Time Nick Message 00:24 chris_n2 @wunder 28334 00:24 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 9.6�C (7:18 PM EST on January 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1000.9 hPa (Falling). 01:13 chris owen++ 02:10 chris_n2 owen++ 02:55 chris git log --decorate --graph --oneline 03:00 chris_n2 fatal: unrecognized argument: --oneline 03:01 chris ahh old version of git 03:01 chris_n2 git version 1.6.0.4 03:02 chris --pretty=oneline 03:03 chris_n2 that works 03:04 chris_n2 --oneline works in git version 1.6.3.3 03:04 chris_n2 neat 03:04 chris yeah handy 03:04 chris_n2 did you learn that at a seminar today? 03:04 chris at a git wrangling one right now 03:05 chris by scott chacon (who is a guru) 03:05 chris_n2 cool 03:05 chris talking about rebasing now 03:06 chris and affirming that koha does it the right way 03:06 chris so thats nice 03:06 chris (ie we should rebase before sending patches) 03:07 chris_n2 nice to know that 03:11 chris wow, you can do some scarily powerful stuff 03:17 * chris_n2 grips the edge of his seat with excitement :-) 03:20 chris looking at all the different merge tools 03:21 chris now we are talking about gitattributes 03:22 chris how you can use it to diff binary files 03:22 chris_n2 that's one session I'd love to be at 03:22 chris its all being recorded 03:23 chris ill post to the devel list when it is put up somewhere 03:23 chris its one you want to be able to pause 03:23 chris_n2 great 03:23 chris so you can try things 03:32 chris http://bit.ly/git-wrangling 03:34 Jo Hi all. Is anyone able to help me find out the date and tme of the Koha community meeting please. I know its early Feb but can't find it on koha.org and struggling a abit wuith irc logs 03:35 chris the next one? 03:36 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=en:events:meetings:irc_meetings:meetingnotes10feb02 03:36 chris ok, gotta go offline for a bit 03:36 Amit hi chris 03:36 Amit good morning #koha 03:37 Jo hiya AMit 03:37 Amit heya Jo 03:37 Jo thankjs Chris 03:44 chris_n2 hey Amit 03:45 Amit heya Chris_n2 03:45 Amit @wunder New Delhi 03:45 munin Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 8.0�C (8:30 AM IST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). 03:45 chris_n2 @wunder 28334 03:45 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 8.6�C (10:42 PM EST on January 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Falling). 03:46 chris_n2 humid in New Delhi today 03:46 chris_n2 raining maybe? 04:01 Jo @wunder Wellington 04:01 munin Jo: Error: No such location could be found. 04:07 Amit @wunder Dehradun india 04:07 munin Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 6.0�C (8:30 AM IST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa. 04:07 Amit @wunder Bangalore 04:07 munin Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 19.0�C (8:30 AM IST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. 04:35 chris_n2 g'night #koha 06:16 Amit heya richard 06:16 richard hiya Amit 06:16 richard how's things going? 07:06 Ropuch Morning #koha 07:24 imp moin 07:25 Amit heya nicomo, Ropuch, imp 07:26 nicomo hi Amit 09:51 magnus jo++ # http://library-matters.blogspot.com/2010/01/users-vs-developers-not-in-my-universe.html 10:04 chris its a great blog post 10:04 * chris has just got back from drinking with some git developers 10:04 chris so may be incoherent 10:06 masonj heya 10:06 masonj i just got back from band-practice... 10:09 chris cool :) you were mentioned in the blog post 10:09 masonj hi Amit too , happy new year 10:11 paul_p hello masonj, magnus, chris & al 10:12 masonj hiya paul 10:12 magnus hello paul_p et al 10:12 masonj and magnus :) 10:12 magnus and masonj 10:13 chris heya paul_p 10:13 chris paul_p: try git log --decorate --graph --oneline 10:14 magnus nice 10:18 chris one of the tips i learnt today 10:19 chris more at http://bit.ly/git-wrangling 10:23 masonj nice pdf layout and graphics 10:24 chris yeah was a good talk, from someone who really knows there stuff 10:24 chris their too 10:28 Amit hi masonj happy new year to you too 10:38 hdl_laptop happy new year Amit 10:51 chilts yeah, gonna alias 'git tree' to 'git log --decorate --graph --pretty=oneline' (I have v1.6.0.4 unfortunately, --pretty=oneline === --oneline) 10:52 Amit hi hdl_laptop same to u 13:21 chris_n g'morning 13:24 * jwagner makes an indistinct mumble resembling "good morning" 13:29 hdl_laptop good morning 13:41 oceb morning 13:44 owen Hi oceb 13:49 oceb hi owen 13:51 oceb do you know why advanced search with Date of publication, distribution (260c) isn't workin on opac? 13:51 owen oceb: Does it return no results, or incorrect results? 13:51 oceb never return results =/ 13:52 owen oceb: What version of Koha? 13:52 oceb 3.0.5 13:57 owen Are you referring to the "publication date range" option? 13:58 oceb exactly! :D 13:59 oceb when i put a date p.e. "1998" or "-2009" or "1997-" it doesn't return results 13:59 oceb but without a date, it returns... 13:59 owen I assume other searches are working okay? 13:59 oceb yeah 14:00 owen Maybe someone else here can verify: Does the publication date search work by looking at 008? 14:01 oceb uhmmm 14:01 oceb how i can do a date search on 008 ? 14:02 owen oceb: I thought the publication date range search *did* search on the date in 008, but I'm hoping someone else here can tell me if that's correct 14:03 oceb =O 14:04 oceb I thought that search was on the field 260c 14:06 owen 260c can contain non-numeric data, so you can't ask a computer to do numeric comparisons on it without attempting to sanitize it. 14:06 owen I thought the pub date search worked with 008 because of that. 14:08 schuster I can't verify but from my experience with Bib dates so far depending I suspect it is coming from the biblio.copyrightdate or biblioitems, but I'm not sure 14:08 oceb =o 14:08 oceb omg 14:08 schuster where that is being derived from and scrubbed to a single number. I have not compared that, but will take a look. 14:09 oceb i think 99% of my books doesn't have a date in 008 >.< 14:09 oceb i'll test one, im putting a date on a book and now im reindexing 14:19 oceb omg 14:19 oceb it works! 14:19 oceb thanks owen :) 14:20 oceb now i need to put all dates from 260c to 008 =( 14:22 owen oceb: sounds like a job for a Perl guru 14:24 * owen thinks we had to do the same thing at one point, but it wasn't me that did it 14:24 schuster so it is pulling the date from the 008 - do you know is that how it got the information for the biblio.copyrightdate as well? 14:26 * chris_n heads off to fix a naughty win32 box 14:26 schuster shame on that box... ;) 14:27 schuster Owen - I want to thank you again for your help last week.. I'm really excited about the possibilities, now I just have to do something with it! 14:27 owen Sure thing schuster, I know you'd asked me about it before and I'm glad you pestered me about it 14:27 Ropuch Hm, I need to fix 008 with dates from 260c too 14:28 Ropuch This means some perl exercisies ;> 14:32 jwagner owen, you're talking about the 008 positions 7-10 for the pubyear, correct? 14:32 owen Yes 14:32 jwagner Thanks. I have a site that's getting data converted by Marcive right now -- a timely reminder to send them to make sure that's getting filled in. 14:38 oceb wow 14:38 oceb not everithing is perl :) 14:39 oceb here in my library we have some code written in php to modifiy both marc and marcxml 14:40 oceb but I am learning Perl little by little with koha :D 14:49 hdl_laptop oceb: :'( 14:49 hdl_laptop learning PERL with koha is a hard school 14:50 schuster MarcEdit again might be able to help in that job... I know I've used it's find x and place it in y feature several times. Don't know how it would work on a leader/008 field. 14:51 chris_n bye chris_n2 14:51 hdl_laptop schuster++ 14:51 schuster Question to the list - has anyone else seen this? http://bagno.be/localcovers.html - would it still work? 14:52 oceb hdl_laptop : yeah.... when i come here, i have no idea of what is perl :S 14:54 oceb perl is... powerfull but... some complicated to beginners :D Php is friendly with beginners :) Anyway im happy with koha and my newbie-knowledge of perl 14:56 schuster interesting regarding the 008 - biblios.copyrightdate comes from the 260c though in the database NOT the 008. 14:56 schuster I just ran a test. 15:06 schuster chris - just went through the git presentation - it is powerful - glad you understand it!!! 15:07 owen That's what I like about git: I can get stuff done with it, and people smarter than me can do magic with it. 15:07 schuster magic - kinda like owen the wizard with css ;) 15:08 schuster I just did some further testing and biblios.copyrightdate - scrubs everything except the first set of numbers. ie 2010, [p2009] in copyrightdate shows 2010, with [p2009], 2010 shows 2009... 15:10 schuster When searching what is displayed on the bib screen is the copyrightdate field so in the example above 2010, then 2009 not the full MARC representation. 15:36 schuster ok new question for the techies. I may also post it to the koha-devel list for responses. I have 53,000 pictures of students on a remote server. 15:37 schuster I tried to scp them in, but guess what there are limitations, so I'm thinking of setting up a cron job to setup the fileshare on the windows box, and then issue a set of scp commands once a week in the middle of the night to copy them over. 15:37 schuster then at the end of the cron would be the script I have to mass add them. 15:38 schuster Thoughts suggestions? I'm a librarian here remember that when you respond. thanks.... 15:49 wizzyrea hm, why do you have to add all 53k of them every week? 15:54 wizzyrea schuster: maybe I'm not understanding your need, you have 53k photos and you can only move X with scp, so you're thinking of moving batches of them? Or you have 53k photos that you need to add every week 15:54 wizzyrea or... something else 15:55 owen wizzyrea: Looks like he put more details into a message to koha-devel 15:56 schuster There are files put on a share for several departments to use of pictures of all the kids. I never know when they get put there, and the dates on the files are the dates they are taken by the photographer 15:56 schuster hence the reason for loading ALL of them. 15:57 schuster If there are problems with pictures the librarian lets me know and I inform the powers that be to adjust the photo names etc... to make them match correctly. We use the photos with the grade book program, and lunchline. 15:57 wizzyrea Ah, sorry I didn't look at my list mail 15:58 schuster sorry I was somewhat brief here in my description. 16:00 wizzyrea it's too bad it's a windows server, you could rsync 16:03 chris_n you can still rsync 16:03 chris_n http://www.aboutmyip.com/AboutMyXApp/DeltaCopy.jsp 16:03 wizzyrea I didn't realize there was a windows version ^.^ 16:04 wizzyrea oh sweet, had no idea, thanks chris 16:04 wizzyrea chris_n 16:04 chris_n I use it to sync my main webradio broadcast server with the warm-standby box 16:05 chris_n schuster: you can do a share if you use samba 16:05 wizzyrea are you the king of shoehorning windows in to unix shoes? 16:05 chris_n but rsync is probably the thing here 16:05 chris_n wizzyrea: I like to see windows in a vbox frame inside of my gnome interface 16:05 wizzyrea LOL 16:06 wizzyrea I frankly can't stand to look at it anymore >.> 16:07 chris_n schuster: you can setup rsync on your koha box and deltacopy on your win32 box and away you go 16:07 wizzyrea that has other benefits too, right? Like, he might not have to do all 53k? 16:07 chris_n rsync will only pickup on the file changes as well (if you like) which will reduce the load on the network after the initial replication 16:08 wizzyrea yes, that's what I was thinking of 16:08 chris_n great minds think alike they say ;-) 16:08 chris_n or at least get stuck in the same rut 16:08 wizzyrea haha 16:13 schuster Thanks chris_n AGAIN! I'll look into this... I don't have control of the windows box only access to pull/copy from so will have to play with it. 16:20 mgcleveland_ Hello, I have a questions addbiblio.pl not working 16:20 mgcleveland_ the page is blank when it's loaded via the OPAC site 16:20 * chris_n shamelessly encourages a prospective Koha user to maintain their own installation of Koha 16:20 mgcleveland_ is that directed at me? 16:21 mgcleveland_ (chris_n) 16:21 wizzyrea_ erm, do you mean in the staff interface? 16:21 mgcleveland_ yep, the staff interface 16:21 chris_n mgcleveland: sorry, no :-) 16:21 mgcleveland_ (thanks for the response) 16:21 mgcleveland_ haha, no worries 16:21 chris_n but feel free to maintain your own as well :-) 16:21 mgcleveland_ haha, I'm trying! 16:22 mgcleveland_ but there's just so much perl spaghetti code! 16:22 owen mgcleveland_: What version of Koha? Does your browser display any javascript errors? 16:22 wizzyrea_ mg do you have access to your koha error log? 16:22 mgcleveland_ yes I have access to the logs and there is no error 16:22 mgcleveland_ (no javascript errors either) 16:23 wizzyrea what browser are you using? 16:23 mgcleveland_ firefox 16:23 mgcleveland_ here's the weird thing 16:23 mgcleveland_ I have other instances on different servers, and this page works on them 16:23 mgcleveland_ i've diffed the files and there is no difference in the files! 16:23 mgcleveland_ I assume there must be something wrong with my config or database, but I jsut don't know where to start looking 16:25 schuster Permissions on the file? 16:25 mgcleveland_ i have root on everything 16:25 mgcleveland_ oh, sorry 16:25 mgcleveland_ good cal 16:25 mgcleveland_ l 16:25 mgcleveland_ let me check 16:25 mgcleveland_ only needs 755, right? 16:27 wizzyrea it's just blank? 16:27 wizzyrea apache errors? 16:27 mgcleveland_ I checked the apache logs, as well, but I'll do a re-check 16:28 mgcleveland_ (koha error log is blank) 16:29 mgcleveland_ apache log has no errors pertaining to my session 16:29 wizzyrea it's got to be something obvious 16:29 mgcleveland_ that's what I'm thinking 16:29 mgcleveland_ but I can't put my finger on it 16:30 mgcleveland_ like I said, I suspect some config or DB issue 16:30 wizzyrea do you have itypes defined? 16:30 wizzyrea have you been through the system preferences to set up a library? 16:30 wizzyrea 2nd being more important probably 16:30 mgcleveland_ let me see 16:31 wizzyrea (if you don't have a library, I don't think it will let you add bibs( 16:31 wizzyrea (it definitely won't let you add patrons) 16:31 mgcleveland_ (i'm a CS/programmer guy, so when it comes to the library aspects of the system I'm a little lost, but I'll try to hang :) ) 16:31 wizzyrea we get that a lot :) 16:31 mgcleveland_ haha 16:31 mgcleveland_ so how can I see if a library exists? 16:32 wizzyrea more -> administration -> libraries and groups 16:32 mgcleveland_ oh yes 16:32 wizzyrea should list them 16:32 mgcleveland_ we have 7 branches listed 16:32 wizzyrea okies, not that... 16:32 mgcleveland_ with no categories set, is this important? 16:33 wizzyrea I'm taking it that you installed with the default data? 16:33 wizzyrea so you should have default categories and itypes 16:33 mgcleveland_ yes I did, but we've added data since then 16:33 mgcleveland_ I really apologize but I have a meeting in 15 16:33 wizzyrea Ah ok 16:33 wizzyrea np np 16:33 mgcleveland_ thank you so much for your help 16:33 wizzyrea we're ez 16:33 mgcleveland_ i'll be back in a few! 16:34 wizzyrea ttyl :) 16:34 wizzyrea ttyl :) 16:34 wizzyrea eerks lol 16:34 wizzyrea bad typing, bad 16:35 wizzyrea so the koha.org vendor list page is worthless now, right? 16:35 wizzyrea I mean, it lists some 16:42 schuster Evidently from the discussion yesterday... 16:42 wizzyrea well, here's my task 16:43 wizzyrea I'm supposed to come up with a list of the major players in the Koha Community 16:43 wizzyrea and their significant contributions 16:43 wizzyrea which should be easy enough 16:44 owen wizzyrea: chris and nicomo have both done work analyzing the git logs to identify the primary contributors 16:45 wizzyrea yea I'm looking at it 16:49 wizzyrea http://stats.workbuffer.org/3.2.0.html among others 16:51 owen wizzyrea: I know PTFS Europe has applied to appear on the list (ages ago) and more recently Mill Run Technology Solutions 16:52 owen Who knows if others have applied and either gotten no response or gave up because the submission form is broken. 16:54 wizzyrea yea... mason still works at katipo? 16:56 wizzyrea chris_n who do you work for? 16:57 jwagner gmcharlt, online? 16:57 magnus libriotech should be listed, but i havn't bothered to apply yet... 17:02 masonj wizzyrea: officially, i work for KohaAloha (my own company), but i do work as a contractor to Katipo ;) 17:02 wizzyrea (I know, I should know this) 17:04 chris_n @later tell wizzyrea FBC (Foundations Bible College) and contract from time to time 17:04 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. 17:05 masonj @later tell wizzyrea officially, i work for KohaAloha (my own company), but i do work as a contractor to Katipo ;) 17:05 munin masonj: The operation succeeded. 17:05 wizzyrea_ ty ty 17:05 wizzyrea_ sry, our internets went funky 17:06 chris_n funky_internet-- 17:10 gmcharlt jwagner_meeting: ? 17:20 oceb hi brendan 17:21 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt brendan 17:21 brendan good morning 17:22 sekjal morning, brendan 17:22 owen Hi brendan 17:22 brendan must be nighttime for you hdl_laptop 17:22 hdl_laptop only 18PM 17:23 brendan @wunder 93117 17:23 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.3�C (9:16 AM PST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.58 in 1001.6 hPa (Rising). Coastal Flood Advisory in effect until 7 am PST this morning... 17:23 paul_p not 18PM, 6PM ;-) 17:23 brendan yup my office flooded this morning :( 17:24 sekjal uck, sorry brendan. anything badly damaged? 17:24 brendan the rug, but everything else was off the ground 17:25 brendan glad that I plan for silly things like floods, in a place that only rains for a month out of the year 17:25 sekjal brendan: definitely 17:25 sekjal I remember waking up at 4am to my apartment flooding. Mad dash across a squishy carpet to get my CPU off the floor 17:26 moodaepo @wunder 56001 17:26 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -6.0�C (11:15 AM CST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am CST Thursday... 17:32 chris morning 17:32 owen Hi chris 17:32 chris_n heya chris 17:33 oceb how i can put my location info? D= 17:36 * chris is trying to figure out what sessions to go to today 17:49 masonj chris: hopefully see you at/after the keynote 17:50 schuster have a great day everyone... 17:50 schuster @wunder 75074 17:50 munin schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 18.6�C (11:45 AM CST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.00 in 981.9 hPa (Falling). 17:50 schuster I'm off to play for the afternoon! 17:51 chris sounds good masonj 17:51 owen I'd do like schuster if I had his weather 18:09 wizzyrea_ huh, http://api.jquery.com/ changed from mediawiki to wordpress for their CMS. 18:18 jwagner gmcharlt, still around? 18:18 gmcharlt jwagner: what's up? 18:19 jwagner I think I remember you saying you were going to push a bunch of patches to the current head -- has that happened? 18:19 jwagner One of our developers wants to get the latest head with all the patches/bugfixes. 18:20 gmcharlt look for it over the weekend 18:20 jwagner OK, I'll tell him. Thanks. 18:20 gmcharlt the dev can also take a gander at the biblibre 3.2_community branch 18:24 jwagner OK. 18:26 chris register trademarks?????? 18:27 chris wizzyrea_: you might need to have a chat with your boss, i fear in order to move things along he is gonna start another set of worries 18:27 wizzyrea_ erm... I think that was a list of things that a foundation could (but KUDOS won't, necessarily) 18:27 wizzyrea_ do 18:28 wizzyrea_ don't read too much into it 18:28 wizzyrea_ he's in agreement 18:28 wizzyrea_ more along the lines of "get a move on and get it done" 18:29 chris ppl need to be more careful with words is all im saying 18:29 wizzyrea_ KUDOS doesn't have any interest that I know of to register any trademarks regarding koha 18:30 sekjal we have never mentioned trademarks at all in any of the discussions I've been in on 18:30 wizzyrea_ he's an administrator, he is simply referring to the things a foundation *can* do 18:30 wizzyrea_ and in order to do them, you must have the foundation 18:30 chris cool, now anyone who reads the irc logs knows that, but anyone who reads the mailing list could be confused into thinking KUDOS is the foundation 18:31 sekjal that's easy enough to fix... one sec 18:31 chris thanks sekjal 18:31 chris its always easier to stop arguments before they start :) 18:32 wizzyrea_ rather, a non profit 501c3 agency 18:33 Ropuch Evening #koha 18:33 chris hiya Ropuch 18:35 sekjal email sent. time for a meeting. bbl 18:36 chris sekjal+++ 18:36 chris sekjal++ 18:36 chris even 18:50 chris ok bus time 18:51 wizzyrea_ gl with the bus 19:00 * chris_n takes a deep breath and presses the 'send' button 19:01 chris_n perhaps /me should have read the buffer first :-) 19:03 wizzyrea_ heh 19:04 wizzyrea_ jim's grown, he can take it, though I'm sure that he didn't actually mean it in the way it's being read 19:04 * chris_n has had that happen before too 19:05 wizzyrea_ he said the magic word "trademark" 19:05 wizzyrea_ and "foundation" 19:05 * wizzyrea_ shudders 19:05 chris_n the community is a bit sensitive atm 19:05 wizzyrea_ heh, yea 19:07 wizzyrea_ and by "sure" I know that he knows about the HLT/Official Foundation situation, more importantly comprehends the importance of that effort, and even more importantly respects that there is a need for it 19:07 wizzyrea_ and you all don't know this, but he's set up several non profit foundations in his career 19:08 wizzyrea_ *helped to set up 19:08 wizzyrea_ yea, he's my boss, but he's not a nub. 19:09 wizzyrea_ he is, and we are, committed to the principles of free software, and we have every interest in seeing Koha succeed. 19:09 wizzyrea_ there. I'm done. 19:09 wizzyrea_ :) 19:10 * chris_n applauds 19:35 * jwagner thinks true joy is not wanting to do a telecon, and finding out the other person has forgotten about it & left for the day :-) 19:35 gmcharlt jwagner++ 19:36 wizzyrea_ owen: what do you think about the following screenshot, how can we make this display better 19:36 wizzyrea_ http://screencast.com/t/M2RlNTY0 19:36 jwagner That just made my afternoon! 19:37 wizzyrea_ the items display is what I'm referring to 19:37 wizzyrea_ on bibs that have lots of items, the results list is very... icky 19:37 owen To say the least 19:37 wizzyrea_ or maybe that's fixed in more recent versions 19:37 owen Not that I know of 19:37 jwagner I'm not owen, but I think it would be better if the items list was just another line after the bib display instead of in a separate column. That would give it a much wider table cell to run across. 19:38 chris_n @quote add jwagner thinks true joy is not wanting to do a telecon, and finding out the other person has forgotten about it & left for the day :-) 19:38 munin chris_n: The operation succeeded. Quote #51 added. 19:38 wizzyrea_ well, it shows several things that it may not need to 19:38 jwagner chris_n, you had to do that, didn't you :-( 19:38 wizzyrea_ why does it show the call number for checked out items, for example 19:38 wizzyrea_ it's out, you're not going to find it 19:39 owen ...not that that buys you much space 19:39 richard hi 19:40 wizzyrea_ true, but what if you 1. used the library short name instead of full name, 2. removed the call number 3. changed date due: to Due only for on loan items 19:40 jwagner wizzyrea, this is staff side, correct? Is there any value to even showing the call numbers at this stage? Maybe just a Library A (7 copies), Library B (2 copies) etc. 19:41 wizzyrea_ well I was wondering about that too 19:41 wizzyrea_ I think that for AVAILABLE items it doesn't hurt to show a lot of info 19:41 wizzyrea_ but for checked out or lost items... just as well to go to the bib detail 19:41 wizzyrea_ to find out the dilly 19:41 wizzyrea_ yes, thsi is the staff side 19:42 wizzyrea_ oh and you've got shelving location in there too 19:42 wizzyrea_ so axe that 19:42 wizzyrea_ so, as an example 19:42 wizzyrea_ on loan: Baldwin, Due 01/28/2010 19:43 wizzyrea_ Basehor, Due XXX 19:43 wizzyrea_ etc 19:43 wizzyrea_ 1-2 lines instead of 6 19:44 wizzyrea_ i'm more just curious if anyone else has an opinion on how it can be made better 19:44 wizzyrea_ I know it's not a priority 19:44 wizzyrea_ i'm willing to try to fix it myself, but don't want to do anything that would make people upset 19:44 wizzyrea_ fix/change 19:45 owen Needs a wider discussion 19:46 mgcleveland_ wizzyrea_ you still there? 19:46 wizzyrea yep 19:46 mgcleveland_ ok I'm back 19:46 mgcleveland_ do you remember what we were talking about? 19:46 wizzyrea there are more people around now, you might go over your issue 19:46 wizzyrea again 19:46 wizzyrea for their benefit 19:46 wizzyrea but yes, I remember :) 19:46 mgcleveland_ will do 19:47 mgcleveland_ In a nutshell, my addbiblio.pl page is not working 19:47 mgcleveland_ it works on other instances of Koha I have and the files, when diffed, are identical 19:47 mgcleveland_ this leads me to believe it's a config or DB problem 19:48 * jwagner thinks "Curses, foiled again!" Others at the site called me to pick up the telecon! 19:52 mgcleveland_ sooooooooo 19:52 mgcleveland_ any ideas? 19:52 wizzyrea we know that you have libraries, and you're sure you have item types 19:52 mgcleveland_ right, we've got branches 19:53 mgcleveland_ as for the item types, let me check 19:57 mgcleveland_ well as I said, I'm a computer person 19:57 mgcleveland_ hence the lag on figuring out the library stuff 19:59 mgcleveland_ wizzyrea, could I find that by exploring the mysql DB? 20:00 wizzyrea more -> administration -> Item Types 20:00 mgcleveland_ I == idiot 20:00 wizzyrea mine looks like this, for example 20:00 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/ZWE1YmVkN 20:00 mgcleveland_ yep, we've got 3 20:01 wizzyrea okies 20:01 mgcleveland_ so we've got branches and item types 20:01 wizzyrea and you've got nothing in your koha error log and nothing in your apache log, and addbiblio.pl won't come up 20:01 mgcleveland_ correct 20:01 mgcleveland_ you want to see a screenshot of addbiblio? 20:02 wizzyrea how are you getting to it, more -> cataloging -> new record? 20:02 mgcleveland_ I click on the "Add MARC" link 20:02 mgcleveland_ it's under "Cataloging" 20:03 wizzyrea ok, if you do more -> cataloging -> new record what happens? 20:03 wizzyrea this is what mine looks like: http://screencast.com/t/ODVlMzg1Z 20:03 mgcleveland_ same thing happens 20:03 mgcleveland_ also, I think we may be using different versions of Koha 20:04 mgcleveland_ let me see what mine is right quick 20:04 wizzyrea seems likely, in which case I probably can't help you 20:04 wizzyrea if you do more -> about koha what does it say in koha version 20:06 wizzyrea I'm wondering if you don't have frameworks (though this may not be germane if you are not using 3.0 at least) 20:06 wizzyrea http://screencast.com/t/ODVlMzg1Z 20:06 wizzyrea because when you click the button, you should see frameworks 20:06 mgcleveland_ I have frameworks (I'm pretty sure) 20:07 mgcleveland_ when I go to biblio framework, I have default populated 20:07 wizzyrea I"m curious, can you add members/patrons? 20:08 wizzyrea to this install? 20:08 mgcleveland_ trying... 20:08 wizzyrea hi paul 20:09 jwagner paul_p, what are you doing online this late? (Not that it's not good to see you, but....) 20:10 mgcleveland_ wizzyrea, I can add patrons 20:10 paul_p hi jwagner. Just updating some personal pictures & docs, and auto-logged on irc ;-) 20:10 wizzyrea then it's not something to do with javascript, probably 20:10 mgcleveland_ yeah I didn't think it was 20:10 mgcleveland_ no browser complaints, anyway 20:11 wizzyrea what version were you running? 20:11 mgcleveland_ well I can't figure that damn thing out! 20:11 mgcleveland_ I think it's 2.2.9 20:11 wizzyrea Ah 20:11 wizzyrea yea, I can't help you sorry lol I only know 3 20:11 mgcleveland_ balls! 20:11 wizzyrea hahaha 20:12 wizzyrea curious why you'd want to run 2.2.9 though 20:12 mgcleveland_ this is driving me crazy! 20:12 mgcleveland_ Not sure why we're on the older version 20:12 mgcleveland_ I have an instance of 3 running 20:12 mgcleveland_ but this is our production instance that has the problem 20:12 * wizzyrea sings "it's much beeeettter" 20:12 jwagner paul_p, OK, you're forgiven :-) 20:12 mgcleveland_ I know! 20:12 mgcleveland_ I know it's better! 20:12 wizzyrea :) 20:12 mgcleveland_ maybe we didn't want to risk the problems that always come with migration 20:13 wizzyrea yes, librarians like to hold on to that one 20:13 wizzyrea sorry I've never run 2.2.9 20:13 wizzyrea well, that's not true exactly 20:14 mgcleveland_ also, we're serving ours in Persian 20:14 wizzyrea but I've never run it seriously 20:14 mgcleveland_ and there is no translation for 3.0 20:14 mgcleveland_ (i think) 20:14 wizzyrea Ahh, well that would do it too 20:14 mgcleveland_ yeah 20:14 mgcleveland_ balls again! 20:15 mgcleveland_ so is 2.2.9 not supported any more? 20:15 wizzyrea you could always get someone to do a translation, or help get one started 20:15 mgcleveland_ we actually are working on it 20:15 wizzyrea Yay! 20:15 mgcleveland_ I think my boss is dealing with that aspect of the project 20:15 mgcleveland_ yeah 20:16 wizzyrea it is, but there are a lot more people using 3.0.x than 2.2.9 20:16 mgcleveland_ shoot 20:16 mgcleveland_ well I can start migrating the data to our sandbox 3.0.x instance and see how that goes 20:19 chris back 20:20 chris and in the keynote .. by glynn moody ... its awesome so far 20:20 mgcleveland_ chris 20:20 mgcleveland_ do you know much about 2.2.x? 20:20 wizzyrea (yea, if anybody were to know about it, it would likely be chris) 20:20 mgcleveland_ woo hoo! 20:20 chris cant really talk at the moment, busy listening 20:20 mgcleveland_ oh ok 20:20 chris i do know you shouldnt use it 20:20 chris :) 20:20 mgcleveland_ i know i know! 20:21 mgcleveland_ let me know when you have a minute, I have a weird situation 20:21 chris unfortunately im at a conference all day, and all tomorrow 20:21 chris so drop me an email 20:21 chris chris@bigballofwax.co.nz 20:21 mgcleveland_ ok, yeah that would be great 20:21 mgcleveland_ thanks! 20:22 * chris_n designs a cool looking new search box for his opac header and tries desperately to get the css to behave :-P 20:23 * wizzyrea smacks chris_n's CSS into submission. Get! In! Your! Place! 20:23 owen If only smacking it helped. 20:23 chris http://www.lca2010.org.nz/programme/schedule/video/mfc 20:24 jwagner owen, it depends on the size of the baseball bat (or other implement) you use to DO the smacking :-) 20:24 chris if anyone wants to listen to glynn explain why sharing is so important 20:24 wizzyrea me me oh me 20:29 chris_n owen: what are the 'translControl' div's ? 20:30 chris_n wizzyrea: that must have worked, 'cause it just dropped into place ;-) 20:31 chris jim kent, saved us from the human genes being patented ... free software ftw 20:31 wizzyrea my coworkers claim I have an aura... 20:31 wizzyrea I didn't know it worked over the internet too. 20:32 wizzyrea an aura that makes computers behave in my presence, that is. 20:32 wizzyrea I don't believe it but eh 20:32 owen chris_n: I'm not exactly sure what they do, but they're related to googleindictransliteration.js 20:33 chris thats freaking awesome, GNU/Linux saved (most) of the human genome from gene patents 20:33 mgcleveland_ hey wizzy 20:33 wizzyrea yes? 20:33 mgcleveland_ would addbiblio.pl be the same code in 3.0.x and 2.2.x? 20:33 wizzyrea i'm guessing no 20:33 mgcleveland_ hmmm 20:33 mgcleveland_ that's weird 20:33 mgcleveland_ because I think my working instance is 3.0.x 20:34 wizzyrea hard to say without knowing for sure 20:34 mgcleveland_ yeah it is 20:34 mgcleveland_ and I diffed that with my production instance and they were the same 20:34 mgcleveland_ aaahh! 20:34 mgcleveland_ (no revelation) 20:35 * chris_n thinks his genes are copyrighted in any case ;-) 20:35 wizzyrea maybe the revelation is that addbiblio.pl needs to be reverted to a 2.2.9 version 20:35 mgcleveland_ hahaha 20:35 chris_n what she said 20:35 chris_n I find it highly unlikely that the two would be the same 20:36 mgcleveland_ I'm sure I have the addbiblio.pl of the correct instance 20:36 mgcleveland_ i just don't know which version the production instance is!~ 20:36 mgcleveland_ and I can't find it anywhere! 20:36 wizzyrea well... you have a weird problem, and an even wierder code congruency on possibly completely different versions 20:37 wizzyrea that's just a recipe for wierdness if I've ever heard one 20:37 mgcleveland_ hahaha 20:37 mgcleveland_ is there anywhere in the source code/DB where I can see which version I have? 20:37 * wizzyrea does not know 2.2.9 20:37 mgcleveland_ btw, we also have a weird theme, so everything is hard to find 20:37 mgcleveland_ what about in 3.0.x? 20:37 wizzyrea mg, which library do you work for? 20:38 mgcleveland_ I'm suspicious that we actually are running 3.0.x 20:38 mgcleveland_ University of Arizona 20:38 mgcleveland_ I'm a student 20:38 mgcleveland_ :) 20:38 chris_n mgcleveland: you can try opening your production addbiblio.pl in a text editor and see if the version is noted there 20:38 wizzyrea O.o Ah 20:38 mgcleveland_ I have root access to the code 20:38 mgcleveland_ i'll just check the code directly 20:38 chris go to the about.pl page 20:38 chris http://your.staff.interface/cgi-bin/koha/about.pl 20:38 mgcleveland_ chris! 20:38 mgcleveland_ nice! 20:38 * chris_n jumps back into the CSS pool for more fun 20:39 chris and/or look in the db 20:39 mgcleveland_ it is 2.2.9 20:39 mgcleveland_ I think our theme has no link to about.pl 20:39 mgcleveland_ >( 20:39 chris systempreferences table has a version number (if its 3.0.0 or later) 20:39 wizzyrea aside, I didn't realize uni of ariz. was doing much with koha 20:39 mgcleveland_ it's a special project 20:39 mgcleveland_ I'm not working on the library's main site 20:40 mgcleveland_ it's a grant we've been working on for a few years 20:40 mgcleveland_ partnering with Kabul University in Afghanistan 20:40 chris what you should do 20:40 chris is get someone working on translate.koha.org 20:40 mgcleveland_ we do have them doing that 20:40 mgcleveland_ at least we started on it 20:41 wizzyrea and move it to 3.0 (or 3.2, which is relatively imminent) 20:41 mgcleveland_ we're a little overwhelmed with work and fulfilling the grant expectations 20:41 chris yeah 20:41 mgcleveland_ agreed 20:41 chris http://translate.koha.org/fa/ hasnt changed in a while 20:41 mgcleveland_ not farsi 20:41 mgcleveland_ persian 20:41 mgcleveland_ or is it listed as farsi? 20:41 mgcleveland_ I can't remember 20:41 mgcleveland_ I don't do the farsi stuff 20:42 mgcleveland_ my boss and some coworkers do that 20:42 chris that is persian 20:42 mgcleveland_ my favorite languages are C, C++, etc... 20:42 mgcleveland_ :) 20:43 chris i think its a bit late now, but i suspect this a good example of why getting involved in the community early vs later is a good idea 20:43 mgcleveland_ yeah 20:43 wizzyrea yes, definitely, a very good example 20:43 mgcleveland_ well this was working for a long time 20:43 chris *nod* 20:43 mgcleveland_ and suddenly isn't 20:43 wizzyrea ... what changed? 20:44 mgcleveland_ I'm not sure 20:44 chris and if it had been committed back (the translation etc) then 3.0 would have it 20:44 mgcleveland_ I wish i knew! 20:44 mgcleveland_ oh you're talking about the translation 20:44 chris and any code mods 20:44 mgcleveland_ is that the project that uses pootle? 20:44 chris silos = bad 20:45 chris mgcleveland_: yeah we use pootle for translating koha 20:45 * chris is currently translation manager 20:45 mgcleveland_ gotcha, yeah like I said I'm not involved with the translation part 20:45 mgcleveland_ maybe you've spoken with my boss then, I know he contacted someone about it 20:45 mgcleveland_ Yan Han is his name 20:46 wizzyrea do a lot of people have superlibrarian access? or access to the system? 20:46 owen Proof that silos are bad: http://www.theconcentrium.com/mike/simpsons/Silo/00cap.jpg 20:46 mgcleveland_ nope 20:46 mgcleveland_ ^^wizzyrea 20:46 chris ah yeah, i have talked with him 20:46 mgcleveland_ haha, cool! 20:46 mgcleveland_ small world 20:46 wizzyrea there aren't many people in the koha world that chris hasn't talked to lol 20:46 mgcleveland_ haha, a celebrity! 20:47 mgcleveland_ ok guys, well I appreciate your help 20:47 mgcleveland_ I may be back tomorrow 20:47 wizzyrea well, i encourage you to think about what has changed 20:47 wizzyrea have a beer, relax your mind, the answer will come 20:47 mgcleveland_ wizzyrea: agreed 20:47 mgcleveland_ haha 20:47 wizzyrea :) 20:48 mgcleveland_ it's only 1:45pm! 20:48 mgcleveland_ 3.75 hours to go! 20:48 mgcleveland_ haha 20:48 mgcleveland_ adios! 20:49 CGI487 hi everybody 20:49 CGI487 I am trying to make zebra run as a daemon on suse linux but still can't 20:50 CGI487 anyone here install koha 3.0.5 on suse linux ? 20:53 owen Do the CGI* people have no patience, or are they more prone to flaky connections? 20:54 chris both 21:11 chris_n here's a screenshot of some of the opac customizations I've been working on for the library here 21:11 chris_n http://www.screencast.com/t/ZjU0OGRiNz 21:12 wizzyrea oh that's beautiful chris_n 21:12 owen Very nice 21:13 chris_n tnx 21:13 chris_n and especially to owen's blogs and the npl website (which I have combed through with firebug to pickup tips) 21:14 owen I wonder if PTFS will continue "Koha Express?" 21:14 owen On the one hand, it seems to fill a need for small libraries who don't want to invest too much 21:14 wizzyrea I hope they at least give it a different name 21:14 owen On the other hand, PTFS doesn't have to compete in the same way LibLime [felt they] did 21:15 wizzyrea always makes me think of coffee 21:16 sekjal I'm still keen to get a turnkeylinux application of Koha going on. Download, slap on some (virtual) machine somewhere, and play 21:16 sekjal I think the difficulty is in the details with that, though 21:20 wizzyrea yes, I like that idea too sekjal 21:21 wizzyrea or launch that puppy to the cloud 21:22 wizzyrea they have super funky music on the webcast from linux conf AU 21:22 wizzyrea I dig 21:24 chris_n looks like owen 's running a patch mill today :-) 21:26 wizzyrea owen++ 21:29 hdl_laptop gmcharlt: I wonder whether Kyle patches for patroncards and rotating collections should get into Community. 21:29 hdl_laptop It was sent on patches. 21:29 hdl_laptop And was welcome. 21:29 gmcharlt hdl_laptop: I agree, it should 21:29 hdl_laptop ok. 21:29 hdl_laptop it looks smooth enough to enter. 21:30 chris_n bbl 21:45 masonj . 21:45 BobB Hi Mason, you there? 21:45 masonj yes i am :) 21:48 masonj BobB: moo 21:51 masonj chris: moof 22:04 chris bug3000 22:04 chris bug 3000 22:04 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3000 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, RESOLVED FIXED, Tool needed for catalogers (and other librarians) to bulk change itypes and collection codes 22:34 wizzyrea ok, that makes me feel happy and like squeeing 22:35 wizzyrea that's a very good feature 22:59 * chris_n2 wonders which feature 23:27 brendan cya later #koha 23:44 Nate goodnight #koha 23:49 moodaepo @wunder 56001 23:49 munin moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -2.0�C (5:35 PM CST on January 20, 2010). 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