IRC log for #koha, 2012-03-31

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06:32 Oak kia ora #koha
06:49 bag hiya Oak
06:49 Oak hello bag
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07:12 cait hey #koha
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09:31 * mle will chase the internet access on MOnday
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10:42 slef yay mle
10:42 slef mle++
10:46 * slef does a bit more kohacon12 tweaking
10:46 slef lots of good papers coming in
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11:47 Culiforge Happy Friday NZ and #koha!
11:50 slef Friday?
11:50 wahanui i guess Friday is It's Friday, Friday Gotta get down on Friday
11:51 cait sunday in nz
11:53 slef wahanui: I LOVE YOU!
11:53 wahanui slef: huh?
11:53 slef wahanui: I LOVE YOU
11:53 wahanui slef: huh?
11:53 slef wahanui: oh get bent
11:53 wahanui slef: sorry...
11:54 cait heh
11:56 slef wahanui: ILOVEYOU
11:56 wahanui LOVE YOU TOO MATE but shut up and let me work
11:57 slef I knew it was there somewhere ;)
11:57 cait hehe
11:57 cait I started to worry a bit
11:58 slef ohhh it's the stress you know
11:58 cait heh
11:58 cait so interesting papers? :)
11:58 slef I think S just offered to work on kohacon12 sponsorships.
11:59 slef This may be the end of a beautiful relationship ;)
11:59 cait S is a nice person :)
11:59 cait nah
11:59 cait will S be in Edinburgh? :)
11:59 slef cait: wait until she starts asking you for money ;)
12:00 cait i will still like her
12:00 slef cait: yes, so if you refuse to sponsor, you'll have to face her
12:00 cait that's ok
12:00 cait I will bring her chocolate
12:01 slef $RealJob may drag her away before end of hackfest though
12:01 cait should we keep track of which lists we mailed somewhere?
12:01 cait oh :(
12:01 cait but at least she will be around sometime
12:01 slef on the wiki would be agood place to keep track
12:01 cait I haven't mailed any... but I think rangi did koha + koha-devel and 1 more
12:02 slef code4lib
12:02 wahanui code4lib is mostly coders
12:02 slef rangi did good
12:02 slef when it goes wider, it needs the "About Kohacon" and "About Koha" bits too
12:04 cait I am not subssribed to any other lists - not sure where it should go
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12:18 Culiforge <back, just logged on and it said the topic is: happy friday NZ, (I know it's not friday.. just playin along :) )
12:26 Topic for #koha is now Happy Reaching Monday Morning First, NZ!
12:27 slef Culiforge: OIC
12:27 Culiforge slef: ++
12:27 slef Culiforge: well, blooming layabouts, always sleeping ;)
12:29 Culiforge question for you or anyone else lurking about.... koha installed, all fixed up try webinstaller... get the apache 'index of /' page. checked hosts, httpd.conf, koha-httpd.conf I'm at a loss. any thoughts?
12:31 slef check /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
12:31 slef Culiforge: does the server serve any other websites?
12:31 slef wahanui: it works?
12:31 wahanui slef: bugger all, i dunno
12:31 Culiforge no, it's currently completely local
12:32 slef index of / is a sign that you may need to run sudo a2dissite default
12:32 slef it works is a sign that you may need to run sudo a2dissite default
12:32 slef wahanui: it works?
12:32 wahanui i don't know, slef
12:32 slef wahanui: index of /?
12:32 wahanui index of / is, like, a sign that you may need to run sudo a2dissite default
12:32 slef wahanui: 50% success!
12:32 wahanui slef: what?
12:32 slef wahanui: die!
12:32 wahanui errrrgh arrrrgh stop it that tickles a bit!
12:32 Culiforge will that work on Fedora (ducks and covers)
12:32 slef no idea
12:33 Culiforge slef: or is that a deb command
12:33 slef that def works on deb
12:33 slef httpd -S # to show where each site comes from, I think
12:33 slef or apache2 -S # if it's called apache2 not httpd
12:33 Culiforge I'll give it a shot and see what happens
12:34 Culiforge slef:  httpd: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for
12:35 slef Culiforge: sorry, your hosts or resolv.conf is misconfigured
12:35 Culiforge slef: ok, I'll check that out
12:36 slef Culiforge: might not be enough to stop koha working, but doesn't help.
12:38 Culiforge slef: ok, so in resolv.conf it lists 'search' as the address above without the koha. and 'nameserver' as my router address '
12:39 slef ok, and does either "host" work for you or is there a line for "" in your /etc/hosts?
12:39 slef and what URL were you accessing to try to look at koha?
12:42 Culiforge slef: currently trying localhost,,, and all with :8080 to no avail
12:42 Culiforge looing at hosts file.. one sec...
12:43 Culiforge is in hosts, yes led by ::1
12:43 slef Culiforge: it sounds awfully like you've put (or the installer guessed) Koha on and then either not told apache to serve NameVirtualHosts or not told anything where to find
12:45 slef Culiforge: ok, so are there lines "NameVirtualHost ::1:80" and "NameVirtualHost ::1:8080" in your apache config and does koha-httpd.conf have sections <NameVirtualHost ::1:80> and 8080?
12:48 slef wahanui: apache docs?
12:48 wahanui i don't know, slef
12:48 slef wahanui: NameVirtualHost?
12:48 wahanui slef: i don't know
12:49 Culiforge I have #namevirtualhost * then ##opac / <virtualhost>  and then ##intranet  <virtualhost>
12:51 slef you need to remove the # in front of namevirtualhost
12:52 slef else apache will only serve the default virtualhost
12:52 slef for each address
12:53 Culiforge do I need to restart apache after editing?
12:58 slef reload it
12:58 slef I don't think it needs a restart
12:58 Culiforge restarted anyway.. no harm..
12:59 Culiforge still no webinstaller tho.
13:00 slef ok, in the, what ServerName is given?
13:00 slef wahanui: virtualhost?
13:00 wahanui wish i knew, slef
13:00 slef wahanui: you're useless
13:00 wahanui slef: i'm not following you...
13:00 slef wahanui: figures
13:00 wahanui I like *your* figure
13:00 slef wahanui: die!
13:00 wahanui errrrgh arrrrgh stop it that tickles a bit!
13:01 Culiforge hold a sec.. didn't edit httpd.conf
13:02 slef wahanui: virtualhost is
13:02 wahanui OK, slef.
13:02 slef wahanui: wahanui?
13:02 wahanui rumour has it i am a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow
13:07 Culiforge NameVirtualHost *:80 in httpd.conf, should there also be NameVirtualHost *:8080 ?
13:16 Culiforge slef:  so I'm a library type, not a networking type. what does ::1 mean
13:16 Culiforge afk one sec, coffee and let the dog out
13:22 Culiforge back
13:24 slef ::1 is the IPv6 way of writing
13:24 slef as far as I know, anyway
13:24 slef I'm a statistician! ;)
13:25 Culiforge slef: makes sense
13:25 slef Culiforge: yes, probably both *:80 and *:8080, and Listen *:8080 too
13:25 Culiforge slef: hehe, so what's the probablility of me figuring this out? ;)
13:26 slef Culiforge: reply hazy, ask again later
13:26 Culiforge slef: nice, thanks for the confidence vote 8-ball
13:27 Culiforge slef: man, did I just date myself..
13:28 slef Culiforge: and if you dated yourself, is that incest?
13:28 slef Culiforge: and if you dated yourself, did you put the date in the accession date MARC21 field?
13:29 Culiforge slef: that's in the 'private' library... it's confidential...
13:30 * slef ponders cataloguing himslef
13:31 Culiforge slef: I'm sure there's a club for that (or at least a support group)
13:32 slef Seigfried and Roy... one thing I've never understood... which one's the tiger?
13:34 Culiforge slef: the tiger is Montecore
13:44 Culiforge slef: would the Listen 8080 go in just the httpd.conf or does it need to be in koha-httpd.conf as well?
13:45 Culiforge slef: I see that httpd.conf calls other *.conf in the directory
13:45 slef Culiforge: either
13:45 slef Culiforge: both mightcause a prob or might be fine
13:46 Culiforge slef: I'll just leave it in httpd.conf then. no need to break more stuff
13:46 slef Culiforge: spoilsport
13:47 Culiforge slef: this isn't my week to be adventursome
13:49 Culiforge slef: I just wish there was a way to make ubuntu look like fedora to my boss.. then I'd have this done already.
13:51 Culiforge slef: not making any progress... although 'httpd -S #' now returns: [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts
13:51 Culiforge VirtualHost configuration:
13:51 Culiforge wildcard NameVirtualHosts and _default_ servers:
13:51 Culiforge _default_:443 (/etc/httpd/conf.d/ssl.conf:75)
13:51 Culiforge Syntax OK
13:52 slef argh
13:53 slef the virtualhost lines, change them to *:80 and *:8080, or (if you don't want to access this from anywhere except localhost) change NameVirtualHost to and add another line NameVirtualHost
14:03 Culiforge slef: HMMM..  Apache doesn't like that noise --(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80
14:03 Culiforge slef: same with 8080
14:05 Culiforge slef: Ok, gotta go... it's 10AM here. I'm late for breakfast with the family... thanks for the help. gonna think on all this for a bit and maybe come back later
14:05 slef Culiforge: hrm, ok, you need to remove the NameVirtualHost *:80 or similar
14:06 slef basically, it's an apache config probelm, more base than koha
14:06 slef ttyl
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15:44 kmkale Namaste #koha
15:45 slef hi kmkale
15:45 kmkale Hi slef :)
15:45 kmkale how's the preps going?
15:45 slef ok ok
15:52 kmkale dinner time bbl
16:02 slef kmkale: I emailed out the first round of paper review requests today.  It's coming together!
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16:15 * cait waves once more
16:28 * jcamins_away waves back.
16:38 jcamins The ownership issues with Zebra only have to do with reindexing, right?
16:38 jcamins I mean, I could have the reindex and Zebra run as a completely different user from Apache's Koha user, and it wouldn't cause any problems... yes?
16:52 jcamins Where could we store the zebraqueue if not in MySQL?
16:54 cait jcamins++
17:04 jcamins magnus_away: when you're not away, if you have a moment and I'm around, I have a question for you.
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17:49 jcamins Bug 7821
17:49 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7821 critical, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Passed QA , XSLT systempreference multi-language support
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20:54 rangi Morning
20:54 cait morning rangi :)
21:01 sekjal morning, rangi.  evening, cait.
21:02 cait hi sekjal
21:24 jcamins_away o/
21:25 rangi hey sekjal and jcamins
21:25 cait hi jcamins
21:26 jcamins I have an exceedingly happy cat on my lap.
21:26 jcamins I gave Myshkin a little lick of ricotta.
21:29 cait hehe
21:29 jcamins rangi: sekjal: any thoughts on where one might store the zebraqueue other than MySQL?
21:31 jcamins I would like to be able to provide Koha instances to library school students, but I don't want to show any favoritism. This means that the 28MB overhead of Zebra is a bit of an issue.
21:31 jcamins (if I'm running a separate instance of Zebrasrv for each student)
21:32 jcamins So I'd like to share a single Zebra backend.
21:32 jcamins Should be reasonably easy to do--I just make the Zebra databases koha_whatever_biblios koha_whatever_authorities, and the searching is happy.
21:33 jcamins Indexing is a bit of an issue, though.
21:33 rangi yep
21:34 rangi why not in mysql?
21:34 jcamins fredericd's indexer would work well, if I had a single zebraqueue to look at.
21:34 sekjal runtime memory of a indexer daemon?
21:34 rangi well you would need multiple instances of the indexer running
21:34 jcamins Because there'd be separate MySQL DBs for each instance.
21:35 rangi yep, and sep zebra dbs
21:35 sekjal either that, or allow the daemon to handle multiple instances at once
21:35 rangi just one zebrasrv
21:35 rangi so essentially using zebra like we use mysql
21:35 jcamins Exactly.
21:36 rangi so you can still just store it in mysql, and have different indexing jobs running, that use the config files to update the right zebra db
21:37 jcamins Actually, I guess if there were a koha-foreach script that didn't run everything in parallel, or managed child processes, it wouldn't even be a problem to use cron.
21:37 rangi yep
21:37 jcamins I like the idea of koha-foreach -j N
21:38 jcamins If only I knew how to do it. ;)
21:38 rangi afaik you cna run zebraidx in parallel
21:38 rangi as long as its doing different db
21:39 rangi which you are
21:39 jcamins Yes, but I'm concerned about the load on the server.
21:40 jcamins There won't be a deadlock, which is good, but starting rebuild_zebra apparently involves loading all of C4, including C4::XSLT.
21:41 rangi yep, master is currently dead in the water
21:42 jcamins (and sekjal's research suggests that just loading all the C4 modules is a performance killer)
21:42 * jcamins ponders.
21:46 jcamins There must be some way in Perl to make system not wait.
21:48 jcamins (I know I could do fork and exec manually)
21:50 jcamins rangi: well, it's not like koha-foreach is going to work when I'm done with it anyway. :P
21:53 rangi heh
21:54 cait hah
21:54 cait serial alerts work in 3.6.3!
21:55 rangi yay
21:55 jcamins Yay!
22:00 jcamins @later tell eythian Are you allowed to use Perl scripts in debian/scripts?
22:00 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
22:03 cait yeah, but still not working on master...
22:03 cait *sigh*
22:03 cait perhaps my mail setup
22:03 cait still experimenting
22:03 cait and the mails have broken diacritics
22:03 cait but it's a start
22:03 rangi no, master is a bit of a mess at the moment
22:03 cait I am working on a master branch with the xslt patch applied...
22:03 rangi i think time to stablise now before the release, just focus on fixes
22:03 cait because else my cronjob would sent me a complain mail every minute
22:03 rangi yep
22:04 rangi i just meant in general
22:04 cait ah yes
22:04 cait only trying to fix it
22:04 rangi a lot of bugs and regressions have crept in in the last few months
22:04 cait I fear so
22:04 cait the logs are messy
22:04 rangi yep
22:04 rangi i reckon time to just focus on cleaning for the release, not adding new things
22:05 cait I agree
22:16 * jcamins goes to make saag paneer. :)
22:16 jcamins Good night, #koha.
22:20 rangi Yum
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23:30 rangi gmcharlt++

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