Time  Nick         Message
00:00 jcamins_away Time for pizza.
00:00 jcamins_away Good night, #koha
00:01 eythian      cy
00:01 eythian      a
00:25 druthb       o/
01:28 mozi         hi, can anyone give me a reliable koha installation guide for debian squeeze?
01:28 eythian      jcamins_away: I've updated the NRPE file to one that actually has content
01:28 eythian      mozi: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
01:29 mozi         thanks, but i have problem issuing the apt-get install koha-common
01:29 mozi         it does not install the dependencies
01:29 eythian      yes it does.
01:30 mozi         hmm, this is the message: Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation:  The following packages have unmet dependen
01:30 mozi         is there something wrong with my debian installation?
01:30 eythian      you'll have to pastebin the whole message, you've missed the important bits.
01:30 rangi        http://paste.koha-community.org/
01:31 eythian      http://paste.koha-community.org/
01:31 eythian      err
01:31 eythian      yeah
01:31 eythian      that
01:31 pastebot     "mozi" at pasted "koha installation error" (70 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/52
01:31 mozi         done
01:32 eythian      I hate that message, it doesn't tell you where the problem actually is.
01:32 mozi         yeah, it gives me headaches
01:32 eythian      try manually installing libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl
01:32 eythian      it has a different message after it
01:33 eythian      (by manually I mean using apt-get on it alone)
01:33 mozi         ill try
01:33 eythian      if that fails, see what apt-cache policy libcgi-session-driver-memcached-perl says
01:34 mozi         it failed
01:34 eythian      in what way
01:34 eythian      ?
01:34 pastebot     "mozi" at pasted "failed" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/53
01:35 eythian      that looks correct to me
01:35 mozi         ill try issuing the install command
01:35 pastebot     "mozi" at pasted "failed" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/54
01:35 eythian      what happens when you try to install it?
01:36 mozi         that is the message
01:36 eythian      hmm
01:36 eythian      I'm pretty sure they're both in Debian, unless something's changed...
01:36 * eythian    looks
01:36 mozi         debian is freshly installed
01:37 mozi         following the procedure at this link: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
01:37 jcamins_away eythian: awesome! Thanks!
01:40 eythian      mozi: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list?
01:40 mozi         ok
01:40 eythian      http://paste.koha-community.org/55 <-- this is what you should see
01:41 pastebot     "mozi" at pasted "sources.list" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/56
01:41 eythian      ahh
01:41 eythian      your sources are wrong
01:41 mozi         ow
01:41 mozi         what should be my sources?
01:41 pastebot     "eythian" at pasted "example of a correct sources.list" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/57
01:42 mozi         ok i'll try
01:42 eythian      you haven't told apt how to download the dependencies, that's why it's failing.
01:45 mozi         waaa, its working now!!
01:45 eythian      awesome :)
01:45 mozi         eythian, you are really a lifesaver
01:45 mozi         thank you so much, i really am greatful
01:45 eythian      no worries, good luck with the rest of the setup :)
01:46 mozi         :) thanks raised to infinity
01:54 Judit        hi
01:56 Judit        when sending out notices for patrons: can i send the same message to 2 different email addresses( home email adr and work email adr)?
01:57 eythian      Not built in that I know of, no.
01:58 Judit        :/
01:59 Judit        can you choose or the first available
01:59 eythian      I think it'll always take from the primary email field
01:59 eythian      but, I haven't checked the code.
02:00 Judit        thanks
02:22 eythian      is git.koha-community.org down again?
02:23 eythian      http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/git.koha-community.org <-- looks like yes
02:23 mozi         hi, how do i use the koha-create?
02:23 mozi         i cannot seem to run my koha web installation
02:23 eythian      "man koha-create"
02:27 mozi         what should be my instance_name?
02:27 eythian      whatever you like. TYpically the name of your library or whatever.
02:28 Judit        the name of yourlibrary
02:28 mozi         why is it not working?
02:28 Judit        ehm
02:28 eythian      You'll have to give us more to go on than that.
02:29 Judit        what is not working? you cannot enter the name of your library
02:29 mozi         can i use ip address, instead of names to access koha?
02:29 mozi         im trying to access it via network
02:29 mozi         but im stuck at koha-create :(
02:30 eythian      yes, but you do that later.
02:30 eythian      you still haven't told us why you're stuck.
02:30 mozi         i cannot create a koha instance
02:31 Judit        why not< what happens when you enter then ame
02:31 Judit        the name
02:31 mozi         it shows me the syntax
02:31 eythian      OK, then you're entering it wrong.
02:31 eythian      Give us more information.
02:31 mozi         i tried using koha-create hslibrary
02:32 Judit        how long isthe name you are trying to enter?
02:32 eythian      mozi: you didn't read the man page
02:32 eythian      hmm, actually, that's not clear in the man page
02:33 eythian      you need to provide one of --create-db|--request-db|--populate-db
02:33 mozi         ow
02:33 eythian      ohh, the example is wrong too
02:33 mozi         i tried doing koha-create --createdb hslibrary
02:33 * eythian    fixes that.
02:33 eythian      yeah, that should work. Except there's a bug in 3.4.4 where it'll say "doesn't exist"
02:34 eythian      just add "--configfile /etc/koha/koha-site.conf"
02:34 eythian      to avoid that message
02:37 mozi         thanks ethian, everything is well now. :)
02:38 eythian      cool
02:38 mozi         and one more thing
02:38 mozi         cant access the port 8080, haha
02:39 eythian      have you defined it to be on port 8080?
02:40 pastebot     "mozi" at pasted "koha-sites" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/58
02:41 mozi         that is my koha sites conf
02:41 eythian      OK, you're telling it to be on port 80, so it won't be on port 8080.
02:42 Judit        how put the google custom search box to search all version ofthe manual on the website?
02:42 mozi         how do i open them both?
02:42 Judit        i want to offer him/her chocolate/- a lot :)
02:42 rangi        wizzyrea did
02:43 rangi        one for the mailing lists too
02:43 eythian      mozi: you'll have to edit your apache config to set that up as you want it.
02:43 eythian      /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/instancename
02:43 mozi         ow ok
02:43 eythian      where instancename is whatever you called your library
02:43 eythian      also, you'll have to make sure that you've told apache to use port 8080 as well
02:43 rangi        http://koha-community.org/support/koha-mailing-lists/
02:45 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4877] Create and update the manual pages for the koha-* scripts. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4877>
03:02 mozi         where can i locate the koha-conf.xml?
03:06 eythian      /etc/koha/sites/whatever/koha-conf.xml
03:09 mozi         thanks, all is good now.
03:09 mozi         it was really a hard journey.
03:25 wajasu       if i see a bug, ie. http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2246 ,  and its on master. Whats going to get it to a release? Is it in 3.4.4, or is it due to go to 3.6?
03:25 huginn       04Bug 2246: critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label printing doesn't work with Unicode characters
03:26 eythian      wajasu: the answer is "it depends"
03:26 eythian      typically bugfixes go into 3.4 if they're not too invasive.
03:26 eythian      (which they shouldn't be)
03:27 wajasu       I guess I can manully apply it in my test environment, and see if it fixed things.
03:27 eythian      yep
03:28 rangi        hmm 2246 i pushed to master a long time ago
03:29 rangi        id imagine that was in 3.4.x already, and if not im sure chris_n would push it
03:31 rangi        (yup its in 3.4.x)
03:32 rangi        probably in 3.4.2, def in 3.4.3 and later
03:34 wajasu       i see it there.
03:35 rangi        pretty much all bug fixes make it into 3.4.x
03:35 rangi        http://koha-releasemanagement.branchable.com/
03:35 rangi        the features wont
03:35 wajasu       what I'm trying to find out is how to get  Jurgen, or Soren, showing u with 2 dots above.  Diacritics in labels.
03:35 rangi        yeah thats a pdf issue
03:36 rangi        you missed a whole big discussion on that this morning
03:36 rangi        lemme find it
03:36 wajasu       please
03:36 wajasu       i'll read the irc logs.
03:38 rangi        actually the comments on that bug explain it
03:38 wajasu       yeah
03:38 rangi        the real fix is to rewrite the label generator to generate html
03:39 rangi        and have the browser to the html->pdf conversion
03:39 wajasu       that make sense
03:39 rangi        http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/2011-09-21#i_769912
03:40 rangi        maybe have a chat with chris_N
03:42 wajasu       the other thing my library wants is  "courses, etc", so professors can tag their syllabus, for a course.  Maybe tags can suffice.
03:42 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6205] doc-head-open.inc not found. <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6205>
03:42 rangi        you could use tags
03:42 rangi        theres probably a marc field you could use too, but tags would allow the professors to do it
03:42 rangi        or lists
03:43 wajasu       ahh lists.
03:43 wajasu       i'll give it a try.
03:43 rangi        cool
03:46 mozi         hi, is zebra automatically index the biblios?
03:47 eythian      mozi: yes, but sometimes you have to kickstart it the first time.
03:47 eythian      sudo /etc/init.d/koha-common restart
03:47 eythian      and then sudo koha-rebuild-zebra --full -v instancename
03:48 mozi         thanks!
04:34 cait         morning #koha
04:34 eythian      Hi cait
04:34 cait         hi mr robin :)
04:35 rangi        morning cait
04:38 cait         morning rangi
04:49 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6253] Unified Patron Search subroutine <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6253>
04:50 eythian      http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/09/a-trip-around-new-zealand/100153/
04:51 Judit1       photoshop!!! it is all fog and rain, i know
04:51 eythian      we put that on specially for you
04:55 Judit1       wow, i didnt know rugby was this interesting
04:56 eythian      heh
04:56 Judit1       i dont really get picture 34
04:57 eythian      that game seemed pretty unfair really
04:57 eythian      it's a guy skiing.
04:57 Judit1       without feets?
04:57 Judit1       in teh air?
04:58 Judit1       i understand the air part i dont get the no feet part
05:01 eythian      when skiing you wear skis.
05:01 eythian      otherwise you sink in the snow
05:01 Judit1       on your feet
05:01 Judit1       right?
05:06 eythian      yep. As you can see, that person has feet. Otherwise the skis would fall off.
05:08 Judit1       hmm
05:08 Judit1       okay, what is the ski- i thought it's the leg
05:29 Irma         G'day #Koha
05:33 eythian      Judit1: ah. I guess you're suffering snow blindness then.
05:34 Judit1       blablabla
05:34 cait         lol
05:34 eythian      you would say that.
05:37 Judit1       well,i have no problem understanding photo 18, 19 20
05:45 eythian      eh, that's normal for Dunedin
05:46 Judit1       must be a nice please
05:46 Judit1       place
05:46 Judit1       :)
05:47 eythian      It's usually cold and often wet
05:57 Judit1       rangi
05:57 Judit1       could you please give me that link you gave me tuesday night
05:59 cait         I think he is having dinner
06:42 reiveune     hello
06:42 wahanui      hi, reiveune
06:44 rangi        hi reiveune
06:44 reiveune     hi everybody
06:44 alex_a1      hi
06:44 rangi        hi alex_a1
06:45 alex_a       morning rangi
06:56 francharb    hello #koha
07:19 kf           good morning #koha
07:19 alex_a       hello kf !
07:19 kf           hi alex_a :)
07:19 alex_a       :)
08:44 miguel       hello all
08:53 hdl          hi miguel
09:08 vfernandes   hi Koha community :)
09:38 kf           @wunder Konstanz
09:38 huginn       kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.1�C (11:34 AM CEST on September 22, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Falling).
09:39 rangi        @wunder wellington nz
09:39 huginn       rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (9:00 PM NZST on September 22, 2011). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
10:05 kf           magnus_away++ #nice slides!
10:05 Brooke       where where where?
10:05 kf           http://www.slideshare.net/MagnusEnger/floss-cph201109/
10:05 kf           and go to bed!
10:05 Brooke       no, it's nearly dawn :P
10:05 kf           oh, not that early perhaps
10:09 Brooke       I think 2593 is now my favourite bug.
10:11 kf           bug 2593
10:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2593 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, matthias.meusburger, CLOSED FIXED, way to duplicate items
10:11 kf           hm that's old
10:11 Brooke       yes
10:11 kf           oh!
10:11 Brooke       but it's my favourite because of magnuse's slide of it
10:11 kf           sorry
10:12 Brooke       starts in one country
10:12 Brooke       funded in another
10:12 Brooke       addressed by a dev in a third
10:12 Brooke       fed upstream
12:26 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6900 - line break between available and reference items <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=65e65d7c37e052e6fa8253001f47c497e22e6fd3> / Bug 6360 - add some more sounds to some happenings on returns <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e91a453aa5a693c7e15c6e82f14e66471b3ec98> / bug_6576: Submit when changing framework rather then reloading <http://git.koha-communi
12:26 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit32: Corrects a problem with the wrong date being updated in serials-edit.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=15d9cc7213686709761528cba4ba63eac896e0db> / Bug 6518 : XSS errors <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1e99a57286479ac07ad3d9434104be0859ff9c0> / Updating Version Number to <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=65510168b
12:49 oleonard     Anyone awake for a holds policy question?
12:50 oleonard     If I set a rule for an item type under "Holds policy by item type for all libraries" to "From Home Library" in circulation rules, will that prevent items from other libraries from being allocated for holds on that item?
12:50 * oleonard   has never tried it before
13:06 hdl          oleonard:  ?
13:07 oleonard     We want holds for a certain item type to only be fulfilled with items held by that branch
13:07 hdl          oleonard: it should.
13:07 hdl          iirc it does.
13:07 hdl          (on official release.)
13:10 oleonard     Our production installation is a little behind, but official. Here's something I'm confused about: http://screencast.com/t/kdGDLicW
13:10 oleonard     I'm logged in at the Chauncey branch. Why is it blocking holds on the Chauncey copy?
13:10 oleonard     Is it looking instead at *my* home library? That doesn't seem right.
13:11 oleonard     sekjal: I'd be interested in your feedback on the questions I asked just before you arrived.
13:12 sekjal       oleonard:  checking logs...
13:13 sekjal       reading...
13:15 sekjal       oleonard: that's the way it should work
13:15 sekjal       now, whether it's working right...
13:16 * oleonard   will try to reproduce that setup in his testing environment
13:16 sekjal       hmmm... it does seem to be checking your branch, not the logged in branch
13:17 oleonard     It seems like it really ought to be contingent on what the chosen pickup branch is?
13:18 sekjal       oleonard:  the choice of branch is governed by ReservesControlBranch
13:19 sekjal       bug 5800
13:19 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5800 normal, P3, ---, ian.walls, NEW , Hold Policy "home library only" incompatible with CircControl "patron home library"
13:29 oleonard     We don't have CircControl set to PatronHomeLibrary, so I don't think that bug applies?
13:37 sekjal       but you do have ReservesControlBranch set to the patron's branch....  perhaps the bug has evolved since it's initial report (or I didn't report it in enough detail)
13:38 sekjal       in any case, the branch that governs CanItemBeReserved() is determined by ReservesControlBranch
13:47 wizzyrea     so the problem is that you can't place a hold on an item from another branch when the pickup location is set to that branch?
13:47 wizzyrea     and you are or are not independent branches?
13:49 oleonard     No independent branches. I want to make sure that holds on a particular item type are only filled by items held by that library
13:49 oleonard     I don't want other libraries to find their copies on the holds queue list to be transferred to another branch.
13:50 wizzyrea     ah so you want local hold
13:50 wizzyrea     here's the deal
13:50 wizzyrea     I think
13:50 wizzyrea     you need to have local hold rules for every branch
13:50 wizzyrea     default rules for what to do with local hold and no hold items
13:50 wizzyrea     I have been down this road
13:51 wizzyrea     fought exactly what you are fighting for months
13:51 wizzyrea     before we figured out that the rules don't work the way one expects
13:51 wizzyrea     so, for example
13:51 wizzyrea     basehor wants to have itype local hold, and tongie has no rules defined for what to do with local hold
13:51 wizzyrea     a tongie patron can still place a hold on a basehor local hold item
13:52 wizzyrea     until you add the rules to tongie
13:52 wizzyrea     is that clear? if not, I can let you poke about our rules
13:52 wizzyrea     so you can see what I mean
13:52 oleonard     What do you mean by local hold rules for every branch?
13:52 wizzyrea     sec, illustration
13:54 wizzyrea     http://screencast.com/t/Uttg7U5EHD
13:55 oleonard     Does Jing take as long to load for you as it does for me?
13:55 wizzyrea     it's taking a long time this morning for sure
13:56 wizzyrea     is it always slow?
13:56 * wizzyrea   considers the idea of finding something better
13:57 oleonard     I find that the Jing application always takes forever to load on my computer. The site is fine.
13:57 wizzyrea     windows?
13:57 wahanui      i think windows is a poor fit for free software like Koha. Some of the thing's we use heavily are not easily available at the moment. No-one's funded Koha 3.x for Windows and I'm not sure who'd be willing to work on it. You are probably best off using a liveCD for testing, then commissioning a GNU/Linux server.
13:57 wizzyrea     lul
13:57 wizzyrea     s
13:57 oleonard     Thanks for getting that off your chest wahanui
13:58 wizzyrea     tell us how you really feel.
13:58 oleonard     wizzyrea: So basically you have to be sure to have a rule set up for each library, don't expect the defaults to trickle down
13:58 wizzyrea     exactly
13:58 wizzyrea     and if you have special rules for certain patron cats
13:59 wizzyrea     you'll need to define the local hold rules for those categories as well
13:59 wizzyrea     as soon as you define one different rule for a patron category, you have to define the local hold rules
13:59 wizzyrea     for that patron cat
13:59 wizzyrea     illustration, 1mo
14:00 wizzyrea     http://screencast.com/t/CBFJf3VQrA8M
14:01 wizzyrea     druthb actually figured this all out back in the day
14:01 wizzyrea     druthb++
14:01 * druthb     perks.
14:01 druthb       wha'd I do?
14:02 wizzyrea     figuring out that the circ rules don't cascade properly for local hold/walkin
14:02 * oleonard   starts building his own hovercraft based on druthb's instructions
14:02 druthb       ah, yes.
14:02 * druthb     giggles at oleonard.
14:04 wizzyrea     nekls is kind of the local hold/no hold expert :P
14:06 oleonard     Here's what we've got our holds in a bunch about: http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=253660
14:07 wizzyrea     oh. my.
14:07 wizzyrea     interesting!
14:07 wahanui      rumour has it interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
14:07 wizzyrea     tell us how you really feel.
14:07 wahanui      I think that Windows is the devil, DRM should be illegal, and that libre software is all you should ever use, ever.
14:07 * wizzyrea   giggles
14:07 druthb       wahanui: botsnack Sausage, Egg & Cheese McGriddles
14:08 wahanui      :)
14:08 * wizzyrea   looks forward to the day when wahanui becomes self-aware
14:08 oleonard     wahanui becomes self-aware and says, "You've been feeding me what?!"
14:08 wahanui      oleonard: excuse me?
14:09 druthb       I would feed him a botsnack of windows 8 engineers, but they're full of fluff and not very filling.
14:09 trea         like marshmallow peeps, with clip on ties.
14:09 wizzyrea     @quote add druthb: I would feed wahanui a botsnack of windows 8 engineers, but they're full of fluff and not very filling. trea: like marshmallow peeps, with clip on ties.
14:09 huginn       wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #156 added.
14:10 druthb       and pocket protectors!  Mustn't forget those!
14:10 wizzyrea     lol
14:10 druthb       @quote search wizzyrea
14:10 huginn       druthb: 17 found: #105: "* wizzyrea would like to note that you do *not*...", #114: "chris_n: maybe you mean black magic with...", #118: "wizzyrea: lavamind is erupting patches all over...", #147: "<wizzyrea> a watched query never finishes.", #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon...", #17: "<wizzyrea> holy flaming bacon batman!", #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me", #25: (2 more messages)
14:10 druthb       @more
14:10 huginn       druthb: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each...", #32: "<wizzyrea> oh, things are not right in the...", #49: "wizzyrea: KOHAKONG: Stomping all other ILS's", #52: "<wizzyrea> Ahh, it's like putting on your slippers", #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical...", #65: "<wizzyrea_> koha doesn't make you pizza... it...", #70: "<wizzyrea> owen: I have a jquery... um... query...", #83: "<wizzyrea> you (1 more message)
14:10 druthb       @more
14:10 huginn       druthb: can watch the sunrise around the...", #87: "<wizzyrea> my standard reply for that is you...", and #8: "< wizzyrea> in my experience the transition to..."
14:11 oleonard     I like the ambiguous incompleteness of those
14:11 druthb       yep.
14:11 trea         "i mean, the point of american bacon..."
14:11 trea         nuff said.
14:11 wizzyrea     and "holy flaming bacon, batman!
14:12 wizzyrea     @quote get 70
14:12 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #70: "<wizzyrea> owen: I have a jquery... um... query for you" (added by jdavidb at 02:30 PM, April 01, 2010)
14:12 wizzyrea     @quote get 65
14:12 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #65: "<wizzyrea_> koha doesn't make you pizza... it only makes you pizza metadata" (added by gmcharlt at 05:00 PM, March 02, 2010)
14:12 * wizzyrea   ponders this
14:12 * druthb     dubs wizzyrea the Queen of Quotes.
14:14 wizzyrea     oh that's poo, i'm sure rangi has at least as many good ones
14:14 wizzyrea     @quote list rangi
14:14 huginn       wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
14:14 wizzyrea     @quote search rangi
14:14 huginn       wizzyrea: 8 found: #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad...", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #130: "rangi: or you could save time and just slam...", #135: "rangi: $tempate->{VARS}->{'LoginBranchname'} -...", #142: "Pianohacker: hrm. What's the plural of ILS...", #146: "rangi: when I was at brendans house we went to...", #153: "<rangi> merging code in git doesn't make (1 more message)
14:14 wizzyrea     @more
14:14 huginn       wizzyrea: me...", and #154: "rangi: it's destined to be an eternal mystery"
14:14 wizzyrea     @quote search druth
14:14 huginn       wizzyrea: 3 found: #102: "<druthb> harrrumph!", #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one...", and #156: "druthb: I would feed wahanui a botsnack of..."
14:15 wizzyrea     @quote search owen
14:15 huginn       wizzyrea: 17 found: #108: "<owen> As Pee-wee said, Everyone I know has a...", #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little...", #21: "<owen> I think we need more quotes!", #22: "<jdavidb> owen: you wouldn't know this, being...", #28: "<owen> I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around...", #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!", #41: "owen: Being an ass doesn't qualify as a medical...", #60: (2 more messages)
14:15 wizzyrea     @more
14:15 huginn       wizzyrea: "<owen> My 9-month-old may not be walking yet,...", #70: "<wizzyrea> owen: I have a jquery... um... query...", #73: "<chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick...", #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote...", #76: "<owen> yes, it's all part of my plan to take...", #81: "<owen> Free beer *and* free puppy, but be...", #85: "owen: Nothing says embracing my geekness like...", #88: "<owen> (1 more message)
14:15 wizzyrea     @more
14:15 huginn       wizzyrea: I'm a crazed branch-creating maniac", #89: "<owen> We defy stereotypes: We're not afraid of...", and #96: "< owen> If your vendor calls it KOHA you know..."
14:15 druthb       @quote get 22
14:15 huginn       druthb: Quote #22: "<jdavidb> owen: you wouldn't know this, being the skinny thing you are, but it is also good for maintaining a panoramic physique, like mine." (added by gmcharlt at 04:24 PM, August 06, 2009)
14:16 oleonard     @quote get 41
14:16 huginn       oleonard: Quote #41: "owen: Being an ass doesn't qualify as a medical condition ;)" (added by jwagner at 03:13 PM, October 16, 2009)
14:16 wizzyrea     @quote get 81
14:16 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #81: "<owen> Free beer *and* free puppy, but be careful: the puppy is drunk." (added by druthb at 01:47 PM, June 28, 2010)
14:16 druthb       That jdavidb fellow sure sounds like me.  What a clever fellow!
14:16 wizzyrea     rofl
14:16 oleonard     I love quote 41, if I do say so myself.
14:16 wizzyrea     @quote get 41
14:16 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #41: "owen: Being an ass doesn't qualify as a medical condition ;)" (added by jwagner at 03:13 PM, October 16, 2009)
14:17 wizzyrea     @quote get 12
14:17 huginn       wizzyrea: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 06:36 PM, July 06, 2009)
14:17 * wizzyrea   snorts
14:17 wizzyrea     great now I've got water on my keyboard.
14:18 wizzyrea     @quote search chris
14:18 huginn       wizzyrea: 14 found: #100: "chris: well, one of them is overhauling the...", #110: "chris: im rm, not god", #114: "chris_n: maybe you mean black magic with...", #115: "chris: friends don't let friends use...", #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't...", #26: "<chris> as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt", #34: "<chris> oh except that time .. when katipo...", #39: "chris <chris> nope, ive made (1 more message)
14:18 wizzyrea     @more
14:18 huginn       wizzyrea: it my aim in life...", #73: "<chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick...", #74: "<owen> chris: Not to mention the cute kid quote...", #77: "*chris_n wants to know if nengard figures out...", #91: "<chris> Free as in kittens is a silly phrase...", #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know,...", and #97: "chris_n shakes his fist (again) in the..."
14:23 Danielle     o/
14:41 libsysguy1   ok so I got a weird error yesterday and I wanted to ask for your thoughts
14:41 libsysguy1   http://paste.koha-community.org/59?tx=on&submit=Format+it%21
14:42 slef         I wonder how other subjects with parentheses fare
14:43 slef         looks like they might need escaping, at first glance
14:43 slef         but I don't know CCL
14:44 slef         hrrrm... CCL not CQL?
14:44 wizzyrea     libsysguy1: idk for sure
14:44 libsysguy1   hmm
14:44 wizzyrea     but does this record have an 880?
14:45 libsysguy    i can look
14:45 libsysguy    one set
14:45 wizzyrea     it jingles my mind on something kf found yesterday
14:45 slef         wahanui: CCL?
14:45 wahanui      CCL is not a standard... It needs configuration
14:45 slef         hrm
14:45 wizzyrea     and fixed
14:49 slef         wizzyrea: anything on
14:49 slef         http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&chfieldfrom=2011-09-18&chfieldto=Now&email2=.de&emailassigned_to2=1&emailcc2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailtype2=substring&query_format=advanced&query_based_on=&columnlist=bug_severity%2Cpriority%2Cop_sys%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_status%2Cresolution%2Cshort_desc%2Cchangeddate look
14:49 slef         familiar?
14:50 slef         hrm, that's most recent at bottom, but bleah
14:50 libsysguy    there is no 880
14:50 wizzyrea     bug 6901
14:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6901 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Add CSS classes/ids to OPAC and staff XSLT views
14:50 wizzyrea     k
14:50 wizzyrea     then it's not that
15:11 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6801] Patron details page slow to load when many checkouts present <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6801>
15:21 * chris_n    looks around for oleonard
15:21 * oleonard   waves
15:22 chris_n      which jquery date selector were we thinking of switching to?
15:22 * chris_n    seems to remember a discussion about that recently
15:22 chris_n      or are we happy with what we currently use?
15:23 oleonard     I have a branch in progress which aims to convert all possible js widgets to use jqueryUI
15:23 oleonard     chris_n: Do you ask because you need to add a date selector?
15:24 chris_n      well, to another app I'm working on; so I figured if I was going to learn one, I'd learn the one we plan to use in Koha and get extra mileage from the hike up the learning curve :-)
15:25 * chris_n    passes oleonard donuts and coffee in thanks
15:25 libsysguy    chris_n shouldn't we use one with a time selector as well?
15:25 oleonard     The jqueryUI one is dead simple to use in its basic form, and not too hard to grasp in its more complex configurations
15:26 chris_n      libsysguy: for things like hourly loans?
15:26 libsysguy    indeed
15:26 oleonard     libsysguy: There are very few places where a time selector is required. It's more important that we be switching to a broad framework that will cover a lot of cases.
15:26 oleonard     We can always add in plugins for things which aren't covered.
15:27 chris_n      oooo... drag and drop functions
15:27 * libsysguy  has done stuff like that
15:29 libsysguy    it was interesting
15:29 oleonard     Here's my jqueryUI branch if anyone wants to test/see my progress http://gitorious.org/koha-dev/koha-dev/commits/ip-bug-5481-tt-jquery-ui-2011-04-12
15:37 chris_n      very snazzy themes too
15:39 chris_n      oleonard: I've been doing some extensive work with datatables again
15:39 chris_n      I think it has a lot of potential for koha
15:39 oleonard     Did you see the bugs with Biblibre's work with it?
15:39 chris_n      no, I did not
15:40 chris_n      do they have a branch for it?
15:40 chris_n      using ajax calls to the back end makes things snappy
15:41 oleonard     Bug 6836 for the groundwork
15:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6836 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , jQuery plugin Datatables integration
15:41 oleonard     bug 6838 for an implementation
15:41 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6838 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , Filtering and pagination in subscriptions table
15:42 oleonard     I think they've done more in their own branches which I don't know about
15:43 chris_n      I'll have a look at it
15:50 wizzyrea     bug 6825 - advice on testing patches that introduce db revisions?
15:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6825 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, NEW , OpacNav menu hide user menu on opac-user.pl page
15:51 wizzyrea     things like - back up your db first so you can roll back
15:51 wizzyrea     that is to say, I'm looking for advice on this
15:51 wizzyrea     as if by magic, she appears just as I was thinking of her. :)
15:51 * kf         hides
15:51 wizzyrea     no no
15:51 * wizzyrea   offers cookies
15:52 * kf         peeks out
15:52 wizzyrea     hi nengard
15:52 kf           hi nengard :)
15:53 nengard      hiya
15:57 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3704: SIP Checkin of not checked out item returns error without reason <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=a2ee6443b9643ad0780ad62ef63d0a06d5c674f0> / bug_4831: Use unitprice (actual cost) when totalling spent amounts for "All available... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fb88deaa7a0ada50480751cbfadcf1dde75d8eb>
16:16 wizzyrea     kf what was the adventure we wanted to add to chorewars yesterday
16:23 jenkins_koha Starting build 421 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
16:26 kf           wizzyrea: don't remember - logs?
16:26 wizzyrea     i'm looking but I 'm not finding it
16:26 chris_n      rangi is up early today
16:27 wizzyrea     OH
16:27 wizzyrea     I found it!
16:27 kf           unit tests?
16:27 wizzyrea     lol, I looked for "adventure"
16:27 wizzyrea     no, but that's a good one too
16:27 wizzyrea     checking and fixing perl critic stuff
16:27 kf           ah
16:27 kf           plumbing
16:27 kf           now you have to make that sound adventurous and poetic
16:27 kf           leaving - will be back
16:27 wizzyrea     later
16:31 wizzyrea     bbiab
17:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #421: UNSTABLE in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/421/
17:10 jenkins_koha * srdjan: bug_4831: Use unitprice (actual cost) when totalling spent amounts for "All available funds", as in "Already received"
17:10 jenkins_koha * katrin.fischer: Bug 3704: SIP Checkin of not checked out item returns error without reason
17:10 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3704 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, colin.campbell, NEW , SIP Checkin of not checked out item returns error without additional reason
17:15 cait         hi #koha
17:16 cait         bywater++ catalyst++ :)
17:37 cait         hi #koha
17:40 chris_n      heya cait
17:40 cait         hi chris_n :)
17:52 * chris_n    tends to think that any single coding standard must be better than the great plurality of coding standards (or non-standards) that inevitably result from the lack of a (any) single standard
17:52 * cait       agrees
17:53 oleonard     Oh no, it has to be JUST THE RIGHT ONE.
17:57 cait         wb wizzyrea
17:57 wizzyrea     tyty
18:20 rangi        morning
18:20 cait         morning :)
18:23 jenkins_koha Starting build 422 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #420 19 h ago)
18:23 wizzyrea     this won't make it into 3.6, but is there anything anyone would like added to the reports-home page
18:24 wizzyrea     i'm adding a link to the schema and the report library on the wiki
18:24 wizzyrea     any other resources that should be added?
18:29 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Alternate fix for Bug 2534 - Viewing items table on item edit screen requires horizon... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc439dcb7bdcf27b45f4d51c3c4f79d19131120b>
18:34 oleonard     git fetch timing out for anyone else?
18:35 wizzyrea     it was vaguely poky for me just now
18:35 wizzyrea     but it did work
18:37 wizzyrea     oleonard: no, it's not currently timing out
18:40 rangi        it was down for a good part of last night for me
18:49 sekjal       we got hit by bingbot the other night
18:50 wizzyrea     oleonard: is this ok? http://screencast.com/t/VbPYwD2FPi
18:51 wizzyrea     they target=blank, so they open in a new tab
18:51 oleonard     Why not put them in the left-hand sidebar?
18:51 * wizzyrea   ponders
18:51 wizzyrea     see this is why I ask you
18:51 wizzyrea     :)
18:54 cait         quick vote
18:54 cait         working on bug 3941
18:54 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3941 major, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Combine Notices & Messaging Tabs
18:54 cait         what do people like better - notices or messages?
18:54 cait         not the tabs, the terms
18:55 * wizzyrea   thinks about it
18:55 oleonard     We use notices in Tools, so I would prefer that.
18:55 wizzyrea     notices
18:56 rangi        notices for me too
18:56 cait         oki :)
18:57 oleonard     I want to punch my internet connection in the face.
18:57 cait         hm
18:57 cait         could be a little hard
18:58 rangi        yeah they duck and weave
18:58 rangi        kick it in the nuts instead
18:58 rangi        wow, i may have had too much coffee already this morning
18:59 rangi        at its not 7 yet
18:59 rangi        at=and
19:00 * wizzyrea   giggles
19:00 * cait       giggles too
19:05 wizzyrea     better? http://screencast.com/t/8JZ0j3747
19:06 * oleonard   will tell you when RDA is ready
19:06 wizzyrea     pbbt
19:07 rangi        heh
19:07 oleonard     See, how long was that? Yes, better.
19:07 wizzyrea     omg oleonard has turned into a bot
19:08 wizzyrea     hehe
19:10 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
19:10 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #422: FIXED in 47 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/422/
19:10 jenkins_koha oleonard: Alternate fix for Bug 2534 - Viewing items table on item edit screen requires horizontal scrolling
19:10 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2534 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Viewing items table on item edit screen requires horizontal scrolling
19:11 rangi        take that
19:12 slef         aieeee
19:12 rangi        whoops did oleonard kick slef in the nuts instead of his internet connection?
19:13 oleonard     That would be quite a reach
19:13 rangi        dragonball z could do it
19:13 cait         lol
19:13 rangi        kamehameha!!!
19:13 cait         suddenly feels like friday
19:13 rangi        it is
19:13 wizzyrea     calm down tweek
19:14 rangi        and im going to the rugby tonight
19:14 trea         rangi check the scanner! What's his power level?
19:14 rangi        hehe
19:14 trea         hehe
19:15 * oleonard   is rockin' the downloads at 9.2KB/sec
19:15 rangi        i think i know whats been killing the git server
19:15 slef         its legitimate father?
19:15 rangi        bing
19:16 rangi        is downloading snapshots
19:16 slef         oh I had a fun one last month: googlebot downloaded a perl script from my site like 1.2 million times
19:16 rangi        yeah
19:16 rangi        like that
19:16 rangi        one snapshot for every commit
19:16 rangi        on eery branch
19:16 rangi        or every tag
19:17 slef         yeah, no, this wasn't in git. It was a static file.
19:17 rangi        ive wound down max connections in apache
19:17 rangi        so it shouldnt oom the box again
19:17 slef         yeah, apache tuning out of the box is horribly optimistic
19:17 rangi        but we really should put a robots.txt in
19:18 rangi        slef: yeah it sure
19:18 rangi        is
19:19 slef         I don't know if it works if you have nothing a2enmod'd
19:19 rangi        i suspect if you are just serving static files
19:19 rangi        small ones
19:19 rangi        its fine
19:19 sekjal       rangi:  I added a robots.txt to git.k-c.org, but I probably didn't set it up right
19:19 slef         but as soon as mod_php or similar is in there, you'd need about 30Gb of RAM for the defaults
19:19 rangi        its 404ing
19:19 rangi        slef: yup
19:20 rangi        sekjal: ill have a look when i get to work
19:26 cait         oleonard: around?
19:26 oleonard     Yes
19:26 cait         would you take a look at my file for the notices tab?
19:26 cait         I implemented your suggestion
19:27 cait         and I repaired the address display in the left column
19:27 cait         but it doesn't look nice really
19:27 oleonard     Sure
19:27 cait         cool
19:27 cait         want me to send oyu the patch directly?
19:27 oleonard     Yes
19:28 cait         ok
19:32 slef         I've just met bug 6460. A bit surprised that QA can block a partial fix for a regression. Aren't regressions failures of QA really? Anyway, I'll hack that next.
19:32 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6460 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , No log generated if Action set to All or Modify or Delete
19:44 kresp0       anyone knows how to delete all the items/books?
19:45 kresp0       i've inserted some books to test the installation and now i dont know how to delete it!
19:45 sekjal       kresp0: you can delete them all in MySQL
19:45 sekjal       there is no bulk biblio deletion through the staff client
19:45 sekjal       bulk item deletion, sure, but not the biblios
19:46 kresp0       sekjal, then, i just have to delete the data on biblioitems table, right?
19:46 sekjal       kresp0:  use "truncate biblio"
19:47 sekjal       that'll clean out biblio, biblioitems and items (by cascade)
19:47 cait         hm
19:47 kresp0       thanks sekjal
19:48 wizzyrea     cleaning the indexes as well?
19:49 kresp0       searching "truncate biblio" on google i found this sql commands to do what i want: http://drupal.org/node/666722
19:50 wizzyrea     clear indexes?
19:51 oleonard     What does Drupal have to do with Koha in this case?
19:51 * wizzyrea   was wondering as well
19:51 kresp0       ups
19:51 kresp0       oleonard, nothing :/
19:52 kresp0       wizzyrea, i dont know what are the koha indexes
19:52 wizzyrea     no I was wondering if the bot had advice on it
19:53 wizzyrea     http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/searching/#20
19:53 wizzyrea     is the next step
19:53 wizzyrea     after truncate biblio
19:53 kresp0       thank you wizzyrea
19:53 rangi        bbiab
19:53 rangi        catching bus
19:53 wizzyrea     sys
19:53 sekjal       slef:  I'm inclined to agree with Paul on bug 6460.... fixing the values passed by the template, instead of altering the SQL to handle the shorter values
19:53 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6460 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , No log generated if Action set to All or Modify or Delete
19:54 slef         sekjal: no value passed by the template will match everything, so a code change is still needed too. I'm coding it now.
19:55 sekjal       slef:  okay, cool
19:55 slef         sekjal: also seems like a mistake to leave it as PATCH-Sent and ASSIGNED for so long.
19:55 slef         but that's a workflow thing
19:56 sekjal       yeah, can't force code through the process.
20:00 slef         Not seeing "Also note that your patch prevent to change the select to have a "MULTIPLE", that would be a handy feature." - that was a multiple in koha 3.2 I think.
20:01 kresp0       wizzyrea, after doing "perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -r" i've got this message:
20:01 kresp0       "unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 307."
20:02 rangi        right on the bus, the only red white and blue thing I could find was my ny rangers hockey jersey
20:02 rangi        ill be the clown at the rugby in an ice hockey jersey
20:02 rangi        look for me on tv
20:02 wizzyrea     that is win.
20:03 wizzyrea     kresp0: you need to do
20:04 wizzyrea     export KOHA_CONF=/etc/koha/koha-conf.xml
20:04 wizzyrea     and
20:04 wizzyrea     export PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha/lib
20:04 wizzyrea     for a standard install
20:04 wizzyrea     I guess I should have asked, dev install or standard?
20:05 wizzyrea     or packages?
20:05 wahanui      package info is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_3.4_on_Debian_Squeeze
20:05 kresp0       package install
20:06 wizzyrea     oh there's a command to rebuild zebra for the packages
20:06 wizzyrea     somebody help me
20:06 rangi        oh then use the tools listed on a link at the bottom of the wiki page
20:07 rangi        on that page wizzyrea
20:07 kresp0       thank you very much wizzyrea, now the rebuild_zebra.pl seems to work
20:07 rangi        theres a link to the package scripts
20:07 kresp0       but i still see the books on the staff web
20:08 wizzyrea     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages
20:08 wizzyrea     ty rangi
20:08 wizzyrea     http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Commands_provided_by_the_Debian_packages#koha-rebuild-zebra
20:09 wizzyrea     kresp0: you probably want to run that koha-rebuild-zebra -f
20:09 wizzyrea     since you're on packages
20:10 wizzyrea     if you were using a standard or dev install it would be the other
20:10 kresp0       wizzyrea, i've tried "koha-rebuild-zebra -r" and "koha-rebuild-zebra -f", but i still see the books on the web :/
20:11 wizzyrea     did you truncate biblio?
20:11 kresp0       yes
20:11 rangi        and biblioitems?
20:11 kresp0       and biblioitems
20:11 kresp0       yes
20:11 kresp0       that tables are empty now
20:11 rangi        and u are passing in the instance name eh?
20:11 kresp0       mmm... no
20:12 wizzyrea     koha-mysql instancename would be the command to use, right?
20:13 kresp0       tried "koha-rebuild-zebra -f biblio" but still no luck
20:13 rangi        I was meaning the rebuild
20:13 * oleonard   heads out
20:13 rangi        no the instance you created
20:13 rangi        when u ran koha-create
20:13 rangi        not the table name
20:13 kresp0       "biblio" is the name of the instance i've created
20:14 cait         oleonard++ # ran out to fast but: thank you!
20:15 rangi        no idea then
20:15 wizzyrea     if you click the links does it 404
20:15 wizzyrea     after you search, if you click on a title does it return you a 404 kresp0
20:16 kresp0       "The record you requested does not exist (3)."
20:17 wizzyrea     so yea, they're gone
20:17 kresp0       yep, i can see the empty tables (biblio and biblioitems) on phpmyadmin
20:17 wizzyrea     a full reindex on the packages, it is supposed to drop and recreate the indexes?
20:17 rangi        im wondering if the permissions are messed up now
20:18 rangi        because you ran it by hand
20:18 * wizzyrea   frowns
20:18 wizzyrea     that's my fault.
20:19 rangi        the package scripts run as the user created when doing koha create
20:19 wizzyrea     could try the rebuild with a -v
20:19 rangi        take a look in /var/lib/koha
20:19 kresp0       i have a user named "biblio-koha" on my system
20:19 rangi        yes
20:20 rangi        so u need to check the zebra indexes are still owned by that
20:21 kresp0       "koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v biblio" output here: http://pastebin.com/WXPELD0W
20:21 kresp0       ok
20:21 wizzyrea     skipping biblios
20:22 kresp0       biblio-koha is the owner of all files and dirs under /var/lib/koha
20:22 rangi        cool
20:23 rangi        he's something to try
20:23 rangi        add one record
20:23 rangi        then run the rebuild -f again
20:23 slef         attached bug 6460 first draft of a fix
20:23 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6460 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, januszop, ASSIGNED , No log generated if Action set to All or Modify or Delete
20:24 kresp0       ok rangi, one sec
20:28 rangi        bbiab
20:30 wizzyrea     what's the deal with 6887?
20:32 sekjal       wizzyrea:  sorry, I accidentally resent it
20:33 sekjal       re-sent, not resent
20:33 wizzyrea     oh, I thought that there was something wrong and the patch was spectacularly failing or something
20:34 wizzyrea     an 'o god please don't push this into koha' thing
20:34 cait         wizzyrea... do you want a cookie?
20:34 sekjal       I must be getting tired; was trying to get another couple patches published before feature freeze
20:34 wizzyrea     man I am having an afternoon, for sure.
20:35 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6403] Record local use stats when checking in <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6403> / [Bug 6902] Add integration for EBSCO's Novelist Select service <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6902>
20:35 wizzyrea     oh
20:35 wizzyrea     I had a question earlier
20:35 wizzyrea     regarding testing patches that revise the DB
20:35 wizzyrea     best practices for that?
20:35 rangi        backup
20:36 sekjal       for bigger changes (like Hourly Loans), you could spin up a whole new database and repoint your koha-conf.xml at it
20:36 wizzyrea     do you have to set the db number at all?
20:36 wizzyrea     or is it ok to test with the x
20:37 cait         bug 3941 awaiting sign-off :)
20:37 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3941 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Combine Notices & Messaging Tabs
20:37 * wizzyrea   jumps on it
20:37 rangi        bug 6205
20:37 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6205 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, frederic, REOPENED , doc-head-open.inc not found.
20:37 rangi        too
20:37 * cait       send wizzyrea lots of cookies
20:37 cait         I know
20:37 * cait       jumps that
20:38 wizzyrea     cait - new one on me
20:38 wizzyrea     wait
20:38 wizzyrea     i'm dumb
20:38 wizzyrea     sec
20:39 wizzyrea     ok it's fine i'm a maroon
20:39 cait         no you are not - but you confused me
20:39 rangi        hmm chocolate maroons
20:39 wizzyrea     cait - beautiful!
20:39 cait         glad you like it
20:40 cait         oleonard and rangi helped
20:40 cait         rangi++ oleonard++
20:40 wizzyrea     cait++
20:40 wizzyrea     i love that
20:40 wizzyrea     works a treat too
20:40 rangi        and we even learnt about a new cool TT filter
20:40 wizzyrea     oooOOOooo
20:41 cait         I used one to get the line breaks :)
20:41 wizzyrea     I like that a lot
20:41 cait         but the hint came from rangi
20:41 kresp0       rangi: i created one record and then executed "koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v biblio" again. output: http://pastebin.com/ELDrDxHZ
20:42 cait         wizzyrea: can you do some proof reading of the patch itself too?
20:42 cait         make sure nothing has unintentionally crept in?
20:42 kresp0       rangi: now it works! :D thank you very much
20:45 kresp0       ty wizzyrea and everyone else too
20:45 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 3941] Combine Notices & Messaging Tabs <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3941>
20:45 kresp0       bye
20:48 sekjal       wizzyrea, cait, rangi:  in an effort to make it easier to git-bz apply 3941, I'm obsoleting the two patch attachments prior to wizzyrea's signoff
20:49 wizzyrea     sekjal dah I usually do that
20:49 wizzyrea     sorry >.<
20:49 sekjal       no worries
20:50 rangi        thanks sekjal
20:50 cait         thx
20:50 cait         wizzyrea++ ian++
20:50 cait         oh
20:51 cait         and should be signed off
20:51 wizzyrea     ?
20:54 sekjal       for 3941:  very nice, much cleaner, one small thing
20:54 sekjal       clicking on notice link a second time does not collapse that notice
20:55 sekjal       clicking on a different one closes the first
20:55 cait         hm
20:55 sekjal       but once one is open, one will stay open until you leave the page or refresh
20:55 cait         I am not sure how to make it work differently
20:55 sekjal       this is not important enough to block QA
20:55 huginn       New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 4841] Advanced search returns 0 results if the itemtype have no items <http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4841>
20:55 cait         owen helped with that
20:55 cait         I can try to work up something as follow-up?
20:56 cait         would this be ok?
20:56 cait         because it's already quite late
20:56 * cait       should sleep :)
20:56 sekjal       I'm just being overly nit-picky
20:56 cait         and my time is running out - 22nd is almost over
20:56 cait         no, it sounds reasonable
20:56 sekjal       this patch has passed QA; marking as such
20:56 cait         yay :)
20:56 wizzyrea     hehe, you have until hawaii rolls over, go go go!
20:57 cait         rangi said my time zone - not goint to cheat
20:57 rangi        and its only for new enh patches
20:57 sekjal       a second click to collapse is a separate enhancement (or a followup)
20:57 wizzyrea     right we've still got time for bugfixes
20:57 sekjal       once the initial enhancement is submitted, even if it's still in Needs Signoff, it's fair game for inclusion in 3.6 (if it passes the process)
20:58 rangi        yup
21:01 cait         but I got lucky - liz signed off
21:01 * cait       sends liz cookies
21:04 * sekjal     is a little excited about the next month... lots of goodies in the queue to test and (hopefully) pass
21:04 rangi        yup :)
21:04 * sekjal     played with the Star Ratings last night... pretty cool stuff (despite the couple of issues I found)
21:05 wizzyrea     star ratings! wherezat
21:05 rangi        albany senior high school did it
21:05 wizzyrea     kewlll
21:05 rangi        been live there for a while mason wrote it
21:06 rangi        http://library.ashs.school.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=200
21:06 wizzyrea     aw wicked
21:07 sekjal       bug 5668
21:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=5668 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Star ratings in the opac
21:07 rangi        remommendations is the next one to get in, but that will be 3.8
21:07 rangi        http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=775
21:07 rangi        check the recommendations tab there
21:07 sekjal       bug 6772
21:07 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6772 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, robin, ASSIGNED , Implementation of a recommendations engine
21:08 rangi        then we combine the 2
21:08 rangi        to make the recommendations better using the ratings
21:09 sekjal       those stars make me think about Netflix integration
21:09 sekjal       actually, Netflix and Quikster, now
21:09 * wizzyrea   mutters something about amazon lending through overdrive
21:11 rangi        with our powers of evil combined, we become captain douchebag
21:12 wizzyrea     oh and everybody is SO excited about it.
21:12 * wizzyrea   mutters.
21:12 wizzyrea     it'll be great until they take it away
21:13 * sekjal     starts spinning off now into thinking about Koha integration with Pandora, Last.fm, Grooveshark, etc.
21:13 rangi        libre.fm
21:13 rangi        did i show you this yet?
21:13 rangi        http://yfrog.com/mmjxxrmj
21:13 rangi        ppl who went to kohacon will recognise that space
21:13 wizzyrea     whaaaat
21:13 * wizzyrea   hopes they're not using the leaf ball as a ball >.>
21:14 rangi        hehe
21:14 wizzyrea     and that they are watching out for it when they kick
21:14 wizzyrea     :P
21:14 sekjal       whoa
21:15 rangi        there are ppl all over it at lunch etc
21:15 rangi        http://usrugbynz.com/  <-- cute
21:16 wizzyrea     long and proud?
21:16 sehrish      hi room
21:17 wizzyrea     hi
21:17 cait         hi sehrish
21:24 sehrish      how r u cait?
21:24 sehrish      thanks for reply
21:25 cait         I am fine thank you
21:28 wizzyrea     aw, cute
21:28 wizzyrea     http://www.drawastickman.com/
21:32 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6881 - Not able to accept a suggestion (typo in template) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4029e8ed755b58c7b3a25c162838c20f5a6ad149>
21:32 ibeardslee   oh that's awesome
21:32 cait         ian: want to see the follow up? :)
21:32 cait         or sekjal :)
21:32 * cait       is all excited
21:33 sekjal       cait:  sure!
21:33 cait         :)
21:37 * rangi      will wait on pushing 3941 and push them all in one go
21:37 cait         patch applied
21:38 jenkins_koha Starting build 423 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
21:38 cait         hm attached even :)
21:38 sekjal       nice
21:39 sekjal       does exactly what I'd hoped it to do
21:39 sekjal       thanks, cait!
21:40 cait         yep, I am much happier with it now too
21:40 sekjal       followup passed QA
21:40 sekjal       all good stuff
21:40 * wizzyrea   cheers
21:41 cait         :)
21:43 wizzyrea     cool I like it
21:43 wizzyrea     good stuff cait++
21:44 * cait       blushes
21:50 * cait       pokes eythian
21:50 rangi        not at his desk yet
21:50 * rangi      pushes 6755
21:50 cait         I thought so
21:50 rangi        but with reservations
21:50 wizzyrea     bug 6755
21:50 rangi        i hope ppl read the last comment
21:50 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages
21:50 cait         oh
21:51 wizzyrea     rangi, is git pull --rebase the same as git fetch && git rebase origin
21:52 rangi        yup
21:52 * wizzyrea   sighs with relief.
21:52 wizzyrea     wouldn't wanna be telling people wrong
21:52 wizzyrea     less typing :P
21:55 sekjal       anyone recall an issue of a title suddenly not being retrievable by keyword search, but still by title search?
21:55 cait         hm
21:55 cait         no
21:55 wizzyrea     sounds like an index to me
21:55 wizzyrea     change one thing about the bib and give it 10?
21:55 wahanui      wizzyrea: that doesn't look right
21:56 wizzyrea     (to reindex it)
21:56 sekjal       wizzyrea:  doesn't help
21:56 wizzyrea     weeird.
21:57 wizzyrea     how does it fail?
21:57 * cait       pokes eythian again
21:57 wizzyrea     i have seen a problem where the keyword searches bring back a different record with something wrong with it, so the search bombs
21:58 wizzyrea     something else in the result set is broken, is what I mean
21:58 wizzyrea     and when you title search it
21:58 sekjal       searching keyword for full title phrase gives no results.  title searching for that same phrase gives exact match
21:58 wizzyrea     the result set doesn't include the broken record
21:58 sekjal       ah
21:58 sekjal       good point
21:59 wizzyrea     damn near impossible to determine what the problem is from the web interface though
21:59 wizzyrea     we always had a full reindex to fix, I think
22:03 wizzyrea     sekjal: regarding 5533
22:03 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6755 follow up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=d60732119c95eeb27af0a79adec4fcfa6d9c966e> / Bug 6755 Problems with switching languages <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b8be20497dd877c4ba5c5278a89fd82fc0862a9>
22:03 wizzyrea     at least at nekls we haven't ever expected lost values other than 1 to charge the patron
22:04 sekjal       dang, eythian probably could have answered my question...
22:05 sekjal       wizzyrea:  in my mind, any item field tied to an Authorized Value should treat all values > 0 equally
22:05 sekjal       the difference is just textual, for reporting
22:05 sekjal       but the semantic meaning is the same
22:05 sekjal       if we need to assign more semantics to a set of values, that's when they need to get pull out into their own tables, like itemtypes
22:06 wizzyrea     well lost and paid for?
22:06 wizzyrea     shouldn't charge the account for sure
22:07 sekjal       that's a default value only, though... it can be removed or renamed by the library
22:08 sekjal       I just don't see any sane mechanism for enforcing different system behaviour based on the value of the auth val
22:08 sekjal       except for <, > or = 0
22:08 sekjal       and even the less than 0 I'm not so sure about
22:08 wizzyrea     well no, especially since they're pretty well arbitrary. I suspect that they were put in as authorized values because that's an easy way to make them customizable
22:08 wizzyrea     to workflows
22:09 rangi        yeah they were always hardcoded
22:09 wizzyrea     but saying that one of them confers special powers, I can dig it
22:09 wizzyrea     but I see why it's problematic
22:09 cait         hm I think the lost values have different semantics
22:09 rangi        then they got moved to authorised values to make it easy to change
22:09 * cait       should scroll down
22:09 sekjal       yet another reason to move to a unified concept of "status"
22:10 rangi        in the good news front
22:10 rangi        Rail travel is at an all-time high. For the first time ever, Amtrak will reach 30 million riders in one year!
22:10 wizzyrea     And being able to confer special powers on any lost status *would* be cool
22:10 sekjal       just requires we define what special powers are available
22:10 wizzyrea     "remove item from account (or not)," "Charge patron replacement fee (or not)"
22:11 sekjal       those would have to be hardcoded, but what values they apply to would be up to the library
22:11 wizzyrea     "generate a notice (or not)
22:11 wizzyrea     "
22:11 wizzyrea     to start
22:12 wizzyrea     so like lost and paid for would have remove item from account, and no replacement fee
22:12 wizzyrea     long overdue would leave the item on the account, send a notice
22:13 wizzyrea     missing is usualy library only, an item that's not out
22:13 wizzyrea     at least in nexpress
22:14 wizzyrea     afk a min
22:14 sekjal       gtg
22:14 sekjal       must buy cat food
22:15 cait         :)
22:16 cait         hmm
22:16 * cait       pokes eythian again-again
22:20 bg           I'm wondering if I'm having a brain fart moment..  if I change the version number in my installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl  then it should kick the web installer off correct?  (I know when you submit something you should have it as XXX…  )
22:23 bg           oh yeah happy birthday to bilbo and frodo today :D
22:24 rangi        you have to change it in kohaversion.pl
22:24 rangi        frodo stole my milk, the little bugger
22:24 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #423: SUCCESS in 46 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/423/
22:24 jenkins_koha Chris Cormack: Bug 6881 - Not able to accept a suggestion (typo in template)
22:24 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6881 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, henridamien, NEW , Can't accept suggestions
22:25 jenkins_koha Starting build 424 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:25 bg           oh yeah rangi that's where I first changed it
22:25 bg           sorry about the milk
22:25 rangi        yep so if the version in there
22:25 rangi        is higher than the one in the db
22:25 rangi        its should kick the installer off
22:26 bg           it should kick the installer
22:26 bg           ok so I'm not having a brain fart
22:26 rangi        and the updatedatabase should change the version number so it stops kicking it off
22:26 bg           thanks..
22:31 bg           noice - got it - merge conflict
22:31 bg           heh
22:31 bg           sweet
22:34 eythian      cait: sup?
22:34 cait         he is alive!
22:34 eythian      barely :)
22:35 cait         sup?
22:36 eythian      notmuch
22:36 cait         hehe was does it mean?
22:37 eythian      shorthand for "what's up?"
22:37 cait         aha
22:38 cait         I send a patch - I am happy
22:38 eythian      cool
22:38 cait         now I have to worry about my exam on saturday
22:38 cait         and about my train leaving earlier than I expected tomorrow morning
22:38 eythian      erk
22:38 eythian      train to where?
22:39 cait         dortmund
22:41 eythian      ah right
22:42 eythian      rats, I need a letter of invitation for kohacon for the visa.
22:42 eythian      Silly visas.
22:42 wizzyrea     srsly?
22:42 wizzyrea     at least you don't need an FBI background check.
22:42 wizzyrea     sheesh.
22:42 eythian      I'm not going to go there and steal their jobs or exploit their public health system...I suspect ours are better anyway.
22:43 eythian      no, we don't have an FBI.
22:43 wizzyrea     ^.^
22:43 eythian      Oh well, I'm sure kmkale has a template he can just send out.
22:46 rangi        i can give you a kohacon10 one and you can change the dates and place ;)
22:46 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 3941: Follow up <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5dfe7bb35d2b23a73fe7401cff01294852d36f7> / Bug 3941 - Combine Notices & Messaging Tabs <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=042fd50313ecc448445ba61d4cd8552bdcc93201>
22:46 rangi        cait: look at that!!
22:47 cait         hehe
22:47 * cait       is so totally used to seeing her name there
22:48 cait         YAY! *dances*
22:49 eythian      The good ol' commit-dance, eh?
22:49 cait         hehe
22:57 cait         good night #koha
23:03 talljoy      can someone point me to a link showing the list of contributors to Koha code?
23:04 wizzyrea     http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob_plain;f=docs/history.txt;hb=HEAD
23:05 talljoy      wizzyrea++
23:05 talljoy      thanks
23:05 wizzyrea     yw
23:11 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #424: UNSTABLE in 46 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/424/
23:11 jenkins_koha * f.demians: Bug 6755 Problems with switching languages
23:11 jenkins_koha * alex.arnaud: Bug 6755 follow up
23:11 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6755 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Problems with switching languages
23:11 jenkins_koha Starting build 425 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #423 1 h 33 mn ago)
23:42 huginn       New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'kc/new/bug_6755' into kcmaster <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c09527abe0322c707c8a01a2195b7385d31b418> / Bug 6755 follow up, fixing broken POD <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e7b1636086b6689e72905c5008841e585c04e8e>
23:58 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #425: STILL UNSTABLE in 46 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/425/
23:58 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3941 - Combine Notices & Messaging Tabs
23:58 jenkins_koha * Katrin.Fischer.83: Bug 3941: Follow up
23:58 huginn       04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3941 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, katrin.fischer, NEW , Combine Notices & Messaging Tabs
23:58 jenkins_koha Starting build 426 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #423 2 h 20 mn ago)