IRC log for #koha, 2011-09-22

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00:00 jcamins_away Time for pizza.
00:00 jcamins_away Good night, #koha
00:01 eythian cy
00:01 eythian a
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01:28 mozi hi, can anyone give me a reliable koha installation guide for debian squeeze?
01:28 eythian jcamins_away: I've updated the NRPE file to one that actually has content
01:28 eythian mozi:[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
01:29 mozi thanks, but i have problem issuing the apt-get install koha-common
01:29 mozi it does not install the dependencies
01:29 eythian yes it does.
01:30 mozi hmm, this is the message: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation:  The following packages have unmet dependen
01:30 mozi is there something wrong with my debian installation?
01:30 eythian you'll have to pastebin the whole message, you've missed the important bits.
01:30 rangi
01:31 eythian
01:31 eythian err
01:31 eythian yeah
01:31 eythian that
01:31 pastebot "mozi" at pasted "koha installation error" (70 lines) at
01:31 mozi done
01:32 eythian I hate that message, it doesn't tell you where the problem actually is.
01:32 mozi yeah, it gives me headaches
01:32 eythian try manually installing libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl
01:32 eythian it has a different message after it
01:33 eythian (by manually I mean using apt-get on it alone)
01:33 mozi ill try
01:33 eythian if that fails, see what apt-cache policy libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl says
01:34 mozi it failed
01:34 eythian in what way
01:34 eythian ?
01:34 pastebot "mozi" at pasted "failed" (7 lines) at
01:35 eythian that looks correct to me
01:35 mozi ill try issuing the install command
01:35 pastebot "mozi" at pasted "failed" (7 lines) at
01:35 eythian what happens when you try to install it?
01:36 mozi that is the message
01:36 eythian hmm
01:36 eythian I'm pretty sure they're both in Debian, unless something's changed...
01:36 * eythian looks
01:36 mozi debian is freshly installed
01:37 mozi following the procedure at this link:[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
01:37 jcamins_away eythian: awesome! Thanks!
01:40 eythian mozi: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list?
01:40 mozi ok
01:40 eythian <-- this is what you should see
01:41 pastebot "mozi" at pasted "sources.list" (15 lines) at
01:41 eythian ahh
01:41 eythian your sources are wrong
01:41 mozi ow
01:41 mozi what should be my sources?
01:41 pastebot "eythian" at pasted "example of a correct sources.list" (13 lines) at
01:42 mozi ok i'll try
01:42 eythian you haven't told apt how to download the dependencies, that's why it's failing.
01:45 mozi waaa, its working now!!
01:45 eythian awesome :)
01:45 mozi eythian, you are really a lifesaver
01:45 mozi thank you so much, i really am greatful
01:45 eythian no worries, good luck with the rest of the setup :)
01:46 mozi :) thanks raised to infinity
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01:54 Judit hi
01:56 Judit when sending out notices for patrons: can i send the same message to 2 different email addresses( home email adr and work email adr)?
01:57 eythian Not built in that I know of, no.
01:58 Judit :/
01:59 Judit can you choose or the first available
01:59 eythian I think it'll always take from the primary email field
01:59 eythian but, I haven't checked the code.
02:00 Judit thanks
02:22 eythian is down again?
02:23 eythian http://www.downforeveryoneorju[…] <-- looks like yes
02:23 mozi hi, how do i use the koha-create?
02:23 mozi i cannot seem to run my koha web installation
02:23 eythian "man koha-create"
02:27 mozi what should be my instance_name?
02:27 eythian whatever you like. TYpically the name of your library or whatever.
02:28 Judit the name of yourlibrary
02:28 mozi why is it not working?
02:28 Judit ehm
02:28 eythian You'll have to give us more to go on than that.
02:29 Judit what is not working? you cannot enter the name of your library
02:29 mozi can i use ip address, instead of names to access koha?
02:29 mozi im trying to access it via network
02:29 mozi but im stuck at koha-create :(
02:30 eythian yes, but you do that later.
02:30 eythian you still haven't told us why you're stuck.
02:30 mozi i cannot create a koha instance
02:31 Judit why not< what happens when you enter then ame
02:31 Judit the name
02:31 mozi it shows me the syntax
02:31 eythian OK, then you're entering it wrong.
02:31 eythian Give us more information.
02:31 mozi i tried using koha-create hslibrary
02:32 Judit how long isthe name you are trying to enter?
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02:32 eythian mozi: you didn't read the man page
02:32 eythian hmm, actually, that's not clear in the man page
02:33 eythian you need to provide one of --create-db|--request-db|--populate-db
02:33 mozi ow
02:33 eythian ohh, the example is wrong too
02:33 mozi i tried doing koha-create --createdb hslibrary
02:33 * eythian fixes that.
02:33 eythian yeah, that should work. Except there's a bug in 3.4.4 where it'll say "doesn't exist"
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02:34 eythian just add "--configfile /etc/koha/koha-site.conf"
02:34 eythian to avoid that message
02:37 mozi thanks ethian, everything is well now. :)
02:38 eythian cool
02:38 mozi and one more thing
02:38 mozi cant access the port 8080, haha
02:39 eythian have you defined it to be on port 8080?
02:40 pastebot "mozi" at pasted "koha-sites" (5 lines) at
02:41 mozi that is my koha sites conf
02:41 eythian OK, you're telling it to be on port 80, so it won't be on port 8080.
02:42 Judit how put the google custom search box to search all version ofthe manual on the website?
02:42 mozi how do i open them both?
02:42 Judit i want to offer him/her chocolate/- a lot :)
02:42 rangi wizzyrea did
02:43 rangi one for the mailing lists too
02:43 eythian mozi: you'll have to edit your apache config to set that up as you want it.
02:43 eythian /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/instancename
02:43 mozi ow ok
02:43 eythian where instancename is whatever you called your library
02:43 eythian also, you'll have to make sure that you've told apache to use port 8080 as well
02:43 rangi[…]ha-mailing-lists/
02:45 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4877] Create and update the manual pages for the koha-* scripts. <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4877>
03:02 mozi where can i locate the koha-conf.xml?
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03:06 eythian /etc/koha/sites/whatever/koha-conf.xml
03:09 mozi thanks, all is good now.
03:09 mozi it was really a hard journey.
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03:25 wajasu if i see a bug, ie.[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2246 ,  and its on master. Whats going to get it to a release? Is it in 3.4.4, or is it due to go to 3.6?
03:25 huginn Bug 2246: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters
03:26 eythian wajasu: the answer is "it depends"
03:26 eythian typically bugfixes go into 3.4 if they're not too invasive.
03:26 eythian (which they shouldn't be)
03:27 wajasu I guess I can manully apply it in my test environment, and see if it fixed things.
03:27 eythian yep
03:28 rangi hmm 2246 i pushed to master a long time ago
03:29 rangi id imagine that was in 3.4.x already, and if not im sure chris_n would push it
03:31 rangi (yup its in 3.4.x)
03:32 rangi probably in 3.4.2, def in 3.4.3 and later
03:34 wajasu i see it there.
03:35 rangi pretty much all bug fixes make it into 3.4.x
03:35 rangi
03:35 rangi the features wont
03:35 wajasu what I'm trying to find out is how to get  Jurgen, or Soren, showing u with 2 dots above.  Diacritics in labels.
03:35 rangi yeah thats a pdf issue
03:36 rangi you missed a whole big discussion on that this morning
03:36 rangi lemme find it
03:36 wajasu please
03:36 wajasu i'll read the irc logs.
03:38 rangi actually the comments on that bug explain it
03:38 wajasu yeah
03:38 rangi the real fix is to rewrite the label generator to generate html
03:39 rangi and have the browser to the html->pdf conversion
03:39 wajasu that make sense
03:39 rangi[…]11-09-21#i_769912
03:40 rangi maybe have a chat with chris_N
03:42 wajasu the other thing my library wants is  "courses, etc", so professors can tag their syllabus, for a course.  Maybe tags can suffice.
03:42 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6205] not found. <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6205>
03:42 rangi you could use tags
03:42 rangi theres probably a marc field you could use too, but tags would allow the professors to do it
03:42 rangi or lists
03:43 wajasu ahh lists.
03:43 wajasu i'll give it a try.
03:43 rangi cool
03:46 mozi hi, is zebra automatically index the biblios?
03:47 eythian mozi: yes, but sometimes you have to kickstart it the first time.
03:47 eythian sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart
03:47 eythian and then sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v instancename
03:48 mozi thanks!
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04:34 cait morning #koha
04:34 eythian Hi cait
04:34 cait hi mr robin :)
04:35 rangi morning cait
04:38 cait morning rangi
04:49 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6253] Unified Patron Search subroutine <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6253>
04:50 eythian[…]w-zealand/100153/
04:51 Judit1 photoshop!!! it is all fog and rain, i know
04:51 eythian we put that on specially for you
04:55 Judit1 wow, i didnt know rugby was this interesting
04:56 eythian heh
04:56 Judit1 i dont really get picture 34
04:57 eythian that game seemed pretty unfair really
04:57 eythian it's a guy skiing.
04:57 Judit1 without feets?
04:57 Judit1 in teh air?
04:58 Judit1 i understand the air part i dont get the no feet part
05:01 eythian when skiing you wear skis.
05:01 eythian otherwise you sink in the snow
05:01 Judit1 on your feet
05:01 Judit1 right?
05:06 eythian yep. As you can see, that person has feet. Otherwise the skis would fall off.
05:08 Judit1 hmm
05:08 Judit1 okay, what is the ski- i thought it's the leg
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05:29 Irma G'day #Koha
05:33 eythian Judit1: ah. I guess you're suffering snow blindness then.
05:34 Judit1 blablabla
05:34 cait lol
05:34 eythian you would say that.
05:37 Judit1 well,i have no problem understanding photo 18, 19 20
05:45 eythian eh, that's normal for Dunedin
05:46 Judit1 must be a nice please
05:46 Judit1 place
05:46 Judit1 :)
05:47 eythian It's usually cold and often wet
05:57 Judit1 rangi
05:57 Judit1 could you please give me that link you gave me tuesday night
05:59 cait I think he is having dinner
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06:42 reiveune hello
06:42 wahanui hi, reiveune
06:44 rangi hi reiveune
06:44 reiveune hi everybody
06:44 alex_a1 hi
06:44 rangi hi alex_a1
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06:45 alex_a morning rangi
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06:56 francharb hello #koha
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07:19 kf good morning #koha
07:19 alex_a hello kf !
07:19 kf hi alex_a :)
07:19 alex_a :)
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08:44 miguel hello all
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08:53 hdl hi miguel
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09:08 vfernandes hi Koha community :)
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09:38 kf @wunder Konstanz
09:38 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.1�C (11:34 AM CEST on September 22, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Falling).
09:39 rangi @wunder wellington nz
09:39 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (9:00 PM NZST on September 22, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
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10:05 kf magnus_away++ #nice slides!
10:05 Brooke where where where?
10:05 kf[…]/floss-cph201109/
10:05 kf and go to bed!
10:05 Brooke no, it's nearly dawn :P
10:05 kf oh, not that early perhaps
10:09 Brooke I think 2593 is now my favourite bug.
10:11 kf bug 2593
10:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2593 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, CLOSED FIXED, way to duplicate items
10:11 kf hm that's old
10:11 Brooke yes
10:11 kf oh!
10:11 Brooke but it's my favourite because of magnuse's slide of it
10:11 kf sorry
10:12 Brooke starts in one country
10:12 Brooke funded in another
10:12 Brooke addressed by a dev in a third
10:12 Brooke fed upstream
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12:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6900 - line break between available and reference items <[…]01f47c497e22e6fd3> / Bug 6360 - add some more sounds to some happenings on returns <[…]82f14e66471b3ec98> / bug_6576: Submit when changing framework rather then reloading <http://git.koha-communi
12:26 huginn New commit(s) kohagit32: Corrects a problem with the wrong date being updated in <[…]ba4ba63eac896e0db> / Bug 6518 : XSS errors <[…]434104be0859ff9c0> / Updating Version Number to <[…]tdiff;h=65510168b
12:49 oleonard Anyone awake for a holds policy question?
12:50 oleonard If I set a rule for an item type under "Holds policy by item type for all libraries" to "From Home Library" in circulation rules, will that prevent items from other libraries from being allocated for holds on that item?
12:50 * oleonard has never tried it before
13:06 hdl oleonard:  ?
13:07 oleonard We want holds for a certain item type to only be fulfilled with items held by that branch
13:07 hdl oleonard: it should.
13:07 hdl iirc it does.
13:07 hdl (on official release.)
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13:10 oleonard Our production installation is a little behind, but official. Here's something I'm confused about:
13:10 oleonard I'm logged in at the Chauncey branch. Why is it blocking holds on the Chauncey copy?
13:10 oleonard Is it looking instead at *my* home library? That doesn't seem right.
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13:11 oleonard sekjal: I'd be interested in your feedback on the questions I asked just before you arrived.
13:12 sekjal oleonard:  checking logs...
13:13 sekjal reading...
13:15 sekjal oleonard: that's the way it should work
13:15 sekjal now, whether it's working right...
13:16 * oleonard will try to reproduce that setup in his testing environment
13:16 sekjal hmmm... it does seem to be checking your branch, not the logged in branch
13:17 oleonard It seems like it really ought to be contingent on what the chosen pickup branch is?
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13:18 sekjal oleonard:  the choice of branch is governed by ReservesControlBranch
13:19 sekjal bug 5800
13:19 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5800 normal, P3, ---, ian.walls, NEW , Hold Policy "home library only" incompatible with CircControl "patron home library"
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13:29 oleonard We don't have CircControl set to PatronHomeLibrary, so I don't think that bug applies?
13:37 sekjal but you do have ReservesControlBranch set to the patron's branch....  perhaps the bug has evolved since it's initial report (or I didn't report it in enough detail)
13:38 sekjal in any case, the branch that governs CanItemBeReserved() is determined by ReservesControlBranch
13:47 wizzyrea so the problem is that you can't place a hold on an item from another branch when the pickup location is set to that branch?
13:47 wizzyrea and you are or are not independent branches?
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13:49 oleonard No independent branches. I want to make sure that holds on a particular item type are only filled by items held by that library
13:49 oleonard I don't want other libraries to find their copies on the holds queue list to be transferred to another branch.
13:50 wizzyrea ah so you want local hold
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13:50 wizzyrea here's the deal
13:50 wizzyrea I think
13:50 wizzyrea you need to have local hold rules for every branch
13:50 wizzyrea default rules for what to do with local hold and no hold items
13:50 wizzyrea I have been down this road
13:51 wizzyrea fought exactly what you are fighting for months
13:51 wizzyrea before we figured out that the rules don't work the way one expects
13:51 wizzyrea so, for example
13:51 wizzyrea basehor wants to have itype local hold, and tongie has no rules defined for what to do with local hold
13:51 wizzyrea a tongie patron can still place a hold on a basehor local hold item
13:52 wizzyrea until you add the rules to tongie
13:52 wizzyrea is that clear? if not, I can let you poke about our rules
13:52 wizzyrea so you can see what I mean
13:52 oleonard What do you mean by local hold rules for every branch?
13:52 wizzyrea sec, illustration
13:54 wizzyrea
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13:55 oleonard Does Jing take as long to load for you as it does for me?
13:55 wizzyrea it's taking a long time this morning for sure
13:56 wizzyrea is it always slow?
13:56 * wizzyrea considers the idea of finding something better
13:57 oleonard I find that the Jing application always takes forever to load on my computer. The site is fine.
13:57 wizzyrea windows?
13:57 wahanui i think windows is a poor fit for free software like Koha. Some of the thing's we use heavily are not easily available at the moment. No-one's funded Koha 3.x for Windows and I'm not sure who'd be willing to work on it. You are probably best off using a liveCD for testing, then commissioning a GNU/Linux server.
13:57 wizzyrea lul
13:57 wizzyrea s
13:57 oleonard Thanks for getting that off your chest wahanui
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13:58 wizzyrea tell us how you really feel.
13:58 oleonard wizzyrea: So basically you have to be sure to have a rule set up for each library, don't expect the defaults to trickle down
13:58 wizzyrea exactly
13:58 wizzyrea and if you have special rules for certain patron cats
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13:59 wizzyrea you'll need to define the local hold rules for those categories as well
13:59 wizzyrea as soon as you define one different rule for a patron category, you have to define the local hold rules
13:59 wizzyrea for that patron cat
13:59 wizzyrea illustration, 1mo
14:00 wizzyrea
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14:01 wizzyrea druthb actually figured this all out back in the day
14:01 wizzyrea druthb++
14:01 * druthb perks.
14:01 druthb wha'd I do?
14:02 wizzyrea figuring out that the circ rules don't cascade properly for local hold/walkin
14:02 * oleonard starts building his own hovercraft based on druthb's instructions
14:02 druthb ah, yes.
14:02 * druthb giggles at oleonard.
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14:04 wizzyrea nekls is kind of the local hold/no hold expert :P
14:06 oleonard Here's what we've got our holds in a bunch about:[…]blionumber=253660
14:07 wizzyrea oh. my.
14:07 wizzyrea interesting!
14:07 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
14:07 wizzyrea tell us how you really feel.
14:07 wahanui I think that Windows is the devil, DRM should be illegal, and that libre software is all you should ever use, ever.
14:07 * wizzyrea giggles
14:07 druthb wahanui: botsnack Sausage, Egg & Cheese McGriddles
14:08 wahanui :)
14:08 * wizzyrea looks forward to the day when wahanui becomes self-aware
14:08 oleonard wahanui becomes self-aware and says, "You've been feeding me what?!"
14:08 wahanui oleonard: excuse me?
14:09 druthb I would feed him a botsnack of windows 8 engineers, but they're full of fluff and not very filling.
14:09 trea like marshmallow peeps, with clip on ties.
14:09 wizzyrea @quote add druthb: I would feed wahanui a botsnack of windows 8 engineers, but they're full of fluff and not very filling. trea: like marshmallow peeps, with clip on ties.
14:09 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #156 added.
14:10 druthb and pocket protectors!  Mustn't forget those!
14:10 wizzyrea lol
14:10 druthb @quote search wizzyrea
14:10 huginn druthb: 17 found: #105: "* wizzyrea would like to note that you do *not*...", #114: "chris_n: maybe you mean black magic with...", #118: "wizzyrea: lavamind is erupting patches all over...", #147: "<wizzyrea> a watched query never finishes.", #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon...", #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!", #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me", #25: (2 more messages)
14:10 druthb @more
14:10 huginn druthb: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each...", #32: "<wizzyrea> oh, things are not right in the...", #49: "wizzyrea: KOHAKONG: Stomping all other ILS's", #52: "<wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers", #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical...", #65: "<wizzyrea_> koha doesn't make you pizza... it...", #70: "<wizzyrea> owen: I have a jquery... um... query...", #83: "<wizzyrea> you (1 more message)
14:10 druthb @more
14:10 huginn druthb: can watch the sunrise around the...", #87: "<wizzyrea> my standard reply for that is you...", and #8: "< wizzyrea> in my experience the transition to..."
14:11 oleonard I like the ambiguous incompleteness of those
14:11 druthb yep.
14:11 trea "i mean, the point of american bacon..."
14:11 trea nuff said.
14:11 wizzyrea and "holy flaming bacon, batman!
14:12 wizzyrea @quote get 70
14:12 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #70: "<wizzyrea> owen: I have a jquery... um... query for you" (added by jdavidb at 02:30 PM, April 01, 2010)
14:12 wizzyrea @quote get 65
14:12 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #65: "<wizzyrea_> koha doesn't make you pizza... it only makes you pizza metadata" (added by gmcharlt at 05:00 PM, March 02, 2010)
14:12 * wizzyrea ponders this
14:12 * druthb dubs wizzyrea the Queen of Quotes.
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14:14 wizzyrea oh that's poo, i'm sure rangi has at least as many good ones
14:14 wizzyrea @quote list rangi
14:14 huginn wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
14:14 wizzyrea @quote search rangi
14:14 huginn wizzyrea: 8 found: #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad...", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #130: "rangi: or you could save time and just slam...", #135: "rangi: $tempate->{VARS}->{'LoginBranchname'} -...", #142: "Pianohacker: hrm. What's the plural of ILS...", #146: "rangi: when I was at brendans house we went to...", #153: "<rangi> merging code in git doesn't make (1 more message)
14:14 wizzyrea @more
14:14 huginn wizzyrea: me...", and #154: "rangi: it's destined to be an eternal mystery"
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14:14 wizzyrea @quote search druth
14:14 huginn wizzyrea: 3 found: #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!", #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the", and #156: "druthb: I would feed wahanui a botsnack of..."
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14:15 wizzyrea @quote search owen
14:15 huginn wizzyrea: 17 found: #108: "<owen> As Pee-wee said, Everyone I know has a...", #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little...", #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!", #22: "<jdavidb> owen: you wouldn't know this, being...", #28: "<owen> I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around...", #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!", #41: "owen: Being an ass doesn't qualify as a medical...", #60: (2 more messages)
14:15 wizzyrea @more
14:15 huginn wizzyrea: "<owen> My 9-month-old may not be walking yet,...", #70: "<wizzyrea> owen: I have a jquery... um... query...", #73: "<chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick...", #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote...", #76: "<owen> yes, it's all part of my plan to take...", #81: "<owen> Free beer *and* free puppy, but be...", #85: "owen: Nothing says embracing my geekness like...", #88: "<owen> (1 more message)
14:15 wizzyrea @more
14:15 huginn wizzyrea: I'm a crazed branch-creating maniac", #89: "<owen> We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of...", and #96: "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know..."
14:15 druthb @quote get 22
14:15 huginn druthb: Quote #22: "<jdavidb> owen: you wouldn't know this, being the skinny thing you are, but it is also good for maintaining a panoramic physique, like mine." (added by gmcharlt at 04:24 PM, August 06, 2009)
14:16 oleonard @quote get 41
14:16 huginn oleonard: Quote #41: "owen: Being an ass doesn't qualify as a medical condition ;)" (added by jwagner at 03:13 PM, October 16, 2009)
14:16 wizzyrea @quote get 81
14:16 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #81: "<owen> Free beer *and* free puppy, but be careful: the puppy is drunk." (added by druthb at 01:47 PM, June 28, 2010)
14:16 druthb That jdavidb fellow sure sounds like me.  What a clever fellow!
14:16 wizzyrea rofl
14:16 oleonard I love quote 41, if I do say so myself.
14:16 wizzyrea @quote get 41
14:16 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #41: "owen: Being an ass doesn't qualify as a medical condition ;)" (added by jwagner at 03:13 PM, October 16, 2009)
14:17 wizzyrea @quote get 12
14:17 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 06:36 PM, July 06, 2009)
14:17 * wizzyrea snorts
14:17 wizzyrea great now I've got water on my keyboard.
14:18 wizzyrea @quote search chris
14:18 huginn wizzyrea: 14 found: #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the...", #110: "chris: im rm, not god", #114: "chris_n: maybe you mean black magic with...", #115: "chris: friends don't let friends use...", #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't...", #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt", #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo...", #39: "chris <chris> nope, ive made (1 more message)
14:18 wizzyrea @more
14:18 huginn wizzyrea: it my aim in life...", #73: "<chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick...", #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote...", #77: "*chris_n wants to know if nengard figures out...", #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase...", #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know,...", and #97: "chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the..."
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14:23 Danielle o/
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14:41 libsysguy1 ok so I got a weird error yesterday and I wanted to ask for your thoughts
14:41 libsysguy1 http://paste.koha-community.or[…]bmit=Format+it%21
14:42 slef I wonder how other subjects with parentheses fare
14:43 slef looks like they might need escaping, at first glance
14:43 slef but I don't know CCL
14:44 slef hrrrm... CCL not CQL?
14:44 wizzyrea libsysguy1: idk for sure
14:44 libsysguy1 hmm
14:44 wizzyrea but does this record have an 880?
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14:45 libsysguy i can look
14:45 libsysguy one set
14:45 wizzyrea it jingles my mind on something kf found yesterday
14:45 slef wahanui: CCL?
14:45 wahanui CCL is not a standard... It needs configuration
14:45 slef hrm
14:45 wizzyrea and fixed
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14:49 slef wizzyrea: anything on
14:49 slef[…]esc%2Cchangeddate look
14:49 slef familiar?
14:50 slef hrm, that's most recent at bottom, but bleah
14:50 libsysguy there is no 880
14:50 wizzyrea bug 6901
14:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6901 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Add CSS classes/ids to OPAC and staff XSLT views
14:50 wizzyrea k
14:50 wizzyrea then it's not that
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15:11 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6801] Patron details page slow to load when many checkouts present <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6801>
15:21 * chris_n looks around for oleonard
15:21 * oleonard waves
15:22 chris_n which jquery date selector were we thinking of switching to?
15:22 * chris_n seems to remember a discussion about that recently
15:22 chris_n or are we happy with what we currently use?
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15:23 oleonard I have a branch in progress which aims to convert all possible js widgets to use jqueryUI
15:23 oleonard chris_n: Do you ask because you need to add a date selector?
15:24 chris_n well, to another app I'm working on; so I figured if I was going to learn one, I'd learn the one we plan to use in Koha and get extra mileage from the hike up the learning curve :-)
15:25 * chris_n passes oleonard donuts and coffee in thanks
15:25 libsysguy chris_n shouldn't we use one with a time selector as well?
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15:25 oleonard The jqueryUI one is dead simple to use in its basic form, and not too hard to grasp in its more complex configurations
15:26 chris_n libsysguy: for things like hourly loans?
15:26 libsysguy indeed
15:26 oleonard libsysguy: There are very few places where a time selector is required. It's more important that we be switching to a broad framework that will cover a lot of cases.
15:26 oleonard We can always add in plugins for things which aren't covered.
15:27 chris_n oooo... drag and drop functions
15:27 * libsysguy has done stuff like that
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15:29 libsysguy it was interesting
15:29 oleonard Here's my jqueryUI branch if anyone wants to test/see my progress[…]ery-ui-2011-04-12
15:37 chris_n very snazzy themes too
15:39 chris_n oleonard: I've been doing some extensive work with datatables again
15:39 chris_n I think it has a lot of potential for koha
15:39 oleonard Did you see the bugs with Biblibre's work with it?
15:39 chris_n no, I did not
15:40 chris_n do they have a branch for it?
15:40 chris_n using ajax calls to the back end makes things snappy
15:41 oleonard Bug 6836 for the groundwork
15:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6836 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , jQuery plugin Datatables integration
15:41 oleonard bug 6838 for an implementation
15:41 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6838 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , Filtering and pagination in subscriptions table
15:42 oleonard I think they've done more in their own branches which I don't know about
15:43 chris_n I'll have a look at it
15:50 wizzyrea bug 6825 - advice on testing patches that introduce db revisions?
15:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6825 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , OpacNav menu hide user menu on page
15:51 wizzyrea things like - back up your db first so you can roll back
15:51 wizzyrea that is to say, I'm looking for advice on this
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15:51 wizzyrea as if by magic, she appears just as I was thinking of her. :)
15:51 * kf hides
15:51 wizzyrea no no
15:51 * wizzyrea offers cookies
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15:52 * kf peeks out
15:52 wizzyrea hi nengard
15:52 kf hi nengard :)
15:53 nengard hiya
15:57 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3704: SIP Checkin of not checked out item returns error without reason <[…]ef63d0a06d5c674f0> / bug_4831: Use unitprice (actual cost) when totalling spent amounts for "All available... <[…]cbfadcf1dde75d8eb>
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16:16 wizzyrea kf what was the adventure we wanted to add to chorewars yesterday
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16:23 jenkins_koha Starting build 421 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
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16:26 kf wizzyrea: don't remember - logs?
16:26 wizzyrea i'm looking but I 'm not finding it
16:26 chris_n rangi is up early today
16:27 wizzyrea OH
16:27 wizzyrea I found it!
16:27 kf unit tests?
16:27 wizzyrea lol, I looked for "adventure"
16:27 wizzyrea no, but that's a good one too
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16:27 wizzyrea checking and fixing perl critic stuff
16:27 kf ah
16:27 kf plumbing
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16:27 kf now you have to make that sound adventurous and poetic
16:27 kf leaving - will be back
16:27 kf left #koha
16:27 wizzyrea later
16:31 wizzyrea bbiab
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17:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #421: UNSTABLE in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/421/
17:10 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_4831: Use unitprice (actual cost) when totalling spent amounts for "All available funds", as in "Already received"
17:10 jenkins_koha * katrin.fischer: Bug 3704: SIP Checkin of not checked out item returns error without reason
17:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3704 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, NEW , SIP Checkin of not checked out item returns error without additional reason
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17:15 cait hi #koha
17:16 cait bywater++ catalyst++ :)
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17:37 cait hi #koha
17:40 chris_n heya cait
17:40 cait hi chris_n :)
17:52 * chris_n tends to think that any single coding standard must be better than the great plurality of coding standards (or non-standards) that inevitably result from the lack of a (any) single standard
17:52 * cait agrees
17:53 oleonard Oh no, it has to be JUST THE RIGHT ONE.
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17:57 cait wb wizzyrea
17:57 wizzyrea tyty
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18:20 rangi morning
18:20 cait morning :)
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18:23 jenkins_koha Starting build 422 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #420 19 h ago)
18:23 wizzyrea this won't make it into 3.6, but is there anything anyone would like added to the reports-home page
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18:24 wizzyrea i'm adding a link to the schema and the report library on the wiki
18:24 wizzyrea any other resources that should be added?
18:29 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Alternate fix for Bug 2534 - Viewing items table on item edit screen requires horizon... <[…]c3c4f79d19131120b>
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18:34 oleonard git fetch timing out for anyone else?
18:35 wizzyrea it was vaguely poky for me just now
18:35 wizzyrea but it did work
18:37 wizzyrea oleonard: no, it's not currently timing out
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18:40 rangi it was down for a good part of last night for me
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18:49 sekjal we got hit by bingbot the other night
18:50 wizzyrea oleonard: is this ok?
18:51 wizzyrea they target=blank, so they open in a new tab
18:51 oleonard Why not put them in the left-hand sidebar?
18:51 * wizzyrea ponders
18:51 wizzyrea see this is why I ask you
18:51 wizzyrea :)
18:54 cait quick vote
18:54 cait working on bug 3941
18:54 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3941 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Combine Notices & Messaging Tabs
18:54 cait what do people like better - notices or messages?
18:54 cait not the tabs, the terms
18:55 * wizzyrea thinks about it
18:55 oleonard We use notices in Tools, so I would prefer that.
18:55 wizzyrea notices
18:56 rangi notices for me too
18:56 cait oki :)
18:57 oleonard I want to punch my internet connection in the face.
18:57 cait hm
18:57 cait could be a little hard
18:58 rangi yeah they duck and weave
18:58 rangi kick it in the nuts instead
18:58 rangi wow, i may have had too much coffee already this morning
18:59 rangi at its not 7 yet
18:59 rangi at=and
19:00 * wizzyrea giggles
19:00 * cait giggles too
19:05 wizzyrea better?
19:06 * oleonard will tell you when RDA is ready
19:06 wizzyrea pbbt
19:07 rangi heh
19:07 oleonard See, how long was that? Yes, better.
19:07 wizzyrea omg oleonard has turned into a bot
19:08 wizzyrea hehe
19:10 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
19:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #422: FIXED in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/422/
19:10 jenkins_koha oleonard: Alternate fix for Bug 2534 - Viewing items table on item edit screen requires horizontal scrolling
19:10 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2534 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Viewing items table on item edit screen requires horizontal scrolling
19:11 rangi take that
19:12 slef aieeee
19:12 rangi whoops did oleonard kick slef in the nuts instead of his internet connection?
19:13 oleonard That would be quite a reach
19:13 rangi dragonball z could do it
19:13 cait lol
19:13 rangi kamehameha!!!
19:13 cait suddenly feels like friday
19:13 rangi it is
19:13 wizzyrea calm down tweek
19:14 rangi and im going to the rugby tonight
19:14 trea rangi check the scanner! What's his power level?
19:14 rangi hehe
19:14 trea hehe
19:15 * oleonard is rockin' the downloads at 9.2KB/sec
19:15 rangi i think i know whats been killing the git server
19:15 slef its legitimate father?
19:15 rangi bing
19:16 rangi is downloading snapshots
19:16 slef oh I had a fun one last month: googlebot downloaded a perl script from my site like 1.2 million times
19:16 rangi yeah
19:16 rangi like that
19:16 rangi one snapshot for every commit
19:16 rangi on eery branch
19:16 rangi or every tag
19:17 slef yeah, no, this wasn't in git. It was a static file.
19:17 rangi ive wound down max connections in apache
19:17 rangi so it shouldnt oom the box again
19:17 slef yeah, apache tuning out of the box is horribly optimistic
19:17 rangi but we really should put a robots.txt in
19:18 rangi slef: yeah it sure
19:18 rangi is
19:19 slef I don't know if it works if you have nothing a2enmod'd
19:19 rangi i suspect if you are just serving static files
19:19 rangi small ones
19:19 rangi its fine
19:19 sekjal rangi:  I added a robots.txt to, but I probably didn't set it up right
19:19 slef but as soon as mod_php or similar is in there, you'd need about 30Gb of RAM for the defaults
19:19 rangi its 404ing
19:19 rangi slef: yup
19:20 rangi sekjal: ill have a look when i get to work
19:26 cait oleonard: around?
19:26 oleonard Yes
19:26 cait would you take a look at my file for the notices tab?
19:26 cait I implemented your suggestion
19:27 cait and I repaired the address display in the left column
19:27 cait but it doesn't look nice really
19:27 oleonard Sure
19:27 cait cool
19:27 cait want me to send oyu the patch directly?
19:27 oleonard Yes
19:28 cait ok
19:32 slef I've just met bug 6460. A bit surprised that QA can block a partial fix for a regression. Aren't regressions failures of QA really? Anyway, I'll hack that next.
19:32 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6460 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , No log generated if Action set to All or Modify or Delete
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19:44 kresp0 anyone knows how to delete all the items/books?
19:45 kresp0 i've inserted some books to test the installation and now i dont know how to delete it!
19:45 sekjal kresp0: you can delete them all in MySQL
19:45 sekjal there is no bulk biblio deletion through the staff client
19:45 sekjal bulk item deletion, sure, but not the biblios
19:46 kresp0 sekjal, then, i just have to delete the data on biblioitems table, right?
19:46 sekjal kresp0:  use "truncate biblio"
19:47 sekjal that'll clean out biblio, biblioitems and items (by cascade)
19:47 cait hm
19:47 kresp0 thanks sekjal
19:48 wizzyrea cleaning the indexes as well?
19:49 kresp0 searching "truncate biblio" on google i found this sql commands to do what i want:
19:50 wizzyrea clear indexes?
19:51 oleonard What does Drupal have to do with Koha in this case?
19:51 * wizzyrea was wondering as well
19:51 kresp0 ups
19:51 kresp0 oleonard, nothing :/
19:52 kresp0 wizzyrea, i dont know what are the koha indexes
19:52 wizzyrea no I was wondering if the bot had advice on it
19:53 wizzyrea[…]faq/searching/#20
19:53 wizzyrea is the next step
19:53 wizzyrea after truncate biblio
19:53 kresp0 thank you wizzyrea
19:53 rangi bbiab
19:53 rangi catching bus
19:53 wizzyrea sys
19:53 sekjal slef:  I'm inclined to agree with Paul on bug 6460.... fixing the values passed by the template, instead of altering the SQL to handle the shorter values
19:53 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6460 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , No log generated if Action set to All or Modify or Delete
19:54 slef sekjal: no value passed by the template will match everything, so a code change is still needed too. I'm coding it now.
19:55 sekjal slef:  okay, cool
19:55 slef sekjal: also seems like a mistake to leave it as PATCH-Sent and ASSIGNED for so long.
19:55 slef but that's a workflow thing
19:56 sekjal yeah, can't force code through the process.
20:00 slef Not seeing "Also note that your patch prevent to change the select to have a "MULTIPLE", that would be a handy feature." - that was a multiple in koha 3.2 I think.
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20:01 kresp0 wizzyrea, after doing "perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib -a -b -r" i've got this message:
20:01 kresp0 "unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 307."
20:02 rangi right on the bus, the only red white and blue thing I could find was my ny rangers hockey jersey
20:02 rangi ill be the clown at the rugby in an ice hockey jersey
20:02 rangi look for me on tv
20:02 wizzyrea that is win.
20:03 wizzyrea kresp0: you need to do
20:04 wizzyrea export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
20:04 wizzyrea and
20:04 wizzyrea export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
20:04 wizzyrea for a standard install
20:04 wizzyrea I guess I should have asked, dev install or standard?
20:05 wizzyrea or packages?
20:05 wahanui package info is at[…]on_Debian_Squeeze
20:05 kresp0 package install
20:06 wizzyrea oh there's a command to rebuild zebra for the packages
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20:06 wizzyrea somebody help me
20:06 rangi oh then use the tools listed on a link at the bottom of the wiki page
20:07 rangi on that page wizzyrea
20:07 kresp0 thank you very much wizzyrea, now the seems to work
20:07 rangi theres a link to the package scripts
20:07 kresp0 but i still see the books on the staff web
20:08 wizzyrea[…]e_Debian_packages
20:08 wizzyrea ty rangi
20:08 wizzyrea[…]oha-rebuild-zebra
20:09 wizzyrea kresp0: you probably want to run that koha-rebuild-zebra -f
20:09 wizzyrea since you're on packages
20:10 wizzyrea if you were using a standard or dev install it would be the other
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20:10 kresp0 wizzyrea, i've tried "koha-rebuild-zebra -r" and "koha-rebuild-zebra -f", but i still see the books on the web :/
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20:11 wizzyrea did you truncate biblio?
20:11 kresp0 yes
20:11 rangi and biblioitems?
20:11 kresp0 and biblioitems
20:11 kresp0 yes
20:11 kresp0 that tables are empty now
20:11 rangi and u are passing in the instance name eh?
20:11 kresp0 mmm... no
20:12 wizzyrea koha-mysql instancename would be the command to use, right?
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20:13 kresp0 tried "koha-rebuild-zebra -f biblio" but still no luck
20:13 rangi I was meaning the rebuild
20:13 * oleonard heads out
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20:13 rangi no the instance you created
20:13 rangi when u ran koha-create
20:13 rangi not the table name
20:13 kresp0 "biblio" is the name of the instance i've created
20:14 cait oleonard++ # ran out to fast but: thank you!
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20:15 rangi no idea then
20:15 wizzyrea if you click the links does it 404
20:15 wizzyrea after you search, if you click on a title does it return you a 404 kresp0
20:16 kresp0 "The record you requested does not exist (3)."
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20:17 wizzyrea so yea, they're gone
20:17 kresp0 yep, i can see the empty tables (biblio and biblioitems) on phpmyadmin
20:17 wizzyrea a full reindex on the packages, it is supposed to drop and recreate the indexes?
20:17 rangi im wondering if the permissions are messed up now
20:18 rangi because you ran it by hand
20:18 * wizzyrea frowns
20:18 wizzyrea that's my fault.
20:19 rangi the package scripts run as the user created when doing koha create
20:19 wizzyrea could try the rebuild with a -v
20:19 rangi take a look in /var/lib/koha
20:19 kresp0 i have a user named "biblio-koha" on my system
20:19 rangi yes
20:20 rangi so u need to check the zebra indexes are still owned by that
20:21 kresp0 "koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v biblio" output here:
20:21 kresp0 ok
20:21 wizzyrea skipping biblios
20:22 kresp0 biblio-koha is the owner of all files and dirs under /var/lib/koha
20:22 rangi cool
20:23 rangi he's something to try
20:23 rangi add one record
20:23 rangi then run the rebuild -f again
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20:23 slef attached bug 6460 first draft of a fix
20:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6460 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , No log generated if Action set to All or Modify or Delete
20:24 kresp0 ok rangi, one sec
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20:28 rangi bbiab
20:30 wizzyrea what's the deal with 6887?
20:32 sekjal wizzyrea:  sorry, I accidentally resent it
20:33 sekjal re-sent, not resent
20:33 wizzyrea oh, I thought that there was something wrong and the patch was spectacularly failing or something
20:34 wizzyrea an 'o god please don't push this into koha' thing
20:34 cait wizzyrea... do you want a cookie?
20:34 sekjal I must be getting tired; was trying to get another couple patches published before feature freeze
20:34 wizzyrea man I am having an afternoon, for sure.
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20:35 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6403] Record local use stats when checking in <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6403> / [Bug 6902] Add integration for EBSCO's Novelist Select service <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6902>
20:35 wizzyrea oh
20:35 wizzyrea I had a question earlier
20:35 wizzyrea regarding testing patches that revise the DB
20:35 wizzyrea best practices for that?
20:35 rangi backup
20:36 sekjal for bigger changes (like Hourly Loans), you could spin up a whole new database and repoint your koha-conf.xml at it
20:36 wizzyrea do you have to set the db number at all?
20:36 wizzyrea or is it ok to test with the x
20:37 cait bug 3941 awaiting sign-off :)
20:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3941 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Combine Notices & Messaging Tabs
20:37 * wizzyrea jumps on it
20:37 rangi bug 6205
20:37 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6205 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, REOPENED , not found.
20:37 rangi too
20:37 * cait send wizzyrea lots of cookies
20:37 cait I know
20:37 * cait jumps that
20:38 wizzyrea cait - new one on me
20:38 wizzyrea wait
20:38 wizzyrea i'm dumb
20:38 wizzyrea sec
20:39 wizzyrea ok it's fine i'm a maroon
20:39 cait no you are not - but you confused me
20:39 rangi hmm chocolate maroons
20:39 wizzyrea cait - beautiful!
20:39 cait glad you like it
20:40 cait oleonard and rangi helped
20:40 cait rangi++ oleonard++
20:40 wizzyrea cait++
20:40 wizzyrea i love that
20:40 wizzyrea works a treat too
20:40 rangi and we even learnt about a new cool TT filter
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20:40 wizzyrea oooOOOooo
20:41 cait I used one to get the line breaks :)
20:41 wizzyrea I like that a lot
20:41 cait but the hint came from rangi
20:41 kresp0 rangi: i created one record and then executed "koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v biblio" again. output:
20:42 cait wizzyrea: can you do some proof reading of the patch itself too?
20:42 cait make sure nothing has unintentionally crept in?
20:42 kresp0 rangi: now it works! :D thank you very much
20:45 kresp0 ty wizzyrea and everyone else too
20:45 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3941] Combine Notices & Messaging Tabs <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3941>
20:45 kresp0 bye
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20:48 sekjal wizzyrea, cait, rangi:  in an effort to make it easier to git-bz apply 3941, I'm obsoleting the two patch attachments prior to wizzyrea's signoff
20:49 wizzyrea sekjal dah I usually do that
20:49 wizzyrea sorry >.<
20:49 sekjal no worries
20:50 rangi thanks sekjal
20:50 cait thx
20:50 cait wizzyrea++ ian++
20:50 cait oh
20:51 cait and should be signed off
20:51 wizzyrea ?
20:54 sekjal for 3941:  very nice, much cleaner, one small thing
20:54 sekjal clicking on notice link a second time does not collapse that notice
20:55 sekjal clicking on a different one closes the first
20:55 cait hm
20:55 sekjal but once one is open, one will stay open until you leave the page or refresh
20:55 cait I am not sure how to make it work differently
20:55 sekjal this is not important enough to block QA
20:55 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4841] Advanced search returns 0 results if the itemtype have no items <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4841>
20:55 cait owen helped with that
20:55 cait I can try to work up something as follow-up?
20:56 cait would this be ok?
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20:56 cait because it's already quite late
20:56 * cait should sleep :)
20:56 sekjal I'm just being overly nit-picky
20:56 cait and my time is running out - 22nd is almost over
20:56 cait no, it sounds reasonable
20:56 sekjal this patch has passed QA; marking as such
20:56 cait yay :)
20:56 wizzyrea hehe, you have until hawaii rolls over, go go go!
20:57 melia_away is now known as melia
20:57 cait rangi said my time zone - not goint to cheat
20:57 rangi and its only for new enh patches
20:57 sekjal a second click to collapse is a separate enhancement (or a followup)
20:57 wizzyrea right we've still got time for bugfixes
20:57 sekjal once the initial enhancement is submitted, even if it's still in Needs Signoff, it's fair game for inclusion in 3.6 (if it passes the process)
20:58 rangi yup
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21:01 cait but I got lucky - liz signed off
21:01 * cait sends liz cookies
21:04 * sekjal is a little excited about the next month... lots of goodies in the queue to test and (hopefully) pass
21:04 rangi yup :)
21:04 * sekjal played with the Star Ratings last night... pretty cool stuff (despite the couple of issues I found)
21:05 wizzyrea star ratings! wherezat
21:05 rangi albany senior high school did it
21:05 wizzyrea kewlll
21:05 rangi been live there for a while mason wrote it
21:06 rangi[…]
21:06 wizzyrea aw wicked
21:07 sekjal bug 5668
21:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Star ratings in the opac
21:07 rangi remommendations is the next one to get in, but that will be 3.8
21:07 rangi[…]?biblionumber=775
21:07 rangi check the recommendations tab there
21:07 sekjal bug 6772
21:07 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6772 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Implementation of a recommendations engine
21:08 rangi then we combine the 2
21:08 rangi to make the recommendations better using the ratings
21:09 sekjal those stars make me think about Netflix integration
21:09 sekjal actually, Netflix and Quikster, now
21:09 * wizzyrea mutters something about amazon lending through overdrive
21:11 rangi with our powers of evil combined, we become captain douchebag
21:12 wizzyrea oh and everybody is SO excited about it.
21:12 * wizzyrea mutters.
21:12 wizzyrea it'll be great until they take it away
21:13 * sekjal starts spinning off now into thinking about Koha integration with Pandora,, Grooveshark, etc.
21:13 rangi
21:13 rangi did i show you this yet?
21:13 rangi
21:13 rangi ppl who went to kohacon will recognise that space
21:13 wizzyrea whaaaat
21:13 * wizzyrea hopes they're not using the leaf ball as a ball >.>
21:14 rangi hehe
21:14 wizzyrea and that they are watching out for it when they kick
21:14 wizzyrea :P
21:14 sekjal whoa
21:15 rangi there are ppl all over it at lunch etc
21:15 rangi  <-- cute
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21:16 wizzyrea long and proud?
21:16 sehrish hi room
21:17 wizzyrea hi
21:17 cait hi sehrish
21:24 sehrish how r u cait?
21:24 sehrish thanks for reply
21:25 cait I am fine thank you
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21:28 wizzyrea aw, cute
21:28 wizzyrea
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21:32 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6881 - Not able to accept a suggestion (typo in template) <[…]62838c20f5a6ad149>
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21:32 ibeardslee oh that's awesome
21:32 cait ian: want to see the follow up? :)
21:32 cait or sekjal :)
21:32 * cait is all excited
21:33 sekjal cait:  sure!
21:33 cait :)
21:37 * rangi will wait on pushing 3941 and push them all in one go
21:37 cait patch applied
21:38 jenkins_koha Starting build 423 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
21:38 cait hm attached even :)
21:38 sekjal nice
21:39 sekjal does exactly what I'd hoped it to do
21:39 sekjal thanks, cait!
21:40 cait yep, I am much happier with it now too
21:40 sekjal followup passed QA
21:40 sekjal all good stuff
21:40 * wizzyrea cheers
21:41 cait :)
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21:43 wizzyrea cool I like it
21:43 wizzyrea good stuff cait++
21:44 * cait blushes
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21:50 * cait pokes eythian
21:50 rangi not at his desk yet
21:50 * rangi pushes 6755
21:50 cait I thought so
21:50 rangi but with reservations
21:50 wizzyrea bug 6755
21:50 rangi i hope ppl read the last comment
21:50 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages
21:50 cait oh
21:51 wizzyrea rangi, is git pull --rebase the same as git fetch && git rebase origin
21:52 rangi yup
21:52 * wizzyrea sighs with relief.
21:52 wizzyrea wouldn't wanna be telling people wrong
21:52 wizzyrea less typing :P
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21:55 sekjal anyone recall an issue of a title suddenly not being retrievable by keyword search, but still by title search?
21:55 cait hm
21:55 cait no
21:55 wizzyrea sounds like an index to me
21:55 wizzyrea change one thing about the bib and give it 10?
21:55 wahanui wizzyrea: that doesn't look right
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21:56 wizzyrea (to reindex it)
21:56 sekjal wizzyrea:  doesn't help
21:56 wizzyrea weeird.
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21:57 wizzyrea how does it fail?
21:57 * cait pokes eythian again
21:57 wizzyrea i have seen a problem where the keyword searches bring back a different record with something wrong with it, so the search bombs
21:58 wizzyrea something else in the result set is broken, is what I mean
21:58 wizzyrea and when you title search it
21:58 sekjal searching keyword for full title phrase gives no results.  title searching for that same phrase gives exact match
21:58 wizzyrea the result set doesn't include the broken record
21:58 sekjal ah
21:58 sekjal good point
21:59 wizzyrea damn near impossible to determine what the problem is from the web interface though
21:59 wizzyrea we always had a full reindex to fix, I think
22:03 wizzyrea sekjal: regarding 5533
22:03 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6755 follow up <[…]adec4fcfa6d9c966e> / Bug 6755 Problems with switching languages <[…]78a89fd82fc0862a9>
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22:03 wizzyrea at least at nekls we haven't ever expected lost values other than 1 to charge the patron
22:04 sekjal dang, eythian probably could have answered my question...
22:05 sekjal wizzyrea:  in my mind, any item field tied to an Authorized Value should treat all values > 0 equally
22:05 sekjal the difference is just textual, for reporting
22:05 sekjal but the semantic meaning is the same
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22:05 sekjal if we need to assign more semantics to a set of values, that's when they need to get pull out into their own tables, like itemtypes
22:06 wizzyrea well lost and paid for?
22:06 wizzyrea shouldn't charge the account for sure
22:07 sekjal that's a default value only, though... it can be removed or renamed by the library
22:08 sekjal I just don't see any sane mechanism for enforcing different system behaviour based on the value of the auth val
22:08 sekjal except for <, > or = 0
22:08 sekjal and even the less than 0 I'm not so sure about
22:08 wizzyrea well no, especially since they're pretty well arbitrary. I suspect that they were put in as authorized values because that's an easy way to make them customizable
22:08 wizzyrea to workflows
22:09 rangi yeah they were always hardcoded
22:09 wizzyrea but saying that one of them confers special powers, I can dig it
22:09 wizzyrea but I see why it's problematic
22:09 cait hm I think the lost values have different semantics
22:09 rangi then they got moved to authorised values to make it easy to change
22:09 * cait should scroll down
22:09 sekjal yet another reason to move to a unified concept of "status"
22:10 rangi in the good news front
22:10 rangi Rail travel is at an all-time high. For the first time ever, Amtrak will reach 30 million riders in one year!
22:10 wizzyrea And being able to confer special powers on any lost status *would* be cool
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22:10 sekjal just requires we define what special powers are available
22:10 wizzyrea "remove item from account (or not)," "Charge patron replacement fee (or not)"
22:11 sekjal those would have to be hardcoded, but what values they apply to would be up to the library
22:11 wizzyrea "generate a notice (or not)
22:11 wizzyrea "
22:11 wizzyrea to start
22:12 wizzyrea so like lost and paid for would have remove item from account, and no replacement fee
22:12 wizzyrea long overdue would leave the item on the account, send a notice
22:13 wizzyrea missing is usualy library only, an item that's not out
22:13 wizzyrea at least in nexpress
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22:14 wizzyrea afk a min
22:14 sekjal gtg
22:14 sekjal must buy cat food
22:15 cait :)
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22:16 cait hmm
22:16 * cait pokes eythian again-again
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22:20 bg I'm wondering if I'm having a brain fart moment..  if I change the version number in my installer/data/mysql/  then it should kick the web installer off correct?  (I know when you submit something you should have it as XXX…  )
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22:23 bg oh yeah happy birthday to bilbo and frodo today :D
22:24 rangi you have to change it in
22:24 rangi frodo stole my milk, the little bugger
22:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #423: SUCCESS in 46 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/423/
22:24 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 6881 - Not able to accept a suggestion (typo in template)
22:24 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6881 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW , Can't accept suggestions
22:25 jenkins_koha Starting build 424 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:25 bg oh yeah rangi that's where I first changed it
22:25 bg sorry about the milk
22:25 rangi yep so if the version in there
22:25 rangi is higher than the one in the db
22:25 rangi its should kick the installer off
22:26 bg it should kick the installer
22:26 bg ok so I'm not having a brain fart
22:26 rangi and the updatedatabase should change the version number so it stops kicking it off
22:26 bg thanks..
22:31 bg noice - got it - merge conflict
22:31 bg heh
22:31 bg sweet
22:34 eythian cait: sup?
22:34 cait he is alive!
22:34 eythian barely :)
22:35 cait sup?
22:36 eythian notmuch
22:36 cait hehe was does it mean?
22:37 eythian shorthand for "what's up?"
22:37 cait aha
22:38 cait I send a patch - I am happy
22:38 eythian cool
22:38 cait now I have to worry about my exam on saturday
22:38 cait and about my train leaving earlier than I expected tomorrow morning
22:38 eythian erk
22:38 eythian train to where?
22:39 cait dortmund
22:41 eythian ah right
22:42 eythian rats, I need a letter of invitation for kohacon for the visa.
22:42 eythian Silly visas.
22:42 wizzyrea srsly?
22:42 wizzyrea at least you don't need an FBI background check.
22:42 wizzyrea sheesh.
22:42 eythian I'm not going to go there and steal their jobs or exploit their public health system...I suspect ours are better anyway.
22:43 eythian no, we don't have an FBI.
22:43 wizzyrea ^.^
22:43 eythian Oh well, I'm sure kmkale has a template he can just send out.
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22:46 rangi i can give you a kohacon10 one and you can change the dates and place ;)
22:46 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3941: Follow up <[…]1cff01294852d36f7> / Bug 3941 - Combine Notices & Messaging Tabs <[…]d4cd8552bdcc93201>
22:46 rangi cait: look at that!!
22:47 cait hehe
22:47 * cait is so totally used to seeing her name there
22:48 cait YAY! *dances*
22:49 eythian The good ol' commit-dance, eh?
22:49 cait hehe
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22:57 cait good night #koha
22:59 cait left #koha
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23:03 talljoy can someone point me to a link showing the list of contributors to Koha code?
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23:04 wizzyrea[…]story.txt;hb=HEAD
23:05 talljoy wizzyrea++
23:05 talljoy thanks
23:05 wizzyrea yw
23:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #424: UNSTABLE in 46 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/424/
23:11 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6755 Problems with switching languages
23:11 jenkins_koha * alex.arnaud: Bug 6755 follow up
23:11 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---,, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages
23:11 jenkins_koha Starting build 425 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #423 1 h 33 mn ago)
23:16 talljoy is now known as talljoy_away
23:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6755' into kcmaster <[…]a2195b7385d31b418> / Bug 6755 follow up, fixing broken POD <[…]5008841e585c04e8e>
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23:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #425: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/425/
23:58 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3941 - Combine Notices & Messaging Tabs
23:58 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3941: Follow up
23:58 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3941 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Combine Notices & Messaging Tabs
23:58 jenkins_koha Starting build 426 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #423 2 h 20 mn ago)

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