Time Nick Message 20:54 bencahill ;-/ 20:54 jcamins bencahill: yeah, flooding in Taiwan. 20:52 bencahill Wow, HDDs are expensive... 20:31 jcamins You could do that, too. 20:31 richard_france so i can install koha on an old version of ubuntu 20:23 jcamins richard_france: I wouldn't think there would be. 20:21 richard_france thanks 20:21 richard_france some one know if they are pbroblem to use ubuntu_maverick.packages in 12.04 20:20 richard_france there are some difference in perl section 20:19 richard_france ubuntu. packages and ubuntu_maverick.packages 20:18 richard_france they are 2 files special for unbuntu 20:17 richard_france in install_misc directory 20:17 richard_france latest koha 20:16 richard_france I try to install koha on ubuntu 12.04 20:15 richard_france hello 20:12 * jcamins has never actually looked at refurbished computers at Newegg, just knows that they sometimes offer real warranties. 20:10 bencahill Nothing with i5's in the $300-$400 range at newegg.. 20:10 jcamins I'm not sure they do it for everything. 20:09 * bencahill goes back to newegg... 20:09 jcamins I think newegg sells refurbished systems with actual warranties. 20:08 jcamins So, no. 20:08 bencahill jcamins: 90-day. 20:08 bencahill That CPU looks like a beast, according to bench's 20:08 jcamins If it comes with a warranty, sounds like a good deal. 20:07 bencahill i5-2310, 8GB, 1TB, $385 :-P 20:07 bencahill I found a refurb'ed one on eBay... 20:07 bencahill The website is run on my webserver...but I get your point. ;) 20:07 jcamins And... 20:07 jcamins And the Moodle installation. 20:07 cait my advice is to listen to jcamins :) 20:07 bencahill jcamins: I really doubt it...since no one else knows linux ;) 20:07 jcamins Since you're buying a shiny new server, they're going to want to put the website on it too. 20:06 jcamins (hint: yes) 20:06 bencahill I found a refurb'ed one on eBay though... 20:06 jcamins bencahill: are they going to want to use the server to put other things on? 20:06 bencahill jcamins: Well, it's not my money... ;) 20:06 jcamins I'd probably spend the extra $50. 20:02 bencahill (4GB ram is +$50) 20:02 bencahill I can get one on dell.com that has an i3-2120 with 2GB RAM and 250GB HDD for $350... 19:40 cait safe travels! 19:37 slef rangi: have a good one! 19:37 slef bencahill: I think we bought Dell 19:37 rangi ok maybe bbl before boarding flight, but now time to go set up for the birthday party 19:36 slef bah printer drivers are easy 19:35 bencahill Where do ya'll recommend buying servers? 19:32 * cait sometimes really wonders how she fits in here :) 19:32 cait you wrote a driver, for the printer... 19:32 slef cait: options usblp proto_bias=1 # seems to make it work with the driver I wrote, but CUPS still doesn't work. I don't like CUPS much though. 19:29 cait but I hope the current one will start cooperatiing 19:29 cait at least you can buy printers on a sunday :) 19:28 slef cait: I think I have it working now. If not, tomorrow I buy a new printer. 19:28 mbalmer anyone needs a Sun E250? 19:27 cait slef: big problems? 19:24 jcamins Those $20 are worth it. 19:24 jcamins bencahill: the cost difference is, what, $20? 19:23 bencahill jcamins: Okay... 19:23 slef I curse printers and especially printer adapters that lie to the PC about what protocols they can speak. 19:23 jcamins bencahill: get 4GB. 19:23 bencahill Ah. 19:23 rangi they run on kvm instances for the most part 19:22 bencahill What kinds of CPUs? 19:22 rangi counting the beep and slip etc 19:21 rangi around 1 sec 19:21 bencahill rangi: How fast are checkin/checkouts usually on your installs? 19:20 mbalmer I need to have that DBQ module re-discussed, I think there will be no progress running Koha on PostgreSQL otherwise. 19:20 rangi :) 19:20 rangi but can you even buy 2G now? 19:19 rangi not for that size 19:19 bencahill ...and I don't need more than 2GB RAM, do I? 19:19 rangi and you get into a death spiral :) 19:18 bencahill rangi: Ok, yeah. 19:18 rangi then they are all gonna be fighting each other for cpu 19:18 rangi if you are running apache2, mysql, zebra all on on processor 19:18 bencahill How fast of a CPU would I need to run a 2000-biblio/item install with <1sec pageloads? 19:17 bencahill hehe 19:17 rangi on a P4 utterly no doubt 19:16 bencahill So I guess koha can be CPU-bound at some point then? 19:15 rangi all our koha servers run debian 19:13 rangi mbalmer: no idea 19:13 bencahill I see... 19:13 rangi if you see what I mean 19:12 rangi so running the same kernel on both ... is kinda a false test 19:12 rangi things like kernels taking advantage of new features in new chips etc also can have a huge bearing 19:12 mbalmer what is the ratio of folks running Koha on Ubuntu vs. folks running Koha on Debian? (approximately) 19:12 bencahill Okay :) 19:11 rangi marginally, as a really huge ballpark indicator 19:11 bencahill rangi: Well sure, but that's still vastly better than just clock speed, right? 19:11 rangi the only useful test is benchmarking the actual software running on both 19:10 rangi well they benchmark a small range of ops, some which you might do 19:10 bencahill rangi: ...unless you are saying benchmarks are equal to clock speed? 19:10 mbalmer so next. week will be koha week... 19:10 bencahill No, I wasn't going by clock speed... :P 19:09 rangi yeah clock speed is by far not the only measure 19:09 bencahill Okay. 19:09 jcamins *scales 19:09 jcamins I don't think it scores entirely linearly. 19:07 bencahill (3 times faster is still over 2sec for checking in books, which I wouldn't want if buying new h/w) 19:06 bencahill That's why I was asking about CPU though...if I go by cpu benchmarks (at cpubenchmark.net), if a dual core proc is at a score of 1800, and this p4 is ~300, that's only 3 times faster per core. That's why I was wondering if I should get a fast dual-core as opposed to a quad-core. 19:05 bencahill Mmkay. 19:04 jcamins I think there's no way around the upgrade. 19:04 bencahill ...interestingly enough, memcached and having a large innodb buffer pool size don't seem to affect those times whatsoever ^^ 19:04 bencahill Okay, we just did some tests, and book check-ins take about 8sec, check-outs take about 5sec. That means when checking out 5 books, your waiting almost 30sec just for the computer... 18:38 mbalmer koha greetings 17:54 mib_33ds7k hello koha 17:53 cait philippines... should scroll down first 17:53 cait no place for me 17:53 mib_a69oql hello 17:19 mtompset (24 hour period) 17:19 mtompset Anyways... have a good day. 17:19 mtompset I go into sleep mode and then come out of it to "fix" my screen issues. 17:18 mtompset I do have a stand fan blowing over my netbook. :) 17:18 mtompset In the Philippines. 17:18 mtompset No air conditioning. 17:18 mtompset And I'm running this in power saver mode. 17:17 mtompset Thankfully, the harddrive is only 35C 17:17 mtompset 67C's temperature internally 17:17 jcamins Ouch. 17:17 jcamins Ah. 17:16 mtompset 63C's on my CPU 17:16 mtompset I already have my netbook's screen getting all blinky on me. 17:16 jcamins Ah. 17:16 mtompset I'm headed to bed... not in this weather. 17:15 jcamins I'd just leave it overnight. 17:15 jcamins Heh. 17:14 mtompset Glad it is a virtual machine. :) 17:14 mtompset So I should pause and go to bed? 17:13 jcamins Oh, I know that apt-get upgrade is going to take a gazillion hours. 17:13 mtompset Well, at least the virtual drive is still spinning. :) 17:13 mtompset sort of like this apt-get upgrade 17:12 * mtompset tries to comfort jcamins. 17:12 jcamins The good news is, I believe in *8 + 2 for estimates. 17:12 * jcamins is having one of those right now. 17:05 mtompset Because there's always the "blast it! It should have only been 5 minutes!" that turn out to be hours. 17:04 jcamins lol 17:04 mtompset How long will X take? Oh... about a day and a bit. 17:04 mtompset When they ask for a quote *8 + 2. 17:03 jcamins mtompset: I try. 17:03 mtompset Under promise, over deliver. ;) 16:59 YoungPublicLibrarian Thanks everyone that answered my question! :D 16:57 jcamins Thanks. 16:57 mtompset Wishing you the best! :) 16:57 mtompset jcamins++ 16:56 jcamins mtompset: kind of de facto, yes. 16:56 jcamins I also need to move parts of C4::Items and C4::Biblio, but one thing at a time. 16:56 mtompset Are you part of the C4/Koha split team? 16:55 jcamins cait: thanks. Goodness knows I need it. 16:55 * cait cheers jcamins on 16:55 mtompset how so? I'm still waiting on my apt-get upgrade 16:55 * jcamins rolls up his sleeves, and moves C4::Heading to Koha. 16:54 * jcamins has run into a slight hangup. 16:54 mtompset Oh, that link rocks! 16:54 jcamins Yikes. 16:54 wahanui schema is tracked in git. or found at http://schema.koha-community.org 16:54 cait schema? 16:54 cait g 16:54 cait schema.koha-community.or 16:53 YoungPublicLibrarian Another question: Is there a place to see the table structure of Koha? Such as an entity relationships diagram? 16:52 mtompset boot done... waiting for apt-get upgrade 16:51 mtompset Just waiting for apt-get upgrade and a boot to finish. 16:51 Oak okay later then... 16:51 mtompset I'm leaving shortly too. 16:51 bencahill 'k, cya 16:51 mtompset Bye. 16:50 Oak oh wait... dinner is getting cold. really should go. be back soon. 16:50 bencahill ...and tabs builtin, and nice settings/bookmarks pages, and favicons. :) 16:50 bencahill It's keyboard based, but not hard to use like uzbl 16:50 * Oak googles dwb 16:50 bencahill Oak: Oh man. You gotta try dwb. 16:49 Oak yup. Debian. 16:49 mtompset Been there. Done there. YUCK! 16:49 bencahill Oak: Do you use linux on the desktop (e.g. where you browse)? 16:49 Oak i have, and do use it sometimes 16:49 bencahill Oak: Tried Opera? 16:49 mtompset I agree. 16:49 Oak :) 16:49 Oak don't feel like *home* in chrome 16:49 mtompset as do I. 16:49 Oak *sigh* but i like firefox :( 16:48 mtompset firefox is bloated. 16:48 Oak time for dinner... bbiab 16:48 Oak and top says plugin container is using it... 16:48 Oak my cpu usage goes to 99% when using firefox 16:48 mtompset Why are you reading that, Oak? Did your PDF tab just die miserably? 16:47 * Oak takes some to make strawberry milkshake for everyone 16:46 * cait puts a little bowl of perfect strawberries in the middle of #koha 16:46 * Oak reading this: http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/742932 16:45 Oak :) 16:45 mtompset Let's go pop culture and say Home is in your Eyes (Greyson Chance) 16:36 Oak http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poem/173525 16:36 Oak ‘Home is the place where, when you have to go there, They have to take you in.’ --Robert Frost 16:36 Oak also, came to mind... 16:33 mtompset Interesting how koha crosses cultural boundaries. :) 16:33 bencahill Of course, that depends on your definition for 'heart'. ;) 16:32 Oak :) 16:32 bencahill Nope. That would be house. ;) 16:32 mtompset I thought it is where your current bed is. ;) 16:32 bencahill yup 16:32 Oak home is where the heart is 16:32 bencahill Those three are a pretty good distribution... 16:31 Oak coool 16:31 * bencahill U.S. 16:31 Oak Pakistan 16:31 mtompset Yourself, Oak? 16:31 mtompset As you can guess this Canadian is not home yet... I'm in the Philippines. 16:31 bencahill hehe 16:31 Oak where are you now? what time is there? time for bed? 16:30 mtompset Or do you mean my country of birth? 16:30 Oak yup 16:30 mtompset Do you mean where am I physically now? 16:30 mtompset Good question, Oak. 16:30 bencahill Perl is a good name...there's a a video converting software for Win named S.U.P.E.R, and it's frustrating because you can't search for anything. 16:29 Oak where are you from mtompset ? 16:29 mtompset I think I can go to bed shortly... last ISO is downloaded. 16:28 Oak :) hmm 16:28 mtompset Perl isn't the only programming language out there. :P 16:28 Oak :) 16:28 mtompset nah... the language. 16:28 Oak has a tongue 16:28 Oak greenish 16:28 Oak python the snake? 16:26 mtompset It's a python script... if you are familiar with python. 16:26 jcamins But a good half hour of frustration. 16:25 jcamins Okay, maybe not hours. 16:25 jcamins Heh. That could've saved me several hours on Wednesday. 16:25 mtompset so you try to cpan it, but it needs a .h from somewhere. 16:25 mtompset handy for when you are trying to install koha and you forget something. 16:24 jcamins Wow, that's excellent. 16:24 mtompset then you have to use some common sense as to why it barfed to figure out which one you want. 16:24 bencahill Hehe, I have that on arch in nosr :P 16:24 mtompset it lists all the packages with jni.h in them. 16:24 mtompset apt-file search jni.h 16:24 mtompset quit CPAN (or suspend if you want) 16:23 mtompset then barfs because you are missing jni.h 16:23 mtompset so it starts on it's merry way... 16:23 mtompset But it needs to compile with gcc. 16:23 mtompset you want to get a perl module. 16:23 mtompset you are in CPAN. 16:23 mtompset then let's say... for example... 16:22 mtompset probably sudo'd is best. 16:22 bencahill ofc, I didn't do ./configure or make or make install, but I still had to wait to compile 16:22 mtompset then apt-file update 16:22 mtompset apt-get install apt-file 16:22 jcamins mtompset++ 16:22 jcamins Oooh, that looks useful! 16:22 bencahill (arch linux, -Qm = packages I compiled) 16:22 jcamins I saw a mention of that recently, but I haven't found out what it is yet. 16:22 mtompset when compiles failed, I'd be able to figure out which -dev package to install. 16:22 bencahill 124 16:22 bencahill [bencahill@cahilllapa ~]$ pacman -Qm|wc -l 16:21 bencahill jcamins: Good point: 16:21 mtompset I personally found a handy tool was apt-file 16:21 mtompset okay, I see where you are coming from now. 16:20 jcamins There's a lot more already packaged for Ubuntu. 16:20 jcamins mtompset: sure there is. apt-get. 16:20 mtompset Yes, but sometimes it does. 16:20 bencahill (at least for me) 16:20 bencahill Ease of administration != GUI 16:20 mtompset There is no ease of administration on a server... if you install a gui, it ain't no server. :P 16:19 jcamins I have one desktop with 12.04. 16:19 jcamins Server. 16:18 mtompset Are you doing server or desktop installs of it? 16:17 jcamins The entire point of Ubuntu, for me, is ease of administration. 16:17 jcamins mtompset: yeah, but at that point I wasn't inclined to figure out how to install MySQL 5.1 on Ubuntu 12.04. 16:16 bencahill Ah right... 16:16 bencahill jcamins: Is this a Ubuntu thing, or a mysql thing? 16:16 mtompset And that's not a ubuntu thing... that's a mySQL thing. 16:16 jcamins There's a good hour and a half of me flipping out on #koha from Wednesday. 16:16 jcamins mtompset: you're welcome. I was horrified. 16:15 mtompset By the way, thank you for pointing out this potential security hole and bug. 16:15 jcamins mtompset: I did that, but the entire thing cast doubt on the security decisions. 16:13 mtompset http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/default-privileges.html -- why not just delete the accounts like they suggest? 16:13 YoungPublicLibrarian Okay, thanks for the help Jcamins! :D 16:12 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: default is 90 days, but it's controlled by a cron job which someone in your library would have given ByWater instructions about. 16:12 jcamins Right. 16:11 YoungPublicLibrarian Jcamins: So Lost is set by a librarian and Long Overdue (Lost) is set by the system? Do you know how long the book has to be overdue for that to happen? 16:10 jcamins YoungPublicLibrarian: the first is set explicitly, and the second means that the book was so long overdue that the system decided to assume it was lost. 16:09 YoungPublicLibrarian Quick question: In the Koha Lost Items report what is the difference between the Lost code and the Long Overdue (Lost) code? 16:08 jcamins mtompset: exactly. I discovered that there were anonymous users and said "you know what, security choices like that are unacceptable for me." 16:08 bencahill jcamins: Ah, I see. 16:08 mtompset Oh yuck! I just read the anonymous user mess you were talking about jcamins. http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman//5.5/en/adding-users.html just below the example of user creation. 16:07 jcamins For a 2GB system, no problem at all. 16:07 jcamins Plack's way faster, but it also means having the entire system stored in memory the entire time, as I understand it. 16:07 bencahill Right. ;) 16:07 jcamins I'm not sure it would work quite like you hope. 16:06 bencahill Okay. It's just that if we could cut page times by 3, I don't think we'd have to buy a new server, which would be awesome. ;) 16:05 jcamins You would certainly encounter bugs. 16:05 jcamins He's caught a number of errors, some major, some minor. 16:04 jcamins Eh. dpavlin is running the staff client in production. 16:04 bencahill I'd upgrade if I wanted to try it. 16:04 jcamins Oh. 16:04 bencahill jcamins: No, for 3.8 16:04 jcamins Just don't. :P 16:04 jcamins Seriously. 16:04 jcamins I wouldn't. 16:04 jcamins But for 3.4.8? 16:04 jcamins bencahill: well, for Master it isn't too bad. 16:04 jcamins bencahill: not. 16:03 bencahill How stable is using Plack in the staff portion? 16:02 bencahill heh 16:02 jcamins lol 16:02 mtompset Seeing as people aren't always in the same timezone, yesterday gets confusing. :) 16:02 bencahill jcamins missed midnight 16:02 jcamins (Thursday, sorry) 16:01 jcamins (yesterday) 16:01 jcamins I did until I got annoyed and switched to Debian. 16:01 jcamins mtompset: you can use the packages with Ubuntu. 16:00 mtompset more people in our organization support Ubuntu. 16:00 mtompset I'm using an Ubuntu Server... 16:00 jcamins Right. For production, I recommend using Debian packages, but if you're going to be hacking on the code, git all the way. 15:59 mtompset that makes it easier to upgrade. 15:59 mtompset AH..... 15:59 jcamins mtompset: yup. If you do a "dev" install from that directory, it will use the code directly out of version control. 15:58 wahanui i guess git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 15:58 jcamins git? 15:58 mtompset The git directory looks exactly like the tar xvf of the latest tgz. 15:58 jcamins If oleonard patched a bug you reported (or a bug that was bothering you), you'd want to test that the patch worked, and "sign off" to indicate your approval. 15:58 mtompset git installation? 15:57 jcamins Actually, that's key. 15:57 jcamins Yes, that too. 15:57 Oak right jcamins ? 15:57 Oak plus you can sign-off existing patches if you have a git installation 15:56 jcamins Without patches, you're relying on a lot of overworked people to have time for things that -- though useful -- aren't necessarily impacting our day-to-day. 15:56 jcamins If you patch the bugs you find, and provide the patch in git format, chances are very good the changes will get into the next version (provided your patches work, of course;). 15:55 jcamins mtompset: git is so that you can create a patch. 15:55 mtompset Well, git is got, but I am rather confused. And I don't want to push nothing. 15:55 mtompset Okay... so everyone suggested... get git, get git. 15:54 Oak :) no worries 15:54 jcamins I think. 15:54 Oak okay me search now 15:53 jcamins Oak: we have it somewhere on the wiki. 15:53 Oak other than http://search.cpan.org/~timb/Devel-NYTProf-4.06/lib/Devel/NYTProf.pm#Fast_Profiling 15:53 Oak where can i learn from about NYTProf? 15:53 bencahill Ah. 15:53 mtompset I think the -3 is because of the liblime vs. non-liblime versions of koha. 15:52 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "koha" has been increased 30 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of 27. 15:52 mtompset @karma koha 15:52 huginn` bencahill: C4::Languages has neutral karma. 15:52 bencahill @karma C4::Languages 15:52 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "zebra" has been increased 4 times and decreased 9 times for a total karma of -5. 15:52 mtompset @karma zebra 15:52 bencahill lol 15:52 huginn` jcamins: Karma for "C4::Search" has been increased 0 times and decreased 18 times for a total karma of -18. 15:52 jcamins @karma C4::Search 15:51 mtompset I better stop... this gets addicting. :) 15:51 bencahill :P 15:51 bencahill arch++ 15:51 huginn` bencahill: arch has neutral karma. 15:51 bencahill @karma arch 15:51 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "windows" has been increased 1 time and decreased 18 times for a total karma of -17. 15:51 mtompset @karma windows 15:50 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "ubuntu" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 15:50 mtompset @karma ubuntu 15:50 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "debian" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. 15:50 mtompset @karma debian 15:50 Oak :) 15:50 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "microsoft" has been increased 0 times and decreased 3 times for a total karma of -3. 15:50 mtompset @karma microsoft 15:50 bencahill Yay! 15:50 huginn` mtompset: apple has neutral karma. 15:50 mtompset @karma apple 15:50 Oak bencahill++ 15:49 bencahill Right, I get it. 15:49 huginn` bencahill: Karma for "verizon" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 15:49 bencahill @karma verizon 15:48 mtompset He confirmed my bug existed in the master. :) 15:48 mtompset oleonard++ 15:48 bencahill jcamins: Ok, cool. 15:48 bencahill hehe 15:48 huginn` bencahill: bencahill has neutral karma. 15:48 bencahill @karma bencahill 15:47 jcamins bencahill: nah, it's a way of rewarding (kind of) people who do good things. 15:47 mtompset Though, I suppose... 15:47 bencahill Is this a bugtracker thing? 15:47 bencahill hehe 15:47 mtompset YAY! I'm non-zero. 15:46 huginn` bencahill: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 316 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 315. 15:46 bencahill @karma jcamins 15:46 huginn` mtompset: Karma for "mtompset" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 15:46 mtompset @karma mtompset 15:46 Oak hehe 15:46 jcamins Wow. Wizzyrea had better watch out! 15:45 huginn` jcamins: Highest karma: "rangi" (583), "oleonard" (504), and "wizzyrea" (342). Lowest karma: "<!" (-109), "failed" (-83), and "-" (-50). You (jcamins) are ranked 4 out of 2085. 15:45 jcamins @karma 15:45 jcamins Hehe. 15:45 huginn` jcamins: Karma for "jcamins_away" has been increased 13 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 13. 15:45 jcamins @karma jcamins_away 15:45 huginn` jcamins: Karma for "jcamins" has been increased 316 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 315. 15:45 jcamins @karma jcamins 15:45 jcamins mtompset: it's karma. 15:45 mtompset ^is^does^ 15:45 mtompset What is <user>++ mean? 15:44 mtompset can I ask why? :P 15:44 Oak :) 15:44 jcamins :) 15:44 Oak don't ask why 15:44 Oak jcamins++ 15:43 jcamins If your database is on localhost, the Perl code won't be able to log in. 15:43 mtompset Ah. okay. 15:42 jcamins mtompset: the Koha installation creates a user@% 15:41 mtompset Wouldn't you SSH through a fixed host, and then expressly use that address? 15:41 mtompset Why would you have %'s? 15:40 jcamins So previously-working installations could no longer log in. 15:40 jcamins And the meaning of 'user'@'%' changed. 15:40 cait that's a lie 15:39 * jcamins is not a very patient person at all. 15:39 jcamins mtompset: however, when I found out that's the default in MySQL 5.5, I decided I didn't care, and switched to Debian. 15:39 mtompset I'd like to try to replicate it on my server. 15:39 jcamins mtompset: I'm not entirely sure. 15:39 mtompset How would you do an anonymous login? 15:38 jcamins To MySQL, yeah. 15:38 jcamins And that also breaks logins. 15:38 mtompset You mean there is a way to do anonymous logins under 12.04? 15:38 jcamins Bad choice. 15:38 jcamins mtompset: however, they're enabled in 12.04 by default, as far as I can tell. 15:38 jcamins mtompset: I wouldn't! 15:37 mtompset why would you want anonymous logins?! 15:37 * jcamins will shut down all his customers' servers before allowing anonymous logins to their MySQL databases. 15:37 jcamins And anonymous logins. 15:37 mtompset such as? 15:36 jcamins Non-compatible changes. 15:36 jcamins Like, bigtime. 15:36 bencahill Ah. 15:36 jcamins bencahill: the MySQL settings changed. 15:36 * bencahill is curious because we haven't done anything yet 15:36 bencahill jcamins: In what way? 15:36 mtompset I did find a way to get idzebra-2.0 into 8.4.4 :) 15:36 jcamins mtompset: I actually stopped using Ubuntu on my servers because I got frustrated with 12.04. 15:35 mtompset The Ubuntu instructions have not been expressly tried for 12.04, so I want to do that too. 15:35 huginn` 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8092 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Signed Off , Koha should use CHI caching framework 15:35 jcamins Bug 8092. 15:35 cait ok, one last errand to run... brb. 15:35 mtompset Sorry, had to make the joke. 15:34 mtompset The zebra indexing is busted? ;) 15:34 bencahill A big one. 15:34 mtompset There's a conspiracy. 15:34 jcamins How can it not be finding my bug? 15:34 jcamins The subject is something like "Use CHI"! 15:34 bencahill lol 15:34 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=569 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Searches need 'browse' option 15:34 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7172 major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Data Persistency 15:34 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5847 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Manage Staged MARC Records stuck at 0% if isbn matching rule selected. 15:34 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2714 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bib response service should provide URL recipe 15:34 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug 15:34 jcamins @query chi 15:34 bencahill That's why we're going with 12.04 with our new proxy server rebuilds ;) 15:34 jcamins Are you kidding me? 15:34 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=569 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Searches need 'browse' option 15:34 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7172 major, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Data Persistency 15:34 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5847 critical, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Manage Staged MARC Records stuck at 0% if isbn matching rule selected. 15:33 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2714 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , bib response service should provide URL recipe 15:33 huginn` jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug 15:33 jcamins @query CHI 15:33 jcamins Ouch. 15:33 jcamins Ah. 15:33 mtompset It's still supported until next year. :P 15:33 bencahill That's over four years old o.0 15:33 mtompset ubuntu. 15:33 jcamins mtompset: 8.04.4 what? 15:33 bencahill It's now 256MB 15:32 mtompset I discovered that 8.04.4 doesn't have idzebra-2.0 15:32 bencahill It was actually 16MB, but still... 15:32 jcamins Ohhh, yeah, you'd be CPU bound on that computer with a default buffer pool. 15:31 bencahill jcamins: It does seem alot faster, now that I've increased the innodb buffer pool size, and re-started memcached. 15:31 mtompset I was downloading the five server versions of Ubuntu, so I could install from scratch again. 15:31 bencahill Hehe. 15:31 jcamins bencahill: I think that's the case, anyway. It may be different with a P4. :P 15:30 bencahill jcamins: Okay. 15:30 bencahill jcamins: getAllLanguages is still by far the highest in it's subs, but it's excl and inc times are halved. 15:30 jcamins bencahill: run it a few more time with various records, and it should drop down a bit further. 15:30 mtompset I hate captchas! 15:29 bencahill jcamins: With memcached, Langauages drops down to #3 in the exclusive time-sorted file list 15:29 cait I think we could do with are you human, but we didn't want captchas 15:29 cait it's bots spamming I think... unlike wahanui and huginn they know nothing about koha 15:29 mtompset Actually, a lot of boards that require registration have a question: are you human? 15:28 mtompset good grief! we don't need aids for this or that, rolexs, or whatever. 15:28 jcamins mtompset: because we might want to buy something silly. 15:27 mtompset Why would anyone want to spam koha's wiki?! 15:27 mtompset Okay, good. At least it is broken and not some email getting lost in the ether. 15:26 jcamins mtompset: there have been issues with wiki registration. 15:26 cait gmcharlt: ping? 15:26 cait mtompset: sadly it's broken right now due to massive spamming :( 15:25 mtompset Neat... I tried registering to make a couple suggestions on the Wiki pages... but I have yet to receive a confirmation email. Does that take a day? 15:24 huginn` mtompset: The current temperature in Manila, Philippines is 28.0°C (11:00 PM PHT on June 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). 15:24 mtompset @wunder MNL 15:24 jcamins mtompset: gets the weather at EDI (Edinburgh). 15:24 * bencahill profiles again 15:23 mtompset What is @wunder EDI? 15:23 * bencahill is a dummy :P 15:23 bencahill jcamins: Um, no, it wasn't. 15:22 cait hm 15:22 jcamins getAllLanguages shouldn't have to do processing more than once. 15:22 huginn` cait: The current temperature in Mid Kinleith, Currie, United Kingdom is 9.7°C (4:21 PM BST on June 02, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). 15:22 cait @wunder EDI 15:21 mtompset Greetings. 15:21 jcamins bencahill: do you have memcached running? 15:21 * Oak wants to learn about NYTprof 15:17 bencahill jcamins: Hmm, it looks like a bunch of subs, the most of which by far is getAllLanguages 15:17 Oak where did you go on a bus? 15:16 Oak wb cait 15:16 cait hi #koha 15:12 jcamins Take your time. :) 15:12 bencahill Okay, sec, I'm doing something else for a min... 15:12 jcamins It'll probably just be one. 15:12 jcamins Take a look at NYTProf, and see which sub that time is being spent in. 15:12 bencahill Ysy! 15:11 jcamins It's the very first version. 15:11 jcamins The 3.4.8 *release* includes the memcached for the languages. 15:11 jcamins Wait! 15:10 jcamins There are not many added Perl dependencies for 3.6. 15:07 bencahill But that's kind of a pain anyway; it may just be easier to use CPAN... 15:07 bencahill It's just that I've been using that AUR 'package' for a while, since it knows all the perl deps and such... 15:06 jcamins Let me find what version. 15:06 jcamins Yup. 15:06 bencahill ? 15:06 bencahill So upgrading could speed things up 15:05 bencahill Ah, for Languages, I see. 15:05 bencahill I am using memcached, and I remember it speeding things up quite a bit. :-/ 15:05 jcamins If you were on 3.6, later versions have memcached support for C4::Languages. 15:04 jcamins Oh, 3.4.8 is old enough I can tell you that you're not going to be able to use memcached. 15:04 bencahill Oh, are there more? 15:04 bencahill :P 15:04 jcamins (*exact* version, including the last digits) 15:04 bencahill jcamins: 3.4.8 15:04 jcamins What version of Koha are you using right now? 15:04 * jcamins is addicted to performance information. 15:03 jcamins bencahill: nah, I run NYTProf on every request. 15:01 bencahill jcamins: Do you want to take a look at my NYTProf output to see if you have any recommendations? 15:00 jcamins bencahill: yeah, Languages is awful. 14:59 bencahill I did an NYTProf on circulation.pl, and I'm spending 327ms on C4/Languages.pm :-/ 14:58 bencahill Well, requests aren't blazing fast (3-4 sec), but according to htop, it's 100% CPU during the pageload, and I've got plenty of free RAM (no swap usage) 14:54 slef drojf: can't it see it across the square? And at the back? 14:52 Oak always is. but, someone more experienced will answer that i guess 14:52 bencahill Hmm... 14:52 Oak i think RAM is the bottle neck 14:51 bencahill So...could koha be somewhat CPU-bound on a slower cpu, like a P4 2.4? 14:50 bencahill :) 14:50 Oak :) oh well. we'll see if the admins approve the edit. 14:50 bencahill 09:17:06 thestinger | oh no, I'm scared │ _AtheoS_ 14:50 Oak and someone will add it someday 14:50 bencahill 09:17:03 thestinger | I think he just threatened to actually edit the wiki │ \s\ 14:50 bencahill This was said after you left: 14:50 Oak i just knew that that part belonged there. 14:50 Oak when i said that i did not mean i'll add the part myself... that thought did not come to my mind actually. 14:49 Oak funny 14:49 Oak lol 14:49 bencahill The prediction has come true! 14:48 Oak :) 14:48 bencahill Oak: Nice. :) 14:47 Oak now hopefully the edit will get accepted? or something like that. 14:47 Oak bencahill, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_Installation_Media#Restoring_the_USB_stick_to_its_original_state 14:20 Oak :) that, is true 14:19 bencahill Oak: Don't worry about others; often they are just in a bad mood. :) 14:19 Oak will create an account. 14:19 Oak *sigh* i'll probably do that. 14:19 bencahill Oak: I'll bet you could edit it yourself...maybe you need an account. 14:18 Oak that information http://archlinux.mirrors.uk2.net/iso/archboot/Restore-Usbstick.txt should be in there https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_Installation_Media 14:18 Oak hate it when they get defensive when they really should just be looking at what other person is saying. 14:17 Oak yup 14:17 bencahill Oak: Hehe, predicting on freenode/#archlinux, I see :P 14:01 drojf hi slef. how am i supposed to find the conference location if the google streetview car could not drive up to the building? ;) 13:58 Oak :) 13:58 jcamins Oak: yeah, I only ever upgraded so didn't realize it was a problem. 13:57 Oak jcamins++ for fixing 3.6.5 repo's dependency issue 13:54 huginn` jcamins: The operation succeeded. 13:54 jcamins @later tell gmcharlt When you have a chance, I'd be interested in seeing any preliminary work you did on Koha::Indexer::MARC::RecordNormalizer. 13:41 slef hi drojf 12:55 drojf hi #koha 11:45 jcamins verizon-- 11:45 jcamins I'll try to figure out. I suspect probably Verizon doesn't allow video calling. 11:44 slef jcamins: oh. No, it's a phone with a video camera. Maybe it can do video calls? Yes, recording with a webcam should be pretty easy. I think "Cheese" on Gnome 11:41 jcamins I have a phone with a camera, but I expect it would be easier to record myself with a webcam. 11:41 jcamins Is that a program? 11:39 slef jcamins: got cameraphone? 11:39 slef jcamins: I think the ideal will be if we can run two projectors, one with your fizzog and one with the slides. Otherwise you may be side-by-side or picture-in-picture with your slides. 11:38 jcamins And where to put it. 11:38 jcamins I just have to figure out how to record a video. 11:38 jcamins slef: I could try that. 11:36 slef jcamins: one of the co-op suggested doing the presentation itself as recorded video and then using videophone for the Q+A. What do you think? 11:32 Oak ah 11:32 bencahill Oak: No, I'm still on 3.4 11:31 Oak bencahill, you installed 3.8? 11:31 Oak :) 11:30 jcamins A lot of my friends do, though. 11:30 bencahill ;) 11:30 Oak wiki is awesome. 11:30 bencahill And yeah, the wiki is great. 11:30 Oak hmm. 11:30 bencahill Oak: I like it very much, just for it's straight packages without all the extra distro tools and abstractions. 11:30 Oak and light, and rolling release... and their wiki is really the best of Linux wikis. 11:29 jcamins Oak: I have not, no. 11:29 Oak i hear it's very nice 11:29 bencahill Yeah, that would be nice. 11:29 Oak jcamins, have you used Arch? 11:29 Oak :( 11:29 jcamins Oak: none of the Arch devs I know are interested in Koha. 11:28 Oak or may be someone from us can take over that script, and fix it, and maintain it? 11:28 Oak i wish we could ask Arch guys to maintain a koha package with all dependencies in their repository? 11:28 bencahill cya :) 11:27 cait bbl :) 11:27 cait glad we were able to figure it out 11:27 bencahill :) 11:27 cait yay! 11:27 bencahill cait: thx much 11:27 bencahill cait: Yes, I can. :) 11:27 cait because I have to catch a bus :) 11:27 cait bencahill: you can search now? 11:27 Oak so the script from yhager guy works... with a little effort 11:26 Oak ah 11:26 bencahill neither existed previously 11:25 bencahill Oak: I did mkdir -p /var/run/koha/zebradb/, and chown -R koha:koha /var/run/koha/ 11:25 Oak how? 11:25 * bencahill loves errors 11:25 bencahill Oh yeah, that worked :) 11:24 bencahill Yes, I remember this from before... 11:24 bencahill Not sure why those weren't in the zebra log :-/ 11:24 cait or it can't access them 11:24 cait missing files 11:24 cait there you go 11:24 cait ah 11:23 bencahill 06:28:24-02/06 [fatal] Failed to bind to unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/authoritysocket [No such file or directory] 11:23 bencahill 06:28:24-02/06 [fatal] Failed to bind to unix:/var/run/koha/zebradb/bibliosocket [No such file or directory] 11:23 bencahill oi 11:22 Oak that's a good idea! 11:22 bencahill Oh right, okay sec 11:22 cait not in the background I mean 11:22 cait you could also start the zebrasrv so it shows you what happns with every search 11:22 cait ok 11:22 cait and not fatals? 11:22 bencahill And yes, they're still koha 11:21 bencahill I did that already...rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r -v 11:21 cait make sure the zebra files are not owned by root again 11:21 cait you could try to reindex, using the koha user 11:21 cait yeah, but the permission denied would be one 11:21 bencahill The odd thing is that everything was working before, and I don't think I changed anything :-/ 11:20 bencahill I think so... 11:20 cait in the search section? 11:20 cait http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ 11:20 cait you checked everything here, right? 11:20 bencahill e.g. these, but I think these are from a long time ago: 03:12:27-24/08 zebrasrv(5) [warn] chdir /home/libuser [Permission denied] 11:19 bencahill The zebra logs don't seem to have anything new for a long time...but I can't understand the datecodes 11:19 bencahill Okay... 11:19 cait I don't think your problem is within Koha 11:18 cait there are zebra logs 11:18 bencahill cait: Is there a way I could turn on more verbose logging from Koha? 11:18 bencahill Okay... 11:18 cait but I think in an hour or 2 perhaps some people from US might be around 11:18 bencahill Ah 11:18 cait weekends are pretty silent here 11:18 cait sorry, I am not sure where to look next 11:17 cait hm 11:17 bencahill ...restarted, still nothing. :-/ 11:16 cait restarting zebrasrv might be an idea 11:16 cait I am quite sure it's permissions 11:16 cait hm ok 11:16 bencahill The zebra dir, chown -R koha:koha /etc/koha/zebradb/ 11:15 cait you changed the whole directory, right? 11:15 cait hm 11:15 bencahill Ok, it still isn't giving me any results...should I restart zebrasrv? 11:14 cait it being root:root is probably your problem :) 11:14 bencahill k, sec 11:14 bencahill cait: ...and this is what it uses to make the package: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/ko/koha/PKGBUILD 11:14 cait try changing it 11:14 cait it should 11:14 cait yep 11:14 bencahill cait: Oh, link: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=41853 11:12 bencahill Right now everything in /etc/koha/ (including zebradb/) is owned by root:root. Shouldn't zebradb/ be owned by koha:koha, since that's the user I run it as? 11:11 bencahill I'm sure it was standard... 11:11 bencahill cait: An unofficial 'repository' for archlinux (it just has buildscripts, not binaries) 11:10 cait and did you select a standard or a dev install? 11:10 cait do you have a link? 11:10 cait AUR? 11:10 bencahill cait: I used the AUR koha package (on arch linux) 11:10 cait what kind of installation did you do? 11:09 bencahill Yeah, I remember having problems with that in the past, but I don't remember what... 11:09 cait make sure that the zebra files are owned by the same user as your koha files 11:09 cait permissions 11:09 cait it could be related to permissoins 11:09 cait hm about your problem 11:09 bencahill wrong? 11:09 wahanui ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.... 11:09 bencahill wahanui: Well, you are wrong :P 11:09 wahanui thanks cait :) 11:09 cait wahanui botsnack cookie 11:09 cait well, you have to use the right keywords 11:08 wahanui i think search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 11:08 cait search faq? 11:08 cait like search faq? 11:08 cait he can do factoids 11:08 bencahill orly? cool 11:08 cait wahanui is a bot :) 11:06 bencahill wahanui: Is that not good? 11:06 bencahill ...but I have read through the 'Searching' faq section. 11:05 wahanui bencahill: what? 11:05 bencahill wahanui: btw, that's a 404 here :-/ 11:04 bencahill I suppose that makes sense... 11:04 bencahill This? 21:45:51-01/06 zebraidx(18140) [log] Records: 1933 i/u/d 1933/0/0 11:03 cait that made sense? 11:03 cait there was an i/u/d line? 11:03 bencahill cait: -b -r -v? It looked good... 11:03 bencahill I think I've looked at that, sec... 11:03 cait what was the output of -b -v? 11:02 bencahill cait: Yes, it's running now. 11:02 wahanui it has been said that search faq is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/ 11:02 cait search faq? 11:02 cait does the zebrasrv run? 11:02 bencahill cait: Okay... 11:02 cait not sure the log error is really related to your problem 11:01 bencahill I've got rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z in cron, and ran -b -r -v manually, but it still doesn't work... 11:00 wahanui Any ideas are welcome :) 11:00 bencahill Any ideas? 11:00 bencahill Okay, so my search isn't working, and I get this in logs: search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $key in hash element at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 227. 10:22 cait hm? 10:21 * slef afk 10:21 slef any ideas for what we should buy you? ;) 10:20 cait time for me to head to the city for some last minute shopping 10:20 slef biab 10:20 slef maybe 10:19 slef 5 years 10:19 slef I guess USA was last in 2009, so maybe... 10:19 slef 2013 and 2014 I think will be one in Africa and one in USA 10:19 slef no idea... I've been ignoring the voting mostly 10:19 cait europe again in 5 ? or did i get it wrong? 10:18 cait but with the continental rotating 10:18 cait don't know 10:18 slef why? Is there a football championship there that we can clash with? ;) 10:18 cait maybe we can have one in germany ;) 10:18 slef I think we will bid again in 2022 at soonest 10:18 cait now in 5 years... 10:18 slef thank you 10:17 cait I voted for you in 2011 :) 10:17 slef but hey we bid for 2011 too you know ;) 10:17 slef maybe another time we would not choose a year containing a royal jubilee and an olympics 10:17 cait hm yes 10:17 slef we knew that was a bit of a tough choice, but it made the venue easier to get 10:16 slef (Tuesday) 10:16 slef also it means losing a day of holiday 10:16 slef I should have promoted it to more scottish groups 10:15 cait but it's so close :( 10:15 slef tight budgets 10:15 cait why do you think not more from uk? 10:15 * slef goes to ask his super helper to design the attendee list 10:15 cait hm 10:13 cait yeah, we forgot 10:09 slef we didn't ask for country 10:09 slef rough estimate 10:09 slef 23 from UK 10:08 cait I am really excited :) 10:07 slef it'll take me a minute to check but I feel 50-50 10:06 cait I guess many peopl enot from uk? 10:06 cait wow 10:06 cait ok :) 10:06 slef well, 76 people... 75 at conference, 49 at hackfest 10:06 cait hm 10:06 slef 75 people... added some unregistered speakers, deducted some duplicate registrations 10:00 Oak \o 09:41 * slef goes to talk to him over there 09:41 slef mle: wrong window 09:41 slef mle: in other words, how much to hire teviot for an evening? 09:41 slef hi mle... thanks for fixing events... have we spent all the budget now? :) 09:40 cait hi mle :) 09:40 mle boom 09:40 slef I think we have 75 but I will now check that all speakers are registered 09:40 slef it was the two people who registered without registering for either conference or hackfest 09:39 slef yeah I figured out what had happened 09:29 cait hmmm how many names do you have? :) 09:17 slef not this morning... although I seem to have two more registrations than names... just investigating that 09:11 cait any new registrations? 09:09 cait ? 09:09 cait '''Scheduled times can be found on the website at http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/program/.''' 09:09 cait kit 09:09 cait lol 09:09 slef first aid kid? I like that typo :) 09:08 cait on my internship at the library during study they had to use the first aid kid first time ever 09:08 * cait can't be trusted with office equipment 09:08 * slef <-- not to be trusted with furniture 09:07 slef I was moving a chair 09:07 slef I just damn near knocked the light off the ceiling 09:07 slef no worries 09:07 cait slef: and sorry for the program.... I made rangi proof read 09:06 slef cait++ 09:06 slef Once And Only Once is http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?OnceAndOnlyOnce 09:06 cait on it right now 09:05 slef yeah, good move... Once And Only Once 09:05 slef cait: only on http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/program/ 09:05 cait can put a link to the website instead 09:05 cait perhaps we should kill the tables on the wiki, not sure they are still in sync 09:04 cait slef: did you change the schedule? like you said yesterday? 09:03 slef sponsors++ 09:03 cait great thing 09:03 cait slef++ even 09:02 cait slef+ 09:01 rangi yeah it is a good idea 09:01 slef might need further tweaks if it's ever used really big, as it's basically a trace, but seemed like a good idea to get a designer to make it 09:00 rangi ohh sweet 08:59 slef which I can upload once we've paid for it 08:59 slef we got an EPS made of the koha logo 08:59 slef oh yeah 08:59 cait lol 08:59 Oak_ :) 08:59 rangi heh 08:59 slef sorry I mean the KOHA ALL-STARS 08:58 slef the Koha all-stars 08:58 slef no, not the heroes 08:58 cait not us :) 08:58 slef some people probably scurrying off as soon as it ends Thursday 08:58 rangi 10:25 < mle_> sooo who fancies having an awesone gaelic singer session on wednesday night? 08:58 slef cool, that was when I'd've picked 08:57 wahanui wednesday is probably fine for me 08:57 rangi wednesday 08:57 slef any idea which evening? :) 08:57 wahanui okay, slef. 08:57 slef tfln is also https://twitter.com/TFLN 08:56 cait have to teach wahanui, because I will forget 08:56 slef https://twitter.com/TFLN 08:56 wahanui tfln is texts from last night 08:56 cait tfln? 08:56 cait tfln is texts from last night 08:56 rangi texts from last night 08:56 cait tfln? 08:56 slef reads like something off tfln 08:56 rangi asked if people were interested, i said yes :) 08:56 * cait was here too 08:56 cait heh 08:56 cait yup 08:56 slef cool 08:56 rangi yup 08:56 slef oh cool, was he here? :) 08:55 rangi he was at the bar :) 08:55 rangi yep mle was organising some celtic music 08:55 slef the message that was sent late Friday (yesterday) night isn't the clearest, but I think that's what it means 08:54 slef I think we have an evening event too 08:54 slef green/amber/red/pink 08:53 slef for session chairs to signal time remaining to the speaker 08:53 slef I found my stop/go cards from the last conference :) 08:52 rangi but either of the other 2 is ok 08:52 wahanui slef: I forgot they 08:52 slef wahanui: forget they 08:52 slef rangi: nah I guessed not Tuesday... you're speaking and only just arrived 08:51 rangi i can do that, not tuesday tho :) 08:51 cait i think I wouldn't be much help with the equipment 08:51 slef cait: rangi: do you want to chair a half-day out of the 3 days? 08:51 cait ah 08:50 slef cait: chairs+tables should be set up for us, so it's pack-stuffing, greeting, registering and probably faffing around with sound and vision equipment 08:50 cait ok, crazy volunteers who want to do something then ;) 08:49 slef cait: volunteers don't have to do anything... but I think 8.30am does that sound right? 08:49 cait slef: what time do the volunteers have to show up at the kohacon site? :) 08:48 rangi bengard :) 08:48 Oak ah 08:48 slef rangi: which? :) 08:48 rangi yeah 08:48 slef nengard and bengard at a guess 08:48 Oak brooke with her? 08:47 wahanui they are non-xslt, but I will check that. 08:47 Oak they? 08:47 rangi they were going to manchester i know that much 08:47 rangi could be 08:47 slef Lancashire maybe? 08:46 rangi shes somewhere in the UK already, eating black pudding 08:46 rangi nengard might make it 08:46 rangi *nod* 08:45 slef rangi: yeah thought you would arrive+crash-out... just 9pm to give me more Slack 08:45 rangi heh 08:45 cait don't forget the hi to cait part :) 08:45 slef unless my maths is wrong again 08:45 rangi i think even 9pm i wouldnt make it, got atarau's birthday party tomorrow then 36 hours of travel .. i think by the time i get there, ill get to the hotel say hi to cait, and go to sleep :) 08:45 slef leaving here 8am, should be 6h30 travel time, maybe 2h eating on the way, should be 1h30 to spare 08:44 cait I still have to find out where exactly my hotel is :) 08:44 cait slef: not entirely sure yet I will be at the bar 08:44 slef maybe I should have said 9pm... oh well... joy of hindsight 08:44 rangi heh 08:43 slef cait: OIC. I'll also pop on IRC if I'm not driving. 08:43 slef I'm starting 150 miles north of there, will have been travelling hours before you get there, only to get there only 3h before you... 08:42 cait I think I will have internet, but not sure about phone 08:42 cait slef: it would be great if you could perhaps drop a mail to the volunteer's list 08:41 slef now this is one of the strangies 08:41 rangi actually, ill be at heathrow about to board 08:41 * rangi will be in the air, dont land until 8.25pm 08:40 slef would anyone who will deffo be at the bar Monday 6pm like to give me their mobile number so I can warn if I'm delayed on the journey? 08:39 Oak Miles to go before I sleep 08:38 Oak :) 08:38 slef but I've more printing to do and some work 08:38 slef it looks quite nice and sunny out 08:36 cait a wonderful morning to you slef ;) 08:33 slef blurgh# 07:37 cait it is :) 07:30 rangi its cool that libraries are sponsoring! 07:30 rangi yep 07:23 Oak cooool 07:21 cait mississippi? :) 07:21 rangi check it out 07:21 wahanui http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ is the website presentation 07:21 rangi http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ 07:21 cait ? 07:21 rangi wow how cool 07:18 Oak :) 07:18 cait guten morgen Oak :) 07:17 Oak guten morgen cait 06:49 cait hi #koha :) 06:49 cait hi #oh 05:28 mtompset Hello. I guess everyone takes the weekend off? ;) 05:03 Oak Ahoy me bon voyage hearties 02:48 bencahill Well, I suppose I'll go to bed, because everyone else has. :P I'll be up in 8 hours or so...cya ;) 02:41 bencahill ...and still nothing :-/ 02:39 bencahill -b -r -v 02:39 bencahill I'm now running rebuild_zebra.pl with -b -r -z 02:08 bencahill Is anyone in here at this time of the day? 02:07 bencahill I'm on 3.4.2...old, I know. 02:06 bencahill This: search.pl: Use of uninitialized value $key in hash element at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Templates.pm line 227. 02:06 bencahill Wait, not that :-/ 02:06 bencahill I've searched for a bit, but can't figure out what's wrong... 02:05 bencahill Searches are empty in OPAC and intranet, and I get this in logs: Memcached.pm: UNIVERSAL->import is deprecated and will be removed in a future perl at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Memoize/Memcached.pm line 6 01:56 bencahill Aha, I found something in the logs... (d'oh) 01:52 bencahill hmm, I'm guessing the /etc/koha/zebradb/ and its contents need to be owned by the koha user? 01:47 bencahill When running it manually as the koha user (without redirecting to /dev/null), this is the only output: UNIVERSAL->import is deprecated and will be removed in a future perl at /usr/share/perl5/vendor_perl/Memoize/Memcached.pm line 6 01:46 bencahill I've got this in koha user's crontab: */10 * * * * KOHACONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib/ /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z >/dev/null 01:42 bencahill Hey guys, nothing is coming up for catalog searches, and I'm not really up on what all is involved. I know zebra is running...any ideas?