IRC log for #koha, 2010-03-12

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01:34 ebegin @wunder montreal, quebec
01:34 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 6.0�C (8:00 PM EST on March 11, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
01:34 ebegin @weather montreal, quebec
01:34 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 6.0�C (8:00 PM EST on March 11, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: 3.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising).
01:41 richard aye carumba, not so warm
01:42 richard @weather wellington, new zealand
01:42 munin richard: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0�C (2:00 PM NZDT on March 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Falling).
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03:28 Amit_G hi all
03:34 brendan heya Amit_G
03:36 Amit_G hi brendan
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03:53 wajasu i got my holdings in my 952 fields.  got multiple items added to each marc record for my bulk import.
03:53 wajasu now i wonder what the standard is for setting copy number.
03:53 wajasu do i put a $t1 in my 952 for the first item?
03:54 wajasu do i start my second item withh $t2 or $t1?
03:55 wajasu i'm thinking that setting $t for the first item is superfluous, and maybe industry practice starts with 1 for the second item.
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03:56 wajasu any cataloguers who would know?
04:03 wajasu another question. if my marc record has n items, does koha maintain the 008/17-19 accordinlgy?
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07:13 Ropuch Morning #koha
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07:52 magnus good morning, #koha
07:57 Ropuch Hi magnus
07:57 magnus hiya Ropuch
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09:57 hdl_laptop hi juan-xercode
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12:50 jwagner Good morning all.
12:50 cait guten morgen jwagner :)
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13:03 magnus god dag jwagner
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13:06 jwagner And to you, magnus...
13:06 jwagner And cait
13:06 magnus thanx!
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13:07 jdavidb @quote random
13:07 munin jdavidb: Quote #40: "<tomascohen> hi everyone, just wanted to say I'm happy i managed to bypass the firewall to be with you *** tomascohen quit (Remote host closed the connection)" (added by ricardo at 11:05 AM, October 08, 2009)
13:07 jdavidb lol
13:08 cait and hi jdavidb
13:08 jdavidb Hi, cait.  :D
13:11 cait @wunder konstanz
13:11 munin cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0�C (2:00 PM CET on March 12, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -5.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
13:11 cait @wunder leipzig, germany
13:11 munin cait: The current temperature in Leipzig Schkeuditz, Germany is 5.0�C (1:50 PM CET on March 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling).
13:12 jdavidb @wunder 20817
13:12 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 10.1�C (8:11 AM EST on March 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Steady). Flood Watch in effect through Saturday evening...
13:12 cait oh
13:12 jdavidb Much warmer than we have been, but kinda damp & gray here.
13:13 * jdavidb likes slow, soaking rain like we got overnight, and are getting patches of now.
13:14 * jwagner doesn't like it. At least my joints don't :-(
13:29 magnus README.robots says: "If you have installed Koha to /usr/local/koha3 then [robots.txt] would be placed in the directory /usr/local/koha3/opac/htdocs/". Where would that be on a dev install?
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13:37 jdavidb koha-tmpl, or one of its' subdirectories, surely, magnus.  I'd suggest dropping it in koha-tmpl, then try to get it from the opac and staff URLs:    If you get it, then that's where it goes.  ;-)
13:38 collum @wunder 41011
13:38 munin collum: The current temperature in Newport Aquarium, Newport, Kentucky is 8.2�C (8:35 AM EST on March 12, 2010). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.69 in 1005.3 hPa (Falling).
13:38 jdavidb If you get a 404, then try the intranet-tmpl and/or opac-tmpl dirs.
13:39 magnus nope, koha-tmpl did the trick, thanks.
13:39 jdavidb You betcha.  Glad I could help.
13:40 magnus only trouble is: that will apply to all sites running off that codebase
13:40 magnus not a problem for me at the moment, i just need to remember it for the future... ;-)
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13:54 jdavidb mornin', schuster.
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14:21 jdavidb @quote random
14:21 munin jdavidb: Quote #46: "<brendan> tip - don't pet a burning dog" (added by chris_n at 11:08 PM, November 13, 2009)
14:22 schuster morning...  I'm having a thoughtful morning(thinking not being nice to others) kind of morning.
14:23 schuster For those that have been around Koha for awhile there was a time in which gutenberg materials were linked somehow into the catalog...  was that useful or not?
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14:49 gmcharlt @quote random
14:49 munin gmcharlt: Quote #68: "gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to rename Cataloging 101 to Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" (added by wizzyrea_laptop at 03:17 PM, March 10, 2010)
14:51 jwagner Can someone confirm my theory?  In the OPAC title display, in the item holdings list, if something shows in the URL column, it's deriving that from biblioitems.url?
14:57 jwagner Looking at the code, I guess not -- seems to be coming from the item data, the URI field.
14:59 paul_p hello world.
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15:06 jwagner hello paul_p
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15:16 jdavidb Hi, paul_p! :D
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15:34 wajasu i have a cataloguer question. about whether a second copy of a book should have a holdings entry of 952$t2 or $t1?
15:34 gmcharlt wajasu: $t2 is customary
15:34 gmcharlt only libraries run by programmers call the first copy number 0 ;)
15:35 wajasu so i should i put $t1 in the first book's 952 then as well?
15:35 SJeffery Is anyone aware of any archives using Koha other than the Hawaii state archives? I am curious how it ends up looking when you have the multi-level description common to archives.
15:35 gmcharlt optional to do that, but a good idea
15:35 wajasu it'll look better on the display
15:36 wajasu i printed a spline.  it puts the copy on the bottom.  is it customary to put c.1? just like volumes have v.1?  is so would i just need to change my template?
15:37 gmcharlt yep, c.1 is customary, and you'd have to change your template
15:38 SJeffery Customary but not all libraries print copy numbers, mine does not
15:42 wajasu another question. if my marc record has n items, does koha maintain the 008/17-19 accordinlgy?  should it? or should i in the program I wrote that transforms my legacy software to MARC21 records?
15:42 wajasu i.e. total copies?
15:45 wajasu should multivolume books (i.e. v.1, v.2 on the end of callnumbers, end up as distinct biblios, or different items in the same biblio with the v.# in it's $o ? (is so, should 090ab not contain the v.# info)?
15:53 SJeffery (since nobody else is responding), the answer to your volume # question depends on local practice from my undrestanding
15:59 hdl_laptop hi all
15:59 SJeffery Mornin
16:06 SJeffery So...anyone with any ideas about archives using Koha?
16:06 jwagner SJeffery, not sure what you mean by archives & needs.
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16:09 jdavidb Howdy, Brendan! :)
16:09 brendan morning jdavidb
16:11 SJeffery Archives normally describe/catalog their records a tad differently than regular libraries. They might create a separate record for each box, each file, or each collection
16:12 SJeffery I'm curious if anyone has done that from Koha. The only archives I have found using it is the Hawaii State Archives, and it does not look like they describe that way.
16:14 cait SJeffery: I think what you look for is linking between titles? we have that in our data, but its not visible yet
16:14 cait SJeffery: we need to change the xslt files - but I have had no time for this yet
16:15 jdavidb SJeffery: Koha is pretty solidly MARC-centric; MODS/METS records would be (at the least) very non-intuitive to deal with; not sure the editor could do much of anything with 'em, at this point.  But you can hack up the MARC frameworks anyway you like, and use that, maybe.
16:16 * jdavidb has a dream of a system that would allow definition, editing, import/export, indexing, and coherent display of *any* data structure expressable in XML, even totally-arbitrary ones.
16:16 SJeffery My thought is to do something like create one record for each file folder, item, or box (depending on the circumstances) and link them via series entries.
16:17 brendan it would be really interesting to adding some space in the database for storing the MODS...  and then deal with the editor later
16:17 jwagner Our nearest equivalent would be Mount Vernon/Gunston Hall -- go to and do an advanced search on manuscripts.  Anything remotely like what you're doing?  They're doing it as item types & collection codes.  The collection is still building, so there isn't much in the system yet.
16:17 cait you can link titles with $0 subfields in MARC21
16:17 gmcharlt brendan: storing and indexing MODS is the *easy* part, relatively speaking
16:17 jwagner In some cases they're using manuscript dates or maybe box number as the call number.
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16:18 brendan agreed gmcharlt
16:18 SJeffery Right now I work for a company that has regular books in LC, a large collection of technical articles each with their own record using a proprietary call numbering system, and a large archives collection. Seems like shoehorning the archives into Koha is the best bet.
16:19 SJeffery Describing at the collection level is very straightforward in MARC, it is the folder-level that is the nightmare I think.
16:20 SJeffery Not sure how to link each folder to the parent (collection) record though.
16:21 gmcharlt SJeffery: 773s and some hackery to mark a record as a 'folder' type
16:23 SJeffery What would be involved in that? Thinking of bringing in someone else to manage that kind of change.
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16:31 paul_p jwagner++
16:31 paul_p (for[…]_bug.cgi?id=4239)
16:31 munin Bug 4239: enhancement, P5, ---,, ASSIGNED, Allow holds on multiple items of selected titles
16:31 paul_p exactly what we need for a customer !!!
16:33 SJeffery gmcharlt: Any idea on the extent of modifications required? Would it be something to sponsor or a local-only thing?
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16:35 gmcharlt SJeffery: some bits would definitely be of general interest - an easy mechanism to travel from bib to bib in the OPAC over 7xx links would be useful in a number of situations
16:35 gmcharlt that would be fairly easy and quick to do
16:36 gmcharlt some UI work to make it easy to link records together in the cataloging editor would be good (so that catalogers don't have to try to remember record IDs when establishing links) as well
16:36 gmcharlt but that woudl be secondary, depending on how involved you want to get
16:38 sekjal this sounds like the bib linker I've been thinking about
16:38 sekjal a method for linking any two bibliographic records with user-configurable relationships
16:39 sekjal some of which would fit well into MARC 7XXs, but other FRBR relationships could be defined, as well
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16:39 jwagner paul_p, thanks. That one should be about ready to go -- do you need it in a hurry?
16:39 paul_p jwagner: nope
16:40 jwagner We're waddling, er, working as fast as we can on getting the code ready to release.
16:40 * jwagner keeps getting deeper and deeper into the swamp :-(
16:45 jwagner Does someone have an OPAC handy that's using Amazon content, specifically reviews?  I'm trying to figure out if there's a problem with a site not getting any reviews, or just not getting very many & thus haven't found any yet.  Would like to doublecheck some titles elsewhere.
16:46 cait perhaps, let me check
16:47 cait
16:47 cait jwagner: https://seminar-stuttgart.bsz-[…]iblionumber=10103
16:49 cait hm, its a library for teachers, so mostly German school books... which are probably not the titles you want to double check
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16:50 cait :(
16:50 jwagner cait, no I'm not finding any overlap on my sample titles.  Anyone else?  A U.S. public library, maybe?
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16:52 schuster I believe nekls is using Amazon.
16:52 cait jwagner: I m at home (supposed to learn for my distance study), so no access to the staff interface to load one of your titles, perhaps somebody else can help
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16:54 wizzyrea_ we are using amazon
16:54 jwagner wizzyrea_, what's your OPAC URL?
16:54 wizzyrea_ oh, but we don't have reviews yet
16:54 SJeffery gmcharlt: So would the easiest thing to do be simply to include all work-work (bib-bib) relationships from FRBR over 7xx links?
16:54 wizzyrea_ sorry still reading back
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16:55 wizzyrea
16:55 gmcharlt SJeffery: bib-bib relationships, anyway - I'm not sure that bib-to-bib links is necessarily the ideal way to encoding all FRBR relationships
16:55 jwagner wizzyrea, does reviews require extra config/syspref setup?
16:56 jwagner The reviews syspref is turned on.
16:56 wizzyrea yep, it requires amazon secret key, which we currently have no syspref to put our number for that in
16:57 wizzyrea (we are too far behind on our code)
16:57 jwagner Is that the AWSAccessKeyID?  That's filled in on this system, but AmazonAssocTag is not.  Dunno if that makes a difference
16:57 wizzyrea (one of the things amazon changed a few months back was how that worked)
16:57 wizzyrea no, it's the AWSSecretKey or something
16:57 wizzyrea sec, it's in 3.2
16:58 owen As far as I know AmazonAssocTag is only required if you want a cut of Amazon sales done via your library's catalog links
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16:59 jwagner Aha.  Looking at a 3.2 system, there's a new syspref named AWSPrivateKey.  That's probably what's missing here.
16:59 wizzyrea yep
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17:05 SJeffery So what would go into getting someone to create the bib-bib links and integrating it into the codebase? Just contact say PTFS and see what they would charge?
17:05 wizzyrea must be a bad bib on the keyword moon
17:05 wizzyrea lol mt
17:06 jwagner SJeffery, I'm sure we'd be willing to help :-)
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17:07 SJeffery Now if only I could ever get someone from PTFS to actually answer their phones:)
17:07 jwagner Hey!  We answer lots of phones.  Also emails!
17:07 gmcharlt SJeffery: to say nothing of contacting other vendors and independent programmers for pricing as well ;)
17:07 * jwagner wasn't going to mention that option :-) All's fair in love & development, right?
17:08 sekjal SJeffery: one of the great things about an open source ILS: you get shop around for services
17:09 SJeffery Yeah, it is (sorta) great. We were also looking for someone to migrate us from an opac called STAR, but nobody but us seems to have so much as heard of it:P
17:09 SJeffery Perhaps I could just start a bidding war here:D
17:10 jwagner Can you get MARC records out of STAR?
17:11 SJeffery Not from the public interface. The vendor provides zero documentation for the back-end that you have to telnet into. The only alternative we are aware of is to have the vendor upgrade us to the new version (at a price) that allows export, export it, then drop the product.
17:12 SJeffery By public I mean the front end and the back end vs the super secret back end you telnet into.
17:12 sekjal SJeffery: sounds like a fun challenge
17:13 sekjal idea for a way for folks to request quotes from registered support companies.  Submit one form, get emails/calls from multiple companies
17:13 SJeffery I tihnk you forgot the "'s around the word fun.
17:14 wizzyrea sekjal: a good idea, but I don't relish the idea of keeping that contact list up to date
17:14 wizzyrea you think there's controversy NOW around how vendors are handled on the site
17:14 * wizzyrea shudders
17:15 sekjal wizzyrea: yeah, that would be difficult.  there'd have to be a ton of metadata about the vendors, the services they offer, their geographic area of operation, etc.
17:15 sekjal but if we made it the responsibility of the companies to keep their info up to date, then it would be in their best interest to keep it accurate
17:15 wizzyrea most of which the solution I'm contemplating would handle. I think what I'd rather do is have each vendor link to their contact page
17:17 wizzyrea which leads us back to the place where "boy it would be nice to have an "idea bucket" where people put their ideas in and developers can pick up the ones they want to quote on"
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17:17 wizzyrea which I thought we were going to use bugzilla for
17:17 wizzyrea but can't seem to get any traction ther
17:17 wizzyrea there
17:17 sekjal I think bugzilla is a) kind of intimidating for some and b) implies it only deals with 'bugs', not enhancement requests
17:18 gmcharlt and nobody believes us developers when we say that a bug can be an enhancement request ;(
17:18 SJeffery Bugzilla is the devil. I would take Mantis or something else any day of the week.
17:18 wizzyrea I personally think that we should at the very least pretty up our bugzilla :P
17:19 gmcharlt wizzyrea: will be easier to do that once Catalyst is ready to host it
17:19 * wizzyrea would help out with that, once it's ready
17:19 SJeffery That's like putting shiny red paint on a volkswagon and calling it a BMW.
17:19 wizzyrea (I did say at the very least)
17:19 * wizzyrea drives a volkswagen
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17:20 wizzyrea part of me says "just learn to use bugzilla" and the other part realizes it's incredibly intimidating for newcomers to the community/librarians
17:21 wizzyrea I do think the enhancements need to be split out. Maybe we can define a policy on suggesting great ideas, and make it formal on the website
17:22 wizzyrea maybe even a *gasp* form to fill out
17:22 owen split them out so that people can browse them separately?
17:22 sekjal wizzyrea: that would make it easier for folks to participate
17:22 SJeffery That would be nice.
17:22 wizzyrea can you have multiple bug input forms in bugzilla?
17:22 sekjal but, of course, would require work (like everything)
17:22 wizzyrea well yea
17:23 wizzyrea I like working on koha web stuff :P
17:23 SJeffery If we are going to sponsor some development it would be rather nice to be able to easily check that nobody else is already doing it or has similar ideas.
17:23 wizzyrea heh
17:23 wizzyrea that is always the problem with koha
17:23 wizzyrea sometimes the vendors don't want anyone else to know what they are working on
17:24 SJeffery Well if other people are interested in sponsoring relationship linking, seems like it might be a good idea to get together. *shrug*
17:24 wizzyrea yeppers, definitely
17:24 SJeffery But I have long since learned that logic and reason have no relationship with business.
17:24 wizzyrea i'm not trying to be negative, I've been thinking about this problem since we started using koha 2 years ago
17:24 wizzyrea which tells you how far I've gotten with it, lol
17:25 wizzyrea always end up running myself in a circle
17:25 wizzyrea maybe I'll try running in a square next time
17:25 sekjal hexagon
17:26 wizzyrea Okk tah don, as my son would say
17:26 * jdavidb pictures wizzy running around Logan Circle endlessly, then realizing the futility and moving to McPherson Square...
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17:26 * wizzyrea giggles
17:26 gmcharlt part of the equation is that somebody making a proposal does have to actual work - not necessarily to fight with Bugzilla or whatever software is being used, but to check for duplicates, finding collaborators or cosponsors if necessary, and so forth
17:27 wizzyrea yea, I'll give an example
17:27 wizzyrea we wanted a "bib maintenance package" that included merging of bibs, bulk change/delete of items, and several other things
17:28 gmcharlt sure, sometimes a developer will pick up and implement a feature request just for fun, but if you want to ensure that it gets done on any particular schedule, elbow grease, persuasion, or money will help move it forward
17:28 wizzyrea we got together with another system in our state to collab, but we didn't know that someone was already working on half of that problem
17:29 wizzyrea when we found out our duplicate effort, it was much harder to get momentum to push forth the rest of the package
17:29 wizzyrea because suddenly the attitude was "well someone's probably already working on that" but we could never prove it
17:29 wizzyrea so it kind of languished.
17:30 wizzyrea (that, and other issues I can't talk about)
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17:31 wizzyrea anyway, I feel your paint
17:31 wizzyrea pain
17:31 owen Get your hands off my paint!
17:31 * owen hoards his paint
17:31 * wizzyrea touches owen's paint *touchy touchy*
17:32 brendan owen, thanks had to laugh at the one :)
17:32 owen Just wait till I come over there and put fingerprints on your monitor :P
17:32 cait :)
17:33 wizzyrea I think you should probably be more concerned about my paint covered feelers all over your stuff
17:33 wizzyrea paint fingerprints > regular fingerprints ;)
17:35 * gmcharlt hands the children some puppies and espressos
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17:39 wizzyrea lol
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17:40 * jwagner thinks the term "sandbox" may take on a whole new meaning today.
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17:58 schuster Sandbox has gained a bad rap at the Schuster house - evidently our rescue westie we got last christmas would only go on concrete or in the sandbox so we no longer have a sandbox the boys can play in...
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18:11 brendan heh :(
18:11 brendan @weather 93117
18:11 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 13.9�C (9:50 AM PST on March 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Rising).
18:12 jwagner @wunder 20817
18:12 munin jwagner: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 9.8�C (1:11 PM EST on March 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Steady). Flood Watch in effect through Saturday evening...
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18:14 brendan geeze jwagner has big snowstorms and floods
18:15 jdavidb ...and plagues of locusts...I mean, *politicians*, too.
18:18 jwagner but at least the snowstorms and the floods aren't completely simultaneous...
18:28 jwagner owen and anyone else -- got a request from a client to add a search by shelving location to the OPAC advanced search page (similar to the item type setup).  Would that be of general use?
18:28 jwagner i.e., should I plan on submitting it when done?
18:30 gmcharlt jwagner: I woudl think it would be of general interest
18:33 jwagner OK, I'll see how it works out.
18:37 * owen agrees
18:37 owen ...even though we don't use shelving location.
18:38 * owen wishes we could
18:38 jwagner I'm thinking maybe have it as one of the "more options" set
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18:55 jwagner @quote random
18:55 munin jwagner: Quote #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.... eventually, ye shall stop asking." (added by gmcharlt at 04:31 PM, July 09, 2009)
18:58 jdavidb lol
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19:29 jwagner Am heading out now -- happy weekend everyone.
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20:57 chris_n had all the fun possible for a Friday... ttyl #koha
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22:47 brendan @weather 93117
22:47 munin brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 17.2�C (2:30 PM PST on March 12, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Falling).
22:47 ebegin brendan, i wish i was in california... :)
22:47 ebegin @weather montreal, quebec
22:47 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 8.0�C (5:00 PM EST on March 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
22:48 brendan ebegin - come you're welcome whenever :)
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22:48 ebegin I use to go a few times a year.  I have a friend living in Newport Beach
22:49 rhcl @weather bangkok, thailand
22:49 munin rhcl: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
22:49 rhcl uh oh, am I in trouble?
22:50 ebegin rhcl: Weather for Bangkok, Thailand
22:50 ebegin 27°C | °F
22:50 ebegin Wind: SE at 8 km/h
22:50 ebegin Humidity: 84%
22:50 * gmcharlt blinks - when did munin move to Canada? ;)
22:51 ebegin :)
22:51 ebegin don't expect and answer everytime munin doesn't answer though :)
22:52 gmcharlt @wuner bangkok
22:52 munin gmcharlt: Error: "wuner" is not a valid command.
22:52 gmcharlt @wunder bangkok
22:52 munin gmcharlt: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
22:52 gmcharlt @wunder 32605
22:52 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in FoxFire Woods, Gainesville, Florida is 19.2�C (5:30 PM EST on March 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 17.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Falling).
22:52 rhcl good, now gmcharlt is in trouble too
22:52 gmcharlt the bot had better not go after me - I can kill -9 it ;)
22:52 rhcl @weather pattaya, thailand
22:52 munin rhcl: The current temperature in Bangkok (Suvarnabhumi), Thailand is 28.0�C (5:30 AM ICT on March 13, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 23.0�C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady).
22:52 rhcl well
22:53 ebegin rhcl, are you in Thailand?
22:53 rhcl In spirit
22:53 ebegin lol
22:53 Genji @weather palmerston north, new zealand
22:53 munin Genji: The current temperature in Palmerston North Aws, New Zealand is 11.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on March 13, 2010). Conditions: . Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising).
22:53 Genji Yup.... thats about right.
22:54 rhcl I suppose there's probably not a day that I don't wake up and have at least a transient thought that I wish I was in Thailand.
22:56 ebegin rhcl, where are you, i mean, physically? :)
22:56 rhcl St. Joseph, Missouri, USA
22:57 ebegin @weather St. Joseph, Missouri, USA
22:57 munin ebegin: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
22:57 ebegin haha
22:57 rhcl Yea, that's about right. :)
22:57 ebegin @weather montreal, quebec
22:57 munin ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 8.0�C (5:00 PM EST on March 12, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
22:57 rhcl @wunder 64505
22:58 munin rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 6.1�C (4:57 PM CST on March 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising).
22:58 ebegin @weather St. Joseph, Missouri
22:58 munin ebegin: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 6.1�C (4:57 PM CST on March 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Rising).
22:58 ebegin @weather St. Joseph, Missouri, USA
22:58 munin ebegin: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
22:58 ebegin weird
22:58 ebegin @weather St. Joseph, Missouri, United states of america
22:58 munin ebegin: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
22:58 ebegin @weather St. Joseph, Missouri, US
22:58 munin ebegin: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
22:58 ebegin @weather St. Joseph, Missouri, canad
22:58 ebegin @weather St. Joseph, Missouri, canada
22:58 munin ebegin: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
22:58 munin ebegin: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error
22:59 ebegin who knows... :)
22:59 ebegin ok.  I quit spamming people
22:59 gmcharlt Missouri, Canada?  I guess the invasion has begun ;)
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23:00 ebegin hehe... after our gold medal in the Men and Woman Olympics's hockey, we need new challenges :)
23:01 ebegin s/woman/women
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23:09 brendan later all -- have a good weekend
23:09 brendan :)
23:14 rhcl bye
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23:24 Genji hiyaall
23:24 Genji bug: when the cataloger do a new record which contains more than one author he put the first author in field #100 , and the rest of the authors in 700 (it is a repeatable field) then save the record. Later on another  cataloger will go over new records to make sure that all the data have been entered correctly and there are nothing missing. If the other cataloger changes anything in the record and save it, the content of the fields 700 get r
23:24 Genji any ideas?
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23:30 Genji is it  this bug?[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2265
23:30 munin Bug 2265: blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---,, RESOLVED FIXED, Problem (bloquing) in MARC editor, duplicated fields
23:33 Genji where was this patch saved to?
23:35 rhcl Gengi - not many people on here right now, and I think you've posted this here a couple of times, right? Have you tried sending to the email list?
23:36 Genji huh.. suppose i should..
23:36 rhcl Might get a better response there.
23:37 rhcl later...
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