IRC log for #koha, 2012-05-29

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00:01 rangi @quote get 207
00:01 huginn` rangi: Quote #207: "< eythian> It's OK, we can implement the RDA support in Perl 6." (added by chrisc at 12:00 AM, May 29, 2012)
00:01 rangi RDA?
00:01 wahanui RDA is a room in a twisty maze of standards
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01:59 rangi heya jransom
02:03 jransom heya Chris
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02:34 chris_n hi  paul_p
02:34 paul_p hi chris_n
02:34 rangi go to sleep!
02:34 paul_p (&others)
02:35 rangi :)
02:35 paul_p and it's rangi who says that :D :D
02:35 rangi hehe
02:35 rangi did you see i switched on french and german for bugzilla?
02:35 paul_p nice to have bugzilla in french.
02:35 rangi :)
02:38 * chris_n wonders where sleep is
02:38 * chris_n is busy trying to figure out how to monitor individual client bandwidth usage on a wireless ap
02:40 rangi hmm
02:40 eythian chris_n: one moment
02:40 eythian[…]oring-on-openwrt/ <-- I did this quite a while ago, but it should still mostly be useful
02:40 * chris_n looks
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02:41 chris_n i was looking at wrtbwmon
02:42 chris_n eythian: I'll give that a whirl, thanks
02:42 eythian cool
02:43 chris_n somebody is being a hog; so I'm tasked with finding out who :-)
02:44 rangi its probably eythian
02:44 eythian I had a flatmate who asked me to find that out.
02:44 eythian It turned out to be her
02:44 rangi heh
02:44 chris_n lol
02:44 eythian not capping her uploads on bittorrent
02:44 ibeardslee
02:47 rangi speaking of split enz, i have a nice crowded house pinot noir im bringing over for kohacon
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03:38 paul_p does anyone know how to do git commit --amend -s non interactively -ie: without opening the editor- ?
03:38 paul_p adding -m "message" does the trick, but replace the commit message, and I just want to add the signoff
03:42 rangi you can use -C
03:42 rangi eg
03:42 rangi git commit --amend -s -C 81ff5ed221020315c4852b6c17f7967159a86566
03:42 rangi where the sha is the commit im amending, -C == --reuse-message
03:42 rangi so i could write
03:43 rangi git commit --amend -s --reuse-message=81ff5ed22102​0315c4852b6c17f7967159a86566
03:44 paul_p even better = git commit --amend -s --reuse-message=HEAD
03:44 rangi yep, and way of referencing
03:44 rangi any
03:45 rangi tags would work too, anyway way you can reference a commit
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03:54 rangi wb bshum
03:55 bshum rangi: Thanks :)
04:02 jenkins_koha Starting build #32 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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04:24 Amit_Gupta heya bag
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04:30 rangi hi cait
04:31 cait hi rangi :)
04:32 Amit_Gupta heya cait, rangi
04:32 rangi hi Amit_Gupta
04:33 cait hi Amit_Gupta
04:37 paul_p yeah !!!!! bug 6473 signed off with a script (hacked version of WWW::Bugzilla to handle our specific statuses) !!!!
04:37 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Signed Off , Test bug for Git-bz
04:37 rangi cool
04:37 rangi well done paul
04:37 * paul_p should be able to update sandbox providing signoff feature today !
04:38 cait paul_p: why are you awake? :)
04:38 paul_p for now, it's time for breakfast !
04:38 paul_p cait because i'm no sleeping anymore :D
04:38 cait that sounds like a good idea :)
04:39 paul_p see you later
04:39 cait later :)
04:39 rangi cya
04:40 rangi <-- it seems git log is by far my most used git command
04:56 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #32: SUCCESS in 54 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/32/
04:56 jenkins_koha oleonard: Bug 8122 - Add a link to new library group creation from empty groups message
04:56 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8122 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Add a link to new library group creation from empty groups message
04:56 jenkins_koha Starting build #33 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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05:21 Oak \oia ora
05:21 Oak *sigh*
05:21 Oak \o
05:22 Oak Guten morgen cait
05:22 cait hi Oak :)
05:22 Oak :)
05:27 * eythian goes to the pub for some "I'm going to Europe and it'll be summer there ha ha!" drinks with folks.
05:28 Oak have fun eythian
05:28 Oak sorry, Mr Robin
05:30 cait have fun eythian :)
05:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #33: SUCCESS in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.8.x/33/
05:49 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 8122 - Followup Add a link to new library group creation from empty groups message
05:49 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8150 [SIGNED-OFF] Remove obsoleted navigation bar in circ history
05:49 jenkins_koha * matthias.meusburger: Bug 6858: Bug fixing, fix some errors with the script
05:49 jenkins_koha * mtj: Bug 8145 - [SIGNED-OFF] fails when DEBUG is set
05:49 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: Bug 8144 - 775 tag in the MARC record causes display issue
05:49 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7127 - Templates must be valid XHTML
05:49 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8122 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Add a link to new library group creation from empty groups message
05:49 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8150 minor, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Patron circulation history has a fossil navagation bar
05:49 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Fixing FSF address and copyright headers
05:49 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Fixing FSF address and copyright statements
05:49 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 Fixing FSF statements
05:49 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Adding missing license statement
05:49 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6858 normal, P5 - low, ---, matthias.meusburger, Pushed to Stable , Adds for static fines processing
05:49 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Fixing FSF address and copyright headers for acqui/
05:49 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 4330 : Adding copyright headers and fixing FSF addresses
05:49 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8145 major, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Stable , fails when DEBUG is set
05:49 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8144 critical, P1 - high, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , 775 tag in the MARC record causes display issue
05:49 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7127 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Templates must be valid XHTML
05:49 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4330 normal, P3, ---, chris, ASSIGNED , Copyright statements out of date
05:50 Oak wizzyrea, around?
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05:53 francharb hi
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06:48 julian_m hi
06:48 wahanui salut, julian_m
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06:52 reiveune hello
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07:03 gaetan_B hello :)
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07:37 rangi evening
07:37 Oak evening rangi
07:52 magnuse Oak
07:52 Oak magnuse
07:53 magnuse :-)
07:53 magnuse and kia ora #koha
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08:16 kf hi #koha
08:17 magnuse kia ora kf!
08:17 kf hi magnuse :)
08:18 rangi hi kf
08:19 kf hi rangi
08:21 Oak wb kf
08:25 kf paul_p: still around?
08:26 paul_p kf yep
08:26 kf there was a hint on the wiki on how to use -m to only add the [SIGNED-OFF] part
08:26 kf reading the logs right now :)
08:26 kf want me to find it?
08:26 paul_p kf = busily working on improvement to sandboxes (to add the signoff option direct from URL)
08:26 kf it was a snippet gmcharlt came up with I think
08:26 kf does not open the editor
08:26 paul_p I don't remember what it was
08:27 kf I will look it up if its still interesting
08:27 paul_p (but could be useful for me !
08:27 paul_p yes it is !
08:27 kf ah
08:27 kf it's for git format-patch - but perhaps there is a similar option for commit?
08:27 kf git format-patch -s --subject-prefix='PATCH] [SIGNED-OFF' origin/master
08:28 kf I remembered it wrong
08:29 rangi if you read the rest of the logs, you'll see we figured it out kf
08:30 kf oh, that's what I was asking... if it's still interesting...
08:30 slef blurgh... morning from half way to Edinburgh :)
08:30 kf morning slef
08:31 magnuse kia ora slef
08:31 rangi hi slef
08:32 kf slef: sooooon!
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08:35 slef kf: nyaaaaaaaaawgh :)
08:36 kf stop growling at me and back to work! :P
08:41 magnuse slef: mind if i take a stab at bug 737?
08:41 huginn` Bug[…]ow_bug.cgi?id=737 enhancement, P2, ---, mjr, NEW , Map of library in search system
08:50 rangi @wunder nzwn
08:50 huginn` rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (8:00 PM NZST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising).
08:55 slef magnuse: sure. Not 100% why I have that but I don't have a sponsor for it right now and other bugs to puzzle over.
08:56 magnuse slef: cool, i'll give it a try then
08:56 magnuse @wunder boo
08:56 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
08:57 kf @wunder Konstanz
08:57 magnuse brrr...
08:57 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.2°C (10:55 AM CEST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady).
08:57 kf mmh :)
08:57 magnuse yay!
08:57 magnuse @wunder marseille
08:57 huginn` magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 22.0°C (10:30 AM CEST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
08:57 magnuse nice
08:59 slef magnuse: assign it to you, leave me as cc?
08:59 slef @wunder edi
08:59 huginn` slef: The current temperature in Mid Kinleith, Currie, United Kingdom is 11.0°C (9:58 AM BST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
08:59 slef @wunder edinburgh
08:59 huginn` slef: Error: No such location could be found.
08:59 slef @wunder edinburgh, United Kingdom
08:59 huginn` slef: The current temperature in Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 11.3°C (9:59 AM BST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
09:00 slef @wunder egyh
09:00 magnuse slef: sure thang!
09:00 huginn` slef: Error: No such location could be found.
09:00 slef @wunder dersingham
09:00 huginn` slef: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Dersingham UK, Sculthorpe, United Kingdom is 14.4°C (9:33 AM BST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady).
09:00 kf @wunder EDI
09:00 huginn` kf: The current temperature in Mid Kinleith, Currie, United Kingdom is 11.0°C (10:00 AM BST on May 29, 2012). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady).
09:00 magnuse ooh, EDI has a temperature? ;-)
09:02 kf just like boo has
09:05 slef I think that's airport rather than city
09:06 magnuse probably
09:06 slef "Edinburgh, United Kingdom" is the city one... but not often too different
09:08 magnuse ooh: "Oslo Perl Mongers invites you to the Moving to Moose double-hackathon near Stavanger, Norway!"
09:14 magnuse @later tell eythian seen ?
09:14 huginn` magnuse: The operation succeeded.
09:40 slef rangi: could you ask andrewc for a high-res shot, how long would it take? I think we may have we run out of time :-/
09:41 rangi ahh, im not sure he would even have the original anymore
09:41 rangi could remake it with gource of course
09:42 rangi but yeah, might be out of time i think
09:57 slef oh well something for next time
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11:18 Amit_Gupta heya jwagner
11:19 jwagner hi Amit_Gupta
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11:43 Amit_Gupta heya paul
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11:51 samuel hi everybody :-)
11:52 samuel i've a problem with opac, since i've upgraded koha for 3.8. I can't access (no message error) but no problem for the intranet
11:52 jcamins samuel: how did you install Koha?
11:55 jcamins dpavlin_away: around?
11:56 samuel as we are in test, we use the deb package. So, when i've done the upgrade, i've this problem.
11:57 jcamins samuel: does anything at all show up when you try to access the OPAC?
11:57 samuel nothing at all
11:58 jcamins Does the web browser say it can't connect?
11:59 samuel "It works!  This is the default web page for this server.  The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet.", strange thing
11:59 jcamins Oh.
11:59 jcamins Run: sudo a2dissite default
11:59 jcamins Then run: sudo apache2ctl restart
12:00 samuel nothing change
12:01 jcamins Really?
12:01 jcamins That means it's a DNS issue.
12:04 jcamins Run: ls /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
12:04 samuel koha is enabled :-)
12:04 jcamins Is there anything else?
12:05 samuel no
12:05 jcamins Run: sudo apache2ctl restart
12:05 jcamins (again)
12:06 samuel nothing, problem of redirection
12:06 jcamins If you're still getting the default site, that means that your DNS is wrong.
12:12 jcamins paul_p: was that all automatic?
12:12 jcamins paul_p++
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12:12 paul_p jcamins  ?
12:12 wahanui well, jcamins is an outstanding cook, well-traveled and brilliant, trying to think of a solution, or the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra or an authorities expert
12:12 jcamins paul_p: the 8138 test
12:12 oleonard Hi everyone
12:12 paul_p jcamins yes, it is
12:13 paul_p[…]n/koha/
12:13 paul_p jcamins =[…]n/koha/
12:13 jcamins Woohoo!
12:13 jcamins That's *awesome*!
12:15 paul_p jcamins = patch pushed in a few minuts to contribs repo, will let you know
12:15 jcamins Thanks.
12:18 oleonard Thanks to all those who did so much work yesterday while I was goofing off
12:22 kf oleonard: you deserved goofing off :)
12:26 oleonard Actually yesterday was all busy with family stuff, so today I'm hoping for some nice rest at work ;)
12:37 kf paul_p: you are spamming me :)
12:38 paul_p kf ???
12:38 wahanui kf is cait or really, really sweet. or <reply>she gives me memory loss or a holds expert.
12:38 kf the 8138
12:38 kf but I don't mind
12:38 paul_p yikes !!!
12:38 paul_p my cron don't remove the file !!!
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12:41 kf ah, I wondered
12:41 kf because they were all so close together
12:41 kf in time
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12:51 chris_n paul_p: would it be desirable to add nytprof to the sandboxes?
12:52 paul_p chris_n why could this be done ? what are you thinking of ?
12:52 paul_p s/of/about/ maybe ;-)
12:52 chris_n it would allow checking performance especially of larger changes
12:53 chris_n also of the proposed caching changes, search changes, etc.
12:53 chris_n just a thought
12:56 jcamins chris_n: enjoying NYTProf?
12:56 jcamins Oh, speaking of NYTProf, you know what I learned yesterday?
12:56 jcamins I learned that "use ZOOM" requires 700ms on *every single page*.
12:56 chris_n yes... just not enjoying the brick wall between me and the fix to my problem
12:56 chris_n ouch!
12:56 chris_n !ZOOM
12:56 jcamins Whether we're doing any searching or not.
12:57 chris_n not good
12:57 kf ouch
12:57 kf indeed
12:57 chris_n caching has not improved performance on this machine a bit
12:57 chris_n sadly
12:57 kf :(
12:58 jcamins chris_n: odd. I saw huge improvements even on my development VM.
12:58 chris_n I'm tempted to wipe it clean and start again
12:59 jcamins You can't upgrade the hardware?
12:59 chris_n not easily
12:59 jcamins 'Cause that's probably what's needed.
13:00 chris_n probably so... things are superfast on my quad-core dev box
13:00 chris_n maybe I should make a donation to the library ;-)
13:00 jcamins Also, Plack is kind of incredible.
13:01 * jcamins was not expecting it to make such a noticeable difference.
13:01 jcamins chris_n: you could just take an old desktop... it'd be faster than your current server.
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13:02 * chris_n reruns ntyprof with caching off
13:06 paul_p Plack is just what I was expected, I just regret to have waiting so long to organize something around it !
13:13 kf paul_p: It's hard to get bigger community projects organized
13:14 kf paul_p: are you running plack in production already?
13:14 paul_p kf = nope for plack (except OPAC for Lyon 3)
13:14 paul_p kf = agreed for community organized being hard ;-)
13:15 kf but overall I think we do pretty good :)
13:15 kf lots of things moving
13:15 Oak we do :)
13:15 * jcamins would run it in production if 3.6.x was Plack-friendly.
13:15 Oak but because of you guys.
13:16 kf oleonard++ # for working on jquery ui :)
13:16 jcamins Best way to shake out problems is have lots of people shaking. :)
13:16 Oak oleonard++
13:16 Oak jcamins++
13:17 Oak kf++
13:18 * oleonard didn't know PTFS-Europe supported Evergreen too: http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]
13:18 Oak oleonard, what is the best way to add a div box on right column of opac under the login box? i have added it by modifying the template but that i think is not a good way?
13:19 oleonard Implement Bug 3708? :)
13:19 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3708 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Add another customizable region to the OPAC: right sidebar
13:19 oleonard Oak: Otherwise your only choice is to use jQuery
13:19 Oak hmm :)
13:20 Oak and i don't know jQuery :(
13:20 * chris_n grips about bulky code
13:20 oleonard Oak did you check the jQuery library on the wiki for existing solutions?
13:20 Oak no.
13:20 oleonard jquery library?
13:20 wahanui jquery library is found at[…]ki/JQuery_Library
13:20 * Oak runs to the wiki
13:21 oleonard Let me know if you don't see something there
13:21 Oak wow
13:21 Oak thank you!
13:21 Oak will do.
13:25 * wizzyrea waves
13:26 Oak hello quiet wizzyrea
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13:28 kf hi sekjal
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13:34 sekjal hi, kf
13:59 sekjal anyone in channel know anything about Kurogo? (open source 'mobile optimized middleware')
13:59 kf no idea
14:08 wizzyrea whoa
14:08 * wizzyrea will have to look up kurogo
14:10 * Oak looking
14:11 sekjal looks like one of the big companies involved, Modo Labs, has produced a Library module
14:11 sekjal unfortunately, I have not been able to find the source code for it (only for Kurogo's core)
14:12 paul_p jcamins = patch pushed on contribs/global for online signoff
14:12 jcamins paul_p++
14:13 Oak paul_p++
14:14 jcamins sekjal: I came across another very cool mobile development thing.
14:14 jcamins sekjal: isn't that useful? :)
14:14 jcamins PhoneGap.
14:15 jcamins Sometimes I even remember the name of the software I'm telling people about! :)
14:16 sekjal jcamins:  PhoneGap is awesome
14:16 sekjal love the idea
14:16 sekjal haven't had occasion to use it just yet...
14:17 jcamins Nor have I, but I think there's a library in the NYC metropolitan area  that did a library app with it.
14:19 sekjal I think it would be the way to go for a mobile staff client, should we ever want to go that direction
14:19 sekjal write it in HTML5/CSS/Javascript, then compile for whatever platform your running
14:19 jcamins Agreed.
14:20 jcamins sekjal: have you tried plack with Koha at all?
14:21 jcamins Seems like something you might enjoy playing with. :)
14:21 sekjal jcamins: I haven't yet... been doing lots of yardwork and house stuff with my free time lately
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14:21 sekjal but I do mean to run it on my local Koha instance, once I populate it
14:24 jcamins I tried installing Plack last night.
14:24 jcamins It's really quite cool.
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15:03 * chris_n wonders why folks use 3rd party barcode generators
15:04 chris_n especially for something as straightforward as creating scan-sheets
15:08 oleonard What do you mean chris_n?
15:09 chris_n I'm referring to the thread on the user's list regarding class-sorted patron scan sheets
15:09 chris_n its pretty simple to do with the patron card creator
15:10 chris_n but perhaps I'm missing some key point in the discussion :)
15:11 jcamins chris_n: most likely the key point is that the librarians were never shown the patron card creator.
15:11 jcamins Might be worth pointing out its existence.
15:11 chris_n I did
15:11 jcamins Oh.
15:11 jcamins Okay.
15:11 jcamins Missed that.
15:11 jcamins Sorry.
15:11 kf chris_n: perhaps showing an example would work
15:11 kf like, click here - this is a scansheet created with Koha!
15:12 slef kf: just lost a speaker. OK if I invite kyleh to replace?
15:12 chris_n I could to that, but it would be pretty boring after redacting names, etc...
15:12 kf I didn't knwo we had an abstract from kyle
15:12 jcamins slef: aww. Which talk?
15:12 kf yes, which one?
15:12 wahanui i guess which one is it
15:12 slef kf: we don't yet. He was a stand-by.
15:13 slef jcamins: kf: The Phillipines one.
15:13 kf oh, that's sad
15:13 jcamins That's too bad.
15:13 kf did they give a reason?
15:13 jcamins What will he be talking about?
15:13 slef kf: yes and I don't think it's fair to share but it is completely unavoidable.
15:14 slef jcamins: kyleh ? I think he's open to requests...
15:15 slef The other option is to reinstate paul_p's other talk but I think we felt that overlapped with other talks already on there and paul_p is doing a double or triple duty already
15:17 slef I lean towards kyleh but which would you prefer?
15:17 paul_p triple duty ? mmm... /me thought I had a tiny talk on presenting sandboxes, and a full talk
15:18 kf yep, Ithink you got "what is new" and the sandboxes
15:18 kf slef: not sure what I prefer - becasue don't know what kyle will be talkign about :)
15:18 slef nothing for paul_p at hackfest?
15:18 kf but I think more different people might be good
15:18 kf slef: nope, onthing at hackfest
15:18 kf but I think it's ok to not have so many presentations there
15:18 slef oh my brain!
15:18 wahanui slef, your brain is asleep :-(  I don't remember seeing that error.  Seems like the sort of thing that would be on the web.
15:19 kf more time for people to practice communication skills :)
15:19 paul_p slef = well, nothing or manything ! I think it will be an "unconference"
15:19 jcamins Seems kind of hard to make any sort of decision without some idea of what the talks are.
15:19 slef do we want to suggest any topic to kyleh ?
15:19 paul_p for the hackfest, we (BibLibre) have 10 topics to speak of !
15:19 paul_p well, not 10, more 50 ;-)
15:19 slef anything not being covered in the programme that a library tech would have insight into?
15:20 kf paul_p: that's a lot! :)
15:20 kf paul_p: do you need any additional equipment? like flipchart paper or something?
15:21 paul_p I like flipchart paper if we can have one.
15:21 paul_p kf = do we have video-projectors ?
15:21 paul_p how many ?
15:21 paul_p BibLibre can come with one if it can be usefull
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15:21 slef one video projector AFAIK... if you want more, it would be very useful
15:22 slef might be useful as a standby anyway... not sure what is in edinburgh already
15:22 jcamins slef: I think we're already heavy enough on "development for librarians."
15:22 jcamins Perhaps he could talk about offline circ? I think he's done a lot of work with that?
15:22 jcamins That's of interest to libraries.
15:22 kyleh slef: I'm open to talking about anything
15:22 slef jcamins: great idea!
15:22 slef kyleh: hello :)
15:23 paul_p slef = how many ppl registered for the conf ? for the hackfest ?
15:23 kyleh I can certainly talk about offline circ
15:24 paul_p kyleh = do you have tried our KOCT FF module ?
15:24 kyleh paul_p: no I have not, but I can familiarize myself with it.
15:24 kf kyleh: it would be cool if you could show both
15:24 paul_p kyleh = who comes from bywater ?
15:24 kf kyleh: I think both have advantages - the stnadalone tool and the firefox
15:25 kyleh kf: agreed. It would be a dis-service to not present both.
15:25 slef paul_p: 70 combined at the moment. I need to split them today but have not yet.
15:26 kf slef: possible to get paper? I was wondering for the bug squash too, sometimes nice to have something visible where people can put notes on
15:26 paul_p about KohaCon13, did we made some progress ? we've 2 candidates if I'm not mistaking. Is there a plan for voting ? (we used to announce KohaConN+1 at the end of KohaConN)
15:26 kf slef: I still have to think about the bug squash a bit - perhaps coming up with something :)
15:31 kf paul_p: I think even 3 candidates - in the wiki now
15:32 kf ok, have to run - bbl :)
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15:41 oleonard requires edit_catalogue permission, but it should also be accessible to those with edit_items permission
15:41 oleonard Is it possible to make that work?
15:41 oleonard flagsrequired => edit_catalogue || edit_items?
15:42 jcamins oleonard: yes.
15:42 wizzyrea oleonard: I'm not sure you want to do that
15:43 oleonard Why wizzyrea ?
15:43 wizzyrea because you might have a situation wher eyou wanted people to be able to edit the record, but not the associated items
15:43 wizzyrea i'll grant you it's probably a 123
15:44 oleonard wizzyrea: I think we're on the same page. I'm talking about not
15:44 oleonard = cataloging home page
15:45 wizzyrea oh sorry, I read that wrong
15:45 wizzyrea never mind.
15:45 wizzyrea >.<
15:49 oleonard So jcamins, uh... How to do that?
15:50 jcamins oleonard: do what?
15:50 jcamins Oh.
15:50 jcamins Just the way you suggested.
15:51 jcamins Wait, no, let me check.
15:51 jcamins I think it might be a single | rather than ||
15:53 jcamins flagsrequired => { edit_catalogue => '*' }
15:53 jcamins I think?
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16:00 oleonard Thanks jcamins, turns out it's flagsrequired   => { editcatalogue => '*' }
16:00 jcamins I was close.
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16:17 oleonard Hm... Is there any place for a user with "fast_cataloging" permission on the cataloging home page?
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16:32 oleonard So " editcatalogue => '*'" gives users with Fast cataloging permission access to where they can't do anything but see what's in the catalog.
16:32 jcamins oleonard: so, they'll be a bit bored.
16:33 oleonard Okay, so whatever.
16:33 jcamins oleonard: that's my feeling.
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17:05 jcamins oleonard: how do we do tabs in Koha?
17:06 jcamins Let me rephrase that.
17:06 jcamins How *should* we be doing tabs in Koha?
17:06 oleonard We should be using the latest version of jQueryUI to do javascript-driven tabs. I'm working on a patch for that right now.
17:06 jcamins Ah.
17:06 jcamins I will sign off and then base my work on it.
17:07 oleonard Right now we use an older version of the tabs plugin from before it was rolled into jQueryUI
17:07 jcamins I'll sign off on your autocomplete thing while we're at it.
17:07 oleonard the differences in syntax are really minor
17:08 jcamins oleonard: what's the bug number?
17:08 Oak hmm. a 404 here
17:08 jcamins (of teh one you just did)
17:09 jcamins My connection is saturated so browsing is an exercise in frustration.
17:09 oleonard Bug 7747 already has a signoff
17:09 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Replace YUI autocomplete with jQueryUI
17:09 jcamins Ah, excellent.
17:09 jcamins That's what I meant.
17:09 jcamins Guess I don't have to.
17:10 jcamins git qa 8161
17:10 jcamins Sorry.
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17:19 jcamins yui--
17:24 Oak yui--
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17:37 drojf good evening
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17:38 jcamins oleonard: I'm thinking about exporting authorities.
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17:38 jcamins I have a user interface question for you.
17:39 oleonard You should tabify a sprited widget-table with some ajax
17:39 jcamins My instinct is that since most of the options on tools/ have nothing to do with authorities, it makes more sense to have separate tabs for exporting bibs and auths.
17:41 jcamins Does that make sense?
17:41 oleonard Are the two different kinds of operations similar enough that the should be on the same page? The other option would be to just have two pages.
17:42 jcamins oleonard: I think it does make sense to have one page, because it's an "export all your data" page.
17:43 jcamins I think tools/ makes sense as the place to go to export *all* your data.
17:44 jcamins (not that there's any other data at the moment, but one day there will be nifty semantic triple-stored data:)
17:44 oleonard So the next question is whether both functions should be on the same page and tabbed with jquery or whether the tabs should be cosmetic and each links to a separate page (like the tabs for members/, members/ etc)
17:44 oleonard ...if that makes any sense
17:44 jcamins Hm.
17:44 jcamins That's a good question.
17:45 cait I think I like the idea
17:45 cait having a tabbed side navigation like we have on members perhaps
17:45 jcamins cait: which idea?
17:46 cait and later being able to export other data
17:46 jcamins No, I can't do tabbed side navigation.
17:46 cait like patron information
17:46 jcamins We use the side for the tools.
17:46 cait ah
17:46 cait right
17:46 cait then top tabbed navigation like oleonard suggested i think?
17:47 cait although I think some of the tools have their own navigation, I think the printing module have toolbars, but that't not really working here
17:48 cait ok, not sure I ammaking sense - blame accounting
17:48 jcamins Yeah, I like the top tabs idea.
17:48 jcamins That's why I asked about it. :)
17:49 jcamins What I'm not sure about is whether they should be different files.
17:49 oleonard There's also the option of loading the  content of the second tab via AJAX rather than actually moving to the other page
17:50 oleonard I don't think we do that anywhere yet in Koha
17:50 cait bit worried about accessibility
17:52 jcamins It seems to me that having it all one one page using jQuery to produce the tabs would be most amenable to a no-Javascript environment.
17:52 jcamins If Javascript is disabled, you just have to scrolld own more for future tabs.
17:52 oleonard The staff client requires JavaScript.
17:53 jcamins I guess that's not such a concern then.
17:53 jcamins Wow.
17:53 jcamins Amazon redid the AWS console.
17:53 cait oleonard: I think javascript is not all bad as some screenreaders can deal with it
17:56 cait only not sure when and where it's ok
17:56 jcamins oleonard: so, we return to the original question. How should I do this?
17:57 jcamins You have the deciding vote.
17:57 oleonard If it doesn't make the template and script too difficult to maintain I don't have a problem with doing it all on one page
17:58 wajasu i'm using a sandbox against master.  i am trying to add a biblio/item using the z39.50 search to find a record with an author with a diacritic (i.e. Jürgen).  The results show no author in the x3950 search results. (Because author is in 700 fields I guess). Do I need to change a sys preference to get the authority imported?
17:58 jcamins oleonard: it would just make both longer.
17:58 jcamins wajasu: you can't import authorities over Z39.50.
17:59 wajasu ok.
18:14 jcamins Remember how a few weeks ago we had someone who had used koha-restore to migrate their database and ended up with a non-working system?
18:14 jcamins Looks like a bug in koha-restore.
18:14 sekjal jcamins:  just glanced over the Dept. of Homeland Security's recently released list of keywords they monitor online.  "authorities" is one
18:15 jcamins sekjal: woohoo!
18:15 jcamins What's that song from Anything Goes?
18:16 jcamins Ah, Public Enemy Number One. :)
18:17 sekjal pork, plot, ice, crest and enriched are also all on there
18:17 cait ice?
18:17 jcamins Odd... I don't see any reason why koha-restore doesn't work.
18:18 sekjal cait:  yes, there are some very, very generic words on there.  I really hope they aren't actually filtering anything against it
18:18 cait yeah
18:23 wajasu i just edited 100a of the biblio to get an author with a diacritc Jürgen.  printed my label, and got JÃ1⁄4rgen.  Now I will perform this process to fix 1) create new bug report. create a patch, test it locally, attach it to the bug report, test it in a sandbox, let someone else sign off (unless i can), let qa/rel mgr do their push/etc.  Hope for the next release.
18:24 jcamins wajasu: you can't sign off on your own patch.
18:24 wajasu ok. makes sense
18:24 jcamins wajasu: how did you fix your problem?
18:27 wajasu i had done a patch last year so diacritcs would show.[…]hment.cgi?id=5713  but Katrin tested and said it didn't help.  I thought my dev environment was at fault, so now that the latest release is out on squeeze, I thought I'd give it another try.
18:28 jcamins Ah.
18:29 wajasu i just added a utf8::downgrade($line) in the label printing pdf code and they started showing up for me.  I wanted to get some else to try, so I don't have to make the fix with each new release.
18:30 Oak night guys
18:32 wajasu It would be nice if I could have specified the bugzilla id=5713 with the sandbox.  Then I could have tried it with sandbox and not create a new bug.  I think if I create a new bug it will be easier for someone else to test/sign off.
18:33 jcamins wajasu: but if there isn't an appropriate bug, no one will look at it to sign off.
18:33 jcamins So better to create a new bug.
18:39 * chris_n finally got a clear direction to move on his koha server
18:39 jcamins chris_n: oh?
18:40 chris_n the poor exhausted thing finally expired
18:40 chris_n so now I'll get new hardware ;-)
18:40 wajasu i like the sandbox.  it could be made even better.  a) create kvm-based image of master from git,  b) apply patch (or not)  OR allow ssh into kvm environment for fix to code c) test d) use a new sandbox-patch link/button  to  create a bug report/patch, attach it to report,, mail to list etc.    Then alot of quick fixes can be done with.
18:40 jcamins chris_n: if you're using packages, be aware that koha-restore is currently broken, at least for moving an installation from one server to a different one.
18:40 * chris_n stubbornly uses git :)
18:41 jcamins chris_n: well, it's _your_ time.
18:41 jcamins :P
18:44 sekjal git++
18:45 cait wajasu: I think the sandboxes are mainly intended to be used for testers with only basic technical knowledge
18:45 cait wajasu: for developing a local installation might be better, you can easily have one in a vm on your local desktop
18:58 wajasu ok.
19:06 oleonard If I'm changing the contents of a .pref file there's no second step, right? No more changing the database or anything like that?
19:06 cait hm, should be ok I think
19:06 cait depending on the change
19:06 jcamins oleonard: that's correct.
19:09 chris_n oleonard: assuming "change" is != "add"
19:09 oleonard Right, modifying an existing pref description (Bug 8163)
19:09 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8163 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Click to populate XSLT preferences with "default" or empty values
19:14 cait oleonard: safe :)
19:17 chris_n if you have a little extra cash lying around:
19:18 jcamins Wait, there are anonymous accounts by default in MySQL 5.5?!?!?
19:18 oleonard Oh man I spent my last $2,000,000 on hot dogs and chips for the picnic yesterday
19:18 chris_n hehe
19:19 oleonard And by the way if anyone wants to come by for hot dogs and chips I've got a few left over.
19:22 jcamins mysql5.5--
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19:37 sekjal jcamins:  ack, that's terrible!
19:38 jcamins sekjal: anonymous logins, and '%' no longer matches localhost.
19:41 sekjal hmmm, now I want to get multi-database support even moreso
19:41 magnuse time to move to mariadb?
19:42 chris_n oracle--
19:42 sekjal I think we could write a script to list out all the SQL in Koha, and then check it for cross-database compatibility
19:43 chris_n that's probably true for the most part
19:43 chris_n some of it is built on the fly, but most is hard code
19:44 jcamins Not sure MariaDB will be any different.
19:44 chris_n really?
19:44 cait sekjal: I think mbalmer did go through the sql i most parts and some it is not easy to be resolved
19:45 cait sekjal: not sure how to start work on an abstraction layer - it sounds hard
19:45 sekjal perhaps a start:[…].html#sql-crossdb
19:45 cait could we do a mix? get it started and change part by part or is it a all in one change?
19:45 jcamins cait: the trick is to focus on the big picture rather than worrying about backticks.
19:45 cait jcamins: you don't have to tell me :)
19:45 jcamins cait: I know. :)
19:46 sekjal right, we need to identify the problematic patterns, and which can be replaced, and which will require humans to rewrite
19:47 mbalmer we should switch to PostgreSQL, indeed.  sync/async replication and much more..
19:47 chris_n sekjal: bz does have some good cross db dox
19:47 sekjal for example, I think we *might* be able to replace IFNULL usage with COALESCE in a programmatic way
19:48 mbalmer PostgreSQL is so much advanced over MySQL...
19:48 jcamins mbalmer: when Koha is running smoothly on Postgres, I will surely try it and see if it makes a difference for my users. :)
19:48 oleonard mbalmer: That's not the point
19:49 oleonard mbalmer: The point is to make Koha db-independent
19:49 cait mbalmer: we have 2000 librares actually using Koha now - you can't force all those to switch database
19:49 mbalmer no. koha should choose the right DB.
19:50 cait mbalmer: it might happen that one will not be used over time, but that time will show
19:50 rangi More like 4000
19:50 oleonard mbalmer: There's no right DB
19:50 cait right :)
19:50 sekjal mbalmer:  disagree.  the library should choose the DB that's right for them
19:50 sekjal Koha should allow that
19:50 mbalmer db independence means using the least common denominator etc.
19:50 * chris_n tries in vain to drop the bag of skittles
19:50 * cait goes to look up skittles
19:50 jcamins chris_n: put down the skittles and nobody gets hurt.
19:51 chris_n hehe
19:51 chris_n cait: a
19:51 cait a candy.. and I don't know it?
19:51 oleonard It's okay cait, it's a terrible candy :P
19:51 chris_n corn syrup and citric acid... mostly
19:52 chris_n oh yes.. and hydrogenated palm kernel oil
19:52 mbalmer we should make a decision to run on PostgreSQL and use the advanced features PostgreSQL has to offer.  Notihing less.
19:52 chris_n real healthfood
19:52 oleonard mbalmer: That's not how this community works
19:52 rangi Ohh I could Godwin this whole discussion right now
19:52 jcamins mbalmer: you may make that decision. _I_ will make the decision that works for me. Then we can both be happy.
19:54 * chris_n looks around for a billy goat
19:55 rangi Heh
19:56 mtj nice ->'s_law
19:56 mtj and,  morning #koha...
19:56 jcamins Morning.
19:56 wahanui morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
19:57 * chris_n 's cat gets fresh goat milk each morning
19:57 chris_n so mornings are good around here
19:58 * jcamins 's cat would like some fresh goat milk now, please.
19:58 rangi Gruff milk?
19:58 chris_n lol
19:58 jcamins Also, he's ready for some currying if I don't mind.
19:59 * chris_n hands off a quart to jcamins' cat
20:00 chris_n wow: "inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons"
20:00 chris_n that's some lingo
20:00 * sekjal 's cats woke him up at 2am this morning as they had a very vocal fight about.... something
20:03 * magnuse puts a stack of freshly made low carb waffles in the middle of #koha, then wanders off to devour the rest of 'em
20:03 cait low carb waffles
20:03 cait he could have left with an explanation about that...
20:04 oleonard cait: You put a waffle on a plate, and then throw away the waffle. Then you smell the plate and wish you had a waffle.
20:04 jcamins lol
20:04 cait lol
20:05 magnus_waffles lol
20:05 magnus_waffles it's made with almond flour and lots of eggs
20:05 magnus_waffles and replacement sugar
20:05 cait oh yum
20:05 chris_n fresh milk and waffles
20:05 chris_n yum yum
20:06 magnus_waffles this, in fact:
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20:12 rangi My stop
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20:14 wizzyrea hmm the quick slip doesn't seem to print the issues anymore
20:14 cait yep it has been reported
20:15 cait from melia earlier tonight and I tihnk there is another bug in bugzilla somewhere
20:15 * wizzyrea wonders wtf happened. :(
20:15 melia ah ok. I couldn't find another bug, so I just reopened that same one.
20:15 cait hm
20:15 cait maybe bug 8129?
20:15 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8129 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , quick slips issuing does not work
20:16 cait date comparisons - so maybe a side effect of hourly?
20:16 wizzyrea oh good point
20:16 cait melia's is on bug 7001
20:16 * wizzyrea knows it worked when she tested 7001
20:16 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, In Discussion , User Configurable Slips
20:18 * libsysguy feels bad about hourly
20:19 wizzyrea why?!
20:19 libsysguy every time i sign in I feel like wizzyrea is having problems becuase of it
20:19 wizzyrea !
20:19 wizzyrea well that's just coincidence. :P
20:19 * wizzyrea does not feel bad about hourly
20:19 cait it was a big change
20:19 wizzyrea ^^
20:19 cait don't feel bad about it :)
20:19 libsysguy wizzyrea stop testing things and finding bugs I missed :p
20:19 wizzyrea and, all of it can be fixed :)
20:19 wizzyrea I didn't!
20:19 libsysguy true
20:20 libsysguy hah
20:20 libsysguy maybe my next big project won't cause as many problems
20:20 cait depends on your  next big project ....
20:20 * cait is curious :)
20:20 wizzyrea don't forget, 7001 was my baby
20:20 wizzyrea well, srdjan's baby really
20:20 sekjal looks like 8129 identifies the problem and solution pretty well... anyone want to give it a try?
20:20 wizzyrea we had a code baby together.
20:20 cait well... it has a dad and a mom then :)
20:21 libsysguy cait
20:21 wizzyrea that sounds… wrong.
20:21 wizzyrea oh hey
20:21 wizzyrea sekjal - I'll give that a go
20:21 cait oh
20:21 libsysguy code coitus
20:21 wizzyrea ew
20:22 cait ew
20:22 libsysguy heh
20:22 sekjal I think line 2278 of C4/ may be the place to change
20:22 sekjal put $today in the same format as issuedate and date_due
20:23 sekjal brownie points: renaming the variable $now, since it is now more specific than just day
20:24 cait libsysguy: I am still not getting it :(
20:25 * wizzyrea needs a git alias for "wip"
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20:25 libsysguy cait I am trying to rebase koha on the Catalyst framework
20:26 cait and you think that will cause less problems than hourly?
20:26 libsysguy it has a lot of cool features, plus it would reign in the codebase
20:26 libsysguy haha
20:26 cait is it a proof of concept?
20:26 libsysguy yeah it is
20:26 libsysguy I am working on notices
20:27 libsysguy rewriting the interface and integrating it with the calendar
20:27 wizzyrea with the stuff from 7001 I hope
20:27 libsysguy also working on a way to implement calendar recurrences
20:27 cait hm
20:27 cait perhaps not all at once?
20:27 cait you know... tiny steps
20:27 libsysguy oh yeah
20:27 cait easier to test and get in
20:27 libsysguy well this is just a proof of concept
20:27 wizzyrea there was one other thing
20:27 libsysguy I don't really know how to go about it
20:28 libsysguy other than get something working
20:28 libsysguy then show it off
20:28 libsysguy code and pony show?
20:28 wizzyrea that needed to be added to 7001 - instead of requiring a file, use a "slipcss" pref like "opacusercss"
20:28 libsysguy heh
20:28 wizzyrea and include that.
20:28 wizzyrea instead of requiring a special file.
20:29 rangi back
20:31 libsysguy bug 7001
20:31 huginn` Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, In Discussion , User Configurable Slips
20:33 oleonard Okay, I'm off. Y'all get that database thing sorted out while I'm gone okay? Thanx.
20:34 * cait was more planning to sort out the waffles...
20:35 mtj rangi:  heya - did you know this got broked ->
20:35 mtj prolly from yr nginx switch?
20:36 rangi nope i didnt, or i would have fixed it :)
20:36 rangi 2 seconds
20:38 mtj ta :)
20:39 melia I have another question from a library who upgraded to 3.8.1 today that *might* be related to hourly loans, possibly. (I'm not sure if there's a bug report yet - I can't find one)
20:40 rangi brave library :)
20:40 melia items that are due today 5/29 at 23:59 are showing as due at 00:00
20:40 rangi and that 1 minute will kill us all!
20:40 wizzyrea ^^
20:40 melia hehe
20:40 melia they're getting charged for it being overdue 1 day that it's not really overdue
20:41 melia (so the library says)
20:41 rangi hmm
20:41 sekjal solution:  don't charge overdues
20:41 rangi most likely to do with hourly loans
20:41 melia LOL. thanks sekjal. :)
20:41 jcamins melia: if you're using the cronjob to calculate fines, it's nothing to worry about.
20:41 rangi since nothing was due at time based period before that
20:41 jcamins Add a one-day grace period and it'll be straightened out tomorrow.
20:42 jcamins If you're doing the calculate-at-return method for calculating fines, add a 24-hour grace period, and wait 3 weeks.
20:42 jcamins If you're not doing either of those things, that's a mighty creative library you got there!
20:42 melia haha. I'm not sure how they're calculating their fines. I'll go look at that.
20:43 rangi mtj:
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20:49 druthb o/
20:50 rangi hiya druthb
20:50 druthb hiya, rangi
20:56 libsysguy hey druthb :)
20:56 * druthb pulls out cookies, and offers one to libsysguy.
20:56 libsysguy awww
20:56 * libsysguy takes cookies and runs back to his dark corner
20:57 druthb heh
20:57 sekjal alright, folks, time for me to go.  have a good morning/afternoon/evening/etc
20:58 libsysguy what is the difference between a TT file and an INC file
20:59 * libsysguy can't find anything other than the extension
20:59 cait slef: around?
21:01 jcamins libsysguy: they have different extensions. That's all, as far as I know.
21:04 libsysguy jcamins++
21:04 cait libsysguy: I think an inc file is a tt files used as ain iclude?
21:04 cait without all my typos
21:04 * cait should sleep
21:04 libsysguy heh its ok I got the gist
21:04 libsysguy sleep is a wonderful thing
21:05 cait good night all :)
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21:08 seanb howdy.  quick question: can koha and drupal play nice on the same server?
21:10 rangi as long as you set up your apache configuration nicely then yep
21:11 seanb hmmm.  host based resolution?  something like that?
21:12 seanb or is it name based...
21:13 rangi name based probably, drupal is a big pile of php mess, and koha is pile of perl mess .. drupal can work your server pretty hard too, so it depends on a lot of things, how big the sites are, how much traffic they get, how grunty the server is
21:14 libsysguy and how hard you are nailing mysql
21:14 seanb i already have some research to do... drupal is sitting in /var/www and koha is sitting elsewhere.  i'm clear on how to configure apache properly at the most fundamental level
21:14 seanb *not clear
21:15 seanb the koha db isn't hitting mysql very hard, and i don't expect the drupal do so either. by the time that would be a factor, i hopefully will have learned how to properly tune it
21:15 rangi you'd have 2 different (well 3, koha already uses 2) virtualhosts
21:15 seanb under sites-enabled?
21:15 rangi id do some reading up on apache :)
21:15 libsysguy ^^
21:16 libsysguy you're probably going to have to assign something to a different port or have multiple IP's assigned to that box
21:17 rangi hm not really no
21:17 rangi namebased hosting is fine all on the same port/ip
21:17 * rangi has 15 koha running on the same ip and port
21:17 libsysguy 0_0
21:17 * druthb has 25 instances on one box.
21:18 libsysguy madness
21:18 druthb same IP and port.
21:18 druthb NameVirtualHost++
21:18 libsysguy heh oh yeah
21:23 seanb k
21:23 seanb i guess i'll see what happens with my bumbling around
21:27 seanb in order to create a virtual host entry for drupal, do i do something similar to the koha link under sites-enabled?
21:28 rangi my response to drupal is always
21:28 rangi 'burn it, burn it with fire!'
21:28 rangi so im not the best person to ask about that :-)
21:29 rangi but i suspect the answer is yes
21:29 seanb lol!  if i were using two separate servers, it would be a non-issue
21:29 seanb since koha already has a virtual host on port 80, i can't complete the drupal installation
21:30 rangi ahh so it appears it's drupal that wont play nice, wants to be the only site on the server?
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21:31 mtj ftw , ive setup koha and drupal vhosts, on the same box...
21:31 seanb not necessarily.  i think normally it doesn't have to worry about other virtual hosts.  i just lack the expertise to create a named virtual host for drupal
21:31 seanb not hard, i'm sure.  i just don't have the info on the top of my head
21:31 seanb mtj, i have a koha package installation and I have unpacked drupal
21:32 seanb i can look up how to do it, but it would great to get pointed in the right direction
21:32 seanb not sure how to setup the named virtual host for drupal so that it can work in parallel with koha
21:34 pastebot "mtj" at pasted "drupal" (8 lines) at
21:34 rangi hi kyleh
21:34 mtj ;)
21:35 wizzyrea do you have the namevirtualhost directive in your config?
21:35 * wizzyrea hasn't read the backlog
21:37 jcamins namevirtualhost?
21:37 jcamins apache?
21:37 wahanui hmmm... apache is the ram hog
21:37 jcamins Not quite what I was going for.
21:37 jcamins Oh well.
21:37 druthb lulz
21:39 seanb thanks!
21:41 seanb wizzyrea, are you talking about ports.conf?
21:42 wizzyrea afaik you can stick it anywhere apache reads config info from. I've seen it in ports.conf before
21:42 seanb that statement is in there
21:43 seanb oh.  it's commented out
21:43 seanb #NameVirtualHost *:80
21:44 wizzyrea try uncommenting it :)
21:45 wizzyrea and restarting apache.
21:45 wizzyrea and you do have DNS set up for your two virtualhosts, right?
21:49 seanb nope.  i'm using rackspace.  i copied my existing koha server into a new server to test it with drupal.  no dns.  will i be able to test this using just the ip address?
21:50 wizzyrea technically that's not how name virtual hosts work
21:50 seanb bah, i suppose not
21:51 jcamins seanb: you can edit /etc/hosts manually.
21:52 wizzyrea but you do have to have a name for it, somewhere.
21:52 seanb ah.  so i can put whatever dns name i want into /etc/hosts, as long as it resolves to the same ip address?
21:54 jcamins wizzyrea: of course, just use,, and
21:54 jcamins You could even use an invalid domain name.
21:54 * jcamins goes to get his first load of veggies from the CSA. :D
21:55 seanb i need to do a csa at some point
21:55 * wizzyrea too
21:55 wizzyrea but what would I do with all of that kale!
21:55 seanb chips!
21:56 seanb i'm not clear on how an invalid dns entry will allow me to get to drupal through apache
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22:06 Brooke o/
22:06 rangi hi Brooke ltns
22:07 Brooke gold farming the shizznit outta Diablo, but the servers are down, alas.
22:15 slef @later tell cait no I'm not around. That's great though :)
22:15 huginn` slef: The operation succeeded.
22:53 rangi interesting
22:57 jcamins_away Kale chips? TIRTMI
22:59 rangi heh
23:03 * rangi tests something
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23:05 eythian
23:07 eythian @later tell magnus_waffles yeah, I'll be not too far away from YAPC::EU, hoping to make it.
23:07 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded.
23:09 eythian @later tell magnus_waffles ah actually, your link is something different. I don't know that I'll be able to make it to Norway at that time.
23:09 huginn` eythian: The operation succeeded.
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