IRC log for #koha, 2010-01-20

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00:24 chris_n2 @wunder 28334
00:24 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 9.6�C (7:18 PM EST on January 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1000.9 hPa (Falling).
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01:13 chris owen++
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02:10 chris_n2 owen++
02:55 chris git log --decorate --graph --oneline
03:00 chris_n2 fatal: unrecognized argument: --oneline
03:01 chris ahh old version of git
03:01 chris_n2 git version
03:02 chris --pretty=oneline
03:03 chris_n2 that works
03:04 chris_n2 --oneline works in git version
03:04 chris_n2 neat
03:04 chris yeah handy
03:04 chris_n2 did you learn that at a seminar today?
03:04 chris at a git wrangling one right now
03:05 chris by scott chacon (who is a guru)
03:05 chris_n2 cool
03:05 chris talking about rebasing now
03:06 chris and affirming that koha does it the right way
03:06 chris so thats nice
03:06 chris (ie we should rebase before sending patches)
03:07 chris_n2 nice to know that
03:11 chris wow, you can do some scarily powerful stuff
03:17 * chris_n2 grips the edge of his seat with excitement :-)
03:20 chris looking at all the different merge tools
03:21 chris now we are talking about gitattributes
03:22 chris how you can use it to diff binary files
03:22 chris_n2 that's one session I'd love to be at
03:22 chris its all being recorded
03:23 chris ill post to the devel list when it is put up somewhere
03:23 chris its one you want to be able to pause
03:23 chris_n2 great
03:23 chris so you can try things
03:32 chris
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03:34 Jo Hi all. Is anyone able to help me find out the date and tme of the Koha community meeting please. I know its early Feb but can't find it on and struggling a abit wuith irc logs
03:35 chris the next one?
03:36 chris[…]etingnotes10feb02
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03:36 chris ok, gotta go offline for a bit
03:36 Amit hi chris
03:36 Amit good morning #koha
03:37 Jo hiya AMit
03:37 Amit heya Jo
03:37 Jo thankjs Chris
03:44 chris_n2 hey Amit
03:45 Topic for #koha is now Discussion channel for the Koha ILS | Newsletter #1 Released: | IRC meeting: Tuesday, 2 February 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0
03:45 Amit heya Chris_n2
03:45 Amit @wunder New Delhi
03:45 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 8.0�C (8:30 AM IST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady).
03:45 chris_n2 @wunder 28334
03:45 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 8.6�C (10:42 PM EST on January 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Falling).
03:46 chris_n2 humid in New Delhi today
03:46 chris_n2 raining maybe?
04:01 Jo @wunder Wellington
04:01 munin Jo: Error: No such location could be found.
04:06 Topic for #koha is now Next Community meeting 2nd Feb 2010 at 1900 UTC
04:07 Amit @wunder Dehradun india
04:07 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 6.0�C (8:30 AM IST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa.
04:07 Amit @wunder Bangalore
04:07 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 19.0�C (8:30 AM IST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 16.0�C.
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04:35 chris_n2 g'night #koha
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06:16 Amit heya richard
06:16 richard hiya Amit
06:16 richard how's things going?
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07:06 Ropuch Morning #koha
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07:24 imp moin
07:25 Amit heya nicomo, Ropuch, imp
07:26 nicomo hi Amit
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09:51 magnus jo++ # http://library-matters.blogspo[…]-my-universe.html
10:04 chris its a great blog post
10:04 * chris has just got back from drinking with some git developers
10:04 chris so may be incoherent
10:06 masonj heya
10:06 masonj i just got back from band-practice...
10:09 chris cool :) you were mentioned in the blog post
10:09 masonj hi Amit too , happy new year
10:11 paul_p hello masonj, magnus, chris & al
10:12 masonj hiya paul
10:12 magnus hello paul_p et al
10:12 masonj and magnus :)
10:12 magnus and masonj
10:13 chris heya paul_p
10:13 chris paul_p: try git log --decorate --graph --oneline
10:14 magnus nice
10:18 chris one of the tips i learnt today
10:19 chris more at
10:23 masonj nice pdf layout and graphics
10:24 chris yeah was a good talk, from someone who really knows there stuff
10:24 chris their too
10:28 Amit hi masonj happy new year to you too
10:38 hdl_laptop happy new year Amit
10:51 chilts yeah, gonna alias 'git tree' to 'git log --decorate --graph --pretty=oneline' (I have v1.6.0.4 unfortunately, --pretty=oneline === --oneline)
10:52 Amit hi hdl_laptop same to u
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13:21 chris_n g'morning
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13:24 * jwagner makes an indistinct mumble resembling "good morning"
13:29 hdl_laptop good morning
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13:41 oceb morning
13:44 owen Hi oceb
13:49 oceb hi owen
13:51 oceb do you know why advanced search with Date of publication, distribution (260c) isn't workin on opac?
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13:51 owen oceb: Does it return no results, or incorrect results?
13:51 oceb never return results =/
13:52 owen oceb: What version of Koha?
13:52 oceb 3.0.5
13:57 owen Are you referring to the "publication date range" option?
13:58 oceb exactly! :D
13:59 oceb when i put a date p.e. "1998" or "-2009" or "1997-" it doesn't return results
13:59 oceb but without a date, it returns...
13:59 owen I assume other searches are working okay?
13:59 oceb yeah
14:00 owen Maybe someone else here can verify: Does the publication date search work by looking at 008?
14:01 oceb uhmmm
14:01 oceb how i can do a date search on 008 ?
14:02 owen oceb: I thought the publication date range search *did* search on the date in 008, but I'm hoping someone else here can tell me if that's correct
14:03 oceb =O
14:04 oceb I thought that search was on the field 260c
14:06 owen 260c can contain non-numeric data, so you can't ask a computer to do numeric comparisons on it without attempting to sanitize it.
14:06 owen I thought the pub date search worked with 008 because of that.
14:08 schuster I can't verify but from my experience with Bib dates so far depending I suspect it is coming from the biblio.copyrightdate or biblioitems, but I'm not sure
14:08 oceb =o
14:08 oceb omg
14:08 schuster where that is being derived from and scrubbed to a single number.  I have not compared that, but will take a look.
14:09 oceb i think 99% of my books doesn't have a date in 008 >.<
14:09 oceb i'll test one, im putting a date on a book and now im reindexing
14:19 oceb omg
14:19 oceb it works!
14:19 oceb thanks owen :)
14:20 oceb now i need to put all dates from 260c to 008 =(
14:22 owen oceb: sounds like a job for a Perl guru
14:24 * owen thinks we had to do the same thing at one point, but it wasn't me that did it
14:24 schuster so it is pulling the date from the 008 - do you know is that how it got the information for the biblio.copyrightdate as well?
14:26 * chris_n heads off to fix a naughty win32 box
14:26 schuster shame on that box... ;)
14:27 schuster Owen - I want to thank you again for your help last week..  I'm really excited about the possibilities, now I just have to do something with it!
14:27 owen Sure thing schuster, I know you'd asked me about it before and I'm glad you pestered me about it
14:27 Ropuch Hm, I need to fix 008 with dates from 260c too
14:28 Ropuch This means some perl exercisies ;>
14:32 jwagner owen, you're talking about the 008 positions 7-10 for the pubyear, correct?
14:32 owen Yes
14:32 jwagner Thanks.  I have a site that's getting data converted by Marcive right now -- a timely reminder to send them to make sure that's getting filled in.
14:38 oceb wow
14:38 oceb not everithing is perl :)
14:39 oceb here in my library we have some code written in php to modifiy both marc and marcxml
14:40 oceb but I am learning Perl little by little with koha :D
14:49 hdl_laptop oceb: :'(
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14:49 hdl_laptop learning PERL with koha is a hard school
14:50 schuster MarcEdit again might be able to help in that job...  I know I've used it's find x and place it in y feature several times.  Don't know how it would work on a leader/008 field.
14:51 chris_n bye chris_n2
14:51 hdl_laptop schuster++
14:51 schuster Question to the list - has anyone else seen this?  - would it still work?
14:52 oceb hdl_laptop : yeah.... when i come here, i have no idea of what is perl :S
14:54 oceb perl is... powerfull but... some complicated to beginners :D Php is friendly with beginners :) Anyway im happy with koha and my newbie-knowledge of perl
14:56 schuster interesting regarding the 008 - biblios.copyrightdate comes from the 260c though in the database NOT the 008.
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14:56 schuster I just ran a test.
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15:06 schuster chris - just went through the git presentation - it is powerful - glad you understand it!!!
15:07 owen That's what I like about git: I can get stuff done with it, and people smarter than me can do magic with it.
15:07 schuster magic - kinda like owen the wizard with css ;)
15:08 schuster I just did some further testing and biblios.copyrightdate - scrubs everything except the first set of numbers. ie 2010, [p2009] in copyrightdate shows 2010, with [p2009], 2010 shows 2009...
15:10 schuster When searching what is displayed on the bib screen is the copyrightdate field so in the example above 2010, then 2009 not the full MARC representation.
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15:36 schuster ok new question for the techies.  I may also post it to the koha-devel list for responses.  I have 53,000 pictures of students on a remote server.
15:37 schuster I tried to scp them in, but guess what there are limitations, so I'm thinking of setting up a cron job to setup the fileshare on the windows box, and then issue a set of scp commands once a week in the middle of the night to copy them over.
15:37 schuster then at the end of the cron would be the script I have to mass add them.
15:38 schuster Thoughts suggestions?  I'm a librarian here remember that when you respond. thanks....
15:49 wizzyrea hm, why do you have to add all 53k of them every week?
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15:54 wizzyrea schuster: maybe I'm not understanding your need, you have 53k photos and you can only move X with scp, so you're thinking of moving batches of them? Or you have 53k photos that you need to add every week
15:54 wizzyrea or... something else
15:55 owen wizzyrea: Looks like he put more details into a message to koha-devel
15:56 schuster There are files put on a share for several departments to use of pictures of all the kids.  I never know when they get put there, and the dates on the files are the dates they are taken by the photographer
15:56 schuster hence the reason for loading ALL of them.
15:57 schuster If there are problems with pictures the librarian lets me know and I inform the powers that be to adjust the photo names etc... to make them match correctly.  We use the photos with the grade book program, and lunchline.
15:57 wizzyrea Ah, sorry I didn't look at my list mail
15:58 schuster sorry I was somewhat brief here in my description.
16:00 wizzyrea it's too bad it's a windows server, you could rsync
16:03 chris_n you can still rsync
16:03 chris_n[…]App/DeltaCopy.jsp
16:03 wizzyrea I didn't realize there was a windows version ^.^
16:04 wizzyrea oh sweet, had no idea, thanks chris
16:04 wizzyrea chris_n
16:04 chris_n I use it to sync my main webradio broadcast server with the warm-standby box
16:05 chris_n schuster: you can do a share if you use samba
16:05 wizzyrea are you the king of shoehorning windows in to unix shoes?
16:05 chris_n but rsync is probably the thing here
16:05 chris_n wizzyrea: I like to see windows in a vbox frame inside of my gnome interface
16:05 wizzyrea LOL
16:06 wizzyrea I frankly can't stand to look at it anymore >.>
16:07 chris_n schuster: you can setup rsync on your koha box and deltacopy on your win32 box and away you go
16:07 wizzyrea that has other benefits too, right? Like, he might not have to do all 53k?
16:07 chris_n rsync will only pickup on the file changes as well (if you like) which will reduce the load on the network after the initial replication
16:08 wizzyrea yes, that's what I was thinking of
16:08 chris_n great minds think alike they say ;-)
16:08 chris_n or at least get stuck in the same rut
16:08 wizzyrea haha
16:13 schuster Thanks chris_n AGAIN!  I'll look into this...  I don't have control of the windows box only access to pull/copy from so will have to play with it.
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16:20 mgcleveland_ Hello, I have a questions not working
16:20 mgcleveland_ the page is blank when it's loaded via the OPAC site
16:20 * chris_n shamelessly encourages a prospective Koha user to maintain their own installation of Koha
16:20 mgcleveland_ is that directed at me?
16:21 mgcleveland_ (chris_n)
16:21 wizzyrea_ erm, do you mean in the staff interface?
16:21 mgcleveland_ yep, the staff interface
16:21 chris_n mgcleveland: sorry, no :-)
16:21 mgcleveland_ (thanks for the response)
16:21 mgcleveland_ haha, no worries
16:21 chris_n but feel free to maintain your own as well :-)
16:21 mgcleveland_ haha, I'm trying!
16:22 mgcleveland_ but there's just so much perl spaghetti code!
16:22 owen mgcleveland_: What version of Koha? Does your browser display any javascript errors?
16:22 wizzyrea_ mg do you have access to your koha error log?
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16:22 mgcleveland_ yes I have access to the logs and there is no error
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16:22 mgcleveland_ (no javascript errors either)
16:23 wizzyrea what browser are you using?
16:23 mgcleveland_ firefox
16:23 mgcleveland_ here's the weird thing
16:23 mgcleveland_ I have other instances on different servers, and this page works on them
16:23 mgcleveland_ i've diffed the files and there is no difference in the files!
16:23 mgcleveland_ I assume there must be something wrong with  my config or database, but I jsut don't know where to start looking
16:25 schuster Permissions on the file?
16:25 mgcleveland_ i have root on everything
16:25 mgcleveland_ oh, sorry
16:25 mgcleveland_ good cal
16:25 mgcleveland_ l
16:25 mgcleveland_ let me check
16:25 mgcleveland_ only needs 755, right?
16:27 wizzyrea it's just blank?
16:27 wizzyrea apache errors?
16:27 mgcleveland_ I checked the apache logs, as well, but I'll do a re-check
16:28 mgcleveland_ (koha error log is blank)
16:29 mgcleveland_ apache log has no errors pertaining to my session
16:29 wizzyrea it's got to be something obvious
16:29 mgcleveland_ that's what I'm thinking
16:29 mgcleveland_ but I can't put my finger on it
16:30 mgcleveland_ like I said, I suspect some config or DB issue
16:30 wizzyrea do you have itypes defined?
16:30 wizzyrea have you been through the system preferences to set up a library?
16:30 wizzyrea 2nd being more important probably
16:30 mgcleveland_ let me see
16:31 wizzyrea (if you don't have a library, I don't think it will let you add bibs(
16:31 wizzyrea (it definitely won't let you add patrons)
16:31 mgcleveland_ (i'm a CS/programmer guy, so when it comes to the library aspects of the system I'm a little lost, but I'll try to hang :) )
16:31 wizzyrea we get that a lot :)
16:31 mgcleveland_ haha
16:31 mgcleveland_ so how can I see if a library exists?
16:32 wizzyrea more -> administration -> libraries and groups
16:32 mgcleveland_ oh yes
16:32 wizzyrea should list them
16:32 mgcleveland_ we have 7 branches listed
16:32 wizzyrea okies, not that...
16:32 mgcleveland_ with no categories set, is this important?
16:33 wizzyrea I'm taking it that you installed with the default data?
16:33 wizzyrea so you should have default categories and itypes
16:33 mgcleveland_ yes I did, but we've added data since then
16:33 mgcleveland_ I really apologize but I have a meeting in 15
16:33 wizzyrea Ah ok
16:33 wizzyrea np np
16:33 mgcleveland_ thank you so much for your help
16:33 wizzyrea we're ez
16:33 mgcleveland_ i'll be back in a few!
16:34 wizzyrea ttyl :)
16:34 wizzyrea ttyl :)
16:34 wizzyrea eerks lol
16:34 wizzyrea bad typing, bad
16:35 wizzyrea so the vendor list page is worthless now, right?
16:35 wizzyrea I mean, it lists some
16:42 schuster Evidently from the discussion yesterday...
16:42 wizzyrea well, here's my task
16:43 wizzyrea I'm supposed to come up with a list of the major players in the Koha Community
16:43 wizzyrea and their significant contributions
16:43 wizzyrea which should be easy enough
16:44 owen wizzyrea: chris and nicomo have both done work analyzing the git logs to identify the primary contributors
16:45 wizzyrea yea I'm looking at it
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16:49 wizzyrea among others
16:51 owen wizzyrea: I know PTFS Europe has applied to appear on the list (ages ago) and more recently Mill Run Technology Solutions
16:52 owen Who knows if others have applied and either gotten no response or gave up because the submission form is broken.
16:54 wizzyrea yea... mason still works at katipo?
16:56 wizzyrea chris_n who do you work for?
16:57 jwagner gmcharlt, online?
16:57 magnus libriotech should be listed, but i havn't bothered to apply yet...
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17:02 masonj wizzyrea: officially, i work for KohaAloha (my own company), but i do work as a contractor to Katipo ;)
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17:02 wizzyrea (I know, I should know this)
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17:04 chris_n @later tell wizzyrea FBC (Foundations Bible College) and contract from time to time
17:04 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded.
17:05 masonj @later tell wizzyrea officially, i work for KohaAloha (my own company), but i do work as a contractor to Katipo ;)
17:05 munin masonj: The operation succeeded.
17:05 wizzyrea_ ty ty
17:05 wizzyrea_ sry, our internets went funky
17:06 chris_n funky_internet--
17:10 gmcharlt jwagner_meeting: ?
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17:20 oceb hi brendan
17:21 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt brendan
17:21 brendan good morning
17:22 sekjal morning, brendan
17:22 owen Hi brendan
17:22 brendan must be nighttime for you hdl_laptop
17:22 hdl_laptop only 18PM
17:23 brendan @wunder 93117
17:23 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.3�C (9:16 AM PST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.58 in 1001.6 hPa (Rising). Coastal Flood Advisory in effect until 7 am PST this morning...
17:23 paul_p not 18PM, 6PM ;-)
17:23 brendan yup my office flooded this morning :(
17:24 sekjal uck, sorry brendan.  anything badly damaged?
17:24 brendan the rug, but everything else was off the ground
17:25 brendan glad that I plan for silly things like floods, in a place that only rains for a month out of the year
17:25 sekjal brendan:  definitely
17:25 sekjal I remember waking up at 4am to my apartment flooding.  Mad dash across a squishy carpet to get my CPU off the floor
17:26 moodaepo @wunder 56001
17:26 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -6.0�C (11:15 AM CST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am CST Thursday...
17:32 chris morning
17:32 owen Hi chris
17:32 chris_n heya chris
17:33 oceb how i can put my location info? D=
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17:36 * chris is trying to figure out what sessions to go to today
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17:49 masonj chris: hopefully see you at/after the keynote
17:50 schuster have a great day everyone...
17:50 schuster @wunder 75074
17:50 munin schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 18.6�C (11:45 AM CST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.00 in 981.9 hPa (Falling).
17:50 schuster I'm off to play for the afternoon!
17:51 chris sounds good masonj
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17:51 owen I'd do like schuster if I had his weather
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18:09 wizzyrea_ huh, changed from mediawiki to wordpress for their CMS.
18:18 jwagner_meeting is now known as jwagner
18:18 jwagner gmcharlt, still around?
18:18 gmcharlt jwagner: what's up?
18:19 jwagner I think I remember you saying you were going to push a bunch of patches to the current head -- has that happened?
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18:19 jwagner One of our developers wants to get the latest head with all the patches/bugfixes.
18:20 gmcharlt look for it over the weekend
18:20 jwagner OK, I'll tell him.  Thanks.
18:20 gmcharlt the dev can also take a gander at the biblibre 3.2_community branch
18:24 jwagner OK.
18:26 chris register trademarks??????
18:27 chris wizzyrea_: you might need to have a chat with your boss, i fear in order to move things along he is gonna start another set of worries
18:27 wizzyrea_ erm... I think that was a list of things that a foundation could (but KUDOS won't, necessarily)
18:27 wizzyrea_ do
18:28 wizzyrea_ don't read too much into it
18:28 wizzyrea_ he's in agreement
18:28 wizzyrea_ more along the lines of "get a move on and get it done"
18:29 chris ppl need to be more careful with words is all im saying
18:29 wizzyrea_ KUDOS doesn't have any interest that I know of to register any trademarks regarding koha
18:30 sekjal we have never mentioned trademarks at all in any of the discussions I've been in on
18:30 wizzyrea_ he's an administrator, he is simply referring to the things a foundation *can* do
18:30 wizzyrea_ and in order to do them, you must have the foundation
18:30 chris cool, now anyone who reads the irc logs knows that, but anyone who reads the mailing list could be confused into thinking KUDOS is the foundation
18:31 sekjal that's easy enough to fix... one sec
18:31 chris thanks sekjal
18:31 chris its always easier to stop arguments before they start :)
18:32 wizzyrea_ rather, a non profit 501c3 agency
18:33 Ropuch Evening #koha
18:33 chris hiya Ropuch
18:35 sekjal email sent.  time for a meeting.  bbl
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18:36 chris sekjal+++
18:36 chris sekjal++
18:36 chris even
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18:50 chris ok bus time
18:51 wizzyrea_ gl with the bus
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19:00 * chris_n takes a deep breath and presses the 'send' button
19:01 chris_n perhaps /me should have read the buffer first :-)
19:03 wizzyrea_ heh
19:04 wizzyrea_ jim's grown, he can take it, though I'm sure that he didn't actually mean it in the way it's being read
19:04 * chris_n has had that happen before too
19:05 wizzyrea_ he said the magic word "trademark"
19:05 wizzyrea_ and "foundation"
19:05 * wizzyrea_ shudders
19:05 chris_n the community is a bit sensitive atm
19:05 wizzyrea_ heh, yea
19:07 wizzyrea_ and by "sure" I know that he knows about the HLT/Official Foundation situation, more importantly comprehends the importance of that effort, and even more importantly respects that there is a need for it
19:07 wizzyrea_ and you all don't know this, but he's set up several non profit foundations in his career
19:08 wizzyrea_ *helped to set up
19:08 wizzyrea_ yea, he's my boss, but he's not a nub.
19:09 wizzyrea_ he is, and we are, committed to the principles of free software, and we have every interest in seeing Koha succeed.
19:09 wizzyrea_ there. I'm done.
19:09 wizzyrea_ :)
19:10 * chris_n applauds
19:35 * jwagner thinks true joy is not wanting to do a telecon, and finding out the other person has forgotten about it & left for the day :-)
19:35 gmcharlt jwagner++
19:36 wizzyrea_ owen: what do you think about the following screenshot, how can we make this display better
19:36 wizzyrea_
19:36 jwagner That just made my afternoon!
19:37 wizzyrea_ the items display is what I'm referring to
19:37 wizzyrea_ on bibs that have lots of items, the results list is very... icky
19:37 owen To say the least
19:37 wizzyrea_ or maybe that's fixed in more recent versions
19:37 owen Not that I know of
19:37 jwagner I'm not owen, but I think it would be better if the items list was just another line after the bib display instead of in a separate column.  That would give it a much wider table cell to run across.
19:38 chris_n @quote add jwagner thinks true joy is not wanting to do a telecon, and finding out the other person has forgotten about it & left for the day :-)
19:38 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded.  Quote #51 added.
19:38 wizzyrea_ well, it shows several things that it may not need to
19:38 jwagner chris_n, you had to do that, didn't you :-(
19:38 wizzyrea_ why does it show the call number for checked out items, for example
19:38 wizzyrea_ it's out, you're not going to find it
19:39 owen ...not that that buys you much space
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19:39 richard hi
19:40 wizzyrea_ true, but what if you 1. used the library short name instead of full name, 2. removed the call number 3. changed date due: to Due only for on loan items
19:40 jwagner wizzyrea, this is staff side, correct?  Is there any value to even showing the call numbers at this stage?  Maybe just a Library A (7 copies), Library B (2 copies) etc.
19:41 wizzyrea_ well I was wondering about that too
19:41 wizzyrea_ I think that for AVAILABLE items it doesn't hurt to show a lot of info
19:41 wizzyrea_ but for checked out or lost items... just as well to go to the bib detail
19:41 wizzyrea_ to find out the dilly
19:41 wizzyrea_ yes, thsi is the staff side
19:42 wizzyrea_ oh and you've got shelving location in there too
19:42 wizzyrea_ so axe that
19:42 wizzyrea_ so, as an example
19:42 wizzyrea_ on loan: Baldwin, Due 01/28/2010
19:43 wizzyrea_ Basehor, Due XXX
19:43 wizzyrea_ etc
19:43 wizzyrea_ 1-2 lines instead of 6
19:44 wizzyrea_ i'm more just curious if anyone else has an opinion on how it can be made better
19:44 wizzyrea_ I know it's not a priority
19:44 wizzyrea_ i'm willing to try to fix it myself, but don't want to do anything that would make people upset
19:44 wizzyrea_ fix/change
19:45 wizzyrea_ is now known as wizzyrea
19:45 owen Needs a wider discussion
19:46 mgcleveland_ wizzyrea_ you still there?
19:46 wizzyrea yep
19:46 mgcleveland_ ok I'm back
19:46 mgcleveland_ do you remember what we were talking about?
19:46 wizzyrea there are more people around now, you might go over your issue
19:46 wizzyrea again
19:46 wizzyrea for their benefit
19:46 wizzyrea but yes, I remember :)
19:46 mgcleveland_ will do
19:47 mgcleveland_ In a nutshell, my page is not working
19:47 mgcleveland_ it works on other instances of Koha I have and the files, when diffed, are identical
19:47 mgcleveland_ this leads me to believe it's a config or DB problem
19:48 * jwagner thinks "Curses, foiled again!" Others at the site called me to pick up the telecon!
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19:52 mgcleveland_ sooooooooo
19:52 mgcleveland_ any ideas?
19:52 wizzyrea we know that you have libraries, and you're sure you have item types
19:52 mgcleveland_ right, we've got branches
19:53 mgcleveland_ as for the item types, let me check
19:57 mgcleveland_ well as I said, I'm a computer person
19:57 mgcleveland_ hence the lag on figuring out the library stuff
19:59 mgcleveland_ wizzyrea, could I find that by exploring the mysql DB?
20:00 wizzyrea more -> administration -> Item Types
20:00 mgcleveland_ I == idiot
20:00 wizzyrea mine looks like this, for example
20:00 wizzyrea
20:00 mgcleveland_ yep, we've got 3
20:01 wizzyrea okies
20:01 mgcleveland_ so we've got branches and item types
20:01 wizzyrea and you've got nothing in your koha error log and nothing in your apache log, and won't come up
20:01 mgcleveland_ correct
20:01 mgcleveland_ you want to see a screenshot of addbiblio?
20:02 wizzyrea how are you getting to it, more -> cataloging -> new record?
20:02 mgcleveland_ I click on the "Add MARC" link
20:02 mgcleveland_ it's under "Cataloging"
20:03 wizzyrea ok, if you do more -> cataloging -> new record what happens?
20:03 wizzyrea this is what mine looks like:
20:03 mgcleveland_ same thing happens
20:03 mgcleveland_ also, I think we may be using different versions of Koha
20:04 mgcleveland_ let me see what mine is right quick
20:04 wizzyrea seems likely, in which case I probably can't help you
20:04 wizzyrea if you do more -> about koha what does it say in koha version
20:06 wizzyrea I'm wondering if you don't have frameworks (though this may not be germane if you are not using 3.0 at least)
20:06 wizzyrea
20:06 wizzyrea because when you click the button, you should see frameworks
20:06 mgcleveland_ I have frameworks (I'm pretty sure)
20:07 mgcleveland_ when I go to biblio framework, I have default populated
20:07 wizzyrea I"m curious, can you add members/patrons?
20:08 wizzyrea to this install?
20:08 mgcleveland_ trying...
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20:08 wizzyrea hi paul
20:09 jwagner paul_p, what are you doing online this late?  (Not that it's not good to see you, but....)
20:10 mgcleveland_ wizzyrea, I can add patrons
20:10 paul_p hi jwagner. Just updating some personal pictures & docs, and auto-logged on irc ;-)
20:10 wizzyrea then it's not something to do with javascript, probably
20:10 mgcleveland_ yeah I didn't think it was
20:10 mgcleveland_ no browser complaints, anyway
20:11 wizzyrea what version were you running?
20:11 mgcleveland_ well I can't figure that damn thing out!
20:11 mgcleveland_ I think it's 2.2.9
20:11 wizzyrea Ah
20:11 wizzyrea yea, I can't help you sorry lol I only know 3
20:11 mgcleveland_ balls!
20:11 wizzyrea hahaha
20:12 wizzyrea curious why you'd want to run 2.2.9 though
20:12 mgcleveland_ this is driving me crazy!
20:12 mgcleveland_ Not sure why we're on the older version
20:12 mgcleveland_ I have an instance of 3 running
20:12 mgcleveland_ but this is our production instance that has the problem
20:12 * wizzyrea sings "it's much beeeettter"
20:12 jwagner paul_p, OK, you're forgiven :-)
20:12 mgcleveland_ I know!
20:12 mgcleveland_ I know it's better!
20:12 wizzyrea :)
20:12 mgcleveland_ maybe we didn't want to risk the problems that always come with migration
20:13 wizzyrea yes, librarians like to hold on to that one
20:13 wizzyrea sorry I've never run 2.2.9
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20:13 wizzyrea well, that's not true exactly
20:14 mgcleveland_ also, we're serving ours in Persian
20:14 wizzyrea but I've never run it seriously
20:14 mgcleveland_ and there is no translation for 3.0
20:14 mgcleveland_ (i think)
20:14 wizzyrea Ahh, well that would do it too
20:14 mgcleveland_ yeah
20:14 mgcleveland_ balls again!
20:15 mgcleveland_ so is 2.2.9 not supported any more?
20:15 wizzyrea you could always get someone to do a translation, or help get one started
20:15 mgcleveland_ we actually are working on it
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20:15 wizzyrea Yay!
20:15 mgcleveland_ I think my boss is dealing with that aspect of the project
20:15 mgcleveland_ yeah
20:16 wizzyrea it is, but there are a lot more people using 3.0.x than 2.2.9
20:16 mgcleveland_ shoot
20:16 mgcleveland_ well I can start migrating the data to our sandbox 3.0.x instance and see how that goes
20:19 chris back
20:20 chris and in the keynote .. by glynn moody ... its awesome so far
20:20 mgcleveland_ chris
20:20 mgcleveland_ do you know much about 2.2.x?
20:20 wizzyrea (yea, if anybody were to know about it, it would likely be chris)
20:20 mgcleveland_ woo hoo!
20:20 chris cant really talk at the moment, busy listening
20:20 mgcleveland_ oh ok
20:20 chris i do know you shouldnt use it
20:20 chris :)
20:20 mgcleveland_ i know i know!
20:21 mgcleveland_ let me know when you have a minute, I have a weird situation
20:21 chris unfortunately im at a conference all day, and all tomorrow
20:21 chris so drop me an email
20:21 chris
20:21 mgcleveland_ ok, yeah that would be great
20:21 mgcleveland_ thanks!
20:22 * chris_n designs a cool looking new search box for his opac header and tries desperately to get the css to behave :-P
20:23 * wizzyrea smacks chris_n's CSS into submission. Get! In! Your! Place!
20:23 owen If only smacking it helped.
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20:23 chris[…]chedule/video/mfc
20:24 jwagner owen, it depends on the size of the baseball bat (or other implement) you use to DO the smacking :-)
20:24 chris if anyone wants to listen to glynn explain why sharing is so important
20:24 wizzyrea me me oh me
20:29 chris_n owen: what are the 'translControl' div's ?
20:30 chris_n wizzyrea: that must have worked, 'cause it just dropped into place ;-)
20:31 chris jim kent, saved us from the human genes being patented ... free software ftw
20:31 wizzyrea my coworkers claim I have an aura...
20:31 wizzyrea I didn't know it worked over the internet too.
20:32 wizzyrea an aura that makes computers behave in my presence, that is.
20:32 wizzyrea I don't believe it but eh
20:32 owen chris_n: I'm not exactly sure what they do, but they're related to googleindictransliteration.js
20:33 chris thats freaking awesome, GNU/Linux saved (most) of the human genome from gene patents
20:33 mgcleveland_ hey wizzy
20:33 wizzyrea yes?
20:33 mgcleveland_ would be the same code in 3.0.x and 2.2.x?
20:33 wizzyrea i'm guessing no
20:33 mgcleveland_ hmmm
20:33 mgcleveland_ that's weird
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20:33 mgcleveland_ because I think my working instance is 3.0.x
20:34 wizzyrea hard to say without knowing for sure
20:34 mgcleveland_ yeah it is
20:34 mgcleveland_ and I diffed that with my production instance and they were the same
20:34 mgcleveland_ aaahh!
20:34 mgcleveland_ (no revelation)
20:35 * chris_n thinks his genes are copyrighted in any case ;-)
20:35 wizzyrea maybe the revelation is that needs to be reverted to a 2.2.9 version
20:35 mgcleveland_ hahaha
20:35 chris_n what she said
20:35 chris_n I find it highly unlikely that the two would be the same
20:36 mgcleveland_ I'm sure I have the of the correct instance
20:36 mgcleveland_ i just don't know which version the production instance is!~
20:36 mgcleveland_ and I can't find it anywhere!
20:36 wizzyrea well... you have a weird problem, and an even wierder code congruency on possibly completely different versions
20:37 wizzyrea that's just a recipe for wierdness if I've ever heard one
20:37 mgcleveland_ hahaha
20:37 mgcleveland_ is there anywhere in the source code/DB where I can see which version I have?
20:37 * wizzyrea does not know 2.2.9
20:37 mgcleveland_ btw, we also have a weird theme, so everything is hard to find
20:37 mgcleveland_ what about in 3.0.x?
20:37 wizzyrea mg, which library do you work for?
20:38 mgcleveland_ I'm suspicious that we actually are running 3.0.x
20:38 mgcleveland_ University of Arizona
20:38 mgcleveland_ I'm a student
20:38 mgcleveland_ :)
20:38 chris_n mgcleveland: you can try opening your production in a text editor and see if the version is noted there
20:38 wizzyrea O.o Ah
20:38 mgcleveland_ I have root access to the code
20:38 mgcleveland_ i'll just check the code directly
20:38 chris go to the page
20:38 chris http://your.staff.interface/cgi-bin/koha/
20:38 mgcleveland_ chris!
20:38 mgcleveland_ nice!
20:38 * chris_n jumps back into the CSS pool for more fun
20:39 chris and/or look in the db
20:39 mgcleveland_ it is 2.2.9
20:39 mgcleveland_ I think our theme has no link to
20:39 mgcleveland_ >(
20:39 chris systempreferences table has a version number (if its 3.0.0 or later)
20:39 wizzyrea aside, I didn't realize uni of ariz. was doing much with koha
20:39 mgcleveland_ it's a special project
20:39 mgcleveland_ I'm not working on the library's main site
20:40 mgcleveland_ it's a grant we've been working on for a few years
20:40 mgcleveland_ partnering with Kabul University in Afghanistan
20:40 chris what you should do
20:40 chris is get someone working on
20:40 mgcleveland_ we do have them doing that
20:40 mgcleveland_ at least we started on it
20:41 wizzyrea and move it to 3.0 (or 3.2, which is relatively imminent)
20:41 mgcleveland_ we're a little overwhelmed with work and fulfilling the grant expectations
20:41 chris yeah
20:41 mgcleveland_ agreed
20:41 chris  hasnt changed in a while
20:41 mgcleveland_ not farsi
20:41 mgcleveland_ persian
20:41 mgcleveland_ or is it listed as farsi?
20:41 mgcleveland_ I can't remember
20:41 mgcleveland_ I don't do the farsi stuff
20:42 mgcleveland_ my boss and some coworkers do that
20:42 chris that is persian
20:42 mgcleveland_ my favorite languages are C, C++, etc...
20:42 mgcleveland_ :)
20:43 chris i think its a bit late now, but i suspect this a good example of why getting involved in the community early vs later is a good idea
20:43 mgcleveland_ yeah
20:43 wizzyrea yes, definitely, a very good example
20:43 mgcleveland_ well this was working for a long time
20:43 chris *nod*
20:43 mgcleveland_ and suddenly isn't
20:43 wizzyrea ... what changed?
20:44 mgcleveland_ I'm not sure
20:44 chris and if it had been committed back (the translation etc) then 3.0 would have it
20:44 mgcleveland_ I wish i knew!
20:44 mgcleveland_ oh you're talking about the translation
20:44 chris and any code mods
20:44 mgcleveland_ is that the project that uses pootle?
20:44 chris silos = bad
20:45 chris mgcleveland_: yeah we use pootle for translating koha
20:45 * chris is currently translation manager
20:45 mgcleveland_ gotcha, yeah like I said I'm not involved with the translation part
20:45 mgcleveland_ maybe you've spoken with my boss then, I know he contacted someone about it
20:45 mgcleveland_ Yan Han is his name
20:46 wizzyrea do a lot of people have superlibrarian access? or access to the system?
20:46 owen Proof that silos are bad:[…]ns/Silo/00cap.jpg
20:46 mgcleveland_ nope
20:46 mgcleveland_ ^^wizzyrea
20:46 chris ah yeah, i have talked with him
20:46 mgcleveland_ haha, cool!
20:46 mgcleveland_ small world
20:46 wizzyrea there aren't many people in the koha world that chris hasn't talked to lol
20:46 mgcleveland_ haha, a celebrity!
20:47 mgcleveland_ ok guys, well I appreciate your help
20:47 mgcleveland_ I may be back tomorrow
20:47 wizzyrea well, i encourage you to think about what has changed
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20:47 wizzyrea have a beer, relax your mind, the answer will come
20:47 mgcleveland_ wizzyrea: agreed
20:47 mgcleveland_ haha
20:47 wizzyrea :)
20:48 mgcleveland_ it's only 1:45pm!
20:48 mgcleveland_ 3.75 hours to go!
20:48 mgcleveland_ haha
20:48 mgcleveland_ adios!
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20:49 CGI487 hi everybody
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20:49 CGI487 I am trying to make zebra run as a daemon on suse linux but still can't
20:50 CGI487 anyone here install koha 3.0.5 on suse linux ?
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20:53 owen Do the CGI* people have no patience, or are they more prone to flaky connections?
20:54 chris both
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21:11 chris_n here's a screenshot of some of the opac customizations I've been working on for the library here
21:11 chris_n
21:12 wizzyrea oh that's beautiful chris_n
21:12 owen Very nice
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21:13 chris_n tnx
21:13 chris_n and especially to owen's blogs and the npl website (which I have combed through with firebug to pickup tips)
21:14 owen I wonder if PTFS will continue "Koha Express?"
21:14 owen On the one hand, it seems to fill a need for small libraries who don't want to invest too much
21:14 wizzyrea I hope they at least give it a different name
21:14 owen On the other hand, PTFS doesn't have to compete in the same way LibLime [felt they] did
21:15 wizzyrea always makes me think of coffee
21:16 sekjal I'm still keen to get a turnkeylinux application of Koha going on.  Download, slap on some (virtual) machine somewhere, and play
21:16 sekjal I think the difficulty is in the details with that, though
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21:20 wizzyrea yes, I like that idea too sekjal
21:21 wizzyrea or launch that puppy to the cloud
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21:22 wizzyrea they have super funky music on the webcast from linux conf AU
21:22 wizzyrea I dig
21:24 chris_n looks like owen 's running a patch mill today :-)
21:26 wizzyrea owen++
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21:29 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: I wonder whether Kyle patches for patroncards and rotating collections should get into Community.
21:29 hdl_laptop It was sent on patches.
21:29 hdl_laptop And was welcome.
21:29 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: I agree, it should
21:29 hdl_laptop ok.
21:29 hdl_laptop it looks smooth enough to enter.
21:30 chris_n bbl
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21:45 masonj .
21:45 BobB Hi Mason, you there?
21:45 masonj yes i am :)
21:48 masonj BobB: moo
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21:51 masonj chris: moof
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22:04 chris bug3000
22:04 chris bug 3000
22:04 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3000 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---,, RESOLVED FIXED, Tool needed for catalogers (and other librarians) to bulk change itypes and collection codes
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22:34 wizzyrea ok, that makes me feel happy and like squeeing
22:35 wizzyrea that's a very good feature
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22:59 * chris_n2 wonders which feature
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23:27 brendan cya later #koha
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23:44 Nate goodnight #koha
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