Time  Nick              Message
22:47 chris             back
21:51 munin             brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 22.4�C (2:54 PM PDT on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 14.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014.1 hPa (Falling).  Wind Advisory in effect until 3 am PDT Thursday... 
21:51 brendan           @wunder 93117
21:30 jwagner           But I guess I'll head off to my meeting instead :-(
21:28 * jwagner         whimpers in jealousy -- I wanna go!
21:18 chris             yeah thats awesome
21:17 reed              very cool tho that someone is willing to take on a 60 hours of flights to make kohacon
21:17 chris             on 2nd thought, don't
21:17 chris             you could have one of these cans of sugar drink laced with caffeine
21:17 reed              too early, need coffee before I can be that clever
21:16 chris             that works too
21:15 Nate              I always heard it as "Hay is for horses"
21:14 * chris           channels his grandmother
21:13 chris             hay is what horses eat
21:05 reed              hey
20:53 chris             hey reed
20:47 chris             :)
20:45 jwagner           and forth?
20:43 chris             back
20:29 chrisbus          Right time to get off, cya's in a bit
20:28 wizzyrea          omg he's a robit
20:28 cm                hehe.  :)
20:26 richard           heh, thought you might be a bot run by chris_n
20:26 chrisdroid        Slow ride in today
20:26 chrisdroid        From the 4 bus on courtenay place
20:26 chris_n           time to head home, bbl
20:25 chrisdroid        Hi richard
20:25 richard           hi chris_n
20:25 chris_n           hi richard
20:25 richard           hi
20:23 wizzyrea          oh scary, but yea, that's a good idea
20:23 chrisdroid        Spelt right
20:23 chrisdroid        Might be good
20:23 chrisdroid        Managing continuis migrations
20:22 wizzyrea          but I'm thinking
20:22 wizzyrea          not sure what I'd talk about at this point
20:22 wizzyrea          hehe
20:22 chrisdroid        :)
20:21 chrisdroid        Not looking at anyone in particular wizzy
20:20 chrisdroid        2 spots open
20:20 chrisdroid        Calls for talks close in just under a week
20:18 chrisdroid        Yeah, should be a lot of fun
20:17 chris_n           nice variety
20:17 wizzyrea          that is so cool
20:16 chrisdroid        Stoked we have ppl from france, uk, italy, taiwan, nigeria, australia and the us coming to kohacon
20:16 chris_n           hey chrisdroid
20:16 wizzyrea          busy is usually a good sign. :)
20:16 chrisdroid        Busy but good
20:15 wizzyrea          how about you?
20:15 wizzyrea          things are good I think
20:14 chrisdroid        How's things wizzyrea
20:13 wizzyrea          oh hi
20:13 chrisdroid        Morning
20:02 wizzyrea          our allowholdsondamageditems is off, so it's definitely broken
20:01 cait              bye all
19:56 cait              hm koha.org manual says: item level holds, 3.2 manual says hold requests (both?) not sure
19:55 owen              It also might be the case that the preference controls whether holds can be placed, but doesn't control how holds are allocated for the queue
19:54 wizzyrea          I wonder if (ouch) ours is off
19:54 wizzyrea          oh I didn't even realize there WAS a syspref...
19:53 cait              wizzyrea: saw your bug about damaged items, i think title level holds perhaps need to be treated according to sys pref setting for AllowHoldsOnDamagedItems?
19:44 jcamins           jwagner: They might also check the accessibility options (Tools->Options->General->Accessibility).
19:42 * owen            wishes his editor could collapse matching TMPL tags
19:40 jwagner           At least there's a couple of things to check -- I couldn't come up with anything other than clearing the cache :-)  Thanks.
19:39 jwagner           Beats der heck out of me....I'll ask them about font-scale settings.
19:37 wizzyrea          it's true
19:37 wizzyrea          haha
19:37 * owen            stereotypes wildly
19:37 owen              Would someone using IE be the type to have a custom local stylesheet?
19:36 wizzyrea          can't you still do that in IE?
19:36 wizzyrea          not if there is one on that machine specifically
19:36 * owen            imagines a custom font-scaling setting might cause text to wrap strangely?
19:36 jwagner           wizzyrea, if it's a css file, it would be affecting all of them, no?
19:36 jwagner           I'll ask them if they've tried a different one.
19:35 jwagner           Looks like IE from the screenshot.
19:35 owen              Did you try a different browser on the problem machine?
19:35 wizzyrea          custom css file?
19:35 jwagner           Yep, on all of the PCs.
19:35 owen              Same browser and OS?
19:34 jwagner           owen, oh great wizard :-) I have a really wierd one for you (or anyone else).  I put some stuff in the opacheader syspref (images & some text).  It shows up just fine everywhere except for ONE computer at the library.  On that one, the images show but the text doesn't.  They say they've cleared the cache.  What else could cause that?
19:25 munin             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4870 normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Damaged status does not prevent items from being selected for reserves
19:25 wizzyrea          bug 4870
19:24 gmcharlt          iirc correctly, some of the spam filtering in place may be silently dropping emails that it considers spam
19:24 gmcharlt          sekjal: check your sendmail logs to see if it attempting to send messages to the lists.koha-community.org server
19:23 sekjal            anyone know why sendmail would send email to the CC address (mine) but not the To address (koha-patches@lists.koha-community.org)?
19:22 sekjal            alright, well then it's probably an issue on my end, then
19:22 chris_n           multi_tz_list_management++
19:22 gmcharlt          sekjal: I'm not seeing that any of your patches are stuck in moderation
19:21 * gmcharlt        can do so as well, but haven't been seeing bounce or moderation notifications
19:21 chris_n           iirc
19:21 * chris_n         thinks hdl_laptop manages that list
19:20 chris_n           sekjal: I think it is moderated and you address has to be registered
19:19 sekjal            does koha-patches@lists.koha-community.org have criteria for accepting mail?  I'm noticing that my patches are only getting CC'ed to me, not actually published
19:11 owen              Man, that template gives me a headache.
19:00 jwagner           owen, that makes sense -- I couldn't figure out why they'd be hidden.
19:00 wizzyrea          yea, accidental omission I'd say
18:59 owen              When holds and tagging were added, the manageshelf permission check was not removed
18:59 owen              jwagner: The original purpose of the checkboxes was as a means of deleting items from a list, so they're wrapped in a check of whether the user can manage the list
18:56 jwagner           I called it major because it basically blocks functionality for library patrons.  However, I don't hear too many people screaming about it :-)
18:56 munin             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4869 major, P5, ---, oleonard, NEW, Non-staff patrons logging into the OPAC don't have option to place holds from Public Lists
18:56 jwagner           Bug 4869
18:53 owen              Assign it to whatever poor sap is the default for OPAC bugs
18:52 jwagner           I'll do a bugzilla entry -- I may not have time to work on a fix any time soon, though.
18:51 wizzyrea          not that I can think of
18:51 wizzyrea          it looks to me like it is intended to be there though, otherwise why would the button be there?
18:51 jwagner           Is there any good reason why the check boxes _shouldn't_ appear?
18:51 jwagner           So the feature isn't available to library patrons, just staff logging into the OPAC :-(
18:51 wizzyrea          http://screencast.com/t/YTk1ZTY1O
18:50 wizzyrea          ya, you're right, I logged in a juvi patron and the place holds didn't appear
18:50 owen              I see the same thing jwagner
18:49 jwagner           At least that's what we tested -- haven't updated my current head in a couple of days, but this is longstanding behavior.
18:48 wizzyrea          k, sec
18:48 jwagner           Test it a bit further -- if you are logged in as a staff account they show, but not if you're logged in as a patron account.
18:48 wizzyrea          http://screencast.com/t/NGFiYmYw <- logged in
18:48 wizzyrea          (master from today)
18:48 wizzyrea          if you are logged in, the checkboxes are there
18:47 wizzyrea          on a public list
18:47 wizzyrea          on mine, if you are not logged in, it says "log in to place holds"
18:47 wizzyrea          hm
18:46 wizzyrea          oh, if I had to guess that was just an accidental omission
18:45 jwagner           No -- for an Open list, if you view the list, you have checkboxes for placing holds.  Those aren't there if it's a Public list.
18:45 * wizzyrea        will have to go look at a list
18:45 wizzyrea          you mean clicking on the title doesn't allow holds?
18:44 jwagner           There was some discussion on lists a while back, and I think I've seen all the bug reports, but I don't remember this particular problem.  If a list is created as Public, looking at the list in the OPAC doesn't give you the option to place holds.  Changing the list to Open allows holds (but also allows patrons to add/remove list contents). Shouldn't Public lists allow holds?
18:22 gmcharlt          probably implements a whole ILS - if the language is APL
18:21 * chris_n         wonders what wasabi 's line of code does... ;)
18:13 jcamins           *is for
18:12 jcamins           Does anyone know what biblioitems.publicationyear does?
17:54 pastebot          "wasabi" at pasted "bbb" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/7
17:54 * jdavidb         waves to cait
17:54 * wizzyrea        emits a series of beeps and boops
17:54 jwagner           Beam me up, Scotty....
17:53 gmcharlt          forget about hardware in the cloud!  let's do hardware in the replicator!
17:48 wizzyrea_lapt-1   hee
17:42 cait              :)
17:41 jwagner           She has to recreate all those stolen laptops _somehow_ :-)
17:40 chris_n           wizzyrea_laptops are cloning again
17:40 chris_n           uh oh... their everywhere
17:39 chris_n           heya cait
17:39 cait              a
17:39 cait              hi #koh
17:19 sekjal-lunch      as I recall
17:19 sekjal-lunch      jwagner: yes, jdavidb's patch for that did make it in
17:14 chris_n           very nice improvement
17:13 chris_n           owen++
17:08 jwagner           On the email address question, there is or was a related problem -- no matter which address you specified in the syspref as the primary, the overdues script was only sending to email (wouldn't send to emailpro).  jdavidb did a fix for that on one of our sites -- can't remember if it ever got sent in.
17:05 wizzyrea_laptop   that's how I would do it anyway
17:04 wizzyrea_laptop   the top is first :P
17:04 wizzyrea_laptop   in the default memberentry
17:04 wizzyrea_laptop   well
17:02 sekjal            but, more practically speaking, for now I should probably just figure out how to determine 'first valid'
17:01 gmcharlt          yep
17:01 sekjal            same for addresses
17:01 sekjal            gmcharlt: a bigger, better fix would be at allow arbitrarily-many email addresses to be attached to a patron, with labels as to what they are, priority level, and last-successfully-used datetime
17:01 cm                gotta go to lunch & dentist!  later, all!
17:00 munin             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=4867 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, cannot clone subfields in marc editor, other clone/unclone weirdness
17:00 cm                just added bug 4867
17:00 gmcharlt          e.g., to call one primary, one secondary, etc.
16:59 * gmcharlt        would be tempted to suggest a great renaming of email address fields for 3.4
16:59 sekjal            it should probably be user configurable, shouldn't it?
16:59 sekjal            I could easily add some logic to pick one of the three email fields, but in what order?
16:58 sekjal            and traced it to this systempreference
16:58 sekjal            I'm just noticing that several servers I have running close to HEAD aren't sending any messages (all of them fail)
16:57 wizzyrea_laptop   i imagine your question is related to the one that prompted the jquery cookbook on the wiki
16:57 wizzyrea_laptop   is that it didn't work that way
16:57 wizzyrea_laptop   well that is certainly logic that would be helpful to add: send email to first valid, which is what prompted our re-labeling of the fields on memberentry.pl from email (home/work) to primary/secondary
16:56 munin             04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3755 enhancement, P5, ---, paul.poulain, NEW, AutoEmailPrimaryAddress does not default to value shown in pulldown
16:56 sekjal            related: bug 3755
16:55 sekjal            the logic to convert 'OFF' to the first valid email address seems to be missing in _send_messages_by_email
16:54 sekjal            has anyone else found, on HEAD, that if you set AutoEmailPrimaryAddress to 'first valid' (actual value = 'OFF'), that your messaging breaks down?
16:53 gmcharlt          *so
16:53 gmcharlt          exactly s
16:52 jcamins           I think it is because the Koha MARC editor still doesn't have support for adding arbitrary subfields, so if you delete the last, say, 650$x, you're SOL if the textbox for a 650$x isn't visible.
16:51 wizzyrea_laptop   weird.
16:50 cm                interesting...i'm finding that if i click the plus sign, then the minus sign, the subfield is removed.  if i just click the minus sign, it does *not* remove it.
16:50 * owen            goes see what branch he futzed up on that diversion
16:48 wizzyrea_laptop   this is an idea worth pondering, I think
16:48 owen              I'll have to ponder whether the interface can display a different icon based on whether the "delete" action really removes the field or whether it just clears it
16:47 wizzyrea_laptop   better than the lacking +- convention
16:47 wizzyrea_laptop   even so
16:47 gmcharlt          owen++
16:46 owen              It's just a title attribute, not some kind of fancy js tooltip
16:46 * wizzyrea_laptop agreed
16:46 wizzyrea_laptop   ^^
16:46 cm                yes, and a much bigger target for clicking.  :)
16:46 wizzyrea_laptop   tooltips are niiice
16:46 wizzyrea_laptop   ;)
16:46 wizzyrea_laptop   but it's worth that I think ;_
16:45 wizzyrea_laptop   nengard will flail you
16:45 wizzyrea_laptop   of course
16:45 wizzyrea_laptop   owen++ #NEKLS says ya, do it!
16:45 cm                i like.  :D  +++owen!
16:45 owen              Yeah, what do you think?
16:45 wizzyrea_laptop   !! did you just do that?
16:44 owen              http://www.screencast.com/t/YjM3OGZjZTk
16:41 wizzyrea_laptop   good idea :)
16:41 cm                i'll report it as a bug, since you guys can confirm it.
16:27 cm                http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=17410624465fef8dc739c88206ef96c78b138a38
16:27 cm                i'm looking at the git history of addbiblio.tmpl.  maybe it has something to do with this commit? (from 4/7/2010)
16:22 kf                bye all!
16:16 wizzyrea_laptop   I like it
16:16 wizzyrea_laptop   it's moot really
16:16 wizzyrea_laptop   ! well something changed, because it doesn't do it on my production server
16:15 owen              wizzyrea_laptop: That's your browser's doing
16:15 wizzyrea_laptop   owen: this grey line :) http://screencast.com/t/ZTM1MDZlMD
16:08 cm                my production server & test server both claim to be
16:08 wizzyrea_laptop   and on mine (older)
16:07 owen              Works in our production system,
16:06 wizzyrea_laptop   dk when it showed up, but I like it
16:06 wizzyrea_laptop   when you click more, it does a grey line around the blue mouseover highlight
16:06 owen              ?
16:05 wizzyrea_laptop   as an aside, I love the little grey line around the highlights, that's a nice touch
16:05 wizzyrea_laptop   but it works fine there
16:05 wizzyrea_laptop   the line itself doesn't appear to have changed from where my prod install is
16:05 cm                bleh indeed.
16:05 cm                on my test server the minus sign will delete the subfield but the plus sign does nothing.
16:04 wizzyrea_laptop   bleh
16:03 wizzyrea_laptop   doh
16:03 owen              Another bug: If you clone a subfield, then delete the clone, you can't clone the original subfield again. You get a javascript error.
16:03 cm                i'll look on my test server.  i'd swear it used to work there.
16:02 wizzyrea_laptop   but it doesn't appear to have changed
16:01 wizzyrea_laptop   it works
16:01 owen              What a mess
16:01 * wizzyrea_laptop totters off to her production install
16:00 wizzyrea_laptop   this makes me wonder what an older instlal looks like.
16:00 cm                oh, okay.
15:59 owen              Oh that's what's happening, I'm clicking the minus on an empty field and I can't tell it's emptying :|
15:59 wizzyrea_laptop   that's what I'm seeing
15:59 wizzyrea_laptop   but clicking the minus cleared it
15:59 wizzyrea_laptop   is it a field that used to have something in it
15:59 cm                okay, i take that back.  it's not working for me either.  gaah!
15:58 wizzyrea_laptop   and some of them it won't let you -, it will just clear the field
15:58 cm                yeah, you gotta hover the mouse over it just so.
15:58 wizzyrea_laptop   hehe
15:58 cm                lol!
15:58 wizzyrea_laptop   with the top of the bar right on the minus
15:57 * owen            sticks out his pinkie finger and tries again
15:57 wizzyrea_laptop   you have to click it *just so* I found
15:57 owen              Strange, the minus sign doesn't work for me
15:55 cm                that's weird.  the minus sign uses <span>, and it works.
15:53 owen              ..and you get the right pointer too of course, which is a plus
15:53 wizzyrea_laptop   hrm
15:53 owen              Interesting... If I change the <span>+</span> to <a href="#">+</a> it works
15:52 cm                thanks.  i'm glad to know it's not just me.  :)
15:51 wizzyrea_laptop   yep I get the same on MacOS -> chrome
15:48 cm                Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'getAttribute' of undefined
15:48 cm                yesterday using chrome's developer mode it gave me this error, if it means anything to anyone:
15:48 owen              I get a javascript error: "link is undefined"
15:47 wizzyrea_laptop   ya
15:47 cm                the cursor, that is.
15:47 cm                nope, me neither.  it looks like a text editing bar.
15:47 wizzyrea_laptop   but the - does work
15:47 wizzyrea_laptop   I don't even get a clicky hand for the black ones
15:47 cm                okay, so it isn't me!
15:47 owen              Then I looked at the wrong thing cm
15:47 cm                on mine the blue ones are for fields, and the work.
15:47 wizzyrea_laptop   right, I can't get those plus signs to work on today's HEAD
15:46 cm                black.
15:46 wizzyrea_laptop   are you talking about the blue links or the black ones?
15:46 cm                i've tried ff & chrome on both linux & windows.  it must be me.  :P  thanks, owen.
15:45 owen              cm: Using Firefox on Windows it works for me. It's a little slow, but it works.
15:45 wizzyrea_laptop   i'm checking it 1s
15:44 cm                the - to remove the subfield does work.
15:43 cm                i'm having trouble with repeatable subfields in the marc editor on 3.2alpha2.  the plus sign to repeat the subfield doesn't do anything.  is anyone else experiencing this, or is it just me?
15:43 owen              Hi cm
15:42 cm                hi #koha!
15:18 wizzyrea_laptop   so sayeth Douglas Adams
15:18 jdavidb           no, the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything is "forty-two."
15:17 jcamins           Why, yes, I am doing series authority work. How could you tell?
15:17 wizzyrea_laptop   I sure hope not
15:17 * wizzyrea_laptop frowns
15:17 jcamins           jdavidb: I think that _was_ the answer.
15:17 jdavidb           didn't think so.
15:17 munin             jdavidb: The outlook is poor.
15:17 jdavidb           @eightball Do you have the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything.
15:17 wizzyrea_laptop   they make very bad pets.
15:17 wizzyrea_laptop   the snippets will nippets at you
15:16 jdavidb           gotta watch out for stray snippets.
15:16 wizzyrea_laptop   wahoo!
15:16 jwagner           Now I can go snarl at something else :-)
15:14 wizzyrea_laptop   yay!
15:14 jwagner           Aha -- there was a snippet left over from some earlier work on my test system's jquery box.  Got rid of it & it now shows up.  Thanks!
15:14 wizzyrea_laptop   but that's a very nice explanation, thanks :)
15:14 wizzyrea_laptop   right, I just noticed that
15:14 owen              So your snippet ends up with <h3><h3>Hey you</h3> Confirm holds...</h3>
15:13 owen              wizzyrea_laptop: Note that .prepend adds the content to the beginning of what is inside the selected tag
15:13 wizzyrea_laptop   are you doing something else to this page with jquery that changes it?
15:13 wizzyrea_laptop   well both worked for me
15:12 wizzyrea_laptop   $("#holds h3").prepend("<h3>Hey you</h3>");
15:12 jwagner           Nope, didn't make anything appear.
15:12 wizzyrea_laptop   ^^ .prepend works too
15:09 owen              $("#holds h3").before("<p>Hey you</p>");
15:09 jwagner           I'm trying to prepend some text.
15:08 jwagner           Yes, but trying to use #holds or #opac-reserve #holds seems to have no effect.
15:07 owen              Is that what you have?
15:07 owen              jwagner: In my OPAC there is a <div id="holds"> followed by a <h3>
15:02 jwagner           Trying to add some text on the place hold page in the opac ("Confirm hold for") -- it has a div but I can't make anything show up.
14:58 chris_n           been there done that :)
14:58 owen              anything I might help with jwagner?
14:58 nengard           heh
14:54 * jwagner         snarls at jquery & goes off to work on something else....
14:34 kyle              does anyone know why the Datedue option for the useDaysMode syspref is no longer exposed? We used it on our dev_week server. The option is still referenced in the codebase.
14:34 tomascohen        if using nullmailer also mailname
14:33 tomascohen        ussualy IP, hostname, koha-http.conf andno much more
14:33 kyle              hey all
14:33 tomascohen        and create your own instance installing scripts
14:33 tomascohen        if they are virtual machines you can identify the changes you need to make
14:32 CGI251            Yeah, we can change the local things after. Its not on one big host which would be good, rather many individual servers
14:31 gmcharlt          main thing, presumably, would be making sure that each of the database don't end up with exactly the same mysql database password
14:30 gmcharlt          but if you're referring to just copying the Koha installation around from server to server, that wouldn't be particularly problematic either
14:30 gmcharlt          well, if you're working with a fully virtualized setup, cloning VMs wouldn't be a big deal
14:26 CGI251            either
14:26 CGI251            VMware, wouldn't they be wither P2V'd or created from within a VM first?
14:26 CGI251            VMware, wouldn't they be wither P2V'd or created from within a VM first?
14:25 CGI251            There would be plenty of local changes later alright but the base image would be handy
14:25 * chris_n         thinks that is basically how the vm images of koha work, no?
14:24 gmcharlt          other than the the possible issue of propagating changes after the copies are made, nothing comes to mind that would prevent doing that
14:21 CGI251            Can anyone think of anything that might cause me problems with this idea, or should I just setup each site from scratch?
14:21 CGI251            I have up to 8 seperate, non related Koha sites to setup, I would like to install a complete system (vanilla) then lift the db, and file structure to use on the other sites without running through the installers again
14:20 CGI251            Hello all, would anyone have any opinions on the following:
14:19 munin             New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2789 Fix UNIMAC leader plugin <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=77f04bd426abe824fab66a3f5a4ec90cda734110>
14:06 chris_n           nahuel: will it be ok just to put the zebra out to pasture rather than in the trash? ;-)
14:01 chris_n           of course it will not help if the box running the irc server bounces
14:00 * chris_n         is working on trying to setup a bot to help maintain ops
14:00 chris_n           owen: actually I can request it to op me so long as it is op'd
13:59 munin             New commit(s) kohagit: (bug #4853) change rights needed to renew loans <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f0f4885965995bbecef5acc3c2f4c0c7f52a78b>
13:58 owen              So chris_n, you bot gives you ops when you arrive?
13:56 munin             chris_n: The operation succeeded.
13:56 chris_n           @later tell chilts thanks for the pointers, I'll take a look at them over the next few days
13:55 chris_n           ahh... ta munin
13:54 chris_n           g'morning
13:49 munin             New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 2505: Enabled warnings in patron-attr-types.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=34936223f385713bb87f12432e4adf2fe430264c>
13:38 nengard           okay - restarting fixed it - was able to save my manual edits!! was panicking there for a minute
13:18 owen              Assuming the incoming new cardnumber is accurate of course
13:17 nengard           brb - need to restart
13:17 jwagner           That's what I thought.  So it should be safe to do patron imports that are matching on an attribute, but where the incoming data's cardnumber might overwrite the existing cardnumber.
13:16 owen              jwagner: If it were not so, changing someone's library card number would cause Koha to forget everything they had checked out!
13:15 jwagner           Can someone confirm that all the issues/statistics/whatever links between patrons and checkouts/holds are on _borrowernumber_ ? If the cardnumber gets changed, it won't hurt anything current or historical?  I'm about 90% sure that's the case, but....
13:14 nengard           i think my computer is not happy with how big the manual has gotten ...
13:12 nengard           thank you!!
13:12 gmcharlt          git checkout path/to/file
13:12 gmcharlt          or
13:12 gmcharlt          git reset --hard in your repo, if you have no other changes pending
13:12 gmcharlt          nengard: two ways
13:11 nengard           and overwrite what i have on my machine?
13:11 nengard           how can i fetch the file from the git repo
13:11 nengard           gmcharlt got a git question - my xml editor just failed while saving and so it screwed up my docbook file
13:11 kmkale            humm
13:11 munin             kmkale: *click*
13:11 kmkale            @roulette
13:08 jwagner           That should be a help -- I've never come close to figuring out how to do anything in pastebin....
13:08 jdavidb           chris++
13:07 gmcharlt          FYI, chris has set up http://paste.koha-community.org/ for sending pastes to this #IRC channel
13:06 nengard           oh poo!! the manual doesn't want to save and I just did a ton of work!! :(
13:05 jdavidb           could be, jwagner.
13:05 jwagner           Or is living in an alternate universe with an alternate definition of "rational"
13:04 jdavidb           *some* munin or another has been at the Kool-Aid.
13:04 jdavidb           *snort*
13:04 owen              There you go.
13:04 munin             jdavidb: Obviously.
13:04 jdavidb           @eightball do I currently have  a rational work plan for the week?
13:02 gmcharlt          pastebot: help
12:48 munin             New commit(s) kohagit: Final batch of POD cleanups. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4370a19d75e2824d71946898d0876fb899199e52> / POD Cleanups <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa9b4d92cdfc9147f4da4033f4cbc0245f0ac9d1> / More POD cleanups <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=546a0244bb34832e37827c14498963eb3d1b3b82> / POD Cleanups - Few minor ones this time
12:43 pastebot          "gmcharlt" at pasted "test of paste" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/5
12:41 * chris           wanders off to sleep
12:38 munin             New commit(s) kohagit: applied paranoia <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=02b9e03567fcb635943bdaabc0f8c150a8b402a1>
12:28 munin             New commit(s) kohagit: Build with pdebuild, not debuild. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=604d871d27b715369f8d4e4636cb5e1799bbf7ae> / Remove dependencies on perl-base. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=73152b7ac45881fb7fa3f15fc3e19d16b746f058> / Bug #4864 Add SIPServer Perl Module Dependencies <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3489aa045c8024ede3462ada14e
12:17 jwagner           er, I meant an entry written by somebody who understands it :-)
12:14 gmcharlt          jwagner: go for it
12:14 jwagner           gmcharlt, might be a good topic for a wiki entry, under the developer section.
12:10 jwagner           I didn't think i could be :-) but I didn't remember ever hearing how to do it.
12:09 gmcharlt          you're not the first to have submitted patches against etc/zebradb
12:09 gmcharlt          no, just submit the index changes - the changes are independent of how they get distributed
12:09 jwagner           (for existing sites, that is)
12:08 jwagner           So if I were to do this, I'd have to include a readme that said "go update your index conf files with these settings"
12:08 jwagner           OK. jdavidb is telling me to change etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/record.abs (and the other files) under the kohaclone tree if I wanted to package these up for submission.  That would take care of new installs, but not updates if I'm understanding it correctly.
12:06 gmcharlt          jwagner: mostly because some of the Zebra config files have site-specific bits, mostly paths to directories
12:05 chris             we'll have one or some that we create .deb packages from, they go into the repository, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade to roll out the changes
12:05 kf                hi owen
12:05 owen              Alright Wednesday, let's do this.
12:04 chris             certainly we plan not to run out of git checkouts for much longer at all
12:03 * jwagner         jumps back into the box
12:03 jdavidb           localization.
12:02 jwagner           Thinking outside the proverbial box here, is there a reason the index files live outside the kohaclone tree anyway?
12:00 jdavidb           That's certainly how we're doing it here, gmcharlt.  We're symlinking to the ones inside the cloned repo, at the moment, so for *lots* of sites, it's just a "remember to reindex" line-item.
12:00 jwagner           jdavidb was muttering about symlinks as a solution.  That would work in our environment, but I didn't know how to package the changes up in a commit or patch for submission.
12:00 chris             if you ran from packages, and had the files in the package then apt-get upgrade would fix it
11:59 gmcharlt          you could just do symbolic links to a set of master record.abs
11:59 gmcharlt          of course, if (for the most part), most of the sites use the same indexing definitions
11:59 gmcharlt          well, as far as large arrays of Koha databases are concerned, jdavidb may be able to build on some of the stuff that larsw did in the Debian packaging, particularly the bits to add and disable new Koha sites, to add a mode to propagate indexing changes
11:57 jwagner           I was hoping for some nice structured way of adding it to the installation files :-(
11:56 jwagner           But with potentially several hundred installations, it's not something I want to have to handle manually.
11:56 jwagner           In this case, I want to add some brand new indexes, so the workflow would be something like cat newindexsettings >> indexconfigfile
11:55 gmcharlt          on the other hand, it wouldn't be too hard to put together a variant of dev mode that lets some of the zebra config files, including record.abs, be taken from the git clone, not from a copy in a separate run directory
11:55 kf                ah, sorry.
11:55 gmcharlt          main issue is that overwriting by default would be a problem - could scribble over any local indexing definitions that could have been added by the user
11:54 jwagner           gmcharlt, there isn't a standard way to do it now?
11:54 gmcharlt          jwagner: maybe toss in a script to update the index defs
11:54 kf                I did that in my patch for record-control-number, but gmcharlt has not pushed it (perhaps will have to wait till 3.4
11:54 jwagner           manually?  That's what I'm trying to avoid.
11:54 jdavidb           trying to get things moving again after a really bizarre day yesterday.
11:53 kf                jwagner: gmcharlt told me to copy them over
11:53 kf                what makes you harrumph?
11:53 jwagner           Got a question for the wizards out there.  I understand how to add a new syspref to the installer files so that it's created with a new installation.  If I want to add some permanent new indexes, how can I tell Koha that these should be added at installation?  The record.abs & other index files are outside kohaclone directory tree.  I don't want people to have to remember to update manually.
11:53 nengard           what's wrong?
11:53 kf                hi jdavidb :)
11:53 jdavidb           harrrumph.
11:52 munin             kmkale: (monologue [<channel>]) -- Returns the number of consecutive lines you've sent in <channel> without being interrupted by someone else (i.e. how long your current 'monologue' is). <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
11:52 kmkale            @help monologue
11:51 munin             kmkale: Your current monologue is at least 4 lines long.
11:51 kmkale            @monologue
11:51 munin             kmkale: Error: "monolouge" is not a valid command.
11:51 kmkale            @monolouge
11:49 kmkale            try removing it and restarting apache
11:49 kmkale            library: your default apache config might be overriding the koha conf
11:49 kf                library: where are you from?
11:48 library           kf: thanks :)
11:48 kf                library: thats what I normally do on my test installations, not sure if there is a better way
11:48 munin             kmkale: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
11:48 kmkale            @help whatis
11:48 kf                library: you can edit the koha file in apache confiugaration and change the ips there
11:48 munin             kmkale: Error: 'whatis' is not a valid plugin.
11:48 kmkale            @list whatis
11:47 munin             kmkale: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis
11:47 kmkale            @list Factoids
11:47 munin             kmkale: apply, echo, ignore, last, shuffle, and success
11:47 kmkale            @list Utilities
11:46 library           my machine is and when I Type I get: It works. the same happens with port 8080. I cannot get login prompt of KOha. please advise
11:46 munin             kmkale: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
11:46 kmkale            @list
11:46 munin             kmkale: Error: 'munin' is not a valid plugin.
11:46 kmkale            @list munin
11:33 chris             youre welcome
11:29 chris             heh cool
11:27 nengard           and the person who replied was a librarian who had read my book :)
11:26 nengard           so i emailed the association
11:26 nengard           I was doing some research for my PT and she was annoyed cause the databases they gave her access to didn't have the resources she needed
11:26 nengard           so - the library world is so so so small!
11:16 nengard           howdy
11:13 chris             hi nengard
11:13 chris             and www.koha-community.org and bugs.koha-community.org etc etc :)
11:12 chris             yes, use http://wiki.koha-community.org/
11:12 library           hello, I see that http://wiki.koha.org/ does not work. Any hints?
11:11 kmkale            yes could be.
11:11 chris             it might have been a network thing, i was using it yesterday ok
11:10 kmkale            humm I was meaning to tell you for last two days and when I do it start working :(
11:09 chris             it is on my server at home
11:09 chris             heh
11:09 kmkale            aww and lo just now its loading perfectly :(
11:09 chris             seems to be working from here
11:09 chris             really?
11:08 kmkale            chris for past several day I am unable to access http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/ the page just loads forever without displaying anything.
10:37 chris             might be worth upgrading to 3.0.6 quite a few fixes between those 2 versions
10:34 zico              chris: it`s 3.0.5
10:08 chris             its just 2 particular users zico? and what version of koha?
10:07 chris             cool
10:07 pastebot          "chris" at pasted "test" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/2
10:04 pastebot          "chris" at pasted "test" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/1
09:55 zico              can you help me about that?
09:55 zico              just a yellow bar comes...nothing else
09:55 zico              then... no "confirmation windows" comes
09:55 zico              if we put the barcode there in "check out" box
09:54 zico              two users cannot "check out" any book or cds
09:53 zico              i am facing problem with "checking out" issue
09:46 zico              hi chris
09:43 chris             hi zico
09:36 zico              hello
09:17 kf                hi chris :)
09:17 chris             hi kf
09:17 kf                morning #koha
08:13 munin             kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (1:10 PM IST on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Falling).
08:13 kmkale            @weather Mumbai
07:36 brendan           yeah that's pretty cool
07:28 kmkale            great calendar design for world cup here http://www.marca.com/deporte/futbol/mundial/sudafrica-2010/calendario-english.html
07:25 brendan           nice only a few days left until world cup month :)
06:59 kmkale            good afternoon
06:52 munin             brendan: 6, 5, 4, 5, 2, and 3
06:52 brendan           @dice 6d6
06:52 munin             brendan: (dice <dice>d<sides>) -- Rolls a die with <sides> number of sides <dice> times. For example, 2d6 will roll 2 six-sided dice; 10d10 will roll 10 ten-sided dice.
06:52 brendan           @dice
06:52 munin             brendan: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
06:52 brendan           @list games
06:52 munin             brendan: Error: The "Games" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "list" in it.  Try "list Games" to see the commands in the "Games" plugin.
06:52 brendan           @games list
06:51 munin             brendan: Error: "bingo" is not a valid command.
06:51 brendan           @bingo
06:38 munin             wasabi: Error: "play" is not a valid command.
06:38 wasabi            @play thermonuclear warfare?
06:37 wasabi            oooh, bingo
06:36 munin             wasabi: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3.  I couldn't fetch the newest version from the Supybot website.
06:36 wasabi            @version
06:35 munin             wasabi: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
06:35 wasabi            @help list
06:35 munin             wasabi: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
06:35 wasabi            @list
06:35 munin             wasabi: (list [--private] [<plugin>]) -- Lists the commands available in the given plugin. If no plugin is given, lists the public plugins available. If --private is given, lists the private plugins.
06:35 wasabi            @help list
06:35 munin             wasabi: Error: There is no command "list commands".
06:35 wasabi            @help list commands
06:35 munin             wasabi: Error: There is no command "show commands".
06:35 wasabi            @help show commands
06:35 robin             wasabi: @list
06:34 munin             wasabi: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
06:34 wasabi            @help
06:34 munin             wasabi: Error: There is no command "plugins".
06:34 wasabi            @help plugins
06:34 munin             wasabi: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
06:34 wasabi            @help help
06:34 munin             wasabi: Error: There is no command "command".
06:34 wasabi            @help command
06:34 munin             wasabi: Error: There is no command "commands".
06:34 wasabi            @help commands
06:33 munin             wasabi: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
06:33 wasabi            @help
05:31 munin             brendan_office: The operation succeeded.
05:31 brendan_office    @later tell jdavidb Happy Birthday
04:43 chris             handy
04:42 munin             chris: Todo for chris: #1: get the pastebot going again
04:42 chris             @todo
04:42 munin             chris: The operation succeeded.  (Todo #1 added)
04:42 chris             @todo add get the pastebot going again
04:42 munin             chris: (todo add [--priority=<num>] <text>) -- Adds <text> as a task in your own personal todo list. The optional priority argument allows you to set a task as a high or low priority. Any integer is valid.
04:42 chris             @todo add
04:41 chris             oh cool
04:41 munin             chris: (todo [<username> [<task id>]|<task id>]) -- Retrieves a task for the given task id. If no task id is given, it will return a list of task ids that that user has added to their todo list.
04:41 chris             @help todo
04:41 munin             chris: You have no tasks in your todo list.
04:41 chris             @todo
04:41 munin             chris: (note <id>) -- Retrieves a single note by its unique note id. Use the 'note list' command to see what unread notes you have.
04:41 chris             @help note
04:41 munin             chris: You have no unread notes.
04:41 chris             @note list
04:41 munin             chris: (note <id>) -- Retrieves a single note by its unique note id. Use the 'note list' command to see what unread notes you have.
04:41 chris             @note
04:40 munin             chris: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
04:40 chris             @list
04:40 chris             yeah thats actually no help munin
04:40 munin             robin: Error: "plugins" is not a valid command.
04:40 robin             @plugins
04:40 munin             chris: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
04:40 chris             @help
04:40 munin             chris: Error: There is no command "commands".
04:40 chris             @help commands
04:40 munin             chris: Error: "notices" is not a valid command.
04:40 chris             @notices
04:40 chilts            well done munin
04:40 chilts            ah cool :)
04:29 chris             now he'll get it as soon as munin notices him :)
04:29 munin             chris: The operation succeeded.
04:29 chris             @later tell chris_n < chilts> __git_heads also gives you something nicer to work with than 'git branch' and having to munge it :)
04:28 munin             chris: The operation succeeded.
04:28 chris             @later tell chris_n < chilts> might be worth doing 'use Git;' rather than shelling out to the commands
04:28 chilts            sorry, I should make a patch but I don't have a checkout here or a use-case ... :)
04:28 chilts            __git_heads also gives you something nicer to work with than 'git branch' and having to munge it :)
04:26 chilts            I find it makes it a bit easier
04:26 chilts            might be worth doing 'use Git;' rather than shelling out to the commands
04:25 chris             night chris_n
04:20 chris_n           g'night
04:20 chris_n           lol
04:14 larsw             (actually, what I really want is to marry vcs and vm, so I can have version control of my virtual machines)
04:06 chris_n           but that's a problem for tomorrow
04:05 chris_n           sudo -u koha has a bit of a problem with the KOHA_CONF env var
04:04 chris_n           time to head to the stall
04:04 chris_n           here's the raw (very) script: http://perl.pastebin.com/gy0vVSZn
04:04 chris             ill get that up tonight
04:04 chris             ah yep
04:02 chris_n           pastebot down chris?
03:56 larsw             (virtual machines are not quite there yet, but pretty soon I suspect I will view them as essential a tool as version control)
03:54 larsw             that's why I like to do all my koha testing in a nicely isolated virtual machine, with a mysql running inside the vm
03:51 chris             been there, done that
03:50 chris             *nod*
03:50 chris_n           and it's a pain to stop and restore
03:50 * chris_n         has had the unpleasant experience of forgetting to change the db before switching to some koha-hack branch and screwing up his db
03:50 chris             peer programming via irc :)
03:49 chris             *nod*
03:49 chris_n           the hook could just be a shell script calling the perl script that way
03:49 chris_n           yeah, hadn't thought of that
03:49 chris             but it could then change the file as kohauser
03:48 chris             you'd get prompted for your password
03:48 chris             your hook could be sudo -u kohauser do_stuff
03:48 chris_n           but git runs under the logged in user
03:47 chris_n           kohauser owns koha-conf.xml
03:47 chris_n           but on a development install that might not be as important
03:47 chris_n           it requires a bit of hackary atm on the ownership of koha-conf.xml
03:46 chris             that would be good on the wiki, in the tips and tricks section
03:46 chris             ohh good idea
03:46 chris_n           wrote a git post-checkout hook to auto-change the db name in my koha-conf.xml based on the branch I just checked out
03:45 chris             whatcha do chris_n ?
03:45 chris_n           awesome... it actually works
03:45 wasabi            "As the demand for real wasabi is very high, Japan has to import a large amount of it from Mainland China, Ali Mountain of Taiwan, and New Zealand."
03:42 Amit              ah!
03:42 wasabi            wasabi is made from a very special plant
03:41 wasabi            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasabi
03:41 Amit              yup Maggi sauce
03:41 wasabi            hot-sauce from japan
03:41 Amit              wasabi means
03:41 Amit              yup
03:41 wasabi            mason = wasabi :)
03:40 Amit              heya Mason
03:40 Amit              heya wasbai
03:40 wasabi            heya amit
03:39 munin             Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 22.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 20.0�C.
03:39 Amit              @weather Bangalore
03:38 munin             Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 26.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa.
03:38 Amit              @weather Dehradun
03:38 munin             Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 27.0�C (8:30 AM IST on June 09, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady).
03:38 Amit              @weather New Delhi
03:30 Amit              heya chris_n
03:29 chris_n           hi Amit
03:20 chris             hi Amit
03:19 Amit              #morning koha
03:19 Amit              heya chris
03:02 * chris_n         works on a post-checkout hook to change the Koha db
02:19 chris_n           bummer
02:12 * chilts          has just figured out that he is allergic to caffeine :)
02:08 chris_n           http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/our-new-search-index-caffeine.html
02:08 chris_n           google on caffeine... interesting thought
02:03 chilts            ah wait, git gc doesn't clear them up :)
02:02 chilts            I think they get cleaned eventually anyway
02:02 chilts            git gc (garbage collect) will clear those - but they're ok if you leave them around
02:01 chris_n           git woes mason?
01:56 wasabi            yep, looks like dangling stuff is a warning, not error
01:48 chilts            't referenced by any branch or tag
01:48 chilts            that just means a commit isn
01:48 wasabi            googles...
01:47 wasabi            dangling blob 0c01258038c4815a4fc8685577e177a65606978f
01:47 wasabi            got lots of these now, from git fsck...
01:47 chilts            you could add the old dir as a remote and pull stuff, but that's getting a bit more confusing :)
01:45 wasabi            ... i might loose my merge work  :/
01:45 wasabi            just working my way thru a big commit now, on a fresh-cloned repo...
01:43 wasabi            yep, if need be
01:34 chilts            can you reclone and see what happens?
01:33 wasabi            im getting abunch of errors on a recently cloned repo
01:33 chilts            not quite that far - 1:
01:32 wasabi            random Q: anyone run  git-core version  1: ?
01:04 pianohackr|work   bbl
00:37 wasabi            error: switch `m' expects a numerical value
00:37 wasabi            nope... :/
00:35 wasabi            is the parent-number a SHA string?
00:35 wasabi            -m parent-number, --mainline parent-number
00:35 wasabi            anyone use 'git-cherry-pick -m ' much?
00:15 SelfishMan        So this koha thing is still going huh? :)
00:15 SelfishMan        oh hai thar