IRC log for #koha, 2012-03-13

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00:09 mtj interesting... ->[…]-source-community
00:10 mtj ...and very topical to Koha :)
00:18 rangi eeeww bug 7704
00:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7704 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Independent Branches sys pref change to let librarians choose which things to share
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00:18 Oak kia ora #joha
00:19 Oak crap
00:19 Oak never mind
00:19 rangi ehe
00:19 Oak :) hello rangi
00:20 rangi hey Oak
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00:20 jcamins_away rangi: I think maybe if they called it something other than "IndependentX" that wouldn't sound quite so painful.
00:21 rangi yeah, it cant be independent but be dependent
00:22 rangi the eew is mostly because it can see it all going horrible wrong
00:23 jcamins_away Something like "ItemPermissions," "PatronPermissions," etc.
00:23 * jcamins_away too.
00:23 jcamins_away But I think if we thought of it not as "here are special cases we want to handle" but instead "here are the objects that require permissions" that wouldn't be nearly so probable.
00:24 rangi yup
00:24 rangi repurposing the syspref seems dangerous tho
00:24 rangi or at least error prone
00:24 jcamins_away Right.
00:24 jcamins_away So, kill IndependentBranches dead.
00:25 jcamins_away Have the upgrade say "oh, you have it enabled, that means you probably want these permissions..."
00:25 rangi yup
01:05 jcamins_away Hey, it just occurred to me... is bug 7701 what paul_p was saying was broken by bug 7001?
01:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7701 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Error when sending serial alerts
01:05 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips
01:48 Space_Librarian okay. If I've set a rule to email a patron type when an item has been checked out to them, do they have to check the option on their settings to receive said email?
01:48 Space_Librarian Does that even make sense?
01:49 mtj hmm, pass , not sure on that one :/
01:49 mtj but, the q does make sense :)
02:20 mtj random vim q..... anyone use a method for removing trailing-whitespace, *selectively* ?
02:21 mtj i have my F6 key mapped to do that, for the entire file... but i really want a selective method
02:22 eythian mtj: bind something to :'<,'>s/\s+$//?
02:22 mtj so i can fix just little blocks of a file - before sending up a patch :)
02:26 mtj map <F6>   <Esc>:'<,'>s/\s+$//<CR>    ...  in my .vimrc file, didnt work :/
02:27 mtj ( i struggle with the vim mapping syntax ) :)
02:28 eythian I'd expect that to work if you visual-select first
02:28 mtj my working examples are shamelessly pinched from teh net, with very little syntatic understanding by me
02:28 eythian but, I'm no expert on vim stuff
02:29 mtj E486: Pattern not found: \s+$
02:29 mtj twas the error, and thanks :) ill keep poking...
02:31 eythian nmap <F6> :'<,'>s/\\s\\+$//<CR>:let @/=''<CR>
02:45 mtj phew , got it sorted, twas an escaping typo
02:45 mtj map <F6>   <Esc>:'<,'> s/\s\+$//<CR>   works
02:46 mtj map <F6>   <Esc>:'<,'> s/\s+$//<CR>  doesnt  :/
02:46 mtj gotta escape the +... :/
02:47 mtj cheers eythian , next beer is on me :)
02:47 eythian yeah, vim escaping is strange and unusual
02:48 mtj i've been meaning to sort a vim macro for that, for about hmmmm, 5 years?
02:49 bag mtj?
02:49 wahanui DeM KraZy NutZ!!
02:52 mtj word-up bag!
02:54 bag :)
02:55 mtj haaay, while on the tidy-up topic.... has anyone else spotted this
02:55 mtj[…]in/
02:56 mtj ive been experimenting with it on my Koha JS code.. and it works a treat ;)
02:57 Space_Librarian wonderful. My staff are lamenting that we didn't go with Genie.
02:57 mtj i've been planning to suggest that the Koha project adopts it , as a JS formatting standard
02:59 mtj (as we currently dont use any JS formatting tool )
03:04 eythian it is terrifyingly bad.
03:05 eythian Space_Librarian: still confused about MARC are they?
03:06 Space_Librarian no, we have MARC down pat, and circ is working - it's more issues with the cart, and what is actually being sent to patrons, and terminology on the opac, etc, that is starting to become a serious issue.
03:06 eythian oh hey, should anybody need it, I have a script that cleans up an export from .eLM to the point where an XML parser can actually read it (which it can't do with what comes out by default.)
03:07 mtj eythian:  ISO-666 encoded
03:07 eythian Space_Librarian: they know they can see what gets actually sent to patrons by looking in the patron info, right?
03:07 Space_Librarian eythian - well done re: the .eLM stuff
03:07 Space_Librarian yes, but the patrons complain that they don't get confirmation emails for holds
03:07 Space_Librarian etc, etc, etc
03:08 Space_Librarian Oh, and confusion on carts
03:08 eythian mtj: a mix of MARC-8, ISO-8859-1, ISO-8859-15, and (I kid you not) VT100.
03:08 Space_Librarian sending us .isos from the cart.
03:08 Space_Librarian Yeah. Too much technology for these people
03:08 eythian we can very easily check to make sure emails are going out.
03:09 eythian ah right. Those formats are mostly aimed for citation manager software rather than humans.
03:09 Space_Librarian we can? Same with emails for books being issued and returned. I've switched it on, but it doesn't appear to be working.
03:10 eythian Space_Librarian: sure, give me a borrower number and/or email address and I can check in a couple of moments.
03:10 Space_Librarian And yeah, I know re: the emailing of carts, but there doesn't seem to be a way to put instructions into the cart thingy to tell them that
03:11 mtj eythian: wow,  impressively um.. eclectic
03:11 Space_Librarian mtj: that eLM system *is* eclectic
03:12 eythian also, all the UI is comic sans :)
03:12 eythian (although, that might be a library choice)
03:12 * Space_Librarian shudders
03:28 eythian[…]-rings-sucks.html
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06:10 MAPIT hello\
06:10 MAPIT I am new to KOHA...
06:11 MAPIT but successfully installed and configured koha and now i am on a verge of setting my system for customized usage...
06:11 MAPIT can you anyone please help me for that
06:11 MAPIT ???
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06:20 GCC hai
06:21 Guest6070 can any one tell where is the SA settings for Koha
06:21 eythian SA?
06:22 Guest6070 yah
06:22 eythian what's that?
06:22 wahanui somebody said that was failed qa
06:22 Guest6070 i need minim field for MARC entry
06:23 eythian use more words?
06:23 Guest6070 i need minimum entry fields how can i do that
06:23 Guest6070 for the MARC entry
06:24 eythian You probably want to create a framework
06:24 eythian and go through and hide all the fields that you don't want in that framework.
06:24 Guest6070 where is that option
06:25 eythian wahanui: manual
06:25 wahanui manual is at
06:25 eythian have a look through there for frameworks
06:25 Guest6070 okay tnx dear let me check
06:26 Guest6070 how can i hide the unwanted fields
06:26 Guest6070 ?
06:27 eythian http://manual.koha-community.o[…]marcbibframeworks <-- search for 'hidden' and it may help
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06:27 Guest6070 okay
06:28 Guest6070 so as your knowledge there we will not get any minim fields right >
06:28 eythian I don't really even know what that means. I assume what you're asking is how to cut back on the MARC fields so you don't have to see so many, right?
06:29 eythian hi cait
06:29 Guest6070 yah u r right
06:29 cait hey eythian
06:29 Guest6070 is any easy way for that
06:29 eythian OK. In that case, you need to go and hide the ones you don't want.
06:29 eythian not really at this stage.
06:30 Guest6070 okay fine
06:30 Guest6070 thank you so much
06:31 Guest6070 is there any way to get a copy of MARC data
06:31 Guest6070 in exportable format
06:31 Guest6070 ?
06:32 eythian yeah, in 3.6 there's an export function in the framework editor.
06:34 Guest6070 and in MARC am not able to find author name. where it is do u have any idea
06:34 eythian 100a
06:34 eythian @marc 100
06:34 huginn eythian: A personal name used as a main entry in a bibliographic record. [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,j,k,l,n,p,q,t,u,4,6,8]
06:35 Guest6070 okay tnx
06:44 Guest6070 are u there
06:44 Guest6070 ?
06:45 eythian someone probably is, this is IRC after all.
06:46 Guest6070 is any way to get a MARC file with settings
06:46 Guest6070 so that i can export it to mine
06:46 eythian Someone may have one, I don't.
06:47 eythian but also, pretty much everyone has different settings.
06:47 Guest6070 is it possible to download from some where
06:47 eythian I don't know of any, though it's something I'd like to see: it'd be useful.
06:48 Guest6070 okay in MARC field we are getting default settings
06:48 Guest6070 and there r options avilbale for creating new
06:48 Guest6070 also
06:49 Guest6070 while checking in documents its showing lot of types like books , CD, DVD ect..
06:49 Guest6070 is this things they created or it is available with koha
06:50 eythian There are some that typically are installed by default.
06:50 Guest6070 means if we need to create the complete settings for frame work?
06:50 eythian that's probably those.
06:50 eythian you could take one of those and modify it if you wanted.
06:51 Guest6070 i saw some in documents but in my koha only default is available
06:51 eythian oh, you get the option of installing them when Koha is set up for the first time. Short of manually loading them into the database, there's no way to add them after the fact.
06:51 Guest6070 is we ll get other option like books and all after the installation or is we need to create each and everything  ?
06:52 Guest6070 okayyy
06:52 Guest6070 finee
06:52 eythian they're mostly there for example purposes anyway. Typically you'd make your own.
06:52 eythian though they'd be a good place to start from.
06:57 Guest6070 okayzzz
06:58 Guest6070 okay i like to delete some fields from frame work for creating my own.. is there any problem for that ?
06:59 eythian I'd recommend hiding them rather than deleting them
06:59 eythian that way you can get them back easily
06:59 eythian and there are some that will cause problems if you delete them.
07:05 * eythian leaves work finally
07:05 cjh wow
07:05 cjh eythian: good effort.
07:06 eythian I have the migration script I've been working on finally getting about 90% of the stuff it's supposed to. That's good enough for a mallowpuff.
07:08 * cait waves
07:14 Guest6070 now am planning to export a demo frame work to Excel and planning to delete the items which i dont want and keep only the needed item and will import it back
07:14 Guest6070 what to u think abut this process
07:14 Guest6070 may i ?
07:16 Guest6070 are u there
07:16 Guest6070 eythin ?>
07:16 Guest6070 can u help me for getting some MARC codes for some entries
07:16 Guest6070 ??
07:17 mle eythian ++
07:17 Guest6070 hai
07:17 Guest6070 can anyone help me
07:18 Guest6070 can u help me for getting some MARC codes for some entries
07:18 Guest6070 ?
07:18 Guest6070 are u there?
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07:24 Guest6070 is any one there?
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07:39 alex_a bonjour
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07:45 reiveune hello
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07:48 Guest6070 hai
07:48 Guest6070 ]r u therer?
07:48 Guest6070 r u there?
07:55 paul_p good morning world
08:04 cait-m__ hi paul
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08:05 cait-m__ @wunder konstanz
08:05 huginn cait-m__: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 6.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.49 in 1032 hPa (Rising).
08:06 gaetan_B good morning!
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08:06 asaurat hi
08:06 wahanui bonjour, asaurat
08:07 cait-m__ @wunder marseille
08:07 huginn cait-m__: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 12.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
08:09 Guest6070 good morning
08:09 Guest6070 is anyone can help me for setting up koha
08:09 Guest6070 ??????
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08:10 Guest6081 kk
08:10 Guest6081 is anyone can help me for setup KOHA
08:13 mtj http://www.softwarequalityconn[…]s-or-a-rock-star/
08:13 mtj ... a good read :)
08:13 Guest6081 hi
08:14 Guest6081 can u give me a normal setting's for koha MARC
08:15 Guest6081 s anyone can help me for setup KOHA
08:16 Guest6081 are u there?
08:18 mle @wunder edinburgh
08:18 huginn mle: Error: No such location could be found.
08:18 mle lol
08:18 mtj Guest6081: just use the 'default' framework
08:18 rangi @wunder edinburgh,UK
08:18 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Trinity, Edinburgh, Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 7.4°C (8:18 AM GMT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.53 in 1033.7 hPa (Steady).
08:18 mle ty rangi
08:19 mtj Guest6081: ...  that contains the settings for a normal marc setup
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08:20 mle mtj can you check which font the logo is in pls?
08:20 mtj mle , i dont know
08:21 mtj the koha logo? i dont know...
08:21 mle just thought i woudl check again
08:21 mtj aiaik, no one remembers the original font
08:22 mtj but *your* font selection looks just about perfect :p
08:22 mle ty.  i really like the 'k' and the font matchers have not helped and I am not happy with the new fonts 'k' and my kludging has not yet produced a satisfying 'k'. ; )  I guess I should keep hunting for the right font or keep kludgin the 'k'. ; )
08:22 mle aww ty mtj
08:23 mle just unhappy with the way that the 'k' doesnae match
08:23 mtj congrats on a freakin sweet kohacon logo :)
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08:25 stuartyeates mle: if you like I can recommend some open source font packages so you can make your own font...
08:25 mtj mle, nahhh  - your font looks perfect to me
08:25 mtj stuartyeates: im curiious too, i dont know any :/
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08:26 kf hi #koha
08:26 mle stuartyeates font hacki8ng is fun, i am just using inkscape
08:26 mle hey kf
08:27 stuartyeates mle:
08:28 stuartyeates I've not use it in a very long time and then it was only to hack some macrons into a place I'd been told macrons couldn't go
08:29 ibeardslee oh er
08:29 mle nice one. (according to the reviews some folk prefer inkscapes abilities)
08:30 mle but most say it rocks
08:30 stuartyeates ibeardslee: surely you've known me long enough to know my macron fetish?
08:34 asaurat can someone confirm me that the AuthorisedValueImages system preference works ? I can't see the images on the OPAC detail pages (no xslt)
08:43 mtj classic stuff ->[…]ent-design-belief
08:44 kf asaurat: I think it maybe works only in a few places - perhaps grep and find where it's checked?
08:44 mtj the original article... and then the slashdot discussion  :)
08:46 mtj ... and topical to Koha too->[…]ramming-rock-star
08:47 asaurat kf: a grep shows that it's supposed to be used in opac-detail AND in opac-result (the sys pref text doesn't say that, but it seems better to me to do this in both pages)... but it seems broken, I can't see any image
08:50 mtj asaurat: what version ?
08:50 mtj 3.6 or master ?
08:51 asaurat master
08:58 mbalmer yay.  for the first time, I was able to pay fees at a commercial POS terminal.  scan the patron card, gets fees via SIP, sell more products, if wanted, pay, POS terminal sends the fee paid message and the OPAC shows the payment and no more fees.  aka:  it works!
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09:02 mtj wow, thats awesome mbalmer  :)
09:03 mtj asaurat:  a strange bug in master... my opac always loops to 'maintanance mode'?
09:03 mbalmer yes, it means that the arcapos POS solution is now SIP enabled and can be used with Koha.  e.g. when a library besides fee processing also sells small items etc.
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09:03 mtj but when i roll my repo back to 3.6.4... problem is solved :/
09:03 asaurat mtj: ?! I don't have this problem
09:04 asaurat any problem during your database update ?
09:04 mtj fyi: commit is a7f7aeb138b8275448937102cb7a46cf49530aef
09:04 mtj hmmm, i never got one, actually.. :/
09:05 mtj so, bit strange .. :/
09:05 asaurat a few fields were added if I remember well
09:10 mle mbalmer: neat
09:14 mbalmer I wonder if that is something that would be of interest for a mailing list.
09:14 mtj bah, sorry a recent apache mess-up borked my dev setup ?!? :/
09:25 mtj i had to drop a table for the upgrade to work
09:25 mtj drop 'pending_offline_operations'...
09:26 mtj so. on master  - with *no* icons defined for LOC auth_values
09:26 mtj (not sure if there are any supposed to be?)
09:34 mtj[…]pl?biblionumber=1
09:34 mtj lost status display an image, but location does not
09:35 mtj so... syspref partially  works :)
09:35 kf asaurat: could the problem be tt conversion?
09:36 kf asaurat: meaning a problemin the template with a wrong suffix - I don't think the feature is widely used.
09:36 asaurat ok, I see there's also a pb with the french translation of the syspref (Display and Not display being inverted....)
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09:36 asaurat but shouldn't also the syspref display ccode icons ?
09:38 asaurat kf: the template looks ok to me but I'm not sure to understand what you mean
09:39 asaurat but some variables are used in the tt and not defined in the pl ...
09:45 mtj yep, should display icons :/
09:48 mtj and a bug? ->[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7579
09:48 huginn Bug 7579: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Icons for authorized values/item types not showing in OPAC
09:51 mtj hmm, says its pushed to master... but isnt?!?
09:51 asaurat that's pushed to master :/
09:52 mtj oooh, history ->[…]ivity.cgi?id=7579
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09:52 mtj paul.poulain@biblibre.com2012-02-27 17:32:31 UTC Status Passed QA Pushed to Master
09:52 mtj but it doesnt seem pushed ? :/
09:53 asaurat it is, I see the modified code
09:54 kf hm
09:54 kf do you have errors in the logs?
09:54 kf because if that patch created a wrong file path, it should complain
09:55 mtj ok.. but the commit is changed from the original patch ?i guess?... :/
09:55 mtj accepted patch was this one ->[…]hment.cgi?id=7815
09:55 mtj From 9cf8fc3e084e88864b119dbda990fa6b2467aa2a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
09:56 asaurat hmm I deactivted the XSLT preferences but I'm not sure it worked well, looks like there's still some xsl in there...
09:56 kf ?
09:57 mtj see...  this fails ->[…]da990fa6b2467aa2a
09:59 mtj oops, ok, the patch *was*  applied... :p
09:59 kf asaurat: no errors in the logs for not finding the image?
09:59 kf asaurat: can you give me a link to one of the template files using it?
10:01 mtj with a different commit id :) ?!? ->[…]b2c85cf5da0ad1d65
10:01 asaurat koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/
10:02 mtj i guess paul/julian change the commit id when they accept/qa it... ?
10:06 asaurat arrrrrrrrrh my syspref about OPACXSLTDetailsDisplay is badly translated and was Activated when I asked it to be disabled
10:07 asaurat I'm checking everything again
10:10 asaurat soooooooooooo
10:10 asaurat the ccode image appears correctly on the detail page, but not on the result page
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10:13 asaurat it should appear on the result page too, so I'll create a bug for this I think
10:13 asaurat does it seem right ?
10:14 mtj yep, log a bug
10:14 asaurat ok
10:15 mtj my location-code image wont show, on master and 3.6.4 , too
10:16 mtj but, my lost-status image does :)
10:17 asaurat did you test the detail page ? result page ? both ?
10:17 asaurat I only checked ccode but not location
10:22 mtj bah ,  'location'  auth_value takes an image in sys-pref - yet has no code in opac-detail to display image :/
10:22 asaurat ok
10:23 mtj ok, thats a newbie mistake :) lets both remember that one... next time :)
10:24 mtj so, only *some* authcodes have working code to display images
10:25 mtj 'images for authorized values (such as lost statuses and locations) in search results and item detail pages on the OPAC. '
10:25 mtj i assumed '(such as lost statuses and locations)'  == 'LOC' authcodes - but nope :)
10:26 mtj but, like i said , 'LOST' authcodes has working code to displays images in OPAC
10:30 mtj theres not <img> code for CCODE authvalues too
10:31 mtj so, its a 'feature-enhancement' , not an actual bug ;)
10:32 asaurat yeah, well, also ;)
10:32 asaurat I just tested the loc and lost
10:32 asaurat I can file the bug now
10:32 asaurat the enhancement I mean =)
10:32 asaurat whatever :D
10:36 mtj its a nice missing feature, i can see many librarians wanting to match their book-spine CC icons to their OPAC, etc...
10:40 asaurat actually it appears in detail page and is missing in result page
10:40 asaurat I'll have everything in the same bug, it's all related to AuthorisedValueImages
10:52 slef hi all
10:53 slef on my way to edinburgh to discuss kohacon12+more with mle and mjk
10:56 kf asaurat: sorry, was talking to a coworker - we are migrating acquisiton data... no fun
10:56 kf and now lunch :)
10:57 asaurat bon appétit :)
10:57 kf_lunch asaurat: your translation problem can perhaps be solved on pootle :)
10:58 asaurat it seems ok the the KTP page...
10:59 asaurat *on the
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11:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7001' <[…]fc274d8dd72ebb72b> / Bug 7167: Followup: FIX conflicts with Bug 5347 <[…]0ea1f0b7e09f48e90> / bug_7001: protected are only all libraries letters <[…]oha.git;a=commitd
11:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #653 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 5 j 19 h ago)
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12:04 tcohen hi #koha
12:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #653: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/653/
12:11 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 7001 follow-up fixing POD mistake
12:11 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_7001: protected are only all libraries letters
12:11 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7167: Followup: FIX conflicts with Bug 5347
12:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips
12:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements
12:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, late order management
12:13 jcamins_away paul_p: what about adding a test to see if Zebra's working, and, if it is not, skipping the tests that depend on it in the Linker?
12:14 jcamins_away Is that a dumb idea?
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12:15 * jcamins_away leaves, having shared that thought... back in a few hours.
12:17 tcohen is there a proper way to handle donations in koha?
12:24 kf there is no special donation workflow
12:24 kf I think I would use a vendor "Donation" and treat them as orders
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12:24 kf or use some field in cataloging when not using acq
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12:30 oleonard Hi #koha
12:49 paul_p jcamins_away I don't think it's a dumb idea (to skip zebra related tests if zebra is not running)
12:51 mbalmer paul_p, is it foreseen to have a SIP working group during the hackfest?
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12:51 paul_p mbalmer we will work on whatever ppl want to work on , so it could, of course (and we have some intellident hardware)
12:52 mbalmer I am getting more and more interested in SIP, for obvious reasons..
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12:56 mbalmer it's amazing to pay fees using an integrated credit card terminal without the need to type in the amount..
13:01 mbalmer when I change my address in the opac, where do I confirm that changes in the staff client?
13:03 tcohen thanks kf
13:03 mbalmer hmm, Koha sends some fields that are not in the SIP standard, or maybe there is a newer version?  anyone has the latest SIP specs?
13:07 oleonard mbalmer: When a patron submits an update through the opac the Koha admin is sent an email with the new information
13:07 slef mbalmer: yes but not with me. search for sip3
13:08 oleonard mbalmer: There's not an interface to automatically apply the changes
13:08 mbalmer tnx, to both
13:08 oleonard (but there should be!)
13:08 mbalmer aha, our SIP server already has some non-standard extensions
13:11 slef mbalmer: I think there are some changes to payments in sip3, probably to standardise those extensions. ask me tomorrow
13:11 mbalmer ok.
13:12 mbalmer I already got payment working, but not yet the fee details.  maybe that's in sip3, that would be great
13:13 slef mbalmer: or email me, citing [SC #2364]
13:16 mbalmer just did, tnx!
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14:18 * wizzyrea waves
14:19 * oleonard wonders why he thought tinkering with would be fun
14:19 wizzyrea :/
14:20 oleonard Actually I didn't, but Bug 7703.
14:20 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7703 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Don't block bulk hold action on search results if some items can't be placed on hold
14:27 wizzyrea ok, because I've not done it before with packages
14:27 wizzyrea i'm trying to upgrade a package install, and it keeps telling me "koha-common has been kept back"
14:27 wizzyrea any thoughts as to why?
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14:32 JesseM Hello ByWater peeps
14:33 JesseM Koha Peeps  :P
14:38 slef wizzyrea: press ! for an explanation if you're using aptitude
14:38 slef wizzyrea: I think
14:38 wizzyrea oo, tricky
14:38 wizzyrea thanks :)
14:38 slef wizzyrea: or I think some of the apt tools have "apt-get why koha-common" or something
14:39 slef wizzyrea: don't know what you're using... if you tell me, I'll see if anyone here knows :)
14:40 wizzyrea well, I think I figured it out - apt-get install koha-common told me "libmodern-perl-perl is required, but not installable
14:40 wizzyrea so, that rather explains it :)
14:55 jcamins Good morning, #koha.
14:55 * paul_p enjoy pushing... well sometimes it's not really a big joy, but today it is ;-)
14:55 kf yep, nice things
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15:01 wizzyrea kf 7001 conflict getting resolved ok?
15:01 jcamins wizzyrea: did you figure out the upgrade?
15:01 wizzyrea well now I have to wait until noon to do it :P
15:01 wizzyrea because they are open.
15:01 wizzyrea but yes, I think so
15:01 kf wizzyrea: sorry, can't test now - will try later
15:02 jcamins paul_p: ooh, good thing you remembered to change the version on 7587. I hadn't thought about the fact that if it were marked as critical, it would get cherry-picked into 3.6.
15:02 kf jcamins: would not changing the version be enough without changing priority?
15:02 kf and not setting 3.6 but leaving it as 3.8
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15:03 jcamins kf: probably, but I had it set to master and not 3.8.
15:03 paul_p wizzyrea you're running master live ?
15:04 wizzyrea for nexpress?
15:04 wizzyrea we are running 3.6.0 currently
15:05 wizzyrea soon to upgrade to 3.6.4
15:05 wizzyrea the package people are running 3.5.11
15:05 wizzyrea my dev server runs master, updated today
15:07 kf horizon--
15:09 kf paul_p: have you seen my note on 929? the feature is already in 3.6-so if we consider it a bug it should be 3.6
15:10 kf paul_p: not sure I get how the version setting works right now
15:10 paul_p kf chris_n is sometimes a little bit enthusiast when he pickup ENH from master to 3.6 ;-)
15:10 kf well I am very glad he picked this up
15:11 paul_p (not sure I get it too ;-) )
15:11 kf because we have a very happy library now
15:16 * chris_n thinks a) he is fairly conservative when picking up enh and b) much of what are marked enh are, in reality, bugs
15:17 chris_n in the case of 929, I decided that comments to this effect: "This functionality should be brought back...." meant it was a regression and as such should, indeed, be "brought back"
15:18 kf chris_n: it was gone for a long time - but I agree :)
15:24 kf t
15:24 kf oh wow
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15:25 * wizzyrea ponders.
15:28 * chris_n waits for his head to stop spinning
15:29 mbalmer did the IRC server just reset?
15:30 chris_n netsplit iirc
15:30 mbalmer tsk, tsk..
15:35 maximep really not many netsplits on oftc... but not many different servers it seems
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16:07 jcamins kf: Help! What does "Sie habne keine Kataloge ausgewaehlt" mean?
16:07 mbalmer "You did not select any catalogues"
16:07 asaurat genau =)
16:07 jcamins mbalmer: thanks.
16:07 mbalmer <- native german speaker, but also english, french, C, Lua, and now Perl
16:08 mbalmer np.
16:08 asaurat mbalmer: what do you do with Lua ?
16:08 mbalmer A terrible lot.  Backoffice and scripting of our products.
16:09 mbalmer I organized the Lua Workshop 2011
16:09 asaurat oh ? nice =)
16:09 asaurat I think I'll try it soon
16:09 mbalmer It is very useful when you write software in C that you want to make scriptable.
16:10 mbalmer so you access from Lua scripts functionality that has been implemented in C.  That's what I use it for mostly.
16:10 mbalmer Interfaces to the GUI, Database, SIP etc, etc.
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16:11 mbalmer if you want, I can show a bit in Marseill
16:11 mbalmer e
16:11 kf jcamins: you have selected no catalogs
16:11 kf oh
16:11 kf I am too late :)
16:11 jcamins kf: that's okay. Thanks.
16:12 mbalmer kf, anyways, welcome to the party ;)
16:12 kf your translation was better anyway :)
16:15 mbalmer AFthanks|
16:16 kf speaking sip?
16:16 mbalmer ;)
16:16 mbalmer I am sip-ified
16:19 hdl i can't get no....
16:19 hdl sip i faction
16:19 kf lol
16:20 * kf can hear the song
16:21 kf mbalmer: have you booked your flights to scotland?
16:21 mbalmer "me sip you long time…"
16:21 mbalmer kf, not yet but there are ideal flights from BSL with EasyJet
16:21 kf ah
16:21 kf from zürich you go via london
16:21 kf or amsterdam
16:22 mbalmer BSL is direct, but no flight back on tuesday, so I leave monday
16:22 mbalmer I thought there were also direct flights from ZRH?
16:22 mbalmer I'll have to ask vera, she managed my travels
16:22 kf perhaps not the cheap flights then :)
16:23 mbalmer yes, there was quite a difference
16:23 mbalmer like 600 vs 300 bucks
16:23 kf for nonstop?
16:23 mbalmer yes, iirc
16:24 kf from here to basel by train 3 hours changing trains lots...
16:24 mbalmer wanted to coordinate my travel with my colleagues anyways.
16:24 kf so zürich it is
16:25 mbalmer I prefer ZRH over BSL, but when it makes a 300 difference, I take BSL.
16:25 kf ah, I thought it was much closer to you anyway
16:25 mbalmer I live basically between BSL and ZRH, next airfield is LSZI (5 mins. away)
16:25 kf lszi?
16:25 mbalmer a small airfield.
16:26 mbalmer only for small planes and gliders.
16:26 mbalmer hobby pilots
16:26 mbalmer no A320 ;)
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16:27 jcamins mbalmer: you should fly your own plane from LSZI to EDI. :)
16:27 mbalmer yes, indeed ;)
16:28 mbalmer
16:30 jcamins kf: go home!
16:32 wizzyrea in the notices, why have a "do not notify"
16:33 wizzyrea if it's unchecked, doesn't that mean "do not notify"
16:33 kf jcamins: researching for scotland - can I stay a bit longer? ;)
16:33 jcamins kf: hmmm.
16:33 kf wizzyrea: perhaps used to be radio buttons?
16:33 kf not sure
16:33 jcamins kf: A few minutes.
16:34 kf jcamins: you only want to play scrabble with me!
16:34 jcamins kf: I'm busy cataloging surrogates. :P
16:35 kf ?
16:35 jcamins kf: pictures of books.
16:38 wizzyrea also I think there is a problem with items.content in 3rd overdue notices.
16:38 wizzyrea does anyone know if that is fixe?
16:38 wizzyrea fixed?
16:39 wizzyrea I saw a bug report + patch but wasn't sure if it was the one
16:39 wizzyrea[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292
16:39 kf hm
16:39 huginn Bug 6292: critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist
16:39 kf wizzyrea: what is the problem?
16:39 wahanui the problem is its human beings doing it
16:39 kf 1st 2nd and 3rd should basically doing the ame
16:39 wizzyrea kind of like this but not, because in my case (on 3.6.0) we're not getting items.content at all
16:39 kf but they work different now
16:39 wizzyrea yea, it's kind of moot
16:40 wizzyrea since notices is getting redone.
16:40 kf hm is it?
16:40 jcamins Bug 6292 is unrelated to the contents.
16:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist
16:40 kf wizzyrea: I am not aware of someone workingon overdues
16:40 reiveune bye
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16:40 wizzyrea 7001 touches overdue notices
16:40 kf oh
16:40 kf will have to check then
16:41 wizzyrea but this is not with that
16:41 * jcamins goes to eat some lunch.
16:41 wizzyrea this is with 3.6.0
16:41 kf can you still make different notices for different patrons?
16:41 wizzyrea yep
16:41 kf good .)
16:41 wizzyrea and different branches and different patrons.
16:41 wizzyrea that part pretty much works the same.
16:41 kf cool
16:41 kf you could use <item> syntax instead
16:41 kf as a workaround
16:42 kf not sure why 3rd should be different as the other 2?
16:42 wizzyrea it's weird because it works in the other 2
16:43 wizzyrea idk why it wouldn't. Maybe delete the notice and re-save it.
16:44 kf typo?
16:44 wizzyrea no, I checked that
16:44 kf hm
16:44 kf copy over 2nd into 3rd... for a test?
16:46 wizzyrea hm
16:47 wizzyrea they just changed the wording.
16:47 wizzyrea one thing that would be cool
16:47 wizzyrea would be to add a <<>> field
16:47 wizzyrea to notices.
16:47 kf yep
16:47 kf totally
16:47 kf enh? :)
16:47 wizzyrea hehe yea
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16:52 wizzyrea bug 7707
16:52 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7707 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Add fines placeholders in notices to display fine information on notices
16:53 kf wizzyrea: you can do per item fines
16:53 kf you only have to use the <item> </item> syntax with fine
16:53 wizzyrea hm
16:54 kf what we can't do is a total
16:54 wizzyrea i'm going to see if this is improved in our update we are getting at the end of this month
16:54 kf was there since 3.2.2 :)
16:54 kf <item><<biblio.title>>, Signatur: <<items.itemcallnumber>>, Barcode: <<items.barcode>>, Mahngebühr: <fine>EUR</fine></item>
16:55 kf you have to use USD (iso currency code) for the right formatting
16:56 kf it has to be 1 line
16:56 kf no line breaks
16:57 kf but it's quite nice and it does not require to change the cronjob everytime you want different fields
16:57 wizzyrea but that's only 1 item?
16:57 wizzyrea or is that all of them
16:57 kf no :)
16:57 kf it lists
16:57 wizzyrea well sheesh, I'll just add that to it then.
16:57 kf like <<items.content>> would, only different syntax
16:58 wizzyrea kf++
16:58 kf like I said before.. I spend a lot of times in fines and notices...
16:58 kf more time than I ever intended to
17:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5341: Moves the "save" button to the top of the serial receiving <[…]659d099245c2e64ba> / Bug 3216: UNIMARC author facets <[…]9a8ccbd9403ccd4aa> / Bug 7698: Add CHR/ICU Zebra tokenization choice to installation <
17:11 kf jcamins: I will leave now ;)
17:12 jcamins Good idea!
17:12 kf bye all :)
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17:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #654 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 6 j 0 h ago)
17:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7661' <[…]88ad9f167844521b4> / bug 7661: Moving C4::tests to unit tests <[…]c639ca8f909d931c9> / Bug 5341: Moves the "save" button to the top of the serial receiving <
17:22 gaetan_B bye!
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17:41 * cait waves
17:41 sekjal hi, cait!
17:41 cait hi sekjal :)
17:44 jcamins Hi cait and sekjal.
17:45 cait hi jcamins :)
17:45 sekjal hi, jcamins
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18:26 mle kohacon12 request for those interested in fishing to let me know.[…]ary#Social_Events
18:27 jcamins @later tell rhcl They're looking into scheduling a fishing trip for KohaCon12:[…]ary#Social_Events
18:27 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
18:27 mle ty
18:27 cait :)
18:29 jcamins You know, it's much more affordable to live in a city like Edinburgh than to visit for a week.
18:30 mle it is unfortunate that i am movign flat (to something more affordable) since we have two huge spare rooms in this flat : /
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18:31 * jcamins is still hoping that the fairs drop randomly.
18:32 datadoctor the chances are fair to middlin' :^)
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18:36 * mle makes votive offerings to the god of travel fares in the hope that jcamins and other kohacon12 attendees experience beneficial prices fluctations
18:36 jcamins :)
18:37 cait mle++
18:41 data_doctor @wunderground Edinburgh
18:41 huginn data_doctor: I've exhausted my database of quotes
18:41 cait @wunder Edinburgh
18:41 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found.
18:41 cait @wunder EDI
18:41 huginn cait: The current temperature in Dalgety Bay, United Kingdom is 8.9°C (6:30 PM GMT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.47 in 1031.7 hPa (Steady).
18:41 cait @wunder Konstanz
18:41 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.0°C (7:39 PM CET on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.41 in 1029.7 hPa (Steady).
18:41 data_doctor Oops! There we go - 48 degrees in Edinburgh...
18:42 data_doctor Should be even nicer by the time KohaCon rolls around.
18:42 rangi @wunder nzwn
18:42 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on March 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady).
18:43 jcamins @wunder EDI
18:43 JesseM @wunder 10001
18:43 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Dalgety Bay, United Kingdom is 8.9°C (6:30 PM GMT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.47 in 1031.7 hPa (Steady).
18:43 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
18:43 huginn JesseM: The current temperature in Hunter College, Upper East Side, New York, New York is 21.7°C (2:43 PM EDT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.31 in 992.4 hPa (Steady).
18:43 jcamins @wunder EH12NY
18:43 huginn jcamins: Error: No such location could be found.
18:43 data_doctor @wunder 44240
18:43 jcamins Errr... just go ahead and ignore me, huginn.
18:43 huginn data_doctor: The current temperature in Kent State Geography, Kent, Ohio is 18.2°C (2:42 PM EDT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady).
18:43 jcamins Wow, that was odd.
18:43 data_doctor wild weather all of a sudden! :^)
18:43 rangi @wunder edinburgh,UK
18:43 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Trinity, Edinburgh, Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 8.8°C (6:43 PM GMT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.49 in 1032.4 hPa (Steady).
18:45 collum @wunder 41017
18:45 huginn collum: The current temperature in Van Aachen, Erlanger, Kentucky is 21.7°C (2:45 PM EDT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady).
18:47 wizzyrea oh, check our weather
18:47 wizzyrea @wunder 66049
18:47 cait nice
18:47 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Near Free State High, Lawrence, Kansas is 27.3°C (1:46 PM CDT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 28.88 in 977.9 hPa (Steady).
18:47 wizzyrea 27!
18:47 rangi hot!
18:47 wizzyrea twenty effin seven.
18:48 collum You win.  :-)
18:48 wizzyrea it really is borderline hot out there.
18:48 collum It's too early for Spring allergies.
18:50 wizzyrea all of our trees are blooming
18:55 bag wow 27!
18:55 bag @wunder 93109
18:55 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 14.2°C (11:54 AM PDT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Falling).
18:58 jcamins Okay, time to head back to see what the contractors are up to.
18:59 jcamins_away Bye.
18:59 wizzyrea gl
18:59 * wizzyrea flexes at bag
19:00 bag 27 is way to hot..  sorry I've still got the biggest weather muscles in the room!
19:04 talljoy @wunder 76109
19:04 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in BRIT Living Roof, Fort Worth, Texas is 24.2°C (1:59 PM CDT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Falling).
19:04 sekjal @wunder 01003
19:04 huginn sekjal: The current temperature in Computer Science Bldg - University of Massachusetts, Amherst, Massachusetts is 21.1°C (3:00 PM EDT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Steady).
19:05 talljoy nice address.  lol
19:05 talljoy it that the inside temperature?
19:05 sekjal perhaps there...
19:05 wahanui it has been said that perhaps there is a syspref for that - let me check (being able to return at other branches)
19:06 sekjal 25.5 inside my office
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19:08 bag oh sekjal that's too hot
19:08 sekjal well, if they'd turn the heat off, it wouldn't be so bad
19:08 sekjal but, apparently, they can't
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19:12 xekhz hello
19:12 xekhz ppl
19:12 xekhz can anyone help me
19:12 xekhz in koha ?
19:13 wizzyrea @quote search ask
19:13 huginn wizzyrea: 8 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are...", #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking...", and #4: "< (1 more message)
19:13 wizzyrea @quote get 145
19:13 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
19:13 wizzyrea :)
19:13 xekhz ok doki
19:13 xekhz got the message
19:13 xekhz i did not want to be unpolite
19:13 wizzyrea (seriously, go ahead :))
19:13 xekhz im using koha, 3.6 in debian squeeze, im new to koha
19:14 xekhz not to debian.
19:14 xekhz and when the library started addind "fields" in the framework
19:14 xekhz zebra start sending me a error
19:14 xekhz i will copy it
19:14 wizzyrea
19:14 wizzyrea to make that easier for ya
19:14 xekhz ok
19:16 pastebot "xekhz" at pasted "koha trying to rebuil zebra" (24 lines) at
19:16 xekhz thats me
19:16 wizzyrea :) yep
19:17 sekjal ah
19:17 sekjal I think I see the problem
19:17 sekjal you've got your biblionumber and biblioitemnumber remapped
19:17 wizzyrea ooo yea
19:17 sekjal they need to stay in 999$c and 999$d, respectively
19:17 xekhz talking chinese know for me
19:17 xekhz now... not know
19:18 sekjal when the library started adding and editing the frameworks, they changed where Koha looked for the key number for each record
19:18 sekjal Zebra only knows to look in MARC field 999, subfields c and d
19:19 sekjal but they've got biblionumber mapped to 001 and biblioitemnumber to 090 subfield a
19:19 xekhz how can i correct it ?
19:20 sekjal easiest way is probably to reload the MARC frameworks
19:20 sekjal though, depending on how much customization the library has done, they may not care for that too much
19:21 xekhz we only deleted and added some fields in the framework
19:21 xekhz in the default on
19:21 xekhz unimarc
19:22 wizzyrea did you delete the 999$c and 999$d?
19:22 wizzyrea re-adding them might fix it
19:22 xekhz will try it now
19:23 wizzyrea sekjal - numbering is the same in unimarc?
19:23 wizzyrea for biblionumber and biblioitemnumber?
19:23 * wizzyrea doesn't know
19:24 xekhz im addinc 999 -> $c
19:24 xekhz nops
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19:25 sekjal huh
19:25 xekhz MARC subfield structure admin for 999 (framework MON)
19:25 sekjal I'm wrong
19:25 xekhz i added this
19:25 sekjal 001$@ and 090$a ARE correct for UNIMARC
19:25 * sekjal plays the UNIMARC fool
19:26 xekhz can it be
19:26 xekhz that i added
19:26 xekhz the 200$d field
19:26 xekhz and dont have it in the record.abs ?
19:27 xekhz someon is knocking on my door
19:27 xekhz 5 minutes
19:27 wizzyrea sekjal - maybe more to do with the db do with the incorrect time zone?
19:27 sekjal I'm afraid this one may beyond me; I don't know much at all about UNIMARC Zebra configs
19:28 wizzyrea or is that normal?
19:28 sekjal not sure
19:28 sekjal it got 3 records out
19:28 wizzyrea yea, that seemed odd to me as well --it's not working but... it's working?
19:29 wizzyrea maybe they changed the koha->marc mappings/
19:29 wizzyrea ?
19:33 sekjal or perhaps they're using UNIMARC records, but Zebra is set up for MARC21?
19:33 wizzyrea could be - maybe they didn't tell it unimarc during setup
19:34 wizzyrea it does default to marc21
19:34 sekjal that would lead to matching fields not being found
19:43 nengard on the item's circ history what table is the last borrower info coming from?  is it just looking at old_issues? or is it stored elsewhere?
19:48 sekjal nengard:  yes, from old_issues
19:48 sekjal see C4/ line 1310 or so
19:48 sekjal the GetItemsInfo subroutine
19:48 nengard thanks sekjal
19:49 nengard can anyone give me the sql to grab the last borrower of an item?
19:50 sekjal just need to ORDER BY returndate LIMIT 1
19:59 nengard sekjal not if i wanted a report of a bunch of last borrowers ? right?
20:00 sekjal no, not in that case
20:03 sekjal perhaps a WHERE returndate = max(returndate) clause would help (unless multiple people returned the same book in the same day)
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20:23 nengard sekjal ^^
20:24 sekjal nengard:  is it failing, or just not returning what you expect?
20:24 nengard failing - see the error in the paste
20:24 nengard ERROR 1111 (HY000): Invalid use of group function
20:25 nengard is this a case for HAVING instead of where?
20:25 sekjal perhaps...
20:26 sekjal I think you'd also benefit from just JOINing on old_issues and borrowers, instead of left joining
20:28 nengard select p.surname, p.firstname,, b.title,, i.itemcallnumber, i.barcode, c.issuedate, c.returndate as 'marked lost' from biblio b left join items i using (biblionumber) join old_issues c using (itemnumber) left join borrowers p using (borrowernumber) having c.returndate = max(c.returndate) and i.itemlost=2;
20:28 nengard hmm
20:28 nengard now it says  Unknown column 'i.itemlost' in 'having clause'
20:28 nengard but that's the field ?
20:31 sekjal nengard:  you don't actually have a GROUP BY statement in there....
20:32 sekjal I think MySQL is carping because max() expects one
20:32 nengard even with a group by it says it doesn't know i.itemlost
20:33 sekjal move i.itemlost =2 back to WHERE
20:33 sekjal HAVING is best used for aggregate functions
20:39 nengard k sekjal - i think i have it working
20:39 nengard thanks!
20:39 sekjal welcome
20:54 xekhz im back
20:54 xekhz i read all of the posts
20:54 xekhz i selected
20:54 xekhz unimarc during install
20:55 wizzyrea during make install? or the web installer?
20:55 xekhz and the the zebra only started failling when a field was inserted
20:55 xekhz webinstall
20:55 sekjal have a good night, #koha!
20:55 wizzyrea bye sek
20:55 wizzyrea oh bother.
20:55 jcamins_away Hehe.
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20:56 xekhz can ....unimarc/record.abs has something to do with the error
20:56 xekhz »???
20:57 jcamins_away xekhz: unfortunately, I don't think there are any UNIMARCers around.
20:57 xekhz :)
20:57 xekhz maybe
20:58 jcamins_away xekhz: however, I can tell you if you're getting that message without modifying record.abs, you probably did something wrong with the MARC frameworks.
20:58 jcamins_away If you modified the Zebra config files manually, you need to undo whatever you did.
20:59 xekhz i did not touch any config files for zebra
21:00 xekhz im going to install everything again
21:00 xekhz i made a backup of my framework
21:00 jcamins_away Okay, there are a few options: you modified the MARC framework after creating the record, you imported a record directly into the database, or you have a record which is too large.
21:00 jcamins_away If it's the last one, adding a -x will fix it.
21:01 xekhz im re-installing...
21:01 xekhz 5 minutes :)
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21:06 lodac Koha = Good stuff.! Thanks!
21:06 wizzyrea hello, thanks :)
21:06 xekhz i hired a service in portugal
21:06 xekhz and they did not get it up and running so im am here
21:06 wizzyrea oh, um... xercode?
21:07 xekhz i have know a ner
21:07 xekhz nwe
21:08 xekhz new, koha install with the default data for the unimarc
21:08 xekhz i will now import my backedup framework and rebuild zebra
21:08 xekhz should this work ?
21:08 wizzyrea well you should see if it works with the default first
21:08 wizzyrea and what i would do
21:08 xekhz yes it works
21:08 wizzyrea would not modify your default
21:08 xekhz with the default
21:08 wizzyrea copy it, and edit your copy
21:09 wizzyrea so, make a new framework, and import over that new framework
21:09 wizzyrea not over default.
21:09 xekhz ok
21:09 wizzyrea then, add records using that new framework
21:09 wizzyrea if it doesn't work, then you know you've done something to your framework
21:10 wizzyrea and if you tell us exactly what you're doing, maybe we can help you avoid the problem
21:10 xekhz oki
21:10 xekhz im importing old framework
21:10 xekhz and left the default one intact
21:10 xekhz ok, done importing
21:11 xekhz i have mow the MONO, and the DEFAULT Framework
21:11 xekhz i rebuild zebra and it is ok
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21:11 xekhz should i had a record ?
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21:15 xekhz i added a record, rebuild zebra and got this
21:15 xekhz ====================
21:15 xekhz REINDEXING zebra
21:15 xekhz ====================
21:15 xekhz 21:13:21-13/03 zebraidx(29857) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
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21:15 xekhz same thing
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21:17 wizzyrea well you have to have a record otherwise there's nothing to index
21:17 wizzyrea does your book use mono or default as its framework?
21:17 wizzyrea record*
21:18 xekhz i used mono
21:18 wizzyrea ok, then try this
21:18 wizzyrea edit your record,
21:19 wizzyrea set the framework to default
21:19 wizzyrea it should index
21:19 wizzyrea if it *doesn't* then you have a bigger problem
21:19 xekhz how can i find my record ?
21:20 wizzyrea well, you can go into reports -> create from sql
21:20 wizzyrea select biblionumber from biblio
21:20 wizzyrea that will give you all of the biblionumbers
21:20 wizzyrea currently in your db (you only have 1, I assume?)
21:21 rangi back
21:21 wizzyrea wb
21:21 xekhz yes
21:22 wizzyrea you can then /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/deta​
21:22 wizzyrea your domain name in front of course
21:22 xekhz 21:20:50-13/03 zebraidx(29985) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
21:22 xekhz same error
21:22 wizzyrea did you use packages to install?
21:22 xekhz yes
21:23 wizzyrea rangi do you know of any bugs with unimarc and packages?
21:23 wizzyrea specifically with the frameworks?
21:23 xekhz 3.6.4-1
21:23 xekhz no i dont know any problems
21:23 xekhz i will install again and insert the book in the defaulr
21:23 xekhz framework
21:23 wizzyrea naw I was asking the people who might know
21:23 xekhz and reindex zebra...
21:26 rangi wizzyrea: dunno if anyone has tried, but it's possible there might be, however that part is all done with the webinstaller .. so I dont think it would be package specific
21:26 rangi you are using koha-common
21:27 rangi and then calling koha-create eh?
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21:39 sturmtruppen hi #koha
21:40 rangi ohh i like bug 7709
21:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7709 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Cover Images Template plugin
21:43 xekhz ??
21:43 xekhz no im using debian
21:44 rangi yes
21:44 xekhz and i have a package called koha that does the confids
21:44 rangi the koha-common package?
21:44 xekhz configs
21:44 rangi ahhh
21:44 rangi dont use that
21:44 xekhz koha and koha-common
21:44 xekhz 2 packages
21:44 rangi just use koha-common
21:44 xekhz there is adoubt in my mind
21:44 xekhz cuase
21:44 rangi the koha pacakge is a work in progress, not ready for production yet
21:45 xekhz cause the error only appears when i add fields to the framework
21:45 rangi koha-common works fine, if you use the instructions which i will just find for you
21:45 xekhz ok
21:45 rangi but if the rest of it is working ok, only when you change the framework that it breaks, it might not be caused by the package
21:46 rangi hmm i cant get to the wiki
21:46 rangi debian packages?
21:46 wahanui debian packages are at
21:46 xekhz yes
21:46 rangi trying to find the url of the instructions
21:47 rangi koha is similar, but provides a single site. At the moment however, this site can't be managed by the tools that come with the package, and so you will need to set up the cron jobs and zebra for it yourself. See bug 5071 for plans to fix this. It is not recommend that you use this package yet.
21:47 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5071 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Make the 'koha' package set things up so that zebra etc. just work
21:47 rangi
21:49 xekhz ok
21:49 xekhz i have already follow that guide
21:50 mbalmer so SIP is working 1A and I get to zzz
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21:53 xekhz well, something
21:53 xekhz must be busted
21:53 xekhz i reintalled it
21:53 xekhz and inserted the record in the default framework
21:54 xekhz got same error
21:54 xekhz 21:52:08-13/03 zebraidx(31179) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)
21:54 xekhz
21:54 jcamins_away xekhz: if you used the koha package, that's why. You need to use koha-common.
21:54 xekhz just the koha-common ?
21:55 jcamins_away xekhz: and then follow the instructions for using koha-create, etc.
21:55 xekhz ok
21:55 xekhz did not see the koha-create
21:56 xekhz is koha-create a command ?
21:56 jcamins_away Yes it is.
21:57 xekhz ok
21:58 jcamins_away xekhz: I think rangi gave you a link with instructions.
21:58 xekhz im following it now
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22:06 xekhz ok
22:06 xekhz run koha-create
22:06 xekhz made the apache stuf
22:07 xekhz now using the webinstaller
22:07 xekhz correct ?
22:07 rangi yup
22:07 xekhz on it
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22:08 xekhz sample_patrons.sql
22:08 xekhz ERROR 1452 (23000) at line 1: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha_portel`.`borrowers`, CONSTRAINT `borrowers_ibfk_2` FOREIGN KEY (`branchcode`) REFERENCES `branches` (`branchcode`))
22:08 xekhz on webinstall
22:08 xekhz but i can proceed
22:09 cait koha_portel?
22:10 xekhz yup
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22:10 xekhz portel is the name of my townhall
22:11 mbalmer re
22:14 xekhz what should i do now ?
22:14 xekhz inser a record
22:16 xekhz item added
22:18 xekhz i have added the record
22:19 xekhz and it is already displayed
22:19 xekhz in the OPAC
22:19 xekhz is zebra always running ?
22:19 sturmtruppen yup
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22:22 xekhz i am now importing the framework made by the libraryan
22:23 xekhz how long does it take to appear in the OPCA ?
22:24 sturmtruppen all the items?
22:24 xekhz i just inserted a record
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22:25 xekhz i think the zebra fucks up with my framework
22:25 sturmtruppen you have to recompile the index
22:26 sturmtruppen rebuild the index with the zebra command
22:27 xekhz zebraidx or
22:27 sturmtruppen the second
22:27 wahanui the second is by design
22:29 xekhz i had to do the following
22:29 xekhz ln -s /etc/koha/sites/portel/koha-conf.xml /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
22:29 xekhz and then
22:29 xekhz perl -a -b
22:30 sturmtruppen just  perl -a -b
22:30 xekhz how do i give the koha-conf.xml to the
22:30 libsysguy export it to your path
22:30 libsysguy sorry for butting in
22:30 jcamins_away xekhz: didn't you use the packages?
22:30 * libsysguy butts out again
22:30 jcamins_away xekhz: use sudo koha-rebuild-zebra portel
22:31 xekhz ok
22:32 xekhz
22:32 xekhz i can now find the record test
22:32 xekhz :)
22:33 xekhz i will add another one
22:33 xekhz to be sure
22:36 xekhz using the koha-rebuild-zebra
22:36 xekhz it does not says nothing as output
22:36 jcamins_away xekhz: Zebra is automatically rebuilt every 10 minutes with the packages.
22:36 xekhz what if i dont want to wayt?
22:36 jcamins_away xekhz: in that case you can run it manually.
22:37 jcamins_away I'm just telling you because I wasn't sure you knew that. ;)
22:37 xekhz ok thanks
22:37 xekhz :)
22:37 xekhz i have got it
22:37 xekhz thanks for the help
22:37 xekhz i have now 2 records in the database
22:37 xekhz and they can be found
22:38 xekhz im new to koha, so im sorry for the stupid questions i made
22:38 jcamins_away xekhz: no worries. We all had to start somewhere.
22:39 xekhz im a system maintener not a lybrarian :)
22:40 xekhz should i register my nick in here
22:40 xekhz ?
22:40 jcamins_away Probably not necessary.
22:40 xekhz ok
22:40 xekhz thanks
22:40 * jcamins_away forgot how to identify with nickserv, and so far hasn't run into any problems.
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