IRC log for #koha, 2009-06-24

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12:00 chris not what was changed, no
12:00 chris it (if you enable it) logs that a record was changed
12:00 chris but it doesnt keep a list of what was changed
12:06 |Lupin| chris: okay, thanks for the information
12:06 |Lupin| chris: actually it starts to be late for you now, no ?
12:07 Amit hi davi
12:08 |Lupin| hi Amit
12:08 chris yep time for me to go to sleep
12:09 Amit hi Lupin
12:20 davi hi Amit
12:41 |Lupin| There are HTML tags in[…]lopment:git_usage
12:42 |Lupin| <code>$ git push master</code>
13:20 |Lupin| (page fixed)
13:21 |Lupin| Is it mandatory to create a branch in a git repository ?
13:22 |Lupin| Or is it possible to work with the files obtain right after the clone operation ?
13:24 hdl_laptop |Lupin|: It is really much safer to create a local branch
13:27 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: ok, thanks
14:48 wizzyrea Ah the famous Owen returns!
14:48 owen Still famous after such a long absence?
14:48 wizzyrea always famous to me :)
14:49 wizzyrea your fame is legendary, come on
14:49 owen :)
14:53 owen I've got to find time to update my blog...haven't done so since just after KohaCon
14:53 owen I'm back at work after a long break, though, so everything's piled high
14:56 wizzyrea that qtip jquery plugin is neato
14:59 owen Yeah, I'm definitely looking into that one for future Koha use
15:00 wizzyrea I can so see the cover art in a clicky tooltip
15:00 wizzyrea or brief records/availability info in a tooltip
15:01 wizzyrea lots of hotness there
15:21 |Lupin| hi Melissa
16:52 wizzyrea oh, I have a bit of a funny koha story
16:53 wizzyrea so one of our staff members was posting items on the intranet, but was totally flummoxed by the fact that they weren't expiring at the right time
16:53 wizzyrea is it a bug? am I doing it wrong? The humanity!
16:53 wizzyrea so I thought about this
16:53 wizzyrea and realized that most of the accounts that our users use to circulate
16:54 wizzyrea had "edit news" capability
16:54 wizzyrea someone was clicking the delete link on the news
16:54 wizzyrea and satisfactorily saying to themselves "yay! that pesky news is gone!"
16:54 wizzyrea i lol'd
17:07 jdavidb lol
17:07 wizzyrea i knorite :)
17:08 jdavidb That'd be a fancy-pants enhancement, to make it where it work like they *think* it works...
17:08 wizzyrea god like... a per login news display
17:09 wizzyrea I only want YOU and YOU and YOU and YOU to see this
17:09 wizzyrea runs and hides
17:09 jdavidb You'd almost need to do a more general-purpose messaging system for the news, and it shotguns out in copies to those users.
17:09 gmcharlt or for now, just remove the delete button from the home page
17:09 wizzyrea yea, or take away the perm
17:09 wizzyrea they don't need to edit news :{P
17:10 wizzyrea :P
17:10 jdavidb gmcharlt, you're taking all the fun out of it...  :P
17:10 wizzyrea (which is what we did)
17:11 wizzyrea no fighting over news
17:11 wizzyrea ^.^
17:11 wizzyrea (but I did save gmcharlt another support ticket)
18:21 chris @wunder wellington, new zealand
18:21 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 3.0°C (6:00 AM NZST on June 24, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Steady).
18:21 chris brr
18:25 nicomo 3°C brrrr indeed
18:25 nicomo @wunder lyon, france
18:25 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Feyzin, Feyzin, France is 20.1°C (7:59 PM CEST on June 23, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Steady).
18:28 jdavidb @wunder bethesda, md
18:28 munin jdavidb: The current temperature in Burning Tree Estates, Bethesda, Maryland is 28.2°C (2:24 PM EDT on June 23, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.49 in 998.5 hPa (Falling).
18:53 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
18:53 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 37.2°C (1:53 PM CDT on June 23, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady). Excessive heat warning in effect until 7 PM CDT Thursday...
18:53 chris ok ok i get it
18:53 wizzyrea nice!
18:54 chris you all have better weather :P
18:54 wizzyrea better... crap, if you like "excessive heat warnings"
18:54 wizzyrea yesterday I saw a 40C
18:54 wizzyrea on a bank
19:27 rhcl I just love the metric system. 40C is equal to 178F, but it sounds soooo nice and cool. 50 pounds (British) sounds cheap for a motherboard, but it's $394 in USD.
19:29 nicomo rhcl: I always found measures to be the most difficult things to grasp in a different culture
19:30 nicomo C° in F°, my size in feet instead of cm, weight in stones instead of kg, etc
19:30 nicomo 40C feels hot to me, whereas 178F doesn't feel anything, neither hot nor cold
19:32 jdavidb 40C = 104F, not 178.  178 would be really deadly.
19:32 wizzyrea yes, it was 104F
19:32 rhcl Actually, I lived a number of years (12+) in Korea, and I just developed a schizo mind--I never tried to covert, I just lived in one world (west vs east) and made that my frame of reference.
19:33 wizzyrea that makes sense, calibrate your mind to equate the number you see with what you feel
19:34 wizzyrea instead of trying to convert from the thing you know to the thing you don't
19:34 rhcl 104F is certainly potentially deadly to some people-the elderly and those without health problems with A/C.
19:34 wizzyrea rhcl: is it so nasty hot in StJo too?
19:34 wizzyrea it's icky here
19:35 rhcl Yea. Pretty bad.
19:36 rhcl Nicomo: So how is the WX in France?
19:36 wizzyrea @wunder lyon, france
19:36 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Feyzin, Feyzin, France is 19.0°C (8:59 PM CEST on June 23, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Steady).
19:36 nicomo yep
19:37 nicomo that's spot in the middle of the country
19:37 wizzyrea lucky :)
19:37 nicomo paul is at
19:37 nicomo @wunder marseille, France
19:37 chris its 7 in my lounge
19:37 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 22.0°C (9:30 PM CEST on June 23, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
19:37 nicomo a bit warmer
19:37 nicomo a at the beginning of this week I was at the northern border
19:38 nicomo @wunder lille france
19:38 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Lille, France is 18.0°C (9:30 PM CEST on June 23, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady).
19:38 nicomo so : 18C to 23C from north to south at 9pm
19:39 rhcl @wunder Leucate Plage France
19:39 munin rhcl: The current temperature in Narbonne, France is 25.4°C (8:59 PM CEST on June 23, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady).
19:39 rhcl Life's a beach!
19:39 nicomo eh eh
19:39 nicomo especially at Leucate
19:39 nicomo @wunder biarritz france
19:39 munin nicomo: The current temperature in Boucau, Boucau, France is 23.1°C (9:38 PM CEST on June 23, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Steady).
19:39 nicomo this one's better for surfing
19:40 rhcl Ah
19:41 rhcl I have to go check on a computer that's updating....brb
19:57 chris remind me why I thought a book about a monkey that does everything he is told not to do was a good idea to read to my son
19:58 pianohacker You helped start an open source project; clearly your sense of what to avoid to make your life easier has been impaired for a while :)
19:58 wizzyrea O.O
19:58 chris hehe
19:58 chris good point
19:59 rhcl You should just read him some Koha source code. :)
19:59 pianohacker I recommend reports/
19:59 chris @quote add  < pianohacker> You helped start an open source project; clearly your sense of what to avoid to make your life easier has been impaired for a while :)
19:59 munin chris: The operation succeeded.  Quote #10 added.
19:59 wizzyrea @quote add Pianohacker (re: chris): You helped start an open source project; clearly your sense of what to avoid to make your life easier has been impaired for a while :)
19:59 munin wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.  Quote #11 added.
19:59 wizzyrea lol
19:59 chris beatya
19:59 wizzyrea DOH
20:00 gmcharlt @quote remove 11
20:00 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
20:00 gmcharlt @quote show 10
20:00 munin gmcharlt: downloading the Perl source
20:01 gmcharlt @quote get 10
20:01 munin gmcharlt: Quote #10: "< pianohacker> You helped start an open source project; clearly your sense of what to avoid to make your life easier has been impaired for a while :)" (added by chris at 07:59 PM, June 23, 2009)
20:17 wizzyrea @quote random
20:17 munin wizzyrea: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 04:13 PM, June 16, 2009)
20:17 wizzyrea i love it that it always randomly assigns that one when I quote random
20:17 wizzyrea it's like it knows what I'm thinking!!
20:17 chris heh
20:17 ebegin chris, is there a wiki for all those commands? :)
20:18 chris for munin? not that im aware of
20:18 wizzyrea we could call it "playtime in #koha"
20:18 chris but you can do @help
20:18 wizzyrea er, sorry... quoting is serious business
20:18 ebegin wizzyrea, that what I tought... or having fun in #koha
20:18 chris gmcharlt might know
20:19 gmcharlt wizzyrea: not yet - basic commands are documented in supybot doc
20:19 wizzyrea kk
20:20 ebegin @roulette
20:20 munin ebegin: *click*
20:20 ebegin hahaha
20:22 wizzyrea @roulette
20:22 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
20:22 wizzyrea aww
20:23 ebegin Doh!
20:23 ebegin @roulette
20:23 munin ebegin: *click*
20:23 ebegin ouf
20:23 wizzyrea Uh uh, you are not getting me to do that again...
20:24 ebegin :)
20:24 ebegin @roulette
20:24 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
20:24 ebegin doh!
20:24 ebegin is that a real random...
20:24 ebegin @roulette
20:24 munin ebegin: *click*
20:24 ebegin @roulette
20:24 munin ebegin: *click*
20:25 ebegin yes :)  who's next :)
20:25 wizzyrea @roulette
20:25 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
20:25 wizzyrea SEE
20:28 wizzyrea gmcharlt: did that come through ok?
20:28 gmcharlt wizzyrea: your game of russian roulete?
20:29 wizzyrea no, my reports template patch, the one with the former linebreak issues?
20:29 wizzyrea i just sent it
20:29 wizzyrea again
20:29 gmcharlt wizzyrea: looks OK by eyeball
20:29 wizzyrea sweet
20:29 nicomo ok guys, have a nice roulette day
20:30 nicomo time to go to bed here in Europe
20:30 nicomo bye
20:37 richard hi
20:39 ebegin What is the copyrights on the "bridge" icon in Koha?
20:40 ebegin I like them, but since there is some english mention (book, sound, tape), I can not use them in french.
20:44 chris check out the about page ebegin it should tell you
20:45 ebegin oh!  Thanks chris!
20:49 chris right taking kahu out
20:49 chris back later
21:30 rhcl @seen wizzyrea
21:30 munin rhcl: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 1 hour and 34 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> sweet
21:30 rhcl liz: you on?
21:32 rhcl Did you see the SMUG post from Hutchinson Community College about moving from Sirsi to Civica/CMI's Spydus?
21:34 chris back
21:34 chris moving to spydus? are they on crack?
21:35 chris i mean, not going OSS is one thing ... but spydus ... yeeeuuuckkk
21:35 rhcl Well, huh, I donno. Maybe too much Jimson weed?
21:36 rhcl I don't know anything about Spydus.
21:36 rhcl So what do you know about it?
21:37 chris and iirc nelsonville was spydus too
21:37 chris they do um weird things with with their data
21:38 chris also the librarians (at least for the 2 i did) hated it ... mind you, librarians hate every ILS so take that with a grain of salt
21:38 chris they had a nasty policy of making you pay to get your own data out too
21:38 chris which I find distasteful
21:39 rhcl Ah, well, 3-5 years from now there will be an opportunity for some lucky company to help them migrate to Koha or something else. :)
21:40 chris bags not!!
21:40 rhcl My tech services supervisor really really loved Inlex.
21:40 chris (do you guys say that?)
21:41 rhcl No, that's not familiar to me.
21:41 chris In New Zealand and Australia the word "bags" is used to the same effect. "Bagsy" and "dibs" are used occasionally with the same meaning. When calling bags, one will not usually include the word "on" - "Bags ____ing" is used in the case of verbs, and "Bags the ____" in the case of nouns. Bags is of particular use in opting out of an undesirable task, when saying "Bags not me" before anyone else in the group will exclude one from having to do that task.
21:41 chris (from wikipedia)
21:42 rhcl ICIC
21:42 chris so im safe :)
21:46 rhcl For anybody that cares, we've been evaluating DSpace as a digital repository, and I'm pretty impressed with it so far. We will probably end up using it for our Project Bloodroot - a digitization of all the yearbooks from a early 1900's-1950s local cancer hospital.
21:46 chris sweet
21:46 chris im oblidged to ask if you have looked at kete :-)
21:47 chris even though im sure you have :)(
21:47 chris i have heard good things about dspace too
21:47 chris and i think sounds like it would fit that project better
21:47 chris (set and forget)
21:47 rhcl I actually took a pretty close look at the website. I'm certainly not trying to throw rocks at anything, but you know, for all the looking I did there was nothing on the site that said "Here's what Kete does".
21:48 chris yeah, i mentioned that to walter and Jo
21:48 chris the problem is, its pretty hard to define
21:48 chris i like to say its like dspace + wikipedia + youtube in one thing
21:50 rhcl Well, my inability to grasp it is the problem I'm sure, but I just never could see what it would do, or that it was the solution I was looking for.
21:50 rhcl I think the "giant" we are up against is contentDM.
21:50 chris basically the difference is
21:50 chris kete is for community driven content
21:51 chris dspace is for more of the traditional repository
21:51 rhcl It will be interesting to see how it (kete) develops.
21:51 chris its in use in quite a lot of places
21:55 chris but yeah it is for different purpose than dspace
21:59 chris[…]ed-library-system
22:00 chris so people can edit, discusss, see the changes, add images etc
22:01 chris my fave bit of the horowhenua kete, is its adopt and anzac project
22:02 chris[…]33-gerald-sievers
22:02 wizzyrea ew, no I didn't see that
22:02 wizzyrea but got to go... ttyl
22:03 chris
22:07 rhcl This is a pretty good overview:
22:10 chris yep
22:11 rhcl You know, I've been looking at the site. It appears to present a very good way for people to informally document "localized' (for lack of a better word) information like family histories, or a history of some local interest.
22:12 rhcl I see the potential now that I hadn't noticed previously. I may have to play around with it after Project Bloodroot.
22:13 chris *nod*
22:13 chris my work here is done
22:14 chris hehehe
22:21 rhcl well, time to go home here. later~~
22:32 brendan do authority searches work with noZebra ?
22:33 gmcharlt brendan: in principle yes, but subject to same sorts of limitations as biblio NoZebra searching
22:33 chris im personally of the opinion
22:33 brendan thanks gmcharlt
22:33 chris that there is no real reason to run nozebra
22:34 brendan *nods* :)
22:34 chris at least for any Koha's we set up
22:34 brendan correct!
22:35 brendan was just a question that popped up and I wasn't sure.  Actually I don't think I've used Koha without Zebra.
22:36 gmcharlt then feel free to forget about NoZebra entirely ;)
22:36 brendan hey gmcharlt good to hear from you :)
22:36 chris i can see that for ppl setting it up for their little church library, or their home library, that getting zebra up and going can be a bit hard
22:37 chris but i think we should work to make that as easy as possible, and deprecate nozebra
22:37 brendan that's what coffee is for
22:37 gmcharlt chris: agreed, although if one isn't running a VM or from a future .deb, the crontabs will probably always be a bit stick
22:37 gmcharlt *sticky
22:37 chris true
22:38 gmcharlt for the true Linux novice
22:38 chris *nod*
22:43 chris you scared him off brendan
22:43 brendan hehe
22:43 chris :-)
22:43 brendan a talent I wish not to have !
22:43 chris hehe
22:54 gmcharlt_away heh, I'm just finding dinner an attractive prospect at the moment
22:54 chris good to see the press releases for the other libraries you are working on brendan
22:55 brendan cool - yeah I haven't heard back from danny yet -- if he was able to access it
22:55 chris was fine from here
22:55 brendan he's was getting network timed out issues
22:56 gmcharlt_away another new library F/OSS project:[…]-June/049625.html
22:56 chris oh kick arse
22:56 gmcharlt_away although I'm waiting for the day when somebody gives up and names their ERMs ERMess
22:56 chris ive been wanting a decent ERMS
22:57 chris galadriel chilton
22:57 chris someones parents were LOTR fans :)\
22:58 gmcharlt_away hmm - ERMes is an Access database
23:00 chris darn, it looks like im still waiting for a decent ERMS
23:00 gmcharlt_away heh
23:01 gmcharlt_away oh well, at least it's something for any library stuck with M$
23:01 chris *nod*
23:10 brendan cya #koha
23:11 chris brendan: mets on espn
23:11 chris (you probably know that)
23:13 Snow_Fox out of curisoity on the liblime demo is there a example of overdue notices?
23:16 chris pass
00:01 pianohacker 'night, #koha
03:10 brendan @wunder 93117
03:10 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.4°C (8:07 PM PDT on June 23, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.79 in 1008.7 hPa (Rising).
03:27 Amit hi brendan, chris
03:28 Amit good morning #koha
03:28 chris hi amit
03:28 brendan hey amit - good evening
03:28 Amit hi mason, richard
03:28 Amit heya brendan good morning
03:28 richard hey amit
03:28 brendan @wunder new delhi india
03:28 munin brendan: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 36.0°C (8:30 AM IST on June 24, 2009). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady).
03:29 brendan wow going to be hot there today
03:31 Amit hi munin
03:32 Amit munin: New Delhi is hot
03:32 munin Amit: I suck
03:32 chris[…]n-office-building
03:32 chris did you see that richard?
03:33 richard crikey
03:33 richard i'm guessing si will be hotfooting it to there from the library about now
03:34 chris reckon so
03:34 mason howdy folks
03:34 richard might even have young ben in tow
03:34 richard hi mason
03:34 mason hot in the city
03:35 Amit heya mason
03:36 Amit namaste mason
03:38 chris
03:40 chris @later tell gmcharlt check this out
03:40 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
03:45 hdl_laptop hi chris
03:45 chris yikes, you are awake early hdl_laptop
03:46 hdl_laptop remember i have a baby too ;)
03:46 chris ah of course :)
03:53 Amit hi hdl
03:53 Amit chris: how is ur baby
03:54 chris good, doing what babies do, sleeping and eating :)
03:58 richard chris: loud explosion, smoke but no damage. blame is on a lightbulb
03:58 hdl_laptop hi all
03:58 chris ahh thats all good then richard
04:01 hdl_laptop chris: thx btw about translations
04:09 chris no problem, thanks for spotting it
04:16 thd hdl_laptop: are you fully awake?
04:16 hdl_laptop I donot think so.
04:17 thd hdl_laptop: have you not slept yet? or are babies waking you?
04:17 hdl_laptop baby waking me up too early ;)
04:18 thd hdl_laptop: sing your baby back to sleep :)
04:19 hdl_laptop he already is back to sleep.
04:19 thd hdl_laptop: sing yourself back to sleep :)
04:34 Amit hi thd
04:34 thd hello Amit
04:35 Amit thd: thd means
04:36 Amit k
04:38 thd Amit: do you have any public Z39.50 servers in India now?
04:38 Amit right no but very soon delhi public library launches own z39.50 server
04:38 Amit may be aug end
04:39 thd Amit: are any others forthcoming?
04:40 Amit in my knowledge i think no
04:41 Amit thd; R u form
04:42 thd Amit: Did you mean to ask where I am from?
04:42 Amit yes
04:43 thd I live in New York City
04:43 Amit k
04:55 thd Amit: What classification systems are in use at the Dehli Public Library?
04:58 Amit thd: they are using DDC
04:59 thd Amit: What subject heading thesauri are in use?
05:13 thd Amit: Does the Dehli Public Library have authority records?
05:14 Amit they have authority for testing only
05:15 thd Are they testing subject authority records?
05:44 brendan @seen nahuel
05:44 munin brendan: nahuel was last seen in #koha 6 days, 16 hours, 50 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <nahuel> complicated
06:00 Amit thd:[…]
06:00 Amit search by amit
07:08 chris good morning europe
07:08 nicomo evening chris
07:12 Amit hi nicomo
07:14 nicomo Hi Amit
07:24 thd good morning nicomo and nahuel
07:24 nahuel hi thd
07:39 Amit *Amit is known as osslabs
07:53 |Lupin| hello !
07:53 chris hi |Lupin|
07:54 |Lupin| Just tried to run Koha with a dev-style install (i.e. from sources)
07:54 |Lupin| and get the follwing error:
07:54 |Lupin| Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /home/seb/src/koha/C4/ line 327.
07:54 |Lupin| Can anyone help with that, please ?
07:55 |Lupin| hi chris
07:55 chris never seen that before
07:56 |Lupin| uhuh...
07:56 |Lupin| any idea how I can investigate ?
07:57 |Lupin| I had a look to the mentionned line but it was not inspiring for me...
08:00 chris running from master?
08:00 chris or the 3.0.x branch?
08:00 |Lupin| master
08:02 |Lupin| and git pull says already uptodate
08:03 chris there are no other errors before that?
08:03 chris about being able to connect to the db or anything?
08:04 |Lupin| not on the page itself
08:04 |Lupin| I can have a look to apache's log perhaps
08:05 chris good idea
08:08 |Lupin| OPAC: Database update needed, redirecting to maintenance. Database is 3.0001005 and Koha is 3.01000B37 at /home/seb/src/koha/C4/ line ...
08:08 |Lupin| ahah !
08:09 |Lupin| actually I had a standard install on my system before
08:09 |Lupin| and since I wanted to start hacking in Koha I installed it in dev mode
08:09 |Lupin| I thought I could use the same database.
08:10 chris yep you will need to go to the librarian interface
08:10 chris and hopefully it will let you upgrade
08:11 |Lupin| let's try, thanks !!
08:12 |Lupin| it runs the web installer...
08:12 |Lupin| is this what has to be done, or will it erase the database completely ?
08:12 chris nope thats what has to be done
08:13 chris you can of course do a mysqldump before just in case
08:13 |Lupin| oh well
08:13 chris but it will jump to the last step, and apply upgrades to get it to the required level
08:13 |Lupin| there are not somany datas in the db...
08:16 |Lupin| ah I thought koha would let me log in with the super librarian account I have created for myself, but it does not. Is that intended ?  
08:16 chris no
08:16 chris sorry yes
08:17 chris on the user specified in the koha-conf.xml
08:17 chris can run the upgrades
08:18 chris so not any user you made in koha
08:18 |Lupin| okay, I undestand, thanks
08:18 |Lupin| yep
08:19 |Lupin| [Wed Jun 24 10:17:40 2009] DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate entry 'AllowRenewalLimitOverride' for key 1 at /home/seb/src/koha/installer/​data/mysql/ line 2035.
08:19 chris that may be safe to ignore
08:20 |Lupin| [Wed Jun 24 10:17:40 2009] DBD::mysql::db do failed: Cannot add or update a child row: a foreign key constraint fails  (`braillenet_koha/message_transports`, CONSTRAINT `message_transports_ibfk_2` FOREIGN KEY (`message_transport_type`) REFERENCES `message_transport_types` (`message_transport_type`) ON DELETE CA) at /home/seb/src/koha/installer/​data/mysql/ line 2054.
08:20 |Lupin| hmm actually...
08:21 |Lupin|
08:22 |Lupin| chris: could you please have a look to it and se whether all the messages are benine ?
08:22 si hmm
08:22 si oops
08:23 chris |Lupin|: maybe
08:23 chris :)
08:23 |Lupin| okay
08:23 |Lupin| I continued and things seem to work
08:23 chris cant say for sure, if it lets you login now, thats a good start
08:23 |Lupin| the only thing is tha Koha now is in english
08:23 |Lupin| so maybe other parameters have been lost...
08:27 |Lupin| it's weird, on the global system preferences, for instance, some things are in french, others in english
08:27 |Lupin| e.g. the description of the preferences are in french, but the buttons in english
08:31 |Lupin| and if I try to set the language pref in the area, english is my only option, just as if the other languages were not available...
08:36 chris yes because the templates wont exist
08:36 chris since you did a new install
08:36 chris dev install doesnt create the templates
08:36 chris you need to go misc/translation
08:36 chris and run fr-FR
08:36 chris if you want french for example
08:38 |Lupin| ahah ! tnaks !
08:38 |Lupin| Perhaps There is already a documentation where this is explained ? (which would avoid me to bug everybody...)
08:39 chris might be on the wiki
08:39 chris generally the dev install is for dev tho, so it kinda makes assumptions you know what you are doing (often the assumptions are wrong) so it might not be documented
08:40 chris if you cant find it on the wiki
08:40 chris it would be great if you add it :)
08:41 |Lupin| sure
08:41 |Lupin| actually I'm supposed to be a developer, or more precisely to become a koha developer somehow
08:42 |Lupin| it's just that the beginnings are hard
08:42 chris *nod*
08:42 |Lupin| chris: any idea where this could fit ?
08:43 chris
08:44 chris maybe "Things to know when doing a dev install"
08:44 chris 1/ Only the english templates are created ....
08:45 |Lupin| yes
08:45 |Lupin| also
08:46 |Lupin| now french appears in the possible values for language
08:46 |Lupin| but it is not used as the default language
08:46 |Lupin| I think I am looking at the wrong preference actually...
08:48 |Lupin| hmm still the opaclanguages variable has value Français(fr-FR) [X]
08:58 osslabs hi Lupin
08:59 |Lupin| hi osslabs
08:59 osslabs Lupin i m Amit
08:59 |Lupin| ah
09:00 |Lupin| I was just about to ask
09:00 osslabs hmm
09:16 |Lupin| chris: okay, page pudated.
09:21 chris awesome
09:22 |Lupin| thx
09:23 |Lupin| yet the language problem is not fixed on my install :)
09:43 |Lupin| Is there a way to see which templates koha tries to load, just to figure out why the french ones aren't loaded ?
09:43 |Lupin| (btw I don't even know where these templates are supposed to reside...)
09:45 hdl_laptop |Lupin|:  koha-tmpl directory
09:45 hdl_laptop or htdocs if it is not a dev install
09:45 hdl_laptop |Lupin|: you can look at get_user_and_template
09:46 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: okay, thanks
09:47 |Lupin| hdl_laptop: opac-tmpl/prog/fr-FR is there
09:47 |Lupin| and the language and opaclanguage system preferences are correct in the database
11:30 osslabs hi jawgner

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