Time Nick Message 03:32 Genji Hi, im back. anyone alive? 03:33 Genji Would a mismatch in versioning of LibXML compiled for 706 but libxml2 runtime is 702, cause a zebra indexing/search fail? 03:34 Genji Would it cause icu.xml to fail to read? 03:44 Amit hi brendan, chris 03:44 Amit good morning #koha 03:59 Genji hiya Amit. 03:59 Genji Would a mismatch in versioning of LibXML compiled for 706 but libxml2 runtime is 702, cause a zebra indexing/search fail? 03:59 Genji Would it cause icu.xml to fail to read? 03:59 Amit heya Genji 04:01 Genji What do you think, Amit? 04:01 Amit your LibXML version 04:02 Genji how do i get that? 04:02 Amit what os r u using? 04:02 Genji Centos 04:03 Genji 5.something 04:03 Amit have u installed by rpm or CPAN package? 04:04 Genji unsure. I uninstalled LibXML via CPANPLUS, and reinstalled.. to see if the mismatch would disappear. Nope. 04:04 Amit u can installed by RPM package 04:05 Genji Oh? okay. whats the rpm? 04:06 Amit perl-XML-LibXML 04:16 Genji no package perl-XML-LibXML availab.e 04:16 Genji hmm.. guess i have to search for it. 04:22 Genji how do i know from uname -a if i have 64 bit or not? 04:25 Genji 2.6.18-164.el5PAE #1 SMP Thu Sep 3 04:10:44 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux is 64 or 32 bit? 04:27 Amit yum search perl-XML-LibXML 04:29 Genji nevermind.. got it. 04:29 Genji rpmforging on. 04:35 Genji oh... this isn't good. now yum update says that kernel.i686 is set to be erased! 04:36 Genji oh.. a new kernel is set to be installed.... 04:47 brendan hello amit 04:55 chris_n2 @wunder 28334 04:55 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is -2.0�C (11:53 PM EST on December 20, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008.0 hPa (Steady). 04:55 chris_n2 @wunder 22727 04:55 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Madison Cnty; 3 miles NE Haywood, Haywood, Virginia is -4.0�C (11:50 PM EST on December 20, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -4.0�C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Rising). 04:56 * chris_n2 notes that 22727 is currently under about 30 some inches of snow 04:57 chris_n2 and wonders back off into LEK purgatory 04:58 Amit heya chris_n2 04:58 chris_n2 howdy Amit 04:58 Amit everything is fine 04:59 chris_n2 heh... as fine as can be trying to code with both hands tied behind my back and one foot too, I think 05:01 Genji hmm, chris_n2? Your Liblime developer? 05:02 Genji @quote search chris_n2 05:02 munin Genji: No matching quotes were found. 05:03 chris_n2 Genji: no... I was once upon a time in a galaxy far far away... now I'm just contracted by a third party to attempt to do some magical foo interfacing LEK with some other software 05:04 chris_n2 Genji: btw chris_n2 = chris_n = fbcit so on and so forth 05:06 Genji magical foo getting LEK to play nice, sounds like black magic. 05:07 chris_n2 indeed... very black 05:07 Genji Beware of the Voodoo. 05:45 indradg @wunder Kolkata 05:45 munin indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 23.0�C (10:50 AM IST on December 21, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Falling). 05:49 Amit hi indradg 05:49 indradg Amit, hiya! 05:53 Genji Would a mismatch in versioning of LibXML compiled for 20706 but libxml2 runtime is 20702, cause a zebra indexing/search fail? 05:54 Genji looks like it would be impossible downgrading libxml2 without uninstallling a lot of other stuff. 05:57 Genji is it possible to swap versions of libxml2 without uninstalling/reinstalling everything? 06:35 chris_n2 g'night koha 06:52 Amit heya nicomo 06:53 nicomo hi Amit 07:16 Ropuch Morning #koha 08:33 CGI781 test 08:41 chris evening 08:43 Ropuch Hi chris 09:19 Genji chris, you awake still? 09:32 hdl_laptop chris : hi 09:33 CGI887 anybody out there? 09:33 CGI887 i'm a complete noob just messing with the virtual machine Koha dist. 09:34 CGI887 wanna know how to change the staff interface password for "kohaadmin" 09:43 CGI887 690 you there? 09:43 CGI690 Is there a simple tutorial on how to use Koha to create a very simple library system for an existing library with very basic cataloguing, and for someone who is NOT a library expert, nor a data base expert? 09:44 CGI887 sounds like you and I are both noobs. :) i'm trying to figure out how to change kohaadmin password 09:45 CGI690 I did find a link for that, but it is really quite complicated. I did find what the default password and just decided to go with it for a start 09:47 CGI690 I have scanned the physical cards, which contain relatively little information: catalog number (in a simple format, not Dewey, MARC or any standard form), title, author(s), brief description, publisher and that is about it! 09:48 CGI887 you are beyond me... ive figured out how to manually add items using isbn search... thats it 09:48 CGI690 I have this information in tables under major headings (like fiction, youth, etc.). The tables are in OpenOffice Text format. 09:49 CGI690 I haven't even figured out how to manually add items. For a lot of material in the library, I cannot even find the ISBN. 09:53 hdl_laptop CGI887: to change kohaadmin password. 09:54 hdl_laptop you have to change the mysql apssword for kohaadmin. 09:54 CGI690 http://blog.chadwollenberg.com/2009/01/26/change-kohan-3-admin-password/ is a link for how to change the kohaadmin password. I have not tried it. 09:54 hdl_laptop And report the change in koha-conf.xml 09:55 hdl_laptop CGI690 :koha can only import iso2709 or MARCXML so no XL spreadsheet. 09:55 hdl_laptop To convert your data, see the wiki and look for MarcEdit 09:57 CGI690 Is it OK to leave most of the fields blank in MARC records? I don't have much of the data available for most of the fields in a MARC record 10:05 CGI887 ok, still stuck... on virtual machine I cannot get a root shell because of control panel that is tied to root account 10:06 CGI887 change of password seems to require root perms 10:08 CGI887 should read... change of sql password seems to require root perms. 10:08 CGI887 says something about "cannot turn off login. access denied, you need SUPER priv for this op" 10:45 CGI952 koha on debian etch: failing at this point: Starting Zebraqueue Daemon/usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebraqueue-ctl.sh: line 26: daemon: command not found could somebody help 10:48 CGI952 amit?? 10:52 CGI952 cud somebody clarify on the last post regarding koha on debian etch 10:53 Ropuch CGI952: sudo aptitude install daemon 10:53 Ropuch (from what you pasted it seems you;re missing daemon) 10:55 CGI952 sudo update-rc.d koha-zebraqueue-daemon defaults ; this i executed first 10:56 CGI952 and then i did this sudo /usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebraqueue-ctl.sh start for which command not found error i got.. 10:56 CGI952 ropuch... 10:59 CGI952 i did try the command u gave it doesnt solve the error 11:03 CGI952 ropuch: i m able to go thru that step now...once i exec the zebraqueue start command. the daemon gets started..but i try accessing the page via the browser....page not found...kindly clarify...i have been with this for a long time now...kindly help... 11:05 CGI952 could somebody c larify......i am thru the six steps of debian install of koha....when i try accessing the page via the browser page not found... 11:23 CGI021 anasha koha on debian etch.... not able to access the opac or intranet pages...kindly help... 11:23 zico hi 11:23 zico i have installed koha-3.0.5 11:23 zico the problem i had been facing is gone... thanks 11:23 zico :) 11:24 zico double biblio problem, multiple holdings physical items not showing... and other 11:24 zico :) 11:24 CGI021 zico 11:24 zico but.. now.. i am facing another problem in koha-3.0.5 11:24 CGI021 cud u clarify.. 11:25 zico the thing is... when i go for label printing.... and... when... i press "Add item(s) to batch" ... no window comes... 11:25 CGI021 ropcuh.....i m not able to access the opac or intra pages... 11:25 zico CGI021: yes! 11:25 CGI021 zico...i m not able to access the opac or intra pages...till 6th step of INSTALL.debian went on well... 11:27 CGI021 zico...i m not able to access the opac or intra pages...till 6th step of INSTALL.debian went on well... 11:27 zico CGI021: what did you put in your "servername" ? 11:27 CGI021 http:<localhost> also tried with the ip.... doesnt workk.. 11:28 CGI021 zico.. 11:30 CGI021 cud somebody clarify on access of opac/intra pages...the correct syntax.... 11:31 CGI021 zico 11:31 CGI021 zico u there?? 11:31 zico CGI021: put http://127.0.0.1:8080/ 11:31 zico or... http://127.0.1.1:8080/ 11:33 CGI021 with 0.0.1 page not found and 0.1.1 request not allowed.... 11:33 CGI021 i mean connection refused... 11:34 CGI021 ropcuh... 11:34 zico what is your machine ip? 11:34 CGI021 laurence?? 11:35 CGI021 10.93.242.216 11:35 CGI021 zico... 11:36 zico did you modify your virtualhost? 11:36 CGI021 no 11:37 CGI021 i did add the lines listen 80 and 8080 to the file mentione during installation. 11:38 zico no... do another thing 11:38 CGI021 YEP... 11:38 CGI021 zico... 11:38 zico go to /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha 11:38 CGI021 ok 11:39 CGI021 i have opened the file.... 11:39 zico there.. you will find two lines named "<VirtualHost 127.0.1.1:80>" ... and "<VirtualHost 127.0.1.1:8080>" 11:39 zico put your machine ip there instead of "127.0.1.1" 11:39 zico then... restart apache2 with /etc/init.d/apache2 restar 11:40 CGI021 ok i shall try and get back... 11:40 zico clear your web browser cache and put your address in address bar 11:40 zico say... my OPAC is : http://192.168.1.54/ 11:41 zico and... Staff Interace: http://192.168.1.54:8080/ 11:41 zico hope this may help you 11:43 CGI021 now i guess it connects..but not able to open the PL file... 11:43 CGI021 and when i try the intranet page....koha error... 11:44 CGI021 so my perl modules are not installed properly or what? 11:44 zico what koha error shows? 11:44 zico i means... are there any other messages there? 11:45 CGI021 The following fatal error has occurred:Can't locate ZOOM.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/share/koha/lib /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.8 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 85.BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 85.Compilation failed in require at /usr/share/ 11:45 CGI021 and when i try to open the opac page...browser says it does not know how to open the file...(PL) file... 11:47 zico u need to install ZOOM from cpan 11:50 zico ok...is there anyone who can tell about Koha-3.0.5 label printing problem? :) 11:51 zico i need it badly! :) 12:51 chris_n2 @wunder 28334 12:51 munin chris_n2: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is -3.0�C (7:40 AM EST on December 21, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Rising). 13:27 chris_n2 @later tell zico check popup blockers... labels in 3.0.5 works fine here 13:27 munin chris_n2: The operation succeeded. 13:51 owen Hello all non-vacationing Koha worker drones 13:52 paul_p2 hello owen. 13:52 hdl_laptop hi owen. 13:52 paul_p2 "no vacation for brave people !!!" 13:53 owen Do people usually take vacation around Christmas in France? 13:53 paul_p2 owen: yes, libraries often have 1 or even 2 weeks. 13:54 owen The schools do here, but not libraries 13:55 jwagner Hello to all from blizzard-bound DC. 13:55 owen Hi jwagner, how's your recuperation going? 13:56 jwagner Pretty good. I'm mostly off the painkillers which makes for better concentration but perhaps less imagination :-) 13:56 jwagner Still getting around the house in a wheelchair, but I can put some weight on the foot now. 13:57 owen But no sympathy for being house-bound while everyone else is too? 13:57 jwagner Well, even if they closed the office today I'd probably be working. No excuse if you're already set up to telework.... 13:58 jwagner But the federal government is shut down. The apocalypse is nigh.... 14:00 nengard hi all - no vaca for me either :) but we are dug out and so hubby's school was open today so he had to go to work 14:00 nengard more bug wrangling this AM 14:01 nengard now on to documentation again :) 14:01 jwagner nengard++ for all the bug wrangling 14:01 owen No inbox zero for me today, not with all of nengard's bug wrangling ;) 14:01 nengard thanks jwagner - unfortunatly there are still a lot left open :( 14:02 jwagner I've been wondering if nengard was aiming to hit the top of the listserv statistics :-) 14:02 nengard LOL - there are listserv stats? 14:02 nengard nope - just doing what I was asked to do :) 14:02 nengard also - I want to find bugs I can actually fix so I keep reading through the bugs 14:04 jwagner Is there any help or hint file on bugzilla? I haven't been able to figure out how to set up some reports. I'd like to see all the entries where I'm cc'd, for example. 14:06 nengard clicking the Search link gives you lots of options 14:07 nengard sorry - clicking the Search Link and then the Advanced Search Tab 14:07 nengard at the bottom you can choose to see items with a specific CC 14:07 nengard jwagner: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/query.cgi?help=1&format=advanced 14:10 jwagner Aha! Hadn't found that page. I was trying to do something similar with those fields in a report, but it kept complaining. 14:10 jwagner Thanks. That's going to help. 14:11 hilongo Hello everyone ... glad to see I'm not only one without vacations :) 14:12 jwagner Nope, we're all hard at work. (For some variable definitions of "hard" and "work" that is) 14:13 hilongo very variable indeed :) 14:13 Ropuch Wow, All tests successful. Result: PASS in 3.0.5 make test 14:13 Ropuch Hello everybody :) 14:14 jwagner Hi Ropuch 14:14 hilongo Great! 14:15 owen Re: Bug 2739, why would you have a patron with no name? 14:16 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2739 normal, P3, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, OPAC Welcome Breaks if No First Name Avail 14:16 * owen wonders why he even asks himself these questions 14:18 jwagner Staff ID maybe? We always set up dummy names even for those. Sounds like it's not really breaking, just displaying funny. 14:18 hilongo I have a bunch of patron without name ... from an import run where I was unable to separate firstnames from surnames ... 14:18 chris_n2 g'morning all 14:19 jwagner good morning chris_n2 -- much snow down your way? 14:19 chris_n2 vacation here has to wait until next week 14:19 chris_n2 jwagner: none here actually... 30 some inches at my parents in Madison VA (nearer to you) 14:19 chris_n2 the children were very disappointed here :-( 14:20 jwagner I'll bet. They're delighted here. At least one school system has already cancelled classes until after the first of the year. 14:21 chris_n2 yeah, we're headed to the Blue Ridge in VA next week... maybe we'll get snowed in ;-) 14:21 * chris_n2 can hardly wait to get to a place where the internet and phone cannot find him 14:21 hilongo Over here the kids are always 'snow-disappointed' this time of the year ... cause it's summer but all the christmas 'propaganda' is snowy :P 14:22 owen I want a place where the internet and phone can't find me...but I can find them ;) 14:22 jwagner Nope, they're talking about rain for Christmas day in the DC area, at least. Blue Ridge will probably be about the same. 14:22 jwagner owen, for that situation I highly recommend a cruise ship :-) They can't reach you, but if you're really desperate (and willing to spend the exorbitant Internet access fees) you can reach them. 14:23 chris_n2 owen: lol 14:23 owen hilongo: Interesting case. Are you left manually correcting those patrons? 14:23 * chris_n2 's 3 year old is laughing at the smileys in his irc client 14:25 nengard owen - delayed response re the bug - but if first name isn't required for some reason it's pretty easy to have that field blank ... 14:25 hilongo owen: Yes. First we tried to leave the first word as a surname and the rest as the name ... 14:26 hilongo but that had to be 'reviewed' manually anyway 14:27 owen Does Cher use her local public library? How do they handle it? 14:27 nengard hehe 14:27 hilongo haha 14:27 hilongo just like Maddona ... I guess :) 14:29 owen Actually, looks like that bug has been taken care of. "Welcome, Cher | Log Out" 14:29 owen "Hello, Cher (Click here if you're not Cher)" 14:32 owen ...although the bug is assigned to "rel_3_0." hdl_laptop: How should we be handling such bugs? It could be something that affects 3.0.x 14:39 hilongo I have v. 3.01 and Madonna looks nice ... 14:39 nengard the bug was regarding a missing First name 14:39 hilongo Hello, Madonna (Click here if you're not Sra Madonna) 14:39 nengard not a missing Surname 15:22 owen nengard: I notice in your screenshot for bug 3900 that your "subscription started on" date is missing. I have that same problem. 15:22 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3900 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Serial Info in Opac Needs View Tabs 15:23 nengard hmmm - must be a display bug I didn't notice before 15:23 nengard you fixing it with bug 3900? or should i put in a new bug? 15:23 owen When I look at the information stored in the subscriptionhistory table I find that histstartdate is empty for everything 15:24 owen Can you check your data to confirm? 15:24 owen I'm just investigating. If it's an easy fix I'll roll it into the fix for 3900/3376 15:25 owen (I guess it's not an easy fix if the data isn't getting into the database) 15:27 owen Wait, what's the difference between "start date" and "history start date" ? 15:27 nengard owen - just a sec 15:27 nengard no clue what the dif is 15:28 owen serials/subscription-detail.pl lists both in the subscription summary table 15:28 nengard and are they both showing? 15:29 owen start date and end date are filled, history start date and history end date are empty 15:29 nengard owen - i see the same thing - i think we need a serials bug for this - 15:29 nengard i'll include our chat 15:30 owen I do notice that "histstartdate" and "histenddate" are fields that are part of the "manual history" entry form, but they're labeled "subscription start date" and "subscription end date" 15:31 nengard Bug 3982 submitted 15:31 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3982 normal, P5, ---, paul.poulain@biblibre.com, NEW, History Start Date Not Populated 15:33 rhcl @seen wizzyrea 15:33 munin rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 days, 16 hours, 38 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> aside: I love screencast.com 15:36 rhcl @seen chris 15:36 munin rhcl: chris was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 54 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <chris> evening 15:36 rhcl @seen chris_n 15:36 munin rhcl: chris_n was last seen in #koha 2 days, 11 hours, 15 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <chris_n> @later tell wizzyrea: open an enhancement request for that option and I'll add it to my ever growing list :-) 15:37 rhcl @seen anybody 15:37 munin rhcl: I have not seen anybody. 15:37 chris_n rhcl: here now 15:37 * owen waves his arms and asks munin if he can see him now 15:37 chris_n hehe 15:38 rhcl Wasn't it you that posted the note about Stephen Abram over the weekend? I'm just now starting to read the articles in American Libraries. Quite interesting happenings going on I think. 15:38 chris_n I must confess: it was not I 15:38 chris_n but I'd be interested in the link 15:39 rhcl It's up above somewhere...I'll look. 15:40 owen "brendan @llater tell chris stephen abram no longer with Sirsi-Dynix. he's gone back to publishing" 15:40 rhcl Ah, I don't have the logs on this computer. 15:40 rhcl Have "you all" read the American Libraries" articles? 15:40 chris_n interesting 15:41 * chris_n gives firefox its obligatory bi-weekly restart 15:46 rhcl Interesting Marshal Breeding comment: 15:46 rhcl "A ne front has developed in the competition among library automation alternative vendors, who are racing to open up software and allow libraries more access to their data and internal functionality.? 15:46 rhcl sed s/ne/new 15:54 owen What's the difference between a subscription's "First issue publication date" and its "Subscription start date" ? 15:55 nengard owen that i can tell you :) 15:55 nengard the first issue pub date is the issue you have in hand when you add the subscription 15:55 nengard it's the one you base all your predictions on 15:55 nengard the sub start date is for the date your subscirption starts with the vendor 15:55 nengard that way you know when you have to renew your subscrption 15:55 nengard all that is in the manual btw :) 15:59 owen The manual needs to be converted into a chat bot ;) 15:59 owen Thanks nengard 16:04 chris_n owen-away: excellent idea... I'll do that right after <BOTTOM_ELEMENT_OF_FILO_BUFFER_GOES_HERE> 16:14 wizzyrea owen: omg, having the manual as a chat bot... that makes me weep with happiness (or would, if we had that) 16:14 wizzyrea something like @manual acquisitions 16:14 wizzyrea hawt 16:14 wizzyrea it's XML, could probably be done 16:15 jwagner But it wouldn't have the screenshots.... 16:15 wizzyrea more like links to the pages 16:16 wizzyrea jwagner: how's the foot? 16:16 jwagner Doing better. I'm pretty much off the painkillers now, but still using the wheelchair to get around. 16:18 jwagner One of the advantages of working from home is that the soundtrack is better. This morning has been a mixture of Pete Seeger/Arlo Guthrie and Bruce Springsteen. 16:18 wizzyrea niiice 16:18 wizzyrea it's a good time to be snowed in :) 16:19 jwagner If I listen to music in the office, I make sure to keep it all instrumental, like classical or George Winston or Mannheim Steamroller. Otherwise I'll start singing along, which might disturb other folks in my corridor. 16:20 hilongo haha .. I guess they are missing your songs now ! ;) 16:20 jwagner But at least I didn't have to struggle with the commute this morning! 16:50 nengard owen wizzyrea - once the manual is in XML i bet it would be easier to bring in sections of it :) 16:50 nengard sorry - delayed reaction ... 17:05 chris morning peeps 17:06 wizzyrea mornin chris 17:07 paul_p hi chris & wizzyrea & nengard ! 17:08 nengard hi paul_p 17:08 paul_p raining in Marseille, just when I plan to go back home with my bike :'( 17:08 nengard well paul, that's better than the 20 inches of snow we have here ;) 17:12 chris @wunder wellington nz 17:12 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0�C (5:00 AM NZDT on December 22, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). 17:17 chris hmmm 17:18 chris http://metservice.co.nz/national/maps-rain-radar/maps/tasman-sea-nz-colour-latest 17:18 chris looks like it might be a nice day 17:23 slef phrrrp 17:23 slef @wunder weston-super-mare somerset 17:23 munin slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 0.0�C (5:21 PM GMT on December 21, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 0.0�C. Pressure: 29.09 in 985.0 hPa (Steady). 17:24 slef paul_p: I punctured in sub-zero weather last week. Not fun. It held enough to get home. 17:32 nengard owen about? 17:32 nengard wizzyrea you good with css? 17:32 owen Yes, for another minute 17:32 nengard ooo 17:32 nengard nevermind wizzyrea 17:34 chris burn!!! 17:34 wizzyrea *sob* 17:34 chris hehe 17:34 wizzyrea ;) 17:34 nengard awwwww 17:34 nengard i'm so sorry!! you can help me too if you want :) 17:34 wizzyrea j/k I wub u 17:34 nengard wub u too 17:47 rhcl Is there a sysop that can kick rhcl1 (I'm logged on at home)? 18:59 richard hi 19:02 Ropuch Hi 19:09 chris_n Hi 19:10 nengard hi 19:25 wizzyrea chris_n: I wonder what browser zico is using to access his labels 19:25 wizzyrea (er try to) 19:25 wizzyrea what browser are you using? 19:28 chris_n wizzyrea: Mozilla 19:28 chris_n is there another browser? 19:28 chris_n ;-) 19:28 Ropuch ;> 19:28 wizzyrea ^.^ 19:29 wizzyrea It just seems like the kind of thing that screams "busted browser" to me 19:29 wizzyrea popups blocked, too aggressive security settings 19:29 wizzyrea something 19:30 wizzyrea is anyone here familiar with the kohatools from contribs.koha.org? 19:30 chris_n right, I tried to suggest to him to look at popup blocking settings 19:30 wizzyrea kyle's report module, specifically 19:31 wizzyrea dollars to donuts he's doing it in IE 19:32 chris_n wouldn't be surprised.... I had to ditch IE on my cataloger's computers 19:32 chris_n too many quarks 19:32 Chaos I'm so ridiculously bored tonight 19:32 Chaos and I have a toothache 19:33 owen chris_n: "had to?" 19:33 * owen is more than happy to ditch it at every opportunity 19:34 * chris_n agrees with that sentiment whole heartedly 19:34 chris_n nothing delights me more on a win32 system than to set Firefox as the default browser 19:34 wizzyrea hehe 19:34 wizzyrea you know what we do in our libraries 19:34 chris_n well.... one thing is more delightful... 19:34 Chaos cough elinks cough 19:34 wizzyrea we set the firefox icon to the big blue E 19:34 wizzyrea >.> 19:34 chilts :) 19:35 chilts good on you! 19:35 chris_n removing win32 and installing *nix tops the list of delightful computer experiences 19:35 wizzyrea truth. 19:35 chris_n lol 19:36 wizzyrea we leave IE installed, because the government still requires it sometimes for forms and stuff 19:36 wizzyrea but we put FF on the desktop with the big blue E 19:36 Chaos removing win32, installing *nix, and customizing x11 to look EXACTLY like windows so they don't realize ANYTHING happened, should be the fun part 19:36 wizzyrea we get very few complaints 19:36 wizzyrea chaos, also fun 19:37 nengard time for me to talk to CA librarians about the real Koha - be back on later 19:37 wizzyrea Will the real Koha please stand up 19:40 Chaos ya'll act like you never seen a gpl project before 19:42 Chaos I was going ot try to go weird al with it but that's all I got 20:41 chris_n grr.... FF crashes for the second time today 20:41 chris_n howdy pianohacker 20:41 pianohacker Hi, chris_n 20:42 chris_n how are you 20:42 pianohacker Might disappear, internet connection has been weird today 20:42 pianohacker Other than that, great 20:42 pianohacker you? 20:45 Ropuch Hello chris_n, pianohacker 20:46 pianohacker Hi, Ropuch 20:47 chris_n pianohacker: its been the sort of day that results in things like broken fingers 20:47 pianohacker Oh, crap! What happened? 20:48 * chris_n 's oldest son tore the skin completely off of the pad of his left middle finger 20:48 chris_n ouch^2 20:48 janewagner Yeowwwcchhhh 20:48 chris_n massively painful injury 20:48 pianohacker grah. I've gotten really bad hand wounds like that before, all those never endings 20:48 janewagner I can believe it. 20:48 chris_n although not bad on the whole scale of things 20:49 pianohacker *nerve endings 20:49 chris_n yeah 20:49 janewagner speaking of broken fingers, how are yours, pianohacker? 20:49 chris_n it took an narcotic to finally deaden the pain 20:49 pianohacker janewagner: Great, actually :P 20:49 pianohacker chris_n: Blurgh, so sorry 20:49 chris_n the bone was not crushed, however, and the finger was not "de-gloved" 20:49 janewagner chris_n, he's going to have a lot of pain for a good many days. 20:50 chris_n which would have required skin grafts 20:50 pianohacker Gah, "de-gloved", short but very vivid word 20:50 chris_n janewagner" I'm sure 20:50 chris_n yup... sends shivers up my spine 20:51 janewagner Hope he's not left-handed. I've had injuries to fingers on my right hand & found it impossible to do anything because my normal grip/hand-action always hit the spot. 20:51 chris_n he's right-handed fortunately 20:51 janewagner One small mercy.... 20:51 chris_n seems he's looking at about 5 or 6 weeks 20:51 chris_n right now infection is the only concern 20:52 chris_n he had MSRA last year... so the doctors is wanting to watch this closely 20:52 chris_n MRSA even 20:52 pianohacker Yeah, definitely a danger with that bad a wound 20:54 chris_n but, there is much to be thankful for as the injury could have been much worse 21:06 chris_n time to go home, bbl 21:14 nengard just got asked a question I wasn't sure of - can you catalog in chinese and japanese characters in koha? 21:14 pianohacker You should be able to, as long as your database is set up for UTF8 21:14 pianohacker Dunno how well Zebra will handle it, but it should work 21:15 nengard anyone know how well zebra will handle chinese and japanese characters? 21:24 Ropuch nengard: zebra handles hebrew pretty well, so i guess there should be no problem with chinese or japanese 21:25 nengard thanks! 21:26 Ropuch nengard: https://hfjs.bsz-bw.de/cgi-bin/koha/opac-main.pl 21:26 Ropuch kf's catalog 21:26 chris_n any reason this should not work: my $card_number = GetMember($borrower_number)->{'cardnumber'}; 21:28 pianohacker chris_n: Not that I can think of. You could try a plain GetMember in a perl -de 1 session to see what the result wase 21:28 pianohacker *was 21:29 chris_n pianohacker: I'm getting complaints to this effect: Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference 21:29 chris_n I'll try your suggestion and see what's up 21:29 pianohacker Then GetMember's definitely screwy 21:29 Ropuch nengard: and http://www.granthalaya.org can perform zebra search with Marathi / Hindi / Telugu / Kannada alphabet 21:30 pianohacker the perl debugger is really handy because you can run things like s GetMember($borrower_number), step through the function and see what's up. Much easier than throwing in a ton of warns 21:30 nengard thanks 21:30 chris chris_n: GetMember has changed in master 21:30 chris it takes a hash as input 21:30 chris_n oh, fun 21:30 chris_n when? 21:31 chris my ( %information ) = @_; 21:31 chris just recently 21:31 * chris_n missed that and that accounts for the error 21:31 chris_n tnx 21:31 chris so Getmember('cardnumber' => $cardnumber ); 21:32 chris lets you do borrowernumber, cardnumber, surname .. whatever 21:32 chris_n cool 21:33 chris (or combo of them 21:33 chris_n fantastic! back in business 21:33 chris cool 21:34 chris nengard: yes there are libraries in taiwan and mainland china cataloguing in chinese 21:34 chris sup chris_n 21:35 nengard thanks chris 21:35 chris hmm sup chilts 21:35 chilts ola! 21:35 chris tab completion fail 21:35 chilts heh, yeah, I decided on chilts instead of pie :) 21:35 chilts how's it? you sunning yourself in this basking weather 21:35 chilts @wunder Wellington, NZ 21:35 munin chilts: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (10:00 AM NZDT on December 22, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). 21:35 chris just got back from the airport, picking up laurel's dad 21:35 chilts wow, scorching 15°C ! 21:36 chris hehe yeah its at least 17 21:36 chilts heh, you're living at the airport at the moment 21:36 pianohacker ... 21:36 pianohacker @wunder 81212 21:36 munin pianohacker: The current temperature in Franklin Ave - Downtown, Canon City, Colorado is 16.8�C (2:31 PM MST on December 21, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady). 21:36 chris_n @wunder 28334 21:36 pianohacker It's _warmer_ here? What the hell? 21:36 munin chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 8.0�C (4:20 PM EST on December 21, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: 8.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1020 hPa (Falling). 21:36 * chilts likes @wunder 21:38 * chris_n tears himself away from coding and heads home for real this time ;-) 21:38 chris_n bbl 21:42 chris chilts: i made a couple of template changes, and a new section on the kohacon site 21:43 chilts sweet :) 21:43 * chilts looks 21:44 chris nengard: the test manual is using the new css now too 21:44 chilts chris: so I think I need links from the sections/nodes in the admin interface, to open the pages up too :) 21:44 chris yeah that would be handy 21:45 chilts not sure the best way yet (anyway, we'll talk somewhere else or we'll hijack #koha) :D 21:45 chris :-) 21:45 chris all the northern hemispherites will go to sleep soon anyway :) 21:46 chilts heh 21:47 owen *yawn* 21:51 nengard chris - as in the new css i put up in my last push? 21:51 chris yup 21:51 chris as of 10 mins ago 21:59 nengard thanks chris - can i just say i'm annoyed with the xml to html converter 21:59 nengard it's putting in stuff i don't want in there 21:59 Ropuch Is it normal that HEAD hasn't been updated in three weeks? 21:59 nengard extra <p> tags and stuff 22:00 owen Ropuch: These days it is normal, as our 3.2 Release Manager is very busy 22:01 Ropuch But i can see patches form list merged with koha-biblibre.git 22:01 owen gmcharlt: I suggest you start soliciting bribes. I will be first in line. PayPal? Amazon wish list? 22:01 Ropuch Are those two to be merged together? 22:01 Ropuch ;> 22:02 chris @later tell nengard you just have to make an xslt stylesheet then, it converts how it is told to convert 22:02 munin chris: The operation succeeded. 22:03 owen chris: "just" ? :) 22:03 pianohacker XSLT and "just" should never go in the same sentence 22:04 chris hehe well there are piles to choose from, its more just changing the rules for the attributes you dont want 22:10 chris ok im gonna walk down the hill and watch avatar 22:10 chris bbl 22:12 chilts have fun! 23:05 hdl_laptop hi gmcharlt 23:35 chris_n2 hdl_laptop: why does C4::SQLHelper=>InsertInTable do an INSERT rather than an INSERT ... ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE? 23:36 chris_n2 this causes a problem for the import_patron.pl script when overwriting an existing record I think 23:36 chris_n2 import_borrowers.pl rather 23:37 hdl_laptop either file a bug or send a patch. 23:37 chris_n2 so you have no problem with that change? 23:37 hdl_laptop Any improvement welcome. 23:37 chris_n2 great, patch on the way 23:38 hdl_laptop chris_n2 My question is : would we want that behavior as default ? 23:38 chris_n2 hdl_laptop: it probably depends on how many places in the code expect to be able to overwrite an existing record by calling the InsertInTable function 23:39 hdl_laptop Or should we raise rather an error when trying to INSERT duplicate information 23:40 chris_n2 the behavior of import_borrowers.pl probably should be corrected rather 23:40 * chris_n2 looks at the script again 23:40 hdl_laptop I donot know many places where the default behaviour is to overwrite an existing row with a new one 23:41 hdl_laptop My philosophy is do one thing but do it well. 23:43 hdl_laptop But as I said, if it is not expected to get an error when trying to insert a duplicate row then we should have such fail over set. 23:43 hdl_laptop Or at least a way to enable that. 23:51 chris_n2 hdl_laptop: the problem is with import_borrowers.pl so I'll fix that 23:51 hdl_laptop chris_n2++ 23:51 chris_n2 although I agree with the need for returning an error 23:51 * chris_n2 cannot see the bottom of his list to add that item to it atm ;-)