IRC log for #koha, 2012-06-02

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01:42 bencahill Hey guys, nothing is coming up for catalog searches, and I'm not really up on what all is involved. I know zebra is running...any ideas?
01:46 bencahill I've got this in koha user's crontab: */10 * * * * KOHACONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ /usr/share/koha/bin/migrat​ion_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z >/dev/null
01:47 bencahill When running it manually as the koha user (without redirecting to /dev/null), this is the only output: UNIVERSAL->import is deprecated and will be removed in a future perl at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Memoize/Memcached.pm line 6
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01:52 bencahill hmm, I'm guessing the /etc/koha/zebradb/ and its contents need to be owned by the koha user?
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01:56 bencahill Aha, I found something in the logs... (d'oh)
02:05 bencahill Searches are empty in OPAC and intranet, and I get this in logs: Memcached.pm: UNIVERSAL->import is deprecated and will be removed in a future perl at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Memoize/Memcached.pm line 6
02:06 bencahill I've searched for a bit, but can't figure out what's wrong...
02:06 bencahill Wait, not that :-/
02:06 bencahill This: search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $key in hash element at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 227.
02:07 bencahill I'm on 3.4.2...old, I know.
02:08 bencahill Is anyone in here at this time of the day?
02:39 bencahill I'm now running rebuild_zebra.pl with -b -r -z
02:39 bencahill -b -r -v
02:41 bencahill ...and still nothing :-/
02:48 bencahill Well, I suppose I'll go to bed, because everyone else has. :P I'll be up in 8 hours or so...cya ;)
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05:03 Oak Ahoy me bon voyage hearties
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05:28 mtompset Hello. I guess everyone takes the weekend off? ;)
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06:49 cait hi #oh
06:49 cait hi #koha :)
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07:17 Oak guten morgen cait
07:18 cait guten morgen Oak :)
07:18 Oak :)
07:21 rangi wow how cool
07:21 cait ?
07:21 rangi http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/
07:21 wahanui http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ is the website presentation
07:21 rangi check it out
07:21 cait mississippi? :)
07:23 Oak cooool
07:30 rangi yep
07:30 rangi its cool that libraries are sponsoring!
07:37 cait it is :)
08:33 slef blurgh#
08:36 cait a wonderful morning to you slef ;)
08:38 slef it looks quite nice and sunny out
08:38 slef but I've more printing to do and some work
08:38 Oak :)
08:39 Oak Miles to go before I sleep
08:40 slef would anyone who will deffo be at the bar Monday 6pm like to give me their mobile number so I can warn if I'm delayed on the journey?
08:41 * rangi will be in the air, dont land until 8.25pm
08:41 rangi actually, ill be at heathrow about to board
08:41 slef now this is one of the strangies
08:42 cait slef: it would be great if you could perhaps drop a mail to the volunteer's list
08:42 cait I think I will have internet, but not sure about phone
08:43 slef I'm starting 150 miles north of there, will have been travelling hours before you get there, only to get there only 3h before you...
08:43 slef cait: OIC. I'll also pop on IRC if I'm not driving.
08:44 rangi heh
08:44 slef maybe I should have said 9pm... oh well... joy of hindsight
08:44 cait slef: not entirely sure yet I will be at the bar
08:44 cait I still have to find out where exactly my hotel is :)
08:45 slef leaving here 8am, should be 6h30 travel time, maybe 2h eating on the way, should be 1h30 to spare
08:45 rangi i think even 9pm i wouldnt make it, got atarau's birthday party tomorrow then 36 hours of travel .. i think by the time i get there, ill get to the hotel say hi to cait, and go to sleep :)
08:45 slef unless my maths is wrong again
08:45 cait don't forget the hi to cait part :)
08:45 rangi heh
08:45 slef rangi: yeah thought you would arrive+crash-out... just 9pm to give me more Slack
08:46 rangi *nod*
08:46 rangi nengard might make it
08:46 rangi shes somewhere in the UK already, eating black pudding
08:47 slef Lancashire maybe?
08:47 rangi could be
08:47 rangi they were going to manchester i know that much
08:47 Oak they?
08:47 wahanui they are non-xslt, but I will check that.
08:48 Oak brooke with her?
08:48 slef nengard and bengard at a guess
08:48 rangi yeah
08:48 slef rangi: which? :)
08:48 Oak ah
08:48 rangi bengard :)
08:49 cait slef: what time do the volunteers have to show up at the kohacon site? :)
08:49 slef cait: volunteers don't have to do anything... but I think 8.30am does that sound right?
08:50 cait ok, crazy volunteers who want to do something then ;)
08:50 slef cait: chairs+tables should be set up for us, so it's pack-stuffing, greeting, registering and probably faffing around with sound and vision equipment
08:51 cait ah
08:51 slef cait: rangi: do you want to chair a half-day out of the 3 days?
08:51 cait i think I wouldn't be much help with the equipment
08:51 rangi i can do that, not tuesday tho :)
08:52 slef rangi: nah I guessed not Tuesday... you're speaking and only just arrived
08:52 slef wahanui: forget they
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08:52 wahanui slef: I forgot they
08:52 rangi but either of the other 2 is ok
08:53 slef I found my stop/go cards from the last conference :)
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08:53 slef for session chairs to signal time remaining to the speaker
08:54 slef green/amber/red/pink
08:54 slef I think we have an evening event too
08:55 slef the message that was sent late Friday (yesterday) night isn't the clearest, but I think that's what it means
08:55 rangi yep mle was organising some celtic music
08:55 rangi he was at the bar :)
08:56 slef oh cool, was he here? :)
08:56 rangi yup
08:56 slef cool
08:56 cait yup
08:56 cait heh
08:56 * cait was here too
08:56 rangi asked if people were interested, i said yes :)
08:56 slef reads like something off tfln
08:56 cait tfln?
08:56 rangi texts from last night
08:56 cait tfln is texts from last night
08:56 cait tfln?
08:56 wahanui tfln is texts from last night
08:56 slef https://twitter.com/TFLN
08:56 cait have to teach wahanui, because I will forget
08:57 slef tfln is also https://twitter.com/TFLN
08:57 wahanui okay, slef.
08:57 slef any idea which evening? :)
08:57 rangi wednesday
08:57 wahanui wednesday is probably fine for me
08:58 slef cool, that was when I'd've picked
08:58 rangi 10:25 < mle_> sooo who fancies having an awesone gaelic singer session on wednesday night?
08:58 slef some people probably scurrying off as soon as it ends Thursday
08:58 cait not us :)
08:58 slef no, not the heroes
08:58 slef the Koha all-stars
08:59 slef sorry I mean the KOHA ALL-STARS
08:59 rangi heh
08:59 Oak_ :)
08:59 cait lol
08:59 slef oh yeah
08:59 slef we got an EPS made of the koha logo
08:59 slef which I can upload once we've paid for it
09:00 rangi ohh sweet
09:01 slef might need further tweaks if it's ever used really big, as it's basically a trace, but seemed like a good idea to get a designer to make it
09:01 rangi yeah it is a good idea
09:02 cait slef+
09:03 cait slef++ even
09:03 cait great thing
09:03 slef sponsors++
09:04 cait slef: did you change the schedule? like you said yesterday?
09:05 cait perhaps we should kill the tables on the wiki, not sure they are still in sync
09:05 cait can put a link to the website instead
09:05 slef cait: only on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/program/
09:05 slef yeah, good move... Once And Only Once
09:06 cait on it right now
09:06 slef Once And Only Once is http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?OnceAndOnlyOnce
09:06 slef cait++
09:07 cait slef: and sorry for the program.... I made rangi proof read
09:07 slef no worries
09:07 slef I just damn near knocked the light off the ceiling
09:07 slef I was moving a chair
09:08 * slef <-- not to be trusted with furniture
09:08 * cait can't be trusted with office equipment
09:08 cait on my internship at the library during study they had to use the first aid kid first time ever
09:09 slef first aid kid? I like that typo :)
09:09 cait lol
09:09 cait kit
09:09 cait '''Scheduled times can be found on the website at http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/program/.'''
09:09 cait ?
09:11 cait any new registrations?
09:17 slef not this morning... although I seem to have two more registrations than names... just investigating that
09:29 cait hmmm how many names do you have? :)
09:39 slef yeah I figured out what had happened
09:40 slef it was the two people who registered without registering for either conference or hackfest
09:40 slef I think we have 75 but I will now check that all speakers are registered
09:40 mle boom
09:40 cait hi mle :)
09:41 slef hi mle... thanks for fixing events... have we spent all the budget now? :)
09:41 slef mle: in other words, how much to hire teviot for an evening?
09:41 slef mle: wrong window
09:41 * slef goes to talk to him over there
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10:00 Oak \o
10:06 slef 75 people... added some unregistered speakers, deducted some duplicate registrations
10:06 cait hm
10:06 slef well, 76 people... 75 at conference, 49 at hackfest
10:06 cait ok :)
10:06 cait wow
10:06 cait I guess many peopl enot from uk?
10:07 slef it'll take me a minute to check but I feel 50-50
10:08 cait I am really excited :)
10:09 slef 23 from UK
10:09 slef rough estimate
10:09 slef we didn't ask for country
10:13 cait yeah, we forgot
10:15 cait hm
10:15 * slef goes to ask his super helper to design the attendee list
10:15 cait why do you think not more from uk?
10:15 slef tight budgets
10:15 cait but it's so close :(
10:16 slef I should have promoted it to more scottish groups
10:16 slef also it means losing a day of holiday
10:16 slef (Tuesday)
10:17 slef we knew that was a bit of a tough choice, but it made the venue easier to get
10:17 cait hm yes
10:17 slef maybe another time we would not choose a year containing a royal jubilee and an olympics
10:17 slef but hey we bid for 2011 too you know ;)
10:17 cait I voted for you in 2011 :)
10:18 slef thank you
10:18 cait now in 5 years...
10:18 slef I think we will bid again in 2022 at soonest
10:18 cait maybe we can have one in germany ;)
10:18 slef why? Is there a football championship there that we can clash with? ;)
10:18 cait don't know
10:18 cait but with the continental rotating
10:19 cait europe again in 5 ? or did i get it wrong?
10:19 slef no idea... I've been ignoring the voting mostly
10:19 slef 2013 and 2014 I think will be one in Africa and one in USA
10:19 slef I guess USA was last in 2009, so maybe...
10:19 slef 5 years
10:20 slef maybe
10:20 slef biab
10:20 cait time for me to head to the city for some last minute shopping
10:21 slef any ideas for what we should buy you? ;)
10:21 * slef afk
10:22 cait hm?
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11:00 bencahill Okay, so my search isn't working, and I get this in logs: search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $key in hash element at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 227.
11:00 bencahill Any ideas?
11:00 wahanui Any ideas are welcome :)
11:01 bencahill I've got rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z in cron, and ran -b -r -v manually, but it still doesn't work...
11:02 cait not sure the log error is really related to your problem
11:02 bencahill cait: Okay...
11:02 cait does the zebrasrv run?
11:02 cait search faq?
11:02 wahanui it has been said that search faq is at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/
11:02 bencahill cait: Yes, it's running now.
11:03 cait what was the output of -b -v?
11:03 bencahill I think I've looked at that, sec...
11:03 bencahill cait: -b -r -v? It looked good...
11:03 cait there was an i/u/d line?
11:03 cait that made sense?
11:04 bencahill This? 21:45:51-01/06 zebraidx(18140) [log] Records: 1933 i/u/d 1933/0/0
11:04 bencahill I suppose that makes sense...
11:05 bencahill wahanui: btw, that's a 404 here :-/
11:05 wahanui bencahill: what?
11:06 bencahill ...but I have read through the 'Searching' faq section.
11:06 bencahill wahanui: Is that not good?
11:08 cait wahanui is a bot :)
11:08 bencahill orly? cool
11:08 cait he can do factoids
11:08 cait like search faq?
11:08 cait search faq?
11:08 wahanui i think search faq is at http://koha-community.org/docu[…]on/faq/searching/
11:09 cait well, you have to use the right keywords
11:09 cait wahanui botsnack cookie
11:09 wahanui thanks cait :)
11:09 bencahill wahanui: Well, you are wrong :P
11:09 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow....
11:09 bencahill wrong?
11:09 cait hm about your problem
11:09 cait it could be related to permissoins
11:09 cait permissions
11:09 cait make sure that the zebra files are owned by the same user as your koha files
11:09 bencahill Yeah, I remember having problems with that in the past, but I don't remember what...
11:10 cait what kind of installation did you do?
11:10 bencahill cait: I used the AUR koha package (on arch linux)
11:10 cait AUR?
11:10 cait do you have a link?
11:10 cait and did you select a standard or a dev install?
11:11 bencahill cait: An unofficial 'repository' for archlinux (it just has buildscripts, not binaries)
11:11 bencahill I'm sure it was standard...
11:12 bencahill Right now everything in /etc/koha/ (including zebradb/) is owned by root:root. Shouldn't zebradb/ be owned by koha:koha, since that's the user I run it as?
11:14 bencahill cait: Oh, link: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=41853
11:14 cait yep
11:14 cait it should
11:14 cait try changing it
11:14 bencahill cait: ...and this is what it uses to make the package: http://aur.archlinux.org/packa[…]/ko/koha/PKGBUILD
11:14 bencahill k, sec
11:14 cait it being root:root is probably your problem :)
11:15 bencahill Ok, it still isn't giving me any results...should I restart zebrasrv?
11:15 cait hm
11:15 cait you changed the whole directory, right?
11:16 bencahill The zebra dir, chown -R koha:koha /etc/koha/zebradb/
11:16 cait hm ok
11:16 cait I am quite sure it's permissions
11:16 cait restarting zebrasrv might be an idea
11:17 bencahill ...restarted, still nothing. :-/
11:17 cait hm
11:18 cait sorry, I  am not sure where to look next
11:18 cait weekends are pretty silent here
11:18 bencahill Ah
11:18 cait but I think in an hour or 2 perhaps some people from US might be around
11:18 bencahill Okay...
11:18 bencahill cait: Is there a way I could turn on more verbose logging from Koha?
11:18 cait there are zebra logs
11:19 cait I don't think your problem is within Koha
11:19 bencahill Okay...
11:19 bencahill The zebra logs don't seem to have anything new for a long time...but I can't understand the datecodes
11:20 bencahill e.g. these, but I think these are from a long time ago: 03:12:27-24/08 zebrasrv(5) [warn] chdir /home/libuser [Permission denied]
11:20 cait you checked everything here, right?
11:20 cait http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
11:20 cait in the search section?
11:20 bencahill I think so...
11:21 bencahill The odd thing is that everything was working before, and I don't think I changed anything :-/
11:21 cait yeah, but the permission denied would be one
11:21 cait you could try to reindex, using the koha user
11:21 cait make sure the zebra files are not owned by root again
11:21 bencahill I did that already...rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v
11:22 bencahill And yes, they're still koha
11:22 cait and not fatals?
11:22 cait ok
11:22 cait you could also start the zebrasrv so it shows you what happns with every search
11:22 cait not in the background I mean
11:22 bencahill Oh right, okay sec
11:22 Oak that's a good idea!
11:23 bencahill oi
11:23 bencahill 06:28:24-02/06 [fatal] Failed to bind to unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/bibliosocket [No such file or directory]
11:23 bencahill 06:28:24-02/06 [fatal] Failed to bind to unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/authoritysocket [No such file or directory]
11:24 cait ah
11:24 cait there you go
11:24 cait missing files
11:24 cait or it can't access them
11:24 bencahill Not sure why those weren't in the zebra log :-/
11:24 bencahill Yes, I remember this from before...
11:25 bencahill Oh yeah, that worked :)
11:25 * bencahill loves errors
11:25 Oak how?
11:25 bencahill Oak: I did mkdir -p /var/run/koha/zebradb/, and chown -R koha:koha /var/run/koha/
11:26 bencahill neither existed previously
11:26 Oak ah
11:27 Oak so the script from yhager guy works... with a little effort
11:27 cait bencahill: you can search now?
11:27 cait because I have to catch a bus :)
11:27 bencahill cait: Yes, I can. :)
11:27 bencahill cait: thx much
11:27 cait yay!
11:27 bencahill :)
11:27 cait glad we were able to figure it out
11:27 cait bbl :)
11:28 bencahill cya :)
11:28 Oak i wish we could ask Arch guys to maintain a koha package with all dependencies in their repository?
11:28 Oak or may be someone from us can take over that script, and fix it, and maintain it?
11:29 jcamins Oak: none of the Arch devs I know are interested in Koha.
11:29 Oak :(
11:29 Oak jcamins, have you used Arch?
11:29 bencahill Yeah, that would be nice.
11:29 Oak i hear it's very nice
11:29 jcamins Oak: I have not, no.
11:30 Oak and light, and rolling release... and their wiki is really the best of Linux wikis.
11:30 bencahill Oak: I like it very much, just for it's straight packages without all the extra distro tools and abstractions.
11:30 Oak hmm.
11:30 bencahill And yeah, the wiki is great.
11:30 Oak wiki is awesome.
11:30 bencahill ;)
11:30 jcamins A lot of my friends do, though.
11:31 Oak :)
11:31 Oak bencahill, you installed 3.8?
11:32 bencahill Oak: No, I'm still on 3.4
11:32 Oak ah
11:36 slef jcamins: one of the co-op suggested doing the presentation itself as recorded video and then using videophone for the Q+A. What do you think?
11:38 jcamins slef: I could try that.
11:38 jcamins I just have to figure out how to record a video.
11:38 jcamins And where to put it.
11:39 slef jcamins: I think the ideal will be if we can run two projectors, one with your fizzog and one with the slides.  Otherwise you may be side-by-side or picture-in-picture with your slides.
11:39 slef jcamins: got cameraphone?
11:41 jcamins Is that a program?
11:41 jcamins I have a phone with a camera, but I expect it would be easier to record myself with a webcam.
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11:44 slef jcamins: oh. No, it's a phone with a video camera. Maybe it can do video calls? Yes, recording with a webcam should be pretty easy.  I think "Cheese" on Gnome
11:45 jcamins I'll try to figure out. I suspect probably Verizon doesn't allow video calling.
11:45 jcamins verizon--
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12:55 drojf hi #koha
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13:41 slef hi drojf
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13:54 jcamins @later tell gmcharlt When you have a chance, I'd be interested in seeing any preliminary work you did on Koha::Indexer::MARC::RecordNormalizer.
13:54 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded.
13:57 Oak jcamins++ for fixing 3.6.5 repo's dependency issue
13:58 jcamins Oak: yeah, I only ever upgraded so didn't realize it was a problem.
13:58 Oak :)
14:01 drojf hi slef. how am i supposed to find the conference location if the google streetview car could not drive up to the building? ;)
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14:17 bencahill Oak: Hehe, predicting on freenode/#archlinux, I see :P
14:17 Oak yup
14:18 Oak hate it when they get defensive when they really should just be looking at what other person is saying.
14:18 Oak that information http://archlinux.mirrors.uk2.n[…]tore-Usbstick.txt should be in there https://wiki.archlinux.org/ind[…]nstallation_Media
14:19 bencahill Oak: I'll bet you could edit it yourself...maybe you need an account.
14:19 Oak *sigh* i'll probably do that.
14:19 Oak will create an account.
14:19 bencahill Oak: Don't worry about others; often they are just in a bad mood. :)
14:20 Oak :) that, is true
14:47 Oak bencahill, https://wiki.archlinux.org/ind[…]ts_original_state
14:47 Oak now hopefully the edit will get accepted? or something like that.
14:48 bencahill Oak: Nice. :)
14:48 Oak :)
14:49 bencahill The prediction has come true!
14:49 Oak lol
14:49 Oak funny
14:50 Oak when i said that i did not mean i'll add the part myself... that thought did not come to my mind actually.
14:50 Oak i just knew that that part belonged there.
14:50 bencahill This was said after you left:
14:50 bencahill 09:17:03       thestinger | I think he just threatened to actually edit the wiki                                                                                  │ \s\
14:50 Oak and someone will add it someday
14:50 bencahill 09:17:06       thestinger | oh no, I'm scared                                                                                                                     │ _AtheoS_
14:50 Oak :) oh well. we'll see if the admins approve the edit.
14:50 bencahill :)
14:51 bencahill So...could koha be somewhat CPU-bound on a slower cpu, like a P4 2.4?
14:52 Oak i think RAM is the bottle neck
14:52 bencahill Hmm...
14:52 Oak always is. but, someone more experienced will answer that i guess
14:54 slef drojf: can't it see it across the square? And at the back?
14:58 bencahill Well, requests aren't blazing fast (3-4 sec), but according to htop, it's 100% CPU during the pageload, and I've got plenty of free RAM (no swap usage)
14:59 bencahill I did an NYTProf on circulation.pl, and I'm spending 327ms on C4/Languages.pm :-/
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15:00 jcamins bencahill: yeah, Languages is awful.
15:01 bencahill jcamins: Do you want to take a look at my NYTProf output to see if you have any recommendations?
15:03 jcamins bencahill: nah, I run NYTProf on every request.
15:04 * jcamins is addicted to performance information.
15:04 jcamins What version of Koha are you using right now?
15:04 bencahill jcamins: 3.4.8
15:04 jcamins (*exact* version, including the last digits)
15:04 bencahill :P
15:04 bencahill Oh, are there more?
15:04 jcamins Oh, 3.4.8 is old enough I can tell you that you're not going to be able to use memcached.
15:05 jcamins If you were on 3.6, later versions have memcached support for C4::Languages.
15:05 bencahill I am using memcached, and I remember it speeding things up quite a bit. :-/
15:05 bencahill Ah, for Languages, I see.
15:06 bencahill So upgrading could speed things up
15:06 bencahill ?
15:06 jcamins Yup.
15:06 jcamins Let me find what version.
15:07 bencahill It's just that I've been using that AUR 'package' for a while, since it knows all the perl deps and such...
15:07 bencahill But that's kind of a pain anyway; it may just be easier to use CPAN...
15:10 jcamins There are not many added Perl dependencies for 3.6.
15:11 jcamins Wait!
15:11 jcamins The 3.4.8 *release* includes the memcached for the languages.
15:11 jcamins It's the very first version.
15:12 bencahill Ysy!
15:12 jcamins Take a look at NYTProf, and see which sub that time is being spent in.
15:12 jcamins It'll probably just be one.
15:12 bencahill Okay, sec, I'm doing something else for a min...
15:12 jcamins Take your time. :)
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15:16 cait hi #koha
15:16 Oak wb cait
15:17 Oak where did you go on a bus?
15:17 bencahill jcamins: Hmm, it looks like a bunch of subs, the most of which by far is getAllLanguages
15:21 * Oak wants to learn about NYTprof
15:21 mtompset joined #koha
15:21 jcamins bencahill: do you have memcached running?
15:21 mtompset Greetings.
15:22 cait @wunder EDI
15:22 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Mid Kinleith, Currie, United Kingdom is 9.7°C (4:21 PM BST on June 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
15:22 jcamins getAllLanguages shouldn't have to do processing more than once.
15:22 cait hm
15:23 bencahill jcamins: Um, no, it wasn't.
15:23 * bencahill is a dummy :P
15:23 mtompset What is @wunder EDI?
15:24 * bencahill profiles again
15:24 jcamins mtompset: gets the weather at EDI (Edinburgh).
15:24 mtompset @wunder MNL
15:24 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 28.0°C (11:00 PM PHT on June 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
15:25 mtompset Neat... I tried registering to make a couple suggestions on the Wiki pages... but I have yet to receive a confirmation email. Does that take a day?
15:26 cait mtompset: sadly it's broken right now due to massive spamming :(
15:26 cait gmcharlt: ping?
15:26 jcamins mtompset: there have been issues with wiki registration.
15:27 mtompset Okay, good. At least it is broken and not some email getting lost in the ether.
15:27 mtompset Why would anyone want to spam koha's wiki?!
15:28 jcamins mtompset: because we might want to buy something silly.
15:28 mtompset good grief! we don't need aids for this or that, rolexs, or whatever.
15:29 mtompset Actually, a lot of boards that require registration have a question: are you human?
15:29 cait it's bots spamming I think... unlike wahanui and huginn they know nothing about koha
15:29 cait I think we could do with are you human, but we didn't want captchas
15:29 bencahill jcamins: With memcached, Langauages drops down to #3 in the exclusive time-sorted file list
15:30 mtompset I hate captchas!
15:30 jcamins bencahill: run it a few more time with various records, and it should drop down a bit further.
15:30 bencahill jcamins: getAllLanguages is still by far the highest in it's subs, but it's excl and inc times are halved.
15:30 bencahill jcamins: Okay.
15:31 jcamins bencahill: I think that's the case, anyway. It may be different with a P4. :P
15:31 bencahill Hehe.
15:31 mtompset I was downloading the five server versions of Ubuntu, so I could install from scratch again.
15:31 bencahill jcamins: It does seem alot faster, now that I've increased the innodb buffer pool size, and re-started memcached.
15:32 jcamins Ohhh, yeah, you'd be CPU bound on that computer with a default buffer pool.
15:32 bencahill It was actually 16MB, but still...
15:32 mtompset I discovered that 8.04.4 doesn't have idzebra-2.0
15:33 bencahill It's now 256MB
15:33 jcamins mtompset: 8.04.4 what?
15:33 mtompset ubuntu.
15:33 bencahill That's over four years old o.0
15:33 mtompset It's still supported until next year. :P
15:33 jcamins Ah.
15:33 jcamins Ouch.
15:33 jcamins @query CHI
15:33 huginn` jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug
15:33 huginn` jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2714 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bib response service should provide URL recipe
15:34 huginn` jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5847 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Manage Staged MARC Records stuck at 0% if isbn matching rule selected.
15:34 huginn` jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7172 major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Data Persistency
15:34 huginn` jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=569 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Searches need 'browse' option
15:34 jcamins Are you kidding me?
15:34 bencahill That's why we're going with 12.04 with our new proxy server rebuilds ;)
15:34 jcamins @query chi
15:34 huginn` jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug
15:34 huginn` jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2714 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bib response service should provide URL recipe
15:34 huginn` jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5847 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Manage Staged MARC Records stuck at 0% if isbn matching rule selected.
15:34 huginn` jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7172 major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Data Persistency
15:34 huginn` jcamins: Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=569 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Searches need 'browse' option
15:34 bencahill lol
15:34 jcamins The subject is something like "Use CHI"!
15:34 jcamins How can it not be finding my bug?
15:34 mtompset There's a conspiracy.
15:34 bencahill A big one.
15:34 mtompset The zebra indexing is busted? ;)
15:35 mtompset Sorry, had to make the joke.
15:35 cait ok, one last errand to run... brb.
15:35 jcamins Bug 8092.
15:35 huginn` Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Koha should use CHI caching framework
15:35 mtompset The Ubuntu instructions have not been expressly tried for 12.04, so I want to do that too.
15:36 jcamins mtompset: I actually stopped using Ubuntu on my servers because I got frustrated with 12.04.
15:36 mtompset I did find a way to get idzebra-2.0 into 8.4.4  :)
15:36 bencahill jcamins: In what way?
15:36 * bencahill is curious because we haven't done anything yet
15:36 jcamins bencahill: the MySQL settings changed.
15:36 bencahill Ah.
15:36 jcamins Like, bigtime.
15:36 jcamins Non-compatible changes.
15:37 mtompset such as?
15:37 jcamins And anonymous logins.
15:37 * jcamins will shut down all his customers' servers before allowing anonymous logins to their MySQL databases.
15:37 mtompset why would you want anonymous logins?!
15:38 jcamins mtompset: I wouldn't!
15:38 jcamins mtompset: however, they're enabled in 12.04 by default, as far as I can tell.
15:38 jcamins Bad choice.
15:38 mtompset You mean there is a way to do anonymous logins under 12.04?
15:38 jcamins And that also breaks logins.
15:38 jcamins To MySQL, yeah.
15:39 mtompset How would you do an anonymous login?
15:39 jcamins mtompset: I'm not entirely sure.
15:39 mtompset I'd like to try to replicate it on my server.
15:39 jcamins mtompset: however, when I found out that's the default in MySQL 5.5, I decided I didn't care, and switched to Debian.
15:39 * jcamins is not a very patient person at all.
15:40 cait that's a lie
15:40 jcamins And the meaning of 'user'@'%' changed.
15:40 jcamins So previously-working installations could no longer log in.
15:41 mtompset Why would you have %'s?
15:41 mtompset Wouldn't you SSH through a fixed host, and then expressly use that address?
15:42 jcamins mtompset: the Koha installation creates a user@%
15:43 mtompset Ah. okay.
15:43 jcamins If your database is on localhost, the Perl code won't be able to log in.
15:44 Oak jcamins++
15:44 Oak don't ask why
15:44 jcamins :)
15:44 Oak :)
15:44 mtompset can I ask why? :P
15:45 mtompset What is <user>++ mean?
15:45 mtompset ^is^does^
15:45 jcamins mtompset: it's karma.
15:45 jcamins @karma jcamins
15:45 huginn` jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 316 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 315.
15:45 jcamins @karma jcamins_away
15:45 huginn` jcamins: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13.
15:45 jcamins Hehe.
15:45 jcamins @karma
15:45 huginn` jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (583), "oleonard" (504), and "wizzyrea" (342).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-83), and "-" (-50).  You (jcamins) are ranked 4 out of 2085.
15:46 jcamins Wow. Wizzyrea had better watch out!
15:46 Oak hehe
15:46 mtompset @karma mtompset
15:46 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
15:46 bencahill @karma jcamins
15:46 huginn` bencahill: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 316 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 315.
15:47 mtompset YAY! I'm non-zero.
15:47 bencahill hehe
15:47 bencahill Is this a bugtracker thing?
15:47 mtompset Though, I suppose...
15:47 jcamins bencahill: nah, it's a way of rewarding (kind of) people who do good things.
15:48 bencahill @karma bencahill
15:48 huginn` bencahill: bencahill has neutral karma.
15:48 bencahill hehe
15:48 bencahill jcamins: Ok, cool.
15:48 mtompset oleonard++
15:48 mtompset He confirmed my bug existed in the master. :)
15:49 bencahill @karma verizon
15:49 huginn` bencahill: Karma for "verizon" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
15:49 bencahill Right, I get it.
15:50 Oak bencahill++
15:50 mtompset @karma apple
15:50 huginn` mtompset: apple has neutral karma.
15:50 bencahill Yay!
15:50 mtompset @karma microsoft
15:50 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "microsoft" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3.
15:50 Oak :)
15:50 mtompset @karma debian
15:50 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "debian" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
15:50 mtompset @karma ubuntu
15:50 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "ubuntu" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
15:51 mtompset @karma windows
15:51 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "windows" has been increased 1 time and decreased 18 times for a total karma of -17.
15:51 bencahill @karma arch
15:51 huginn` bencahill: arch has neutral karma.
15:51 bencahill arch++
15:51 bencahill :P
15:51 mtompset I better stop... this gets addicting. :)
15:52 jcamins @karma C4::Search
15:52 huginn` jcamins: Karma for "C4::Search" has been increased 0 times and decreased 18 times for a total karma of -18.
15:52 bencahill lol
15:52 mtompset @karma zebra
15:52 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "zebra" has been increased 4 times and decreased 9 times for a total karma of -5.
15:52 bencahill @karma C4::Languages
15:52 huginn` bencahill: C4::Languages has neutral karma.
15:52 mtompset @karma koha
15:52 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "koha" has been increased 30 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 27.
15:53 mtompset I think the -3 is because of the liblime vs. non-liblime versions of koha.
15:53 bencahill Ah.
15:53 Oak where can i learn from about NYTProf?
15:53 Oak other than http://search.cpan.org/~timb/D[…]pm#Fast_Profiling
15:53 jcamins Oak: we have it somewhere on the wiki.
15:54 Oak okay me search now
15:54 jcamins I think.
15:54 Oak :) no worries
15:55 mtompset Okay... so everyone suggested... get git, get git.
15:55 mtompset Well, git is got, but I am rather confused. And I don't want to push nothing.
15:55 jcamins mtompset: git is so that you can create a patch.
15:56 jcamins If you patch the bugs you find, and provide the patch in git format, chances are very good the changes will get into the next version (provided your patches work, of course;).
15:56 jcamins Without patches, you're relying on a lot of overworked people to have time for things that -- though useful -- aren't necessarily impacting our day-to-day.
15:57 Oak plus you can sign-off existing patches if you have a git installation
15:57 Oak right jcamins ?
15:57 jcamins Yes, that too.
15:57 jcamins Actually, that's key.
15:58 mtompset git installation?
15:58 jcamins If oleonard patched a bug you reported (or a bug that was bothering you), you'd want to test that the patch worked, and "sign off" to indicate your approval.
15:58 mtompset The git directory looks exactly like the tar xvf of the latest tgz.
15:58 jcamins git?
15:58 wahanui i guess git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git
15:59 jcamins mtompset: yup. If you do a "dev" install from that directory, it will use the code directly out of version control.
15:59 mtompset AH.....
15:59 mtompset that makes it easier to upgrade.
16:00 jcamins Right. For production, I recommend using Debian packages, but if you're going to be hacking on the code, git all the way.
16:00 mtompset I'm using an Ubuntu Server...
16:00 mtompset more people in our organization support Ubuntu.
16:01 jcamins mtompset: you can use the packages with Ubuntu.
16:01 jcamins I did until I got annoyed and switched to Debian.
16:01 jcamins (yesterday)
16:02 jcamins (Thursday, sorry)
16:02 bencahill jcamins missed midnight
16:02 mtompset Seeing as people aren't always in the same timezone, yesterday gets confusing. :)
16:02 jcamins lol
16:02 bencahill heh
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16:03 bencahill How stable is using Plack in the staff portion?
16:04 jcamins bencahill: not.
16:04 jcamins bencahill: well, for Master it isn't too bad.
16:04 jcamins But for 3.4.8?
16:04 jcamins I wouldn't.
16:04 jcamins Seriously.
16:04 jcamins Just don't. :P
16:04 bencahill jcamins: No, for 3.8
16:04 jcamins Oh.
16:04 bencahill I'd upgrade if I wanted to try it.
16:04 jcamins Eh. dpavlin is running the staff client in production.
16:05 jcamins He's caught a number of errors, some major, some minor.
16:05 jcamins You would certainly encounter bugs.
16:06 bencahill Okay. It's just that if we could cut page times by 3, I don't think we'd have to buy a new server, which would be awesome. ;)
16:07 jcamins I'm not sure it would work quite like you hope.
16:07 bencahill Right. ;)
16:07 jcamins Plack's way faster, but it also means having the entire system stored in memory the entire time, as I understand it.
16:07 jcamins For a 2GB system, no problem at all.
16:08 mtompset Oh yuck! I just read the anonymous user mess you were talking about jcamins. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]adding-users.html just below the example of user creation.
16:08 bencahill jcamins: Ah, I see.
16:08 jcamins mtompset: exactly. I discovered that there were anonymous users and said "you know what, security choices like that are unacceptable for me."
16:09 YoungPublicLibrarian Quick question: In the Koha Lost Items report what is the difference between the Lost code and the Long Overdue (Lost) code?
16:10 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: the first is set explicitly, and the second means that the book was so long overdue that the system decided to assume it was lost.
16:11 YoungPublicLibrarian Jcamins: So Lost is set by a librarian and Long Overdue (Lost) is set by the system? Do you know how long the book has to be overdue for that to happen?
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16:12 jcamins Right.
16:12 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: default is 90 days, but it's controlled by a cron job which someone in your library would have given ByWater instructions about.
16:13 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, thanks for the help Jcamins! :D
16:13 mtompset http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]t-privileges.html -- why not just delete the accounts like they suggest?
16:15 jcamins mtompset: I did that, but the entire thing cast doubt on the security decisions.
16:15 mtompset By the way, thank you for pointing out this potential security hole and bug.
16:16 jcamins mtompset: you're welcome. I was horrified.
16:16 jcamins There's a good hour and a half of me flipping out on #koha from Wednesday.
16:16 mtompset And that's not a ubuntu thing... that's a mySQL thing.
16:16 bencahill jcamins: Is this a Ubuntu thing, or a mysql thing?
16:16 bencahill Ah right...
16:17 jcamins mtompset: yeah, but at that point I wasn't inclined to figure out how to install MySQL 5.1 on Ubuntu 12.04.
16:17 jcamins The entire point of Ubuntu, for me, is ease of administration.
16:18 mtompset Are you doing server or desktop installs of it?
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16:19 jcamins Server.
16:19 jcamins I have one desktop with 12.04.
16:20 mtompset There is no ease of administration on a server... if you install a gui, it ain't no server. :P
16:20 bencahill Ease of administration != GUI
16:20 bencahill (at least for me)
16:20 mtompset Yes, but sometimes it does.
16:20 jcamins mtompset: sure there is. apt-get.
16:20 jcamins There's a lot more already packaged for Ubuntu.
16:21 mtompset okay, I see where you are coming from now.
16:21 mtompset I personally found a handy tool was apt-file
16:21 bencahill jcamins: Good point:
16:22 bencahill [bencahill@cahilllapa ~]$ pacman -Qm|wc -l
16:22 bencahill 124
16:22 mtompset when compiles failed, I'd be able to figure out which -dev package to install.
16:22 jcamins I saw a mention of that recently, but I haven't found out what it is yet.
16:22 bencahill (arch linux, -Qm = packages I compiled)
16:22 jcamins Oooh, that looks useful!
16:22 jcamins mtompset++
16:22 mtompset apt-get install apt-file
16:22 mtompset then apt-file update
16:22 bencahill ofc, I didn't do ./configure or make or make install, but I still had to wait to compile
16:22 mtompset probably sudo'd is best.
16:23 mtompset then let's say... for example...
16:23 mtompset you are in CPAN.
16:23 mtompset you want to get a perl module.
16:23 mtompset But it needs to compile with gcc.
16:23 mtompset so it starts on it's merry way...
16:23 mtompset then barfs because you are missing jni.h
16:24 mtompset quit CPAN (or suspend if you want)
16:24 mtompset apt-file search jni.h
16:24 mtompset it lists all the packages with jni.h in them.
16:24 bencahill Hehe, I have that on arch in nosr :P
16:24 mtompset then you have to use some common sense as to why it barfed to figure out which one you want.
16:24 jcamins Wow, that's excellent.
16:25 mtompset handy for when you are trying to install koha and you forget something.
16:25 mtompset so you try to cpan it, but it needs a .h from somewhere.
16:25 jcamins Heh. That could've saved me several hours on Wednesday.
16:25 jcamins Okay, maybe not hours.
16:26 jcamins But a good half hour of frustration.
16:26 mtompset It's a python script... if you are familiar with python.
16:28 Oak python the snake?
16:28 Oak greenish
16:28 Oak has a tongue
16:28 mtompset nah... the language.
16:28 Oak :)
16:28 mtompset Perl isn't the only programming language out there. :P
16:28 Oak :) hmm
16:29 mtompset I think I can go to bed shortly... last ISO is downloaded.
16:29 Oak where are you from mtompset ?
16:30 bencahill Perl is a good name...there's a a video converting software for Win named S.U.P.E.R, and it's frustrating because you can't search for anything.
16:30 mtompset Good question, Oak.
16:30 mtompset Do you mean where am I physically now?
16:30 Oak yup
16:30 mtompset Or do you mean my country of birth?
16:31 Oak where are you now? what time is there? time for bed?
16:31 bencahill hehe
16:31 mtompset As you can guess this Canadian is not home yet... I'm in the Philippines.
16:31 mtompset Yourself, Oak?
16:31 Oak Pakistan
16:31 * bencahill U.S.
16:31 Oak coool
16:32 bencahill Those three are a pretty good distribution...
16:32 Oak home is where the heart is
16:32 bencahill yup
16:32 mtompset I thought it is where your current bed is. ;)
16:32 bencahill Nope. That would be house. ;)
16:32 Oak :)
16:33 bencahill Of course, that depends on your definition for 'heart'. ;)
16:33 mtompset Interesting how koha crosses cultural boundaries. :)
16:36 Oak also, came to mind...
16:36 Oak ‘Home is the place where, when you have to go there, They have to take you in.’  --Robert Frost
16:36 Oak http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/173525
16:45 mtompset Let's go pop culture and say Home is in your Eyes (Greyson Chance)
16:45 Oak :)
16:46 * Oak reading this: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/742932
16:46 * cait puts a little bowl of perfect strawberries in the middle of #koha
16:47 * Oak takes some to make strawberry milkshake for everyone
16:48 mtompset Why are you reading that, Oak? Did your PDF tab just die miserably?
16:48 Oak my cpu usage goes to 99% when using firefox
16:48 Oak and top says plugin container is using it...
16:48 Oak time for dinner... bbiab
16:48 mtompset firefox is bloated.
16:49 Oak *sigh* but i like firefox :(
16:49 mtompset as do I.
16:49 Oak don't feel like *home* in chrome
16:49 Oak :)
16:49 mtompset I agree.
16:49 bencahill Oak: Tried Opera?
16:49 Oak i have, and do use it sometimes
16:49 bencahill Oak: Do you use linux on the desktop (e.g. where you browse)?
16:49 mtompset Been there. Done there. YUCK!
16:49 Oak yup. Debian.
16:50 bencahill Oak: Oh man. You gotta try dwb.
16:50 * Oak googles dwb
16:50 bencahill It's keyboard based, but not hard to use like uzbl
16:50 bencahill ...and tabs builtin, and nice settings/bookmarks pages, and favicons. :)
16:50 Oak oh wait... dinner is getting cold. really should go. be back soon.
16:51 mtompset Bye.
16:51 bencahill 'k, cya
16:51 mtompset I'm leaving shortly too.
16:51 Oak okay later then...
16:51 mtompset Just waiting for apt-get upgrade and a boot to finish.
16:52 mtompset boot done... waiting for apt-get upgrade
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16:53 YoungPublicLibrarian Another question: Is there a place to see the table structure of Koha? Such as an entity relationships diagram?
16:54 cait schema.koha-community.or
16:54 cait g
16:54 cait schema?
16:54 wahanui schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
16:54 jcamins Yikes.
16:54 mtompset Oh, that link rocks!
16:54 * jcamins has run into a slight hangup.
16:55 * jcamins rolls up his sleeves, and moves C4::Heading to Koha.
16:55 mtompset how so? I'm still waiting on my apt-get upgrade
16:55 * cait cheers jcamins on
16:55 jcamins cait: thanks. Goodness knows I need it.
16:56 mtompset Are you part of the C4/Koha split team?
16:56 jcamins I also need to move parts of C4::Items and C4::Biblio, but one thing at a time.
16:56 jcamins mtompset: kind of de facto, yes.
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16:57 mtompset jcamins++
16:57 mtompset Wishing you the best! :)
16:57 jcamins Thanks.
16:59 YoungPublicLibrarian Thanks everyone that answered my question! :D
17:03 mtompset Under promise, over deliver. ;)
17:03 jcamins mtompset: I try.
17:04 mtompset When they ask for a quote *8 + 2.
17:04 mtompset How long will X take? Oh... about a day and a bit.
17:04 jcamins lol
17:05 mtompset Because there's always the "blast it! It should have only been 5 minutes!" that turn out to be hours.
17:12 * jcamins is having one of those right now.
17:12 jcamins The good news is, I believe in *8 + 2 for estimates.
17:12 * mtompset tries to comfort jcamins.
17:13 mtompset sort of like this apt-get upgrade
17:13 mtompset Well, at least the virtual drive is still spinning. :)
17:13 jcamins Oh, I know that apt-get upgrade is going to take a gazillion hours.
17:14 mtompset So I should pause and go to bed?
17:14 mtompset Glad it is a virtual machine. :)
17:15 jcamins Heh.
17:15 jcamins I'd just leave it overnight.
17:16 mtompset I'm headed to bed... not in this weather.
17:16 jcamins Ah.
17:16 mtompset I already have my netbook's screen getting all blinky on me.
17:16 mtompset 63C's on my CPU
17:17 jcamins Ah.
17:17 jcamins Ouch.
17:17 mtompset 67C's temperature internally
17:17 mtompset Thankfully, the harddrive is only 35C
17:18 mtompset And I'm running this in power saver mode.
17:18 mtompset No air conditioning.
17:18 mtompset In the Philippines.
17:18 mtompset I do have a stand fan blowing over my netbook. :)
17:19 mtompset I go into sleep mode and then come out of it to "fix" my screen issues.
17:19 mtompset Anyways... have a good day.
17:19 mtompset (24 hour period)
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17:53 mib_a69oql hello
17:53 cait no place for me
17:53 cait philippines... should scroll down first
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17:54 mib_33ds7k hello koha
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18:38 mbalmer koha greetings
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19:04 bencahill Okay, we just did some tests, and book check-ins take about 8sec, check-outs take about 5sec. That means when checking out 5 books, your waiting almost 30sec just for the computer...
19:04 bencahill ...interestingly enough, memcached and having a large innodb buffer pool size don't seem to affect those times whatsoever ^^
19:04 jcamins I think there's no way around the upgrade.
19:05 bencahill Mmkay.
19:06 bencahill That's why I was asking about CPU though...if I go by cpu benchmarks (at cpubenchmark.net), if a dual core proc is at a score of 1800, and this p4 is ~300, that's only 3 times faster per core. That's why I was wondering if I should get a fast dual-core as opposed to a quad-core.
19:07 bencahill (3 times faster is still over 2sec for checking in books, which I wouldn't want if buying new h/w)
19:09 jcamins I don't think it scores entirely linearly.
19:09 jcamins *scales
19:09 bencahill Okay.
19:09 rangi yeah clock speed is by far not the only measure
19:10 bencahill No, I wasn't going by clock speed... :P
19:10 mbalmer so next. week will be koha week...
19:10 bencahill rangi: ...unless you are saying benchmarks are equal to clock speed?
19:10 rangi well they benchmark a small range of ops, some which you might do
19:11 rangi the only useful test is benchmarking the actual software running on both
19:11 bencahill rangi: Well sure, but that's still vastly better than just clock speed, right?
19:11 rangi marginally, as a really huge ballpark indicator
19:12 bencahill Okay :)
19:12 mbalmer what is the ratio of folks running Koha on Ubuntu vs. folks running Koha on Debian? (approximately)
19:12 rangi things like kernels taking advantage of new features in new chips etc also can have a huge bearing
19:12 rangi so running the same kernel on both ... is kinda a false test
19:13 rangi if you see what I mean
19:13 bencahill I see...
19:13 rangi mbalmer: no idea
19:15 rangi all our koha servers run debian
19:16 bencahill So I guess koha can be CPU-bound at some point then?
19:17 rangi on a P4 utterly no doubt
19:17 bencahill hehe
19:18 bencahill How fast of a CPU would I need to run a 2000-biblio/item install with <1sec pageloads?
19:18 rangi if you are running apache2, mysql, zebra all on on processor
19:18 rangi then they are all gonna be fighting each other for cpu
19:18 bencahill rangi: Ok, yeah.
19:19 rangi and you get into a death spiral :)
19:19 bencahill ...and I don't need more than 2GB RAM, do I?
19:19 rangi not for that size
19:20 rangi but can you even buy 2G now?
19:20 rangi :)
19:20 mbalmer I need to have that DBQ module re-discussed, I think there will be no progress running Koha on PostgreSQL otherwise.
19:21 bencahill rangi: How fast are checkin/checkouts usually on your installs?
19:21 rangi around 1 sec
19:22 rangi counting the beep and slip etc
19:22 bencahill What kinds of CPUs?
19:23 rangi they run on kvm instances for the most part
19:23 bencahill Ah.
19:23 jcamins bencahill: get 4GB.
19:23 slef I curse printers and especially printer adapters that lie to the PC about what protocols they can speak.
19:23 bencahill jcamins: Okay...
19:24 jcamins bencahill: the cost difference is, what, $20?
19:24 jcamins Those $20 are worth it.
19:27 cait slef: big problems?
19:28 mbalmer anyone needs a Sun E250?
19:28 slef cait: I think I have it working now. If not, tomorrow I buy a new printer.
19:29 cait at least you can buy printers on a sunday :)
19:29 cait but I hope the current one will start cooperatiing
19:32 slef cait: options usblp proto_bias=1 # seems to make it work with the driver I wrote, but CUPS still doesn't work. I don't like CUPS much though.
19:32 cait you wrote a driver, for the printer...
19:32 * cait sometimes really wonders how she fits in here :)
19:35 bencahill Where do ya'll recommend buying servers?
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19:36 slef bah printer drivers are easy
19:37 rangi ok maybe bbl before boarding flight, but now time to go set up for the birthday party
19:37 slef bencahill: I think we bought Dell
19:37 slef rangi: have a good one!
19:40 cait safe travels!
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20:02 bencahill I can get one on dell.com that has an i3-2120 with 2GB RAM and 250GB HDD for $350...
20:02 bencahill (4GB ram is +$50)
20:06 jcamins I'd probably spend the extra $50.
20:06 bencahill jcamins: Well, it's not my money... ;)
20:06 jcamins bencahill: are they going to want to use the server to put other things on?
20:06 bencahill I found a refurb'ed one on eBay though...
20:06 jcamins (hint: yes)
20:07 jcamins Since you're buying a shiny new server, they're going to want to put the website on it too.
20:07 bencahill jcamins: I really doubt it...since no one else knows linux ;)
20:07 cait my advice is to listen to jcamins :)
20:07 jcamins And the Moodle installation.
20:07 jcamins And...
20:07 bencahill The website is run on my webserver...but I get your point. ;)
20:07 bencahill I found a refurb'ed one on eBay...
20:07 bencahill i5-2310, 8GB, 1TB, $385 :-P
20:08 jcamins If it comes with a warranty, sounds like a good deal.
20:08 bencahill That CPU looks like a beast, according to bench's
20:08 bencahill jcamins: 90-day.
20:08 jcamins So, no.
20:09 jcamins I think newegg sells refurbished systems with actual warranties.
20:09 * bencahill goes back to newegg...
20:10 jcamins I'm not sure they do it for everything.
20:10 bencahill Nothing with i5's in the $300-$400 range at newegg..
20:12 * jcamins has never actually looked at refurbished computers at Newegg, just knows that they sometimes offer real warranties.
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20:15 richard_france hello
20:16 richard_france I try to install koha on ubuntu 12.04
20:17 richard_france latest koha
20:17 richard_france in install_misc directory
20:18 richard_france they are 2 files special for unbuntu
20:19 richard_france ubuntu. packages and ubuntu_maverick.packages
20:20 richard_france there are some difference in perl section
20:21 richard_france some one know if they are pbroblem to use ubuntu_maverick.packages in 12.04
20:21 richard_france thanks
20:23 jcamins richard_france: I wouldn't think there would be.
20:31 richard_france so i can install koha on an old version of ubuntu
20:31 jcamins You could do that, too.
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20:52 bencahill Wow, HDDs are expensive...
20:54 jcamins bencahill: yeah, flooding in Taiwan.
20:54 bencahill ;-/
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