IRC log for #koha, 2009-06-11

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12:19 slef elwell: hrm, worst I've had is client->client->our-hardware->rackowner->landlord
12:20 slef wouldn't really want to be on the bottom of a tree like that, but it takes all sorts
12:20 slef actually, this is us->client->cheap_reseller->??unknown??
12:20 slef so it could be as bad or worse
12:47 kf nahuel: just saw your patch - renewals in issuing rules is a great feature! My library will be really happy about this. :)
12:47 nahuel héhé
12:47 nahuel it's not the end
12:47 nahuel I'm going to work on reserves in issuing rules
12:47 nahuel (a little more complicated
12:47 nahuel
12:54 kf yes, I believe thats really difficult, but I think it will be a great plus for Koha in the end
12:55 kf testing "fine days" now :)
14:33 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks
14:33 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 18.2°C (9:33 AM CDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising).
14:33 wizzyrea hey that's neat
14:34 ebegin cool... does this work only with US cities?
14:34 ebegin @wunder montreal, qc
14:34 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found.
14:34 ebegin no such location could be found :)
14:34 gmcharlt @wunder montreal
14:35 munin gmcharlt: Error: No such location could be found.
14:35 gmcharlt @wunder montreal, quebec
14:35 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 15.0°C (10:00 AM EDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Rising).
14:35 ebegin Cool :)
14:35 gmcharlt @wunder cmh
14:35 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in Columbus, Ohio is 21.0°C (9:51 AM EDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling).
14:35 ebegin @wunder montreal, pq
14:35 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found.
14:36 gmcharlt @gcalc 21 C in F
14:36 munin gmcharlt: I suck
14:36 gmcharlt @gcalc 21.0 C in F
14:36 munin gmcharlt: downloading the Perl source
14:36 gmcharlt @google calc 21.0 C in F
14:36 munin gmcharlt: 21.0 degrees Celsius = 69.8 degrees Fahrenheit
14:36 ebegin hehe...
14:36 gmcharlt @alias gcalc Google calc $*
14:36 munin gmcharlt: I suck
14:37 gmcharlt @alias add gcalc Google calc $*
14:37 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
14:37 gmcharlt @gcalc 21.0 C in F
14:37 munin gmcharlt: 21.0 degrees Celsius = 69.8 degrees Fahrenheit
14:37 gmcharlt @dunno add I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
14:37 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.  Dunno #4 added.
14:42 wizzyrea gmcharlt: munin must be one of your more amusing projects
14:42 wizzyrea i'm using supybot on kohakansas for logging... I named it PaulBunyan
14:42 wizzyrea I lol'd
14:42 gmcharlt wizzyrea++
14:46 elwell @quote random
14:46 munin elwell: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009)
14:48 elwell meh, it should just pull a random (non blank) line of source code and see if we recognise it
14:48 elwell or of course we could do some real work :-/
14:53 gmcharlt elwell: it's a supybot, so feel free to write a plugin :)
15:09 ryan @list bugzilla
15:09 munin ryan: add, attachment, bug, and query
15:11 kf or a random bug to fix
15:11 ryan @bug 2655
15:11 munin ryan: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2655 major, P2, ---, jmf@liblime.com, REOPENED, Items waiting on the hold shelf display as "Available" in OPAC
15:14 wizzyrea ryan: are you working on that?
15:16 wizzyrea or was that a test of the random stuff
15:31 nahuel YEAH !
15:31 nahuel we win
15:31 nahuel the french law against illegal downloading and privacy life !
15:33 wizzyrea nahuel: Nice!
15:34 nahuel :p
15:35 ryan wizzyrea: just testing
18:21 wizzyrea if you are iterested, there is a kegger meeting going on at the state lib of kansas wimba room at http://webj.wimba.com/launcher[…]i?room=ks_adastra log in as participant
18:25 chris morning
18:26 slef grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrragh
18:26 pianohacker mornin'
18:26 chris whoa, nice welcome slef :)
18:26 slef "your .htaccess file may have been removed as part of hosting accounts being cleaned one by one to remove all traces of the malware attack that our systems have suffered"
18:27 slef sorry, I'm beside myself with rage at this hosting provider
18:27 slef like they sent me the above
18:27 chris ohh, thats a very clownish thing to do
18:27 pianohacker Ahh, the joys of shared hosting
18:28 slef so did our htaccess file contain malware (=> we need to review our systems more closely) or not?
18:28 chris 'we have no idea what we are doing, here lemme start deleting stuff, that will fix it'
18:28 slef yeah, I know exactly what company is behind this
18:28 chris wimba hates me wizzyrea
18:28 slef ultimately, it's the DirectI/PDR/LogicBoxes confusopoly
18:28 chris hates me and my lack of java
18:29 slef java--
18:30 slef it also whinges about not being allowed pop-up windows
18:30 chris the_island_of_java_not_the_programming_language++
18:30 slef heh I have Java installed but it doesn't detect it
18:30 slef bad code
18:30 wizzyrea aw, that's ot cool
18:30 pianohacker wimba--
18:30 wizzyrea stupid wimba
18:30 slef so let's try starting it anyway
18:30 wizzyrea it's not really my platform of choice
18:30 pianohacker I remember fighting that tool for several hours just trying to get it to connect, let alone work
18:31 chris webinar software seems like a problem no one has solved well yet
18:31 wizzyrea omg, don't even get me started... between wimba and OPAL
18:31 wizzyrea ./wrist
18:31 slef chris++
18:31 slef http://www.generatesuccess.co.[…]online-courses/46
18:32 slef that's not a webinar, it's a limited-platform java application pretending to be one
18:32 slef anyway, let me email this rant back at the ISP
18:32 chris :)
18:33 chris i have someone yelling 'daddy'
18:33 chris but its only 6.34am
18:33 chris do i go get him up, and possibly set a trend .. or leave him yelling and wake the baby?
18:33 slef plastic baggie over the head?
18:33 slef soundproof box?
18:33 chris that may have been alright in the 50's
18:34 chris but they frown on that now :)
18:34 slef damn Human Rights Acts and political correctness, eh?
18:34 chris hehe
18:35 slef erm, voicemail from PTFS US. Wasn't my "drop your threat or talk to our lawyers" message clear enough?
18:35 slef time to email them again... ho hum
18:35 wizzyrea whoa what happened now?1
18:35 wizzyrea !
18:35 slef wizzyrea: nah, this is old stuff
18:36 wizzyrea slef: oic
18:36 wizzyrea whew
18:36 slef wizzyrea: off-list fall-out from that January news release
18:36 slef don't know about other signatories, but I'm tired of it all
18:36 chris yeah legal threats might have been alright in the 50's but we frown on that now
18:36 slef hehehe
18:37 slef flogging dead horses might have been alright in the 50's but we frown on that now
18:37 chris lol
18:37 slef pianohacker: I'm getting it on at least three fronts this week. Expect much ranting and too little code from me :(
18:38 slef I want to build stuff
18:38 slef I don't want people to steal it
18:38 slef I don't want to battle awkward service providers
18:38 slef I don't want to be in court
18:38 slef that pretty much covers my ambitions just now
18:41 wizzyrea slef: oh right, I remember this.
18:41 wizzyrea lawsuits--
18:44 BrianT anyone want to answer some noob questions?
18:45 pianohacker BrianT: Sure, what's up?
18:46 slef please! any distraction from this!
18:46 BrianT well I'm following Andy Giesler's tutorial on setting up Koha, I am up to the point of being able to log in to the staff interface, but when I try to add patrons it says patron doesn't exist
18:47 wizzyrea have you defined patron types?
18:47 pianohacker Hmm. That happens when you click on the Add Patron button?
18:47 slef Andy Giesler's tutorial on setting up Koha?
18:47 BrianT I'm using the sample patron types and I tried under staff, board, and library
18:47 BrianT http://www.blazingmoon.org/gui[…]k3-on-u810-8.html
18:48 BrianT link is the tutorial
18:48 wizzyrea you have javascript turned on in your browser? (stab in dark)
18:49 slef so what URL do you try to add patrons at and what do you click to do it and exactly what text does it reply with,please?
18:49 BrianT http://127.0.1.1:8080/cgi-bin/[…]p;categorycode=PT
18:50 BrianT url for adding patrons
18:51 BrianT so I fill in the fields that are required and then click save
18:52 BrianT then I get http://127.0.1.1:8080/cgi-bin/[…]?borrowernumber=0
18:52 BrianT This patron does not exist
18:52 slef I remember something about borrowernumber=0
18:52 slef searching
18:53 slef paul_p said "if you log in with the mySQL login/password, you are borrowernumber=0, and many features don't work"
18:53 slef not quite the same
18:54 wizzyrea hm, but he can't seem to add another patron to make his superlibrarian
18:54 slef this looks like the database isn't working right
18:54 slef because it's returning 0 as mysql_insert_id
18:54 BrianT doh
18:55 slef wizzyrea: yes, it's not this problem
18:55 slef need to create a user
18:55 slef BrianT: does the koha ... no, that won't work
18:55 slef hrrrrm
18:56 slef looking at the tutorial again
18:57 chris still at the airport gmcharlt ?
18:57 gmcharlt chris: no, on the airplane
18:57 gmcharlt inflight wifi
18:57 BrianT nice
18:57 chris ohh look at you mr fancy pants
18:57 slef gmcharlt: can you read the last 20 minutes IRC log please?
18:57 chris :)
18:58 gmcharlt slef: looking
18:58 slef I'm sure I remember something about borrowernumber=0 but I can't find it
18:58 slef user problem
18:58 slef if it's not too expensive for you :)
18:58 gmcharlt flat fee for flight, so I'm not paying by the bit ;)
18:58 slef is that satellite or what?
18:59 slef I can't even get stable internet from uktrain - although the spanish AVE worked well at 300kph
19:00 gmcharlt slef: not sure - provided by aircell.com, but website didn't immediately say how they're doing it
19:01 slef BrianT: any problems installing the database?
19:01 gmcharlt slef: looks like terrestial, not sat
19:01 BrianT not that I know of
19:02 BrianT I could try installing it again though
19:02 pianohacker BrianT: If you run DESCRIBE borrowers, does the borrowernumber line have AUTO_INCREMENT on it?
19:02 slef can you open it in mysql or phpmyadmin?
19:02 slef then look at the borrowers table like pianohacker suggests :)
19:03 chris id check the apache error log too
19:03 chris see if there is an error being thrown
19:03 slef good move - look near the end of koha-error_log
19:04 BrianT I'm still  getting used to Webmin (yes I know,  I have gui guilt) can I search for it that way?
19:05 slef I don't know webmin. Can you get mysql open that way?
19:05 slef However you do it, you want to look at the properties of the borrowernumber field in the borrowers table/relation
19:05 slef gmcharlt: can you remember what causes borrowernumber=0?
19:05 gmcharlt slef: been a while since I've seen it - problem with autoincrement would be my first guess
19:07 slef @bbc5live football commentary "I don't know what the point is of Andorra"
19:07 munin slef: downloading the Perl source
19:07 wizzyrea webmin = servers -> mysql -> open the koha db
19:07 BrianT yes I can go through webmin
19:07 wizzyrea then show tables
19:08 pianohacker wizzyrea++, I don't have any experience with webmin
19:08 wizzyrea it gives me gui guilt as well
19:08 wizzyrea i really needed it a couple of years ago, before I learned the command line tools
19:09 wizzyrea but haven't needed it much lately
19:09 wizzyrea sometimes it's super useful, however
19:09 BrianT I don't see a show tables option
19:10 wizzyrea 1s, I'll try to get a screenshot
19:10 gmcharlt if webmin has a file browser, may be able to look at the Apache logs as well
19:10 slef hey, I use control panels a lot... just not webmin because it doesn't seem to make life much easier :)
19:10 BrianT :)
19:10 BrianT I don't see any tables listed should there be?
19:11 wizzyrea so you've selected the db
19:11 wizzyrea do you see the lil green folders?
19:11 BrianT yes I'm inside koha
19:11 slef moving to laptop biab
19:11 wizzyrea do you see the borrowers table?
19:11 wizzyrea folder = table
19:12 BrianT I can even get to borrowernumber under dropdown
19:12 BrianT default value is set to null
19:13 BrianT correction in borrower_attributes
19:14 slef wrong one
19:14 BrianT ah
19:14 slef you are in a mazy of twisty tables, all slightly different
19:14 slef need to be in borrowers and check borrowernumber there
19:14 slef see if it says auto_increment
19:14 slef or something like that
19:15 BrianT oh and I just read too many tables to display so I need to search
19:15 BrianT ok
19:15 BrianT yes it does
19:17 wizzyrea (this is where I get fuzzy, i dont' know the koha innards that well, not as well as others here)
19:17 BrianT I can do some reading on the autoincriment, thanks
19:18 pianohacker If the database is set up correctly, then it's probably a problem elsewhere; do you know where the Koha error log is?
19:18 BrianT no
19:18 pianohacker Let me see where your tutorial would have put it
19:21 pianohacker Hmm, if I'm understanding this correctly, it should be under /var/log/koha/; do you have a file browser in webmin ?
19:22 BrianT no but I think I can get there with the terminal
19:25 BrianT oooooooooooookkkkkkk  lots of errors
19:25 gmcharlt BrianT: cool, copy the last 50 lines or so into pastebin.com and give us the URL it spits back
19:26 BrianT k just sec
19:26 gmcharlt well, not cool that there are errors, but we'll fix those ... you know what I mean ;)
19:28 BrianT http://pastebin.com/d362cf138
19:28 BrianT first time to use pastebin. . . I like :)
19:28 pianohacker Ahh, there's the ticket. For some reason, the patron's home branch is not set in the borrower addition screen
19:29 pianohacker Most of the rest is just search debugging info that really ought to be cleaned up
19:29 wizzyrea oh, right, you have to set up a library before you can add patrons
19:29 BrianT ah that must be the reason I'm getting a null drop down box for branch in several places
19:29 gmcharlt BrianT: exactly
19:30 BrianT is that within koha or done at install?
19:30 wizzyrea depends, did you install the demo libraries?
19:30 wizzyrea if not, it's in the administration area
19:30 pianohacker Yup. There's some sample data in the Koha installation directory you can load in (under installer/data/mysql/en/optional/, it's just SQL you can copy and run), or you can just add some libraries under Administration
19:31 BrianT the one option I didn'
19:31 BrianT install because I'm a single branch
19:32 BrianT got it thanks guys--
19:32 pianohacker BrianT: Then all you have to do is add one branch under Administration (with a branchcode of MAIN or something similar)
19:33 BrianT yep-- ok, I have definitely been skooled ;)
19:33 pianohacker @karma yep
19:33 munin pianohacker: Karma for "yep" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1.
19:34 pianohacker :)
19:34 BrianT heh
19:36 pianohacker Anything else we can help with?
19:36 BrianT Anything I can do for you guys? thank-you-- I can give, pay it forward, etc?
19:37 gmcharlt BrianT: pay it forward
19:37 pianohacker i.e., stay up late and answer questions from people in far-off time zones
19:38 chris heh
19:38 BrianT hehe
19:38 BrianT thanks again
19:46 rhcl Ah, this must have been what nahuel was talking about earlier. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06[…]html?ref=business
19:47 chris nice work slef, wizzyrea, gmcharlt and pianohacker
19:47 chris team_koha++
19:48 chris ohh that is good news rhcl
19:48 chris thats nz and france now, that the RIAA and its cronies have been defeated
19:48 chris wonder where they will try next
19:49 gmcharlt try to turn the thumbscrews even tighter in the US, I wouldn't wonder
19:51 rhcl It's my sense that the tide, however slight, is against them.
19:51 chris i hope you are right
19:52 chris i think they fit the dead white males tag quite well
19:52 chris and hopefully the tide is against them the world over :)
19:54 rhcl You know, I just don't think the RIAA fought this war very smartly. They have come across as the bad guy, when they probably could have achieved some of their goals in a much more consumer-friendly way.
19:54 gmcharlt ecorrado++ # wiki updates
19:55 chris rhcl: you are very right
19:55 chris ohhh
19:55 gmcharlt plane landing, time to power off
19:56 chris ecorrado++
19:56 chris wifi_on_planes++
20:10 wizzyrea koha really ought to spit back "you need to set up a library before doing this" when a situation like BrianT's comes up
20:15 ryan wizzyrea: agreed -- if there's not already a bug for that, it'd be good to have one.
20:18 wizzyrea i'll look and see
20:18 jmr Hello from PTFS
20:18 wizzyrea if there's a bug
20:18 wizzyrea hiya
20:18 chris hiya jmr
20:18 jmr I need to address something that was just said on this listserv in absolute error, about pTFS
20:18 chris you just missed jwagner
20:19 atz wizzyrea: there's just too many places that depend on branch existing
20:19 jmr Bottom line my understanding, which could be incorretc is that we were accused of making legal threats
20:19 wizzyrea atz: welp... i guess that's why we have many eyes on it :P
20:19 chris we should do nicer error messages in general tho, we fail silently a bit to much eh?
20:20 wizzyrea but I can appreciate that it's a lot to fix
20:20 chris jmr: you will need to talk to slef about that, but i think he will be asleep by now
20:20 chris or at least not at his keyboard anymore
20:20 atz jmr: i haven't seen any such message
20:20 jmr ok, just to be clear that is not the case - just the opposite.  Thaks
20:26 brendan @wunder my office
20:26 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found.
20:26 brendan munin - it's right here I swear
20:26 munin brendan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
20:28 chris @wunder wellington
20:28 munin chris: Error: No such location could be found.
20:28 chris @wunder wellington, new zealand
20:28 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on June 11, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
20:28 brendan @wunder 93117
20:28 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 21.5°C (1:26 PM PDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady).
20:28 brendan won that one chris
20:30 chris :)
20:30 chris sounds much more pleasant where you are
20:31 richard hi
20:32 wizzyrea hallo richard
20:36 chris hey richard :)
20:51 Sharon Jo Liz is loving your catalog interface
20:51 Sharon not that we're peaking or anything
20:52 wizzyrea peeking*
21:03 Jo morning all
21:04 Jo can anyone point me to where abouts in 2.2.9 I can set authories or permissions for workers
21:05 chris got to the member page
21:05 chris 2 secs jo ill find you the url
21:05 Jo thansk Chris.
21:07 Jo i've got 2 workers: 1 who can access acquisitions, and 1 who can't ... odd
21:07 chris its called modify users flags for some reason  :)
21:07 Jo ah cool - i saw that ...
21:07 Jo didn't think it was that though :)
21:07 chris yep thats the one
21:07 Jo great.
21:08 Jo i knew it was there somewhere ..
21:08 Jo hows the whanau?
21:08 chris kahu is engrossed in 'in the night garden' the other 2 havent surfaced yet
21:08 Jo sounds like you are really having a lovely month together .. so pleased for you all.
21:09 Jo seems i have to grant suyper user privleges .. can't isolate tojust catalogue and acquaisitions.
21:10 chris yeah thats fixed in 3.0 .. and fixed even better in 3.2 (Thanks to atz)
21:10 Jo ok thats ok. i'm trying to set up a card for our supplier so they can add orders and check the issue counts for stats etc.
21:11 Jo ok - got it.
21:11 Jo thanks Chris.
21:28 wizzyrea is there a better license than creative commons for koha documentation?
21:28 wizzyrea (i'm sure there are opinions here... and I'm preparing to duck)
21:28 chris ahh we talked about this for the wiki 2 secs
21:29 wizzyrea I was going to do CC BY-NC-SA
21:29 wizzyrea attribute:non-commercial:share-alike
21:30 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=relicensing
21:31 wizzyrea Ohhh yea
21:31 wizzyrea hmm
21:31 wizzyrea hehe, someone in #kohakansas just suggested setting up a bot to answer common koha questions
21:31 wizzyrea like "I've just installed, but searching doesn't work"
21:33 wizzyrea well I probably should license it with the GPL
21:33 wizzyrea considering
21:43 wizzyrea Think I'll use GNU FDL (free documentation license)
21:53 chris someone didnt like that, and i cant remember why
21:54 wizzyrea bah, well if something better or different comes up, I'll change it
21:54 wizzyrea but my brain's not big enough to see a problem with it
21:54 wizzyrea so it stays for now
22:04 chris ttp://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ​ic/koha/2009-May/018246.html
22:05 chris http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]9-May/018246.html
22:05 chris even
22:06 wizzyrea but they don't say what the problems *are*
22:06 chris yeah
22:06 wizzyrea it's all well and good to say "no, that's not compatible" but you have to say WHY
22:06 wizzyrea to convince me, anyway
22:06 chris yep
22:07 wizzyrea ultimately I"ll probably change it to gpl, just to be compatible
22:07 wizzyrea but, it's time to pick up spud
22:07 wizzyrea so ttyl
22:07 wizzyrea :)
22:07 chris cya later
23:16 mugwump hi, I've got a problem with my koha instance, for some reason no searches are working - eg, following the "Author" link from a link doesn't work.
23:16 mugwump I traced the database statements, and no search commands were issued
23:19 mugwump (what I mean is I didn't see my search terms in the issued SQL)
23:20 slef mugwump: zebra or NoZebra installation?
23:20 mugwump that's an interesting lead
23:21 mugwump I need to update zebra huh
23:21 slef just if it's a zebra-using koha, you won't see search terms in the issued SQL
23:21 mugwump indeed
23:21 slef because they'll be sent to zebra
23:21 slef try searching your zebra with yaz-client
23:22 slef I emailed some notes on how to a month or so ago
23:22 slef I think it's start yaz-client, then auth username password, then open localhost:9990, then f searchterm
23:22 slef but I'm not at work just now
23:22 mugwump hmm, no zebra daemon running
23:22 slef that'd break stuff
23:23 mugwump silently, in this case
23:23 slef yeah, I'm a bit surprised about this, but I've seen it on other servers
23:23 slef koha should die screaming if zebra isn't answering when it should be
23:23 mugwump sorry for asking simple questions, I'm a substitute admin ... how's it normally started in a typical installation?  no rc script here
23:24 slef as a temporary fix, zebrasrv -f /etc/koha-conf.xml (or whatever your KOHA_CONF is)
23:24 slef I think
23:24 slef again, I'm not at work just now
23:24 slef only popped in to shut down my workstation
23:25 slef hehe
23:25 mugwump thanks, that's a massive help :)
23:26 slef wizzyrea_away: http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/fdl
23:28 chris mugwump: im on leave at home at the moment or id come down and give you a hand :)
23:28 mugwump chris: come down?  I'm UP
23:28 mugwump top of Mt Vic :)
23:29 chris ahh, i mean level 2 or 3 or wherever you normally sit :)
23:29 mugwump :)
23:29 mugwump hmm I need to run zebraidx... it's not as simple as starting the server
23:30 slef look in the README for reindex
23:30 slef there's a perl script to help
23:30 slef or maybe the INSTALL
23:30 slef I'm tiiiired
23:30 chris rebuild_zebra.pl is the one
23:30 chris checkout INSTALL.debian
23:31 slef rebuild not reindex, right
23:32 chris :)
23:35 mugwump alrighty ... search results returned
23:36 chris sweet
23:36 chris what version are you running mugwump?
23:40 chris ok, me has to head out
23:44 mugwump 3.0.0-beta
23:45 mugwump oh, actually the tarball doesn't think it was a beta, but the readme did
23:45 mugwump strange, the zebra running from the init script doesn't seem to work.  running it as root did... hmm
23:47 mugwump ah, looks like a simple issue
23:51 mason prolly user-permission related...
23:52 mason ie: only 'koha' user has access perms to the *.db files
23:53 mugwump yeah, because I ran them as root... fixed :)
23:53 mason yeah, a common mistake by me too ;)
23:53 mugwump I guess I should test the queue daemon ... eg adding an item and check it shows in searched
00:07 mason mugwump: gimme a ping if you need a hand...
02:41 slef I'll buy you a diamond ring my friend if it makes you feel alright. I'll get you anything my friend if it makes you feel alright 'Cause I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love.
02:41 slef I'll give you all I got to give if you say you love me too. I may not have a lot to give but what I got I'll give to you. I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love
02:41 slef Say you don't need no diamond ring and I'll be satisfied. Tell me that you want the kind of thing that money just can't buy. I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love.
04:30 brendan @wunder 93103
04:30 munin brendan: The current temperature in Upper Riviera - Camino Alto, Santa Barbara, California is 15.2°C (9:30 PM PDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising).
04:31 brendan @wunder 93103 tomorrow
04:31 munin brendan: The current temperature in Upper Riviera - Camino Alto, Santa Barbara, California is 15.2°C (9:30 PM PDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising).
04:45 mason @wunder porpoise spit
04:45 munin mason: Error: No such location could be found.
04:51 richard heh
04:57 brendan heya mason -- hello richard
04:57 richard hi brendan
04:58 brendan munin although you are useful sometimes -- you're like a vulcan -- no idea of humor
04:58 munin brendan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
05:09 chris evening
05:10 brendan evening chris
05:10 brendan munin -- you awake?
05:10 munin brendan: I suck
05:26 brendan munin help
05:26 munin brendan: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
05:26 chris @karma
05:26 munin chris: Highest karma: "paul_p" (50), "hdl_laptop" (39), and "chris" (29).  Lowest karma: "savannah" (-3), "encoding" (-3), and "ie" (-2).  You (chris) are ranked 3 out of 237.
05:26 brendan chris ++
05:27 chris i dont think it likes spaces
05:27 chris @karma brendan
05:27 munin chris: brendan has neutral karma.
05:27 brendan munin <command>
05:27 munin brendan: downloading the Perl source
05:27 chris brendan++
05:27 brendan yeah
05:27 brendan yay
05:30 chris @quote random
05:30 munin chris: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009)
05:31 chris @gcalc 4.28kg in pounds
05:31 munin chris: 4.28 kilograms = 9.43578482 pounds
05:32 mason @gcalc meaning of life
05:32 munin mason: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:33 chris heh
05:33 mason im hoping for an easter-egg somewhere...
05:33 chris you should write one :)
05:34 chris i think galen was putting the plugins up in a git repo
05:34 brendan mason -- the answer is 42
05:34 mason yeah, i was hoping to get 42 back..
05:35 richard nice toy, that bot
05:35 richard cyas
05:35 mason heya folks
05:41 brendan @gcalc 93 miles an hour in km
05:41 munin brendan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:41 chris @gcalc 93 mph in kmph
05:41 munin chris: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:41 chris @gcalc 93 mph in km
05:42 munin chris: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:42 chris darn
05:42 chris @gcalc 1 usd in nzd
05:42 munin chris: 1 U.S. dollar = 1.59693389 New Zealand dollars
05:42 chris ohh our dollar must have rallied
05:42 brendan @gcalc 93mph
05:42 munin brendan: 93 mph = 41.57472 m / s
05:43 brendan @gcalc 93mph kmh
05:43 munin brendan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
05:43 brendan @gcalc 93mph in kilometers per hour
05:43 munin brendan: 93 mph = 149.668992 kilometers per hour
05:43 brendan yeah munin
05:44 chris nice
05:44 brendan never give up - never surrender
05:51 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2[…]-edges-All-Whites <--- what the hell
06:03 chris bonjour hdl_laptop
06:03 hdl_laptop hi chris
06:03 hdl_laptop howdy ?
06:06 brendan munin do you have the time ?
06:06 munin brendan: I suck
06:07 brendan @gclac 11pm PST equals what time UTC
06:07 munin brendan: I suck
06:08 brendan @quote random
06:08 munin brendan: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009)
06:10 chris hdl_laptop: doing ok, hows things with you?
06:19 brendan how goes the SOPAC integration into Koha ?
06:23 chris i think they have pretty much finished that brendan
06:23 chris hi magnusenger :)
06:23 brendan sweet
06:23 magnusenger Hi chris!
06:24 chris hows norway today?
06:24 brendan @wunder norway
06:24 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found.
06:30 chris @wunder Bjørga, norway
06:30 munin chris: Error: No such location could be found.
06:30 chris @wunder oslo, norway
06:30 munin chris: The current temperature in Voksenlia, Oslo, Norway is 8.7°C (8:28 AM CEST on June 11, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Steady).
06:30 chris wow its as cold as here
06:31 chris :)
06:33 chris bbiab
06:40 brendan @gcalc 8.7 degrees C in degrees F
06:40 munin brendan: 8.7 degrees Celsius = 47.66 degrees Fahrenheit
06:41 magnusenger Well, I can only speak for Bodø... We have +12,5 C, no wind to speak of and a gradient of clouds ranging from clear blue sky at one end to grey at the other. And we have the knowledge that the very first Norwegian library has decided to convert from a proprietary system to Koha!
06:49 brendan yay about the library
06:57 magnusenger Indeed! It's an academic library with two librarians, but it's a very promising start, methinks
07:04 elwell indeed
07:18 chris woo hoo thats excellent
07:18 chris magnusenger: how far away from Bjørga are you?
07:18 chris my ex girlfriend now lives there with her norwegian husband :)
07:19 magnusenger chris: not sure, where's Bjørga? *Running off to Google maps*
07:20 chris 11 hours away by car apparently
07:20 chris :)
07:22 chris my parents have visited norway, and say its very beautiful, its on my list of places to visit, maybe some day i can visit the koha library there :)
07:23 magnusenger about 370 kilometers, according to Google Earth
07:23 magnusenger hopefully there will be more than one in the not too distant future, too!
07:24 Kivutar hello all!
07:24 magnusenger we are planning a conference on libraries and FOSS in november, but i'm afraid the main language will be norwegian
07:25 chris that doesnt give me much time to learn hehe
07:25 chris maybe next time :)
07:25 chris hello Kivutar  :)
07:28 nicomo hi all
07:28 nicomo hi magnusenger
07:28 nicomo congrats on the new job
07:29 magnusenger thanks, nicomo!
07:29 chris hi nicomo
07:29 nicomo hi chris : not too sleepy?
07:29 chris i have crazy sleep patterns now
07:29 chris lots of naps :)
07:29 nicomo lol
07:30 nicomo yeah, I have faint memories of these times
07:30 nicomo working/sleeping/eating/takingcare : all at once
07:31 chris yeah
07:31 chris im not working at the mo, so just cleaning house/washing laundry/eating/sleeping/taking care :-)
07:57 chris brb
08:04 brendan hey nahuel!
08:07 nahuel hi brendan !
08:07 nahuel what's up?
08:07 brendan just getting ready to go to bed -- how about u
08:08 brendan it's good to get a chance to say hi - every so often...  
08:09 brendan nahuel -- I've got a really bad joke for you - before I go to bed.....
08:10 nahuel ah ?
08:10 nahuel tell me :)
08:10 nahuel brendan, what time is it ?
08:10 brendan what happened to the shaggy dog when he jumped in the swimming pool ?
08:10 brendan it's 1 am here....  
08:10 nahuel late :)
08:10 brendan the answer to the joke --- he got wet
08:11 nahuel what's a shaggy dog ?
08:11 brendan a dog with a lot of hair
08:11 nahuel ahah ok
08:11 brendan what time is it for you
08:11 nahuel 10 am
08:12 brendan ha -- IRC is great for that
08:12 brendan ok - good night nahuel and all #koha
08:12 nahuel brendan, good night brendan :)
08:13 nahuel see you soon
08:13 Jo night Brendan
08:40 slef @wunder Bod, NORWAY
08:40 munin slef: Error: No such location could be found.
08:41 magnusenger slef: Thats Bodø with a &oslash; - or Bodo or Bodoe ;-)
08:41 slef @wunder Bodo, NORWAY
08:41 munin slef: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on June 11, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady).
08:42 slef magnusenger: there we go!
08:42 slef something on my irc client is eating oslashes
08:42 magnusenger slef: sounds just about right too!
08:43 magnusenger the dreaded oslasheater?
08:43 chris heh
08:43 slef it's like an anteater but with a wider mouth so the bar fits in
08:43 chris slef, did you see nz came close to beating italy in football, i think the world would end if that had happened
08:47 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2[…]-edges-All-Whites
08:53 magnusenger don't worry, norway beat brazil in the world cup in 1998, and we're still here... ;-)
08:54 slef no, was busy watching England shooting fish in a barrel
08:54 slef also known as playing Andorra
08:54 chris oh yeah but norway would thrash new zealand :)
08:54 chris i think only 14 people in nz play football, and thats the nz team
08:54 chris :-)
08:56 slef yeah, you need 23 these days
08:57 chris heh
09:00 chris should i stay awake to watch nz play ireland in cricket .. i think no
09:01 chris i shoulda timed this baby for when the tour de france is on
09:01 chris then i would have an excuse to stay up late watching it
09:04 slef heh
09:04 slef Julian Dean is going nowhere fast
09:04 chris yeah its a shame
09:04 slef any rising stars to watch for?
09:04 slef The Daphine Libere is on this week
09:04 slef David Millar keeps trying to win stages. Has threatened three.
09:04 chris there was an aussie guy, who i watched blitz everyone in the tour of wellington
09:05 slef I think Cadel is leading Dauphine at the mo
09:07 chris greg henderson maybe
09:07 chris http://www.cyclingnz.com/cnz4_news.php?n=3192
10:06 slef 676
10:06 slef ww
10:17 chris heh
11:24 slef @bug 3313
11:24 munin slef: Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3313 normal, P3, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, bulkauthimport.pl doesn't import MARC21 subdivision records
11:39 chris heya jwagner
11:39 chris find that movie yet?
11:43 jwagner Sorry, was off on another screen.  Haven't gotten my hands on a copy of it yet, but I've seen the preview on Amazon.  Gonna have to track it down!
11:43 chris i have it on vhs .. but its PAL not ntsc
11:43 jwagner I'm not sure how buying downloadable movies from Amazon works -- whether I can keep replaying, transfer to DVD, whatever.
11:43 chris hmm yeah good question
11:44 jwagner I have to get my friend scouring the darker reaches of the net -- it must be out there somewhere.  He is good at finding things....
11:45 chris :-)
11:45 jwagner Just reread my collection over the weekend.  Hadn't read them in a while -- lots of fun.
11:46 jwagner (And I've known cats like Horse!)
11:46 chris hehe yeah, ours is a little like that
11:49 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0pWejAnLUQ <-- theme song from the movie
11:49 chris has bits of the movie in the video
11:54 jwagner Now that is silly :-)  But very good.  What are those instruments that look like flutes with a 90 degree angle?

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