Time Nick Message 00:09 mtj interesting... -> http://www.itworld.com/cloud-computing/257812/profits-considered-immoral-open-source-community 00:10 mtj ...and very topical to Koha :) 00:18 rangi eeeww bug 7704 00:18 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7704 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW , Independent Branches sys pref change to let librarians choose which things to share 00:18 Oak kia ora #joha 00:19 Oak crap 00:19 Oak never mind 00:19 rangi ehe 00:19 Oak :) hello rangi 00:20 rangi hey Oak 00:20 jcamins_away rangi: I think maybe if they called it something other than "IndependentX" that wouldn't sound quite so painful. 00:21 rangi yeah, it cant be independent but be dependent 00:22 rangi the eew is mostly because it can see it all going horrible wrong 00:23 jcamins_away Something like "ItemPermissions," "PatronPermissions," etc. 00:23 * jcamins_away too. 00:23 jcamins_away But I think if we thought of it not as "here are special cases we want to handle" but instead "here are the objects that require permissions" that wouldn't be nearly so probable. 00:24 rangi yup 00:24 rangi repurposing the syspref seems dangerous tho 00:24 rangi or at least error prone 00:24 jcamins_away Right. 00:24 jcamins_away So, kill IndependentBranches dead. 00:25 jcamins_away Have the upgrade say "oh, you have it enabled, that means you probably want these permissions..." 00:25 rangi yup 01:05 jcamins_away Hey, it just occurred to me... is bug 7701 what paul_p was saying was broken by bug 7001? 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7701 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Error when sending serial alerts 01:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips 01:48 Space_Librarian okay. If I've set a rule to email a patron type when an item has been checked out to them, do they have to check the option on their settings to receive said email? 01:48 Space_Librarian Does that even make sense? 01:49 mtj hmm, pass , not sure on that one :/ 01:49 mtj but, the q does make sense :) 02:20 mtj random vim q..... anyone use a method for removing trailing-whitespace, *selectively* ? 02:21 mtj i have my F6 key mapped to do that, for the entire file... but i really want a selective method 02:22 eythian mtj: bind something to :'<,'>s/\s+$//? 02:22 mtj so i can fix just little blocks of a file - before sending up a patch :) 02:26 mtj map <F6> <Esc>:'<,'>s/\s+$//<CR> ... in my .vimrc file, didnt work :/ 02:27 mtj ( i struggle with the vim mapping syntax ) :) 02:28 eythian I'd expect that to work if you visual-select first 02:28 mtj my working examples are shamelessly pinched from teh net, with very little syntatic understanding by me 02:28 eythian but, I'm no expert on vim stuff 02:29 mtj E486: Pattern not found: \s+$ 02:29 mtj twas the error, and thanks :) ill keep poking... 02:31 eythian nmap <F6> :'<,'>s/\\s\\+$//<CR>:let @/=''<CR> 02:45 mtj phew , got it sorted, twas an escaping typo 02:45 mtj map <F6> <Esc>:'<,'> s/\s\+$//<CR> works 02:46 mtj map <F6> <Esc>:'<,'> s/\s+$//<CR> doesnt :/ 02:46 mtj gotta escape the +... :/ 02:47 mtj cheers eythian , next beer is on me :) 02:47 eythian yeah, vim escaping is strange and unusual 02:48 mtj i've been meaning to sort a vim macro for that, for about hmmmm, 5 years? 02:49 bag mtj? 02:49 wahanui DeM KraZy NutZ!! 02:52 mtj word-up bag! 02:54 bag :) 02:55 mtj haaay, while on the tidy-up topic.... has anyone else spotted this 02:55 mtj https://metacpan.org/module/FAYLAND/JavaScript-Beautifier-0.15/bin/js_beautify.pl 02:56 mtj ive been experimenting with it on my Koha JS code.. and it works a treat ;) 02:57 Space_Librarian wonderful. My staff are lamenting that we didn't go with Genie. 02:57 mtj i've been planning to suggest that the Koha project adopts it , as a JS formatting standard 02:59 mtj (as we currently dont use any JS formatting tool ) 03:04 mtj [off] shudders at the flashback of db-textworks encoding hell 03:04 eythian it is terrifyingly bad. 03:05 eythian Space_Librarian: still confused about MARC are they? 03:06 Space_Librarian no, we have MARC down pat, and circ is working - it's more issues with the cart, and what is actually being sent to patrons, and terminology on the opac, etc, that is starting to become a serious issue. 03:06 eythian oh hey, should anybody need it, I have a script that cleans up an export from .eLM to the point where an XML parser can actually read it (which it can't do with what comes out by default.) 03:07 mtj eythian: ISO-666 encoded 03:07 eythian Space_Librarian: they know they can see what gets actually sent to patrons by looking in the patron info, right? 03:07 Space_Librarian eythian - well done re: the .eLM stuff 03:07 Space_Librarian yes, but the patrons complain that they don't get confirmation emails for holds 03:07 Space_Librarian etc, etc, etc 03:08 Space_Librarian Oh, and confusion on carts 03:08 eythian mtj: a mix of MARC-8, ISO-8859-1, ISO-8859-15, and (I kid you not) VT100. 03:08 Space_Librarian sending us .isos from the cart. 03:08 Space_Librarian Yeah. Too much technology for these people 03:08 eythian we can very easily check to make sure emails are going out. 03:09 eythian ah right. Those formats are mostly aimed for citation manager software rather than humans. 03:09 Space_Librarian we can? Same with emails for books being issued and returned. I've switched it on, but it doesn't appear to be working. 03:10 eythian Space_Librarian: sure, give me a borrower number and/or email address and I can check in a couple of moments. 03:10 Space_Librarian And yeah, I know re: the emailing of carts, but there doesn't seem to be a way to put instructions into the cart thingy to tell them that 03:11 mtj eythian: wow, impressively um.. eclectic 03:11 Space_Librarian mtj: that eLM system *is* eclectic 03:12 eythian also, all the UI is comic sans :) 03:12 eythian (although, that might be a library choice) 03:12 * Space_Librarian shudders 03:28 eythian http://www.cracked.com/article_15739_50-reasons-lord-rings-sucks.html 03:58 Oak kia ora #koha 06:10 MAPIT hello\ 06:10 MAPIT I am new to KOHA... 06:11 MAPIT but successfully installed and configured koha and now i am on a verge of setting my system for customized usage... 06:11 MAPIT can you anyone please help me for that 06:11 MAPIT ??? 06:20 GCC hai 06:21 Guest6070 can any one tell where is the SA settings for Koha 06:21 eythian SA? 06:22 Guest6070 yah 06:22 eythian what's that? 06:22 wahanui somebody said that was failed qa 06:22 Guest6070 i need minim field for MARC entry 06:23 eythian use more words? 06:23 Guest6070 i need minimum entry fields how can i do that 06:23 Guest6070 for the MARC entry 06:24 eythian You probably want to create a framework 06:24 eythian and go through and hide all the fields that you don't want in that framework. 06:24 Guest6070 where is that option 06:25 eythian wahanui: manual 06:25 wahanui manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 06:25 eythian have a look through there for frameworks 06:25 Guest6070 okay tnx dear let me check 06:26 Guest6070 how can i hide the unwanted fields 06:26 Guest6070 ? 06:27 eythian http://manual.koha-community.org/3.6/en/catadmin.html#marcbibframeworks <-- search for 'hidden' and it may help 06:27 Guest6070 okay 06:28 Guest6070 so as your knowledge there we will not get any minim fields right > 06:28 eythian I don't really even know what that means. I assume what you're asking is how to cut back on the MARC fields so you don't have to see so many, right? 06:29 eythian hi cait 06:29 Guest6070 yah u r right 06:29 cait hey eythian 06:29 Guest6070 is any easy way for that 06:29 eythian OK. In that case, you need to go and hide the ones you don't want. 06:29 eythian not really at this stage. 06:30 Guest6070 okay fine 06:30 Guest6070 thank you so much 06:31 Guest6070 is there any way to get a copy of MARC data 06:31 Guest6070 in exportable format 06:31 Guest6070 ? 06:32 eythian yeah, in 3.6 there's an export function in the framework editor. 06:34 Guest6070 and in MARC am not able to find author name. where it is do u have any idea 06:34 eythian 100a 06:34 eythian @marc 100 06:34 huginn eythian: A personal name used as a main entry in a bibliographic record. [a,b,c,d,e,f,g,j,k,l,n,p,q,t,u,4,6,8] 06:35 Guest6070 okay tnx 06:44 Guest6070 are u there 06:44 Guest6070 ? 06:45 eythian someone probably is, this is IRC after all. 06:46 Guest6070 is any way to get a MARC file with settings 06:46 Guest6070 so that i can export it to mine 06:46 eythian Someone may have one, I don't. 06:47 eythian but also, pretty much everyone has different settings. 06:47 Guest6070 is it possible to download from some where 06:47 eythian I don't know of any, though it's something I'd like to see: it'd be useful. 06:48 Guest6070 okay in MARC field we are getting default settings 06:48 Guest6070 and there r options avilbale for creating new 06:48 Guest6070 also 06:49 Guest6070 while checking in documents its showing lot of types like books , CD, DVD ect.. 06:49 Guest6070 is this things they created or it is available with koha 06:50 eythian There are some that typically are installed by default. 06:50 Guest6070 means if we need to create the complete settings for frame work? 06:50 eythian that's probably those. 06:50 eythian you could take one of those and modify it if you wanted. 06:51 Guest6070 i saw some in documents but in my koha only default is available 06:51 eythian oh, you get the option of installing them when Koha is set up for the first time. Short of manually loading them into the database, there's no way to add them after the fact. 06:51 Guest6070 is we ll get other option like books and all after the installation or is we need to create each and everything ? 06:52 Guest6070 okayyy 06:52 Guest6070 finee 06:52 eythian they're mostly there for example purposes anyway. Typically you'd make your own. 06:52 eythian though they'd be a good place to start from. 06:57 Guest6070 okayzzz 06:58 Guest6070 okay i like to delete some fields from frame work for creating my own.. is there any problem for that ? 06:59 eythian I'd recommend hiding them rather than deleting them 06:59 eythian that way you can get them back easily 06:59 eythian and there are some that will cause problems if you delete them. 07:05 * eythian leaves work finally 07:05 cjh wow 07:05 cjh eythian: good effort. 07:06 eythian I have the migration script I've been working on finally getting about 90% of the stuff it's supposed to. That's good enough for a mallowpuff. 07:08 * cait waves 07:14 Guest6070 now am planning to export a demo frame work to Excel and planning to delete the items which i dont want and keep only the needed item and will import it back 07:14 Guest6070 what to u think abut this process 07:14 Guest6070 may i ? 07:16 Guest6070 are u there 07:16 Guest6070 eythin ?> 07:16 Guest6070 can u help me for getting some MARC codes for some entries 07:16 Guest6070 ?? 07:17 mle eythian ++ 07:17 Guest6070 hai 07:17 Guest6070 can anyone help me 07:18 Guest6070 can u help me for getting some MARC codes for some entries 07:18 Guest6070 ? 07:18 Guest6070 are u there? 07:24 Guest6070 is any one there? 07:39 alex_a bonjour 07:45 reiveune hello 07:48 Guest6070 hai 07:48 Guest6070 ]r u therer? 07:48 Guest6070 r u there? 07:55 paul_p good morning world 08:04 cait-m__ hi paul 08:05 cait-m__ @wunder konstanz 08:05 huginn cait-m__: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 6.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.49 in 1032 hPa (Rising). 08:06 gaetan_B good morning! 08:06 asaurat hi 08:06 wahanui bonjour, asaurat 08:07 cait-m__ @wunder marseille 08:07 huginn cait-m__: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 12.0°C (9:00 AM CET on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). 08:09 Guest6070 good morning 08:09 Guest6070 is anyone can help me for setting up koha 08:09 Guest6070 ?????? 08:10 Guest6081 kk 08:10 Guest6081 is anyone can help me for setup KOHA 08:13 mtj http://www.softwarequalityconnection.com/2012/03/14-ways-to-contribute-to-open-source-without-being-a-programming-genius-or-a-rock-star/ 08:13 mtj ... a good read :) 08:13 Guest6081 hi 08:14 Guest6081 can u give me a normal setting's for koha MARC 08:15 Guest6081 s anyone can help me for setup KOHA 08:16 Guest6081 are u there? 08:18 mle @wunder edinburgh 08:18 huginn mle: Error: No such location could be found. 08:18 mle lol 08:18 mtj Guest6081: just use the 'default' framework 08:18 rangi @wunder edinburgh,UK 08:18 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Trinity, Edinburgh, Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 7.4°C (8:18 AM GMT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.53 in 1033.7 hPa (Steady). 08:18 mle ty rangi 08:19 mtj Guest6081: ... that contains the settings for a normal marc setup 08:20 mle mtj can you check which font the logo is in pls? 08:20 mtj mle , i dont know 08:21 mtj the koha logo? i dont know... 08:21 mle just thought i woudl check again 08:21 mtj aiaik, no on e remembers the original font 08:22 mtj but *your* font selection looks just about perfect :p 08:22 mle ty. i really like the 'k' and the font matchers have not helped and I am not happy with the new fonts 'k' and my kludging has not yet produced a satisfying 'k'. ; ) I guess I should keep hunting for the right font or keep kludgin the 'k'. ; ) 08:22 mle aww ty mtj 08:23 mle just unhappy with the way that the 'k' doesnae match 08:23 mtj congrats on a freakin sweet kohacon logo :) 08:25 stuartyeates mle: if you like I can recommend some open source font packages so you can make your own font... 08:25 mtj mle, nahhh - your font looks perfect to me 08:25 mtj stuartyeates: im curiious too, i dont know any :/ 08:26 kf hi #koha 08:26 mle stuartyeates font hacki8ng is fun, i am just using inkscape 08:26 mle hey kf 08:27 stuartyeates mle: http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/ 08:28 stuartyeates I've not use it in a very long time and then it was only to hack some macrons into a place I'd been told macrons couldn't go 08:29 ibeardslee oh er 08:29 mle nice one. (according to the reviews some folk prefer inkscapes abilities) 08:30 mle but most say it rocks 08:30 stuartyeates ibeardslee: surely you've known me long enough to know my macron fetish? 08:34 asaurat can someone confirm me that the AuthorisedValueImages system preference works ? I can't see the images on the OPAC detail pages (no xslt) 08:43 mtj classic stuff -> http://science.slashdot.org/story/12/03/12/1546255/lawsuit-claims-nasa-specialist-was-fired-over-intelligent-design-belief 08:44 kf asaurat: I think it maybe works only in a few places - perhaps grep and find where it's checked? 08:44 mtj the original article... and then the slashdot discussion :) 08:46 mtj ... and topical to Koha too-> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/03/12/1728234/how-to-contribute-to-open-source-without-being-a-programming-rock-star 08:47 asaurat kf: a grep shows that it's supposed to be used in opac-detail AND in opac-result (the sys pref text doesn't say that, but it seems better to me to do this in both pages)... but it seems broken, I can't see any image 08:50 mtj asaurat: what version ? 08:50 mtj 3.6 or master ? 08:51 asaurat master 08:58 mbalmer yay. for the first time, I was able to pay fees at a commercial POS terminal. scan the patron card, gets fees via SIP, sell more products, if wanted, pay, POS terminal sends the fee paid message and the OPAC shows the payment and no more fees. aka: it works! 09:02 mtj wow, thats awesome mbalmer :) 09:03 mtj asaurat: a strange bug in master... my opac always loops to 'maintanance mode'? 09:03 mbalmer yes, it means that the arcapos POS solution is now SIP enabled and can be used with Koha. e.g. when a library besides fee processing also sells small items etc. 09:03 mtj but when i roll my repo back to 3.6.4... problem is solved :/ 09:03 asaurat mtj: ?! I don't have this problem 09:04 asaurat any problem during your database update ? 09:04 mtj fyi: commit is a7f7aeb138b8275448937102cb7a46cf49530aef 09:04 mtj hmmm, i never got one, actually.. :/ 09:05 mtj so, bit strange .. :/ 09:05 asaurat a few fields were added if I remember well 09:10 mle mbalmer: neat 09:14 mbalmer I wonder if that is something that would be of interest for a mailing list. 09:14 mtj bah, sorry a recent apache mess-up borked my dev setup ?!? :/ 09:25 mtj i had to drop a table for the upgrade to work 09:25 mtj drop 'pending_offline_operations'... 09:26 mtj so. on master - with *no* icons defined for LOC auth_values 09:26 mtj (not sure if there are any supposed to be?) 09:34 mtj http://head.kohaaloha.com/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=1 09:34 mtj lost status display an image, but location does not 09:35 mtj so... syspref partially works :) 09:35 kf asaurat: could the problem be tt conversion? 09:36 kf asaurat: meaning a problemin the template with a wrong suffix - I don't think the feature is widely used. 09:36 asaurat ok, I see there's also a pb with the french translation of the syspref (Display and Not display being inverted....) 09:36 asaurat but shouldn't also the syspref display ccode icons ? 09:38 asaurat kf: the template looks ok to me but I'm not sure to understand what you mean 09:39 asaurat but some variables are used in the tt and not defined in the pl ... 09:45 mtj yep, should display icons :/ 09:48 mtj and a bug? -> http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7579 09:48 huginn 04Bug 7579: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Icons for authorized values/item types not showing in OPAC 09:51 mtj hmm, says its pushed to master... but isnt?!? 09:51 asaurat that's pushed to master :/ 09:52 mtj oooh, history -> http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_activity.cgi?id=7579 09:52 mtj paul.poulain@biblibre.com 2012-02-27 17:32:31 UTC Status Passed QA Pushed to Master 09:52 mtj but it doesnt seem pushed ? :/ 09:53 asaurat it is, I see the modified code 09:54 kf hm 09:54 kf do you have errors in the logs? 09:54 kf because if that patch created a wrong file path, it should complain 09:55 mtj ok.. but the commit is changed fro m the original patch ?i guess?... :/ 09:55 mtj accepted patch was this one -> http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/attachment.cgi?id=7815 09:55 mtj From 9cf8fc3e084e88864b119dbda990fa6b2467aa2a Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 09:56 asaurat hmm I deactivted the XSLT preferences but I'm not sure it worked well, looks like there's still some xsl in there... 09:56 kf ? 09:57 mtj see... this fails -> http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=9cf8fc3e084e88864b119dbda990fa6b2467aa2a 09:59 mtj oops, ok, the patch *was* applied... :p 09:59 kf asaurat: no errors in the logs for not finding the image? 09:59 kf asaurat: can you give me a link to one of the template files using it? 10:01 mtj with a different commit id :) ?!? -> http://git.koha-community.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=koha.git;a=commit;h=99f686ea8323aa47eeb12ffb2c85cf5da0ad1d65 10:01 asaurat koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-detail.tt 10:02 mtj i guess paul/julian change the commit id when they accept/qa it... ? 10:06 asaurat arrrrrrrrrh my syspref about OPACXSLTDetailsDisplay is badly translated and was Activated when I asked it to be disabled 10:07 asaurat I'm checking everything again 10:10 asaurat soooooooooooo 10:10 asaurat the ccode image appears correctly on the detail page, but not on the result page 10:13 asaurat it should appear on the result page too, so I'll create a bug for this I think 10:13 asaurat does it seem right ? 10:14 mtj yep, log a bug 10:14 asaurat ok 10:15 mtj my location-code image wont show, on master and 3.6.4 , too 10:16 mtj but, my lost-status image does :) 10:17 asaurat did you test the detail page ? result page ? both ? 10:17 asaurat I only checked ccode but not location 10:22 mtj bah , 'location' auth_value takes an image in sys-pref - yet has no code in opac-detail to display image :/ 10:22 asaurat ok 10:23 mtj ok, thats a newbie mistake :) lets both remember that one... next time :) 10:24 mtj so, only *some* authcodes have working code to display images 10:25 mtj 'images for authorized values (such as lost statuses and locations) in search results and item detail pages on the OPAC. ' 10:25 mtj i assumed '(such as lost statuses and locations)' == 'LOC' authcodes - but nope :) 10:26 mtj but, like i said , 'LOST' authcodes has working code to displays images in OPAC 10:30 mtj theres not <img> code for CCODE authvalues too 10:31 mtj so, its a 'feature-enhancement' , not an actual bug ;) 10:32 asaurat yeah, well, also ;) 10:32 asaurat I just tested the loc and lost 10:32 asaurat I can file the bug now 10:32 asaurat the enhancement I mean =) 10:32 asaurat whatever :D 10:36 mtj its a nice missing feature, i can see many librarians wanting to match their book-spine CC icons to their OPAC, etc... 10:40 asaurat actually it appears in detail page and is missing in result page 10:40 asaurat I'll have everything in the same bug, it's all related to AuthorisedValueImages 10:52 slef hi all 10:53 slef on my way to edinburgh to discuss kohacon12+more with mle and mjk 10:56 kf asaurat: sorry, was talking to a coworker - we are migrating acquisiton data... no fun 10:56 kf and now lunch :) 10:57 asaurat bon appétit :) 10:57 kf_lunch asaurat: your translation problem can perhaps be solved on pootle :) 10:58 asaurat it seems ok the the KTP page... 10:59 asaurat *on the 11:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7001' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=55409868114f406659761cffc274d8dd72ebb72b> / Bug 7167: Followup: FIX conflicts with Bug 5347 <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a4873bc4ceba454b99cb440ea1f0b7e09f48e90> / bug_7001: protected are only all libraries letters <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitd 11:31 jenkins_koha Starting build #653 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 5 j 19 h ago) 12:04 tcohen hi #koha 12:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #653: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/653/ 12:11 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug 7001 follow-up fixing POD mistake 12:11 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_7001: protected are only all libraries letters 12:11 jenkins_koha * jonathan.druart: Bug 7167: Followup: FIX conflicts with Bug 5347 12:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips 12:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7167 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , updatedatabase improvements 12:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5347 enhancement, P2, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, late order management 12:13 jcamins_away paul_p: what about adding a test to see if Zebra's working, and, if it is not, skipping the tests that depend on it in the Linker? 12:14 jcamins_away Is that a dumb idea? 12:15 * jcamins_away leaves, having shared that thought... back in a few hours. 12:17 tcohen is there a proper way to handle donations in koha? 12:24 kf there is no special donation workflow 12:24 kf I think I would use a vendor "Donation" and treat them as orders 12:24 kf or use some field in cataloging when not using acq 12:30 oleonard Hi #koha 12:49 paul_p jcamins_away I don't think it's a dumb idea (to skip zebra related tests if zebra is not running) 12:51 mbalmer paul_p, is it foreseen to have a SIP working group during the hackfest? 12:51 paul_p mbalmer we will work on whatever ppl want to work on , so it could, of course (and we have some intellident hardware) 12:52 mbalmer I am getting more and more interested in SIP, for obvious reasons.. 12:56 mbalmer it's amazing to pay fees using an integrated credit card terminal without the need to type in the amount.. 13:01 mbalmer when I change my address in the opac, where do I confirm that changes in the staff client? 13:03 tcohen thanks kf 13:03 mbalmer hmm, Koha sends some fields that are not in the SIP standard, or maybe there is a newer version? anyone has the latest SIP specs? 13:07 oleonard mbalmer: When a patron submits an update through the opac the Koha admin is sent an email with the new information 13:07 slef mbalmer: yes but not with me. search for sip3 13:08 oleonard mbalmer: There's not an interface to automatically apply the changes 13:08 mbalmer tnx, to both 13:08 oleonard (but there should be!) 13:08 mbalmer aha, our SIP server already has some non-standard extensions 13:11 slef mbalmer: I think there are some changes to payments in sip3, probably to standardise those extensions. ask me tomorrow 13:11 mbalmer ok. 13:12 mbalmer I already got payment working, but not yet the fee details. maybe that's in sip3, that would be great 13:13 slef mbalmer: or email me, mjr@software.coop citing [SC #2364] 13:16 mbalmer just did, tnx! 14:18 * wizzyrea waves 14:19 * oleonard wonders why he thought tinkering with request.pl would be fun 14:19 wizzyrea :/ 14:20 oleonard Actually I didn't, but Bug 7703. 14:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7703 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Don't block bulk hold action on search results if some items can't be placed on hold 14:27 wizzyrea ok, because I've not done it before with packages 14:27 wizzyrea i'm trying to upgrade a package install, and it keeps telling me "koha-common has been kept back" 14:27 wizzyrea any thoughts as to why? 14:32 JesseM Hello ByWater peeps 14:33 JesseM Koha Peeps :P 14:38 slef wizzyrea: press ! for an explanation if you're using aptitude 14:38 slef wizzyrea: I think 14:38 wizzyrea oo, tricky 14:38 wizzyrea thanks :) 14:38 slef wizzyrea: or I think some of the apt tools have "apt-get why koha-common" or something 14:39 slef wizzyrea: don't know what you're using... if you tell me, I'll see if anyone here knows :) 14:40 wizzyrea well, I think I figured it out - apt-get install koha-common told me "libmodern-perl-perl is required, but not installable 14:40 wizzyrea so, that rather explains it :) 14:55 jcamins Good morning, #koha. 14:55 * paul_p enjoy pushing... well sometimes it's not really a big joy, but today it is ;-) 14:55 kf yep, nice things 15:01 wizzyrea kf 7001 conflict getting resolved ok? 15:01 jcamins wizzyrea: did you figure out the upgrade? 15:01 wizzyrea well now I have to wait until noon to do it :P 15:01 wizzyrea because they are open. 15:01 wizzyrea but yes, I think so 15:01 kf wizzyrea: sorry, can't test now - will try later 15:02 jcamins paul_p: ooh, good thing you remembered to change the version on 7587. I hadn't thought about the fact that if it were marked as critical, it would get cherry-picked into 3.6. 15:02 kf jcamins: would not changing the version be enough without changing priority? 15:02 kf and not setting 3.6 but leaving it as 3.8 15:03 jcamins kf: probably, but I had it set to master and not 3.8. 15:03 paul_p wizzyrea you're running master live ? 15:04 wizzyrea for nexpress? 15:04 wizzyrea we are running 3.6.0 currently 15:05 wizzyrea soon to upgrade to 3.6.4 15:05 wizzyrea the package people are running 3.5.11 15:05 wizzyrea my dev server runs master, updated today 15:07 kf horizon-- 15:09 kf paul_p: have you seen my note on 929? the feature is already in 3.6-so if we consider it a bug it should be 3.6 15:10 kf paul_p: not sure I get how the version setting works right now 15:10 paul_p kf chris_n is sometimes a little bit enthusiast when he pickup ENH from master to 3.6 ;-) 15:10 kf well I am very glad he picked this up 15:11 paul_p (not sure I get it too ;-) ) 15:11 kf because we have a very happy library now 15:16 * chris_n thinks a) he is fairly conservative when picking up enh and b) much of what are marked enh are, in reality, bugs 15:17 chris_n in the case of 929, I decided that comments to this effect: "This functionality should be brought back...." meant it was a regression and as such should, indeed, be "brought back" 15:18 kf chris_n: it was gone for a long time - but I agree :) 15:24 kf t 15:24 kf oh wow 15:25 * wizzyrea ponders. 15:28 * chris_n waits for his head to stop spinning 15:29 mbalmer did the IRC server just reset? 15:30 chris_n netsplit iirc 15:30 mbalmer tsk, tsk.. 15:35 maximep really not many netsplits on oftc... but not many different servers it seems 16:07 jcamins kf: Help! What does "Sie habne keine Kataloge ausgewaehlt" mean? 16:07 mbalmer "You did not select any catalogues" 16:07 asaurat genau =) 16:07 jcamins mbalmer: thanks. 16:07 mbalmer <- native german speaker, but also english, french, C, Lua, and now Perl 16:08 mbalmer np. 16:08 asaurat mbalmer: what do you do with Lua ? 16:08 mbalmer A terrible lot. Backoffice and scripting of our products. 16:09 mbalmer I organized the Lua Workshop 2011 16:09 asaurat oh ? nice =) 16:09 asaurat I think I'll try it soon 16:09 mbalmer It is very useful when you write software in C that you want to make scriptable. 16:10 mbalmer so you access from Lua scripts functionality that has been implemented in C. That's what I use it for mostly. 16:10 mbalmer Interfaces to the GUI, Database, SIP etc, etc. 16:11 mbalmer if you want, I can show a bit in Marseill 16:11 mbalmer e 16:11 kf jcamins: you have selected no catalogs 16:11 kf oh 16:11 kf I am too late :) 16:11 jcamins kf: that's okay. Thanks. 16:12 mbalmer kf, anyways, welcome to the party ;) 16:12 kf your translation was better anyway :) 16:15 mbalmer AFthanks| 16:16 kf speaking sip? 16:16 mbalmer ;) 16:16 mbalmer I am sip-ified 16:19 hdl i can't get no.... 16:19 hdl sip i faction 16:19 kf lol 16:20 * kf can hear the song 16:21 kf mbalmer: have you booked your flights to scotland? 16:21 mbalmer "me sip you long time…" 16:21 mbalmer kf, not yet but there are ideal flights from BSL with EasyJet 16:21 kf ah 16:21 kf from zürich you go via london 16:21 kf or amsterdam 16:22 mbalmer BSL is direct, but no flight back on tuesday, so I leave monday 16:22 mbalmer I thought there were also direct flights from ZRH? 16:22 mbalmer I'll have to ask vera, she managed my travels 16:22 kf perhaps not the cheap flights then :) 16:23 mbalmer yes, there was quite a difference 16:23 mbalmer like 600 vs 300 bucks 16:23 kf for nonstop? 16:23 mbalmer yes, iirc 16:24 kf from here to basel by train 3 hours changing trains lots... 16:24 mbalmer wanted to coordinate my travel with my colleagues anyways. 16:24 kf so zürich it is 16:25 mbalmer I prefer ZRH over BSL, but when it makes a 300 difference, I take BSL. 16:25 kf ah, I thought it was much closer to you anyway 16:25 mbalmer I live basically between BSL and ZRH, next airfield is LSZI (5 mins. away) 16:25 kf lszi? 16:25 mbalmer a small airfield. 16:26 mbalmer only for small planes and gliders. 16:26 mbalmer hobby pilots 16:26 mbalmer no A320 ;) 16:27 jcamins mbalmer: you should fly your own plane from LSZI to EDI. :) 16:27 mbalmer yes, indeed ;) 16:28 mbalmer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLz-lGK5oZ4 16:30 jcamins kf: go home! 16:32 wizzyrea in the notices, why have a "do not notify" 16:33 wizzyrea if it's unchecked, doesn't that mean "do not notify" 16:33 kf jcamins: researching for scotland - can I stay a bit longer? ;) 16:33 jcamins kf: hmmm. 16:33 kf wizzyrea: perhaps used to be radio buttons? 16:33 kf not sure 16:33 jcamins kf: A few minutes. 16:34 kf jcamins: you only want to play scrabble with me! 16:34 jcamins kf: I'm busy cataloging surrogates. :P 16:35 kf ? 16:35 jcamins kf: pictures of books. 16:38 wizzyrea also I think there is a problem with items.content in 3rd overdue notices. 16:38 wizzyrea does anyone know if that is fixe? 16:38 wizzyrea fixed? 16:39 wizzyrea I saw a bug report + patch but wasn't sure if it was the one 16:39 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6292 16:39 kf hm 16:39 huginn 04Bug 6292: critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist 16:39 kf wizzyrea: what is the problem? 16:39 wahanui the problem is its human beings doing it 16:39 kf 1st 2nd and 3rd should basically doing the ame 16:39 wizzyrea kind of like this but not, because in my case (on 3.6.0) we're not getting items.content at all 16:39 kf but they work different now 16:39 wizzyrea yea, it's kind of moot 16:40 wizzyrea since notices is getting redone. 16:40 kf hm is it? 16:40 jcamins Bug 6292 is unrelated to the contents. 16:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6292 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Overdue notices have a bug when multiple overdues exist 16:40 kf wizzyrea: I am not aware of someone workingon overdues 16:40 reiveune bye 16:40 wizzyrea 7001 touches overdue notices 16:40 kf oh 16:40 kf will have to check then 16:41 wizzyrea but this is not with that 16:41 * jcamins goes to eat some lunch. 16:41 wizzyrea this is with 3.6.0 16:41 kf can you still make different notices for different patrons? 16:41 wizzyrea yep 16:41 kf good .) 16:41 wizzyrea and different branches and different patrons. 16:41 wizzyrea that part pretty much works the same. 16:41 kf cool 16:41 kf you could use <item> syntax instead 16:41 kf as a workaround 16:42 kf not sure why 3rd should be different as the other 2? 16:42 wizzyrea it's weird because it works in the other 2 16:43 wizzyrea idk why it wouldn't. Maybe delete the notice and re-save it. 16:44 kf typo? 16:44 wizzyrea no, I checked that 16:44 kf hm 16:44 kf copy over 2nd into 3rd... for a test? 16:46 wizzyrea hm 16:47 wizzyrea they just changed the wording. 16:47 wizzyrea one thing that would be cool 16:47 wizzyrea would be to add a <<fines.total>> field 16:47 wizzyrea to notices. 16:47 kf yep 16:47 kf totally 16:47 kf enh? :) 16:47 wizzyrea hehe yea 16:52 wizzyrea bug 7707 16:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7707 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Add fines placeholders in notices to display fine information on notices 16:53 kf wizzyrea: you can do per item fines 16:53 kf you only have to use the <item> </item> syntax with fine 16:53 wizzyrea hm 16:54 kf what we can't do is a total 16:54 wizzyrea i'm going to see if this is improved in our update we are getting at the end of this month 16:54 kf was there since 3.2.2 :) 16:54 kf <item><<biblio.title>>, Signatur: <<items.itemcallnumber>>, Barcode: <<items.barcode>>, Mahngebühr: <fine>EUR</fine></item> 16:55 kf you have to use USD (iso currency code) for the right formatting 16:56 kf it has to be 1 line 16:56 kf no line breaks 16:57 kf but it's quite nice and it does not require to change the cronjob everytime you want different fields 16:57 wizzyrea but that's only 1 item? 16:57 wizzyrea or is that all of them 16:57 kf no :) 16:57 kf it lists 16:57 wizzyrea well sheesh, I'll just add that to it then. 16:57 kf like <<items.content>> would, only different syntax 16:58 wizzyrea kf++ 16:58 kf like I said before.. I spend a lot of times in fines and notices... 16:58 kf more time than I ever intended to 17:10 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 5341: Moves the "save" button to the top of the serial receiving <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=da920b1da9f2f2895730758659d099245c2e64ba> / Bug 3216: UNIMARC author facets <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aed0d8a63d5005e1c343def9a8ccbd9403ccd4aa> / Bug 7698: Add CHR/ICU Zebra tokenization choice to installation <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh 17:11 kf jcamins: I will leave now ;) 17:12 jcamins Good idea! 17:12 kf bye all :) 17:16 jenkins_koha Starting build #654 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #644 6 j 0 h ago) 17:20 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_7661' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=49c387cddf6de083343fe6c88ad9f167844521b4> / bug 7661: Moving C4::tests to unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=befebb8a5c7757cddd0fbb0c639ca8f909d931c9> / Bug 5341: Moves the "save" button to the top of the serial receiving <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.gi 17:22 gaetan_B bye! 17:41 * cait waves 17:41 sekjal hi, cait! 17:41 cait hi sekjal :) 17:44 jcamins Hi cait and sekjal. 17:45 cait hi jcamins :) 17:45 sekjal hi, jcamins 18:26 mle kohacon12 request for those interested in fishing to let me know. http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Summary#Social_Events 18:27 jcamins @later tell rhcl They're looking into scheduling a fishing trip for KohaCon12: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/KohaCon12_Summary#Social_Events 18:27 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 18:27 mle ty 18:27 cait :) 18:29 jcamins You know, it's much more affordable to live in a city like Edinburgh than to visit for a week. 18:30 mle it is unfortunate that i am movign flat (to something more affordable) since we have two huge spare rooms in this flat : / 18:31 * jcamins is still hoping that the fairs drop randomly. 18:32 datadoctor the chances are fair to middlin' :^) 18:36 * mle makes votive offerings to the god of travel fares in the hope that jcamins and other kohacon12 attendees experience beneficial prices fluctations 18:36 jcamins :) 18:37 cait mle++ 18:41 data_doctor @wunderground Edinburgh 18:41 huginn data_doctor: I've exhausted my database of quotes 18:41 cait @wunder Edinburgh 18:41 huginn cait: Error: No such location could be found. 18:41 cait @wunder EDI 18:41 huginn cait: The current temperature in Dalgety Bay, United Kingdom is 8.9°C (6:30 PM GMT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.47 in 1031.7 hPa (Steady). 18:41 cait @wunder Konstanz 18:41 huginn cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.0°C (7:39 PM CET on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.41 in 1029.7 hPa (Steady). 18:41 data_doctor Oops! There we go - 48 degrees in Edinburgh... 18:42 data_doctor Should be even nicer by the time KohaCon rolls around. 18:42 rangi @wunder nzwn 18:42 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on March 14, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady). 18:43 jcamins @wunder EDI 18:43 JesseM @wunder 10001 18:43 huginn jcamins: The current temperature in Dalgety Bay, United Kingdom is 8.9°C (6:30 PM GMT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.47 in 1031.7 hPa (Steady). 18:43 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn. 18:43 huginn JesseM: The current temperature in Hunter College, Upper East Side, New York, New York is 21.7°C (2:43 PM EDT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.31 in 992.4 hPa (Steady). 18:43 jcamins @wunder EH12NY 18:43 huginn jcamins: Error: No such location could be found. 18:43 data_doctor @wunder 44240 18:43 jcamins Errr... just go ahead and ignore me, huginn. 18:43 huginn data_doctor: The current temperature in Kent State Geography, Kent, Ohio is 18.2°C (2:42 PM EDT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Steady). 18:43 jcamins Wow, that was odd. 18:43 data_doctor wild weather all of a sudden! :^) 18:43 rangi @wunder edinburgh,UK 18:43 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Trinity, Edinburgh, Edinburgh, United Kingdom is 8.8°C (6:43 PM GMT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.49 in 1032.4 hPa (Steady). 18:45 collum @wunder 41017 18:45 huginn collum: The current temperature in Van Aachen, Erlanger, Kentucky is 21.7°C (2:45 PM EDT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Steady). 18:47 wizzyrea oh, check our weather 18:47 wizzyrea @wunder 66049 18:47 cait nice 18:47 huginn wizzyrea: The current temperature in Near Free State High, Lawrence, Kansas is 27.3°C (1:46 PM CDT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 28.88 in 977.9 hPa (Steady). 18:47 wizzyrea 27! 18:47 rangi hot! 18:47 wizzyrea twenty effin seven. 18:48 collum You win. :-) 18:48 wizzyrea it really is borderline hot out there. 18:48 collum It's too early for Spring allergies. 18:50 wizzyrea all of our trees are blooming 18:55 bag wow 27! 18:55 bag @wunder 93109 18:55 huginn bag: The current temperature in K6LCM-Westside/Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 14.2°C (11:54 AM PDT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017.5 hPa (Falling). 18:58 jcamins Okay, time to head back to see what the contractors are up to. 18:59 jcamins_away Bye. 18:59 wizzyrea gl 18:59 * wizzyrea flexes at bag 19:00 bag 27 is way to hot.. sorry I've still got the biggest weather muscles in the room! 19:04 talljoy @wunder 76109 19:04 huginn talljoy: The current temperature in BRIT Living Roof, Fort Worth, Texas is 24.2°C (1:59 PM CDT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Falling). 19:04 sekjal @wunder 01003 19:04 huginn sekjal: The current temperature in Computer Science Bldg - University of Massachusetts, Amherst, Massachusetts is 21.1°C (3:00 PM EDT on March 13, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Steady). 19:05 talljoy nice address. lol 19:05 talljoy it that the inside temperature? 19:05 sekjal perhaps there... 19:05 wahanui it has been said that perhaps there is a syspref for that - let me check (being able to return at other branches) 19:06 sekjal 25.5 inside my office 19:08 bag oh sekjal that's too hot 19:08 sekjal well, if they'd turn the heat off, it wouldn't be so bad 19:08 sekjal but, apparently, they can't 19:12 xekhz hello 19:12 xekhz ppl 19:12 xekhz can anyone help me 19:12 xekhz in koha ? 19:13 wizzyrea @quote search ask 19:13 huginn wizzyrea: 8 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one...", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are...", #45: "<CGI988> sekjal - you are a genious!!!!! asking...", and #4: "< (1 more message) 19:13 wizzyrea @quote get 145 19:13 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011) 19:13 wizzyrea :) 19:13 xekhz ok doki 19:13 xekhz got the message 19:13 xekhz i did not want to be unpolite 19:13 wizzyrea (seriously, go ahead :)) 19:13 xekhz im using koha, 3.6 in debian squeeze, im new to koha 19:14 xekhz not to debian. 19:14 xekhz and when the library started addind "fields" in the framework 19:14 xekhz zebra start sending me a error 19:14 xekhz i will copy it 19:14 wizzyrea paste.koha-community.org 19:14 wizzyrea to make that easier for ya 19:14 xekhz ok 19:16 pastebot "xekhz" at 85.246.40.41 pasted "koha trying to rebuil zebra" (24 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/310 19:16 xekhz thats me 19:16 wizzyrea :) yep 19:17 sekjal ah 19:17 sekjal I think I see the problem 19:17 sekjal you've got your biblionumber and biblioitemnumber remapped 19:17 wizzyrea ooo yea 19:17 sekjal they need to stay in 999$c and 999$d, respectively 19:17 xekhz talking chinese know for me 19:17 xekhz now... not know 19:18 sekjal when the library started adding and editing the frameworks, they changed where Koha looked for the key number for each record 19:18 sekjal Zebra only knows to look in MARC field 999, subfields c and d 19:19 sekjal but they've got biblionumber mapped to 001 and biblioitemnumber to 090 subfield a 19:19 xekhz how can i correct it ? 19:20 sekjal easiest way is probably to reload the MARC frameworks 19:20 sekjal though, depending on how much customization the library has done, they may not care for that too much 19:21 xekhz we only deleted and added some fields in the framework 19:21 xekhz in the default on 19:21 xekhz unimarc 19:22 wizzyrea did you delete the 999$c and 999$d? 19:22 wizzyrea re-adding them might fix it 19:22 xekhz will try it now 19:23 wizzyrea sekjal - numbering is the same in unimarc? 19:23 wizzyrea for biblionumber and biblioitemnumber? 19:23 * wizzyrea doesn't know 19:24 xekhz im addinc 999 -> $c 19:24 xekhz nops 19:25 sekjal huh 19:25 xekhz MARC subfield structure admin for 999 (framework MON) 19:25 sekjal I'm wrong 19:25 xekhz i added this 19:25 sekjal 001$@ and 090$a ARE correct for UNIMARC 19:25 * sekjal plays the UNIMARC fool 19:26 xekhz can it be 19:26 xekhz that i added 19:26 xekhz the 200$d field 19:26 xekhz and dont have it in the record.abs ? 19:27 xekhz someon is knocking on my door 19:27 xekhz 5 minutes 19:27 wizzyrea sekjal - maybe more to do with the db do with the incorrect time zone? 19:27 sekjal I'm afraid this one may beyond me; I don't know much at all about UNIMARC Zebra configs 19:28 wizzyrea or is that normal? 19:28 sekjal not sure 19:28 sekjal it got 3 records out 19:28 wizzyrea yea, that seemed odd to me as well --it's not working but... it's working? 19:29 wizzyrea maybe they changed the koha->marc mappings/ 19:29 wizzyrea ? 19:33 sekjal or perhaps they're using UNIMARC records, but Zebra is set up for MARC21? 19:33 wizzyrea could be - maybe they didn't tell it unimarc during setup 19:34 wizzyrea it does default to marc21 19:34 sekjal that would lead to matching fields not being found 19:43 nengard on the item's circ history what table is the last borrower info coming from? is it just looking at old_issues? or is it stored elsewhere? 19:48 sekjal nengard: yes, from old_issues 19:48 sekjal see C4/Items.pm line 1310 or so 19:48 sekjal the GetItemsInfo subroutine 19:48 nengard thanks sekjal 19:49 nengard can anyone give me the sql to grab the last borrower of an item? 19:50 sekjal just need to ORDER BY returndate LIMIT 1 19:59 nengard sekjal not if i wanted a report of a bunch of last borrowers ? right? 20:00 sekjal no, not in that case 20:03 sekjal perhaps a WHERE returndate = max(returndate) clause would help (unless multiple people returned the same book in the same day) 20:21 pastebot "nengard" at 98.114.30.184 pasted "report help on finding last borrowers" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/312 20:23 nengard sekjal ^^ 20:24 sekjal nengard: is it failing, or just not returning what you expect? 20:24 nengard failing - see the error in the paste 20:24 nengard ERROR 1111 (HY000): Invalid use of group function 20:25 nengard is this a case for HAVING instead of where? 20:25 sekjal perhaps... 20:26 sekjal I think you'd also benefit from just JOINing on old_issues and borrowers, instead of left joining 20:28 nengard select p.surname, p.firstname, p.email, b.title, b.author, i.itemcallnumber, i.barcode, c.issuedate, c.returndate as 'marked lost' from biblio b left join items i using (biblionumber) join old_issues c using (itemnumber) left join borrowers p using (borrowernumber) having c.returndate = max(c.returndate) and i.itemlost=2; 20:28 nengard hmm 20:28 nengard now it says Unknown column 'i.itemlost' in 'having clause' 20:28 nengard but that's the field ? 20:31 sekjal nengard: you don't actually have a GROUP BY statement in there.... 20:32 sekjal I think MySQL is carping because max() expects one 20:32 nengard even with a group by it says it doesn't know i.itemlost 20:33 sekjal move i.itemlost =2 back to WHERE 20:33 sekjal HAVING is best used for aggregate functions 20:39 nengard k sekjal - i think i have it working 20:39 nengard thanks! 20:39 sekjal welcome 20:54 xekhz im back 20:54 xekhz i read all of the posts 20:54 xekhz i selected 20:54 xekhz unimarc during install 20:55 wizzyrea during make install? or the web installer? 20:55 xekhz and the the zebra only started failling when a field was inserted 20:55 xekhz webinstall 20:55 sekjal have a good night, #koha! 20:55 wizzyrea bye sek 20:55 wizzyrea oh bother. 20:55 jcamins_away Hehe. 20:56 xekhz can ....unimarc/record.abs has something to do with the error 20:56 xekhz »??? 20:57 jcamins_away xekhz: unfortunately, I don't think there are any UNIMARCers around. 20:57 xekhz :) 20:57 xekhz maybe 20:58 jcamins_away xekhz: however, I can tell you if you're getting that message without modifying record.abs, you probably did something wrong with the MARC frameworks. 20:58 jcamins_away If you modified the Zebra config files manually, you need to undo whatever you did. 20:59 xekhz i did not touch any config files for zebra 21:00 xekhz im going to install everything again 21:00 xekhz i made a backup of my framework 21:00 jcamins_away Okay, there are a few options: you modified the MARC framework after creating the record, you imported a record directly into the database, or you have a record which is too large. 21:00 jcamins_away If it's the last one, adding a -x will fix it. 21:01 xekhz im re-installing... 21:01 xekhz 5 minutes :) 21:06 lodac Koha = Good stuff.! Thanks! 21:06 wizzyrea hello, thanks :) 21:06 xekhz i hired a service in portugal 21:06 xekhz and they did not get it up and running so im am here 21:06 wizzyrea oh, um... xercode? 21:07 xekhz i have know a ner 21:07 xekhz nwe 21:08 xekhz new, koha install with the default data for the unimarc 21:08 xekhz i will now import my backedup framework and rebuild zebra 21:08 xekhz should this work ? 21:08 wizzyrea well you should see if it works with the default first 21:08 wizzyrea and what i would do 21:08 xekhz yes it works 21:08 wizzyrea would not modify your default 21:08 xekhz with the default 21:08 wizzyrea copy it, and edit your copy 21:09 wizzyrea so, make a new framework, and import over that new framework 21:09 wizzyrea not over default. 21:09 xekhz ok 21:09 wizzyrea then, add records using that new framework 21:09 wizzyrea if it doesn't work, then you know you've done something to your framework 21:10 wizzyrea and if you tell us exactly what you're doing, maybe we can help you avoid the problem 21:10 xekhz oki 21:10 xekhz im importing old framework 21:10 xekhz and left the default one intact 21:10 xekhz ok, done importing 21:11 xekhz i have mow the MONO, and the DEFAULT Framework 21:11 xekhz i rebuild zebra and it is ok 21:11 xekhz should i had a record ? 21:15 xekhz i added a record, rebuild zebra and got this 21:15 xekhz ==================== 21:15 xekhz REINDEXING zebra 21:15 xekhz ==================== 21:15 xekhz 21:13:21-13/03 zebraidx(29857) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) 21:15 xekhz same thing 21:17 wizzyrea well you have to have a record otherwise there's nothing to index 21:17 wizzyrea does your book use mono or default as its framework? 21:17 wizzyrea record* 21:18 xekhz i used mono 21:18 wizzyrea ok, then try this 21:18 wizzyrea edit your record, 21:19 wizzyrea set the framework to default 21:19 wizzyrea it should index 21:19 wizzyrea if it *doesn't* then you have a bigger problem 21:19 xekhz how can i find my record ? 21:20 wizzyrea well, you can go into reports -> create from sql 21:20 wizzyrea select biblionumber from biblio 21:20 wizzyrea that will give you all of the biblionumbers 21:20 wizzyrea currently in your db (you only have 1, I assume?) 21:21 rangi back 21:21 wizzyrea wb 21:21 xekhz yes 21:22 wizzyrea you can then /cgi-bin/koha/catalogue/detail.pl?biblionumber=thenumber 21:22 wizzyrea your domain name in front of course 21:22 xekhz 21:20:50-13/03 zebraidx(29985) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) 21:22 xekhz same error 21:22 wizzyrea did you use packages to install? 21:22 xekhz yes 21:23 wizzyrea rangi do you know of any bugs with unimarc and packages? 21:23 wizzyrea specifically with the frameworks? 21:23 xekhz 3.6.4-1 21:23 xekhz no i dont know any problems 21:23 xekhz i will install again and insert the book in the defaulr 21:23 xekhz framework 21:23 wizzyrea naw I was asking the people who might know 21:23 xekhz and reindex zebra... 21:26 rangi wizzyrea: dunno if anyone has tried, but it's possible there might be, however that part is all done with the webinstaller .. so I dont think it would be package specific 21:26 rangi you are using koha-common 21:27 rangi and then calling koha-create eh? 21:39 sturmtruppen hi #koha 21:40 rangi ohh i like bug 7709 21:40 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7709 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Cover Images Template plugin 21:43 xekhz ?? 21:43 xekhz no im using debian 21:44 rangi yes 21:44 xekhz and i have a package called koha that does the confids 21:44 rangi the koha-common package? 21:44 xekhz configs 21:44 rangi ahhh 21:44 rangi dont use that 21:44 xekhz koha and koha-common 21:44 xekhz 2 packages 21:44 rangi just use koha-common 21:44 xekhz there is adoubt in my mind 21:44 xekhz cuase 21:44 rangi the koha pacakge is a work in progress, not ready for production yet 21:45 xekhz cause the error only appears when i add fields to the framework 21:45 rangi koha-common works fine, if you use the instructions which i will just find for you 21:45 xekhz ok 21:45 rangi but if the rest of it is working ok, only when you change the framework that it breaks, it might not be caused by the package 21:46 rangi hmm i cant get to the wiki 21:46 rangi debian packages? 21:46 wahanui debian packages are at debian.koha-community.org 21:46 xekhz yes 21:46 rangi trying to find the url of the instructions 21:47 rangi koha is similar, but provides a single site. At the moment however, this site can't be managed by the tools that come with the package, and so you will need to set up the cron jobs and zebra for it yourself. See bug 5071 for plans to fix this. It is not recommend that you use this package yet. 21:47 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5071 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Make the 'koha' package set things up so that zebra etc. just work 21:47 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian 21:49 xekhz ok 21:49 xekhz i have already follow that guide 21:50 mbalmer so SIP is working 1A and I get to zzz 21:53 xekhz well, something 21:53 xekhz must be busted 21:53 xekhz i reintalled it 21:53 xekhz and inserted the record in the default framework 21:54 xekhz got same error 21:54 xekhz 21:52:08-13/03 zebraidx(31179) [warn] Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number) 21:54 xekhz 21:54 jcamins_away xekhz: if you used the koha package, that's why. You need to use koha-common. 21:54 xekhz just the koha-common ? 21:55 jcamins_away xekhz: and then follow the instructions for using koha-create, etc. 21:55 xekhz ok 21:55 xekhz did not see the koha-create 21:56 xekhz is koha-create a command ? 21:56 jcamins_away Yes it is. 21:57 xekhz ok 21:58 jcamins_away xekhz: I think rangi gave you a link with instructions. 21:58 xekhz im following it now 22:06 xekhz ok 22:06 xekhz run koha-create 22:06 xekhz made the apache stuf 22:07 xekhz now using the webinstaller 22:07 xekhz correct ? 22:07 rangi yup 22:07 xekhz on it 22:08 xekhz sample_patrons.sql 22:08 xekhz ERROR 1452 (23000) at line 1: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails (`koha_portel`.`borrowers`, CONSTRAINT `borrowers_ibfk_2` FOREIGN KEY (`branchcode`) REFERENCES `branches` (`branchcode`)) 22:08 xekhz on webinstall 22:08 xekhz but i can proceed 22:09 cait koha_portel? 22:10 xekhz yup 22:10 xekhz portel is the name of my townhall 22:11 mbalmer re 22:14 xekhz what should i do now ? 22:14 xekhz inser a record 22:16 xekhz item added 22:18 xekhz i have added the record 22:19 xekhz and it is already displayed 22:19 xekhz in the OPAC 22:19 xekhz is zebra always running ? 22:19 sturmtruppen yup 22:22 xekhz i am now importing the framework made by the libraryan 22:23 xekhz how long does it take to appear in the OPCA ? 22:24 sturmtruppen all the items? 22:24 xekhz i just inserted a record 22:25 xekhz i think the zebra fucks up with my framework 22:25 sturmtruppen you have to recompile the index 22:26 sturmtruppen rebuild the index with the zebra command 22:27 xekhz zebraidx or rebuild_zebra.pl 22:27 sturmtruppen the second 22:27 wahanui the second is by design 22:29 xekhz i had to do the following 22:29 xekhz ln -s /etc/koha/sites/portel/koha-conf.xml /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml 22:29 xekhz and then 22:29 xekhz perl rebuil_zerbra.pl -a -b 22:30 sturmtruppen just perl rebuil_zerbra.pl -a -b 22:30 xekhz how do i give the koha-conf.xml to the rebuild_zebra.pl 22:30 libsysguy export it to your path 22:30 libsysguy sorry for butting in 22:30 jcamins_away xekhz: didn't you use the packages? 22:30 * libsysguy butts out again 22:30 jcamins_away xekhz: use sudo koha-rebuild-zebra portel 22:31 xekhz ok 22:32 xekhz http://mail.cm-portel.pt:81 22:32 xekhz i can now find the record test 22:32 xekhz :) 22:33 xekhz i will add another one 22:33 xekhz to be sure 22:36 xekhz using the koha-rebuild-zebra 22:36 xekhz it does not says nothing as output 22:36 jcamins_away xekhz: Zebra is automatically rebuilt every 10 minutes with the packages. 22:36 xekhz what if i dont want to wayt? 22:36 jcamins_away xekhz: in that case you can run it manually. 22:37 jcamins_away I'm just telling you because I wasn't sure you knew that. ;) 22:37 xekhz ok thanks 22:37 xekhz :) 22:37 xekhz i have got it 22:37 xekhz thanks for the help 22:37 xekhz i have now 2 records in the database 22:37 xekhz and they can be found 22:38 xekhz im new to koha, so im sorry for the stupid questions i made 22:38 jcamins_away xekhz: no worries. We all had to start somewhere. 22:39 xekhz im a system maintener not a lybrarian :) 22:40 xekhz should i register my nick in here 22:40 xekhz ? 22:40 jcamins_away Probably not necessary. 22:40 xekhz ok 22:40 xekhz thanks 22:40 * jcamins_away forgot how to identify with nickserv, and so far hasn't run into any problems.