IRC log for #koha, 2010-10-25

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00:02 chilts he's doing well for being up at 1am and on Skype :)
00:02 wizzyrea_ for sure
00:03 wizzyrea_ the internet is amazing sometimes.
00:03 chilts heh, it is ... he's in Nigeria talking to us and we're in the same room talking in a chatroom :)
00:03 chilts weird
00:05 wizzyrea_ shhh hobbit people!
00:05 chilts lol
00:05 magnus hobbit people?!?
00:05 wizzyrea_ outside, the cheering
00:05 slef magnus: outside the window
00:06 slef some protest about Warner Bros making Nz part of Aus or summat
00:07 magnus i hear them, but don't quite get who they are or what they are shouting about...
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00:08 slef magnus: some protest about Warner Bros making Nz part of Aus or summat
00:08 robin_ devel debian packages updated
00:09 slef I'm going to write with paper so as  not to stress the net link and garble the presentation
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00:35 nengard back online now that the skype call is done
00:36 sekjal me too
00:36 nengard :)
00:36 wizzyrea_ whew I was getting lonely
00:36 wizzyrea_ j/k j/k
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00:40 sekjal oh, I think Bob is wrong about that.... I think this will be VERY exciting
00:40 wizzyrea_ heh
00:40 sekjal after 13 min of buildup....
00:41 robin_ robin@debmaker32:~$ apt-cache policy koha
00:41 robin_ koha:
00:41 robin_ Installed: (none)
00:41 robin_ Candidate: 3.2.0-1
00:41 robin_ Version table:
00:41 robin_ 3.2.0-1 0
00:41 robin_ 500 squeeze/main Packages
00:41 robin_ :D
00:41 wizzyrea_ ohhhhh
00:41 wizzyrea_ nice one
00:43 robin_ even better:
00:43 robin_ Version table:
00:43 robin_ 3.2.0-2~git20101025130816.6f80cb06 0
00:43 robin_ 500 squeeze-dev/main Packages
00:43 robin_ 3.2.0-1 0
00:43 robin_ 500 squeeze/main Packages
00:43 robin_ (I wasn't sure if they'd both play nicely together like that. Turns out they do.)
00:44 chilts yeah, using ~ or + between the version and your (date|gitversion|whatever) is always a good choice :)
00:46 robin_ yeah, in this case it make migrating from devel to stable easier.
00:46 * sekjal banters
00:48 wizzyrea_ hehe
00:48 wizzyrea_ as long as it's good natured
00:49 sekjal wizzyrea_: always!
00:49 wizzyrea_ hehe
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00:56 chris man,bob is doing a great job
00:57 wizzyrea_ lol I cannot spel
00:57 wizzyrea_ spell*
00:57 wizzyrea_ ^^ as evidence
00:57 chris i pity the fool up after him
00:57 chris oh wait, thats me
00:57 sekjal lol
00:57 wizzyrea_ ba dum bum
01:00 cait chris: you will do great!
01:02 magnus chris: you have a great topic - it will be great!
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01:08 robin_ OK, so who's coming for some drinks instead of the next talk? ;)
01:08 chris quick everyone go
01:08 chris and ill have a nap instead
01:08 cait no, we will stay
01:09 cait flew around the world to see you in action!
01:09 bengard chris: you forgot to point and say, "What in the world can that be!?"
01:09 chris hehe
01:13 wizzyrea_ ooh, drinks
01:13 bengard heh
01:13 wizzyrea_ so which one of you wants to take my ever so patient and loving husband out for an evening of fun?
01:13 wizzyrea_ >.>
01:13 wizzyrea_ poor fella's stuck at home with the kiddo
01:13 wizzyrea_ where home = our smallish (now) hotel room
01:14 chilts robin_: sounds like a plan ... then we can come back for the last talk of the day :)
01:14 chilts chris: only jesting, am looking forward to the new features
01:14 robin_ wizzyrea_: if he likes beers, he's welcome to join in.
01:15 wizzyrea_ he does like beers!
01:15 robin_ wizzyrea_: well, I expect that I'll be going to The Library with everyone else initially, but they don't have much good beer, so I'll probably move on to Hashigo Zake before too long.
01:16 robin_ <-- beer snob
01:16 wizzyrea_ lol
01:16 sekjal robin_: good to know
01:17 bengard robin_: oddly, I find that libraries often don't have good beer on tap
01:17 robin_ <-- all the beers but the first two are from NZ, too
01:17 robin_ (the first is Japanese, the second is Australian.)
01:17 robin_ bengard: you're just going to the wrong ones :)
01:17 chris and we get a discount!
01:17 wizzyrea_ I like cheap beer
01:18 robin_ yes, and we get a discount there, too :)
01:18 bengard robin_: evidently
01:18 robin_ and there is no public hol surcharge
01:24 robin_ Wiki page for the packages updated. Now to start writing an email.
01:34 paul_p chris ?
01:35 chris yep
01:35 paul_p do you remember when we moved to git exactly ?
01:35 chris it was 2007\
01:35 paul_p it's not written in history
01:35 chris july
01:35 chris when i was in the US
01:35 chris not sure the day
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02:05 * wizzyrea prepares to heckle chris
02:09 nengard LOL
02:09 nengard be nice to chris ;)
02:09 wizzyrea i know I know
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02:13 slef who shouted kiaora?
02:15 slef robin_: woulld you nudge me when you go for good beer?
02:16 slef depend what I've drunk / who I've not yet talked to if I'll  go
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02:17 robin_ slef: sure
02:18 slef robin_: tyvm
02:20 slef oops
02:20 slef I didn't meann to put chris off there
02:21 slef don't expect to see bottles of wine at the circ desk
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02:27 wizzyrea is that the CORES schema or...
02:27 wizzyrea it's on the wiki right?
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02:49 slef wizzyrea: yeah, NISO CORE I think, on wiki
02:49 wizzyrea ok whew, that's what I thought but wasn't sure
02:49 wizzyrea I just deferred to magnus on it lol
02:49 slef :-( prezi, time for me to get motion sickness
02:50 wizzyrea :(
02:50 slef I'm going to try not to look
02:50 wizzyrea maybe he won't be a manic prezi user.
02:50 slef anyone else find this hard to watch?
02:51 slef maybe it's just me
02:51 wizzyrea I have a coworker who finds it bothersome, but I'm ok with it
03:00 brendan_l good-night all - enjoy the beer tonight ;)
03:01 * braedon|h is up to 11:30 in the feed
03:01 braedon|h (serves me right for getting up at 3...)
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03:11 slef so drinks now
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03:12 magnus first day of kohacon10 done - wow the day has just flown by!
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03:13 sekjal good game, good game
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03:13 sekjal so very excited to start working up some bug fixes and feature enhancements
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07:03 mirbolt hi there, i am using 3.06, and have removed all my items from my database, i have run ./ -a -b but when i search the opac i still get all the same results from when there were still items in the database - can anyone help me to clean out zebra?
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07:10 CGI186 hello
07:11 CGI186 kindly some one help me i am doing hardwork previous 3 weeks i have completely installed koha 3.0.6 on fedora
07:11 CGI186 but doesnot show on webinstaller
07:11 CGI186 every time just show default appache page
07:11 CGI186 Index of
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07:12 CGI186 even i have enable port Listen 8080 in koha-httpd.conf file and include /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf
07:12 CGI186 in httpd.conf
07:13 CGI186 please some one help me
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07:20 hdl1 CGI186: ?
07:22 hdl1 What is the problem ?
07:22 CGI186 i am unable to get the output it show default apache page
07:23 CGI186 SElinux preventing /usr/bin such type of error
07:25 CGI186 (13)Permission denied: exec of '/usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/errors/' failed
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07:32 CGI186 No one help me
07:32 CGI186 bye
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09:37 cait hi #koha
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09:40 * cait waves to magnus
09:41 * magnus waves to cait
09:46 Amit heya cait
09:47 cait hi Amit
09:50 magnus hi Amit
09:54 chris fever dropping?
09:55 cait not sure
09:55 cait slept until 9, was ok for about an hour, now I feel like melting away
09:55 magnus let's hope it does during the night, at least
09:55 chris i can bring some paracetemol tomorrow
09:56 chris which is good for reducing fever
09:56 cait chris: I had some paracetamol in my back, hope it will help
09:56 cait back = bag
09:56 chris :)
09:56 chris yeah, you are supposed to eat it, not put it in your back :)
09:56 cait but thx for the offer :)
09:56 cait lol
09:56 cait will try to remember that!
09:57 chris i saw you leave after my talk ... i didnt think it was that bad :-)
09:57 chris i have to leave, chris's talk made me sick :)
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09:58 kmkale Hi all
09:58 chris hi kmkale
09:58 kmkale hey chris
09:58 Amit heya chris, kamkale
09:58 * chris is about to go to sleep big day again tomorrow
09:58 cait no, your talk was great
09:58 kmkale hi Amit
09:59 cait worth staying
09:59 kmkale I was wondering why chris was here yet
10:00 slef moo
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10:01 chris hey slef, find food?
10:01 slef yeah, majestic was good
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10:01 slef we went and had a banquet
10:01 kmkale is there any link where we can watch live stream like video & audio?
10:01 slef kmkale: no stream, recordings up later
10:02 kmkale :(
10:02 chris slef:[…]2157625236896938/
10:02 chris when two debian developers meet :)
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10:02 slef kmkale: the venue net link barely did audio stream for a presenter today
10:02 kmkale oh
10:03 chris <-- is kinda good
10:03 slef aaargh
10:03 slef stop talking a mo!
10:03 slef copy-paste is really hard on this
10:03 chris heh
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10:04 slef got it
10:05 cait back to sleep, see you tomorrow!
10:05 chris feel better
10:05 slef ok bye cait get well soon
10:05 * chris goes to sleep too
10:05 cait thx!
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10:09 magnus see you tomorrow, folks (at least some of you)
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10:32 kmkale @seen druthb
10:32 munin kmkale: druthb was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 3 days, 16 hours, 45 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <druthb> hee hee...that's the weak forces of the universe...The Force is duct tape:  it has a light side, and a dark side, and it binds the galaxy together.
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11:50 zipporah when I try to place a Hold on a book in the Library, I am getting  " No copies are avalaible to be placed on hold" even though there 2 books showing as number of copies. What is the problem? Help plse.
11:54 zipporah By the way this is the first time I am testing Koha 3.0.6 Live CD . May be I have not put in the necessary data in the MARC 21 record for the books to indicate the copies!
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11:57 zipporah I am asking the correct forum?
11:57 zipporah Am I asking the right Koha forum?
11:58 kmkale zipporah: yes this is the right forum for Koha
11:58 kmkale but most of the guru's are asleep after a hard day at kohacon
11:59 kmkale zipporah: in my meager experience, kost of the holds problems stem from circulation rules
11:59 kmkale have you set any?
12:00 zipporah Let me know what I should do which part of the manaul should I look up?
12:02 kmkale zipporah:[…]?ch=x3301#AEN3542
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13:16 cyrixbmx Why in Koha when I have a double quote in my sentence I can not translate de sentence in my file .po?  Exemple : in the file fr-CA-pref.po I have the following string : msgid "enhanced-content.pref#AmazonEnabled# data from Amazon on the staff interface (including reviews and \"Search Inside\" links on item detail pages). This requires that you have signed up for and entered an access key."
13:16 cyrixbmx But since there is double quote in the string, koha can not translate the sentend with : msgstr "les donn�es d'Amazon sur l'interface professionnelle (y compris les critiques et les liens \"Recherche interne\" sur les pages de d�tails de l'ouvrage). Ceci n�cessite une demande de cl� d'acc�s et la saisie de cette m�me cl�."
13:16 owen cyrixbmx: Have you tried asking your question on the Koha mailing list?
13:17 cyrixbmx no owen
13:17 cyrixbmx what is the mailing list?
13:18 owen You might have better luck there:[…]ha-mailing-lists/
13:18 cyrixbmx ok thanks :)
13:30 * chris_n greets owen
13:30 owen Hi chris_n
13:31 jcamins_a is now known as jcamins
13:31 jcamins Good morning, owen and chris_n
13:31 chris_n heya jcamins
13:32 jcamins How was your weekend?
13:49 hudsonbot Starting build 89 for job Koha (previous build: SUCCESS)
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13:50 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Further fixes for Bug 3211, cataloging value plugin forms should be valid XHTML <[…]8eea7ba6218a34dd3>
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13:57 hudsonbot Project Koha build (89): UNSTABLE in 8 min 36 sec:
13:57 hudsonbot Owen Leonard: Further fixes for Bug 3211, cataloging value plugin forms should be valid XHTML
13:57 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3211 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, cataloging value plugin forms should be valid XHTML
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14:21 owen yay, another bugfix branch can be pruned
14:24 chris_n jcamins: great... three days away in the outback without inet or phone is quite refreshing
14:24 chris_n bbiab
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14:29 chris_n theres nothing quite like a reboot to blow out the cobwebs
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14:37 chris_n !hudson testresult
14:37 hudsonbot test results of all projects:
14:37 hudsonbot Koha build #89 had 7 of 1636 tests fail
14:37 hudsonbot xt_author_translatable_templates_t.intranet templates are translatable failed in 21.967722s
14:37 hudsonbot errors in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cat​aloguing/value_builder/unimarc_leader.tmpl failed in 0.04465798s
14:37 hudsonbot errors in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/catal​oguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_121b.tmpl failed in 0.04465798s
14:37 hudsonbot errors in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cata​loguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_110.tmpl failed in 0.04465798s
14:37 hudsonbot errors in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cata​loguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_140.tmpl failed in 0.04465798s
14:37 hudsonbot errors in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cata​loguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_141.tmpl failed in 0.04465798s
14:37 hudsonbot errors in koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cata​loguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_105.tmpl failed in 0.04465798s
14:37 chris_n opps
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15:00 munin New commit(s) kohagit: bug 3211: fix some errors that crept into the cleanup <[…]d42c3a5682660ba6f>
15:00 owen At least we've got hudsonbot and munin to talk to.
15:04 hudsonbot Starting build 90 for job Koha (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last UNSTABLE #89 1 hr 15 min ago)
15:10 gmcharlt owen: I dunno, they seem more interested in talking to themselves
15:12 hudsonbot Yippie, build fixed!
15:12 hudsonbot Project Koha build (90): FIXED in 8 min 5 sec:
15:12 hudsonbot Galen Charlton: bug 3211: fix some errors that crept into the cleanup
15:12 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3211 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED, cataloging value plugin forms should be valid XHTML
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15:46 drulm How is the conference thus far?
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16:18 joetho sleepy, I would guess?
16:22 drulm joetho, ah, wondered if they had the 1stb sessions, or it is tomorrow for them
16:24 jcamins drulm: it started yesterday. See
16:24 drulm Thanks!
16:28 joetho what is the filepath to user authentication?
16:28 joetho I can't figure it out yet from the table structure
16:30 brendan morning
16:31 drulm Yo.
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17:01 joetho ha! /borrowers
17:02 joetho I think I should have known that without looking it up...
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17:33 joetho hi owen
17:33 joetho I am here in my stuffy landlocked office, deep in the midwest, lightyears from any international border. You?
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17:47 chris_n g'morning kohacon10'ers
17:59 brendan heya chris_n
18:00 * chris_n breaks out the peanut-butter m&m's
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18:06 jcamins hdl, paul_p: if either of you get a chance, I'd be grateful if you took a look at my patch for Bug 5311, to make sure it doesn't break French-language UNIMARC.
18:06 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5311 normal, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Language dropdown in advanced search broken?
18:38 chris Morning
18:41 brendan morning chris
18:41 jcamins Morning.
18:42 chris brendan: nate entertained us all with card tricks and impressions of your bird calls last night :)
18:43 brendan nice Nate++ has got great card tricks
18:43 brendan yeah the bird calls are a lot of fun :)
18:45 chris_n g'morning chris
18:46 chris Hey jcamins and chris_n
18:46 brendan do you know what bird calls he did - or do you remember any of them?
18:46 chris One was the barn owl
18:47 brendan a Bard owl
18:47 brendan that's the best one there is
18:47 chris Hehe
18:47 brendan besides a "song-sparrow"
18:48 chris Next kohacon we need a slot for card tricks and bird calls
18:48 brendan song-sparrow -- " maid, maid, maid - put on another TEAAA-kettle kettle kettle"
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18:49 chris Hehe
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18:51 joetho is "i-bistro" the opac front-end for... triple i?
18:52 chris Is that seriously the name for something?
18:52 jcamins joetho: that's where the engineers at Apple eat.
18:52 joetho ha ha ha ha
18:53 joetho yes, it is a real name
18:53 joetho my account is under ijoey
18:53 joetho i think
18:54 chris We have a bunch of ibad stickers
18:54 brendan yup i-bistro is iii or SD IRC
18:54 gmcharlt III
18:54 brendan heya gmcharlt
18:54 chris Want me to get wizzy to bring some back for you joetho ?
18:54 jcamins joetho: Pronounced "eee yo eee"?
18:54 gmcharlt no, I'm mistaken - it's SD
18:55 chris Ok my stop bbiab
18:55 gmcharlt hi brendan
18:55 joetho I found a bunch of s-d installations using it, but I thought iii installations could use it too.
18:55 gmcharlt that would be weird
18:56 joetho not if it is a REAL thirdparty opac, but you're right- s-d would never go for that.
18:57 brendan @later tell Nate - "who cooks for youuuuu - who cooks for you awwlllll"
18:57 munin brendan: The operation succeeded.
18:57 joetho chris: yes?
18:57 brendan that's the Bard owl call :)  #just incase anyone was interested
18:57 joetho i mean "yes!"
18:58 joetho I see the conference is off to a very serious start.
18:58 joetho Excellent!
18:58 jcamins LJ is doing their annual movers and shakers piece, I see.
18:59 jcamins Has chris been featured yet?
19:00 jcamins :)
19:04 brendan here's a vermont librarian that uses koha -->[…]dshakerschase.csp
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19:07 brendan I don't think chris has been featured - but jo was this year
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19:38 jcamins Whoops.
19:40 brendan morning NZ kohacon10
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19:44 nengard morning #koha - has anyone gotten the ceiling due date to work right?
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19:52 cait good morning :)
19:52 richard hi cait
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19:53 * chris_n hates it when people send their passwords to the list :-P
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19:53 jcamins cait: you made it all the way to NZ, just to be struck down by fever? :(
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19:54 cait jcamins: yeah, yesterday was bad, today I am almost back to normal and at the conference now
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19:54 cait jcamins: really hope it's gone
19:55 jcamins Me too!
19:55 jcamins Is someone else responding to Kevin Jones, or should I?
19:55 * braedon|h was going to
19:56 braedon|h but go ahead
19:56 jcamins Yay!
19:56 jcamins braedon|h++
19:57 braedon|h ... does that mean i should?
19:57 jcamins Yes please. :D
19:58 hdl cait: glad you recovered.
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19:59 cait thx hdl
19:59 * chris_n responded
19:59 chris_n opss
20:00 chris_n poor fellow... what a way to end an already bad day
20:00 braedon|h braedon|h--
20:00 munin braedon|h: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
20:01 braedon|h (chris_n got there before me)
20:01 chilts is twitter broken? or just my wi-fi
20:01 braedon|h wait, i can't decrease me own karma?
20:01 chris_n ouch... munin is handing out hand-smacks now days
20:01 braedon|h hmm
20:01 braedon|h is now known as braedon
20:01 braedon braedon|h--
20:01 wizzyre-1 chilts I'm not having trouble, but I have a client
20:02 wizzyre-1 is now known as wizzyrea
20:02 chris_n bbl
20:02 chilts wizzyrea: ok thanks, I'll try reloading :)
20:02 chilts (again)
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20:03 jcamins chris_n: do the instructions on even work?
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20:03 jcamins That's for Koha 2.2.7.
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20:04 wizzyrea another erm, ptfs asset. Wonder if they know they own it
20:04 jcamins I was just reflecting on that question.
20:05 jcamins Well, that and the question "what on earth is that," but you answered that question for me.
20:05 wizzyrea at least, it was an old liblime asset
20:06 jcamins Yeah, it was transferred to PTFS.
20:06 jcamins Heh. I like the phone number.
20:06 wizzyrea ?
20:07 jcamins +1.9999999999 :)
20:07 jcamins From the WHOIS.
20:07 wizzyrea heh
20:07 wizzyrea flip it over and it gets much more sinister >.>
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20:30 wizzyrea jcamins: slef just gave a recipe for oat shortbreads, the cooperative cookie
20:30 wizzyrea ^^ awesome
20:30 jcamins Cool!
20:31 chilts damn, I can't find the recipe
20:31 wizzyrea hehe
20:31 wizzyrea we'll ask him for it
20:31 chilts yup :)
20:32 jcamins Time to close up shop.
20:32 jcamins Good night, #koha
20:32 wizzyrea gnite jcamins
20:32 jcamins Enjoy all the Kohacon awesomeness.
20:32 jcamins is now known as jcamins_a
20:32 wizzyrea :)
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21:56 chilts this talk is awesome :)
21:56 chilts I always like listening to MarkO
21:59 wizzyrea does anyone else smell menthol?
21:59 * wizzyrea is worried she's having a stroke
21:59 wizzyrea (not literally)
22:04 cait wizzyrea: my guess would be someone with menthos near to you?
22:05 wizzyrea maybe
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22:10 slef amen! 3m-rfid-sip-nyaargh
22:10 wizzyrea heh
22:10 wizzyrea if we can get the special characters to work it'll be about perect
22:10 slef we have rfid working but 3m-sip is, erm, intersting
22:10 wizzyrea well for NEKLS anyway
22:11 wizzyrea same
22:11 wizzyrea RFID isn't really a challenge, it's the damn SIP that needs work. (pardon)
22:11 slef we're on the sip 3.0 dev list but meeting times suck
22:11 slef tips onwhat needs work in sip 3?
22:12 slef oh and any funding we can access?
22:12 wizzyrea ^ that I might have
22:12 cait don't scare me - our new customer is looking at 3m for rfid
22:12 wizzyrea we're about to issue a rfp for our ISP work
22:12 wizzyrea SIP even
22:13 slef mail me about sip stuff... I will do some of their meetings after I get home
22:15 wizzyrea will do
22:16 sekjal I like the idea of a centralized place for Koha users to contribute ratings, reviews and anonymized circ data
22:16 sekjal opt in, of course
22:17 sekjal add in some bibliographic records, too.
22:17 sekjal open it up to anyone, Koha user or not
22:17 sekjal either by establishing a data standard, or using one that's already created
22:17 sekjal expand it far enough, we could have an open-source bX replacement
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22:18 slef popcon from debian already exists
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22:18 slef for output IIRC
22:20 wizzyrea sekjal: sounds like a project for OCLC (or
22:20 wizzyrea I thought, and then I thought again, and then I thought again.
22:22 cait slef: one of our libraries already use rfid/sip with equipment from a German vendor - works great
22:22 sekjal its a bigger project than Koha, for sure, and not trivial.  I'd love to help with it, but there is that pesky issue of time
22:22 cait slef: there is only one problem: books with reserves don't go into a status, where they can't be checked out by another user
22:22 darling robin, you getting one of those tablets?
22:23 cait slef: so this is the only real problem they have right now.
22:23 rhcl sekjal: was our SIP hard to cfg?
22:23 sekjal rhcl:  not terribly, no
22:24 wizzyrea but you're not transiting holds and such
22:25 wizzyrea slef: what things about SIP are causing you consternation?
22:25 cait wizzyrea: right, a one branch library :)
22:27 wizzyrea the things that cause us consternation are actually the way that koha processes the data coming from the sip server, not as much the sip server itself
22:28 wizzyrea though the thing where it crashes when you throw any in do special character at it is definitely a consternation
22:28 wizzyrea and needs to be fixed.
22:29 wizzyrea I think I've seen this guy before... on a TED talk
22:29 wizzyrea am I crazy?
22:29 cait really want an answer? :)
22:29 wizzyrea right, the interwebs.
22:29 wizzyrea on it
22:31 slef wizzyrea: compatibility between vendors, but rfid is more to blame
22:31 wizzyrea hrm, no doesn't look like it's him... checking someplace else
22:32 slef wizzyrea: the sip stuff just doesn't explain why it errors properly. so we'll try to get richer errors in sip 3
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23:02 hdl1 slef: and sip stuff is coming also from combined efforts with evergreen
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23:03 hdl1 what is tough in sip is localisation and dates display
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