Time Nick Message 02:54 Waylon hiya all. 02:55 Waylon Does nginx do virtual hosts? 03:02 dcook Allo allo #koha 03:06 dcook No one is running 3.8 for clients, are they? 03:06 dcook I take it 3.8.3 is coming out July 21st? 03:12 dcook It looks like the MARC 952 isn't being added/updated for items *facepalm* 03:22 rangi It hasn't done that since 3.4 03:23 rangi 952 is no longer stored in marcxml 03:24 rangi It's all stored in the items table 03:24 rangi Same in 3.4, 3.6 and 3.8 03:25 rangi If it was updating marcxml that would be a bug 03:34 dcook :o 03:35 dcook Excellent! 03:35 dcook Thanks for the heads up, rangi 03:36 rangi If you have upgraded from 3.2 you need to run a script. It's in the 3.4 release notes but also in the INSTALL file 03:37 dcook That's to sort out your MARC with the 952? 03:38 rangi Yep, or u get doubled up items in it index 03:38 rangi But everything still works except that 03:39 dcook Hmm, good to know 03:39 rangi Not having to update the Marc when items change makes circ faster 03:39 dcook Makes sense to me 03:40 dcook So where is the info stored now? 03:40 rangi So we just create the 952 when indexing 03:40 dcook Oh? 03:40 rangi The items table 03:40 dcook But where in there? 03:40 dcook The more_xml_subfields field? 03:40 rangi In all the columns 03:40 dcook more_subfields_xml* 03:41 rangi No that's only for one's that aren't mapped 03:41 dcook So some of the data will wind up there? 03:41 rangi A very small bit 03:41 dcook I seem to remember not all of the subfields having a corresponding database field 03:42 rangi And nothing that circ touches 03:42 dcook Right. I suppose it pays to keep up with all the releases as a person goes 03:43 dcook So you're saying the 952 is created when indexing? 03:46 rangi Yes 03:46 dcook I'm a bit confused by that. 03:46 rangi And appended to the rest of the Marc 03:46 dcook Temporarily? 03:46 rangi Same on export etc 03:47 rangi You understand how zebra works? 03:47 rangi We give it xml files it indexes them 03:48 rangi So when we write them we add the 952 03:49 rangi Those files are deleted after being indexed 03:50 dcook Ahh, thanks for the explanation :) 03:51 dcook I didn't/don't really understand how zebra works, but that helps a bit 03:51 rangi Ok gotta go 03:51 dcook Sure. Thanks again! 04:57 cait good morning #koha 06:13 alex_a hello 06:13 Rakesh Hi alex 06:13 Rakesh I have installed ubuntu server 12.04 06:13 Rakesh and before installing koha i ahd installed EHCP 06:14 Rakesh my apache islistening to two ports 80 and 8081 06:14 Rakesh when i open 192.168.1.60:80 it opens koha page saying koha online catalog is offline 06:15 alex_a Rakesh: 192.168.1.60:80 is the OPAC ? 06:16 alex_a If yes, you should launch koha installer by opening the koha staff interface first. 06:19 rakesh1 Hi 06:19 rakesh1 any one there 06:20 alex_a rakesh1: \o 06:22 rakesh1 sorry i got disconnected before, i have ubuntu server 12.04, before installing koha i had installed EHCP, apache is listening to two ports 80 and 8081, on port 8081 it is opening EHCP and on port 80 it opens koha but says koha is offline 06:23 rakesh1 not been able to run web installer 06:23 cait rakesh1: normally the web installer listens to 8080 06:24 cait you will have to tell the program you are using a different port if in your http-conf file I think 06:25 rakesh1 ok, so how do i change that 06:27 alex_a bonjour cait :) 06:27 rakesh1 ok, thanks right now in file /etc/apache2/ports.conf i have these lines Listen 80 and Listen 8081, 06:28 cait yes 06:28 cait why did you use 8081? 06:28 rakesh1 initially before installing koha it was only Listen 80 and koha was not running then i put listen 8081 and it started to run but says koha offline 06:28 cait you should make it 8080 06:29 cait if you have something else using this port, it will need more work I think 06:29 cait bonjour alex_a :) 06:30 rakesh1 ok i will do that and in file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default it is written on top that this file is used by EHCP 06:30 rakesh1 could this be a problem 06:30 cait I don't know what ehcp is 06:30 rakesh1 easy hosting control panel for Ubuntu server 06:31 rakesh1 no worries i shall try to change 8081 to 8080 and then see 06:31 rakesh1 Thanks for all your help 06:32 rakesh1 Bye for now:) 06:32 cait bye :) 06:51 rangi evening 06:51 julian_m hello 06:52 cait hello rangi and julian_m 06:52 julian_m hi cait 06:52 rangi you biblibrans fix your solr servers? 06:53 rangi the leap second bug has been wrecking solr (and other services) aroudn the world 06:53 cait ... time to get to work... rain-- 06:53 rangi if you are seeing high cpu usage 06:53 rangi the fix is 06:53 rangi sudo date -s "`date`" 06:54 rangi then restart the service (so ntp, solr, mysql et al) 06:54 rangi (or you could reboot the whole box if course) 06:55 rangi (basically thigns were getting themselves in race conditions) 07:23 rangi hi paul_p, matts, asaurat and kf 07:23 rangi kf: you should check your linux servers too 07:23 matts hi ! 07:24 marcelr hello #koha' 07:26 kf rangi: noted 07:56 rangi marcelr: bug 3280 puts REMOTE_ADDR in the x-orig-ip header, so now the ip number of the person using it is in the header of the mail, before it was just the ip of the webserver that sent the mail to the mailserver, afaik under german privacy laws, they cant even keep ip numbers in their server logs 07:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3280 normal, P3, ---, semarie-koha, Pushed to Master , opac/opac-sendbasket.pl security leaky 07:57 rangi so kf will probably need to check with a privacy expert ( i know they as a public institution get audited for privacy) 07:58 rangi it might be that needs to become a syspref, so a library can decide conciously if they think it is worth adding the header (which btw is a MS 'standard' they introduced into hotmail) 07:58 rangi and which may or may not have any useful impact on spam (im not sure that it does) 07:58 kf I think it might be a problem 07:59 kf because we would have to inform the patron before he sends out the mail that it will reveal his/her ip address 07:59 rangi the rest of the patch seems fine tho 07:59 marcelr the patch can live without it, i suppose 07:59 kf it's already pushed, that will be the problem I think :( 07:59 rangi not to 3.8.x its not 08:00 rangi but yes to master 08:00 kf yeah, but i have to keep an eye on that... if it remains in there 08:00 marcelr getting that line out is not a big deal of course 08:00 rangi yep 08:00 marcelr who writes it? 08:01 rangi the main thing is needing to be authenticated to send mail, thats the main spam stopper, the rest is just extra 08:01 rangi because you cant just sign up to an opac :) if someone wants to go into a library to do it, to send spam .. they have too much time on their hands :-) 08:01 marcelr true 08:02 rangi and should jus be hacking drupal or wordpress instead :) 08:02 marcelr i will put a followup on the report then 08:02 rangi for nz, i think its fine, i just remember kf saying germany had much stricter privacy laws 08:02 marcelr about the namespace stuff? 08:03 rangi i think they would have to tell people that they are doing it 08:03 rangi at least 08:03 kf I think so too 08:03 marcelr ok 08:03 kf could check with another coworker, but we also have very strict rules about webserver logs 08:03 rangi which may or may not be a good thing :) 08:03 marcelr i thought we had privacy stuff here :-) 08:03 kf marcelr: it would be nice if you could change it, would save me headaches 08:04 marcelr ok 08:04 rangi the abuse one is handy 08:04 marcelr just the ip line out 08:04 rangi in terms of the blacklists usually contact that address to tell people they are blacklisting 08:05 rangi ahh i just saw pauls comment 08:05 rangi it definitely needs to be a syspref then 08:05 rangi if france needs it, and germany cant have it 08:05 marcelr hard 08:05 rangi intersting in france you have to sell your users out to law enforcement 08:05 rangi in germany you arent allowed to 08:06 rangi i know where id pick :) 08:06 marcelr but we did not have the line before 08:06 rangi nope we've not had it 08:06 kf I think I will go and check again with our expert on this 08:06 rangi until now 08:09 rangi here im pretty sure its neither required, nor not required 08:10 rangi so it doesnt affect my libraries 08:13 kf ok, he is not here today 08:14 marcelr sent patch that comments the line' 08:14 kf thx marcelr 08:17 marcelr rangi: about namespace stuff: is businesslogic not just another generic container :-) 08:17 rangi it isnt businesslogic anymore is it? 08:17 rangi its service now 08:17 marcelr no forgot its new name 08:18 marcelr wiki is old still 08:18 kf I think it was service - data - schema 08:18 rangi and yes its all just generic an equally as unmeaningful as Koha::Utils 08:18 rangi which was kinda my point 08:18 marcelr :-) 08:18 rangi we dont have an inheritance structure, so its just chars 08:19 rangi it could be Koha: 08:19 rangi :wihwq 08:19 rangi :) 08:19 marcelr ? 08:19 kf can't we use funny utf characters? 08:19 slef starts with write, ends with quit? 08:19 kf Koha:(snowman)? :) 08:19 rangi we have no actual structure, its just words, so pick a thing anything 08:19 rangi and push the patch :) 08:19 kf oh, that looks wrong now 08:19 rangi if Service was a class 08:20 rangi and we inherited from it, it would make a lot more sense 08:20 marcelr yes 08:20 kf do we plan on using a framework for the new namespace? 08:20 rangi i think we are building our own? 08:21 kf hm 08:21 kf why not use an existing one? maybe a good place to start introducing? 08:21 * rangi doesnt want to get involved in this discussion :) 08:22 kf ok, forget I mentioned it 08:25 * mle forgets whatever it was the kf mentioned 08:27 rangi heh 08:28 * mle waves 08:28 rangi heya mle! 08:29 mle rangi whne you tweeted about Manran I had been listening to the gig recording. nice timing. 08:29 rangi excellent 08:29 mle hey rangi 08:29 rangi i got an email from norrie's cousin yesterday actually, who is in wellington at the moment 08:29 rangi its always a suprise when you give someone your card, and they actually pass it on :) 08:30 mle hehe 08:30 mle it looks like a lovely place you live 08:31 rangi most of the time it is :) 08:32 gaetan_B hello ! 08:32 rangi heya gaetan_B 08:32 wahanui it has been said that gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons 08:32 rangi heh 08:35 rangi they are good icons 08:39 gaetan_B rangi: not everyone shares this opinion ;) 08:39 rangi morning eythian 08:39 eythian hello 08:39 wahanui what's up, eythian 08:39 gaetan_B but i do like them a lot :-[ 08:43 rangi when someone complains, just say "send a patch then" its suprisingly cathartic :) 08:47 marcelr paul_p: jonathan at work today? or on irc? 08:53 hdl marcelr: jonathan is there... But at the moment in a meeting 08:54 marcelr ok 08:54 marcelr thx hdl 08:54 paul_p marcelr we're at a meeting for 20 more minuts 08:55 marcelr paul_p: ok thx 09:32 marcelr matts: did you see the questions on bug 7412 ? 09:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7412 enhancement, P3, ---, matthias.meusburger, Signed Off , Pre-filling items in cataloguing 09:33 eythian Hmm, I might have to have a go at writing a Unity lens for Koha at some stage. 09:34 matts marcelr, now, yes :) 09:34 marcelr ok thx 09:35 * kf waves at matts and eythian 09:36 eythian hiya 09:36 matts hi! 09:50 jenkins_koha Starting build #79 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:04 rangi hmm bug 8251 10:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, koha, Needs Signoff , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin 10:05 rangi inverse does not work that way 10:05 rangi http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5644#c10 10:05 huginn 04Bug 5644: critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , dropbox mode doesn't set the correct date 10:16 asaurat hi rangi: is the version number of Koha ok ? I made an update toward the v3.8.2 tag and in "About Koha" I see "3.08.01.002" 10:17 eythian asaurat: I've seen the same thing, I think it's OK 10:28 rangi yep i just forgot to bump it before release, it'll catch up at 3.8.3 (wasnt worth doing a new release for) 10:30 rangi but it contains all the db updates, .. actually there havent been any since, so the only change will be a manual bump 10:43 eythian grr, so the action logs contain the biblionumber of a returned item, but not the item number. 10:43 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #79: SUCCESS in 53 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/79/ 10:43 jenkins_koha jonathan.druart: Bug 8217: Followup: move code to the document.ready function 10:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8217 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Focus on search box in Detail page (staff search) 10:46 rangi theres a bug for that 10:46 rangi needs signoff 10:46 eythian too late for me now, it means I can't fix this data properly. At least some of it will have to be done by hand. 10:47 eythian and some of it with guesswork 10:47 rangi well the itemnumbers are in the statistics table 10:47 rangi for all the ones that were actually returned, and they started putting the others aside 10:48 rangi so it shouldnt be many at all 10:48 rangi id be inclined to leave them, just do the ones we know about from statistics, more likely make a mess otherwise 10:48 eythian the item number are only in the stats table if koha new they were issued, I think. 10:49 eythian Yeah, if there was no circ data, the return didn't go into the statistics 10:49 eythian (which makes sense) 10:50 eythian actually 10:50 eythian lets see how old our circ data is anyway 10:50 rangi yep, but they put aside any that said they werent out 10:50 rangi so if they just return them tomorrow it should be ok 10:51 rangi if it wasnt issued 10:51 rangi it goes in as localuse 10:51 eythian I thought they put aside any that the system didn't know about 10:51 eythian that is, didn't recognise the barcode 10:51 rangi 143 of those 10:51 rangi so yep, those are the ones not on issue 10:52 rangi the ones marked localuse in statistics 10:52 eythian oh right, so any of those can be treated like a return? 10:52 rangi yup 10:52 eythian OK cool 10:52 rangi they are a return when the item is not out 10:53 rangi the idea being, you return things before you shelve them 10:53 eythian yeah 10:53 rangi and then you track what people have been reading 10:53 rangi but happily the byproduct is we can use them in this case :) 10:53 kf :) 10:54 eythian oh, I checked logs. They're putting stuff aside that's not in the catalogue, so we can't rely on that for the data we have 10:54 eythian but that should be OK 10:55 rangi yep 10:55 rangi they can deal with them tomorrow when we have the missing sstuff in hopefully 10:55 eythian yeah 10:56 eythian looks like the circ data we got was only 2 weeks old, too. 10:56 kf 2 weeks! 10:56 wahanui 2 weeks is good 10:56 kf no wahanui, 2 weeks is not good 10:56 wahanui okay, kf. 10:58 eythian hrm, looks like an error in my circ import, it sets the issue date to "today", rather than the transaction date from the source. 10:59 eythian not the end of the world though 10:59 Waylon 2 weeks! 10:59 wahanui 2 weeks is, like, not good 10:59 Waylon hahah 10:59 eythian 2 weeks isn't bad in this case. 11:00 Waylon wahanui, 2 weeks is not good nor bad, but thinking makes it so. 11:00 wahanui ...but 2 weeks is not good... 11:00 Waylon wahanui, forget 2 weeks 11:00 wahanui Waylon: I forgot 2 weeks 11:00 Waylon wahanui, 2 weeks is not good nor bad, but thinking makes it so. 11:00 wahanui OK, Waylon. 11:00 Waylon 2 weeks! 11:00 wahanui hmmm... 2 weeks is not good nor bad, but thinking makes it so. 11:00 Waylon HAHA! fantastic! 11:01 Waylon okay, afk. dishes :( 11:02 eythian OK, I think I'm going to have to do this the hard way and make a smart script. I can't just filter on ISBN, as that'll drop any new items. 11:03 eythian so, it'll have to use ISBN or whatever for matching, and then items barcodes for for them. 12:06 drojf hi #koha 12:13 mglavica hi 12:13 drojf hi mglavica :) 12:14 mglavica does somebody know how many installations of Koha there are arround the world? 12:15 mglavica some rough estimation please 12:15 drojf i think rangi said something like millions of downloads. and a lot more than the ~1000 that libwebcats knows of. i think he said 4000 in his talk? 12:16 mglavica thnx 12:16 drojf its on archive.org, you could just watch it if nobody else is around that knows 12:18 eythian I usually say ~1,000 as that's fairly confirmable, but it's impossible to be sure, and there are bound to be many more. 12:20 Herwig Hey all 12:22 Herwig is there annyone here who knows how to get the search engine in koha working ? i installed it but search results 0 12:22 eythian Herwig: how did you install it, and what version are you running? 12:23 Herwig 3.81 + zebra followed the instructions on the web 12:23 eythian there are many instructions on the web 12:23 Herwig ubuntu + koha instructions 12:23 Herwig also folowed the readme file 12:24 eythian OK. Do a 'ps ax|grep zebra' and see if it says you have zebrasrv running 12:25 Herwig 12472 ? Ss 0:00 daemon --name=koha-zebra-ctl.koha --errlog=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.err --stdout=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon.log --output=/var/log/koha/koha-zebradaemon-output.log --verbose=1 --respawn --delay=30 --user=koha koha -- /usr/bin/zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 12473 ? S 0:00 /usr/bin/zebrasrv 12:25 eythian well that looks promising. 12:25 eythian you do have things catalogued? 12:26 eythian and you have set up the rebuild_zebra cron job? 12:26 eythian It's that cron job that adds things to the zebra index 12:26 Herwig i imported a few files from z38.50 12:26 Herwig or is it 39 ;) 12:26 eythian 39 :) 12:27 Herwig wait i go and find the cron job 12:27 Herwig just a sec did it last week 12:34 Herwig first i did put it in sudo crontab -l (did not work) ...but i used a koha user aftherwards but how do i find that again :OP searching 12:36 eythian I would recommend doing it however it says in the instructions. 12:38 Herwig found it 12:39 Herwig sudo vi /etc/cron.d/koha 12:39 Herwig 1 * * * * koha $KOHAPATH/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z 2>&1 > /dev/null 12:39 Herwig i used http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu 12:40 eythian you need to replace $KOHAPATH with your path to koha 12:40 kf mglavica: you can search for koha in lib web cats with a registered account - but I always tell people to be cautious with the numbers 12:40 Herwig 1 * * * * koha /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a 12:40 Herwig i did 12:40 eythian does it really end at '-a' because that would explain your problem. 12:40 Herwig i copied the first url from web ;) 12:41 Herwig no 12:41 Herwig 1 * * * * koha /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z 2>&1 > /dev/null 12:41 Herwig its hars to copy in a linux box under windows 12:41 eythian what happens when you run it by hand, but stick some -v -v on the end and get rid of the 2>&1 > .. bit 12:41 eythian oh, don't use windows, it makes that easier. 12:42 Herwig i'm forced using it ;) 12:42 Herwig wait i do ./usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z 2>&1 > /dev/null ??? 12:42 eythian no 12:43 eythian you do: 12:43 eythian /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -r -v -v 12:44 Herwig inboop@TEMPLINUX:/$ sudo /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -r -v -v Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebr 12:45 Herwig i'm still learning sorry 12:45 eythian oh 12:45 tcohen PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -r -v -v 12:45 eythian but equally importantly, is PERL5LIB defined somewhere in the cron file 12:45 eythian also KOHA_CONF 12:45 eythian which will be the next error 12:46 kf Herwig: are you using the example crontab file? 12:46 Herwig i did 12:46 tcohen but you're running from cmnd line now, right? 12:46 Herwig if i do the PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -r -v -v i get error 12:47 tcohen don't forget the 'sudo' 12:47 eythian yes, you will 12:47 kf are the paths correct for your system? 12:47 tcohen which I did 12:47 eythian the problem is that KOHA_CONF is not defined 12:47 eythian is it defined in the cron file? 12:47 eythian also, is PERL5LIB defined in the cron file? 12:47 kf there are 2 lines on top where you might have to change the paths 12:48 Herwig no ... i did read that in the help on koha site but i dont know how to define them 12:48 tcohen try putting this lines in /etc/environment 12:48 tcohen KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 12:48 tcohen PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib 12:48 eythian the instructions say to put them in the cron file, you have to do that. 12:49 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_on_Ubuntu#Install_Koha <-- step 3 after this 12:49 tcohen eythian: yes, my suggestion might help for running from command line 12:49 eythian tcohen: but you're adding to confusion by deviating from the instructions :) 12:50 tcohen eythian: your'e right! I should change that wiki page :-P 12:50 eythian that's probably a better option. 12:51 tcohen mornin #koha 12:51 eythian though, I'd be reluctant to globally modify PERL5LIB 12:51 * eythian has to get back to focussing on work now 12:52 * tcohen agrees with eythian 12:53 tcohen I actually have wrapper scripts for every command I run as we have several koha instances in same servers 12:54 eythian I just use koha-rebuild-zebra and such :) 12:54 Herwig ok i did put the 3 lines in dont know how i skipped that 12:55 kyleh_ bug 4460 needs sign-off, it's just a quick and easy follow up patch 12:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4460 normal, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, reed, Needs Signoff , Amazon's AssociateID tag not used in links so referred revenue lost 12:55 Herwig very nice to point it out thx already 12:57 tcohen eythian, after upgrading your packages, do u regenerate the translations? what's the workflow? 12:57 eythian tcohen: at the moment by hand 12:58 drojf are there any objections to running a mediawiki on our koha server? 12:58 eythian there's been some work on making it part of the packages 12:58 eythian really it just needs testing which I haven't had time for. 12:58 tcohen koha-l10n-es-ES ¿ 12:58 eythian yeah 12:58 eythian drojf: depends. 12:58 drojf eythian: on what? 12:58 drojf :) 12:58 eythian drojf: what apache are you using? 12:59 eythian apache2-mpm-itk won't work with mod_php I think 12:59 drojf hm not sure 13:02 tcohen drojf: apache2 -l 13:04 tcohen is there a script for finding unused preferences? 13:05 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8130' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=3764884eae5a4e222639be1a97e47194ef61940a> / Bug 8130 follow-up, removing duplicate tab <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=0294f5e1670c3d351b7d98b058c05b081a00cebf> 13:06 jenkins_koha Starting build #771 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) 13:07 kyleh_ bug 4118 needs sign-off, another quick followup patch. 13:07 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4118 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Add Collection Code to Statistics Table 13:12 Herwig http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/ ... just did do 01 and 2 see image any tips ... (trying to get the search working) 13:12 nengard I have the survey ready for kohacon2013 - am I supposed to send that out? 13:13 Herwig 2012 was good fun :O) 13:13 nengard drojf I think you asked me to publish the survey at the end of last week ? is that the case? 13:13 mtj Herwig: you dont have yr env. vars set correctly 13:13 drojf nengard: please do 13:13 drojf i'd say 2 weeks from when your mail hits the list? 13:14 drojf for voting that is 13:18 nengard It's posted 13:18 nengard and I'll close the voting in 2 weeks 13:18 drojf nengard++ 13:18 drojf thanks 13:20 Herwig ok i sudo vi'ed the etc/environment http://users.telenet.be/webwijzer/koha/3.jpg 13:21 nengard http://koha-community.org/kohacon-2013-voting-open/ 13:21 Herwig i dont dare to vote :) maybe i pick the wrong one 13:22 kf Herwig: there is no wrong :) 13:23 Herwig thats what i normally say ... hey thats my line 13:25 kf Herwig: you were in Edinburgh? now I am wondering... who you are :) 13:26 nengard okay time to take the car to the shop 13:26 nengard ttyl 13:26 pastebot "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "zebra" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/10 13:26 mtj Herwig: -> http://paste.koha-community.org/10 13:28 Herwig ok ehm 13:33 drojf Date submitted 1980-01-01 00:00:00 <- i travelled way back in time to vote for kohacon 2013 13:36 Herwig hmz it asks the koha password but there are manny passwords 13:38 kf Herwig: what asks? 13:38 mtj Herwig: you can always just reset that unix password... 13:38 mtj $ sudo passwd koha 13:39 Herwig ow i try 13:39 mtj ^^ 13:43 samuel hi everybody 13:45 kf hi sameul 13:45 kf samuel 13:46 samuel hi kf 13:55 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #771: SUCCESS in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/771/ 13:55 jenkins_koha paul.poulain: Bug 8130 follow-up, removing duplicate tab 13:55 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8130 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , attach PDF files to a patron record 14:06 kyleh_ bil..392 14:06 kyleh_ serd3432 14:14 Waylon uhh.. 14:14 Waylon kyleh_, 14:14 * kyleh_ mashed the keyboard a couple times ; )= 14:14 Waylon kyleh_, your pasword sucks and you need to go change it. 14:15 * wizzyrea waves 14:15 Waylon wow, #koha is really 24/7] 14:16 * kyleh_ uses self-salted passwords for security. If my password was 'MyPassword', his gmail password would be 'MyPasswordGma', and his yahoo password would be 'MyPasswordYah', that way if a site is broken in to, and the attacker brute-forces passwords, the password cannot be used to access his accounts on a different site. 14:18 Waylon salts also need to be random. 14:24 kyleh_ I also read http://lifehacker.com/5796816/why-multiword-phrases-make-more-secure-passwords-than-incomprehensible-gibberish 14:26 nengard I read that too Kyle, but not all sites let you use spaces ? which is annoying 14:26 nengard and they require you to throw in special characters and numbers 14:26 nengard I tried to change all mine to match what they said in this article, but couldn't 14:27 kyleh_ I know someone who uses non-printing characters in passwords. He types it by holding down a meta-key and typing the character code. 14:28 kf must be hard on mobile phones 14:30 kyleh_ this was from a time before smartphones existed. Don't know if he still does it. 14:42 drojf kyleh_: i read that article too a while ago. funny thing is, i am very often not allowed to use long passwords. it seems like in germany admins love a password length of exactly 8 characters for some reason 14:44 Waylon eep 14:44 Waylon sounds like they're being md5'ed or something, only, drojf 14:47 Waylon drojf, "The length of the password is typically limited, if stored unencrypted, because the database table was defined with a certainl length for this field. Maybe even worse: If you are not told about it, your password maybe truncated "silently"." http://software-security.sans.org/blog/2009/05/29/how-can-i-tell-if-my-password-is-encrypted 14:47 drojf omg i dont want to know that 14:47 drojf lalalalalalala 14:48 drojf scary :( 14:52 Waylon this possibly means that your trusted german websites, know all your passwords, drojf 14:52 Waylon the good thing though, is they don't log your ip address. they're not allowed to. 14:53 kf lol 14:53 drojf heh they do anyway. and google does because they all use it in one or the other way. and facebook. and twitter 14:53 kf that's not exactly true I fear 14:53 kf what drojf said and there are servers outside of germany and all that 14:54 Waylon right. 14:54 drojf also i think there is not really a law that forbids ip logging in general?! what do i know what happens on some guy's webserver 14:54 drojf the interwebs is a scary place 15:03 drojf eythian: sorry, got distracted from the mediawiki question. mod_php on apache-mpm-itk seems to be ok, or would that have become a problem at a later point? the article is from 2008 http://www.debianadmin.com/running-vhosts-with-apache2-mpm-itk-on-debian.html 15:04 eythian drojf: I've not checked for a while, but last I tried it didn't look like it was going to work. 15:04 libsysguy o/ 15:04 drojf eythian: ok, i'll probably just try in a virtual machine and see what happens 15:05 eythian I'd be interested to find out 15:05 drojf [off] i tried to get a wiki or 4 months now, before our it drives me insane completely i'd rather do it myself 15:06 drojf eythian: i'll let you know when/if i find the time to try it 15:07 tcohen anyone knows why does 'dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.packages' pull i386 stuff? 15:13 eythian tcohen: that seems odd 15:13 eythian but I don't know why it would be 15:13 eythian unless it's pulling something that has a 32-bit name 15:13 eythian (which would also be odd) 15:14 eythian vim regex for today, reverse a hash in perl (at least, the hash I was working with just now): s/^\s*\(\w\+\)\s*=>\s*'\(\w\+\)',/\2 => '\1',/ 15:19 kf wow 15:21 gaetan_B kf: o/, did you get to try the facets on a 3.8 ? 15:21 gaetan_B i feel like they are really broken in unimarc 15:21 gaetan_B the author one at least 15:22 jcamins gaetan_B: wasn't there a patch to fix author facets in UNIMARC? 15:23 jcamins By fredericd. 15:23 gaetan_B jcamins: BZ3216 ? 15:23 gaetan_B that's something else 15:23 jcamins Yeah, that's the one I had in mind. 15:24 gaetan_B jcamins: what i noticed in my recent installs is that the facet is correctly generated, but once you click on it, you don't get any result 15:24 gaetan_B people with other settings than unimarc don't seem to have this problem 15:25 * gaetan_B will open a ticket in BZ 15:25 jcamins gaetan_B: that's a problem! Not something I've encountered, though. 15:25 gaetan_B hmm jcamins are you using unimarc ? 15:26 gaetan_B i'm wondering if it's something i did, or if something is really broken ;) 15:27 jcamins gaetan_B: no, but once I get my day started (bit of a late start today) I can pull up my UNIMARC install and see if I can test it. 15:27 jcamins I'm not sure I have enough data, though. 15:27 drojf gaetan_B: i think i have seen something like that with one of our facets, we use marc21 15:28 gaetan_B drojf: ahah... this gets interesting! 15:28 drojf hm but cannot reproduce it. seems all good now 15:28 gaetan_B ah good for you then ;) 15:29 drojf i get no hit for evailable records from the facets 15:29 drojf even though in my result list there are plenty 15:29 drojf maybe it was that 15:29 jcamins drojf: the availability limit doesn't work. 15:29 jcamins Never has. 15:29 drojf ok 15:29 gaetan_B drojf: same problem with availability 15:29 drojf good. or not 15:29 * jcamins doesn't know why we have it, to be honest. 15:30 gaetan_B oh i didn't know it never worked, that's embarassing 15:30 drojf yeah we should either repair it or disable it then 15:30 jcamins gaetan_B: if you only have one copy of each book, it works sometimes. 15:30 drojf jcamins: lol 15:30 * jcamins would love to see it repaired, but it's a bit too complicated to do in my free time. 15:39 drojf sometimes. sounds like at every second full moon in a leap year 15:39 gaetan_B fixing this is probably way above my technical skills unfortunately :-/ 15:39 drojf i guess i will go with not showing the option. i was able to customize facets for us so that should work 15:39 kf i agree 15:39 kf we should kill it or make it work 15:39 kf it's a bit embarassing the way it is :( only pretending 15:39 gaetan_B drojf: yes i guess i could do this fairly easily with jquery, but the author facet not working is another problem 15:39 drojf gaetan_B: yes. that should not be the case 15:39 gaetan_B and i agree it shouldn't be left here if it's not working 15:39 drojf are the authors linked to authorities? 15:39 gaetan_B yes 15:39 kf drojf: but I tink facets don't use the authnumbers :( 15:39 kf never have 15:39 kf which is another problem... 15:39 drojf oh. maybe they should 15:39 kf oh yes, they totally should 15:39 jcamins Yeah, making facets work with authorities would be a very good idea. 15:39 kf drojf: file an enh request and pay jcamins to make it work? :P 15:39 jcamins :D 15:39 * jcamins likes this plan a lot! 15:39 drojf if i had enough money for that i would probably just try it myself 15:39 kf drojf: and while you are on it... I heard he could fix availability too! 15:39 kf heh 15:39 jcamins :) 15:39 gaetan_B well in the search results i can click on the author next to the title and it will find results (the link looks like that : /opac-search.pl?q=au:B.%20Baddock) but the facet is not finding anything (and its link looks like this :/opac-search.pl?idx=kw&q=bad&limit=au:Baddock,%20Barry) 15:39 kf drojf: only joking 15:39 kf but I think jcamins would do a great job :) because he always does 15:40 kf gaetan_B: does a search for au:b. Baddock work? 15:40 kf in keyword search? 15:40 gaetan_B kf: yes 15:41 kf hmpf. 15:41 gaetan_B "au:Baddock and au:Barry" works too, and they all give the same result 15:42 kf perhaps it#s the limit? 15:42 kf but it works for me and the link is totally similar for marc21 :( 15:44 drojf yes thats really weird 15:46 kf jcamins: do you know how limits work? could there be something missing in zebra configuration for that? 15:47 drojf what is the plus of limit over just another &idx=au&q=Baddock anyway? 15:47 drojf it does the same for me, maybe it works for gaetan_B 15:48 * gaetan_B got hdl to work his magic on this 15:48 jcamins drojf: CCL. 15:49 drojf actually it does not do the same, the sorting is different 15:49 gaetan_B limit=au,wrdl: instead of limit=au: does the trick 15:49 gaetan_B because in unimarc the different part of the names are stored in different subfields 15:50 jcamins gaetan_B: isn't that what bug 3216 was supposed to fix? 15:50 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3216 normal, P2, ---, frederic, Pushed to Stable , UNIMARC author facets 15:53 Waylon okay thats me, night all 15:53 gaetan_B jcamins: hmm now that i know where it's coming from , maybe then... 15:57 gaetan_B ok it turns out it's another bug so i've opened a new ticket : BZ8345 15:59 * drojf goes home 16:04 * gaetan_B going home too ! 16:21 kyleh_ Sign off need on bug 3383, yet another minor followup patch. 16:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3383 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Item due reminder digests - cannot display title information 16:43 kyleh_ bug 7189 needs sign-off 16:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7189 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , preference to control if returning lost items gives refund 16:56 Oak time to go home kf 16:56 Oak kia ora #koha 16:56 Oak @wunder islamabad 16:56 huginn Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 38.0°C (9:00 PM PKT on July 02, 2012). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Falling). 16:56 kf Oak: not yet 16:57 jcamins kf: see, I don't have to worry about telling you when it's time to go home, because Oak arrives right when it's time for you to go home every day. :) 16:57 Oak :) 16:57 kf now we only have to make me listen to the two of you .) 16:57 tcohen kyleh_: do u think that patch solves bug 8110 ? 16:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Fines accruing on closed days 16:58 kyleh_ tcohen: honestly I am not sure. I just hopeing julian would weigh in on it. 16:59 tcohen i'm not sure 17:00 tcohen but I belive durations should work as expected 17:01 tcohen i'm not against making days_between return an integer instead of a duration object, thou 17:01 tcohen if it simplifies the math, better then 17:01 kf hm if not sure - why don't test it? 17:02 tcohen kf: not sure about dirations working as expecte4d? 17:02 kf nt sure if it solves the problem 17:02 kf I can't say much about the code really - but it should be testable? 17:02 tcohen oh, i think it doesnt 17:08 * jcamins has a gift for catalogers everywhere... 17:08 jcamins bug 8208 is almost done. 17:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8208 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, ASSIGNED , Add "create authority" button to auth_finder plugin 17:12 tcohen kf, yes 17:16 kf jcamins++ :) 17:17 jcamins Bug 8208 is ready for signoff. 17:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8208 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add "create authority" button to auth_finder plugin 17:17 jcamins And I find myself wondering how I ever lived without this feature. 17:18 Oak jcamins++ 17:18 Oak plus, a hug for jcamins ! 17:19 * Oak prays kf computer hangs so she goes home 17:19 jcamins :) 17:19 kf heh 17:19 kf please don't 17:19 kf I am working with powerpoint on a presentation... chances are already not so good 17:19 jcamins kf: we're hoping that your work is saved first. 17:19 jcamins :) 17:20 kf thx :) 17:20 Oak your'e welcome 17:24 Oak me reboot and try Mint now... hoping my wifi will work on it. Debian 6.0.5 does not pick my wifi chip BCM43227... spent whole Sunday trying to make it work and make Fn keys work... no dice. if Mint also does not work, then Siduction.... 17:31 nengard looking for an enhancement i thought i reported - asking that the marc export tool let you load a file of bib numbers to export ? anyone know if I actuallyr eported that or if I dreamt it? 17:31 nengard I can't find it 17:32 jcamins nengard: that'd be really useful, but I have no recollection of you mentioning it before. 17:32 nengard then i'm gonna report it now 17:32 jcamins You know what else would be useful? 17:32 nengard and if it's a dup someone will find it eventually :) 17:33 nengard what else? 17:33 jcamins List of barcodes. 17:34 jcamins If you're transferring a large collection to another library, scan the barcodes of each item you're transferring prior to putting it in the box. 17:35 nengard oh ? yeah 17:35 nengard bug 8346 17:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8346 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , batch export marc using file of bib numbers 17:35 nengard I'll add that 17:39 salsa @later tell oak you may need to install the non-free drivers with Mint, but that almost always works for me to get wifi going with Broadcom chipsets. 17:39 huginn salsa: The operation succeeded. 17:45 kf jcamins++ 17:45 kf tests for items.pm 17:45 jcamins kf: I just signed off on them. 17:45 jcamins Stacey++ # for actually writing the tests. 17:48 kf oh cool :) 17:48 eythian jcamins: stacey == lamiette 17:48 kf lamiette++ :) 17:49 jcamins lamiette++ 17:50 * eythian is expecting a late night at this rate :/ 17:50 jcamins eythian: uh-oh. 17:50 jcamins eythian: good news for you is that my day started at 11:30 so you'll have company. ;) 17:51 eythian on the other hand, I now have a script that'll do a bit of a job at merging MARC and items into a live database when there's nothing consistent to match on. 17:51 jcamins eythian: ooh. That sounds pretty cool. 17:51 jcamins How do you do it? 17:52 eythian jcamins: it just checks a whole bunch of things, starts with item barcodes, then title+author, then abstract, then just title, if they all fail it considers it a new biblio 17:52 eythian for my case it doesn't have to be perfect. 17:52 eythian it just needs to be done today 17:52 eythian we got given weeks-old data for a go live, instead of current stuff, so I need something so that when I'm given the current data I can load it in without messing too much up. 17:54 jcamins Ouch. 17:55 eythian yeah 17:55 jcamins eythian: any idea why 3.8.x thinks it is 3.8.1.2? 17:55 eythian I think just that rangi forgot to bump the version number is all. 17:55 jcamins Okay. 17:56 jcamins But it's not something _I_ did? 17:56 kf jcamins: why should it be you? :) 17:56 eythian well, I don't think so, but if you want some blame, I'm sure it can be arranged :) 17:57 eythian (I assume that's the version your packages are building with, is it? 17:57 eythian ) 17:57 kf heh :) 17:57 jcamins eythian: right. 17:57 jcamins I'd prefer no blame, thanks all the same. 17:58 kf bbl 17:58 kf trying to get home before the rain starts again 17:59 jcamins Weird... I swear bug 5332 is already in commit_biblios_file.pl. 17:59 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5332 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Add batch reversion capability to bin/commit_biblios_file.pl 17:59 jcamins I mean, I just looked, it isn't, but I have used the scripts to revert. 18:00 jcamins Oh, I wrote it. 18:00 eythian heh 18:01 jcamins Not the code on bug 5332. But I needed the revert, so I wrote almost identical code for bug 2060. 18:01 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2060 enhancement, P3, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Ability to import Authorities from Staff Client 18:01 eythian hmm, I think this merge script is going to result in them having slightly cleaner data, they have a lot of multiply-catalogued entries, and it'll skip those on the new stuff, preferring to attach items to already existing records. 18:02 jcamins Excellent! 18:02 wizzyrea yea, sounds hawt. 18:02 jcamins Woohoo! 18:02 jcamins The patch on bug 7818 works! 18:02 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records 18:07 * jcamins resists the urge to mark it a blocker. 18:12 eythian jcamins: that's good. 18:18 jcamins wizzyrea: you should test bug 7993. 18:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7993 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , saved report with hierarchies 18:18 jcamins It looks promising, but I simply don't have the expertise to say that it works properly. 18:18 wizzyrea hmmm 18:19 jcamins Your librarians will love you forever if you do. 18:20 cait huh? :) 18:20 wizzyrea whoa 18:20 cait back :) 18:20 jcamins Bug 7993. I was encouraging wizzyrea to test it. 18:20 cait bug 7993? 18:20 cait wahanui? 18:20 wahanui cait? 18:20 jcamins huginn? 18:20 wahanui i heard huginn was a bot too veera, not a person 18:21 * wizzyrea would get a dump of her production saved reports just to test that 18:21 wizzyrea we have over 1k 18:21 cait saved reports?? 18:22 cait that's a lot! 18:22 eythian I was amazed by how much libraries love their reports. 18:22 wizzyrea it's kind of insanity 18:22 wizzyrea well that and lack of cleanup 18:22 wizzyrea can't find that one report? just recreate it! 18:23 eythian maybe we need a search engine on reports :) 18:24 SJeffery librarians are all insane anyway 18:25 cait eythian: you can search them 18:25 eythian ah right 18:25 cait eythian: but it requires to give them a good name and maybe a good description too :) 18:25 jcamins Only if you give them useful descriptions and names. 18:25 eythian maybe we should enforce attaching a MARC record to each one then ;) 18:26 cait lol 18:27 SJeffery That is just....mean 18:35 eythian OK, borrowers can be merged now. That at least was easy. 18:35 eythian next up: circulation. This won't be an easy one. 18:43 * cait cheers for eythian :) 19:14 rangi morning 19:15 eythian hi 19:15 wahanui hey, eythian 19:17 cait morning rangi 19:35 * rangi goes to feed the kids 20:26 drojf hmm. not much love for kohacon in nigeria 20:27 rangi did you just vote? 20:28 salsa I think Africa's time will come, maybe 2013 was just too soon. 20:28 rangi was 56 votes when I did 20:28 drojf no i voted long ago, i just keep refreshing the window 20:28 rangi heh 20:29 drojf salsa: i read a few times that US people rather vote for a kohacon they could actually attend, which is perfectly ok 20:29 drojf needs more koha in africa before a kohacon there i guess 20:31 rangi well it cant be us again next year, if it wins this year, so maybe 2014 20:32 drojf yeah 20:32 jcamins drojf: I figure I voted to have it in places I couldn't go to for the last three years, time to vote so that I can go. :) 20:32 drojf jcamins: i would do that too 20:32 drojf all places are highly unlikely for me this time ;) 20:33 cait US might be doable on my own 20:37 drojf kohacon holiday? :) 20:38 cait smething like that :) 20:38 eythian it's what I do ;) 20:38 cait is there any place better? 20:38 cait yeah, but what you do is exaggerating 20:38 cait ;) 20:39 cait eythian: hope you are not still working? 20:39 eythian I am 20:39 cait ouch 20:41 eythian It's fairly necessary to finish this today 20:41 drojf eythian: is the weather that bad? ;9 20:41 drojf ;) 20:41 eythian heh 20:41 eythian it's doing that warmish muggy thing it always seems to do in the evening now. 20:42 cait warmish muggy thing? 20:43 eythian it gets muggy 20:43 cait 63 - votes going up fast 20:43 cait ah 20:43 cait it#s like that here all day 20:46 drojf what time is it now in argentina? seems like voters are getting up ;) 20:46 jcamins @wunder cordoba, argentina 20:46 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 7.0°C (5:00 PM ART on July 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). 20:46 jcamins 5pm. 20:47 drojf heh 20:50 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence ks 20:50 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 35.4°C (3:49 PM CDT on July 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Falling). 20:51 wizzyrea you should see the forecast - nothing but sun 20:51 wizzyrea sun sun sun sun sun 20:52 cait @wunder Konstanz 20:52 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.8°C (10:50 PM CEST on July 02, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). 21:45 slef @wunder Weston-super-Mare SOMERSET 21:45 huginn slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 14.4°C (10:40 PM BST on July 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). 21:45 cait hi slef 21:45 slef @wunder Holbeach 21:45 huginn slef: The current temperature in Holbeach, United Kingdom is 15.0°C (9:50 PM BST on July 02, 2012). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Rising). 21:45 slef hi cait 21:46 cait howa re you doing? 21:46 slef bit better 21:55 slef how are you? 21:59 cait tired 21:59 cait waiting for the washing machine... 22:00 drojf washing at midnight… you must have happy neighbours ;) 22:01 cait ah, I don#t think you can hear that 22:01 cait living on the lowest floor 22:01 drojf i bet the guy upstairs thinks the same 22:01 cait and the next bedroom is 2 floors upstairs 22:02 cait hm. well or 1? there is one complete floor in between 22:05 drojf i'm very sound sensitive. i bet i would hear it. i think i can hear it from here :D 22:06 cait lol 22:06 cait you mean you are very imaginative 22:06 cait that's not sound sensitive :P 22:06 drojf no that was an idiot with a tuned car 22:06 drojf i would say both ;) 22:15 drojf @later tell eythian i got a mediawiki now as a virtual host next to my koha dev installation on the raspi. i don't see any problems so far, both works as expected 22:15 huginn drojf: The operation succeeded. 22:16 jcamins drojf: on your _raspberry pi_? 22:16 jcamins Wow. 22:16 drojf that thing is surprisingly capable 22:18 drojf i think i want a tiny rack and 10 of them :D 22:18 jcamins lol 22:18 jcamins I could make a little colony of them under the shelf I'll be putting on my desk. 22:19 drojf :) 22:19 drojf i wonder when they are over that huge backorder thing 22:21 drojf Despatch expected in 11 week(s) 22:21 drojf lol. that said 10 weeks a week or two ago 22:21 jcamins I wonder exactly how I get a 200x2x30cm piece of oak. 22:21 jcamins 2m is kind of a long board to be carrying around the subway. 22:21 drojf grow an oak at home 22:21 jcamins drojf: I live in an apartment. 22:21 jcamins A small apartment. 22:22 drojf no balcony? ;) 22:22 jcamins A....93 m^2 apartment. 22:22 jcamins Nope. 22:22 * jcamins measures the exact length he needs... it's actually probably a bit under 2m. 22:23 drojf i carried parts of a bed from ikea home with two buses. that was pretty much 2m 22:24 jcamins Actually, I can get away with a 5' board. 22:24 drojf a friend of mine transported a couch in the subway :D 22:24 jcamins I also need bricks. 22:25 drojf that does not sound too complicated to get 22:25 jcamins No, but I only want ~10. 22:25 jcamins The question is where I can get a small enough number. 22:26 jcamins Preferably in lots of one or two at a time, since carrying ten bricks might be a bit much. 22:27 cait lol 22:27 cait I think it's time to sleep 22:27 cait people start talking about bricks 22:27 jcamins lol 22:27 drojf if you lived in berlin i would say steal some at construction site, but that may not be normal everywhere in the world :D 22:28 jcamins drojf: oak, though? 22:30 cait i still favour the grow at home idea :) 22:30 jcamins lol 22:31 cait at htis time of the day this sounds perfectly reasonable 22:35 drojf i wonder if you could grow a bonsai oak with one crazy 200x2x30cm branch that grows somehow horizontally through your apartment… 22:35 drojf or just buy it at some diy store and take it in the subway ;) 22:36 drojf time for bed here also, or i really start googleing how to grow an oak. good night 22:38 ibeardslee it'd take a wee while to get a decent 2m length 22:38 jcamins ibeardslee: yeah, that's the problem. 22:38 jcamins Also, nowhere to put it. 22:39 drojf the cat would love it