Time  Nick                 Message
20:54 bencahill            ;-/
20:54 jcamins              bencahill: yeah, flooding in Taiwan.
20:52 bencahill            Wow, HDDs are expensive...
20:31 jcamins              You could do that, too.
20:31 richard_france       so i can install koha on an old version of ubuntu
20:23 jcamins              richard_france: I wouldn't think there would be.
20:21 richard_france       thanks
20:21 richard_france       some one know if they are pbroblem to use ubuntu_maverick.packages in 12.04
20:20 richard_france       there are some difference in perl section
20:19 richard_france       ubuntu. packages and ubuntu_maverick.packages
20:18 richard_france       they are 2 files special for unbuntu
20:17 richard_france       in install_misc directory
20:17 richard_france       latest koha
20:16 richard_france       I try to install koha on ubuntu 12.04
20:15 richard_france       hello
20:12 * jcamins            has never actually looked at refurbished computers at Newegg, just knows that they sometimes offer real warranties.
20:10 bencahill            Nothing with i5's in the $300-$400 range at newegg..
20:10 jcamins              I'm not sure they do it for everything.
20:09 * bencahill          goes back to newegg...
20:09 jcamins              I think newegg sells refurbished systems with actual warranties.
20:08 jcamins              So, no.
20:08 bencahill            jcamins: 90-day.
20:08 bencahill            That CPU looks like a beast, according to bench's
20:08 jcamins              If it comes with a warranty, sounds like a good deal.
20:07 bencahill            i5-2310, 8GB, 1TB, $385 :-P
20:07 bencahill            I found a refurb'ed one on eBay...
20:07 bencahill            The website is run on my webserver...but I get your point. ;)
20:07 jcamins              And...
20:07 jcamins              And the Moodle installation.
20:07 cait                 my advice is to listen to jcamins :)
20:07 bencahill            jcamins: I really doubt it...since no one else knows linux ;)
20:07 jcamins              Since you're buying a shiny new server, they're going to want to put the website on it too.
20:06 jcamins              (hint: yes)
20:06 bencahill            I found a refurb'ed one on eBay though...
20:06 jcamins              bencahill: are they going to want to use the server to put other things on?
20:06 bencahill            jcamins: Well, it's not my money... ;)
20:06 jcamins              I'd probably spend the extra $50.
20:02 bencahill            (4GB ram is +$50)
20:02 bencahill            I can get one on dell.com that has an i3-2120 with 2GB RAM and 250GB HDD for $350...
19:40 cait                 safe travels!
19:37 slef                 rangi: have a good one!
19:37 slef                 bencahill: I think we bought Dell
19:37 rangi                ok maybe bbl before boarding flight, but now time to go set up for the birthday party
19:36 slef                 bah printer drivers are easy
19:35 bencahill            Where do ya'll recommend buying servers?
19:32 * cait               sometimes really wonders how she fits in here :)
19:32 cait                 you wrote a driver, for the printer...
19:32 slef                 cait: options usblp proto_bias=1 # seems to make it work with the driver I wrote, but CUPS still doesn't work. I don't like CUPS much though.
19:29 cait                 but I hope the current one will start cooperatiing
19:29 cait                 at least you can buy printers on a sunday :)
19:28 slef                 cait: I think I have it working now. If not, tomorrow I buy a new printer.
19:28 mbalmer              anyone needs a Sun E250?
19:27 cait                 slef: big problems?
19:24 jcamins              Those $20 are worth it.
19:24 jcamins              bencahill: the cost difference is, what, $20?
19:23 bencahill            jcamins: Okay...
19:23 slef                 I curse printers and especially printer adapters that lie to the PC about what protocols they can speak.
19:23 jcamins              bencahill: get 4GB.
19:23 bencahill            Ah.
19:23 rangi                they run on kvm instances for the most part
19:22 bencahill            What kinds of CPUs?
19:22 rangi                counting the beep and slip etc
19:21 rangi                around 1 sec
19:21 bencahill            rangi: How fast are checkin/checkouts usually on your installs?
19:20 mbalmer              I need to have that DBQ module re-discussed, I think there will be no progress running Koha on PostgreSQL otherwise.
19:20 rangi                :)
19:20 rangi                but can you even buy 2G now?
19:19 rangi                not for that size
19:19 bencahill            ...and I don't need more than 2GB RAM, do I?
19:19 rangi                and you get into a death spiral :)
19:18 bencahill            rangi: Ok, yeah.
19:18 rangi                then they are all gonna be fighting each other for cpu
19:18 rangi                if you are running apache2, mysql, zebra all on on processor
19:18 bencahill            How fast of a CPU would I need to run a 2000-biblio/item install with <1sec pageloads?
19:17 bencahill            hehe
19:17 rangi                on a P4 utterly no doubt
19:16 bencahill            So I guess koha can be CPU-bound at some point then?
19:15 rangi                all our koha servers run debian
19:13 rangi                mbalmer: no idea
19:13 bencahill            I see...
19:13 rangi                if you see what I mean
19:12 rangi                so running the same kernel on both ... is kinda a false test
19:12 rangi                things like kernels taking advantage of new features in new chips etc also can have a huge bearing
19:12 mbalmer              what is the ratio of folks running Koha on Ubuntu vs. folks running Koha on Debian? (approximately)
19:12 bencahill            Okay :)
19:11 rangi                marginally, as a really huge ballpark indicator
19:11 bencahill            rangi: Well sure, but that's still vastly better than just clock speed, right?
19:11 rangi                the only useful test is benchmarking the actual software running on both
19:10 rangi                well they benchmark a small range of ops, some which you might do
19:10 bencahill            rangi: ...unless you are saying benchmarks are equal to clock speed?
19:10 mbalmer              so next. week will be koha week...
19:10 bencahill            No, I wasn't going by clock speed... :P
19:09 rangi                yeah clock speed is by far not the only measure
19:09 bencahill            Okay.
19:09 jcamins              *scales
19:09 jcamins              I don't think it scores entirely linearly.
19:07 bencahill            (3 times faster is still over 2sec for checking in books, which I wouldn't want if buying new h/w)
19:06 bencahill            That's why I was asking about CPU though...if I go by cpu benchmarks (at cpubenchmark.net), if a dual core proc is at a score of 1800, and this p4 is ~300, that's only 3 times faster per core. That's why I was wondering if I should get a fast dual-core as opposed to a quad-core.
19:05 bencahill            Mmkay.
19:04 jcamins              I think there's no way around the upgrade.
19:04 bencahill            ...interestingly enough, memcached and having a large innodb buffer pool size don't seem to affect those times whatsoever ^^
19:04 bencahill            Okay, we just did some tests, and book check-ins take about 8sec, check-outs take about 5sec. That means when checking out 5 books, your waiting almost 30sec just for the computer...
18:38 mbalmer              koha greetings
17:54 mib_33ds7k           hello koha
17:53 cait                 philippines... should scroll down first
17:53 cait                 no place for me
17:53 mib_a69oql           hello
17:19 mtompset             (24 hour period)
17:19 mtompset             Anyways... have a good day.
17:19 mtompset             I go into sleep mode and then come out of it to "fix" my screen issues.
17:18 mtompset             I do have a stand fan blowing over my netbook. :)
17:18 mtompset             In the Philippines.
17:18 mtompset             No air conditioning.
17:18 mtompset             And I'm running this in power saver mode.
17:17 mtompset             Thankfully, the harddrive is only 35C
17:17 mtompset             67C's temperature internally
17:17 jcamins              Ouch.
17:17 jcamins              Ah.
17:16 mtompset             63C's on my CPU
17:16 mtompset             I already have my netbook's screen getting all blinky on me.
17:16 jcamins              Ah.
17:16 mtompset             I'm headed to bed... not in this weather.
17:15 jcamins              I'd just leave it overnight.
17:15 jcamins              Heh.
17:14 mtompset             Glad it is a virtual machine. :)
17:14 mtompset             So I should pause and go to bed?
17:13 jcamins              Oh, I know that apt-get upgrade is going to take a gazillion hours.
17:13 mtompset             Well, at least the virtual drive is still spinning. :)
17:13 mtompset             sort of like this apt-get upgrade
17:12 * mtompset           tries to comfort jcamins.
17:12 jcamins              The good news is, I believe in *8 + 2 for estimates.
17:12 * jcamins            is having one of those right now.
17:05 mtompset             Because there's always the "blast it! It should have only been 5 minutes!" that turn out to be hours.
17:04 jcamins              lol
17:04 mtompset             How long will X take? Oh... about a day and a bit.
17:04 mtompset             When they ask for a quote *8 + 2.
17:03 jcamins              mtompset: I try.
17:03 mtompset             Under promise, over deliver. ;)
16:59 YoungPublicLibrarian Thanks everyone that answered my question! :D
16:57 jcamins              Thanks.
16:57 mtompset             Wishing you the best! :)
16:57 mtompset             jcamins++
16:56 jcamins              mtompset: kind of de facto, yes.
16:56 jcamins              I also need to move parts of C4::Items and C4::Biblio, but one thing at a time.
16:56 mtompset             Are you part of the C4/Koha split team?
16:55 jcamins              cait: thanks. Goodness knows I need it.
16:55 * cait               cheers jcamins on
16:55 mtompset             how so? I'm still waiting on my apt-get upgrade
16:55 * jcamins            rolls up his sleeves, and moves C4::Heading to Koha.
16:54 * jcamins            has run into a slight hangup.
16:54 mtompset             Oh, that link rocks!
16:54 jcamins              Yikes.
16:54 wahanui              schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org
16:54 cait                 schema?
16:54 cait                 g
16:54 cait                 schema.koha-community.or
16:53 YoungPublicLibrarian Another question: Is there a place to see the table structure of Koha? Such as an entity relationships diagram?
16:52 mtompset             boot done... waiting for apt-get upgrade
16:51 mtompset             Just waiting for apt-get upgrade and a boot to finish.
16:51 Oak                  okay later then...
16:51 mtompset             I'm leaving shortly too.
16:51 bencahill            'k, cya
16:51 mtompset             Bye.
16:50 Oak                  oh wait... dinner is getting cold. really should go. be back soon.
16:50 bencahill            ...and tabs builtin, and nice settings/bookmarks pages, and favicons. :)
16:50 bencahill            It's keyboard based, but not hard to use like uzbl
16:50 * Oak                googles dwb
16:50 bencahill            Oak: Oh man. You gotta try dwb.
16:49 Oak                  yup. Debian.
16:49 mtompset             Been there. Done there. YUCK!
16:49 bencahill            Oak: Do you use linux on the desktop (e.g. where you browse)?
16:49 Oak                  i have, and do use it sometimes
16:49 bencahill            Oak: Tried Opera?
16:49 mtompset             I agree.
16:49 Oak                  :)
16:49 Oak                  don't feel like *home* in chrome
16:49 mtompset             as do I.
16:49 Oak                  *sigh* but i like firefox :(
16:48 mtompset             firefox is bloated.
16:48 Oak                  time for dinner... bbiab
16:48 Oak                  and top says plugin container is using it...
16:48 Oak                  my cpu usage goes to 99% when using firefox
16:48 mtompset             Why are you reading that, Oak? Did your PDF tab just die miserably?
16:47 * Oak                takes some to make strawberry milkshake for everyone
16:46 * cait               puts a little bowl of perfect strawberries in the middle of #koha
16:46 * Oak                reading this: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/742932
16:45 Oak                  :)
16:45 mtompset             Let's go pop culture and say Home is in your Eyes (Greyson Chance)
16:36 Oak                  http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/173525
16:36 Oak                  ‘Home is the place where, when you have to go there, They have to take you in.’  --Robert Frost
16:36 Oak                  also, came to mind...
16:33 mtompset             Interesting how koha crosses cultural boundaries. :)
16:33 bencahill            Of course, that depends on your definition for 'heart'. ;)
16:32 Oak                  :)
16:32 bencahill            Nope. That would be house. ;)
16:32 mtompset             I thought it is where your current bed is. ;)
16:32 bencahill            yup
16:32 Oak                  home is where the heart is
16:32 bencahill            Those three are a pretty good distribution...
16:31 Oak                  coool
16:31 * bencahill          U.S.
16:31 Oak                  Pakistan
16:31 mtompset             Yourself, Oak?
16:31 mtompset             As you can guess this Canadian is not home yet... I'm in the Philippines.
16:31 bencahill            hehe
16:31 Oak                  where are you now? what time is there? time for bed?
16:30 mtompset             Or do you mean my country of birth?
16:30 Oak                  yup
16:30 mtompset             Do you mean where am I physically now?
16:30 mtompset             Good question, Oak.
16:30 bencahill            Perl is a good name...there's a a video converting software for Win named S.U.P.E.R, and it's frustrating because you can't search for anything.
16:29 Oak                  where are you from mtompset ?
16:29 mtompset             I think I can go to bed shortly... last ISO is downloaded.
16:28 Oak                  :) hmm
16:28 mtompset             Perl isn't the only programming language out there. :P
16:28 Oak                  :)
16:28 mtompset             nah... the language.
16:28 Oak                  has a tongue
16:28 Oak                  greenish
16:28 Oak                  python the snake?
16:26 mtompset             It's a python script... if you are familiar with python.
16:26 jcamins              But a good half hour of frustration.
16:25 jcamins              Okay, maybe not hours.
16:25 jcamins              Heh. That could've saved me several hours on Wednesday.
16:25 mtompset             so you try to cpan it, but it needs a .h from somewhere.
16:25 mtompset             handy for when you are trying to install koha and you forget something.
16:24 jcamins              Wow, that's excellent.
16:24 mtompset             then you have to use some common sense as to why it barfed to figure out which one you want.
16:24 bencahill            Hehe, I have that on arch in nosr :P
16:24 mtompset             it lists all the packages with jni.h in them.
16:24 mtompset             apt-file search jni.h
16:24 mtompset             quit CPAN (or suspend if you want)
16:23 mtompset             then barfs because you are missing jni.h
16:23 mtompset             so it starts on it's merry way...
16:23 mtompset             But it needs to compile with gcc.
16:23 mtompset             you want to get a perl module.
16:23 mtompset             you are in CPAN.
16:23 mtompset             then let's say... for example...
16:22 mtompset             probably sudo'd is best.
16:22 bencahill            ofc, I didn't do ./configure or make or make install, but I still had to wait to compile
16:22 mtompset             then apt-file update
16:22 mtompset             apt-get install apt-file
16:22 jcamins              mtompset++
16:22 jcamins              Oooh, that looks useful!
16:22 bencahill            (arch linux, -Qm = packages I compiled)
16:22 jcamins              I saw a mention of that recently, but I haven't found out what it is yet.
16:22 mtompset             when compiles failed, I'd be able to figure out which -dev package to install.
16:22 bencahill            124
16:22 bencahill            [bencahill@cahilllapa ~]$ pacman -Qm|wc -l
16:21 bencahill            jcamins: Good point:
16:21 mtompset             I personally found a handy tool was apt-file
16:21 mtompset             okay, I see where you are coming from now.
16:20 jcamins              There's a lot more already packaged for Ubuntu.
16:20 jcamins              mtompset: sure there is. apt-get.
16:20 mtompset             Yes, but sometimes it does.
16:20 bencahill            (at least for me)
16:20 bencahill            Ease of administration != GUI
16:20 mtompset             There is no ease of administration on a server... if you install a gui, it ain't no server. :P
16:19 jcamins              I have one desktop with 12.04.
16:19 jcamins              Server.
16:18 mtompset             Are you doing server or desktop installs of it?
16:17 jcamins              The entire point of Ubuntu, for me, is ease of administration.
16:17 jcamins              mtompset: yeah, but at that point I wasn't inclined to figure out how to install MySQL 5.1 on Ubuntu 12.04.
16:16 bencahill            Ah right...
16:16 bencahill            jcamins: Is this a Ubuntu thing, or a mysql thing?
16:16 mtompset             And that's not a ubuntu thing... that's a mySQL thing.
16:16 jcamins              There's a good hour and a half of me flipping out on #koha from Wednesday.
16:16 jcamins              mtompset: you're welcome. I was horrified.
16:15 mtompset             By the way, thank you for pointing out this potential security hole and bug.
16:15 jcamins              mtompset: I did that, but the entire thing cast doubt on the security decisions.
16:13 mtompset             http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/default-privileges.html -- why not just delete the accounts like they suggest?
16:13 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, thanks for the help Jcamins! :D
16:12 jcamins              YoungPublicLibrarian: default is 90 days, but it's controlled by a cron job which someone in your library would have given ByWater instructions about.
16:12 jcamins              Right.
16:11 YoungPublicLibrarian Jcamins: So Lost is set by a librarian and Long Overdue (Lost) is set by the system? Do you know how long the book has to be overdue for that to happen?
16:10 jcamins              YoungPublicLibrarian: the first is set explicitly, and the second means that the book was so long overdue that the system decided to assume it was lost.
16:09 YoungPublicLibrarian Quick question: In the Koha Lost Items report what is the difference between the Lost code and the Long Overdue (Lost) code?
16:08 jcamins              mtompset: exactly. I discovered that there were anonymous users and said "you know what, security choices like that are unacceptable for me."
16:08 bencahill            jcamins: Ah, I see.
16:08 mtompset             Oh yuck! I just read the anonymous user mess you were talking about jcamins. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman//5.5/en/adding-users.html just below the example of user creation.
16:07 jcamins              For a 2GB system, no problem at all.
16:07 jcamins              Plack's way faster, but it also means having the entire system stored in memory the entire time, as I understand it.
16:07 bencahill            Right. ;)
16:07 jcamins              I'm not sure it would work quite like you hope.
16:06 bencahill            Okay. It's just that if we could cut page times by 3, I don't think we'd have to buy a new server, which would be awesome. ;)
16:05 jcamins              You would certainly encounter bugs.
16:05 jcamins              He's caught a number of errors, some major, some minor.
16:04 jcamins              Eh. dpavlin is running the staff client in production.
16:04 bencahill            I'd upgrade if I wanted to try it.
16:04 jcamins              Oh.
16:04 bencahill            jcamins: No, for 3.8
16:04 jcamins              Just don't. :P
16:04 jcamins              Seriously.
16:04 jcamins              I wouldn't.
16:04 jcamins              But for 3.4.8?
16:04 jcamins              bencahill: well, for Master it isn't too bad.
16:04 jcamins              bencahill: not.
16:03 bencahill            How stable is using Plack in the staff portion?
16:02 bencahill            heh
16:02 jcamins              lol
16:02 mtompset             Seeing as people aren't always in the same timezone, yesterday gets confusing. :)
16:02 bencahill            jcamins missed midnight
16:02 jcamins              (Thursday, sorry)
16:01 jcamins              (yesterday)
16:01 jcamins              I did until I got annoyed and switched to Debian.
16:01 jcamins              mtompset: you can use the packages with Ubuntu.
16:00 mtompset             more people in our organization support Ubuntu.
16:00 mtompset             I'm using an Ubuntu Server...
16:00 jcamins              Right. For production, I recommend using Debian packages, but if you're going to be hacking on the code, git all the way.
15:59 mtompset             that makes it easier to upgrade.
15:59 mtompset             AH.....
15:59 jcamins              mtompset: yup. If you do a "dev" install from that directory, it will use the code directly out of version control.
15:58 wahanui              i guess git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
15:58 jcamins              git?
15:58 mtompset             The git directory looks exactly like the tar xvf of the latest tgz.
15:58 jcamins              If oleonard patched a bug you reported (or a bug that was bothering you), you'd want to test that the patch worked, and "sign off" to indicate your approval.
15:58 mtompset             git installation?
15:57 jcamins              Actually, that's key.
15:57 jcamins              Yes, that too.
15:57 Oak                  right jcamins ?
15:57 Oak                  plus you can sign-off existing patches if you have a git installation
15:56 jcamins              Without patches, you're relying on a lot of overworked people to have time for things that -- though useful -- aren't necessarily impacting our day-to-day.
15:56 jcamins              If you patch the bugs you find, and provide the patch in git format, chances are very good the changes will get into the next version (provided your patches work, of course;).
15:55 jcamins              mtompset: git is so that you can create a patch.
15:55 mtompset             Well, git is got, but I am rather confused. And I don't want to push nothing.
15:55 mtompset             Okay... so everyone suggested... get git, get git.
15:54 Oak                  :) no worries
15:54 jcamins              I think.
15:54 Oak                  okay me search now
15:53 jcamins              Oak: we have it somewhere on the wiki.
15:53 Oak                  other than http://search.cpan.org/~timb/Devel-NYTProf-4.06/lib/Devel/NYTProf.pm#Fast_Profiling
15:53 Oak                  where can i learn from about NYTProf?
15:53 bencahill            Ah.
15:53 mtompset             I think the -3 is because of the liblime vs. non-liblime versions of koha.
15:52 huginn`              mtompset: Karma for "koha" has been increased 30 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 27.
15:52 mtompset             @karma koha
15:52 huginn`              bencahill: C4::Languages has neutral karma.
15:52 bencahill            @karma C4::Languages
15:52 huginn`              mtompset: Karma for "zebra" has been increased 4 times and decreased 9 times for a total karma of -5.
15:52 mtompset             @karma zebra
15:52 bencahill            lol
15:52 huginn`              jcamins: Karma for "C4::Search" has been increased 0 times and decreased 18 times for a total karma of -18.
15:52 jcamins              @karma C4::Search
15:51 mtompset             I better stop... this gets addicting. :)
15:51 bencahill            :P
15:51 bencahill            arch++
15:51 huginn`              bencahill: arch has neutral karma.
15:51 bencahill            @karma arch
15:51 huginn`              mtompset: Karma for "windows" has been increased 1 time and decreased 18 times for a total karma of -17.
15:51 mtompset             @karma windows
15:50 huginn`              mtompset: Karma for "ubuntu" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
15:50 mtompset             @karma ubuntu
15:50 huginn`              mtompset: Karma for "debian" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2.
15:50 mtompset             @karma debian
15:50 Oak                  :)
15:50 huginn`              mtompset: Karma for "microsoft" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3.
15:50 mtompset             @karma microsoft
15:50 bencahill            Yay!
15:50 huginn`              mtompset: apple has neutral karma.
15:50 mtompset             @karma apple
15:50 Oak                  bencahill++
15:49 bencahill            Right, I get it.
15:49 huginn`              bencahill: Karma for "verizon" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
15:49 bencahill            @karma verizon
15:48 mtompset             He confirmed my bug existed in the master. :)
15:48 mtompset             oleonard++
15:48 bencahill            jcamins: Ok, cool.
15:48 bencahill            hehe
15:48 huginn`              bencahill: bencahill has neutral karma.
15:48 bencahill            @karma bencahill
15:47 jcamins              bencahill: nah, it's a way of rewarding (kind of) people who do good things.
15:47 mtompset             Though, I suppose...
15:47 bencahill            Is this a bugtracker thing?
15:47 bencahill            hehe
15:47 mtompset             YAY! I'm non-zero.
15:46 huginn`              bencahill: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 316 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 315.
15:46 bencahill            @karma jcamins
15:46 huginn`              mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
15:46 mtompset             @karma mtompset
15:46 Oak                  hehe
15:46 jcamins              Wow. Wizzyrea had better watch out!
15:45 huginn`              jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (583), "oleonard" (504), and "wizzyrea" (342).  Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-83), and "-" (-50).  You (jcamins) are ranked 4 out of 2085.
15:45 jcamins              @karma
15:45 jcamins              Hehe.
15:45 huginn`              jcamins: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13.
15:45 jcamins              @karma jcamins_away
15:45 huginn`              jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 316 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 315.
15:45 jcamins              @karma jcamins
15:45 jcamins              mtompset: it's karma.
15:45 mtompset             ^is^does^
15:45 mtompset             What is <user>++ mean?
15:44 mtompset             can I ask why? :P
15:44 Oak                  :)
15:44 jcamins              :)
15:44 Oak                  don't ask why
15:44 Oak                  jcamins++
15:43 jcamins              If your database is on localhost, the Perl code won't be able to log in.
15:43 mtompset             Ah. okay.
15:42 jcamins              mtompset: the Koha installation creates a user@%
15:41 mtompset             Wouldn't you SSH through a fixed host, and then expressly use that address?
15:41 mtompset             Why would you have %'s?
15:40 jcamins              So previously-working installations could no longer log in.
15:40 jcamins              And the meaning of 'user'@'%' changed.
15:40 cait                 that's a lie
15:39 * jcamins            is not a very patient person at all.
15:39 jcamins              mtompset: however, when I found out that's the default in MySQL 5.5, I decided I didn't care, and switched to Debian.
15:39 mtompset             I'd like to try to replicate it on my server.
15:39 jcamins              mtompset: I'm not entirely sure.
15:39 mtompset             How would you do an anonymous login?
15:38 jcamins              To MySQL, yeah.
15:38 jcamins              And that also breaks logins.
15:38 mtompset             You mean there is a way to do anonymous logins under 12.04?
15:38 jcamins              Bad choice.
15:38 jcamins              mtompset: however, they're enabled in 12.04 by default, as far as I can tell.
15:38 jcamins              mtompset: I wouldn't!
15:37 mtompset             why would you want anonymous logins?!
15:37 * jcamins            will shut down all his customers' servers before allowing anonymous logins to their MySQL databases.
15:37 jcamins              And anonymous logins.
15:37 mtompset             such as?
15:36 jcamins              Non-compatible changes.
15:36 jcamins              Like, bigtime.
15:36 bencahill            Ah.
15:36 jcamins              bencahill: the MySQL settings changed.
15:36 * bencahill          is curious because we haven't done anything yet
15:36 bencahill            jcamins: In what way?
15:36 mtompset             I did find a way to get idzebra-2.0 into 8.4.4  :)
15:36 jcamins              mtompset: I actually stopped using Ubuntu on my servers because I got frustrated with 12.04.
15:35 mtompset             The Ubuntu instructions have not been expressly tried for 12.04, so I want to do that too.
15:35 huginn`              04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Koha should use CHI caching framework
15:35 jcamins              Bug 8092.
15:35 cait                 ok, one last errand to run... brb.
15:35 mtompset             Sorry, had to make the joke.
15:34 mtompset             The zebra indexing is busted? ;)
15:34 bencahill            A big one.
15:34 mtompset             There's a conspiracy.
15:34 jcamins              How can it not be finding my bug?
15:34 jcamins              The subject is something like "Use CHI"!
15:34 bencahill            lol
15:34 huginn`              jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=569 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Searches need 'browse' option
15:34 huginn`              jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7172 major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Data Persistency
15:34 huginn`              jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5847 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Manage Staged MARC Records stuck at 0% if isbn matching rule selected.
15:34 huginn`              jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2714 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bib response service should provide URL recipe
15:34 huginn`              jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug
15:34 jcamins              @query chi
15:34 bencahill            That's why we're going with 12.04 with our new proxy server rebuilds ;)
15:34 jcamins              Are you kidding me?
15:34 huginn`              jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=569 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Searches need 'browse' option
15:34 huginn`              jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7172 major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Data Persistency
15:34 huginn`              jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5847 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Manage Staged MARC Records stuck at 0% if isbn matching rule selected.
15:33 huginn`              jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2714 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bib response service should provide URL recipe
15:33 huginn`              jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug
15:33 jcamins              @query CHI
15:33 jcamins              Ouch.
15:33 jcamins              Ah.
15:33 mtompset             It's still supported until next year. :P
15:33 bencahill            That's over four years old o.0
15:33 mtompset             ubuntu.
15:33 jcamins              mtompset: 8.04.4 what?
15:33 bencahill            It's now 256MB
15:32 mtompset             I discovered that 8.04.4 doesn't have idzebra-2.0
15:32 bencahill            It was actually 16MB, but still...
15:32 jcamins              Ohhh, yeah, you'd be CPU bound on that computer with a default buffer pool.
15:31 bencahill            jcamins: It does seem alot faster, now that I've increased the innodb buffer pool size, and re-started memcached.
15:31 mtompset             I was downloading the five server versions of Ubuntu, so I could install from scratch again.
15:31 bencahill            Hehe.
15:31 jcamins              bencahill: I think that's the case, anyway. It may be different with a P4. :P
15:30 bencahill            jcamins: Okay.
15:30 bencahill            jcamins: getAllLanguages is still by far the highest in it's subs, but it's excl and inc times are halved.
15:30 jcamins              bencahill: run it a few more time with various records, and it should drop down a bit further.
15:30 mtompset             I hate captchas!
15:29 bencahill            jcamins: With memcached, Langauages drops down to #3 in the exclusive time-sorted file list
15:29 cait                 I think we could do with are you human, but we didn't want captchas
15:29 cait                 it's bots spamming I think... unlike wahanui and huginn they know nothing about koha
15:29 mtompset             Actually, a lot of boards that require registration have a question: are you human?
15:28 mtompset             good grief! we don't need aids for this or that, rolexs, or whatever.
15:28 jcamins              mtompset: because we might want to buy something silly.
15:27 mtompset             Why would anyone want to spam koha's wiki?!
15:27 mtompset             Okay, good. At least it is broken and not some email getting lost in the ether.
15:26 jcamins              mtompset: there have been issues with wiki registration.
15:26 cait                 gmcharlt: ping?
15:26 cait                 mtompset: sadly it's broken right now due to massive spamming :(
15:25 mtompset             Neat... I tried registering to make a couple suggestions on the Wiki pages... but I have yet to receive a confirmation email. Does that take a day?
15:24 huginn`              mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 28.0°C (11:00 PM PHT on June 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
15:24 mtompset             @wunder MNL
15:24 jcamins              mtompset: gets the weather at EDI (Edinburgh).
15:24 * bencahill          profiles again
15:23 mtompset             What is @wunder EDI?
15:23 * bencahill          is a dummy :P
15:23 bencahill            jcamins: Um, no, it wasn't.
15:22 cait                 hm
15:22 jcamins              getAllLanguages shouldn't have to do processing more than once.
15:22 huginn`              cait: The current temperature in Mid Kinleith, Currie, United Kingdom is 9.7°C (4:21 PM BST on June 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
15:22 cait                 @wunder EDI
15:21 mtompset             Greetings.
15:21 jcamins              bencahill: do you have memcached running?
15:21 * Oak                wants to learn about NYTprof
15:17 bencahill            jcamins: Hmm, it looks like a bunch of subs, the most of which by far is getAllLanguages
15:17 Oak                  where did you go on a bus?
15:16 Oak                  wb cait
15:16 cait                 hi #koha
15:12 jcamins              Take your time. :)
15:12 bencahill            Okay, sec, I'm doing something else for a min...
15:12 jcamins              It'll probably just be one.
15:12 jcamins              Take a look at NYTProf, and see which sub that time is being spent in.
15:12 bencahill            Ysy!
15:11 jcamins              It's the very first version.
15:11 jcamins              The 3.4.8 *release* includes the memcached for the languages.
15:11 jcamins              Wait!
15:10 jcamins              There are not many added Perl dependencies for 3.6.
15:07 bencahill            But that's kind of a pain anyway; it may just be easier to use CPAN...
15:07 bencahill            It's just that I've been using that AUR 'package' for a while, since it knows all the perl deps and such...
15:06 jcamins              Let me find what version.
15:06 jcamins              Yup.
15:06 bencahill            ?
15:06 bencahill            So upgrading could speed things up
15:05 bencahill            Ah, for Languages, I see.
15:05 bencahill            I am using memcached, and I remember it speeding things up quite a bit. :-/
15:05 jcamins              If you were on 3.6, later versions have memcached support for C4::Languages.
15:04 jcamins              Oh, 3.4.8 is old enough I can tell you that you're not going to be able to use memcached.
15:04 bencahill            Oh, are there more?
15:04 bencahill            :P
15:04 jcamins              (*exact* version, including the last digits)
15:04 bencahill            jcamins: 3.4.8
15:04 jcamins              What version of Koha are you using right now?
15:04 * jcamins            is addicted to performance information.
15:03 jcamins              bencahill: nah, I run NYTProf on every request.
15:01 bencahill            jcamins: Do you want to take a look at my NYTProf output to see if you have any recommendations?
15:00 jcamins              bencahill: yeah, Languages is awful.
14:59 bencahill            I did an NYTProf on circulation.pl, and I'm spending 327ms on C4/Languages.pm :-/
14:58 bencahill            Well, requests aren't blazing fast (3-4 sec), but according to htop, it's 100% CPU during the pageload, and I've got plenty of free RAM (no swap usage)
14:54 slef                 drojf: can't it see it across the square? And at the back?
14:52 Oak                  always is. but, someone more experienced will answer that i guess
14:52 bencahill            Hmm...
14:52 Oak                  i think RAM is the bottle neck
14:51 bencahill            So...could koha be somewhat CPU-bound on a slower cpu, like a P4 2.4?
14:50 bencahill            :)
14:50 Oak                  :) oh well. we'll see if the admins approve the edit.
14:50 bencahill            09:17:06       thestinger | oh no, I'm scared                                                                                                                     │ _AtheoS_
14:50 Oak                  and someone will add it someday
14:50 bencahill            09:17:03       thestinger | I think he just threatened to actually edit the wiki                                                                                  │ \s\
14:50 bencahill            This was said after you left:
14:50 Oak                  i just knew that that part belonged there.
14:50 Oak                  when i said that i did not mean i'll add the part myself... that thought did not come to my mind actually.
14:49 Oak                  funny
14:49 Oak                  lol
14:49 bencahill            The prediction has come true!
14:48 Oak                  :)
14:48 bencahill            Oak: Nice. :)
14:47 Oak                  now hopefully the edit will get accepted? or something like that.
14:47 Oak                  bencahill, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_Installation_Media#Restoring_the_USB_stick_to_its_original_state
14:20 Oak                  :) that, is true
14:19 bencahill            Oak: Don't worry about others; often they are just in a bad mood. :)
14:19 Oak                  will create an account.
14:19 Oak                  *sigh* i'll probably do that.
14:19 bencahill            Oak: I'll bet you could edit it yourself...maybe you need an account.
14:18 Oak                  that information http://archlinux.mirrors.uk2.net/iso/archboot/Restore-Usbstick.txt should be in there https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_Installation_Media
14:18 Oak                  hate it when they get defensive when they really should just be looking at what other person is saying.
14:17 Oak                  yup
14:17 bencahill            Oak: Hehe, predicting on freenode/#archlinux, I see :P
14:01 drojf                hi slef. how am i supposed to find the conference location if the google streetview car could not drive up to the building? ;)
13:58 Oak                  :)
13:58 jcamins              Oak: yeah, I only ever upgraded so didn't realize it was a problem.
13:57 Oak                  jcamins++ for fixing 3.6.5 repo's dependency issue
13:54 huginn`              jcamins: The operation succeeded.
13:54 jcamins              @later tell gmcharlt When you have a chance, I'd be interested in seeing any preliminary work you did on Koha::Indexer::MARC::RecordNormalizer.
13:41 slef                 hi drojf
12:55 drojf                hi #koha
11:45 jcamins              verizon--
11:45 jcamins              I'll try to figure out. I suspect probably Verizon doesn't allow video calling.
11:44 slef                 jcamins: oh. No, it's a phone with a video camera. Maybe it can do video calls? Yes, recording with a webcam should be pretty easy.  I think "Cheese" on Gnome
11:41 jcamins              I have a phone with a camera, but I expect it would be easier to record myself with a webcam.
11:41 jcamins              Is that a program?
11:39 slef                 jcamins: got cameraphone?
11:39 slef                 jcamins: I think the ideal will be if we can run two projectors, one with your fizzog and one with the slides.  Otherwise you may be side-by-side or picture-in-picture with your slides.
11:38 jcamins              And where to put it.
11:38 jcamins              I just have to figure out how to record a video.
11:38 jcamins              slef: I could try that.
11:36 slef                 jcamins: one of the co-op suggested doing the presentation itself as recorded video and then using videophone for the Q+A. What do you think?
11:32 Oak                  ah
11:32 bencahill            Oak: No, I'm still on 3.4
11:31 Oak                  bencahill, you installed 3.8?
11:31 Oak                  :)
11:30 jcamins              A lot of my friends do, though.
11:30 bencahill            ;)
11:30 Oak                  wiki is awesome.
11:30 bencahill            And yeah, the wiki is great.
11:30 Oak                  hmm.
11:30 bencahill            Oak: I like it very much, just for it's straight packages without all the extra distro tools and abstractions.
11:30 Oak                  and light, and rolling release... and their wiki is really the best of Linux wikis.
11:29 jcamins              Oak: I have not, no.
11:29 Oak                  i hear it's very nice
11:29 bencahill            Yeah, that would be nice.
11:29 Oak                  jcamins, have you used Arch?
11:29 Oak                  :(
11:29 jcamins              Oak: none of the Arch devs I know are interested in Koha.
11:28 Oak                  or may be someone from us can take over that script, and fix it, and maintain it?
11:28 Oak                  i wish we could ask Arch guys to maintain a koha package with all dependencies in their repository?
11:28 bencahill            cya :)
11:27 cait                 bbl :)
11:27 cait                 glad we were able to figure it out
11:27 bencahill            :)
11:27 cait                 yay!
11:27 bencahill            cait: thx much
11:27 bencahill            cait: Yes, I can. :)
11:27 cait                 because I have to catch a bus :)
11:27 cait                 bencahill: you can search now?
11:27 Oak                  so the script from yhager guy works... with a little effort
11:26 Oak                  ah
11:26 bencahill            neither existed previously
11:25 bencahill            Oak: I did mkdir -p /var/run/koha/zebradb/, and chown -R koha:koha /var/run/koha/
11:25 Oak                  how?
11:25 * bencahill          loves errors
11:25 bencahill            Oh yeah, that worked :)
11:24 bencahill            Yes, I remember this from before...
11:24 bencahill            Not sure why those weren't in the zebra log :-/
11:24 cait                 or it can't access them
11:24 cait                 missing files
11:24 cait                 there you go
11:24 cait                 ah
11:23 bencahill            06:28:24-02/06 [fatal] Failed to bind to unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/authoritysocket [No such file or directory]
11:23 bencahill            06:28:24-02/06 [fatal] Failed to bind to unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/bibliosocket [No such file or directory]
11:23 bencahill            oi
11:22 Oak                  that's a good idea!
11:22 bencahill            Oh right, okay sec
11:22 cait                 not in the background I mean
11:22 cait                 you could also start the zebrasrv so it shows you what happns with every search
11:22 cait                 ok
11:22 cait                 and not fatals?
11:22 bencahill            And yes, they're still koha
11:21 bencahill            I did that already...rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v
11:21 cait                 make sure the zebra files are not owned by root again
11:21 cait                 you could try to reindex, using the koha user
11:21 cait                 yeah, but the permission denied would be one
11:21 bencahill            The odd thing is that everything was working before, and I don't think I changed anything :-/
11:20 bencahill            I think so...
11:20 cait                 in the search section?
11:20 cait                 http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/
11:20 cait                 you checked everything here, right?
11:20 bencahill            e.g. these, but I think these are from a long time ago: 03:12:27-24/08 zebrasrv(5) [warn] chdir /home/libuser [Permission denied]
11:19 bencahill            The zebra logs don't seem to have anything new for a long time...but I can't understand the datecodes
11:19 bencahill            Okay...
11:19 cait                 I don't think your problem is within Koha
11:18 cait                 there are zebra logs
11:18 bencahill            cait: Is there a way I could turn on more verbose logging from Koha?
11:18 bencahill            Okay...
11:18 cait                 but I think in an hour or 2 perhaps some people from US might be around
11:18 bencahill            Ah
11:18 cait                 weekends are pretty silent here
11:18 cait                 sorry, I  am not sure where to look next
11:17 cait                 hm
11:17 bencahill            ...restarted, still nothing. :-/
11:16 cait                 restarting zebrasrv might be an idea
11:16 cait                 I am quite sure it's permissions
11:16 cait                 hm ok
11:16 bencahill            The zebra dir, chown -R koha:koha /etc/koha/zebradb/
11:15 cait                 you changed the whole directory, right?
11:15 cait                 hm
11:15 bencahill            Ok, it still isn't giving me any results...should I restart zebrasrv?
11:14 cait                 it being root:root is probably your problem :)
11:14 bencahill            k, sec
11:14 bencahill            cait: ...and this is what it uses to make the package: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ko/koha/PKGBUILD
11:14 cait                 try changing it
11:14 cait                 it should
11:14 cait                 yep
11:14 bencahill            cait: Oh, link: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=41853
11:12 bencahill            Right now everything in /etc/koha/ (including zebradb/) is owned by root:root. Shouldn't zebradb/ be owned by koha:koha, since that's the user I run it as?
11:11 bencahill            I'm sure it was standard...
11:11 bencahill            cait: An unofficial 'repository' for archlinux (it just has buildscripts, not binaries)
11:10 cait                 and did you select a standard or a dev install?
11:10 cait                 do you have a link?
11:10 cait                 AUR?
11:10 bencahill            cait: I used the AUR koha package (on arch linux)
11:10 cait                 what kind of installation did you do?
11:09 bencahill            Yeah, I remember having problems with that in the past, but I don't remember what...
11:09 cait                 make sure that the zebra files are owned by the same user as your koha files
11:09 cait                 permissions
11:09 cait                 it could be related to permissoins
11:09 cait                 hm about your problem
11:09 bencahill            wrong?
11:09 wahanui              ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow....
11:09 bencahill            wahanui: Well, you are wrong :P
11:09 wahanui              thanks cait :)
11:09 cait                 wahanui botsnack cookie
11:09 cait                 well, you have to use the right keywords
11:08 wahanui              i think search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
11:08 cait                 search faq?
11:08 cait                 like search faq?
11:08 cait                 he can do factoids
11:08 bencahill            orly? cool
11:08 cait                 wahanui is a bot :)
11:06 bencahill            wahanui: Is that not good?
11:06 bencahill            ...but I have read through the 'Searching' faq section.
11:05 wahanui              bencahill: what?
11:05 bencahill            wahanui: btw, that's a 404 here :-/
11:04 bencahill            I suppose that makes sense...
11:04 bencahill            This? 21:45:51-01/06 zebraidx(18140) [log] Records: 1933 i/u/d 1933/0/0
11:03 cait                 that made sense?
11:03 cait                 there was an i/u/d line?
11:03 bencahill            cait: -b -r -v? It looked good...
11:03 bencahill            I think I've looked at that, sec...
11:03 cait                 what was the output of -b -v?
11:02 bencahill            cait: Yes, it's running now.
11:02 wahanui              it has been said that search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/
11:02 cait                 search faq?
11:02 cait                 does the zebrasrv run?
11:02 bencahill            cait: Okay...
11:02 cait                 not sure the log error is really related to your problem
11:01 bencahill            I've got rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z in cron, and ran -b -r -v manually, but it still doesn't work...
11:00 wahanui              Any ideas are welcome :)
11:00 bencahill            Any ideas?
11:00 bencahill            Okay, so my search isn't working, and I get this in logs: search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $key in hash element at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 227.
10:22 cait                 hm?
10:21 * slef               afk
10:21 slef                 any ideas for what we should buy you? ;)
10:20 cait                 time for me to head to the city for some last minute shopping
10:20 slef                 biab
10:20 slef                 maybe
10:19 slef                 5 years
10:19 slef                 I guess USA was last in 2009, so maybe...
10:19 slef                 2013 and 2014 I think will be one in Africa and one in USA
10:19 slef                 no idea... I've been ignoring the voting mostly
10:19 cait                 europe again in 5 ? or did i get it wrong?
10:18 cait                 but with the continental rotating
10:18 cait                 don't know
10:18 slef                 why? Is there a football championship there that we can clash with? ;)
10:18 cait                 maybe we can have one in germany ;)
10:18 slef                 I think we will bid again in 2022 at soonest
10:18 cait                 now in 5 years...
10:18 slef                 thank you
10:17 cait                 I voted for you in 2011 :)
10:17 slef                 but hey we bid for 2011 too you know ;)
10:17 slef                 maybe another time we would not choose a year containing a royal jubilee and an olympics
10:17 cait                 hm yes
10:17 slef                 we knew that was a bit of a tough choice, but it made the venue easier to get
10:16 slef                 (Tuesday)
10:16 slef                 also it means losing a day of holiday
10:16 slef                 I should have promoted it to more scottish groups
10:15 cait                 but it's so close :(
10:15 slef                 tight budgets
10:15 cait                 why do you think not more from uk?
10:15 * slef               goes to ask his super helper to design the attendee list
10:15 cait                 hm
10:13 cait                 yeah, we forgot
10:09 slef                 we didn't ask for country
10:09 slef                 rough estimate
10:09 slef                 23 from UK
10:08 cait                 I am really excited :)
10:07 slef                 it'll take me a minute to check but I feel 50-50
10:06 cait                 I guess many peopl enot from uk?
10:06 cait                 wow
10:06 cait                 ok :)
10:06 slef                 well, 76 people... 75 at conference, 49 at hackfest
10:06 cait                 hm
10:06 slef                 75 people... added some unregistered speakers, deducted some duplicate registrations
10:00 Oak                  \o
09:41 * slef               goes to talk to him over there
09:41 slef                 mle: wrong window
09:41 slef                 mle: in other words, how much to hire teviot for an evening?
09:41 slef                 hi mle... thanks for fixing events... have we spent all the budget now? :)
09:40 cait                 hi mle :)
09:40 mle                  boom
09:40 slef                 I think we have 75 but I will now check that all speakers are registered
09:40 slef                 it was the two people who registered without registering for either conference or hackfest
09:39 slef                 yeah I figured out what had happened
09:29 cait                 hmmm how many names do you have? :)
09:17 slef                 not this morning... although I seem to have two more registrations than names... just investigating that
09:11 cait                 any new registrations?
09:09 cait                 ?
09:09 cait                 '''Scheduled times can be found on the website at http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/program/.'''
09:09 cait                 kit
09:09 cait                 lol
09:09 slef                 first aid kid? I like that typo :)
09:08 cait                 on my internship at the library during study they had to use the first aid kid first time ever
09:08 * cait               can't be trusted with office equipment
09:08 * slef               <-- not to be trusted with furniture
09:07 slef                 I was moving a chair
09:07 slef                 I just damn near knocked the light off the ceiling
09:07 slef                 no worries
09:07 cait                 slef: and sorry for the program.... I made rangi proof read
09:06 slef                 cait++
09:06 slef                 Once And Only Once is http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?OnceAndOnlyOnce
09:06 cait                 on it right now
09:05 slef                 yeah, good move... Once And Only Once
09:05 slef                 cait: only on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/program/
09:05 cait                 can put a link to the website instead
09:05 cait                 perhaps we should kill the tables on the wiki, not sure they are still in sync
09:04 cait                 slef: did you change the schedule? like you said yesterday?
09:03 slef                 sponsors++
09:03 cait                 great thing
09:03 cait                 slef++ even
09:02 cait                 slef+
09:01 rangi                yeah it is a good idea
09:01 slef                 might need further tweaks if it's ever used really big, as it's basically a trace, but seemed like a good idea to get a designer to make it
09:00 rangi                ohh sweet
08:59 slef                 which I can upload once we've paid for it
08:59 slef                 we got an EPS made of the koha logo
08:59 slef                 oh yeah
08:59 cait                 lol
08:59 Oak_                 :)
08:59 rangi                heh
08:59 slef                 sorry I mean the KOHA ALL-STARS
08:58 slef                 the Koha all-stars
08:58 slef                 no, not the heroes
08:58 cait                 not us :)
08:58 slef                 some people probably scurrying off as soon as it ends Thursday
08:58 rangi                10:25 < mle_> sooo who fancies having an awesone gaelic singer session on wednesday night?
08:58 slef                 cool, that was when I'd've picked
08:57 wahanui              wednesday is probably fine for me
08:57 rangi                wednesday
08:57 slef                 any idea which evening? :)
08:57 wahanui              okay, slef.
08:57 slef                 tfln is also https://twitter.com/TFLN
08:56 cait                 have to teach wahanui, because I will forget
08:56 slef                 https://twitter.com/TFLN
08:56 wahanui              tfln is texts from last night
08:56 cait                 tfln?
08:56 cait                 tfln is texts from last night
08:56 rangi                texts from last night
08:56 cait                 tfln?
08:56 slef                 reads like something off tfln
08:56 rangi                asked if people were interested, i said yes :)
08:56 * cait               was here too
08:56 cait                 heh
08:56 cait                 yup
08:56 slef                 cool
08:56 rangi                yup
08:56 slef                 oh cool, was he here? :)
08:55 rangi                he was at the bar :)
08:55 rangi                yep mle was organising some celtic music
08:55 slef                 the message that was sent late Friday (yesterday) night isn't the clearest, but I think that's what it means
08:54 slef                 I think we have an evening event too
08:54 slef                 green/amber/red/pink
08:53 slef                 for session chairs to signal time remaining to the speaker
08:53 slef                 I found my stop/go cards from the last conference :)
08:52 rangi                but either of the other 2 is ok
08:52 wahanui              slef: I forgot they
08:52 slef                 wahanui: forget they
08:52 slef                 rangi: nah I guessed not Tuesday... you're speaking and only just arrived
08:51 rangi                i can do that, not tuesday tho :)
08:51 cait                 i think I wouldn't be much help with the equipment
08:51 slef                 cait: rangi: do you want to chair a half-day out of the 3 days?
08:51 cait                 ah
08:50 slef                 cait: chairs+tables should be set up for us, so it's pack-stuffing, greeting, registering and probably faffing around with sound and vision equipment
08:50 cait                 ok, crazy volunteers who want to do something then ;)
08:49 slef                 cait: volunteers don't have to do anything... but I think 8.30am does that sound right?
08:49 cait                 slef: what time do the volunteers have to show up at the kohacon site? :)
08:48 rangi                bengard :)
08:48 Oak                  ah
08:48 slef                 rangi: which? :)
08:48 rangi                yeah
08:48 slef                 nengard and bengard at a guess
08:48 Oak                  brooke with her?
08:47 wahanui              they are non-xslt, but I will check that.
08:47 Oak                  they?
08:47 rangi                they were going to manchester i know that much
08:47 rangi                could be
08:47 slef                 Lancashire maybe?
08:46 rangi                shes somewhere in the UK already, eating black pudding
08:46 rangi                nengard might make it
08:46 rangi                *nod*
08:45 slef                 rangi: yeah thought you would arrive+crash-out... just 9pm to give me more Slack
08:45 rangi                heh
08:45 cait                 don't forget the hi to cait part :)
08:45 slef                 unless my maths is wrong again
08:45 rangi                i think even 9pm i wouldnt make it, got atarau's birthday party tomorrow then 36 hours of travel .. i think by the time i get there, ill get to the hotel say hi to cait, and go to sleep :)
08:45 slef                 leaving here 8am, should be 6h30 travel time, maybe 2h eating on the way, should be 1h30 to spare
08:44 cait                 I still have to find out where exactly my hotel is :)
08:44 cait                 slef: not entirely sure yet I will be at the bar
08:44 slef                 maybe I should have said 9pm... oh well... joy of hindsight
08:44 rangi                heh
08:43 slef                 cait: OIC. I'll also pop on IRC if I'm not driving.
08:43 slef                 I'm starting 150 miles north of there, will have been travelling hours before you get there, only to get there only 3h before you...
08:42 cait                 I think I will have internet, but not sure about phone
08:42 cait                 slef: it would be great if you could perhaps drop a mail to the volunteer's list
08:41 slef                 now this is one of the strangies
08:41 rangi                actually, ill be at heathrow about to board
08:41 * rangi              will be in the air, dont land until 8.25pm
08:40 slef                 would anyone who will deffo be at the bar Monday 6pm like to give me their mobile number so I can warn if I'm delayed on the journey?
08:39 Oak                  Miles to go before I sleep
08:38 Oak                  :)
08:38 slef                 but I've more printing to do and some work
08:38 slef                 it looks quite nice and sunny out
08:36 cait                 a wonderful morning to you slef ;)
08:33 slef                 blurgh#
07:37 cait                 it is :)
07:30 rangi                its cool that libraries are sponsoring!
07:30 rangi                yep
07:23 Oak                  cooool
07:21 cait                 mississippi? :)
07:21 rangi                check it out
07:21 wahanui              http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ is the website presentation
07:21 rangi                http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/
07:21 cait                 ?
07:21 rangi                wow how cool
07:18 Oak                  :)
07:18 cait                 guten morgen Oak :)
07:17 Oak                  guten morgen cait
06:49 cait                 hi #koha :)
06:49 cait                 hi #oh
05:28 mtompset             Hello. I guess everyone takes the weekend off? ;)
05:03 Oak                  Ahoy me bon voyage hearties
02:48 bencahill            Well, I suppose I'll go to bed, because everyone else has. :P I'll be up in 8 hours or so...cya ;)
02:41 bencahill            ...and still nothing :-/
02:39 bencahill            -b -r -v
02:39 bencahill            I'm now running rebuild_zebra.pl with -b -r -z
02:08 bencahill            Is anyone in here at this time of the day?
02:07 bencahill            I'm on 3.4.2...old, I know.
02:06 bencahill            This: search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $key in hash element at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 227.
02:06 bencahill            Wait, not that :-/
02:06 bencahill            I've searched for a bit, but can't figure out what's wrong...
02:05 bencahill            Searches are empty in OPAC and intranet, and I get this in logs: Memcached.pm: UNIVERSAL->import is deprecated and will be removed in a future perl at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Memoize/Memcached.pm line 6
01:56 bencahill            Aha, I found something in the logs... (d'oh)
01:52 bencahill            hmm, I'm guessing the /etc/koha/zebradb/ and its contents need to be owned by the koha user?
01:47 bencahill            When running it manually as the koha user (without redirecting to /dev/null), this is the only output: UNIVERSAL->import is deprecated and will be removed in a future perl at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Memoize/Memcached.pm line 6
01:46 bencahill            I've got this in koha user's crontab: */10 * * * * KOHACONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z >/dev/null
01:42 bencahill            Hey guys, nothing is coming up for catalog searches, and I'm not really up on what all is involved. I know zebra is running...any ideas?