IRC log for #koha, 2010-06-09

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00:15 SelfishMan oh hai thar
00:15 SelfishMan So this koha thing is still going huh? :)
00:35 wasabi anyone use 'git-cherry-pick -m ' much?
00:35 wasabi -m parent-number, --mainline parent-number
00:35 wasabi is the parent-number a SHA string?
00:37 wasabi nope... :/
00:37 wasabi error: switch `m' expects a numerical value
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01:04 pianohackr|work bbl
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01:32 wasabi random Q: anyone run  git-core version  1: ?
01:33 chilts not quite that far - 1:
01:33 wasabi im getting abunch of errors on a recently cloned repo
01:34 chilts can you reclone and see what happens?
01:43 wasabi yep, if need be
01:45 wasabi just working my way thru a big commit now, on a fresh-cloned repo...
01:45 wasabi ... i might loose my merge work  :/
01:47 chilts you could add the old dir as a remote and pull stuff, but that's getting a bit more confusing :)
01:47 wasabi got lots of these now, from git fsck...
01:47 wasabi dangling blob 0c01258038c4815a4fc8685577e177a65606978f
01:48 wasabi googles...
01:48 chilts that just means a commit isn
01:48 chilts 't referenced by any branch or tag
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01:56 wasabi yep, looks like dangling stuff is a warning, not error
02:01 chris_n git woes mason?
02:02 chilts git gc (garbage collect) will clear those - but they're ok if you leave them around
02:02 chilts I think they get cleaned eventually anyway
02:03 chilts ah wait, git gc doesn't clear them up :)
02:08 chris_n google on caffeine... interesting thought
02:08 chris_n[…]dex-caffeine.html
02:12 * chilts has just figured out that he is allergic to caffeine :)
02:19 chris_n bummer
03:02 * chris_n works on a post-checkout hook to change the Koha db
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03:19 Amit heya chris
03:19 Amit #morning koha
03:20 chris hi Amit
03:29 chris_n hi Amit
03:30 Amit heya chris_n
03:38 Amit @weather New Delhi
03:38 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 27.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
03:38 Amit @weather Dehradun
03:38 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 26.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa.
03:39 Amit @weather Bangalore
03:39 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 22.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 20.0�C.
03:40 wasabi heya amit
03:40 Amit heya wasbai
03:40 Amit heya Mason
03:41 wasabi mason = wasabi :)
03:41 Amit yup
03:41 Amit wasabi means
03:41 wasabi hot-sauce from japan
03:41 Amit yup Maggi sauce
03:41 wasabi
03:42 wasabi wasabi is made from a very special plant
03:42 Amit ah!
03:45 wasabi "As the demand for real wasabi is very high, Japan has to import a large amount of it from Mainland China, Ali Mountain of Taiwan, and New Zealand."
03:45 chris_n awesome... it actually works
03:45 chris whatcha do chris_n ?
03:46 chris_n wrote a git post-checkout hook to auto-change the db name in my koha-conf.xml based on the branch I just checked out
03:46 chris ohh good idea
03:46 chris that would be good on the wiki, in the tips and tricks section
03:47 chris_n it requires a bit of hackary atm on the ownership of koha-conf.xml
03:47 chris_n but on a development install that might not be as important
03:47 chris_n kohauser owns koha-conf.xml
03:48 chris_n but git runs under the logged in user
03:48 chris your hook could be sudo -u kohauser do_stuff
03:48 chris you'd get prompted for your password
03:49 chris but it could then change the file as kohauser
03:49 chris_n yeah, hadn't thought of that
03:49 chris_n the hook could just be a shell script calling the perl script that way
03:49 chris *nod*
03:50 chris peer programming via irc :)
03:50 * chris_n has had the unpleasant experience of forgetting to change the db before switching to some koha-hack branch and screwing up his db
03:50 chris_n and it's a pain to stop and restore
03:50 chris *nod*
03:51 chris been there, done that
03:54 larsw that's why I like to do all my koha testing in a nicely isolated virtual machine, with a mysql running inside the vm
03:56 larsw (virtual machines are not quite there yet, but pretty soon I suspect I will view them as essential a tool as version control)
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04:02 chris_n pastebot down chris?
04:04 chris ah yep
04:04 chris ill get that up tonight
04:04 chris_n here's the raw (very) script:
04:04 chris_n time to head to the stall
04:05 chris_n sudo -u koha has a bit of a problem with the KOHA_CONF env var
04:06 chris_n but that's a problem for tomorrow
04:14 larsw (actually, what I really want is to marry vcs and vm, so I can have version control of my virtual machines)
04:20 chris_n lol
04:20 chris_n g'night
04:25 chris night chris_n
04:26 chilts might be worth doing 'use Git;' rather than shelling out to the commands
04:26 chilts I find it makes it a bit easier
04:28 chilts __git_heads also gives you something nicer to work with than 'git branch' and having to munge it :)
04:28 chilts sorry, I should make a patch but I don't have a checkout here or a use-case ... :)
04:28 chris @later tell chris_n < chilts> might be worth doing 'use Git;' rather than shelling out to the commands
04:28 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
04:29 chris @later tell chris_n < chilts> __git_heads also gives you something nicer to work with than 'git branch' and having to munge it :)
04:29 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
04:29 chris now he'll get it as soon as munin notices him :)
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04:40 chilts ah cool :)
04:40 chilts well done munin
04:40 chris @notices
04:40 munin chris: Error: "notices" is not a valid command.
04:40 chris @help commands
04:40 munin chris: Error: There is no command "commands".
04:40 chris @help
04:40 munin chris: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
04:40 robin @plugins
04:40 munin robin: Error: "plugins" is not a valid command.
04:40 chris yeah thats actually no help munin
04:40 chris @list
04:40 munin chris: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
04:41 chris @note
04:41 munin chris: (note <id>) -- Retrieves a single note by its unique note id. Use the 'note list' command to see what unread notes you have.
04:41 chris @note list
04:41 munin chris: You have no unread notes.
04:41 chris @help note
04:41 munin chris: (note <id>) -- Retrieves a single note by its unique note id. Use the 'note list' command to see what unread notes you have.
04:41 chris @todo
04:41 munin chris: You have no tasks in your todo list.
04:41 chris @help todo
04:41 munin chris: (todo [<username> [<task id>]|<task id>]) -- Retrieves a task for the given task id. If no task id is given, it will return a list of task ids that that user has added to their todo list.
04:41 chris oh cool
04:42 chris @todo add
04:42 munin chris: (todo add [--priority=<num>] <text>) -- Adds <text> as a task in your own personal todo list. The optional priority argument allows you to set a task as a high or low priority. Any integer is valid.
04:42 chris @todo add get the pastebot going again
04:42 munin chris: The operation succeeded.  (Todo #1 added)
04:42 chris @todo
04:42 munin chris: Todo for chris: #1: get the pastebot going again
04:43 chris handy
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05:31 brendan_office @later tell jdavidb Happy Birthday
05:31 munin brendan_office: The operation succeeded.
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06:33 wasabi @help
06:33 munin wasabi: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
06:34 wasabi @help commands
06:34 munin wasabi: Error: There is no command "commands".
06:34 wasabi @help command
06:34 munin wasabi: Error: There is no command "command".
06:34 wasabi @help help
06:34 munin wasabi: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
06:34 wasabi @help plugins
06:34 munin wasabi: Error: There is no command "plugins".
06:34 wasabi @help
06:34 munin wasabi: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
06:35 robin wasabi: @list
06:35 wasabi @help show commands
06:35 munin wasabi: Error: There is no command "show commands".
06:35 wasabi @help list commands
06:35 munin wasabi: Error: There is no command "list commands".
06:35 wasabi @help list
06:35 munin wasabi: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
06:35 wasabi @list
06:35 munin wasabi: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
06:35 wasabi @help list
06:35 munin wasabi: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
06:36 wasabi @version
06:36 munin wasabi: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3.  I couldn't fetch the newest version from the Supybot website.
06:37 wasabi oooh, bingo
06:38 wasabi @play thermonuclear warfare?
06:38 munin wasabi: Error: "play" is not a valid command.
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06:51 brendan @bingo
06:51 munin brendan: Error: "bingo" is not a valid command.
06:52 brendan @games list
06:52 munin brendan: Error: The "Games" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "list" in it.  Try "list Games" to see the commands in the "Games" plugin.
06:52 brendan @list games
06:52 munin brendan: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
06:52 brendan @dice
06:52 munin brendan: (dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice.
06:52 brendan @dice 6d6
06:52 munin brendan: 6, 5, 4, 5, 2, and 3
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06:59 kmkale good afternoon
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07:25 brendan nice only a few days left until world cup month :)
07:28 kmkale great calendar design for world cup here[…]ario-english.html
07:36 brendan yeah that's pretty cool
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08:13 kmkale @weather Mumbai
08:13 munin kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (1:10 PM IST on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling).
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09:17 kf morning #koha
09:17 chris hi kf
09:17 kf hi chris :)
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09:36 zico hello
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09:43 chris hi zico
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09:46 zico hi chris
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09:53 zico i am facing problem with "checking out" issue
09:54 zico two users cannot "check out" any book or cds
09:55 zico if we put the barcode there in "check out" box
09:55 zico then... no "confirmation windows" comes
09:55 zico just a yellow bar comes...nothing else
09:55 zico can you help me about that?
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10:04 pastebot "chris" at pasted "test" (1 line) at
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10:07 pastebot "chris" at pasted "test" (1 line) at
10:07 chris cool
10:08 chris its just 2 particular users zico? and what version of koha?
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10:34 zico chris: it`s 3.0.5
10:37 chris might be worth upgrading to 3.0.6 quite a few fixes between those 2 versions
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11:08 kmkale chris for past several day I am unable to access the page just loads forever without displaying anything.
11:09 chris really?
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11:09 chris seems to be working from here
11:09 kmkale aww and lo just now its loading perfectly :(
11:09 chris heh
11:09 chris it is on my server at home
11:10 kmkale humm I was meaning to tell you for last two days and when I do it start working :(
11:11 chris it might have been a network thing, i was using it yesterday ok
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11:11 kmkale yes could be.
11:12 library hello, I see that does not work. Any hints?
11:12 chris yes, use
11:13 chris and and etc etc :)
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11:13 chris hi nengard
11:16 nengard howdy
11:26 nengard so - the library world is so so so small!
11:26 nengard I was doing some research for my PT and she was annoyed cause the databases they gave her access to didn't have the resources she needed
11:26 nengard so i emailed the association
11:27 nengard and the person who replied was a librarian who had read my book :)
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11:29 chris heh cool
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11:33 chris youre welcome
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11:46 kmkale @list munin
11:46 munin kmkale: Error: 'munin' is not a valid plugin.
11:46 kmkale @list
11:46 munin kmkale: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
11:46 library my machine is and when I Type I get: It works. the same happens with port 8080. I cannot get login prompt of KOha. please advise
11:47 kmkale @list Utilities
11:47 munin kmkale: apply, echo, ignore, last, shuffle, and success
11:47 kmkale @list Factoids
11:47 munin kmkale: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis
11:48 kmkale @list whatis
11:48 munin kmkale: Error: 'whatis' is not a valid plugin.
11:48 kf library: you can edit the koha file in apache confiugaration and change the ips there
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11:48 kmkale @help whatis
11:48 munin kmkale: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
11:48 kf library: thats what I normally do on my test installations, not sure if there is a better way
11:48 library kf: thanks :)
11:49 kf library: where are you from?
11:49 kmkale library: your default apache config might be overriding the koha conf
11:49 kmkale try removing it and restarting apache
11:51 kmkale @monolouge
11:51 munin kmkale: Error: "monolouge" is not a valid command.
11:51 kmkale @monologue
11:51 munin kmkale: Your current monologue is at least 4 lines long.
11:52 kmkale @help monologue
11:52 munin kmkale: (monologue [<channel>]) -- Returns the number of consecutive lines you've sent in <channel> without being interrupted by someone else (i.e. how long your current 'monologue' is). <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
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11:53 jdavidb harrrumph.
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11:53 kf hi jdavidb :)
11:53 nengard what's wrong?
11:53 jwagner Got a question for the wizards out there.  I understand how to add a new syspref to the installer files so that it's created with a new installation.  If I want to add some permanent new indexes, how can I tell Koha that these should be added at installation?  The record.abs & other index files are outside kohaclone directory tree.  I don't want people to have to remember to update manually.
11:53 kf what makes you harrumph?
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11:53 kf jwagner: gmcharlt told me to copy them over
11:54 jdavidb trying to get things moving again after a really bizarre day yesterday.
11:54 jwagner manually?  That's what I'm trying to avoid.
11:54 kf I did that in my patch for record-control-number, but gmcharlt has not pushed it (perhaps will have to wait till 3.4
11:54 gmcharlt jwagner: maybe toss in a script to update the index defs
11:54 jwagner gmcharlt, there isn't a standard way to do it now?
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11:55 gmcharlt main issue is that overwriting by default would be a problem - could scribble over any local indexing definitions that could have been added by the user
11:55 kf ah, sorry.
11:55 gmcharlt on the other hand, it wouldn't be too hard to put together a variant of dev mode that lets some of the zebra config files, including record.abs, be taken from the git clone, not from a copy in a separate run directory
11:56 jwagner In this case, I want to add some brand new indexes, so the workflow would be something like cat newindexsettings >> indexconfigfile
11:56 jwagner But with potentially several hundred installations, it's not something I want to have to handle manually.
11:57 jwagner I was hoping for some nice structured way of adding it to the installation files :-(
11:59 gmcharlt well, as far as large arrays of Koha databases are concerned, jdavidb may be able to build on some of the stuff that larsw did in the Debian packaging, particularly the bits to add and disable new Koha sites, to add a mode to propagate indexing changes
11:59 gmcharlt of course, if (for the most part), most of the sites use the same indexing definitions
11:59 gmcharlt you could just do symbolic links to a set of master record.abs
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12:00 chris if you ran from packages, and had the files in the package then apt-get upgrade would fix it
12:00 jwagner jdavidb was muttering about symlinks as a solution.  That would work in our environment, but I didn't know how to package the changes up in a commit or patch for submission.
12:00 jdavidb That's certainly how we're doing it here, gmcharlt.  We're symlinking to the ones inside the cloned repo, at the moment, so for *lots* of sites, it's just a "remember to reindex" line-item.
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12:02 jwagner Thinking outside the proverbial box here, is there a reason the index files live outside the kohaclone tree anyway?
12:03 jdavidb localization.
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12:03 * jwagner jumps back into the box
12:04 chris certainly we plan not to run out of git checkouts for much longer at all
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12:05 owen Alright Wednesday, let's do this.
12:05 kf hi owen
12:05 chris we'll have one or some that we create .deb packages from, they go into the repository, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade to roll out the changes
12:06 gmcharlt jwagner: mostly because some of the Zebra config files have site-specific bits, mostly paths to directories
12:08 jwagner OK. jdavidb is telling me to change etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs (and the other files) under the kohaclone tree if I wanted to package these up for submission.  That would take care of new installs, but not updates if I'm understanding it correctly.
12:08 jwagner So if I were to do this, I'd have to include a readme that said "go update your index conf files with these settings"
12:09 jwagner (for existing sites, that is)
12:09 gmcharlt no, just submit the index changes - the changes are independent of how they get distributed
12:09 gmcharlt you're not the first to have submitted patches against etc/zebradb
12:10 jwagner I didn't think i could be :-) but I didn't remember ever hearing how to do it.
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12:14 jwagner gmcharlt, might be a good topic for a wiki entry, under the developer section.
12:14 gmcharlt jwagner: go for it
12:17 jwagner er, I meant an entry written by somebody who understands it :-)
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12:28 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Build with pdebuild, not debuild. <[…]636cb5e1799bbf7ae> / Remove dependencies on perl-base. <[…]fc3e19d16b746f058> / Bug #4864 Add SIPServer Perl Module Dependencies <[…]8024ede3462ada14e
12:38 munin New commit(s) kohagit: applied paranoia <[…]bc0f8c150a8b402a1>
12:41 * chris wanders off to sleep
12:43 pastebot "gmcharlt" at pasted "test of paste" (1 line) at
12:48 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Final batch of POD cleanups. <[…]8d0876fb899199e52> / POD Cleanups <[…]3f4cbc0245f0ac9d1> / More POD cleanups <[…]4498963eb3d1b3b82> / POD Cleanups - Few minor ones this time
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13:02 gmcharlt pastebot: help
13:04 jdavidb @eightball do I currently have  a rational work plan for the week?
13:04 munin jdavidb: Obviously.
13:04 owen There you go.
13:04 jdavidb *snort*
13:04 jdavidb *some* munin or another has been at the Kool-Aid.
13:05 jwagner Or is living in an alternate universe with an alternate definition of "rational"
13:05 jdavidb could be, jwagner.
13:06 nengard oh poo!! the manual doesn't want to save and I just did a ton of work!! :(
13:07 gmcharlt FYI, chris has set up for sending pastes to this #IRC channel
13:08 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the Koha IRC channel.  General info at  This channel is publicly logged.  Use for pastes.
13:08 jdavidb chris++
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13:08 jwagner That should be a help -- I've never come close to figuring out how to do anything in pastebin....
13:11 kmkale @roulette
13:11 munin kmkale: *click*
13:11 kmkale humm
13:11 nengard gmcharlt got a git question - my xml editor just failed while saving and so it screwed up my docbook file
13:11 nengard how can i fetch the file from the git repo
13:11 nengard and overwrite what i have on my machine?
13:12 gmcharlt nengard: two ways
13:12 gmcharlt git reset --hard in your repo, if you have no other changes pending
13:12 gmcharlt or
13:12 gmcharlt git checkout path/to/file
13:12 nengard thank you!!
13:14 nengard i think my computer is not happy with how big the manual has gotten ...
13:15 jwagner Can someone confirm that all the issues/statistics/whatever links between patrons and checkouts/holds are on _borrowernumber_ ? If the cardnumber gets changed, it won't hurt anything current or historical?  I'm about 90% sure that's the case, but....
13:16 owen jwagner: If it were not so, changing someone's library card number would cause Koha to forget everything they had checked out!
13:17 jwagner That's what I thought.  So it should be safe to do patron imports that are matching on an attribute, but where the incoming data's cardnumber might overwrite the existing cardnumber.
13:17 nengard brb - need to restart
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13:18 owen Assuming the incoming new cardnumber is accurate of course
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13:38 nengard okay - restarting fixed it - was able to save my manual edits!! was panicking there for a minute
13:49 munin New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2505: Enabled warnings in <[…]32e4adf2fe430264c>
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13:54 chris_n g'morning
13:55 chris_n ahh... ta munin
13:56 chris_n @later tell chilts thanks for the pointers, I'll take a look at them over the next few days
13:56 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded.
13:58 owen So chris_n, you bot gives you ops when you arrive?
13:59 munin New commit(s) kohagit: (bug #4853) change rights needed to renew loans <[…]c3c2f4c0c7f52a78b>
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14:00 chris_n owen: actually I can request it to op me so long as it is op'd
14:00 * chris_n is working on trying to setup a bot to help maintain ops
14:01 chris_n of course it will not help if the box running the irc server bounces
14:06 chris_n nahuel: will it be ok just to put the zebra out to pasture rather than in the trash? ;-)
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14:20 CGI251 Hello all, would anyone have any opinions on the following:
14:21 CGI251 I have up to 8 seperate, non related Koha sites to setup, I would like to install a complete system (vanilla) then lift the db, and file structure to use on the other sites without running through the installers again
14:21 CGI251 Can anyone think of anything that might cause me problems with this idea, or should I just setup each site from scratch?
14:24 gmcharlt other than the the possible issue of propagating changes after the copies are made, nothing comes to mind that would prevent doing that
14:25 * chris_n thinks that is basically how the vm images of koha work, no?
14:25 CGI251 There would be plenty of local changes later alright but the base image would be handy
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14:26 CGI251 VMware, wouldn't they be wither P2V'd or created from within a VM first?
14:26 CGI251 VMware, wouldn't they be wither P2V'd or created from within a VM first?
14:26 CGI251 either
14:30 gmcharlt well, if you're working with a fully virtualized setup, cloning VMs wouldn't be a big deal
14:30 gmcharlt but if you're referring to just copying the Koha installation around from server to server, that wouldn't be particularly problematic either
14:31 gmcharlt main thing, presumably, would be making sure that each of the database don't end up with exactly the same mysql database password
14:32 CGI251 Yeah, we can change the local things after. Its not on one big host which would be good, rather many individual servers
14:33 tomascohen if they are virtual machines you can identify the changes you need to make
14:33 tomascohen and create your own instance installing scripts
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14:33 kyle hey all
14:33 tomascohen ussualy IP, hostname, koha-http.conf andno much more
14:34 tomascohen if using nullmailer also mailname
14:34 kyle does anyone know why the Datedue option for the useDaysMode syspref is no longer exposed? We used it on our dev_week server. The option is still referenced in the codebase.
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14:54 * jwagner snarls at jquery & goes off to work on something else....
14:58 nengard heh
14:58 owen anything I might help with jwagner?
14:58 chris_n been there done that :)
15:02 jwagner Trying to add some text on the place hold page in the opac ("Confirm hold for") -- it has a div but I can't make anything show up.
15:07 owen jwagner: In my OPAC there is a <div id="holds"> followed by a <h3>
15:07 owen Is that what you have?
15:08 jwagner Yes, but trying to use #holds or #opac-reserve #holds seems to have no effect.
15:09 jwagner I'm trying to prepend some text.
15:09 owen $("#holds h3").before("<p>Hey you</p>");
15:12 wizzyrea_laptop ^^ .prepend works too
15:12 jwagner Nope, didn't make anything appear.
15:12 wizzyrea_laptop $("#holds h3").prepend("<h3>Hey you</h3>");
15:13 wizzyrea_laptop well both worked for me
15:13 wizzyrea_laptop are you doing something else to this page with jquery that changes it?
15:13 owen wizzyrea_laptop: Note that .prepend adds the content to the beginning of what is inside the selected tag
15:14 owen So your snippet ends up with <h3><h3>Hey you</h3> Confirm holds...</h3>
15:14 wizzyrea_laptop right, I just noticed that
15:14 wizzyrea_laptop but that's a very nice explanation, thanks :)
15:14 jwagner Aha -- there was a snippet left over from some earlier work on my test system's jquery box.  Got rid of it & it now shows up.  Thanks!
15:14 wizzyrea_laptop yay!
15:16 jwagner Now I can go snarl at something else :-)
15:16 wizzyrea_laptop wahoo!
15:16 jdavidb gotta watch out for stray snippets.
15:17 wizzyrea_laptop the snippets will nippets at you
15:17 wizzyrea_laptop they make very bad pets.
15:17 jdavidb @eightball Do you have the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything.
15:17 munin jdavidb: The outlook is poor.
15:17 jdavidb didn't think so.
15:17 jcamins jdavidb: I think that _was_ the answer.
15:17 * wizzyrea_laptop frowns
15:17 wizzyrea_laptop I sure hope not
15:17 jcamins Why, yes, I am doing series authority work. How could you tell?
15:18 jdavidb no, the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything is "forty-two."
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15:18 wizzyrea_laptop so sayeth Douglas Adams
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15:42 cm hi #koha!
15:43 owen Hi cm
15:43 cm i'm having trouble with repeatable subfields in the marc editor on 3.2alpha2.  the plus sign to repeat the subfield doesn't do anything.  is anyone else experiencing this, or is it just me?
15:44 cm the - to remove the subfield does work.
15:45 wizzyrea_laptop i'm checking it 1s
15:45 owen cm: Using Firefox on Windows it works for me. It's a little slow, but it works.
15:46 cm i've tried ff & chrome on both linux & windows.  it must be me.  :P  thanks, owen.
15:46 wizzyrea_laptop are you talking about the blue links or the black ones?
15:46 cm black.
15:47 wizzyrea_laptop right, I can't get those plus signs to work on today's HEAD
15:47 cm on mine the blue ones are for fields, and the work.
15:47 owen Then I looked at the wrong thing cm
15:47 cm okay, so it isn't me!
15:47 wizzyrea_laptop I don't even get a clicky hand for the black ones
15:47 wizzyrea_laptop but the - does work
15:47 cm nope, me neither.  it looks like a text editing bar.
15:47 cm the cursor, that is.
15:47 wizzyrea_laptop ya
15:48 owen I get a javascript error: "link is undefined"
15:48 cm yesterday using chrome's developer mode it gave me this error, if it means anything to anyone:
15:48 cm Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'getAttribute' of undefined
15:51 wizzyrea_laptop yep I get the same on MacOS -> chrome
15:52 cm thanks.  i'm glad to know it's not just me.  :)
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15:53 owen Interesting... If I change the <span>+</span> to <a href="#">+</a> it works
15:53 wizzyrea_laptop hrm
15:53 owen ..and you get the right pointer too of course, which is a plus
15:55 cm that's weird.  the minus sign uses <span>, and it works.
15:57 owen Strange, the minus sign doesn't work for me
15:57 wizzyrea_laptop you have to click it *just so* I found
15:57 * owen sticks out his pinkie finger and tries again
15:58 wizzyrea_laptop with the top of the bar right on the minus
15:58 cm lol!
15:58 wizzyrea_laptop hehe
15:58 cm yeah, you gotta hover the mouse over it just so.
15:58 wizzyrea_laptop and some of them it won't let you -, it will just clear the field
15:59 cm okay, i take that back.  it's not working for me either.  gaah!
15:59 wizzyrea_laptop is it a field that used to have something in it
15:59 wizzyrea_laptop but clicking the minus cleared it
15:59 wizzyrea_laptop that's what I'm seeing
15:59 owen Oh that's what's happening, I'm clicking the minus on an empty field and I can't tell it's emptying :|
16:00 cm oh, okay.
16:00 wizzyrea_laptop this makes me wonder what an older instlal looks like.
16:01 * wizzyrea_laptop totters off to her production install
16:01 owen What a mess
16:01 wizzyrea_laptop it works
16:02 wizzyrea_laptop but it doesn't appear to have changed
16:03 cm i'll look on my test server.  i'd swear it used to work there.
16:03 owen Another bug: If you clone a subfield, then delete the clone, you can't clone the original subfield again. You get a javascript error.
16:03 wizzyrea_laptop doh
16:04 wizzyrea_laptop bleh
16:05 cm on my test server the minus sign will delete the subfield but the plus sign does nothing.
16:05 cm bleh indeed.
16:05 wizzyrea_laptop the line itself doesn't appear to have changed from where my prod install is
16:05 wizzyrea_laptop but it works fine there
16:05 wizzyrea_laptop as an aside, I love the little grey line around the highlights, that's a nice touch
16:06 owen ?
16:06 wizzyrea_laptop when you click more, it does a grey line around the blue mouseover highlight
16:06 wizzyrea_laptop dk when it showed up, but I like it
16:07 owen Works in our production system,
16:08 wizzyrea_laptop and on mine (older)
16:08 cm my production server & test server both claim to be
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16:15 wizzyrea_laptop owen: this grey line :)
16:15 owen wizzyrea_laptop: That's your browser's doing
16:16 wizzyrea_laptop ! well something changed, because it doesn't do it on my production server
16:16 wizzyrea_laptop it's moot really
16:16 wizzyrea_laptop I like it
16:22 kf bye all!
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16:27 cm i'm looking at the git history of addbiblio.tmpl.  maybe it has something to do with this commit? (from 4/7/2010)
16:27 cm[…]206ef96c78b138a38
16:41 cm i'll report it as a bug, since you guys can confirm it.
16:41 wizzyrea_laptop good idea :)
16:44 owen
16:45 wizzyrea_laptop !! did you just do that?
16:45 owen Yeah, what do you think?
16:45 cm i like.  :D  +++owen!
16:45 wizzyrea_laptop owen++ #NEKLS says ya, do it!
16:45 wizzyrea_laptop of course
16:45 wizzyrea_laptop nengard will flail you
16:46 wizzyrea_laptop but it's worth that I think ;_
16:46 wizzyrea_laptop ;)
16:46 wizzyrea_laptop tooltips are niiice
16:46 cm yes, and a much bigger target for clicking.  :)
16:46 wizzyrea_laptop ^^
16:46 * wizzyrea_laptop agreed
16:46 owen It's just a title attribute, not some kind of fancy js tooltip
16:47 gmcharlt owen++
16:47 wizzyrea_laptop even so
16:47 wizzyrea_laptop better than the lacking +- convention
16:48 owen I'll have to ponder whether the interface can display a different icon based on whether the "delete" action really removes the field or whether it just clears it
16:48 wizzyrea_laptop this is an idea worth pondering, I think
16:50 * owen goes see what branch he futzed up on that diversion
16:50 cm interesting...i'm finding that if i click the plus sign, then the minus sign, the subfield is removed.  if i just click the minus sign, it does *not* remove it.
16:51 wizzyrea_laptop weird.
16:52 jcamins I think it is because the Koha MARC editor still doesn't have support for adding arbitrary subfields, so if you delete the last, say, 650$x, you're SOL if the textbox for a 650$x isn't visible.
16:53 gmcharlt exactly s
16:53 gmcharlt *so
16:54 sekjal has anyone else found, on HEAD, that if you set AutoEmailPrimaryAddress to 'first valid' (actual value = 'OFF'), that your messaging breaks down?
16:55 sekjal the logic to convert 'OFF' to the first valid email address seems to be missing in _send_messages_by_email
16:56 sekjal related: bug 3755
16:56 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3755 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, AutoEmailPrimaryAddress does not default to value shown in pulldown
16:57 wizzyrea_laptop well that is certainly logic that would be helpful to add: send email to first valid, which is what prompted our re-labeling of the fields on from email (home/work) to primary/secondary
16:57 wizzyrea_laptop is that it didn't work that way
16:57 wizzyrea_laptop i imagine your question is related to the one that prompted the jquery cookbook on the wiki
16:58 sekjal I'm just noticing that several servers I have running close to HEAD aren't sending any messages (all of them fail)
16:58 sekjal and traced it to this systempreference
16:59 sekjal I could easily add some logic to pick one of the three email fields, but in what order?
16:59 sekjal it should probably be user configurable, shouldn't it?
16:59 * gmcharlt would be tempted to suggest a great renaming of email address fields for 3.4
17:00 gmcharlt e.g., to call one primary, one secondary, etc.
17:00 cm just added bug 4867
17:00 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4867 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, cannot clone subfields in marc editor, other clone/unclone weirdness
17:01 cm gotta go to lunch & dentist!  later, all!
17:01 sekjal gmcharlt: a bigger, better fix would be at allow arbitrarily-many email addresses to be attached to a patron, with labels as to what they are, priority level, and last-successfully-used datetime
17:01 sekjal same for addresses
17:01 gmcharlt yep
17:02 sekjal but, more practically speaking, for now I should probably just figure out how to determine 'first valid'
17:04 wizzyrea_laptop well
17:04 wizzyrea_laptop in the default memberentry
17:04 wizzyrea_laptop the top is first :P
17:05 wizzyrea_laptop that's how I would do it anyway
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17:08 jwagner On the email address question, there is or was a related problem -- no matter which address you specified in the syspref as the primary, the overdues script was only sending to email (wouldn't send to emailpro).  jdavidb did a fix for that on one of our sites -- can't remember if it ever got sent in.
17:13 chris_n owen++
17:14 chris_n very nice improvement
17:19 sekjal-lunch jwagner: yes, jdavidb's patch for that did make it in
17:19 sekjal-lunch as I recall
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17:39 cait hi #koh
17:39 cait a
17:39 chris_n heya cait
17:40 chris_n uh oh... their everywhere
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17:40 chris_n wizzyrea_laptops are cloning again
17:41 jwagner She has to recreate all those stolen laptops _somehow_ :-)
17:42 cait :)
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17:48 wizzyrea_lapt-1 hee
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17:53 gmcharlt forget about hardware in the cloud!  let's do hardware in the replicator!
17:54 jwagner Beam me up, Scotty....
17:54 * wizzyrea emits a series of beeps and boops
17:54 * jdavidb waves to cait
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18:12 jcamins Does anyone know what biblioitems.publicationyear does?
18:13 jcamins *is for
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18:21 * chris_n wonders what wasabi 's line of code does... ;)
18:22 gmcharlt probably implements a whole ILS - if the language is APL
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18:44 jwagner There was some discussion on lists a while back, and I think I've seen all the bug reports, but I don't remember this particular problem.  If a list is created as Public, looking at the list in the OPAC doesn't give you the option to place holds.  Changing the list to Open allows holds (but also allows patrons to add/remove list contents). Shouldn't Public lists allow holds?
18:45 wizzyrea you mean clicking on the title doesn't allow holds?
18:45 * wizzyrea will have to go look at a list
18:45 jwagner No -- for an Open list, if you view the list, you have checkboxes for placing holds.  Those aren't there if it's a Public list.
18:46 wizzyrea oh, if I had to guess that was just an accidental omission
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18:47 wizzyrea hm
18:47 wizzyrea on mine, if you are not logged in, it says "log in to place holds"
18:47 wizzyrea on a public list
18:48 wizzyrea if you are logged in, the checkboxes are there
18:48 wizzyrea (master from today)
18:48 wizzyrea <- logged in
18:48 jwagner Test it a bit further -- if you are logged in as a staff account they show, but not if you're logged in as a patron account.
18:48 wizzyrea k, sec
18:49 jwagner At least that's what we tested -- haven't updated my current head in a couple of days, but this is longstanding behavior.
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18:50 owen I see the same thing jwagner
18:50 wizzyrea ya, you're right, I logged in a juvi patron and the place holds didn't appear
18:51 wizzyrea
18:51 jwagner So the feature isn't available to library patrons, just staff logging into the OPAC :-(
18:51 jwagner Is there any good reason why the check boxes _shouldn't_ appear?
18:51 wizzyrea it looks to me like it is intended to be there though, otherwise why would the button be there?
18:51 wizzyrea not that I can think of
18:52 jwagner I'll do a bugzilla entry -- I may not have time to work on a fix any time soon, though.
18:53 owen Assign it to whatever poor sap is the default for OPAC bugs
18:56 jwagner Bug 4869
18:56 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4869 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Non-staff patrons logging into the OPAC don't have option to place holds from Public Lists
18:56 jwagner I called it major because it basically blocks functionality for library patrons.  However, I don't hear too many people screaming about it :-)
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18:59 owen jwagner: The original purpose of the checkboxes was as a means of deleting items from a list, so they're wrapped in a check of whether the user can manage the list
18:59 owen When holds and tagging were added, the manageshelf permission check was not removed
19:00 wizzyrea yea, accidental omission I'd say
19:00 jwagner owen, that makes sense -- I couldn't figure out why they'd be hidden.
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19:11 owen Man, that template gives me a headache.
19:19 sekjal does have criteria for accepting mail?  I'm noticing that my patches are only getting CC'ed to me, not actually published
19:20 chris_n sekjal: I think it is moderated and you address has to be registered
19:21 * chris_n thinks hdl_laptop manages that list
19:21 chris_n iirc
19:21 * gmcharlt can do so as well, but haven't been seeing bounce or moderation notifications
19:22 gmcharlt sekjal: I'm not seeing that any of your patches are stuck in moderation
19:22 chris_n multi_tz_list_management++
19:22 sekjal alright, well then it's probably an issue on my end, then
19:23 sekjal anyone know why sendmail would send email to the CC address (mine) but not the To address (
19:24 gmcharlt sekjal: check your sendmail logs to see if it attempting to send messages to the server
19:24 gmcharlt iirc correctly, some of the spam filtering in place may be silently dropping emails that it considers spam
19:25 wizzyrea bug 4870
19:25 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4870 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves
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19:34 jwagner owen, oh great wizard :-) I have a really wierd one for you (or anyone else).  I put some stuff in the opacheader syspref (images & some text).  It shows up just fine everywhere except for ONE computer at the library.  On that one, the images show but the text doesn't.  They say they've cleared the cache.  What else could cause that?
19:35 owen Same browser and OS?
19:35 jwagner Yep, on all of the PCs.
19:35 wizzyrea custom css file?
19:35 owen Did you try a different browser on the problem machine?
19:35 jwagner Looks like IE from the screenshot.
19:36 jwagner I'll ask them if they've tried a different one.
19:36 jwagner wizzyrea, if it's a css file, it would be affecting all of them, no?
19:36 * owen imagines a custom font-scaling setting might cause text to wrap strangely?
19:36 wizzyrea not if there is one on that machine specifically
19:36 wizzyrea can't you still do that in IE?
19:37 owen Would someone using IE be the type to have a custom local stylesheet?
19:37 * owen stereotypes wildly
19:37 wizzyrea haha
19:37 wizzyrea it's true
19:39 jwagner Beats der heck out of me....I'll ask them about font-scale settings.
19:40 jwagner At least there's a couple of things to check -- I couldn't come up with anything other than clearing the cache :-)  Thanks.
19:42 * owen wishes his editor could collapse matching TMPL tags
19:44 jcamins jwagner: They might also check the accessibility options (Tools->Options->General->Accessibility).
19:53 cait wizzyrea: saw your bug about damaged items, i think title level holds perhaps need to be treated according to sys pref setting for AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems?
19:54 wizzyrea oh I didn't even realize there WAS a syspref...
19:54 wizzyrea I wonder if (ouch) ours is off
19:55 owen It also might be the case that the preference controls whether holds can be placed, but doesn't control how holds are allocated for the queue
19:56 cait hm manual says: item level holds, 3.2 manual says hold requests (both?) not sure
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20:02 wizzyrea our allowholdsondamageditems is off, so it's definitely broken
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20:13 chrisdroid Morning
20:13 wizzyrea oh hi
20:14 chrisdroid How's things wizzyrea
20:15 wizzyrea things are good I think
20:15 wizzyrea how about you?
20:16 chrisdroid Busy but good
20:16 wizzyrea busy is usually a good sign. :)
20:16 chris_n hey chrisdroid
20:16 chrisdroid Stoked we have ppl from france, uk, italy, taiwan, nigeria, australia and the us coming to kohacon
20:17 wizzyrea that is so cool
20:17 chris_n nice variety
20:18 chrisdroid Yeah, should be a lot of fun
20:20 chrisdroid Calls for talks close in just under a week
20:20 chrisdroid 2 spots open
20:21 chrisdroid Not looking at anyone in particular wizzy
20:22 chrisdroid :)
20:22 wizzyrea hehe
20:22 wizzyrea not sure what I'd talk about at this point
20:22 wizzyrea but I'm thinking
20:23 chrisdroid Managing continuis migrations
20:23 chrisdroid Might be good
20:23 chrisdroid Spelt right
20:23 wizzyrea oh scary, but yea, that's a good idea
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20:25 richard hi
20:25 chris_n hi richard
20:25 richard hi chris_n
20:25 chrisdroid Hi richard
20:26 chris_n time to head home, bbl
20:26 chrisdroid From the 4 bus on courtenay place
20:26 chrisdroid Slow ride in today
20:26 richard heh, thought you might be a bot run by chris_n
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20:28 cm hehe.  :)
20:28 wizzyrea omg he's a robit
20:29 chrisbus Right time to get off, cya's in a bit
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20:43 chris back
20:45 jwagner and forth?
20:47 chris :)
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20:53 chris hey reed
21:05 reed hey
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21:13 chris hay is what horses eat
21:14 * chris channels his grandmother
21:15 Nate I always heard it as "Hay is for horses"
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21:16 chris that works too
21:17 reed too early, need coffee before I can be that clever
21:17 chris you could have one of these cans of sugar drink laced with caffeine
21:17 chris on 2nd thought, don't
21:17 reed very cool tho that someone is willing to take on a 60 hours of flights to make kohacon
21:18 chris yeah thats awesome
21:28 * jwagner whimpers in jealousy -- I wanna go!
21:30 jwagner But I guess I'll head off to my meeting instead :-(
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