IRC log for #koha, 2009-12-21

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03:32 Genji Hi, im back. anyone alive?
03:33 Genji Would a mismatch in versioning of LibXML compiled for 706 but libxml2 runtime is 702, cause a zebra indexing/search fail?
03:34 Genji Would it cause icu.xml to fail to read?
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03:44 Amit hi brendan, chris
03:44 Amit good morning #koha
03:59 Genji hiya Amit.
03:59 Genji Would a mismatch in versioning of LibXML compiled for 706 but libxml2 runtime is 702, cause a zebra indexing/search fail?
03:59 Genji Would it cause icu.xml to fail to read?
03:59 Amit heya Genji
04:01 Genji What do you think, Amit?
04:01 Amit your LibXML version
04:02 Genji how do i get that?
04:02 Amit what os r u using?
04:02 Genji Centos
04:03 Genji 5.something
04:03 Amit have u installed by rpm or CPAN package?
04:04 Genji unsure. I uninstalled LibXML via CPANPLUS, and reinstalled.. to see if the mismatch would disappear. Nope.
04:04 Amit u can installed by RPM package
04:05 Genji Oh? okay. whats the rpm?
04:06 Amit perl-XML-LibXML
04:16 Genji no package perl-XML-LibXML availab.e
04:16 Genji hmm.. guess i have to search for it.
04:22 Genji how do i know from uname -a if i have 64 bit or not?
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04:25 Genji 2.6.18-164.el5PAE #1 SMP Thu Sep 3 04:10:44 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux is 64 or 32 bit?
04:27 Amit yum search perl-XML-LibXML
04:29 Genji nevermind.. got it.
04:29 Genji rpmforging on.
04:35 Genji oh... this isn't good. now yum update says that kernel.i686 is set to be erased!
04:36 Genji oh.. a new kernel is set to be installed....
04:47 brendan hello amit
04:55 chris_n2 @wunder 28334
04:55 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is -2.0�C (11:53 PM EST on December 20, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady).
04:55 chris_n2 @wunder 22727
04:55 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Madison Cnty; 3 miles NE Haywood, Haywood, Virginia is -4.0�C (11:50 PM EST on December 20, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Rising).
04:56 * chris_n2 notes that 22727 is currently under about 30 some inches of snow
04:57 chris_n2 and wonders back off into LEK purgatory
04:58 Amit heya chris_n2
04:58 chris_n2 howdy Amit
04:58 Amit everything is fine
04:59 chris_n2 heh... as fine as can be trying to code with both hands tied behind my back and one foot too, I think
05:01 Genji hmm, chris_n2? Your Liblime developer?
05:02 Genji @quote search chris_n2
05:02 munin Genji: No matching quotes were found.
05:03 chris_n2 Genji: no... I was once upon a time in a galaxy far far away... now I'm just contracted by a third party to attempt to do some magical foo interfacing LEK with some other software
05:04 chris_n2 Genji: btw chris_n2 = chris_n = fbcit so on and so forth
05:06 Genji magical foo getting LEK to play nice, sounds like black magic.
05:07 chris_n2 indeed... very black
05:07 Genji Beware of the Voodoo.
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05:45 indradg @wunder Kolkata
05:45 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 23.0�C (10:50 AM IST on December 21, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling).
05:49 Amit hi indradg
05:49 indradg Amit, hiya!
05:53 Genji Would a mismatch in versioning of LibXML compiled for 20706 but libxml2 runtime is 20702, cause a zebra indexing/search fail?
05:54 Genji looks like it would be impossible downgrading libxml2 without uninstallling a lot of other stuff.
05:57 Genji is it possible to swap versions of libxml2 without uninstalling/reinstalling everything?
06:35 chris_n2 g'night koha
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06:52 Amit heya nicomo
06:53 nicomo hi Amit
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08:41 chris evening
08:43 Ropuch Hi chris
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09:19 Genji chris, you awake still?
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09:32 hdl_laptop chris : hi
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09:33 CGI887 anybody out there?
09:33 CGI887 i'm a complete noob just messing with the virtual machine Koha dist.
09:34 CGI887 wanna know how to change the staff interface password for "kohaadmin"
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09:43 CGI887 690 you there?
09:43 CGI690 Is there a simple tutorial on how to use Koha to create a very simple library system for an existing library with very basic cataloguing, and for someone who is NOT a library expert, nor a data base expert?
09:44 CGI887 sounds like you and I are both noobs.  :)  i'm trying to figure out how to change kohaadmin password
09:45 CGI690 I did find a link for that, but it is really quite complicated. I did find what the default password and just decided to go with it for a start
09:47 CGI690 I have scanned the physical cards, which contain relatively little information: catalog number (in a simple format, not Dewey, MARC or any standard form), title, author(s), brief description, publisher and that is about it!
09:48 CGI887 you are beyond me... ive figured out how to manually add items using isbn search... thats it
09:48 CGI690 I have this information in tables under major headings (like fiction, youth, etc.). The tables are in OpenOffice Text format.
09:49 CGI690 I haven't even figured out how to manually add items. For a lot of material in the library, I cannot even find the ISBN.
09:53 hdl_laptop CGI887: to change kohaadmin password.
09:54 hdl_laptop you have to change the mysql apssword for kohaadmin.
09:54 CGI690[…]3-admin-password/ is a link for how to change the kohaadmin password. I have not tried it.
09:54 hdl_laptop And report the change in koha-conf.xml
09:55 hdl_laptop CGI690 :koha can only import iso2709 or MARCXML so no XL spreadsheet.
09:55 hdl_laptop To convert your data, see the wiki and look for  MarcEdit
09:57 CGI690 Is it OK to leave most of the fields blank in MARC records? I don't have much of the data available for most of the fields in a MARC record
10:05 CGI887 ok, still stuck... on virtual machine I cannot get a root shell because of control panel that is tied to root account
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10:06 CGI887 change of password seems to require root perms
10:08 CGI887 should read... change of sql password seems to require root perms.
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10:45 CGI952 koha on debian etch: failing at this point: Starting Zebraqueue Daemon/usr/share/koha/bin/ line 26: daemon: command not found could somebody help
10:48 CGI952 amit??
10:52 CGI952 cud somebody clarify on the last post regarding koha on debian etch
10:53 Ropuch CGI952: sudo aptitude install daemon
10:53 Ropuch (from what you pasted it seems you;re missing daemon)
10:55 CGI952 sudo update-rc.d koha-zebraqueue-daemon defaults ; this i executed first
10:56 CGI952 and then i did this  sudo /usr/share/koha/bin/ start for which command not found error i got..
10:56 CGI952 ropuch...
10:59 CGI952 i did try the command u gave it doesnt solve the error
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11:03 CGI952 ropuch: i m able to go thru that step now...once i exec the zebraqueue start command. the daemon gets started..but i try accessing the page via the not found...kindly clarify...i have been with this for a long time now...kindly help...
11:05 CGI952 could somebody c larify......i am thru the six steps of debian install of koha....when i try accessing the page via the browser page not found...
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11:23 CGI021 anasha koha on debian etch.... not able to access the opac or intranet pages...kindly help...
11:23 zico hi
11:23 zico i have installed koha-3.0.5
11:23 zico the problem i had been facing is gone... thanks
11:23 zico :)
11:24 zico double biblio problem, multiple holdings physical items not showing... and other
11:24 zico :)
11:24 CGI021 zico
11:24 zico but.. now.. i am facing another problem in koha-3.0.5
11:24 CGI021 cud u clarify..
11:25 zico the thing is... when i go for label printing....  and...   when... i press "Add item(s) to batch" ... no window comes...
11:25 CGI021 ropcuh.....i m not able to access the opac or intra pages...
11:25 zico CGI021: yes!
11:25 CGI021 zico...i m not able to access the opac or intra pages...till 6th step of INSTALL.debian went on well...
11:27 CGI021 zico...i m not able to access the opac or intra pages...till 6th step of INSTALL.debian went on well...
11:27 zico CGI021: what did you put in your "servername" ?
11:27 CGI021 http:<localhost> also tried with the ip.... doesnt workk..
11:28 CGI021 zico..
11:30 CGI021 cud somebody clarify on access of opac/intra pages...the correct syntax....
11:31 CGI021 zico
11:31 CGI021 zico u there??
11:31 zico CGI021: put
11:31 zico or...
11:33 CGI021 with 0.0.1 page not found and 0.1.1 request not allowed....
11:33 CGI021 i mean connection refused...
11:34 CGI021 ropcuh...
11:34 zico what is your machine ip?
11:34 CGI021 laurence??
11:35 CGI021
11:35 CGI021 zico...
11:36 zico did you modify your virtualhost?
11:36 CGI021 no
11:37 CGI021 i did add the lines listen 80 and 8080 to the file mentione during installation.
11:38 zico no... do another thing
11:38 CGI021 YEP...
11:38 CGI021 zico...
11:38 zico go to /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha
11:38 CGI021 ok
11:39 CGI021 i have opened the file....
11:39 zico there.. you will find two lines named "<VirtualHost>" ... and "<VirtualHost>"
11:39 zico put your machine ip there instead of ""
11:39 zico then... restart apache2 with /etc/init.d/apache2 restar
11:40 CGI021 ok i shall try and get back...
11:40 zico clear your web browser cache and put your address in address bar
11:40 zico say... my OPAC is :
11:41 zico and... Staff Interace:
11:41 zico hope this may help you
11:43 CGI021 now i guess it connects..but not able to open the PL file...
11:43 CGI021 and when i try the intranet page....koha error...
11:44 CGI021 so my perl modules are not installed properly or what?
11:44 zico what koha error shows?
11:44 zico i means... are there any other messages there?
11:45 CGI021 The following fatal error has occurred:Can't locate in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 85.BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/ line 85.Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/
11:45 CGI021 and when i try to open the opac page...browser says it does not know how to open the file...(PL) file...
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11:47 zico u need to install ZOOM from cpan
11:50 zico there anyone who can tell about Koha-3.0.5 label printing problem? :)
11:51 zico i need it badly! :)
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12:51 chris_n2 @wunder 28334
12:51 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is -3.0�C (7:40 AM EST on December 21, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Rising).
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13:27 chris_n2 @later tell zico check popup blockers... labels in 3.0.5 works fine here
13:27 munin chris_n2: The operation succeeded.
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13:51 owen Hello all non-vacationing Koha worker drones
13:52 paul_p2 hello owen.
13:52 hdl_laptop hi owen.
13:52 paul_p2 "no vacation for brave people !!!"
13:53 owen Do people usually take vacation around Christmas in France?
13:53 paul_p2 owen: yes, libraries often have 1 or even 2 weeks.
13:54 owen The schools do here, but not libraries
13:55 jwagner Hello to all from blizzard-bound DC.
13:55 owen Hi jwagner, how's your recuperation going?
13:56 jwagner Pretty good.  I'm mostly off the painkillers which makes for better concentration but perhaps less imagination :-)
13:56 jwagner Still getting around the house in a wheelchair, but I can put some weight on the foot now.
13:57 owen But no sympathy for being house-bound while everyone else is too?
13:57 jwagner Well, even if they closed the office today I'd probably be working.  No excuse if you're already set up to telework....
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13:58 jwagner But the federal government is shut down.  The apocalypse is nigh....
14:00 nengard hi all - no vaca for me either :) but we are dug out and so hubby's school was open today so he had to go to work
14:00 nengard more bug wrangling this AM
14:01 nengard now on to documentation again :)
14:01 jwagner nengard++ for all the bug wrangling
14:01 owen No inbox zero for me today, not with all of nengard's bug wrangling ;)
14:01 nengard thanks jwagner - unfortunatly there are still a lot left open :(
14:02 jwagner I've been wondering if nengard was aiming to hit the top of the listserv statistics :-)
14:02 nengard LOL - there are listserv stats?
14:02 nengard nope - just doing what I was asked to do :)
14:02 nengard also - I want to find bugs I can actually fix so I keep reading through the bugs
14:04 jwagner Is there any help or hint file on bugzilla?  I haven't been able to figure out how to set up some reports.  I'd like to see all the entries where I'm cc'd, for example.
14:06 nengard clicking the Search link gives you lots of options
14:07 nengard sorry - clicking the Search Link and then the Advanced Search Tab
14:07 nengard at the bottom you can choose to see items with a specific CC
14:07 nengard jwagner:[…]1&format=advanced
14:10 jwagner Aha!  Hadn't found that page.  I was trying to do something similar with those fields in a report, but it kept complaining.
14:10 jwagner Thanks.  That's going to help.
14:11 hilongo Hello everyone ... glad to see I'm not only one without vacations :)
14:12 jwagner Nope, we're all hard at work.  (For some variable definitions of "hard" and "work" that is)
14:13 hilongo very variable indeed :)
14:13 Ropuch Wow, All tests successful. Result: PASS in 3.0.5 make test
14:13 Ropuch Hello everybody :)
14:14 jwagner Hi Ropuch
14:14 hilongo Great!
14:15 owen Re: Bug 2739, why would you have a patron with no name?
14:16 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2739 normal, P3, ---,, NEW, OPAC Welcome Breaks if No First Name Avail
14:16 * owen wonders why he even asks himself these questions
14:18 jwagner Staff ID maybe?  We always set up dummy names even for those.  Sounds like it's not really breaking, just displaying funny.
14:18 hilongo I have a bunch of patron without name ... from an import run where I was unable to separate firstnames from surnames ...
14:18 chris_n2 g'morning all
14:19 jwagner good morning chris_n2 -- much snow down your way?
14:19 chris_n2 vacation here has to wait until next week
14:19 chris_n2 jwagner: none here actually... 30 some inches at my parents in Madison VA (nearer to you)
14:19 chris_n2 the children were very disappointed here :-(
14:20 jwagner I'll bet.  They're delighted here.  At least one school system has already cancelled classes until after the first of the year.
14:21 chris_n2 yeah, we're headed to the Blue Ridge in VA next week... maybe we'll get snowed in ;-)
14:21 * chris_n2 can hardly wait to get to a place where the internet and phone cannot find him
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14:21 hilongo Over here the kids are always 'snow-disappointed' this time of the year ... cause it's summer but all the christmas 'propaganda' is snowy  :P
14:22 owen I want a place where the internet and phone can't find me...but I can find them ;)
14:22 jwagner Nope, they're talking about rain for Christmas day in the DC area, at least. Blue Ridge will probably be about the same.
14:22 jwagner owen, for that situation I highly recommend a cruise ship :-)  They can't reach you, but if you're really desperate (and willing to spend the exorbitant Internet access fees) you can reach them.
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14:23 chris_n2 owen: lol
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14:23 owen hilongo: Interesting case. Are you left manually correcting those patrons?
14:23 * chris_n2 's 3 year old is laughing at the smileys in his irc client
14:25 nengard owen - delayed response re the bug - but if first name isn't required for some reason it's pretty easy to have that field blank ...
14:25 hilongo owen: Yes. First we tried to leave the first word as a surname and the rest as the name ...
14:26 hilongo but that had to be 'reviewed' manually anyway
14:27 owen Does Cher use her local public library? How do they handle it?
14:27 nengard hehe
14:27 hilongo haha
14:27 hilongo just like Maddona ... I guess  :)
14:29 owen Actually, looks like that bug has been taken care of. "Welcome, Cher | Log Out"
14:29 owen "Hello, Cher (Click here if you're not Cher)"
14:32 owen ...although the bug is assigned to "rel_3_0." hdl_laptop: How should we be handling such bugs? It could be something that affects 3.0.x
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14:39 hilongo I have v. 3.01 and Madonna looks nice ...
14:39 nengard the bug was regarding a missing First name
14:39 hilongo Hello, Madonna (Click here if you're not Sra Madonna)
14:39 nengard not a missing Surname
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15:22 owen nengard: I notice in your screenshot for bug 3900 that your "subscription started on" date is missing. I have that same problem.
15:22 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3900 enhancement, P5, ---,, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Serial Info in Opac Needs View Tabs
15:23 nengard hmmm - must be a display bug I didn't notice before
15:23 nengard you fixing it with bug 3900? or should i put in a new bug?
15:23 owen When I look at the information stored in the subscriptionhistory table I find that histstartdate is empty for everything
15:24 owen Can you check your data to confirm?
15:24 owen I'm just investigating. If it's an easy fix I'll roll it into the fix for 3900/3376
15:25 owen (I guess it's not an easy fix if the data isn't getting into the database)
15:27 owen Wait, what's the difference between "start date" and "history start date" ?
15:27 nengard owen - just a sec
15:27 nengard no clue what the dif is
15:28 owen serials/ lists both in the subscription summary table
15:28 nengard and are they both showing?
15:29 owen start date and end date are filled, history start date and history end date are empty
15:29 nengard owen - i see the same thing - i think we need a serials bug for this -
15:29 nengard i'll include our chat
15:30 owen I do notice that "histstartdate" and "histenddate" are fields  that are part of the "manual history" entry form, but they're labeled "subscription start date" and "subscription end date"
15:31 nengard Bug 3982 submitted
15:31 munin Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3982 normal, P5, ---,, NEW, History Start Date Not Populated
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15:33 rhcl @seen wizzyrea
15:33 munin rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 days, 16 hours, 38 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> aside: I love
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15:36 rhcl @seen chris
15:36 munin rhcl: chris was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 54 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <chris> evening
15:36 rhcl @seen chris_n
15:36 munin rhcl: chris_n was last seen in #koha 2 days, 11 hours, 15 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <chris_n> @later tell wizzyrea: open an enhancement request for that option and I'll add it to my ever growing list :-)
15:37 rhcl @seen anybody
15:37 munin rhcl: I have not seen anybody.
15:37 chris_n rhcl: here now
15:37 * owen waves his arms and asks munin if he can see him now
15:37 chris_n hehe
15:38 rhcl Wasn't it you that posted the note about Stephen Abram over the weekend? I'm just now starting to read the articles in American Libraries.  Quite interesting happenings going on I think.
15:38 chris_n I must confess: it was not I
15:38 chris_n but I'd be interested in the link
15:39 rhcl It's up above somewhere...I'll look.
15:40 owen "brendan @llater tell chris stephen abram no longer with Sirsi-Dynix. he's gone back to publishing"
15:40 rhcl Ah, I don't have the logs on this computer.
15:40 rhcl Have "you all" read the American Libraries" articles?
15:40 chris_n interesting
15:41 * chris_n gives firefox its obligatory bi-weekly restart
15:46 rhcl Interesting Marshal Breeding comment:
15:46 rhcl "A ne front has developed in the competition among library automation alternative vendors, who are racing to open up software and allow libraries more access to their data and internal functionality.?
15:46 rhcl sed s/ne/new
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15:54 owen What's the difference between a subscription's "First issue publication date" and its "Subscription start date" ?
15:55 nengard owen  that i can tell you :)
15:55 nengard the first issue pub date is the issue you have in hand when you add the subscription
15:55 nengard it's the one you base all your predictions on
15:55 nengard the sub start date is for the date your subscirption starts with the vendor
15:55 nengard that way you know when you have to renew your subscrption
15:55 nengard all that is in the manual btw :)
15:59 owen The manual needs to be converted into a chat bot ;)
15:59 owen Thanks nengard
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16:04 chris_n owen-away: excellent idea... I'll do that right after <BOTTOM_ELEMENT_OF_FILO_BUFFER_GOES_HERE>
16:14 wizzyrea owen: omg, having the manual as a chat bot... that makes me weep with happiness (or would, if we had that)
16:14 wizzyrea something like @manual acquisitions
16:14 wizzyrea hawt
16:14 wizzyrea it's XML, could probably be done
16:15 jwagner But it wouldn't have the screenshots....
16:15 wizzyrea more like links to the pages
16:16 wizzyrea jwagner: how's the foot?
16:16 jwagner Doing better.  I'm pretty much off the painkillers now, but still using the wheelchair to get around.
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16:18 jwagner One of the advantages of working from home is that the soundtrack is better.  This morning has been a mixture of Pete Seeger/Arlo Guthrie and Bruce Springsteen.
16:18 wizzyrea niiice
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16:18 wizzyrea it's a good time to be snowed in :)
16:19 jwagner If I listen to music in the office, I make sure to keep it all instrumental, like classical or George Winston or Mannheim Steamroller.  Otherwise I'll start singing along, which might disturb other folks in my corridor.
16:20 hilongo haha .. I guess they are missing your songs now !  ;)
16:20 jwagner But at least I didn't have to struggle with the commute this morning!
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16:50 nengard owen wizzyrea - once the manual is in XML i bet it would be easier to bring in sections of it :)
16:50 nengard sorry - delayed reaction ...
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17:05 chris morning peeps
17:06 wizzyrea mornin chris
17:07 paul_p hi chris & wizzyrea & nengard !
17:08 nengard hi paul_p
17:08 paul_p raining in Marseille, just when I plan to go back home with my bike :'(
17:08 nengard well paul, that's better than the 20 inches of snow we have here ;)
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17:12 chris @wunder wellington nz
17:12 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0�C (5:00 AM NZDT on December 22, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady).
17:17 chris hmmm
17:18 chris[…]-nz-colour-latest
17:18 chris looks like it might be a nice day
17:23 slef phrrrp
17:23 slef @wunder weston-super-mare somerset
17:23 munin slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 0.0�C (5:21 PM GMT on December 21, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.09 in 985.0 hPa (Steady).
17:24 slef paul_p: I punctured in sub-zero weather last week. Not fun. It held enough to get home.
17:32 nengard owen about?
17:32 nengard wizzyrea you good with css?
17:32 owen Yes, for another minute
17:32 nengard ooo
17:32 nengard nevermind wizzyrea
17:34 chris burn!!!
17:34 wizzyrea *sob*
17:34 chris hehe
17:34 wizzyrea ;)
17:34 nengard awwwww
17:34 nengard i'm so sorry!! you can help me too if you want :)
17:34 wizzyrea j/k I wub u
17:34 nengard wub u too
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17:47 rhcl Is there a sysop that can kick rhcl1 (I'm logged on at home)?
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18:59 richard hi
19:02 Ropuch Hi
19:09 chris_n Hi
19:10 nengard hi
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19:25 wizzyrea chris_n: I wonder what browser zico is using to access his labels
19:25 wizzyrea (er try to)
19:25 wizzyrea what browser are you using?
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19:28 chris_n wizzyrea: Mozilla
19:28 chris_n is there another browser?
19:28 chris_n ;-)
19:28 Ropuch ;>
19:28 wizzyrea ^.^
19:29 wizzyrea It just seems like the kind of thing that screams "busted browser" to me
19:29 wizzyrea popups blocked, too aggressive security settings
19:29 wizzyrea something
19:30 wizzyrea is anyone here familiar with the kohatools from
19:30 chris_n right, I tried to suggest to him to look at popup blocking settings
19:30 wizzyrea kyle's report module, specifically
19:31 wizzyrea dollars to donuts he's doing it in IE
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19:32 chris_n wouldn't be surprised.... I had to ditch IE on my cataloger's computers
19:32 chris_n too many quarks
19:32 Chaos I'm so ridiculously bored tonight
19:32 Chaos and I have a toothache
19:33 owen chris_n: "had to?"
19:33 * owen is more than happy to ditch it at every opportunity
19:34 * chris_n agrees with that sentiment whole heartedly
19:34 chris_n nothing delights me more on a win32 system than to set Firefox as the default browser
19:34 wizzyrea hehe
19:34 wizzyrea you know what we do in our libraries
19:34 chris_n well.... one thing is more delightful...
19:34 Chaos cough elinks cough
19:34 wizzyrea we set the firefox icon to the big blue E
19:34 wizzyrea >.>
19:34 chilts :)
19:35 chilts good on you!
19:35 chris_n removing win32 and installing *nix tops the list of delightful computer experiences
19:35 wizzyrea truth.
19:35 chris_n lol
19:36 wizzyrea we leave IE installed, because the government still requires it sometimes for forms and stuff
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19:36 wizzyrea but we put FF on the desktop with the big blue E
19:36 Chaos removing win32, installing *nix, and customizing x11 to look EXACTLY like windows so they don't realize ANYTHING happened, should be the fun part
19:36 wizzyrea we get very few complaints
19:36 wizzyrea chaos, also fun
19:37 nengard time for me to talk to CA librarians about the real Koha - be back on later
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19:37 wizzyrea Will the real Koha please stand up
19:40 Chaos ya'll act like you never seen a gpl project before
19:42 Chaos I was going ot try to go weird al with it but that's all I got
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20:41 chris_n grr.... FF crashes for the second time today
20:41 chris_n howdy pianohacker
20:41 pianohacker Hi, chris_n
20:42 chris_n how are you
20:42 pianohacker Might disappear, internet connection has been weird today
20:42 pianohacker Other than that, great
20:42 pianohacker you?
20:45 Ropuch Hello chris_n, pianohacker
20:46 pianohacker Hi, Ropuch
20:47 chris_n pianohacker: its been the sort of day that results in things like broken fingers
20:47 pianohacker Oh, crap! What happened?
20:48 * chris_n 's oldest son tore the skin completely off of the pad of his left middle finger
20:48 chris_n ouch^2
20:48 janewagner Yeowwwcchhhh
20:48 chris_n massively painful injury
20:48 pianohacker grah. I've gotten really bad hand wounds like that before, all those never endings
20:48 janewagner I can believe it.
20:48 chris_n although not bad on the whole scale of things
20:49 pianohacker *nerve endings
20:49 chris_n yeah
20:49 janewagner speaking of broken fingers, how are yours, pianohacker?
20:49 chris_n it took an narcotic to finally deaden the pain
20:49 pianohacker janewagner: Great, actually :P
20:49 pianohacker chris_n: Blurgh, so sorry
20:49 chris_n the bone was not crushed, however, and the finger was not "de-gloved"
20:49 janewagner chris_n, he's going to have a lot of pain for a good many days.
20:50 chris_n which would have required skin grafts
20:50 pianohacker Gah, "de-gloved", short but very vivid word
20:50 chris_n janewagner" I'm sure
20:50 chris_n yup... sends shivers up my spine
20:51 janewagner Hope he's not left-handed.  I've had injuries to fingers on my right hand & found it impossible to do anything because my normal grip/hand-action always hit the spot.
20:51 chris_n he's right-handed fortunately
20:51 janewagner One small mercy....
20:51 chris_n seems he's looking at about 5 or 6 weeks
20:51 chris_n right now infection is the only concern
20:52 chris_n he had MSRA last year... so the doctors is wanting to watch this closely
20:52 chris_n MRSA even
20:52 pianohacker Yeah, definitely a danger with that bad a wound
20:54 chris_n but, there is much to be thankful for as the injury could have been much worse
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21:06 chris_n time to go home, bbl
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21:14 nengard just got asked a question I wasn't sure of - can you catalog in chinese and japanese characters in koha?
21:14 pianohacker You should be able to, as long as your database is set up for UTF8
21:14 pianohacker Dunno how well Zebra will handle it, but it should work
21:15 nengard anyone know how well zebra will handle chinese and japanese characters?
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21:24 Ropuch nengard: zebra handles hebrew pretty well, so i guess there should be no problem with chinese or japanese
21:25 nengard thanks!
21:26 Ropuch nengard:
21:26 Ropuch kf's catalog
21:26 chris_n any reason this should not work: my $card_number = GetMember($borrower_number)->{'cardnumber'};
21:28 pianohacker chris_n: Not that I can think of. You could try a plain GetMember in a perl -de 1 session to see what the result wase
21:28 pianohacker *was
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21:29 chris_n pianohacker: I'm getting complaints to this effect: Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference
21:29 chris_n I'll try your suggestion and see what's up
21:29 pianohacker Then GetMember's definitely screwy
21:29 Ropuch nengard: and can perform zebra search with Marathi / Hindi / Telugu / Kannada alphabet
21:30 pianohacker the perl debugger is really handy because you can run things like s GetMember($borrower_number), step through the function and see what's up. Much easier than throwing in a ton of warns
21:30 nengard thanks
21:30 chris chris_n: GetMember has changed in master
21:30 chris it takes a hash as input
21:30 chris_n oh, fun
21:30 chris_n when?
21:31 chris my ( %information ) = @_;
21:31 chris just recently
21:31 * chris_n missed that and that accounts for the error
21:31 chris_n tnx
21:31 chris so Getmember('cardnumber' => $cardnumber );
21:32 chris lets you do borrowernumber, cardnumber, surname .. whatever
21:32 chris_n cool
21:33 chris (or combo of them
21:33 chris_n fantastic! back in business
21:33 chris cool
21:34 chris nengard: yes there are libraries in taiwan and mainland china cataloguing in chinese
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21:34 chris sup chris_n
21:35 nengard thanks chris
21:35 chris hmm sup chilts
21:35 chilts ola!
21:35 chris tab completion fail
21:35 chilts heh, yeah, I decided on chilts instead of pie :)
21:35 chilts how's it? you sunning yourself in this basking weather
21:35 chilts @wunder Wellington, NZ
21:35 munin chilts: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on December 22, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady).
21:35 chris just got back from the airport, picking up laurel's dad
21:35 chilts wow, scorching 15°C !
21:36 chris hehe yeah its at least 17
21:36 chilts heh, you're living at the airport at the moment
21:36 pianohacker ...
21:36 pianohacker @wunder 81212
21:36 munin pianohacker: The current temperature in Franklin Ave - Downtown, Canon City, Colorado is 16.8�C (2:31 PM MST on December 21, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady).
21:36 chris_n @wunder 28334
21:36 pianohacker It's _warmer_ here? What the hell?
21:36 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 8.0�C (4:20 PM EST on December 21, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Falling).
21:36 * chilts likes @wunder
21:38 * chris_n tears himself away from coding and heads home for real this time ;-)
21:38 chris_n bbl
21:42 chris chilts: i made a couple of template changes, and a new section on the kohacon site
21:43 chilts sweet :)
21:43 * chilts looks
21:44 chris nengard: the test manual is using the new css now too
21:44 chilts chris: so I think I need links from the sections/nodes in the admin interface, to open the pages up too :)
21:44 chris yeah that would be handy
21:45 chilts not sure the best way yet (anyway, we'll talk somewhere else or we'll hijack #koha) :D
21:45 chris :-)
21:45 chris all the northern hemispherites will go to sleep soon anyway :)
21:46 chilts heh
21:47 owen *yawn*
21:51 nengard chris - as in the new css i put up in my last push?
21:51 chris yup
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21:51 chris as of 10 mins ago
21:59 nengard thanks chris - can i just say i'm annoyed with the xml to html converter
21:59 nengard it's putting in stuff i don't want in there
21:59 Ropuch Is it normal that HEAD hasn't been updated in three weeks?
21:59 nengard extra <p> tags and stuff
22:00 owen Ropuch: These days it is normal, as our 3.2 Release Manager is very busy
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22:01 Ropuch But i can see patches form list merged with koha-biblibre.git
22:01 owen gmcharlt: I suggest you start soliciting bribes. I will be first in line. PayPal? Amazon wish list?
22:01 Ropuch Are those two to be merged together?
22:01 Ropuch ;>
22:02 chris @later tell nengard you just have to make an xslt stylesheet then, it converts how it is told to convert
22:02 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
22:03 owen chris: "just" ? :)
22:03 pianohacker XSLT and "just" should never go in the same sentence
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22:04 chris hehe well there are piles to choose from, its more just changing the rules for the attributes you dont want
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22:10 chris ok im gonna walk down the hill and watch avatar
22:10 chris bbl
22:12 chilts have fun!
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23:05 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt
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23:35 chris_n2 hdl_laptop: why does C4::SQLHelper=>InsertInTable do an INSERT rather than an INSERT ... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE?
23:36 chris_n2 this causes a problem for the script when overwriting an existing record I think
23:36 chris_n2 rather
23:37 hdl_laptop either file a bug or send a patch.
23:37 chris_n2 so you have no problem with that change?
23:37 hdl_laptop Any improvement welcome.
23:37 chris_n2 great, patch on the way
23:38 hdl_laptop chris_n2 My question is : would we want that behavior as default ?
23:38 chris_n2 hdl_laptop: it probably depends on how many places in the code expect to be able to overwrite an existing record by calling the InsertInTable function
23:39 hdl_laptop Or should we raise rather an error when trying to INSERT duplicate information
23:40 chris_n2 the behavior of probably should be corrected rather
23:40 * chris_n2 looks at the script again
23:40 hdl_laptop I donot know many places where the default behaviour is to overwrite an existing row with a new one
23:41 hdl_laptop My philosophy is do one thing but do it well.
23:43 hdl_laptop But as I said, if it is not expected to get an error when trying to insert a duplicate row then we should have such fail over set.
23:43 hdl_laptop Or at least a way to enable that.
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23:51 chris_n2 hdl_laptop: the problem is with so I'll fix that
23:51 hdl_laptop chris_n2++
23:51 chris_n2 although I agree with the need for returning an error
23:51 * chris_n2 cannot see the bottom of his list to add that item to it atm ;-)

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