IRC log for #koha, 2012-07-02

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02:54 Waylon hiya all.
02:55 Waylon Does nginx do virtual hosts?
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03:02 dcook Allo allo #koha
03:06 dcook No one is running 3.8 for clients, are they?
03:06 dcook I take it 3.8.3 is coming out July 21st?
03:12 dcook It looks like the MARC 952 isn't being added/updated for items *facepalm*
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03:22 rangi It hasn't done that since 3.4
03:23 rangi 952 is no longer stored in marcxml
03:24 rangi It's all stored in the items table
03:24 rangi Same in 3.4, 3.6 and 3.8
03:25 rangi If it was updating marcxml that would be a bug
03:34 dcook :o
03:35 dcook Excellent!
03:35 dcook Thanks for the heads up, rangi
03:36 rangi If you have upgraded from 3.2 you need to run a script. It's in the 3.4 release notes but also in the INSTALL file
03:37 dcook That's to sort out your MARC with the 952?
03:38 rangi Yep, or u get doubled up items in it index
03:38 rangi But everything still works except that
03:39 dcook Hmm, good to know
03:39 rangi Not having to update the Marc when items change makes circ faster
03:39 dcook Makes sense to me
03:40 dcook So where is the info stored now?
03:40 rangi So we just create the 952 when indexing
03:40 dcook Oh?
03:40 rangi The items table
03:40 dcook But where in there?
03:40 dcook The more_xml_subfields field?
03:40 rangi In all the columns
03:40 dcook more_subfields_xml*
03:41 rangi No that's only for one's that aren't mapped
03:41 dcook So some of the data will wind up there?
03:41 rangi A very small bit
03:41 dcook I seem to remember not all of the subfields having a corresponding database field
03:42 rangi And nothing that circ touches
03:42 dcook Right. I suppose it pays to keep up with all the releases as a person goes
03:43 dcook So you're saying the 952 is created when indexing?
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03:46 rangi Yes
03:46 dcook I'm a bit confused by that.
03:46 rangi And appended to the rest of the Marc
03:46 dcook Temporarily?
03:46 rangi Same on export etc
03:47 rangi You understand how zebra works?
03:47 rangi We give it xml files it indexes them
03:48 rangi So when we write them we add the 952
03:49 rangi Those files are deleted after being indexed
03:50 dcook Ahh, thanks for the explanation :)
03:51 dcook I didn't/don't really understand how zebra works, but that helps a bit
03:51 rangi Ok gotta go
03:51 dcook Sure. Thanks again!
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04:57 cait good morning #koha
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06:13 alex_a hello
06:13 Rakesh Hi alex
06:13 Rakesh I have installed ubuntu server 12.04
06:13 Rakesh and before installing koha i ahd installed EHCP
06:14 Rakesh my apache islistening to two ports 80 and 8081
06:14 Rakesh when i open it opens koha page saying koha online catalog is offline
06:15 alex_a Rakesh: is the OPAC ?
06:16 alex_a If yes, you should launch koha installer by opening the koha staff interface first.
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06:19 rakesh1 Hi
06:19 rakesh1 any one there
06:20 alex_a rakesh1: \o
06:22 rakesh1 sorry i got disconnected before, i have ubuntu server 12.04, before installing koha i had installed EHCP, apache is listening to two ports 80 and 8081, on port 8081 it is opening EHCP and on port 80 it opens koha but says koha is offline
06:23 rakesh1 not been able to run web installer
06:23 cait rakesh1: normally the web installer listens to 8080
06:24 cait you will have to tell the program you are using a different port if in your http-conf file I think
06:25 rakesh1 ok, so how do i change that
06:27 alex_a bonjour cait :)
06:27 rakesh1 ok, thanks right now in file /etc/apache2/ports.conf i have these lines Listen 80 and Listen 8081,
06:28 cait yes
06:28 cait why did you use 8081?
06:28 rakesh1 initially before installing koha it was only Listen 80 and koha was not running then i put listen 8081 and it started to run but says koha offline
06:28 cait you should make it 8080
06:29 cait if you have something else using this port, it will need more work I think
06:29 cait bonjour alex_a :)
06:30 rakesh1 ok i will do that and in file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default it is written on top that this file is used by EHCP
06:30 rakesh1 could this be a problem
06:30 cait I don't know what ehcp is
06:30 rakesh1 easy hosting control panel for Ubuntu server
06:31 rakesh1 no worries i shall try to change 8081 to 8080 and then see
06:31 rakesh1 Thanks for all your help
06:32 rakesh1 Bye for now:)
06:32 cait bye :)
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06:51 rangi evening
06:51 julian_m hello
06:52 cait hello rangi and julian_m
06:52 julian_m hi cait
06:52 rangi you biblibrans fix your solr servers?
06:53 rangi the leap second bug has been wrecking solr (and other services) aroudn the world
06:53 cait ... time to get to work... rain--
06:53 rangi if you are seeing high cpu usage
06:53 rangi the fix is
06:53 rangi sudo date -s "`date`"
06:54 rangi then restart the service (so ntp, solr, mysql et al)
06:54 rangi (or you could reboot the whole box if course)
06:55 rangi (basically thigns were getting themselves in race conditions)
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07:23 rangi hi paul_p, matts, asaurat and kf
07:23 rangi kf: you should check your linux servers too
07:23 matts hi !
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07:24 marcelr hello #koha'
07:26 kf rangi: noted
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07:56 rangi marcelr: bug 3280 puts REMOTE_ADDR in the x-orig-ip  header, so now the ip number of the person using it is in the header of the mail, before it was just the ip of the webserver that sent the mail to the mailserver, afaik under german privacy laws, they cant even keep ip numbers in their server logs
07:56 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3280 normal, P3, ---, semarie-koha, Pushed to Master , opac/ security leaky
07:57 rangi so kf will probably need to check with a privacy expert ( i know they as a public institution get audited for privacy)
07:58 rangi it might be that needs to become a syspref, so a library can decide conciously if they think it is worth adding the header (which btw is a MS 'standard' they introduced into hotmail)
07:58 rangi and which may or may not have any useful impact on spam (im not sure that it does)
07:58 kf I think it might be a problem
07:59 kf because we would have to inform the patron before he sends out the mail that it will reveal his/her ip address
07:59 rangi the rest of the patch seems fine tho
07:59 marcelr the patch can live without it, i suppose
07:59 kf it's already pushed, that will be the problem I think :(
07:59 rangi not to 3.8.x its not
08:00 rangi but yes to master
08:00 kf yeah, but i have to keep an eye on that... if it remains in there
08:00 marcelr getting that line out is not a big deal of course
08:00 rangi yep
08:00 marcelr who writes it?
08:01 rangi the main thing is needing to be authenticated to send mail, thats the main spam stopper, the rest is just extra
08:01 rangi because you cant just sign up to an opac :) if someone wants to go into a library to do it, to send spam .. they have too much time on their hands :-)
08:01 marcelr true
08:02 rangi and should jus be hacking drupal or wordpress instead :)
08:02 marcelr i will put a followup on the report then
08:02 rangi for nz, i think its fine, i just remember kf saying germany had much stricter privacy laws
08:02 marcelr about the namespace stuff?
08:03 rangi i think they would have to tell people that they are doing it
08:03 rangi at least
08:03 kf I think so too
08:03 marcelr ok
08:03 kf could check with another coworker, but we also have very strict rules about webserver logs
08:03 rangi which may or may not be a good thing :)
08:03 marcelr i thought we had privacy stuff here :-)
08:03 kf marcelr: it would be nice if you could change it, would save me headaches
08:04 marcelr ok
08:04 rangi the abuse one is handy
08:04 marcelr just the ip line out
08:04 rangi in terms of the blacklists usually contact that address to tell people they are blacklisting
08:05 rangi ahh i just saw pauls comment
08:05 rangi it definitely needs to be a syspref then
08:05 rangi if france needs it, and germany cant have it
08:05 marcelr hard
08:05 rangi intersting in france you have to sell your users out to law enforcement
08:05 rangi in germany you arent allowed to
08:06 rangi i know where id pick :)
08:06 marcelr but we did not have the line before
08:06 rangi nope we've not had it
08:06 kf I think I will go and check again with our expert on this
08:06 rangi until now
08:09 rangi here im pretty sure its neither required, nor not required
08:10 rangi so it doesnt affect my libraries
08:13 kf ok, he is not here today
08:14 marcelr sent patch that comments the line'
08:14 kf thx marcelr
08:17 marcelr rangi: about namespace stuff: is businesslogic not just another generic container :-)
08:17 rangi it isnt businesslogic anymore is it?
08:17 rangi its service now
08:17 marcelr no forgot its new name
08:18 marcelr wiki is old still
08:18 kf I think it was service - data - schema
08:18 rangi and yes its all just generic an equally as unmeaningful as Koha::Utils
08:18 rangi which was kinda my point
08:18 marcelr :-)
08:18 rangi we dont have an inheritance structure, so its just chars
08:19 rangi it could be Koha:
08:19 rangi :wihwq
08:19 rangi :)
08:19 marcelr ?
08:19 kf can't we use funny utf characters?
08:19 slef starts with write, ends with quit?
08:19 kf Koha:(snowman)? :)
08:19 rangi we have no actual structure, its just words, so pick a thing anything
08:19 rangi and push the patch :)
08:19 kf oh, that looks wrong now
08:19 rangi if Service was a class
08:20 rangi and we inherited from it, it would make a lot more sense
08:20 marcelr yes
08:20 kf do we plan on using a framework for the new namespace?
08:20 rangi i think we are building our own?
08:21 kf hm
08:21 kf why not use an existing one? maybe a good place to start introducing?
08:21 * rangi doesnt want to get involved in this discussion :)
08:22 kf ok, forget I mentioned it
08:25 * mle forgets whatever it was the kf mentioned
08:27 rangi heh
08:28 * mle waves
08:28 rangi heya mle!
08:29 mle rangi whne you tweeted about Manran I had been listening to the gig recording. nice timing.
08:29 rangi excellent
08:29 mle hey rangi
08:29 rangi i got an email from norrie's cousin yesterday actually, who is in wellington at the moment
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08:29 rangi its always a suprise when you give someone your card, and they actually pass it on :)
08:30 mle hehe
08:30 mle it looks like a lovely place you live
08:31 rangi most of the time it is :)
08:32 gaetan_B hello !
08:32 rangi heya gaetan_B
08:32 wahanui it has been said that gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons
08:32 rangi heh
08:35 rangi they are good icons
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08:39 gaetan_B rangi: not everyone shares this opinion ;)
08:39 rangi morning eythian
08:39 eythian hello
08:39 wahanui what's up, eythian
08:39 gaetan_B but i do like them a lot :-[
08:43 rangi when someone complains, just say "send a patch then" its suprisingly cathartic :)
08:47 marcelr paul_p: jonathan at work today? or on irc?
08:53 hdl marcelr: jonathan is there... But at the moment in a meeting
08:54 marcelr ok
08:54 marcelr thx hdl
08:54 paul_p marcelr we're at a meeting for 20 more minuts
08:55 marcelr paul_p: ok thx
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09:32 marcelr matts: did you see the questions on bug 7412 ?
09:32 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7412 enhancement, P3, ---, matthias.meusburger, Signed Off , Pre-filling items in cataloguing
09:33 eythian Hmm, I might have to have a go at writing a Unity lens for Koha at some stage.
09:34 matts marcelr, now, yes :)
09:34 marcelr ok thx
09:35 * kf waves at matts and eythian
09:36 eythian hiya
09:36 matts hi!
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09:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #79 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:04 rangi hmm bug 8251
10:04 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha, Needs Signoff , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin
10:05 rangi inverse does not work that way
10:05 rangi[…]g.cgi?id=5644#c10
10:05 huginn Bug 5644: critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , dropbox mode doesn't set the correct date
10:16 asaurat hi rangi: is the version number of Koha ok ? I made an update toward the v3.8.2 tag and in "About Koha" I see ""
10:17 eythian asaurat: I've seen the same thing, I think it's OK
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10:28 rangi yep i just forgot to bump it before release, it'll catch up at 3.8.3 (wasnt worth doing a new release for)
10:30 rangi but it contains all the db updates, .. actually there havent been any since, so the only change will be a manual bump
10:43 eythian grr, so the action logs contain the biblionumber of a returned item, but not the item number.
10:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #79: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/79/
10:43 jenkins_koha jonathan.druart: Bug 8217: Followup: move code to the document.ready function
10:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8217 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Focus on search box in Detail page (staff search)
10:46 rangi theres a bug for that
10:46 rangi needs signoff
10:46 eythian too late for me now, it means I can't fix this data properly. At least some of it will have to be done by hand.
10:47 eythian and some of it with guesswork
10:47 rangi well the itemnumbers are in the statistics table
10:47 rangi for all the ones that were actually returned, and they started putting the others aside
10:48 rangi so it shouldnt be many at all
10:48 rangi id be inclined to leave them, just do the ones we know about from statistics, more likely make a mess otherwise
10:48 eythian the item number are only in the stats table if koha new they were issued, I think.
10:49 eythian Yeah, if there was no circ data, the return didn't go into the statistics
10:49 eythian (which makes sense)
10:50 eythian actually
10:50 eythian lets see how old our circ data is anyway
10:50 rangi yep, but they put aside any that said they werent out
10:50 rangi so if they just return them tomorrow it should be ok
10:51 rangi if it wasnt issued
10:51 rangi it goes in as localuse
10:51 eythian I thought they put aside any that the system didn't know about
10:51 eythian that is, didn't recognise the barcode
10:51 rangi 143 of those
10:51 rangi so yep, those are the ones not on issue
10:52 rangi the ones marked localuse in statistics
10:52 eythian oh right, so any of those can be treated like a return?
10:52 rangi yup
10:52 eythian OK cool
10:52 rangi they are a return when the item is not out
10:53 rangi the idea being, you return things before you shelve them
10:53 eythian yeah
10:53 rangi and then you track what people have been reading
10:53 rangi but happily the byproduct is we can use them in this case :)
10:53 kf :)
10:54 eythian oh, I checked logs. They're putting stuff aside that's not in the catalogue, so we can't rely on that for the data we have
10:54 eythian but that should be OK
10:55 rangi yep
10:55 rangi they can deal with them tomorrow when we have the missing sstuff in hopefully
10:55 eythian yeah
10:56 eythian looks like the circ data we got was only 2 weeks old, too.
10:56 kf 2 weeks!
10:56 wahanui 2 weeks is good
10:56 kf no wahanui, 2 weeks is not good
10:56 wahanui okay, kf.
10:58 eythian hrm, looks like an error in my circ import, it sets the issue date to "today", rather than the transaction date from the source.
10:59 eythian not the end of the world though
10:59 Waylon 2 weeks!
10:59 wahanui 2 weeks is, like, not good
10:59 Waylon hahah
10:59 eythian 2 weeks isn't bad in this case.
11:00 Waylon wahanui, 2 weeks is not good nor bad, but thinking makes it so.
11:00 wahanui ...but 2 weeks is not good...
11:00 Waylon wahanui, forget 2 weeks
11:00 wahanui Waylon: I forgot 2 weeks
11:00 Waylon wahanui, 2 weeks is not good nor bad, but thinking makes it so.
11:00 wahanui OK, Waylon.
11:00 Waylon 2 weeks!
11:00 wahanui hmmm... 2 weeks is not good nor bad, but thinking makes it so.
11:00 Waylon HAHA! fantastic!
11:01 Waylon okay, afk. dishes :(
11:02 eythian OK, I think I'm going to have to do this the hard way and make a smart script. I can't just filter on ISBN, as that'll drop any new items.
11:03 eythian so, it'll have to use ISBN or whatever for matching, and then items barcodes for for them.
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12:06 drojf hi #koha
12:13 mglavica hi
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12:13 drojf hi mglavica :)
12:14 mglavica does somebody know how many installations of Koha there are arround the world?
12:15 mglavica some rough estimation please
12:15 drojf i think rangi said something like millions of downloads. and a lot more than the ~1000 that libwebcats knows of. i think he said 4000 in his talk?
12:16 mglavica thnx
12:16 drojf its on, you could just watch it if nobody else is around that knows
12:18 eythian I usually say ~1,000 as that's fairly confirmable, but it's impossible to be sure, and there are bound to be many more.
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12:20 Herwig Hey all
12:22 Herwig is there annyone here who knows how to get the search engine in koha working ? i installed it but search results 0
12:22 eythian Herwig: how did you install it, and what version are you running?
12:23 Herwig 3.81 + zebra followed the instructions on the web
12:23 eythian there are many instructions on the web
12:23 Herwig ubuntu + koha instructions
12:23 Herwig also folowed the readme file
12:24 eythian OK. Do a 'ps ax|grep zebra' and see if it says you have zebrasrv running
12:25 Herwig 12472 ?        Ss     0:00 daemon --name=koha-zebra-ctl.koha --errlog=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.err --stdout=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.log --output=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon-output.log --verbose=1 --respawn --delay=30 --user=koha koha -- /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 12473 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/zebrasrv
12:25 eythian well that looks promising.
12:25 eythian you do have things catalogued?
12:26 eythian and you have set up the rebuild_zebra cron job?
12:26 eythian It's that cron job that adds things to the zebra index
12:26 Herwig i imported a few files from z38.50
12:26 Herwig or is it 39 ;)
12:26 eythian 39 :)
12:27 Herwig wait i go and find the cron job
12:27 Herwig just a sec did it last week
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12:34 Herwig first i did put it in sudo crontab -l (did not work)  ...but i used a koha user aftherwards but how do i find that again :OP searching
12:36 eythian I would recommend doing it however it says in the instructions.
12:38 Herwig found it
12:39 Herwig sudo vi /etc/cron.d/koha
12:39 Herwig 1 * * * *    koha    $KOHAPATH/bin/migration_tools/ -a -b -z 2>&1 > /dev/null
12:39 Herwig i used[…]ki/Koha_on_Ubuntu
12:40 eythian you need to replace $KOHAPATH with your path to koha
12:40 kf mglavica: you can search for koha in lib web cats with a registered account - but I always tell people to be cautious with the numbers
12:40 Herwig 1 * * * *    koha    /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -a
12:40 Herwig i did
12:40 eythian does it really end at '-a' because that would explain your problem.
12:40 Herwig i copied the first url from web ;)
12:41 Herwig no
12:41 Herwig 1 * * * *    koha    /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -a -b -z 2>&1 > /dev/null
12:41 Herwig its hars to copy in a linux box under windows
12:41 eythian what happens when you run it by hand, but stick some -v -v on the end and get rid of the 2>&1 > .. bit
12:41 eythian oh, don't use windows, it makes that easier.
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12:42 Herwig i'm forced using it ;)
12:42 Herwig wait i do ./usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -a -b -z 2>&1 > /dev/null  ???
12:42 eythian no
12:43 eythian you do:
12:43 eythian /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -a -b -r -v -v
12:44 Herwig inboop@TEMPLINUX:/$ sudo /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -a -b -r -v -v Can't locate C4/ in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebr
12:45 Herwig i'm still learning sorry
12:45 eythian oh
12:45 tcohen PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha  /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -a -b -r -v -v
12:45 eythian but equally importantly, is PERL5LIB defined somewhere in the cron file
12:45 eythian also KOHA_CONF
12:45 eythian which will be the next error
12:46 kf Herwig: are you using the example crontab file?
12:46 Herwig i did
12:46 tcohen but you're running from cmnd line now, right?
12:46 Herwig if i do the PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha  /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/ -a -b -r -v -v i get error
12:47 tcohen don't forget the 'sudo'
12:47 eythian yes, you will
12:47 kf are the paths correct for your system?
12:47 tcohen which I did
12:47 eythian the problem is that KOHA_CONF is not defined
12:47 eythian is it defined in the cron file?
12:47 eythian also, is PERL5LIB defined in the cron file?
12:47 kf there are 2 lines on top where you might have to change the paths
12:48 Herwig no ... i did read that in the help on koha site but i dont know how to define them
12:48 tcohen try putting this lines in /etc/environment
12:48 tcohen KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
12:48 tcohen PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
12:48 eythian the instructions say to put them in the cron file, you have to do that.
12:49 eythian[…]untu#Install_Koha <-- step 3 after this
12:49 tcohen eythian: yes, my suggestion might help for running from command line
12:49 eythian tcohen: but you're adding to confusion by deviating from the instructions :)
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12:50 tcohen eythian: your'e right! I should change that wiki page :-P
12:50 eythian that's probably a better option.
12:51 tcohen mornin #koha
12:51 eythian though, I'd be reluctant to globally modify PERL5LIB
12:51 * eythian has to get back to focussing on work now
12:52 * tcohen agrees with eythian
12:53 tcohen I actually have wrapper scripts for every command I run as we have several koha instances in same servers
12:54 eythian I just use koha-rebuild-zebra and such :)
12:54 Herwig ok i did put the 3 lines in dont know how i skipped that
12:55 kyleh_ bug 4460 needs sign-off, it's just a quick and easy follow up patch
12:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4460 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, reed, Needs Signoff , Amazon's AssociateID tag not used in links so referred revenue lost
12:55 Herwig very nice to point it out thx already
12:57 tcohen eythian, after upgrading your packages, do u regenerate the translations? what's the workflow?
12:57 eythian tcohen: at the moment by hand
12:58 drojf are there any objections to running a mediawiki on our koha server?
12:58 eythian there's been some work on making it part of the packages
12:58 eythian really it just needs testing which I haven't had time for.
12:58 tcohen koha-l10n-es-ES ¿
12:58 eythian yeah
12:58 eythian drojf: depends.
12:58 drojf eythian: on what?
12:58 drojf :)
12:58 eythian drojf: what apache are you using?
12:59 eythian apache2-mpm-itk won't work with mod_php I think
12:59 drojf hm not sure
13:02 tcohen drojf: apache2 -l
13:04 tcohen is there a script for finding unused preferences?
13:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8130' <[…]a97e47194ef61940a> / Bug 8130 follow-up, removing duplicate tab <[…]058c05b081a00cebf>
13:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #771 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
13:07 kyleh_ bug 4118 needs sign-off, another quick followup patch.
13:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4118 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add Collection Code to Statistics Table
13:12 Herwig ... just did do 01 and 2 see image any tips ... (trying to get the search working)
13:12 nengard I have the survey ready for kohacon2013 - am I supposed to send that out?
13:13 Herwig 2012 was good fun :O)
13:13 nengard drojf I think you asked me to publish the survey at the end of last week ? is that the case?
13:13 mtj Herwig:  you dont have yr env. vars  set correctly
13:13 drojf nengard: please do
13:13 drojf i'd say 2 weeks from when your mail hits the list?
13:14 drojf for voting that is
13:18 nengard It's posted
13:18 nengard and I'll close the voting in 2 weeks
13:18 drojf nengard++
13:18 drojf thanks
13:20 Herwig ok i sudo vi'ed the etc/environment
13:21 nengard[…]2013-voting-open/
13:21 Herwig i dont dare to vote :) maybe i pick the wrong one
13:22 kf Herwig: there is no wrong :)
13:23 Herwig thats what i normally say ... hey thats my line
13:25 kf Herwig: you were in Edinburgh? now I am wondering... who you are :)
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13:26 nengard okay time to take the car to the shop
13:26 nengard ttyl
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13:26 mtj Herwig: ->
13:28 Herwig ok ehm
13:33 drojf Date submitted 1980-01-01 00:00:00 <- i travelled way back in time to vote for kohacon 2013
13:36 Herwig hmz it asks the koha password but there are manny passwords
13:38 kf Herwig: what asks?
13:38 mtj Herwig: you can always just reset that unix password...
13:38 mtj $ sudo passwd koha
13:39 Herwig ow i try
13:39 mtj ^^
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13:43 samuel hi everybody
13:45 kf hi sameul
13:45 kf samuel
13:46 samuel hi kf
13:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #771: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/771/
13:55 jenkins_koha paul.poulain: Bug 8130 follow-up, removing duplicate tab
13:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , attach PDF files to a patron record
14:06 kyleh_ bil..392
14:06 kyleh_ serd3432
14:14 Waylon uhh..
14:14 Waylon kyleh_,
14:14 * kyleh_ mashed the keyboard a couple times ; )=
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14:14 Waylon kyleh_, your pasword sucks and you need to go change it.
14:15 * wizzyrea waves
14:15 Waylon wow, #koha is really 24/7]
14:16 * kyleh_ uses self-salted passwords for security. If my password was 'MyPassword', his gmail password would be 'MyPasswordGma', and his yahoo password would be 'MyPasswordYah', that way if a site is broken in to, and the attacker brute-forces passwords, the password cannot be used to access his accounts on a different site.
14:18 Waylon salts also need to be random.
14:24 kyleh_ I also read[…]ensible-gibberish
14:26 nengard I read that too Kyle, but not all sites let you use spaces ? which is annoying
14:26 nengard and they require you to throw in special characters and numbers
14:26 nengard I tried to change all mine to match what they said in this article, but couldn't
14:27 kyleh_ I know someone who uses non-printing characters in passwords. He types it by holding down a meta-key and typing the character code.
14:28 kf must be hard on mobile phones
14:30 kyleh_ this was from a time before smartphones existed. Don't know if he still does it.
14:42 drojf kyleh_: i read that article too a while ago. funny thing is, i am very often not allowed to use long passwords. it seems like in germany admins love a password length of exactly 8 characters for some reason
14:44 Waylon eep
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14:44 Waylon sounds like they're being md5'ed or something, only, drojf
14:47 Waylon drojf, "The length of the password is typically limited, if stored unencrypted, because the database table was defined with a certainl length for this field. Maybe even worse: If you are not told about it, your password maybe truncated "silently"." http://software-security.sans.[…]word-is-encrypted
14:47 drojf omg i dont want to know that
14:47 drojf lalalalalalala
14:48 drojf scary :(
14:52 Waylon this possibly means that your trusted german websites, know all your passwords, drojf
14:52 Waylon the good thing though, is they don't log your ip address. they're not allowed to.
14:53 kf lol
14:53 drojf heh they do anyway. and google does because they all use it in one or the other way. and facebook. and twitter
14:53 kf that's not exactly true I fear
14:53 kf what drojf said and there are servers outside of germany and all that
14:54 Waylon right.
14:54 drojf also i think there is not really a law that forbids ip logging in general?! what do i know what happens on some guy's webserver
14:54 drojf the interwebs is a scary place
15:03 drojf eythian: sorry, got distracted from the mediawiki question. mod_php on apache-mpm-itk seems to be ok, or would that have become a problem at a later point? the article is from 2008[…]tk-on-debian.html
15:04 eythian drojf: I've not checked for a while, but last I tried it didn't look like it was going to work.
15:04 libsysguy o/
15:04 drojf eythian: ok, i'll probably just try in a virtual machine and see what happens
15:05 eythian I'd be interested to find out
15:06 drojf eythian: i'll let you know when/if i find the time to try it
15:07 tcohen anyone knows why does 'dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.packages' pull i386 stuff?
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15:13 eythian tcohen: that seems odd
15:13 eythian but I don't know why it would be
15:13 eythian unless it's pulling something that has a 32-bit name
15:13 eythian (which would also be odd)
15:14 eythian vim regex for today, reverse a hash in perl (at least, the hash I was working with just now): s/^\s*\(\w\+\)\s*=>\s*'\(\w\+\)',/\2 => '\1',/
15:19 kf wow
15:21 gaetan_B kf: o/, did you get to try the facets on a 3.8 ?
15:21 gaetan_B i feel like they are really broken in unimarc
15:21 gaetan_B the author one at least
15:22 jcamins gaetan_B: wasn't there a patch to fix author facets in UNIMARC?
15:23 jcamins By fredericd.
15:23 gaetan_B jcamins: BZ3216 ?
15:23 gaetan_B that's something else
15:23 jcamins Yeah, that's the one I had in mind.
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15:24 gaetan_B jcamins: what i noticed in my recent installs is that the facet is correctly generated, but once you click on it, you don't get any result
15:24 gaetan_B people with other settings than unimarc don't seem to have this problem
15:25 * gaetan_B will open a ticket in BZ
15:25 jcamins gaetan_B: that's a problem! Not something I've encountered, though.
15:25 gaetan_B hmm jcamins are you using unimarc ?
15:26 gaetan_B i'm wondering if it's something i did, or if something is really broken ;)
15:27 jcamins gaetan_B: no, but once I get my day started (bit of a late start today) I can pull up my UNIMARC install and see if I can test it.
15:27 jcamins I'm not sure I have enough data, though.
15:27 drojf gaetan_B: i think i have seen something like that with one of our facets, we use marc21
15:28 gaetan_B drojf: ahah... this gets interesting!
15:28 drojf hm but cannot reproduce it. seems all good now
15:28 gaetan_B ah good for you then ;)
15:29 drojf i get no hit for evailable records from the facets
15:29 drojf even though in my result list there are plenty
15:29 drojf maybe it was that
15:29 jcamins drojf: the availability limit doesn't work.
15:29 jcamins Never has.
15:29 drojf ok
15:29 gaetan_B drojf: same problem with availability
15:29 drojf good. or not
15:29 * jcamins doesn't know why we have it, to be honest.
15:30 gaetan_B oh i didn't know it never worked, that's embarassing
15:30 drojf yeah we should either repair it or disable it then
15:30 jcamins gaetan_B: if you only have one copy of each book, it works sometimes.
15:30 drojf jcamins: lol
15:30 * jcamins would love to see it repaired, but it's a bit too complicated to do in my free time.
15:39 drojf sometimes. sounds like at every second full moon in a leap year
15:39 gaetan_B fixing this is probably way above my technical skills unfortunately :-/
15:39 drojf i guess i will go with not showing the option. i was able to customize facets for us so that should work
15:39 kf i agree
15:39 kf we should kill it or make it work
15:39 kf it's a bit embarassing the way it is :( only pretending
15:39 gaetan_B drojf: yes i guess i could do this fairly easily with jquery, but the author facet not working is another problem
15:39 drojf gaetan_B: yes. that should not be the case
15:39 gaetan_B and i agree it shouldn't be left here if it's not working
15:39 drojf are the authors linked to authorities?
15:39 gaetan_B yes
15:39 kf drojf: but I tink facets don't use the authnumbers :(
15:39 kf never have
15:39 kf which is another problem...
15:39 drojf oh. maybe they should
15:39 kf oh yes, they totally should
15:39 jcamins Yeah, making facets work with authorities would be a very good idea.
15:39 kf drojf: file an enh request and pay jcamins to make it work? :P
15:39 jcamins :D
15:39 * jcamins likes this plan a lot!
15:39 drojf if i had enough money for that i would probably just try it myself
15:39 kf drojf: and while you are on it... I heard he could fix availability too!
15:39 kf heh
15:39 jcamins :)
15:39 gaetan_B well in the search results i can click on the author next to the title and it will find results (the link looks like that : / but the facet is not finding anything (and its link looks like this :/​d&limit=au:Baddock,%20Barry)
15:39 kf drojf: only joking
15:39 kf but I think jcamins would do a great job :) because he always does
15:40 kf gaetan_B: does a search for au:b. Baddock work?
15:40 kf in keyword search?
15:40 gaetan_B kf: yes
15:41 kf hmpf.
15:41 gaetan_B "au:Baddock and au:Barry" works too, and they all give the same result
15:42 kf perhaps it#s the limit?
15:42 kf but it works for me and the link is totally similar for marc21 :(
15:44 drojf yes thats really weird
15:46 kf jcamins: do you know how limits work? could there be something missing in zebra configuration for that?
15:47 drojf what is the plus of limit over just another &idx=au&q=Baddock anyway?
15:47 drojf it does the same for me, maybe it works for gaetan_B
15:48 * gaetan_B got hdl to work his magic on this
15:48 jcamins drojf: CCL.
15:49 drojf actually it does not do the same, the sorting is different
15:49 gaetan_B limit=au,wrdl: instead of limit=au: does the trick
15:49 gaetan_B because in unimarc the different part of the names are stored in different subfields
15:50 jcamins gaetan_B: isn't that what bug 3216 was supposed to fix?
15:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3216 normal, P2, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , UNIMARC author facets
15:53 Waylon okay thats me, night all
15:53 gaetan_B jcamins: hmm now that i know where it's coming from , maybe then...
15:57 gaetan_B ok it turns out it's another bug so i've opened a new ticket : BZ8345
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15:59 * drojf goes home
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16:04 * gaetan_B going home too !
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16:21 kyleh_ Sign off need on bug 3383, yet another minor followup patch.
16:21 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3383 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Item due reminder digests - cannot display title information
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16:43 kyleh_ bug 7189 needs sign-off
16:43 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7189 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , preference to control if returning lost items gives refund
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16:56 Oak time to go home kf
16:56 Oak kia ora #koha
16:56 Oak @wunder islamabad
16:56 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 38.0°C (9:00 PM PKT on July 02, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Falling).
16:56 kf Oak: not yet
16:57 jcamins kf: see, I don't have to worry about telling you when it's time to go home, because Oak arrives right when it's time for you to go home every day. :)
16:57 Oak :)
16:57 kf now we only have to make me listen to the two of you .)
16:57 tcohen kyleh_: do u think that patch solves bug 8110 ?
16:57 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Fines accruing on closed days
16:58 kyleh_ tcohen: honestly I am not sure. I just hopeing julian would weigh in on it.
16:59 tcohen i'm not sure
17:00 tcohen but I belive durations should work as expected
17:01 tcohen i'm not against making days_between return an integer instead of a duration object, thou
17:01 tcohen if it simplifies the math, better then
17:01 kf hm if not sure - why don't test it?
17:02 tcohen kf: not sure about dirations working as expecte4d?
17:02 kf nt sure if it solves the problem
17:02 kf I can't say much about the code really - but it should be testable?
17:02 tcohen oh, i think it doesnt
17:08 * jcamins has a gift for catalogers everywhere...
17:08 jcamins bug 8208 is almost done.
17:08 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8208 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Add "create authority" button to auth_finder plugin
17:12 tcohen kf, yes
17:16 kf jcamins++ :)
17:17 jcamins Bug 8208 is ready for signoff.
17:17 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8208 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add "create authority" button to auth_finder plugin
17:17 jcamins And I find myself wondering how I ever lived without this feature.
17:18 Oak jcamins++
17:18 Oak plus, a hug for jcamins !
17:19 * Oak prays kf computer hangs so she goes home
17:19 jcamins :)
17:19 kf heh
17:19 kf please don't
17:19 kf I am working with powerpoint on a presentation... chances are already not so good
17:19 jcamins kf: we're hoping that your work is saved first.
17:19 jcamins :)
17:20 kf thx :)
17:20 Oak your'e welcome
17:24 Oak me reboot and try Mint now... hoping my wifi will work on it. Debian 6.0.5 does not pick my wifi chip BCM43227... spent whole Sunday trying to make it work and make Fn keys work... no dice. if Mint also does not work, then Siduction....
17:31 nengard looking for an enhancement i thought i reported - asking that the marc export tool let you load a file of bib numbers to export ? anyone know if I actuallyr eported that or if I dreamt it?
17:31 nengard I can't find it
17:32 jcamins nengard: that'd be really useful, but I have no recollection of you mentioning it before.
17:32 nengard then i'm gonna report it now
17:32 jcamins You know what else would be useful?
17:32 nengard and if it's a dup someone will find it eventually :)
17:33 nengard what else?
17:33 jcamins List of barcodes.
17:34 jcamins If you're transferring a large collection to another library, scan the barcodes of each item you're transferring prior to putting it in the box.
17:35 nengard oh ? yeah
17:35 nengard bug 8346
17:35 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8346 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , batch export marc using file of bib numbers
17:35 nengard I'll add that
17:39 salsa @later tell oak you may need to install the non-free drivers with Mint, but that almost always works for me to get wifi going with Broadcom chipsets.
17:39 huginn salsa: The operation succeeded.
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17:45 kf jcamins++
17:45 kf tests for
17:45 jcamins kf: I just signed off on them.
17:45 jcamins Stacey++ # for actually writing the tests.
17:48 kf oh cool :)
17:48 eythian jcamins: stacey == lamiette
17:48 kf lamiette++ :)
17:49 jcamins lamiette++
17:50 * eythian is expecting a late night at this rate :/
17:50 jcamins eythian: uh-oh.
17:50 jcamins eythian: good news for you is that my day started at 11:30 so you'll have company. ;)
17:51 eythian on the other hand, I now have a script that'll do a bit of a job at merging MARC and items into a live database when there's nothing consistent to match on.
17:51 jcamins eythian: ooh. That sounds pretty cool.
17:51 jcamins How do you do it?
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17:52 eythian jcamins: it just checks a whole bunch of things, starts with item barcodes, then title+author, then abstract, then just title, if they all fail it considers it a new biblio
17:52 eythian for my case it doesn't have to be perfect.
17:52 eythian it just needs to be done today
17:52 eythian we got given weeks-old data for a go live, instead of current stuff, so I need something so that when I'm given the current data I can load it in without messing too much up.
17:54 jcamins Ouch.
17:55 eythian yeah
17:55 jcamins eythian: any idea why 3.8.x thinks it is
17:55 eythian I think just that rangi forgot to bump the version number is all.
17:55 jcamins Okay.
17:56 jcamins But it's not something _I_ did?
17:56 kf jcamins: why should it be you? :)
17:56 eythian well, I don't think so, but if you want some blame, I'm sure it can be arranged :)
17:57 eythian (I assume that's the version your packages are building with, is it?
17:57 eythian )
17:57 kf heh :)
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17:57 jcamins eythian: right.
17:57 jcamins I'd prefer no blame, thanks all the same.
17:58 kf bbl
17:58 kf trying to get home before the rain starts again
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17:59 jcamins Weird... I swear bug 5332 is already in
17:59 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5332 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Add batch reversion capability to bin/
17:59 jcamins I mean, I just looked, it isn't, but I have used the scripts to revert.
18:00 jcamins Oh, I wrote it.
18:00 eythian heh
18:01 jcamins Not the code on bug 5332. But I needed the revert, so I wrote almost identical code for bug 2060.
18:01 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2060 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Ability to import Authorities from Staff Client
18:01 eythian hmm, I think this merge script is going to result in them having slightly cleaner data, they have a lot of multiply-catalogued entries, and it'll skip those on the new stuff, preferring to attach items to already existing records.
18:02 jcamins Excellent!
18:02 wizzyrea yea, sounds hawt.
18:02 jcamins Woohoo!
18:02 jcamins The patch on bug 7818 works!
18:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records
18:07 * jcamins resists the urge to mark it a blocker.
18:12 eythian jcamins: that's good.
18:18 jcamins wizzyrea: you should test bug 7993.
18:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , saved report with hierarchies
18:18 jcamins It looks promising, but I simply don't have the expertise to say that it works properly.
18:18 wizzyrea hmmm
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18:19 jcamins Your librarians will love you forever if you do.
18:20 cait huh? :)
18:20 wizzyrea whoa
18:20 cait back :)
18:20 jcamins Bug 7993. I was encouraging wizzyrea to test it.
18:20 cait bug 7993?
18:20 cait wahanui?
18:20 wahanui cait?
18:20 jcamins huginn?
18:20 wahanui i heard huginn was a bot too veera, not a person
18:21 * wizzyrea would get a dump of her production saved reports just to test that
18:21 wizzyrea we have over 1k
18:21 cait saved reports??
18:22 cait that's a lot!
18:22 eythian I was amazed by how much libraries love their reports.
18:22 wizzyrea it's kind of insanity
18:22 wizzyrea well that and lack of cleanup
18:22 wizzyrea can't find that one report? just recreate it!
18:23 eythian maybe we need a search engine on reports :)
18:24 SJeffery librarians are all insane anyway
18:25 cait eythian: you can search them
18:25 eythian ah right
18:25 cait eythian: but it requires to give them a good name and maybe a good description too :)
18:25 jcamins Only if you give them useful descriptions and names.
18:25 eythian maybe we should enforce attaching a MARC record to each one then ;)
18:26 cait lol
18:27 SJeffery That is just....mean
18:35 eythian OK, borrowers can be merged now. That at least was easy.
18:35 eythian next up: circulation. This won't be an easy one.
18:43 * cait cheers for eythian :)
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19:14 rangi morning
19:15 eythian hi
19:15 wahanui hey, eythian
19:17 cait morning rangi
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20:26 drojf hmm. not much love for kohacon in nigeria
20:27 rangi did you just vote?
20:28 salsa I think Africa's time will come, maybe 2013 was just too soon.
20:28 rangi was 56 votes when I did
20:28 drojf no i voted long ago, i just keep refreshing the window
20:28 rangi heh
20:29 drojf salsa: i read a few times that US people rather vote for a kohacon they could actually attend, which is perfectly ok
20:29 drojf needs more koha in africa before a kohacon there i guess
20:31 rangi well it cant be us again next year, if it wins this year, so maybe 2014
20:32 drojf yeah
20:32 jcamins drojf: I figure I voted to have it in places I couldn't go to for the last three years, time to vote so that I can go. :)
20:32 drojf jcamins: i would do that too
20:32 drojf all places are highly unlikely for me this time ;)
20:33 cait US might be doable on my own
20:37 drojf kohacon holiday? :)
20:38 cait smething like that :)
20:38 eythian it's what I do ;)
20:38 cait is there any place better?
20:38 cait yeah, but what you do is exaggerating
20:38 cait ;)
20:39 cait eythian: hope you are not still working?
20:39 eythian I am
20:39 cait ouch
20:41 eythian It's fairly necessary to finish this today
20:41 drojf eythian: is the weather that bad? ;9
20:41 drojf ;)
20:41 eythian heh
20:41 eythian it's doing that warmish muggy thing it always seems to do in the evening now.
20:42 cait warmish muggy thing?
20:43 eythian it gets muggy
20:43 cait 63 - votes going up fast
20:43 cait ah
20:43 cait it#s like that here all day
20:46 drojf what time is it now in argentina? seems like voters are getting up ;)
20:46 jcamins @wunder cordoba, argentina
20:46 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 7.0°C (5:00 PM ART on July 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady).
20:46 jcamins 5pm.
20:47 drojf heh
20:50 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks
20:50 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 35.4°C (3:49 PM CDT on July 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Falling).
20:51 wizzyrea you should see the forecast - nothing but sun
20:51 wizzyrea sun sun sun sun sun
20:52 cait @wunder Konstanz
20:52 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.8°C (10:50 PM CEST on July 02, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
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21:45 slef @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET
21:45 huginn slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 14.4°C (10:40 PM BST on July 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
21:45 cait hi slef
21:45 slef @wunder Holbeach
21:45 huginn slef: The current temperature in Holbeach, United Kingdom is 15.0°C (9:50 PM BST on July 02, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising).
21:45 slef hi cait
21:46 cait howa re you doing?
21:46 slef bit better
21:55 slef how are you?
21:59 cait tired
21:59 cait waiting for the washing machine...
22:00 drojf washing at midnight… you must have happy neighbours ;)
22:01 cait ah, I don#t think you can hear that
22:01 cait living on the lowest floor
22:01 drojf i bet the guy upstairs thinks the same
22:01 cait and the next bedroom is 2 floors upstairs
22:02 cait hm. well or 1? there is one complete floor in between
22:05 drojf i'm very sound sensitive. i bet i would hear it. i think i can hear it from here :D
22:06 cait lol
22:06 cait you mean you are very imaginative
22:06 cait that's not sound sensitive :P
22:06 drojf no that was an idiot with a tuned car
22:06 drojf i would say both ;)
22:15 drojf @later tell eythian i got a mediawiki now as a virtual host next to my koha dev installation on the raspi. i don't see any problems so far, both works as expected
22:15 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded.
22:16 jcamins drojf: on your _raspberry pi_?
22:16 jcamins Wow.
22:16 drojf that thing is surprisingly capable
22:18 drojf i think i want a tiny rack and 10 of them :D
22:18 jcamins lol
22:18 jcamins I could make a little colony of them under the shelf I'll be putting on my desk.
22:19 drojf :)
22:19 drojf i wonder when they are over that huge backorder thing
22:21 drojf Despatch expected in 11 week(s)
22:21 drojf lol. that said 10 weeks a week or two ago
22:21 jcamins I wonder exactly how I get a 200x2x30cm piece of oak.
22:21 jcamins 2m is kind of a long board to be carrying around the subway.
22:21 drojf grow an oak at home
22:21 jcamins drojf: I live in an apartment.
22:21 jcamins A small apartment.
22:22 drojf no balcony? ;)
22:22 jcamins A....93 m^2 apartment.
22:22 jcamins Nope.
22:22 * jcamins measures the exact length he needs... it's actually probably a bit under 2m.
22:23 drojf i carried parts of a bed from ikea home with two buses. that was pretty much 2m
22:24 jcamins Actually, I can get away with a 5' board.
22:24 drojf a friend of mine transported a couch in the subway :D
22:24 jcamins I also need bricks.
22:25 drojf that does not sound too complicated to get
22:25 jcamins No, but I only want ~10.
22:25 jcamins The question is where I can get a small enough number.
22:26 jcamins Preferably in lots of one or two at a time, since carrying ten bricks might be a bit much.
22:27 cait lol
22:27 cait I think it's time to sleep
22:27 cait people start talking about bricks
22:27 jcamins lol
22:27 drojf if you lived in berlin i would say steal some at construction site, but that may not be normal everywhere in the world :D
22:28 jcamins drojf: oak, though?
22:30 cait i still favour the grow at home idea :)
22:30 jcamins lol
22:31 cait at htis time of the day this sounds perfectly reasonable
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22:35 drojf i wonder if you could grow a bonsai oak with one crazy 200x2x30cm branch that grows somehow horizontally through your apartment…
22:35 drojf or just buy it at some diy store and take it in the subway ;)
22:36 drojf time for bed here also, or i really start googleing how to grow an oak. good night
22:38 ibeardslee it'd take a wee while to get a decent 2m length
22:38 jcamins ibeardslee: yeah, that's the problem.
22:38 jcamins Also, nowhere to put it.
22:39 drojf the cat would love it
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