IRC log for #koha, 2011-08-17

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00:01 bencahill before that these two:
00:01 bencahill [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied]
00:01 bencahill [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/shadow..LCK [Permission denied]
00:01 rangi yeah there you go
00:01 rangi did you run it as root or something, before you ran it as koha?
00:01 bencahill I'm running it as koha
00:02 rangi you will have messed up the permissions if you did
00:02 bencahill rangi: I ran zebrasrv first as root...
00:02 bencahill now running as koha
00:02 rangi something/someone ran it before as root
00:02 bencahill rangi: zebrasrv, or
00:02 rangi cd /var/lock/koha
00:02 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #382: SUCCESS in 43 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/382/
00:02 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 5098: Add csv headers in overdues
00:02 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug_4002: issues referential integrity
00:02 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5098 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , overdue script and csv
00:02 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bumping database version
00:02 rangi probably maybe sometime in the past
00:03 rangi sudo chown -R koha:koha zebradb
00:03 bencahill rangi: actually, yes, it was run (although failed) by the installer
00:03 rangi then try your rebuild again
00:03 bencahill rangi: so yes...
00:03 bencahill ok, sec
00:03 rangi ahh that must be an arch thing
00:03 bencahill rangi: just something the pkg creator put in there
00:03 rangi ah right
00:04 * bencahill likes things working :-D
00:04 rangi yeah, probably dont want that, if its gonna mess up permissions :)
00:04 * eythian tries not to make a jibe about "confusing" ;)
00:04 eythian but fails
00:04 bencahill eythian: lol
00:06 bencahill rangi: those errors are gone, but these are here now:
00:06 bencahill [warn] Failed to open /var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios/shadow/ [Permission denied]
00:06 bencahill [fatal] mf_read2 reci-i internal error
00:06 bencahill [fatal] cf_open failed for reci
00:06 bencahill [fatal] open reci [Permission denied]
00:06 rangi another chown needed
00:07 bencahill rangi: oh right, I didn't notice that it was another dir
00:07 bencahill d'oh
00:07 bencahill okay, third time's the charm, right? :-P
00:07 libsysguy nengard: I am taking off for today...I messed up my commit for that patch (i forgot I had uncommitted files) so I'll attempt to fix tomorrow and get it in
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00:09 rangi hi NateC
00:09 NateC hiya rangi!
00:10 bencahill rangi: it appears to have worked! now I just need to set up the cron job?
00:10 rangi first try a search
00:10 rangi in koha
00:10 rangi see if its happy
00:10 bencahill rangi: opac?
00:10 wahanui opac is for patrons
00:10 rangi either is fine
00:10 wahanui i already had it that way, rangi.
00:10 rangi and then if its all good, set up the cron job
00:11 rangi ohh cool
00:11 bencahill rangi: searching in cataloging, it says No results found, and gives a bunch of 'Biblios in reservoir' ?
00:12 rangi right, does look like it worked then
00:12 bencahill rangi: what are biblios in reservoir?
00:12 rangi zebrasrv is definitely running eh?
00:12 rangi those are old ones from imports, or z3950 searches
00:12 bencahill rangi: oh, zebrasrv isn't
00:12 rangi that'd do it
00:12 bencahill maybe I didn't start it back up...
00:13 rangi  <-- think ill try using this for my next presentation
00:14 bencahill rangi: that's pretty sweet :)
00:16 bencahill rangi: dumb mistake on my part in the daemon script, all fixed now...and searching works
00:18 rangi sweet
00:19 bencahill rangi: do I make cron run the same thing (-r -a -b -d)?
00:19 rangi nope
00:20 rangi look at the crontab.example in misc/cronjobs
00:20 bencahill s/-d/-v/
00:20 bencahill rangi: oh mind keeps getting messed up here...
00:22 bencahill rangi: I don't need all of those, right? (e.g. we've disabled holds)
00:26 rangi nope just choose the ones you want
00:26 bencahill right...
00:27 eythian rangi: is that the zoomy text ones?
00:28 eythian I dislike those
00:28 rangi you can make it be zoomy text if you want
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02:35 jenkins_koha Starting build 35 for job Koha_3.4.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
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03:16 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.4.x build #35: SUCCESS in 40 mn: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.4.x/35/
03:16 jenkins_koha * christophe.croullebois: Bug 6116: Adding a child patron
03:16 jenkins_koha * brice.sanchez: Bug 5713 :debug calculation when fines are reversed then re-payed
03:16 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 5098: Add csv headers in overdues
03:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6116 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, julian.maurice, ASSIGNED , Adding child patron: library not set
03:16 jenkins_koha * paul.poulain: bug_4002: issues referential integrity
03:16 jenkins_koha * chris.nighswonger: Updating Version Number to
03:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5713 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, brice.sanchez, ASSIGNED , Intranet - Circulation - Fines : debug calculation when fines are reversed then re-payed
03:16 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5098 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , overdue script and csv
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04:25 kmkale Namaskar #koha
04:25 eythian hello.
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05:11 cait good morning #koha
05:12 eythian hi
05:14 Oak Guten Morgen cait
05:15 cait salaam oak
05:15 cait hi mr robin
05:15 Oak hello mr robin
05:15 Oak let's all have cookies
05:15 cait eythian: how is the weather? still cold?
05:15 Oak cait
05:15 eythian cait: yep
05:15 Oak that's you
05:15 Oak cookie lady
05:15 cait cookies for breakfast... mm
05:16 cait eythian: :(
05:18 eythian cait: yeah, snowing in parts of the country that it never snows in, that sort of thing.
05:19 cait are the buses running now?
05:19 eythian I think most of them are
05:20 eythian it's not so icy right now.
05:21 cait ok
05:21 eythian ferries are shut down due to heavy swells
05:21 eythian and the power's been blinking a bit again
05:29 cait it's strange to see how a little bit of snow and ice can cause all that
05:30 cait only we are used to it of course
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05:32 eythian yeah, it's less of a problem down south where it happens every year or two, but it's every decade or two here.
05:40 rangi well its coupled with lightning strikes, you dont normally get snow, 112kmph gusts and lightning all at the same time
05:41 rangi 8m the swell was today that woulda been fun
05:42 rangi hail and 8m swells Hehe
05:43 cait hi rnagi
05:43 cait rangi
05:43 rangi I once was on the ferry in waves like that, it wasn't the waves that got me, it was everyone vomitting :)
05:43 rangi its contagious
05:43 rangi heya cait
05:44 cait uuuh :(
05:44 rangi very very full buses today
05:46 rangi terrace tunnel closed
05:46 eythian yeah. I may not bike home.
05:46 rangi accident
05:46 eythian oh good.
05:47 rangi you pick up lots when u can hear the bus radio
05:49 cait flipflops--
05:49 rangi also the girl down the back really hates kelly
05:49 rangi there ends news from the bus
05:50 magnus_away is now known as magnuse
05:50 cait morning magnuse
05:50 magnuse guten morgen cait & #koha
05:50 eythian rangi: ohh, wait til kelly hears about that. Then it'll be ON!
05:51 magnuse uh oh
05:52 rangi Hehe
05:55 rangi crazy bastards are playing rugby
05:55 rangi @wunder wellington nz
05:55 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 7.0�C (5:00 PM NZST on August 17, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising).
05:56 magnuse @wunder boo
05:56 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 17.0�C (7:20 AM CEST on August 17, 2011). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling).
05:56 magnuse it's never too cold for rugby, eh?
05:56 rangi apparently not
05:56 rangi netball is worse
05:56 magnuse netball?
05:56 wahanui netball is worse
05:57 rangi they cancel club rugby if its really wet
05:57 rangi cos it rips up the field
05:57 rangi netball they play in short skirts in any weather
05:57 eythian rangi: the last time it froze bad in Dunedin (that is, about 3 weeks ago) they held the nude rugby competition.
05:57 rangi Hehe
05:58 eythian that was the weekend the south island was shut down.
05:58 rangi yep
05:58 magnuse "Netball is a ball sport played between two teams of seven players. The sport derived from early versions of basketball and is similar to it in many respects. Netball developed as a distinct sport in the 1890s in England, from which it spread to other countries. It is popular in many Commonwealth nations and is predominantly played by women."
05:58 * magnuse is a little bit wiser
05:59 rangi heh
05:59 rangi its the most popular sport for women in nz
06:00 magnuse hm, and i never heard of it... or perhaps i (would) have mistaken it for basketball....
06:00 rangi I spent many hours on the sideline at the haitaitai netball courts watching
06:00 rangi nope, no backboard
06:00 rangi no dribbling
06:01 eythian yeah, it looks very different to basketball
06:01 magnuse "From the start, netball was viewed as an appropriate sport for women to play, with restricted movement that appealed to contemporary notions on women's participation in sports, while remaining distinct from potentially rival male sports."
06:01 rangi its kinda like handball
06:01 magnuse ah
06:01 rangi but with a hoop and more rules :)
06:01 magnuse probably says something about my interest in sports...
06:02 cait magnuse: I share your interest in sports ;9
06:02 cait ;)
06:02 rangi imagine basketball but you had to freeze when u catch the ball
06:02 rangi can only pass
06:03 rangi and have 3 seconds to do so
06:03 * magnuse tries, but gives up ;-)
06:17 cait hehe
06:17 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6516] koha-create makes assumptions about borrowernumber of staff user <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6516>
06:18 eythian magnuse: you're making more work for me to test things, eh.
06:19 magnuse moahaha
06:19 magnuse i'm definitely trying to! ;-)
06:20 eythian :)
06:20 alex_away is now known as alex_a
06:21 alex_a hello #koha !
06:21 magnuse bonjour alex_a
06:28 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6678] Fix some problems with the standard NORMARC framework <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6678>
06:28 cait bonjour alex_a
06:29 magnuse time to go to work! see ya later
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06:30 magnuse kia ora #koha
06:30 magnuse phew, commuting...
06:36 cait lol
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06:36 reiveune hello
06:36 magnuse bonjour reiveune
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06:37 reiveune hi magnuse :)
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06:55 julian hi
06:56 magnuse jbonjour julian
06:56 julian hello magnuse
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07:13 francharb hello #koha
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07:16 kf commuting...
07:16 kf hi #koha
07:20 magnuse hiya kf
07:20 kf hi magnuse :)
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08:01 * Oak waves
08:02 magnuse Oak
08:02 Oak magnuse
08:02 Oak how is you?
08:02 magnuse i'm fine
08:02 Oak good
08:03 magnuse trying to make sense of my calendar for september
08:03 magnuse and yourself?
08:03 Oak i is fine too :)
08:03 Oak ah, I don't have a calendar.
08:04 Oak what do you have in your calendar? meetings birthdays etc?
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08:20 magnuse Oak: too many meetings and other things that involve travel...
08:20 Oak ah, yes, got it. i don't have meetings.
08:28 rangi evening
08:28 magnuse kia ora rangi
08:32 kf hi rangi
08:32 kf my coworkers asks about the snow
08:34 rangi its just ice now
08:34 rangi snow is gone, (cept on the hills)
08:34 rangi black ice causing crashes
08:34 magnuse ice--
08:36 rangi[…]photos-August-17/
08:37 Oak heya rangi
08:38 Oak whoa! it looks the same now like in the photo... after so many years. wow.
08:38 Oak very cool
08:38 kf ice--
08:39 kf snow_dalek++
08:41 rangi[…]p-10-snow-moments
08:44 rangi[…]er-for-two-nights  <-- that wouldnt be fun
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09:42 slef hi all
09:42 rangi hi slef
09:45 magnuse kia ora slef
09:46 kf hi slef
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10:04 kmkale Namaste druthb :)
10:04 druthb o/
10:04 magnuse \o
10:04 druthb Namaste, kmkale
10:08 kmkale Namaste magnuse
10:09 magnuse namaskar kmkale
10:09 kmkale :)
10:09 kf hi kmkale
10:09 kmkale Namaste kf  :)
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10:32 slef @marc 300 a
10:32 huginn slef: Extent The number of pages, volumes, cassettes, total playing time, etc., of the described item. (Repeatable)
10:33 kmkale slef: you had prepared a schedule for kohacon11. Can't find it. Do you have a link?
10:35 slef kmkale: will be 30mins before I can look. I was working in the OCS admin and describing stuff in #koha if you want to search before I can.
10:36 kmkale I will search. But pl send whenever you can..
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10:52 rangi magnuse++
10:55 kf magnuse++
10:56 kf libriotech++
10:56 kmkale slef: got it. Thanks..
10:57 slef wahanui: C4?
10:57 wahanui slef: no idea
11:03 magnuse *blushes*
11:03 kf :)
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11:35 druthb magnuse++ #
11:35 magnuse :-)
11:39 druthb How much use do you expect to see on that, magnuse?
11:39 magnuse i have absolutely no idea!
11:39 magnuse i have had two beta testers so far
11:39 magnuse it could 3 or 100...
11:40 * druthb would *so* do that, if she had the resource to do so.  Maybe.....
11:40 druthb I like your terms on that, too...very sensible.
11:40 magnuse thanks, i was a bit worried about them
11:40 magnuse but i hope i have struck a balance
11:41 druthb Time will tell, but they look very good, to me.
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11:45 magnuse kia ora jwagner
11:46 jwagner Hi magnuse!
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11:56 magnuse kia ora NateC
11:57 NateC kia ora magnuse :D
11:57 NateC man i miss NZ :(
11:58 magnuse yeah, me too!
11:59 kf hi NateC
11:59 jwagner When I retire, and can spare the time for taking a ship across, I really want to spend a lot of time in NZ and Australia.  But I can't face that flight again....
11:59 kf I think we all do...
11:59 NateC Hi kf!
11:59 kf yes, the flight was loooong.
11:59 NateC I actually did not mind the flight at all, weird I know...
12:00 magnuse hm, the memories have faded for me, i think of it as "not too bad"
12:00 magnuse the flights, that is
12:00 magnuse and i had ~36 hours each way...
12:00 NateC ouch
12:00 NateC thats a lot
12:00 NateC I think mine was like 22 hours each way
12:01 NateC but I actually found it better than many flights I take from NY to LA
12:01 magnuse and i MUST see the south island some time, preferably within the next 10-15 years or so...
12:01 NateC must have been that NZ hospitality
12:01 magnuse hehe
12:03 magnuse AirNZ was really nice, i think
12:07 kf around 30 from here too
12:08 kf ie--
12:08 kf @karma ie
12:08 huginn kf: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 21 times for a total karma of -21.
12:08 magnuse yay
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12:41 jwagner There was a marked difference in service and comfort between the DC-to-LA (American Airlines) and LA-to-Auckland (Qantas) flights.  I wish Qantas and Air New Zealand could do U.S. domestic flights :-(
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12:50 Agent_Dani Morning!
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12:55 oleonard Hi #koha
12:55 Agent_Dani Hi oleonard
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13:05 slef Aren't Qantas about to offshore a load of their operation to Asia because Australia won't let them cut service down enough?
13:06 jwagner No idea on that.  I just know the service, attention, and comfort on the Quantas flights were _FAR_ above anything U.S. airlines are offering these days.
13:06 slef wow, doesn't have a non-js search
13:07 slef[…]ical-heat/2844026
13:07 slef Don't worry jwagner. The US is encouraging the rest of the world to race to the bottom with it.
13:08 oleonard Isn't that the truth.
13:09 jwagner It would be nice to think that good airline service still exists somewhere...
13:09 slef AirNZ is the best I've experienced in over a decade.
13:12 jwagner I took a puddlejumper from Wellington to Rotorua and was surprised to find that there was actual LEGROOM!  Definitely not something you find on puddlejumpers in the U.S.  Or on big planes, for that matter.
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13:38 libsysguy can anybody tell me what $|=1 does in perl?
13:40 magnuse something to do with flushing output, i think?
13:40 libsysguy hmm...i see it all the time in druthb scripts
13:40 libsysguy but i could never figure out what it did
13:42 magnuse "If set to nonzero, forces an fflush(3) after every write or print on the currently selected output channel"
13:42 magnuse ...according to "perl in a nutshell"
13:42 libsysguy i knew i should have gotten a book lol
13:45 magnuse :-)
13:45 libsysguy magnuse++
13:47 magnuse libsysguy: you can also do "perldoc perlvar" and search for AUTOFLUSH
13:48 libsysguy cool thanks magnuse...i was just doing a search for that expression earlier and I was getting stuff about G+
13:49 magnuse heh
13:49 magnuse in perldoc perlvar you can also search for \$\|
13:49 libsysguy bah forgot to escape the $
13:50 magnuse hehe
13:50 magnuse perldoc++
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14:02 wizzyrea i'm sad I missed a discussion of air travel to NZ
14:02 jwagner Never too late to resurrect it, wizzyrea!
14:02 wizzyrea :)
14:02 magnuse what jwagner said!
14:03 wizzyrea US -> NZ = AirNZ, and simply awesome. NZ -> AUS = AirNZ, also awesome. AUS -> US = Delta...
14:03 wizzyrea not so awesome.
14:04 oleonard Is this why wizzyrea?
14:04 jwagner Being in a cranky mood I sent a complaint letter to Delta a couple of weeks ago.  They gave me some extra FF miles but didn't explain or apologize what I was complaining about.....
14:05 wizzyrea hehehe I don't think there were any naked flight attendants on my flight
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14:06 magnuse sounds like something you'd remember...
14:06 Agent_Dani O.o
14:07 jcamins_away Naked flight attendants? Why would there be naked flight attendants?
14:07 wizzyrea click that link up there jcamins_away
14:07 wizzyrea those aren't clothes they're wearing
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14:09 jcamins_away Wow.
14:09 magnuse hehe
14:09 wizzyrea but the real proper answer is "why aren't there naked flight attendants"
14:11 jcamins_away Shari had already seen that, but I hadn't. I hope the makeup people got a bonus for that ad.
14:13 oleonard For some, working on that ad /was/ the bonus!
14:13 wizzyrea ooh la la
14:13 jcamins_away Heh.
14:14 jcamins_away Apparently the concept of NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) has been replaced by BANANA (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything).
14:14 jwagner I dunno.  I'm always freezing cold on airplanes, and I imagine naked flight attendants would be too...
14:20 wizzyrea jcamins_away: is there context there that I'm missing?
14:20 * Agent_Dani watches that ad and thinks of the Right Said Fred video.
14:22 jcamins_away wizzyrea: no, there isn't, I just like the acronym "BANANA." :)
14:22 wizzyrea certainly it's germane considering the ad we're talking about.
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14:39 tcohen has anyone experienced problems installing translations on fresh 3.4.3?
14:40 tcohen I get:
14:40 tcohen Malformed UTF-8 character (fatal) at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/LibXML/ line 217.
14:40 tcohen BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at line 23.
14:40 tcohen Compilation failed in require at translate line 25.
14:40 tcohen BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at translate line 25.
14:41 tcohen (running PERL5LIB=/usr/share/koha_xxx/lib/ perl translate install es-ES BTW)
14:43 jcamins_away tcohen: corrupted po file.
14:43 jcamins_away tcohen: I had that error at some point.
14:44 jcamins_away The problem had something to do with a non-ascii character preceding "%s" IIRC.
14:44 tcohen jcamins_away: maybe, just got the po files from translate.koha...
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14:44 tcohen is there a way to test po files?
14:45 jcamins_away And you checked that the right XML parser is in use, correct?
14:45 jcamins_away tcohen: I'm not sure. I don't actually know anything about translations.
14:46 tcohen mmm, I get the same error with every language I test
14:47 tcohen will delete everything and reinstall
14:47 wizzyrea chekc your xml parser before you do that?
14:47 wizzyrea sec and I'll find the instructions
14:47 tcohen I changed the parser AFTER installing
14:47 tcohen perhaps the installer did weird things
14:47 tcohen using a bad parser
14:48 wizzyrea that shouldn't matter, as long as it's the right one. keyword *shouldn't*
14:49 tcohen wizzyrea, if the install procedure used the bad one, maybe weird things happened, *maybe*
14:50 tcohen he
14:50 wizzyrea maybe
14:52 tcohen perl translate install fr-FR
14:52 tcohen Malformed UTF-8 character (fatal) at /usr/lib/perl5/XML/LibXML/ line 217.
14:52 tcohen damn
15:05 tcohen ok, can't reproduce anymore
15:06 tcohen it looks like perl Makefile.PL using a bad parser Expat here
15:06 tcohen produced the problem
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15:06 tcohen its weird that make clean didn't clean it
15:14 reiveune bye
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15:23 slef tcohen: can't reproduce anymore? fertility problems?
15:25 kf hmpf
15:25 kf ie--
15:25 kf breadcrumbs--
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15:29 rhcl what's going on down there? I didn't think NZ ever got snow.[…]pic-wintery-blast
15:29 rhcl Next thing you know it'll start snowing in England
15:37 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6269] can't undefine a printer profile <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6269>
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16:11 tcohen slef: :-D
16:12 tcohen slef: have you managed to test that memcached patch?
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16:13 tcohen i've just posted a new one, without the 'memcached stuff' comment
16:13 slef tcohen: briefly. It seemed to work but I got interrupted
16:13 slef tcohen: any suggestion what it might break?
16:14 tcohen as it is related to have access to koha-conf.xml stuff
16:14 tcohen almost nothing should work
16:14 tcohen if anything went wrong
16:15 tcohen maybe you could make some change in koha-conf.xml and test if it is actually using memcached
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16:22 libsysguy so I have a print slip question
16:23 libsysguy when i print a slip it prints a whole giant page of whitespace after the bits of information
16:23 libsysguy is there anyway to adjust that or has anybody even run across it before
16:23 rhcl oh yes. well, you're talkiing about receipts, right?
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16:23 libsysguy yes
16:24 rhcl OK, well, assuming there isn't the whitespace being introduced (via \n or whatever) in some custom scripting you might have done....
16:25 rhcl most of the whitespace is controlled in the application (browser) itself.
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16:48 Topic for #koha is now Next General IRC Meeting 7 September 2011 at 18.00 UTC. This is a nominations meeting.
16:49 libsysguy rhcl++
16:49 rhcl BTW, I have this nascent project to get receipt printers working perfectly w/ Linux. I'm on this drive to get all our staff computers to free operating systems (i.e. Linux) as much as I can.
16:50 rhcl I've gotten Mint worked into several of our staff positions...but receipt printers are a problem and I need to sit down and work on the problems
16:51 libsysguy printer and *nix are sometimes quite an animal
16:53 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6744] Acknowledge the actual es-ES translators <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6744>
16:54 rhcl well, I wouldn't think so. Back in the good old days when unix was invented everything was a line printer...which is essentially what a receipt printer is. I'd expect them to work easy as cake with Linux
16:54 wizzyrea libsysguy: I bet you need to look at[…]receipt-printers/
16:55 wizzyrea nothing on star, but lots on configuring firefox
16:56 wizzyrea libsysguy: specifically
16:56 wizzyrea
16:56 wizzyrea this will help you not get super long receipts
16:56 libsysguy w00t for all the printer help :)
16:56 libsysguy you guys are the best
16:56 * libsysguy has had a stressful week :'(
16:56 wizzyrea we've done it, no reason for you to suffer :)
16:56 wizzyrea boo
16:57 libsysguy yeah in the process of testing the hourly branch we found out it broke dropbox returns  :'(
16:57 wizzyrea i remember :(
16:57 rhcl wizzy has good, clear instructions
16:57 rhcl on her site
16:57 wizzyrea that same info is in the manual, I believe
16:58 rhcl well, there you go. read the directions like I don't
16:58 wizzyrea "i get long receipts" probably ought to be a faq
16:58 libsysguy im in the same boat as rchl
16:58 libsysguy ok lunch time...bbl
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16:59 rhcl no kidding. did you ever get the continuous, totally non-ending form feed that would completely run out the roll? we did, lots
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17:06 wizzyrea ooh, no, I've never run into that one
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17:16 cait hi all
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17:39 nengard hello all, i have a runtime parameter question - when I was writing up the manual someone told me that item types was one of the authorized values that genereated a pull down - but when I did <<Item|itemtype>> or <<Item|itype>> I got a blank pull down ... anyone know if this works or if i'm doing something wrong?
17:40 cait I think it should work
17:40 cait and it sounds familiar
17:40 cait ...
17:43 cait I thought I had a bug for that
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18:21 nengard sorry cait i got distracted
18:21 nengard so you think it's a bug?
18:21 cait I didn't find a bug
18:22 cait but I think I had the problem before
18:22 nengard okay, i'll report it then
18:22 cait and itemtype should work according to the description
18:22 cait[…]39b1b073f0db80b45
18:23 cait even authorised values should?
18:23 nengard thanks cait bug 6746  reported
18:23 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6746 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , item type run time parameter not working
18:23 nengard cait i got authorized values to work
18:23 nengard at least the few i tried
18:23 cait ah cool :)
18:23 nengard time to hit the road
18:23 cait :)
18:24 nengard off to LA to learn Moodle :)
18:24 nengard ttyl
18:24 nengard thanks!!
18:24 cait saw your acq bugs
18:24 cait and thx for asking the qestion on the list :)
18:24 nengard yeah - we did acq training today and yesterday :)
18:24 cait perhaps we can talk about it sometime
18:24 nengard yes!
18:24 cait I tried sorting through the bugs ...
18:24 nengard got me lots of free time at home in Sept :) hehe
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18:24 cait 22nd is feature freeze
18:24 wizzyrea <<Pick your Item Type|itemtypes>>
18:24 cait so soon
18:24 wizzyrea works
18:24 cait and now she is gone :)
18:24 cait itemtypes? ah
18:24 cait plural
18:25 cait hi liz :)
18:25 wizzyrea @later tell nengard <<Pick your Item Type|itemtypes>>
18:25 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
18:25 wizzyrea hiya
18:34 libsysguy_afk man I have hit more Koha errors this week than I ever thought possible
18:36 cait there are times like this
18:36 cait some days you think everything is going to fall apart
18:36 cait but there are lots of other days too :)
18:37 libsysguy_afk yeah well A lot of it is being caused by hourly loans i think
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18:43 libsysguy so when i try and place a hold on an item I get a message saying none of the items can be placed on hold because no items are available
18:43 libsysguy but i get that they are available in search results
18:46 cait hm
18:47 cait you also get that I think when you have no defaultdefaultdefault rule
18:47 cait have you tried that?
18:47 cait also maxreserves in conditions needs to be a high value
18:47 cait not null or empty
18:48 libsysguy so all of those are sysprefs?
18:50 libsysguy cait I'm not sure what defaultdefaultdefault rule is?
18:50 cait in the conditions
18:51 cait add a loan rule for default library default itemtype and default categorytype
18:51 jwagner In the circ rules
18:51 cait and the reserves in the circ rules - not null or empty
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18:52 cait and if there is still a system preference, maxreserves, check that too
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18:55 libsysguy hmm i still get that error
18:55 libsysguy so i set a default rule for all libraries to allow holds on tyle BOOK
18:55 libsysguy and it is a book that i am trying to place a hold on
18:56 cait no
18:56 cait make a default defalut default rule
18:56 cait even if you overwrite it by something else
18:56 libsysguy oh ok
18:56 cait it's the trick :)
18:57 * libsysguy wishes his boss was here
18:57 libsysguy she usually handles the circ rules
19:03 cait so didn't work?
19:03 cait it's really not that hard ;)
19:04 cait you can do it
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19:17 libsysguy cait++
19:34 rangi morning
19:35 cait mornign rangi
19:35 wizzyrea libsysguy: do you have in your sysprefs a setting for max allowed holds?
19:35 wizzyrea i vaguely remember this problem
19:36 libsysguy yes I do...cait got it working for me
19:37 libsysguy i didn't have my all all all value set
19:37 wizzyrea cool
19:37 wizzyrea yes, that's the other thing
19:37 wizzyrea sorry I didn't read every single line ^.^ I'm glad you got it working
19:37 libsysguy me dos :)
19:38 cait was by pm
19:38 wizzyrea AHA
19:43 rangi @wunder wellington nz
19:43 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0�C (7:00 AM NZST on August 18, 2011). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
19:43 rangi back to normal
19:43 cait yay!
19:43 wizzyrea phew
19:50 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6743] displayFacetCount not working <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6743>
19:53 * oleonard is happy to have a little something to tinker with.
19:54 cait little somethings are good
19:54 cait hi oleonard
19:55 rangi :)
19:56 wizzyrea woot oleonard is here (again)
19:57 * cait shares cookies with her friends
19:57 rangi my stop bbiab
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20:04 magnus_afk is now known as magnuse
20:06 cait hi magnuse
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20:07 magnuse guten abend cait und #koha
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20:08 tcohen bye #koha
20:10 feliznavidad hi guys! i'm trying to install koha 3.4 on a ubuntu lucid, and succeed until "make test" fails with the following error(s):
20:12 tcohen sudo aptitude install libbusiness-isbn-perl
20:12 huginn New commit(s) needsignoff: [Bug 6728] Table sorter for receiving acquisitions <[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6728>
20:13 tcohen feliznavidad: sudo aptitude install libbusiness-isbn-perl
20:14 feliznavidad works, thank you very much!
20:14 feliznavidad :)
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20:17 magnuse tcohen++
20:17 magnuse that was beautiful...
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20:27 cait good night all! :)
20:28 magnuse g'night cait
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20:34 * oleonard too
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20:39 rangi back
20:39 rangi now with my workstation on a ups
20:40 rhcl is it snowing at all down there-saw a report saying there was "lots" of snow?
20:42 rangi not today
20:42 rangi but yes
20:42 rangi we got snow to sea level, which never happens
20:42 rangi in the north island
20:47 rangi wanna see photos?
20:48 rangi[…]p-10-snow-moments
20:50 rhcl I was thinking it didn't snow so much down there
20:50 ibeardslee it doesn't
20:50 rangi once every 50 years
20:51 rhcl re: images...some fair snow sculpting there
20:52 rhcl Is there a maori word for snow? As I recall, there isn't a proper word for snow in Thai, but in the far north some of the hill tribes do have a word for it, though most of them have never seen snow in their lifetimes
20:53 rangi oh theres snow in the south island and on the mountains in the north
20:53 rangi every year
20:53 rangi just not to sea level in the north
20:53 rhcl ic
20:53 wizzyrea lol a snow dalek
20:53 wizzyrea ping gmcharlt, they're building snow daleks in christchurch.
20:54 wizzyrea oh and snow yoda.
20:54 wizzyrea cute
20:55 magnuse yay
20:55 magnuse rangi: so what's the maori word for snow?
20:56 magnuse and is there just one?
20:57 rangi huka
20:57 rangi thats the only one i know
20:59 magnuse hehe:!/stephen[…]03901969386717184
20:59 magnuse thanks, rangi!
21:00 magnuse does that mean huka falls are the snow falls?
21:03 rangi technically yup ;)
21:03 magnuse nice
21:04 rangi[…]-or-ubuntu-linux/
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21:04 rangi thats what im learning this morning
21:04 Brooke kia ora
21:05 bg @wunder 93109
21:05 huginn bg: The current temperature in K6LCM - Westside / Mesa, Santa Barbara, California is 24.4�C (2:04 PM PDT on August 17, 2011). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Falling).
21:06 Brooke you taunter, you
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21:17 rangi yo, koha peeps
21:17 rangi i have a favour to ask
21:17 magnuse ask, don't ask to ask! ;-)
21:17 wizzyrea HA
21:17 Brooke hehe
21:17 wizzyrea magnuse++
21:17 Brooke we owe ye
21:17 Brooke now what?
21:18 wizzyrea lulz
21:18 rangi that was it
21:18 rangi you have to guess and do it
21:18 Brooke I could kidnap Ata for a day, but you wouldn't appreciate the resulting sugar high :P
21:18 rangi bug 6723
21:18 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6723 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, wvanwanrooij, ASSIGNED , allow framework import with CRLF
21:18 rangi can i get one or 2 more sign offs on it
21:18 rangi id love to push it
21:19 rangi but it only has my signoff
21:19 rangi and ian and paul are away
21:19 rangi it would be committer 150!
21:19 wizzyrea oh I wonder if that's why nicole's thing was failing yesterday?
21:19 rangi not sure
21:19 wizzyrea i bet so
21:20 wizzyrea you have a test file for that?
21:21 rangi not handy
21:21 rangi but all that needs to be tested, is with it applied
21:21 rangi can you still import a framework
21:21 wizzyrea k
21:21 * magnuse better catch some sleep - see y'all soon!
21:21 wizzyrea i'm gonna run over to my windows box
21:21 wizzyrea my... ha
21:21 wizzyrea that's amusing.
21:22 rangi hehe
21:22 wizzyrea it's one of the abominations in the lab
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21:34 wizzyrea hmm
21:34 Brooke what?
21:34 wizzyrea I exported a framework on windows, edited it
21:35 wizzyrea then tried to reimport it
21:35 wizzyrea and supposedly with this patch it's supposed to work?
21:35 wizzyrea but it doesn't seem to
21:35 Brooke hmph
21:36 wizzyrea hmph indeed
21:37 rangi hmmm
21:37 wizzyrea un mo
21:38 wizzyrea it may have to do with office
21:38 rangi to test i just added some \r and made sure they were stripped
21:38 Brooke WordPad ftw
21:38 Brooke office puts gobbledygook into things
21:39 wizzyrea let me send you this file I'm trying with
21:40 wizzyrea this is the error
21:40 wizzyrea
21:40 rangi hmm yeah
21:40 rangi that patch should have no effect on that
21:41 rangi all it does is change 2 chomps
21:41 wizzyrea let me see if I can export/import from this computer here, instead of windows
21:42 wizzyrea aand it works on my mac
21:42 wizzyrea interesting
21:42 wahanui interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
21:43 wizzyrea soo...
21:43 wizzyrea hm
21:43 rangi did you try exportint and importing on windows with no edits, and then open it in word pard
21:43 rangi pad and save it, and try again
21:43 wizzyrea k i will try that
21:43 wizzyrea 1s
21:45 wizzyrea i'm doing this through logmein
21:47 wizzyrea interesting
21:47 wahanui interesting is sometimes bad or sometimes good
21:47 wizzyrea can you do this rangi - export a framework, edit it (any way), then reimport
21:48 wizzyrea what I edited
21:48 wizzyrea was a 'mandatory' setting
21:48 wizzyrea maybe the one I'm setting as mandatory can't be changed?
21:48 wizzyrea can't/shouldn't
21:48 * wizzyrea tries editing something else.
21:49 wizzyrea no, that's not it
21:49 wizzyrea this might be something else
21:50 wizzyrea a different problem
21:50 wizzyrea unrelated to the patch at hand.
21:50 wizzyrea let me roll it back and see if it's still the same ( I bet it is)
21:50 rangi yeah i think so
21:51 wizzyrea yea it does it without the patch too
21:51 wizzyrea this must be the thing nicole came up against
21:54 libsysguy rangi did you see that other bug in hourly?
21:55 wizzyrea 6727 is the bug
21:55 wizzyrea bug 6727
21:55 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6727 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt, REOPENED , can't import frameworks
21:55 rangi libsysguy: yeah ill try to get time to look today
21:56 libsysguy awesome thanks rangi...there was something else i spotted today that i went ahead and fixed (a bracketing error)
21:56 libsysguy i guess i can commit just that file
21:56 rangi yup
21:56 libsysguy just not sure how to merge it into that branch
21:56 libsysguy is that just something you can do without submitting a patch?
21:56 rangi i can, but you cant
21:57 libsysguy hehe the power of the admin is at work here
21:57 rangi just attach a patch to the bug, ill apply it
21:57 libsysguy ok cool
21:59 wizzyrea humbug have to go. bbl possibly
22:14 rangi cya later
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22:38 mtj rangi: i have a happy ups chatting to apcupsd on debian
22:39 mtj
22:40 mtj ooh, it looks like it got its 1st 'incident' during the recent snow-storm
22:41 mtj[…]
22:47 libsysguy anybody know how i can edit receipts?
22:47 libsysguy it looks like it is moremember-receipt.tml
22:48 libsysguy tmpl*
22:48 libsysguy but i can't seem to find that file
22:49 rhcl you want to edit the file, or add fields and info to the receipt?
22:49 libsysguy add/remove
22:49 rhcl that's done through the staff interface
22:49 libsysguy is it s syspref?
22:50 bg rhcl: I don't think so - not yet
22:50 rhcl hang on, maybe I'm lying
22:51 libsysguy i mean...that'd be super nice if it was
22:51 bg I believe that's a development that we are/were trying to get funded
22:51 bg yes libsysguy you need to edit the templates
22:51 libsysguy aww rhcl got my hopes up
22:52 rhcl OK, some info is apparently drawn from from administration - libraries and groups, but other than that bg is right
22:52 bg one way to do it so you can upgrade easily is to create another theme instead of prod
22:52 libsysguy ok so where is that template file
22:53 rhcl you know, we were talking about funding work on that too....customizable receipts
22:53 libsysguy yeah I should have done that from the start
22:53 bg it's a not so small project…  so we needed a few libraries to join
22:53 rhcl I think it turned out to be more expensive than what we thought, so have it on hold
22:54 rhcl but yea, if we could get some other input we'd be willing to help fund
22:54 bg the idea would be that you could edit receipts like you could edit notices
22:54 bg great rhcl I'll let meliameggs know
22:54 rhcl even that is a little rudimentary
22:54 rhcl I think sekjal has this in his notes somewhere
22:55 rhcl We talked about it with him some
22:55 bg yup I'm sure he does…  meliameggs is going to be helping sekjal out
22:56 rhcl sekjal always seems like he's busy w/ stuff...
22:56 libsysguy i think it is because he is lol
22:57 bg yup so we've got someone to help him out now
22:57 bg meliameggs started last week and she's awesome
22:57 meliameggs :)
22:57 rhcl wizzy I _think_ was interested in receipts too...maybe we should get her online and we can talk about that effort
22:59 bg yup that sounds about right - and maybe nora too
22:59 * bg has always wondered why nora doesn't hang out here during the day
23:00 bg I think I need to prod here
23:00 bg her
23:00 bg whoops
23:00 bg ;)
23:04 rhcl I need to go check on a program thats starting right now...ltr
23:19 libsysguy bg do you know where the perldoc for koha is online?
23:20 rangi
23:20 libsysguy sweet thanks :)
23:20 jenkins_koha Starting build 383 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:22 rangi libsysguy: that strftimei is a typo
23:22 rangi should be strftime
23:22 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6744 - Acknowledge the actual es-ES translators <[…]11db4b03e1601ad4f>
23:22 rangi fixing and pushing
23:23 libsysguy yeah that is what the bracket thing was too
23:23 libsysguy it was just missing an (
23:23 rangi pushed
23:24 libsysguy applied
23:24 libsysguy i wish i had a test book to see if it worked...maybe i can go upstairs in the dark and find one lol
23:28 libsysguy sweet looked like it worked...or at least didn't give me an error this time
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