dude some of us are in a different time zone :p
13:17 libsysguy you know, the one with low housing costs and a lot of red states :'(
13:17 oleonard You intolerant timezonist.
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13:20 gtf21 hi all, I cannot get my koha intranet to connect (running on debian squeeze, sheeva plug)
13:20 gtf21 the :80 virtual host loads fine
13:20 jcamins libsysguy: 6:17 is perfectly reasonable.
13:20 gtf21 (but gives me a maintenance page)
13:21 gtf21 but the :8080 I cannot connect on
13:21 jcamins gtf21: you installed from packages, right?
13:21 gtf21 (tried changing to :81 but it still doesn't work)
13:21 gtf21 yes
13:21 jcamins gtf21: most likely, you need to add a Listen 8080 line to /etc/apache2/ports.conf.
13:21 gtf21 jcamins, yes
13:21 gtf21 ah
13:21 jcamins The packages default to using virtual hosts.
13:21 gtf21 #fail... I've done this before and I didn't even think of it this time
13:21 jcamins You can modify that default with /etc/koha/sites.conf.
13:22 jcamins (now that you've created an instance, though, you would need to modify the Apache config file)
13:22 gtf21 thanks...
13:22 gtf21 that was pretty stupid
13:22 libsysguy jcamins maybe for old people
13:23 libsysguy some of us just gout out of college
13:23 libsysguy you're lucky bag makes me get up at 8 fro work :p
13:23 oleonard That cruel taskmaster.
13:24 jcamins libsysguy: when I was in college I got up between 5 and 6 every morning.
13:24 libsysguy you're a monster
13:24 jcamins And no, there were no sports involved.
13:24 * oleonard is astonished to hear kids these days talk about only taking classes after 12 and never on Friday
13:25 * oleonard shakes his cane menacingly
13:25 libsysguy GET OFF MY LAWN
13:25 magnuse tsk, kids these days
13:36 * oleonard hopes that means gtf21 was successful
13:36 drojf heh i missed him again
13:37 drojf or her
13:37 drojf i hope we get some feedback about koha on a sheeva plug
13:37 oleonard What is a sheeva plug?
13:38 jcamins It's an embedded system in a wall wort.
13:39 magnuse
13:39 oleonard Thanks jcamins that explains everything :P
13:39 jcamins My pleasure.
13:39 magnuse similar to perhaps?
13:41 jcamins magnuse: only more general-purpose.
13:42 * mtompset cackles.
13:42 mtompset I have the first attempt at an uninstall script!
13:42 magnuse yay!
13:43 mtompset I hope it isn't ubuntu-ist.
13:43 mtompset I think I made it debian-friendly.
13:43 mtompset seeing as I have yet to see a "sudo service apache2 restart" for debian instructions.
13:43 mtompset so I went with the ugly /etc/init.d/apache2 restart call.
13:44 mtompset Oh yuck. Now I have to test it.
13:44 mtompset Someone want to do that for me?
13:44 asaurat does someone know where the variable "dateformat_metric", used in several templates, is supposed to be found ? I see it in TT files but nowhere else -_-
13:45 magnuse mtompset: lol
13:45 mtompset asaurat: I would get it has something to do with KohaDates? at the top.
13:45 mtompset ^get^guess^
13:46 oleonard asaurat: I see it in
13:46 mtompset guidelines?
13:46 mtompset coding guidelines?
13:46 wahanui coding guidelines are[…]Coding_Guidelines
13:46 jcamins mtompset: service apache2 restart works.
13:46 asaurat in ? why didn't my grep find that ? arf... thx I check that
13:46 jcamins So do apache2ctl restart.
13:46 mtompset[…]#Displaying_dates
13:47 mtompset apache2ctl restart?
13:47 mtompset Is that like even lower level cross-platform?
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13:49 jcamins mtompset: no, mostly just convenient, I think.
13:49 mtompset do you need to sudo it?
13:50 mtompset Yes, yes you do.
13:51 jcamins Of course. It's a command for managing the server.
13:51 jcamins I meant "so does" early, not "so do."
13:51 * jcamins doesn't care which variant you use.
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13:53 mtompset if you run apt-get remove koha-common does that delete the user?
13:54 jcamins mtompset: I am not sure.
13:54 jcamins I would think not, though.
13:54 jcamins In fact, if it does, that's a bug.
13:55 jcamins koha-remove is for removing instances.
13:59 magnuse but this was apt-get remove?
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14:01 gtf21 so koha is pretty slow on my sheevaplug (1.2ghz, 512mb DDR2) which is annoying
14:01 gtf21 (and it shouldn't be _that_ slow)
14:01 gtf21 I installed from squeeze/main
14:01 jcamins magnuse: right. Removing the packages should not remove your data.
14:01 gtf21 so 3.8
14:01 jcamins gtf21: did you see the suggestion to use Plack?
14:01 gtf21 if I install from dev
14:01 gtf21 yes, this is my question
14:01 gtf21 if I change my sources.list to have squeeze-dev
14:02 jcamins Don't do that.
14:02 jcamins If you are planning on doing development, go all the way and use git.
14:02 magnuse jcamins: good plan :-)
14:02 jcamins If you are not planning on doing development, you can use 3.8 with Plack.
14:02 gtf21 ah I see
14:02 gtf21 this is sort of what I was asking
14:02 jcamins Plack?
14:02 wahanui Plack is a FastCGI thingy that works with Koha. See for more information.
14:02 * jcamins wrote that, clearly.
14:03 mtompset 512MB?!
14:03 * jcamins will let you finish your question now.
14:03 mtompset OH LORD!
14:03 * mtompset cringes in fear over his Zebra nightmares.
14:04 jcamins mtompset: I've run Koha with 512MB/RAM.
14:04 jcamins mtompset: and drojf is using 256, I think.
14:04 mtompset did you have swap?
14:04 jcamins I did.
14:04 mtompset I didn't. Fear me! :)
14:05 jcamins Zebra requires minimal resources, though.
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14:06 mtompset Not during a full reindex.
14:07 mtompset -- side question... If anyone has packages does their 'koha-list -h' work?
14:07 jcamins mtompset: no.
14:11 gtf21 Koha really should not require more than 512MB of RAM to be honest. I mean database reindexing is quite intensive but surely its day to day operations are essentially as a database frontend
14:11 gtf21 and thanks, jcamins, again
14:12 gtf21 I'll look into Plack
14:12 drojf gtf21: it should run quite ok with plack
14:13 magnuse gtf21: this page might have some more tricks:
14:13 * magnuse wanders off
14:13 drojf gtf21: would be cool if you let us know how it goes with the sheeva plug
14:15 jcamins gtf21: the problem is Apache, really.
14:16 jcamins Each Apache process uses ~50MB/RAM, of which more than half is not shared.
14:16 jcamins (at least, that's my recollection from when I was trying to figure out why Koha was taking up so much RAM)
14:16 gtf21 I'll let you know how it goes
14:18 drojf gtf21: how many items are supposed to go in your db?
14:18 gtf21 probably around 1000 books
14:18 gtf21 it's just for my family's personal book collection
14:18 drojf that should not be a problem
14:19 gtf21 so to reiterate, 3.8 with Plack (done by following should be fine, right?
14:19 jcamins drojf: those are the instructions you followed, right?
14:20 drojf ys i think so. i tried to avoid cpan, used sh-make-perl a lot but i needed to build some more packages than in the wiki
14:23 drojf oh and you don't want to use the profiler:nytprof thing, its for debugging and makes everything horribly slow
14:24 gtf21 will it be ok to use cpan? I am really not familiar with perl
14:25 drojf you would usually want to avoid it. if you use the method with dh-make-perl you get packages that you can remove easily if something goes wrong
14:26 drojf i actually used "sudo dh-make-perl --build --cpan modulename" instead of --install because install gave me errors. you can use --build and then just use dpkg to install it
14:27 jcamins Huh.
14:27 gtf21 what is wrong with using dh-make-perl <cmd> --cpan? As in, why is cpan bad?
14:27 jcamins I didn't know you could do it in one step like that.
14:27 jcamins gtf21: that's the non-CPAN version.
14:28 drojf gtf21: that is fine
14:28 jcamins Installing from CPAN is bad because it results in files that are not controlled by the package management system, so if you run into problems, it's difficult to remove things.
14:29 gtf21 ok now I am really confused (apologies). If I use the commands as written in the wiki, which are, for example "sudo dh-make-perl --install --cpan CGI::Compile" that is the "good" way or the "bad" way
14:29 gtf21 ?
14:29 drojf good
14:29 jcamins That's the good way.
14:29 gtf21 ok
14:29 drojf sorry for the confusion
14:29 gtf21 surely adding --cpan will use the cpan version?
14:29 jcamins The bad way looks like "cpan CGI::Compile"
14:29 gtf21 ahh
14:29 drojf i use a git installation btw, not 3.8. is plack in 3.8 already?
14:29 gtf21 I see
14:29 jcamins gtf21: nope, that's downloading the file off of CPAN, and then creating a package.
14:30 gtf21 ok I understand what you mean now
14:30 gtf21 by "using" CPAN
14:30 jcamins drojf: it's believed to work, yes.
14:30 drojf it's slightly confusing to track plack stuff in bugzilla
14:32 jcamins Ew. Ew. Ew. Red rot.
14:32 jcamins Why am I always wearing black when I encounter books with redrot?
14:33 oleonard Because you're dark moody artist who's always wearing black?
14:33 drojf lol
14:34 drojf hm. misplaced my spare microsd-card. no trying the new "turbo" release for the raspberry pi then
14:35 * jcamins adjusts his beret.
14:35 drojf found a norwegian sim card instead
14:35 oleonard jcamins: When you're handling these things does that mean you're on site at a job?
14:36 jcamins oleonard: yes.
14:36 oleonard Cool.
14:36 oleonard O, the libraries you've seen!
14:36 jcamins These past few weeks have been spent mostly authorizing names.
14:37 drojf i assume that is a work of outmost joy for you
14:38 jcamins drojf: well, there are days when I wish these books said "by John Smith, born in 1853."
14:40 drojf but then they start to speak old church slavonic and the fun begins
14:41 jcamins drojf: on the good days, yeah.
14:41 jcamins :)
14:42 gtf21 I cannot for the life of me get the cpan configuration to be permanent. Every time I use dh-make-perl I have to go through the "Sorry, we have to rerun the configuration dialog for due to some missing parameters"
14:42 gtf21 I tried cpan > o conf init
14:42 gtf21 and cpan > o conf commit
14:43 gtf21 but no such luck
14:43 gtf21 ah
14:43 gtf21 maybe it's a root thing
14:43 jcamins gtf21: did you use sudo before running the conf init?
14:44 gtf21 just thought of that (hence previous message). just going through and checking
14:45 jcamins gtf21: yeah, I started typing before you said the same thing.
14:45 gtf21 I should probably think before typing
14:45 gtf21 then I wouldn't have asked
14:47 * wajasu wonders if  is a viable koha platform   (just plug it in to a tv screen, and usb drive)
14:49 jcamins wajasu: that looks similar to a SheevaPlug, only with more RAM?
14:49 tcohen can anyone point me to the code that actually uses the calendar in the circulation scripts?
14:50 jcamins tcohen: libsysguy would know, but he just left.
14:50 wajasu hdmi on one end,  wifi chip, tine mem card, usbplug for power and storage  its ARM
14:50 tcohen i've read the whole code and found that the only date comes from the HTML
14:50 tcohen and it just checks CanBookBeIssued and then AddIssue
14:51 mtompset Okay... I'm going to attach my untested script up to bug 459 anyways.
14:51 huginn Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=459 enhancement, P4, ---, mjr, NEW , No uninstall script
14:52 tcohen oleonard, do u know if the due date is calculated in the templates somehow?
14:52 oleonard It is not
14:52 tcohen thanks
14:52 drojf uninstall script for koha, eh? nice try, ex libris
14:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8523' <[…]881f4ffcc9e9d597f> / Bug 8523 follow-up OPAC styles for ccsr theme <[…]9f4cb83ac1f9ba39d> / Bug 8523 follow-up fixing perlcritic <[…]diff;h=af96a8ead3
14:55 drojf somebody should go and buy chocolate
14:56 jcamins drojf: chocolate?
14:56 wahanui reiveune ate them all
14:57 mtompset ex libris?
14:57 jenkins_koha Starting build #854 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
14:57 drojf jcamins: yes please :)
14:57 oleonard Proprietary ils vendor mtompset
14:57 drojf mtompset: what oleonard says
14:58 gtf21 drojf jcamins - cannot even get past the dh-make-perl bits. On install I get a problem which then results in the installations failing
14:58 gtf21 and  then when I tried build I get
14:59 gtf21
15:00 mtompset Did they write an uninstall script for koha in the early days or something?
15:00 wajasu maybe try a debug or verbose mode for " make"
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15:02 wajasu gtf21 add -d to make command and see
15:02 Shane-S Hey all spent some time with my librarian today and I have some questions...
15:02 drojf gtf21: ah yes i have that in my logs too. i used wget and built it myself. which lead to some more dependencies
15:02 Shane-S first my "..." after barcodes doesn't work is that a setting or is something broken
15:03 Shane-S in the "add Item" area, where you have the textbox to type/autogenerate a barcode
15:03 gtf21 ah I see
15:03 gtf21 this is messy
15:03 gtf21 ok
15:04 jcamins Shane-S: you need to turn on autobarcode.
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15:07 Shane-S sorry my AP locked up, rebooted it...
15:07 Shane-S jcamins: I missed your response
15:07 reiveune1 bye
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15:07 jcamins Shane-S: you need to turn on autobarcode. It's a syspref.
15:08 Shane-S ok ty
15:08 Shane-S second question...can I change how many record display in the OPAC and Staff searches to make less "pages"?
15:09 jcamins Shane-S: yes. There's a syspref for each. I don't remember what it's called.
15:09 jcamins numSearchResults, maybe?
15:10 Shane-S okay and last question, anyone know a good 39.50 server for kids books. I couldn't find Big Nate Fun Blaster in Lib of Cong or NY Public
15:10 jcamins Big Nate Fun Blaster wasn't in LC or NYPL?!?
15:10 Shane-S trying to make cataloging as easy as I can for my Librarian (whom isn't letting kids use the computers to find book *cries a little)
15:10 drojf gtf21: yes that is kind of experimental still. i don't know if it's only a problem with arm packages or in general, we should have the dependencies in the koha repository one day
15:11 oleonard Shane-S: I find it in Colorado Unified Catalog, a Z39.50 server my catalogers like
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15:12 Shane-S jcamins: I did an ISBN search to no avail same with title... ISBN: 9780062090454
15:12 oleonard[…]=dc.title+%3D+%28^colorado*%29+or+dc.title%​3D%2Fsort+0&_search=Search
15:12 Shane-S oleonard: I will have to add that
15:13 jcamins Shane-S: Seattle PL?
15:13 jcamins Shane-S: I believe you, I was joking. ;)
15:13 gtf21 drojf I cannot get half the stuff to install with dh-make-perl, if I'm not going to use the NYTProf stuff, can I miss out the Plack::Middleware::Debug packages
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15:14 gtf21 actually I can't even install the Static Minifier
15:14 wajasu Shane-S: maybe if you make it look like this[…]ha/   (a random find)
15:14 drojf gtf21: i honestly don't know. dpavlin_ is the plack magician. but you could certainly try
15:14 gtf21 thanks
15:15 gtf21 it's ghastly
15:15 drojf gtf21: yes i remem ber now, why i did not write the plack part up on the wiki. because it was a pain in the ass, i forgot about that :/
15:15 Shane-S wajasu: lol....that won't help her, she is used to kids standing in front of her, she searches, and tells them where to go
15:15 wajasu oh thats a people problem
15:17 wajasu if you have wifi at the school, and there is such a thing as a koha iphone/android app, and some kids have one, maybe tell them to search with the app to bypass her
15:21 * cait waves
15:21 cait finally real internet
15:21 wajasu gtf21:  if you can install cpanm ,  and run     cpanm -L Plack    it will create  a local::lib    and you can add that to your PERL5LIB environment variable
15:23 gtf21 wajasu I was thinking of just resorting to cpanm despite the warnings of jcamins and drojf out of frustration
15:24 gtf21 but alas I cannot install cpanminus without some playing around
15:24 gtf21 because depends on perl >= 5.13 and I have 5.10.1 on squeeze
15:24 gtf21 and it doesn't want me to update
15:27 jcamins gtf21: you can install using CPAN, of course. It's just more likely to make problems down the road.
15:27 gtf21 jcamins that's what I've been trying to avoid
15:28 gtf21 but the frustration of trying to get it to work via packages
15:28 gtf21 is too much while I have other projects I should have been working on :\
15:28 jcamins Yeah, that's an issue.
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15:28 * jcamins only uses i386/amd64 systems.
15:29 gtf21 while that's an option, I love having a low-power server always on at hoem
15:29 gtf21 *home
15:29 gtf21 I did consider using a proper server, but have never had a need to
15:29 gtf21 I like the sheevaplug
15:29 gtf21 (and am waiting for my raspberry pi to arrive - but by god I am not installing koha on it)
15:29 drojf WHY NOT?
15:30 jcamins gtf21: but the raspberry pi has already been done!
15:30 gtf21 drojf I know you had fun with it, but after this experience with the slightly more powerful sheevaplug, I think I'll avoid
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15:30 gtf21 but it will be a similar experience, no?
15:30 gtf21 I mean, raspberry pi is arm
15:30 gtf21 sheevaplug is arm
15:31 gtf21 R Pi just has less RAM
15:31 gtf21 they'll both be running debian
15:32 drojf gtf21: don't know if your sheeva plug would explode from my files and i had to install some things manually too
15:33 gtf21 they're compiled for the same arch right?
15:33 gtf21 so it should be fine?
15:34 drojf that's what i would think, but who knows :)
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15:34 gtf21 indeed who knows
15:34 gtf21 this CPAN installation asks me for my sudo password very three seconds
15:34 gtf21 very annoying
15:34 gtf21 I guess I could give it a go with your deb files
15:34 gtf21 if that's ok
15:34 gtf21 ?
15:34 drojf sure let me upload them somewhere
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15:35 gtf21 thanks
15:35 jcamins gtf21: you could su to root before running the command.
15:36 gtf21 I know but I've got this far
15:36 gtf21 I just want it to end
15:40 jcamins gtf21: are you running other services on your Sheevaplug too? (just out of curiosity)
15:41 gtf21 jcamins yes, netatalk, occasionally transmission-daemon (although that's currently turned off)
15:41 drojf soon, after installing my cool trojan debs ;)
15:41 gtf21 I did run a SiriServer off it at one point
15:42 gtf21 drojf thanks for these
15:42 * mtompset smirks, "My bug got squash by a 2 year old bug that finally made it through."
15:42 drojf i hope it helps. if it does i should maybe put them somehwere permanently for the adventurous people with arm architecture
15:42 mtompset bug fix.
15:43 gtf21 now I have to work out the install order :P
15:43 mtompset I'm off. Try not to have too much fun.
15:43 mtompset And if someone is going to try to do a linux from scratch running koha, let me know. ;)
15:43 drojf gtf21: i think i just did dpkg -i *.deb
15:44 mtompset Anyone have a copy of OS/2? Perhaps we should try to get koha to work on it, just for the fun of it. ;)
15:44 * mtompset laughs as he heads out the door.
15:44 drojf mtompset: if you are really bored try centos first :P
15:45 wajasu gtf21: there is a nice lua xmpp server called prosody   that may play nice on your ARM   i configured it into the IM world.
15:46 Shane-S jcamins: Thanks again, you saved me yet again, all those changes worked.
15:46 jcamins Shane-S: excellent!
15:47 Shane-S oleonard-away: ty for the server page (think it was use, i lost the chat log)
15:47 Shane-S brain just types use instead of you
15:48 * Shane-S would like to trade his hands/brain in for a better model...say $299 a month for 36 months?
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15:50 drojf i guess i will be the one to buy chocolate then
15:50 * drojf wanders off
15:55 gtf21 drojf couldn't get libextutils-makemaker-perl to install but otherwise thumbs up
15:55 gtf21 and thanks
16:04 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #854: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/854/
16:04 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 5335 follow-up DBRev number
16:04 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8523: Display auth hierarchies w/all marcflavours
16:04 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8523 follow-up DBRev number
16:04 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8523 follow-up fixing perlcritic
16:04 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 8523 follow-up OPAC styles for ccsr theme
16:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5335 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , More granular VAT
16:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8523 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Authority hierarchies only support UNIMARC
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16:13 jcamins Did my patch break master?
16:14 jcamins Oh, no, it's sysprefs.
16:14 jcamins !jenkins build master now
16:14 jenkins_koha jcamins: syntax is: 'build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]*'
16:14 jcamins Oh, wait, it's because updatedatabase didn't run, not that updatedatabase ran afterward.
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16:18 jcamins Today I learned that there is a Microscopist of the United States of America, or was in 1894.
16:24 libsysguy wajasu you around
16:24 wajasu yes
16:25 libsysguy hey I got an updated patch on bug 8798, would you mind checking it out when you get a moment
16:25 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8798 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , Add the use of DBIx::Class
16:25 wajasu i'm testing your patch trying to get rid of and exception when running your test
16:25 libsysguy oh
16:25 libsysguy yeah that one
16:25 wahanui i heard yeah that one was populated
16:26 libsysguy its because of our schema
16:26 libsysguy I think we can fix it in the class files but at this point I wanted to take it little by little
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16:28 libsysguy I call it patch creepe
16:28 wajasu i see khall signed off, but i am trying from a virgin debian VM.  there is some dependency missing, did you use cpan on your dev environment?
16:28 libsysguy nope I just used the debian package
16:29 libsysguy there were a lot of packages that were caught by libdbix-class-schema-loader-perl
16:30 wajasu my problem us the   use C4::Context    line causes the exception in comment#5.   I installed libdbix-class-schema-loader-perl
16:31 libsysguy let me go look
16:31 wajasu i want to figure this out, i can't even run perl Makefile.PL
16:32 libsysguy are you running it as the koha user?
16:32 wajasu yes. kohadev
16:32 wajasu koha user
16:32 wahanui koha user is who should own the files after install (or some user that does most definitely not have root privileges)
16:34 libsysguy hmm
16:34 libsysguy so you can get koha to load on that bux but you can't run C4::Context
16:34 wajasu i'm trying to figure out how to debug something that won't compile.  maybe a perl flag?
16:34 libsysguy that seems strange to me
16:35 libsysguy have you done any cpan installs on tha tdev box?
16:36 wajasu yes.
16:36 libsysguy I wonder if something is set to manual
16:36 jcamins libsysguy: what's at line 102 in C4::Context?
16:37 libsysguy use Koha::Schema
16:38 jcamins Ah.
16:38 wajasu which is generated
16:38 wajasu or part of the patch
16:38 libsysguy yeah
16:38 jcamins What did I say about BEGIN blocks?
16:38 libsysguy I'm not allowed to add to them :p
16:38 libsysguy thats not in begin
16:38 libsysguy i swear
16:39 jcamins Okay.
16:39 jcamins I just checked, and it looks like you're in the clear.
16:39 * libsysguy phew
16:39 * libsysguy would hate to have the anger of jcamins rain down on him
16:40 libsysguy im trying to figure out what colin is seeing
16:40 jcamins You mean wajasu?
16:41 libsysguy no colin
16:41 jcamins Oh, no, additional comment from Colin.
16:41 libsysguy comment 17
16:41 libsysguy yeah
16:41 libsysguy is he on here?
16:41 jcamins Nope.
16:41 libsysguy damn it colin :p
16:41 jcamins At least, not if he's still using colinc.
16:42 wajasu libsysguy,  i'm grabbing lunch, then will install a fresh VM, and try your test again.  i'll add a comment.  anyway, adding may not be the best place for a devtool.
16:42 libsysguy yeah that is removed in the latest version
16:42 libsysguy thanks for testing wajasu
16:43 wajasu your welcome.
16:44 wajasu its going to help me because i have a bunch of tests using DBix to make the test dbindependent.  won't integrate until after the release though.
16:45 libsysguy I need it for something I'm working on too, so I'd like to see it in master before I continue too much and have to deal with merge issues later
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17:12 gaetan_B bye !
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17:15 * jcamins wonders if Colin has configured DBIC previously.
17:17 libsysguy it certainly sounds like it
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17:54 tcohen libsysguy, could you please take a look at the patch for bug 8800 I've just attached?
17:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8800 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , SpecifyDueDate && useDaysMode=Datedue wrong behaviour
17:55 libsysguy sure
17:58 tcohen oh, I made a mistake on the last test, replacing that patch
17:58 libsysguy so the code looks ok, (i didn't look at the test)
17:59 libsysguy so it looks like you added a days iterator to the calendar
18:00 tcohen i check for the useDaysMode syspref eq 'Datedue' and make it behave as expected
18:01 tcohen added a helper next_open_day method
18:01 libsysguy yeah I know there have been quite a few problems with that
18:01 tcohen to iterate over closed days until it finds an open one
18:01 libsysguy my only problem with this (and its only because im a picky bastard about the calendar right now) is that it only accounts for days
18:01 libsysguy but since we can't currently set closed hours then I give it an okay
18:02 libsysguy did you need a signoff?
18:03 tcohen yes
18:03 libsysguy give me a sec to apply and test, would you mind including a testing plan?
18:03 tcohen and mostly some advice on the solution I implemented to the problem
18:03 libsysguy heh
18:03 tcohen yes, I'll comment on testing
18:04 libsysguy well I am working on a calendar re-write
18:04 libsysguy I haven't published the code yet
18:04 libsysguy but there is a LOT of it
18:04 tcohen oh
18:04 libsysguy and it definitely won't be done for 3.10
18:04 libsysguy but hopefully 3.12
18:05 libsysguy I wrote it so that it was more unit oriented instead of days hours
18:05 tcohen i understand
18:05 tcohen os you're not working on this code, but on a new implementation
18:06 libsysguy right
18:06 libsysguy I completely deleted Koha::Calendar and started over
18:06 libsysguy I also deleted C4::Calendar
18:06 libsysguy and wrote a new module Koha::Closure
18:06 tcohen for closed units
18:06 * libsysguy should push that code to github
18:07 tcohen of time
18:07 libsysguy well I made Koha::Calendar do only reads from the DB and Koha::Closure only does writes
18:07 libsysguy so Koha::Calendar will have the ability to give you any diff in units, yes
18:09 libsysguy tcohen:
18:10 tcohen oh my
18:11 libsysguy yeah its all ajaxy
18:11 libsysguy I'm working to get the backend running with DBIx::Class
18:15 libsysguy what do you think tcohen?
18:15 tcohen i really like it
18:15 libsysguy sweet!
18:15 libsysguy about to test yours
18:16 tcohen moving closures around is the only complaint our users have (besides the non-working calendar hehe)
18:16 libsysguy heh yeah this should take care of that
18:17 libsysguy ;)
18:17 tcohen hopefully
18:17 libsysguy it'll also let you set open/closed hours
18:17 libsysguy well the test passed
18:17 libsysguy so thats good news
18:18 libsysguy when you have that test plan just pop it in the comments on the bug and let me know
18:28 tcohen added a brief test plan
18:35 libsysguy sweet, I'll check it out
18:37 tcohen its broken
18:38 tcohen :-D
18:46 tcohen libsysguy, gotta leave
18:47 tcohen let me know if you found any problem with it
18:47 tcohen bye #koha
18:47 libsysguy will do
18:48 tcohen made some mistakes
18:48 tcohen and fixed them
18:48 tcohen i realized we don't have tests for circulation yet
18:49 jcamins Alas, no.
18:52 oleonard Anyone else not seeing location information on in master?
18:53 oleonard Oh wait, never mind. Data problem.
18:54 oleonard ...or is it...
18:54 * oleonard frowns
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19:23 libsysguy shoot there was something I was supposed to ask oleonard today
19:23 libsysguy but now I can't remember what it is
19:24 oleonard I hope it wasn't about the shelf browser because my head already hurts from that thing
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19:26 libsysguy dude I avoid that thing like the plague
19:27 libsysguy great now I really can't remeber
19:27 libsysguy it was before all the excitement over DBIx::Class
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19:33 jcamins AAAaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!
19:33 jcamins I was just typing a date. March 1920.
19:33 jcamins Can anyone guess what I ended up with instead?
19:33 wajasu overflow/unerflow
19:34 jcamins wajasu: no, MARC 1920[wait, four digits? oops, this was a year]
19:36 libsysguy tcohen did you know that your patch was broken?
19:44 oleonard jcamins: MARC is both your superpower and your curse
19:54 tcohen libsysguy, is it still broken?
19:54 tcohen i'm on my laptop now and cannot test
19:58 trea kia ora #koha
19:58 trea if you configure your koha server to act as a public z39.50 target, will it ignore supressed items, just like it would in the opac search? anyone know?
19:59 * oleonard would be surprised if it did
20:02 oleonard trea: Confirmed that Z39.50 does *not* ignore suppressed items.
20:02 trea yea i wouldn't think so. oleonard++
20:04 jcamins trea: in fact, all data is returned by Z39.50 at all times.
20:05 trea thanks jcamins
20:05 * jcamins refers those who are concerned about this to item 2(a) in his search rewrite proposal, which would be necessary for changing the status quo.
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20:23 halcyonCorsair wajasu: rangi: jcamins: the chef stuff should install all the dependencies (for ubuntu 12.04), but it does take a little while to install them all, hence the vagrant box with deps to speed things up :)
20:23 jcamins halcyonCorsair: got it, cool!
20:24 wajasu thx for sharing.  deployment is going to get easier. :)
20:25 halcyonCorsair heh, as promised at the end of my blog post about it, I'll about easily using chef knife to get an ec2 image up with it as well
20:26 halcyonCorsair hopefully in a couple of days when I have some time
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20:43 cait evening #koha
20:45 oleonard Hi cait
20:45 cait hi oleonard
20:45 cait hm isn't it weekend for you? :)
20:46 oleonard In 15 minutes!
20:46 * oleonard notices the OPAC search results now have page numbers at the top as well as the bottom of the page
20:47 * oleonard grumbles about that being included in a patch for Bug 8597
20:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Pushed to Master , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
20:47 cait oh
20:47 cait I didn't notice that yet
20:47 cait is it only in those templates?
20:47 jcamins oleonard: really? I didn't notice that either.
20:47 oleonard No, not only in those templates
20:47 oleonard I don't like it when stuff like that creeps in without discussion
20:47 cait understandable
20:48 * cait was not involved
20:48 * cait points at jcamins :P
20:48 * jcamins didn't write it. :P
20:48 oleonard Easy not to notice it when you're testing the patch and only looking at the new theme
20:48 oleonard I'm also getting "Did you mean: HASH(0xb1d5d4c)"
20:49 jcamins oleonard: there's a patch for that.
20:49 oleonard Okay I won't worry about it
20:49 jcamins It's been sitting at signed off since bug 7417 was pushed.
20:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches
20:50 jcamins Bug 8209.
20:50 wahanui it has been said that bug 8209 is pretty good for QA too. :)
20:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8209 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , "Did you mean?" suggestions based on authorities
20:52 jcamins I guess the thing to do is add CSS IDs to the two different paginators, and hide the top one by default.
20:52 oleonard That's reasonable, especially since some people like having one at the top
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21:05 oleonard Bye #koha
21:05 tcohen bye oleonard
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21:20 * magnuse wishes #koha a good night or other time of the day
21:24 trea be well magnuse
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21:30 rangi morning
21:30 wajasu hi
21:30 wahanui privet, wajasu
21:30 * rangi wonders if fredericd is around?
21:31 tcohen hi rangi
21:31 cait hi rangi
21:33 * rangi doesnt see a 3.8.5-translate yet so if anyone wnats to do last minute translating this is your chance
21:37 cait done
21:37 cait hm
21:37 cait 3.8
21:38 rangi ?
21:38 rangi you have to do 3.6 too remember
21:39 tcohen what do 3.8.5-translate is?
21:40 cait rangi: that#s why I am still translating
21:40 wajasu remind me tommorrow is feature freeze, and later on is string freeze?   or are you already releaseing.
21:41 wajasu 4:30 friday for some of us.
21:41 rangi what?
21:41 rangi im rmaint for 3.8.x
21:41 wajasu is it saturday for you?
21:41 rangi there are no feature freezes in 3.8.x
21:41 rangi its always feature freeze
21:41 wajasu oh.
21:42 rangi string freeze was on the 15th
21:42 wajasu oh
21:42 rangi we dont put new features in the stable branches
21:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #181 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:42 rangi are you on the mailing lists?
21:43 wajasu thats one area i rarely look at.  i should. :)
21:43 rangi the release is the 22nd nz time every month
21:43 rangi jcamins releases his on the 22nd his time (3.6.x)
21:43 wajasu ok.
21:44 cait done :)
21:45 tcohen rangi, how do we tell RMaint to look at some patches from master for his release?
21:45 rangi comment on the bug
21:46 rangi however i look at every single patch pushed to master
21:46 tcohen he he
21:46 rangi and then decide if i am going to cherry-pick it
21:46 tcohen several calendar/due date related patches where pushed
21:46 tcohen but I just sent a new one
21:46 rangi yep, too late for 3.8.5
21:47 rangi when it gets pushed to master i'll test it, and decide if i want it in 3.8.
21:47 tcohen yes
21:47 rangi im currently up to date with master
21:47 rangi some I have held until after 3.8.5
21:47 rangi
21:47 tcohen i was asking if there's a way so it is not a problem if i forget about them :-D
21:48 rangi nope, i check them all
21:48 tcohen great rangi
21:49 tcohen so i'm ready for weekend :-D
21:49 rangi i will skip master for security related ones of course
21:49 rangi if you notice one of those, email me directly
21:50 drojf for the record, koha 3.8.4 installs fine on the latest overclocking-friendly 2012-09-18-wheezy-raspbian hard-float image for the raspberry pi
21:50 drojf so the wiki is kind of out of date
21:50 rangi excellent
21:50 wajasu :)
21:50 rangi 3.8.4 works well on new installs
21:50 rangi still issues with upgrading from older isntalls that use fines
21:50 rangi there is a patch to fix that, that is still in failed qa
21:51 rangi the best way to upgrade currently, if you are using fines
21:51 rangi is to do
21:52 rangi update accountlines set description = concat(description,' 23:59') where accounttype='F' or accounttype='FU';
21:52 rangi then upgrade
21:52 rangi this is only if you do overdue fines
21:53 drojf i'm so happy we don't have fines :)
21:53 rangi and only if upgrading from pre 3.8.0
21:53 rangi getting the patch working and in would be god
21:54 rangi but im pleased to say 3.8.4 works well once that is done, and 3.8.5 will be even better
21:54 rangi and less warns in the logs too
21:54 wajasu when is 3.8.6 going to be released ? ;)
21:56 wajasu i wish someone would rebase 6030 as my comment requires so i can test and get html working in overdues notices
21:56 rangi 09:40 <@rangi> the release is the 22nd nz time every month
21:59 tcohen bug 8724 should be considered, for those lonely souls trying to upgrade from NoZebra setups...
21:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8724 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , Upgrade from NoZebra installs is broken
22:00 rangi get it passed qa and pushed into master, then ask me again:)
22:01 tcohen :-P
22:06 rangi preview
22:06 rangi[…]bfef750ae4f6dc238
22:07 tcohen maybe add some \t in the 'bugs fixed' section?
22:08 drojf impressive list
22:09 cait 91 sign offs from rangi
22:09 cait wow
22:18 tcohen its really impresive list, for a maintenance release!
22:19 wajasu phenomenal!
22:28 jcamins_away Guess I'd better e-mail fredericd and ask him for a pull request.
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22:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #181: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/181/
22:45 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Release notes for 3.8.5
23:00 wajasu thats what its all about
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23:46 tcohen nice weekend #koha
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23:54 martian523 hi, why can't i find the "Renewals" box when creating an item type?

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