Time Nick Message 12:19 slef elwell: hrm, worst I've had is client->client->our-hardware->rackowner->landlord 12:20 slef wouldn't really want to be on the bottom of a tree like that, but it takes all sorts 12:20 slef actually, this is us->client->cheap_reseller->??unknown?? 12:20 slef so it could be as bad or worse 12:47 kf nahuel: just saw your patch - renewals in issuing rules is a great feature! My library will be really happy about this. :) 12:47 nahuel héhé 12:47 nahuel it's not the end 12:47 nahuel I'm going to work on reserves in issuing rules 12:47 nahuel (a little more complicated 12:47 nahuel )à 12:54 kf yes, I believe thats really difficult, but I think it will be a great plus for Koha in the end 12:55 kf testing "fine days" now :) 14:33 wizzyrea @wunder lawrence, ks 14:33 munin wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 18.2°C (9:33 AM CDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising). 14:33 wizzyrea hey that's neat 14:34 ebegin cool... does this work only with US cities? 14:34 ebegin @wunder montreal, qc 14:34 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 14:34 ebegin no such location could be found :) 14:34 gmcharlt @wunder montreal 14:35 munin gmcharlt: Error: No such location could be found. 14:35 gmcharlt @wunder montreal, quebec 14:35 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 15.0°C (10:00 AM EDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Rising). 14:35 ebegin Cool :) 14:35 gmcharlt @wunder cmh 14:35 munin gmcharlt: The current temperature in Columbus, Ohio is 21.0°C (9:51 AM EDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling). 14:35 ebegin @wunder montreal, pq 14:35 munin ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. 14:36 gmcharlt @gcalc 21 C in F 14:36 munin gmcharlt: I suck 14:36 gmcharlt @gcalc 21.0 C in F 14:36 munin gmcharlt: downloading the Perl source 14:36 gmcharlt @google calc 21.0 C in F 14:36 munin gmcharlt: 21.0 degrees Celsius = 69.8 degrees Fahrenheit 14:36 ebegin hehe... 14:36 gmcharlt @alias gcalc Google calc $* 14:36 munin gmcharlt: I suck 14:37 gmcharlt @alias add gcalc Google calc $* 14:37 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. 14:37 gmcharlt @gcalc 21.0 C in F 14:37 munin gmcharlt: 21.0 degrees Celsius = 69.8 degrees Fahrenheit 14:37 gmcharlt @dunno add I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 14:37 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Dunno #4 added. 14:42 wizzyrea gmcharlt: munin must be one of your more amusing projects 14:42 wizzyrea i'm using supybot on kohakansas for logging... I named it PaulBunyan 14:42 wizzyrea I lol'd 14:42 gmcharlt wizzyrea++ 14:46 elwell @quote random 14:46 munin elwell: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009) 14:48 elwell meh, it should just pull a random (non blank) line of source code and see if we recognise it 14:48 elwell or of course we could do some real work :-/ 14:53 gmcharlt elwell: it's a supybot, so feel free to write a plugin :) 15:09 ryan @list bugzilla 15:09 munin ryan: add, attachment, bug, and query 15:11 kf or a random bug to fix 15:11 ryan @bug 2655 15:11 munin ryan: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2655 major, P2, ---, jmf@liblime.com, REOPENED, Items waiting on the hold shelf display as "Available" in OPAC 15:14 wizzyrea ryan: are you working on that? 15:16 wizzyrea or was that a test of the random stuff 15:31 nahuel YEAH ! 15:31 nahuel we win 15:31 nahuel the french law against illegal downloading and privacy life ! 15:33 wizzyrea nahuel: Nice! 15:34 nahuel :p 15:35 ryan wizzyrea: just testing 18:21 wizzyrea if you are iterested, there is a kegger meeting going on at the state lib of kansas wimba room at http://webj.wimba.com/launcher.cgi?room=ks_adastra log in as participant 18:25 chris morning 18:26 slef grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrragh 18:26 pianohacker mornin' 18:26 chris whoa, nice welcome slef :) 18:26 slef "your .htaccess file may have been removed as part of hosting accounts being cleaned one by one to remove all traces of the malware attack that our systems have suffered" 18:27 slef sorry, I'm beside myself with rage at this hosting provider 18:27 slef like they sent me the above 18:27 chris ohh, thats a very clownish thing to do 18:27 pianohacker Ahh, the joys of shared hosting 18:28 slef so did our htaccess file contain malware (=> we need to review our systems more closely) or not? 18:28 chris 'we have no idea what we are doing, here lemme start deleting stuff, that will fix it' 18:28 slef yeah, I know exactly what company is behind this 18:28 chris wimba hates me wizzyrea 18:28 slef ultimately, it's the DirectI/PDR/LogicBoxes confusopoly 18:28 chris hates me and my lack of java 18:29 slef java-- 18:30 slef it also whinges about not being allowed pop-up windows 18:30 chris the_island_of_java_not_the_programming_language++ 18:30 slef heh I have Java installed but it doesn't detect it 18:30 slef bad code 18:30 wizzyrea aw, that's ot cool 18:30 pianohacker wimba-- 18:30 wizzyrea stupid wimba 18:30 slef so let's try starting it anyway 18:30 wizzyrea it's not really my platform of choice 18:30 pianohacker I remember fighting that tool for several hours just trying to get it to connect, let alone work 18:31 chris webinar software seems like a problem no one has solved well yet 18:31 wizzyrea omg, don't even get me started... between wimba and OPAL 18:31 wizzyrea ./wrist 18:31 slef chris++ 18:31 slef http://www.generatesuccess.co.uk/why-i-didnt-buy-some-online-courses/46 18:32 slef that's not a webinar, it's a limited-platform java application pretending to be one 18:32 slef anyway, let me email this rant back at the ISP 18:32 chris :) 18:33 chris i have someone yelling 'daddy' 18:33 chris but its only 6.34am 18:33 chris do i go get him up, and possibly set a trend .. or leave him yelling and wake the baby? 18:33 slef plastic baggie over the head? 18:33 slef soundproof box? 18:33 chris that may have been alright in the 50's 18:34 chris but they frown on that now :) 18:34 slef damn Human Rights Acts and political correctness, eh? 18:34 chris hehe 18:35 slef erm, voicemail from PTFS US. Wasn't my "drop your threat or talk to our lawyers" message clear enough? 18:35 slef time to email them again... ho hum 18:35 wizzyrea whoa what happened now?1 18:35 wizzyrea ! 18:35 slef wizzyrea: nah, this is old stuff 18:36 wizzyrea slef: oic 18:36 wizzyrea whew 18:36 slef wizzyrea: off-list fall-out from that January news release 18:36 slef don't know about other signatories, but I'm tired of it all 18:36 chris yeah legal threats might have been alright in the 50's but we frown on that now 18:36 slef hehehe 18:37 slef flogging dead horses might have been alright in the 50's but we frown on that now 18:37 chris lol 18:37 slef pianohacker: I'm getting it on at least three fronts this week. Expect much ranting and too little code from me :( 18:38 slef I want to build stuff 18:38 slef I don't want people to steal it 18:38 slef I don't want to battle awkward service providers 18:38 slef I don't want to be in court 18:38 slef that pretty much covers my ambitions just now 18:41 wizzyrea slef: oh right, I remember this. 18:41 wizzyrea lawsuits-- 18:44 BrianT anyone want to answer some noob questions? 18:45 pianohacker BrianT: Sure, what's up? 18:46 slef please! any distraction from this! 18:46 BrianT well I'm following Andy Giesler's tutorial on setting up Koha, I am up to the point of being able to log in to the staff interface, but when I try to add patrons it says patron doesn't exist 18:47 wizzyrea have you defined patron types? 18:47 pianohacker Hmm. That happens when you click on the Add Patron button? 18:47 slef Andy Giesler's tutorial on setting up Koha? 18:47 BrianT I'm using the sample patron types and I tried under staff, board, and library 18:47 BrianT http://www.blazingmoon.org/guides/k3-on-u810-8.html 18:48 BrianT link is the tutorial 18:48 wizzyrea you have javascript turned on in your browser? (stab in dark) 18:49 slef so what URL do you try to add patrons at and what do you click to do it and exactly what text does it reply with,please? 18:49 BrianT http://127.0.1.1:8080/cgi-bin/koha/members/memberentry.pl?op=add&categorycode=PT 18:50 BrianT url for adding patrons 18:51 BrianT so I fill in the fields that are required and then click save 18:52 BrianT then I get http://127.0.1.1:8080/cgi-bin/koha/members/moremember.pl?borrowernumber=0 18:52 BrianT This patron does not exist 18:52 slef I remember something about borrowernumber=0 18:52 slef searching 18:53 slef paul_p said "if you log in with the mySQL login/password, you are borrowernumber=0, and many features don't work" 18:53 slef not quite the same 18:54 wizzyrea hm, but he can't seem to add another patron to make his superlibrarian 18:54 slef this looks like the database isn't working right 18:54 slef because it's returning 0 as mysql_insert_id 18:54 BrianT doh 18:55 slef wizzyrea: yes, it's not this problem 18:55 slef need to create a user 18:55 slef BrianT: does the koha ... no, that won't work 18:55 slef hrrrrm 18:56 slef looking at the tutorial again 18:57 chris still at the airport gmcharlt ? 18:57 gmcharlt chris: no, on the airplane 18:57 gmcharlt inflight wifi 18:57 BrianT nice 18:57 chris ohh look at you mr fancy pants 18:57 slef gmcharlt: can you read the last 20 minutes IRC log please? 18:57 chris :) 18:58 gmcharlt slef: looking 18:58 slef I'm sure I remember something about borrowernumber=0 but I can't find it 18:58 slef user problem 18:58 slef if it's not too expensive for you :) 18:58 gmcharlt flat fee for flight, so I'm not paying by the bit ;) 18:58 slef is that satellite or what? 18:59 slef I can't even get stable internet from uktrain - although the spanish AVE worked well at 300kph 19:00 gmcharlt slef: not sure - provided by aircell.com, but website didn't immediately say how they're doing it 19:01 slef BrianT: any problems installing the database? 19:01 gmcharlt slef: looks like terrestial, not sat 19:01 BrianT not that I know of 19:02 BrianT I could try installing it again though 19:02 pianohacker BrianT: If you run DESCRIBE borrowers, does the borrowernumber line have AUTO_INCREMENT on it? 19:02 slef can you open it in mysql or phpmyadmin? 19:02 slef then look at the borrowers table like pianohacker suggests :) 19:03 chris id check the apache error log too 19:03 chris see if there is an error being thrown 19:03 slef good move - look near the end of koha-error_log 19:04 BrianT I'm still getting used to Webmin (yes I know, I have gui guilt) can I search for it that way? 19:05 slef I don't know webmin. Can you get mysql open that way? 19:05 slef However you do it, you want to look at the properties of the borrowernumber field in the borrowers table/relation 19:05 slef gmcharlt: can you remember what causes borrowernumber=0? 19:05 gmcharlt slef: been a while since I've seen it - problem with autoincrement would be my first guess 19:07 slef @bbc5live football commentary "I don't know what the point is of Andorra" 19:07 munin slef: downloading the Perl source 19:07 wizzyrea webmin = servers -> mysql -> open the koha db 19:07 BrianT yes I can go through webmin 19:07 wizzyrea then show tables 19:08 pianohacker wizzyrea++, I don't have any experience with webmin 19:08 wizzyrea it gives me gui guilt as well 19:08 wizzyrea i really needed it a couple of years ago, before I learned the command line tools 19:09 wizzyrea but haven't needed it much lately 19:09 wizzyrea sometimes it's super useful, however 19:09 BrianT I don't see a show tables option 19:10 wizzyrea 1s, I'll try to get a screenshot 19:10 gmcharlt if webmin has a file browser, may be able to look at the Apache logs as well 19:10 slef hey, I use control panels a lot... just not webmin because it doesn't seem to make life much easier :) 19:10 BrianT :) 19:10 BrianT I don't see any tables listed should there be? 19:11 wizzyrea so you've selected the db 19:11 wizzyrea do you see the lil green folders? 19:11 BrianT yes I'm inside koha 19:11 slef moving to laptop biab 19:11 wizzyrea do you see the borrowers table? 19:11 wizzyrea folder = table 19:12 BrianT I can even get to borrowernumber under dropdown 19:12 BrianT default value is set to null 19:13 BrianT correction in borrower_attributes 19:14 slef wrong one 19:14 BrianT ah 19:14 slef you are in a mazy of twisty tables, all slightly different 19:14 slef need to be in borrowers and check borrowernumber there 19:14 slef see if it says auto_increment 19:14 slef or something like that 19:15 BrianT oh and I just read too many tables to display so I need to search 19:15 BrianT ok 19:15 BrianT yes it does 19:17 wizzyrea (this is where I get fuzzy, i dont' know the koha innards that well, not as well as others here) 19:17 BrianT I can do some reading on the autoincriment, thanks 19:18 pianohacker If the database is set up correctly, then it's probably a problem elsewhere; do you know where the Koha error log is? 19:18 BrianT no 19:18 pianohacker Let me see where your tutorial would have put it 19:21 pianohacker Hmm, if I'm understanding this correctly, it should be under /var/log/koha/; do you have a file browser in webmin ? 19:22 BrianT no but I think I can get there with the terminal 19:25 BrianT oooooooooooookkkkkkk lots of errors 19:25 gmcharlt BrianT: cool, copy the last 50 lines or so into pastebin.com and give us the URL it spits back 19:26 BrianT k just sec 19:26 gmcharlt well, not cool that there are errors, but we'll fix those ... you know what I mean ;) 19:28 BrianT http://pastebin.com/d362cf138 19:28 BrianT first time to use pastebin. . . I like :) 19:28 pianohacker Ahh, there's the ticket. For some reason, the patron's home branch is not set in the borrower addition screen 19:29 pianohacker Most of the rest is just search debugging info that really ought to be cleaned up 19:29 wizzyrea oh, right, you have to set up a library before you can add patrons 19:29 BrianT ah that must be the reason I'm getting a null drop down box for branch in several places 19:29 gmcharlt BrianT: exactly 19:30 BrianT is that within koha or done at install? 19:30 wizzyrea depends, did you install the demo libraries? 19:30 wizzyrea if not, it's in the administration area 19:30 pianohacker Yup. There's some sample data in the Koha installation directory you can load in (under installer/data/mysql/en/optional/, it's just SQL you can copy and run), or you can just add some libraries under Administration 19:31 BrianT the one option I didn' 19:31 BrianT install because I'm a single branch 19:32 BrianT got it thanks guys-- 19:32 pianohacker BrianT: Then all you have to do is add one branch under Administration (with a branchcode of MAIN or something similar) 19:33 BrianT yep-- ok, I have definitely been skooled ;) 19:33 pianohacker @karma yep 19:33 munin pianohacker: Karma for "yep" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. 19:34 pianohacker :) 19:34 BrianT heh 19:36 pianohacker Anything else we can help with? 19:36 BrianT Anything I can do for you guys? thank-you-- I can give, pay it forward, etc? 19:37 gmcharlt BrianT: pay it forward 19:37 pianohacker i.e., stay up late and answer questions from people in far-off time zones 19:38 chris heh 19:38 BrianT hehe 19:38 BrianT thanks again 19:46 rhcl Ah, this must have been what nahuel was talking about earlier. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/11/technology/internet/11net.html?ref=business 19:47 chris nice work slef, wizzyrea, gmcharlt and pianohacker 19:47 chris team_koha++ 19:48 chris ohh that is good news rhcl 19:48 chris thats nz and france now, that the RIAA and its cronies have been defeated 19:48 chris wonder where they will try next 19:49 gmcharlt try to turn the thumbscrews even tighter in the US, I wouldn't wonder 19:51 rhcl It's my sense that the tide, however slight, is against them. 19:51 chris i hope you are right 19:52 chris i think they fit the dead white males tag quite well 19:52 chris and hopefully the tide is against them the world over :) 19:54 rhcl You know, I just don't think the RIAA fought this war very smartly. They have come across as the bad guy, when they probably could have achieved some of their goals in a much more consumer-friendly way. 19:54 gmcharlt ecorrado++ # wiki updates 19:55 chris rhcl: you are very right 19:55 chris ohhh 19:55 gmcharlt plane landing, time to power off 19:56 chris ecorrado++ 19:56 chris wifi_on_planes++ 20:10 wizzyrea koha really ought to spit back "you need to set up a library before doing this" when a situation like BrianT's comes up 20:15 ryan wizzyrea: agreed -- if there's not already a bug for that, it'd be good to have one. 20:18 wizzyrea i'll look and see 20:18 jmr Hello from PTFS 20:18 wizzyrea if there's a bug 20:18 wizzyrea hiya 20:18 chris hiya jmr 20:18 jmr I need to address something that was just said on this listserv in absolute error, about pTFS 20:18 chris you just missed jwagner 20:19 atz wizzyrea: there's just too many places that depend on branch existing 20:19 jmr Bottom line my understanding, which could be incorretc is that we were accused of making legal threats 20:19 wizzyrea atz: welp... i guess that's why we have many eyes on it :P 20:19 chris we should do nicer error messages in general tho, we fail silently a bit to much eh? 20:20 wizzyrea but I can appreciate that it's a lot to fix 20:20 chris jmr: you will need to talk to slef about that, but i think he will be asleep by now 20:20 chris or at least not at his keyboard anymore 20:20 atz jmr: i haven't seen any such message 20:20 jmr ok, just to be clear that is not the case - just the opposite. Thaks 20:26 brendan @wunder my office 20:26 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found. 20:26 brendan munin - it's right here I swear 20:26 munin brendan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 20:28 chris @wunder wellington 20:28 munin chris: Error: No such location could be found. 20:28 chris @wunder wellington, new zealand 20:28 munin chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on June 11, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). 20:28 brendan @wunder 93117 20:28 munin brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 21.5°C (1:26 PM PDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady). 20:28 brendan won that one chris 20:30 chris :) 20:30 chris sounds much more pleasant where you are 20:31 richard hi 20:32 wizzyrea hallo richard 20:36 chris hey richard :) 20:51 Sharon Jo Liz is loving your catalog interface 20:51 Sharon not that we're peaking or anything 20:52 wizzyrea peeking* 21:03 Jo morning all 21:04 Jo can anyone point me to where abouts in 2.2.9 I can set authories or permissions for workers 21:05 chris got to the member page 21:05 chris 2 secs jo ill find you the url 21:05 Jo thansk Chris. 21:07 Jo i've got 2 workers: 1 who can access acquisitions, and 1 who can't ... odd 21:07 chris its called modify users flags for some reason :) 21:07 Jo ah cool - i saw that ... 21:07 Jo didn't think it was that though :) 21:07 chris yep thats the one 21:07 Jo great. 21:08 Jo i knew it was there somewhere .. 21:08 Jo hows the whanau? 21:08 chris kahu is engrossed in 'in the night garden' the other 2 havent surfaced yet 21:08 Jo sounds like you are really having a lovely month together .. so pleased for you all. 21:09 Jo seems i have to grant suyper user privleges .. can't isolate tojust catalogue and acquaisitions. 21:10 chris yeah thats fixed in 3.0 .. and fixed even better in 3.2 (Thanks to atz) 21:10 Jo ok thats ok. i'm trying to set up a card for our supplier so they can add orders and check the issue counts for stats etc. 21:11 Jo ok - got it. 21:11 Jo thanks Chris. 21:28 wizzyrea is there a better license than creative commons for koha documentation? 21:28 wizzyrea (i'm sure there are opinions here... and I'm preparing to duck) 21:28 chris ahh we talked about this for the wiki 2 secs 21:29 wizzyrea I was going to do CC BY-NC-SA 21:29 wizzyrea attribute:non-commercial:share-alike 21:30 chris http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=relicensing 21:31 wizzyrea Ohhh yea 21:31 wizzyrea hmm 21:31 wizzyrea hehe, someone in #kohakansas just suggested setting up a bot to answer common koha questions 21:31 wizzyrea like "I've just installed, but searching doesn't work" 21:33 wizzyrea well I probably should license it with the GPL 21:33 wizzyrea considering 21:43 wizzyrea Think I'll use GNU FDL (free documentation license) 21:53 chris someone didnt like that, and i cant remember why 21:54 wizzyrea bah, well if something better or different comes up, I'll change it 21:54 wizzyrea but my brain's not big enough to see a problem with it 21:54 wizzyrea so it stays for now 22:04 chris ttp://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-May/018246.html 22:05 chris http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-May/018246.html 22:05 chris even 22:06 wizzyrea but they don't say what the problems *are* 22:06 chris yeah 22:06 wizzyrea it's all well and good to say "no, that's not compatible" but you have to say WHY 22:06 wizzyrea to convince me, anyway 22:06 chris yep 22:07 wizzyrea ultimately I"ll probably change it to gpl, just to be compatible 22:07 wizzyrea but, it's time to pick up spud 22:07 wizzyrea so ttyl 22:07 wizzyrea :) 22:07 chris cya later 23:16 mugwump hi, I've got a problem with my koha instance, for some reason no searches are working - eg, following the "Author" link from a link doesn't work. 23:16 mugwump I traced the database statements, and no search commands were issued 23:19 mugwump (what I mean is I didn't see my search terms in the issued SQL) 23:20 slef mugwump: zebra or NoZebra installation? 23:20 mugwump that's an interesting lead 23:21 mugwump I need to update zebra huh 23:21 slef just if it's a zebra-using koha, you won't see search terms in the issued SQL 23:21 mugwump indeed 23:21 slef because they'll be sent to zebra 23:21 slef try searching your zebra with yaz-client 23:22 slef I emailed some notes on how to a month or so ago 23:22 slef I think it's start yaz-client, then auth username password, then open localhost:9990, then f searchterm 23:22 slef but I'm not at work just now 23:22 mugwump hmm, no zebra daemon running 23:22 slef that'd break stuff 23:23 mugwump silently, in this case 23:23 slef yeah, I'm a bit surprised about this, but I've seen it on other servers 23:23 slef koha should die screaming if zebra isn't answering when it should be 23:23 mugwump sorry for asking simple questions, I'm a substitute admin ... how's it normally started in a typical installation? no rc script here 23:24 slef as a temporary fix, zebrasrv -f /etc/koha-conf.xml (or whatever your KOHA_CONF is) 23:24 slef I think 23:24 slef again, I'm not at work just now 23:24 slef only popped in to shut down my workstation 23:25 slef hehe 23:25 mugwump thanks, that's a massive help :) 23:26 slef wizzyrea_away: http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/fdl 23:28 chris mugwump: im on leave at home at the moment or id come down and give you a hand :) 23:28 mugwump chris: come down? I'm UP 23:28 mugwump top of Mt Vic :) 23:29 chris ahh, i mean level 2 or 3 or wherever you normally sit :) 23:29 mugwump :) 23:29 mugwump hmm I need to run zebraidx... it's not as simple as starting the server 23:30 slef look in the README for reindex 23:30 slef there's a perl script to help 23:30 slef or maybe the INSTALL 23:30 slef I'm tiiiired 23:30 chris rebuild_zebra.pl is the one 23:30 chris checkout INSTALL.debian 23:31 slef rebuild not reindex, right 23:32 chris :) 23:35 mugwump alrighty ... search results returned 23:36 chris sweet 23:36 chris what version are you running mugwump? 23:40 chris ok, me has to head out 23:44 mugwump 3.0.0-beta 23:45 mugwump oh, actually the tarball doesn't think it was a beta, but the readme did 23:45 mugwump strange, the zebra running from the init script doesn't seem to work. running it as root did... hmm 23:47 mugwump ah, looks like a simple issue 23:51 mason prolly user-permission related... 23:52 mason ie: only 'koha' user has access perms to the *.db files 23:53 mugwump yeah, because I ran them as root... fixed :) 23:53 mason yeah, a common mistake by me too ;) 23:53 mugwump I guess I should test the queue daemon ... eg adding an item and check it shows in searched 00:07 mason mugwump: gimme a ping if you need a hand... 02:41 slef I'll buy you a diamond ring my friend if it makes you feel alright. I'll get you anything my friend if it makes you feel alright 'Cause I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love. 02:41 slef I'll give you all I got to give if you say you love me too. I may not have a lot to give but what I got I'll give to you. I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love 02:41 slef Say you don't need no diamond ring and I'll be satisfied. Tell me that you want the kind of thing that money just can't buy. I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love. 04:30 brendan @wunder 93103 04:30 munin brendan: The current temperature in Upper Riviera - Camino Alto, Santa Barbara, California is 15.2°C (9:30 PM PDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising). 04:31 brendan @wunder 93103 tomorrow 04:31 munin brendan: The current temperature in Upper Riviera - Camino Alto, Santa Barbara, California is 15.2°C (9:30 PM PDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising). 04:45 mason @wunder porpoise spit 04:45 munin mason: Error: No such location could be found. 04:51 richard heh 04:57 brendan heya mason -- hello richard 04:57 richard hi brendan 04:58 brendan munin although you are useful sometimes -- you're like a vulcan -- no idea of humor 04:58 munin brendan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 05:09 chris evening 05:10 brendan evening chris 05:10 brendan munin -- you awake? 05:10 munin brendan: I suck 05:26 brendan munin help 05:26 munin brendan: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 05:26 chris @karma 05:26 munin chris: Highest karma: "paul_p" (50), "hdl_laptop" (39), and "chris" (29). Lowest karma: "savannah" (-3), "encoding" (-3), and "ie" (-2). You (chris) are ranked 3 out of 237. 05:26 brendan chris ++ 05:27 chris i dont think it likes spaces 05:27 chris @karma brendan 05:27 munin chris: brendan has neutral karma. 05:27 brendan munin <command> 05:27 munin brendan: downloading the Perl source 05:27 chris brendan++ 05:27 brendan yeah 05:27 brendan yay 05:30 chris @quote random 05:30 munin chris: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009) 05:31 chris @gcalc 4.28kg in pounds 05:31 munin chris: 4.28 kilograms = 9.43578482 pounds 05:32 mason @gcalc meaning of life 05:32 munin mason: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. 05:33 chris heh 05:33 mason im hoping for an easter-egg somewhere... 05:33 chris you should write one :) 05:34 chris i think galen was putting the plugins up in a git repo 05:34 brendan mason -- the answer is 42 05:34 mason yeah, i was hoping to get 42 back.. 05:35 richard nice toy, that bot 05:35 richard cyas 05:35 mason heya folks 05:41 brendan @gcalc 93 miles an hour in km 05:41 munin brendan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. 05:41 chris @gcalc 93 mph in kmph 05:41 munin chris: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. 05:41 chris @gcalc 93 mph in km 05:42 munin chris: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. 05:42 chris darn 05:42 chris @gcalc 1 usd in nzd 05:42 munin chris: 1 U.S. dollar = 1.59693389 New Zealand dollars 05:42 chris ohh our dollar must have rallied 05:42 brendan @gcalc 93mph 05:42 munin brendan: 93 mph = 41.57472 m / s 05:43 brendan @gcalc 93mph kmh 05:43 munin brendan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. 05:43 brendan @gcalc 93mph in kilometers per hour 05:43 munin brendan: 93 mph = 149.668992 kilometers per hour 05:43 brendan yeah munin 05:44 chris nice 05:44 brendan never give up - never surrender 05:51 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2490805/Italy-just-edges-All-Whites <--- what the hell 06:03 chris bonjour hdl_laptop 06:03 hdl_laptop hi chris 06:03 hdl_laptop howdy ? 06:06 brendan munin do you have the time ? 06:06 munin brendan: I suck 06:07 brendan @gclac 11pm PST equals what time UTC 06:07 munin brendan: I suck 06:08 brendan @quote random 06:08 munin brendan: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009) 06:10 chris hdl_laptop: doing ok, hows things with you? 06:19 brendan how goes the SOPAC integration into Koha ? 06:23 chris i think they have pretty much finished that brendan 06:23 chris hi magnusenger :) 06:23 brendan sweet 06:23 magnusenger Hi chris! 06:24 chris hows norway today? 06:24 brendan @wunder norway 06:24 munin brendan: Error: No such location could be found. 06:30 chris @wunder Bjørga, norway 06:30 munin chris: Error: No such location could be found. 06:30 chris @wunder oslo, norway 06:30 munin chris: The current temperature in Voksenlia, Oslo, Norway is 8.7°C (8:28 AM CEST on June 11, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Steady). 06:30 chris wow its as cold as here 06:31 chris :) 06:33 chris bbiab 06:40 brendan @gcalc 8.7 degrees C in degrees F 06:40 munin brendan: 8.7 degrees Celsius = 47.66 degrees Fahrenheit 06:41 magnusenger Well, I can only speak for Bodø... We have +12,5 C, no wind to speak of and a gradient of clouds ranging from clear blue sky at one end to grey at the other. And we have the knowledge that the very first Norwegian library has decided to convert from a proprietary system to Koha! 06:49 brendan yay about the library 06:57 magnusenger Indeed! It's an academic library with two librarians, but it's a very promising start, methinks 07:04 elwell indeed 07:18 chris woo hoo thats excellent 07:18 chris magnusenger: how far away from Bjørga are you? 07:18 chris my ex girlfriend now lives there with her norwegian husband :) 07:19 magnusenger chris: not sure, where's Bjørga? *Running off to Google maps* 07:20 chris 11 hours away by car apparently 07:20 chris :) 07:22 chris my parents have visited norway, and say its very beautiful, its on my list of places to visit, maybe some day i can visit the koha library there :) 07:23 magnusenger about 370 kilometers, according to Google Earth 07:23 magnusenger hopefully there will be more than one in the not too distant future, too! 07:24 Kivutar hello all! 07:24 magnusenger we are planning a conference on libraries and FOSS in november, but i'm afraid the main language will be norwegian 07:25 chris that doesnt give me much time to learn hehe 07:25 chris maybe next time :) 07:25 chris hello Kivutar :) 07:28 nicomo hi all 07:28 nicomo hi magnusenger 07:28 nicomo congrats on the new job 07:29 magnusenger thanks, nicomo! 07:29 chris hi nicomo 07:29 nicomo hi chris : not too sleepy? 07:29 chris i have crazy sleep patterns now 07:29 chris lots of naps :) 07:29 nicomo lol 07:30 nicomo yeah, I have faint memories of these times 07:30 nicomo working/sleeping/eating/takingcare : all at once 07:31 chris yeah 07:31 chris im not working at the mo, so just cleaning house/washing laundry/eating/sleeping/taking care :-) 07:57 chris brb 08:04 brendan hey nahuel! 08:07 nahuel hi brendan ! 08:07 nahuel what's up? 08:07 brendan just getting ready to go to bed -- how about u 08:08 brendan it's good to get a chance to say hi - every so often... 08:09 brendan nahuel -- I've got a really bad joke for you - before I go to bed..... 08:10 nahuel ah ? 08:10 nahuel tell me :) 08:10 nahuel brendan, what time is it ? 08:10 brendan what happened to the shaggy dog when he jumped in the swimming pool ? 08:10 brendan it's 1 am here.... 08:10 nahuel late :) 08:10 brendan the answer to the joke --- he got wet 08:11 nahuel what's a shaggy dog ? 08:11 brendan a dog with a lot of hair 08:11 nahuel ahah ok 08:11 brendan what time is it for you 08:11 nahuel 10 am 08:12 brendan ha -- IRC is great for that 08:12 brendan ok - good night nahuel and all #koha 08:12 nahuel brendan, good night brendan :) 08:13 nahuel see you soon 08:13 Jo night Brendan 08:40 slef @wunder Bod, NORWAY 08:40 munin slef: Error: No such location could be found. 08:41 magnusenger slef: Thats Bodø with a ø - or Bodo or Bodoe ;-) 08:41 slef @wunder Bodo, NORWAY 08:41 munin slef: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on June 11, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). 08:42 slef magnusenger: there we go! 08:42 slef something on my irc client is eating oslashes 08:42 magnusenger slef: sounds just about right too! 08:43 magnusenger the dreaded oslasheater? 08:43 chris heh 08:43 slef it's like an anteater but with a wider mouth so the bar fits in 08:43 chris slef, did you see nz came close to beating italy in football, i think the world would end if that had happened 08:47 chris http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2490805/Italy-just-edges-All-Whites 08:53 magnusenger don't worry, norway beat brazil in the world cup in 1998, and we're still here... ;-) 08:54 slef no, was busy watching England shooting fish in a barrel 08:54 slef also known as playing Andorra 08:54 chris oh yeah but norway would thrash new zealand :) 08:54 chris i think only 14 people in nz play football, and thats the nz team 08:54 chris :-) 08:56 slef yeah, you need 23 these days 08:57 chris heh 09:00 chris should i stay awake to watch nz play ireland in cricket .. i think no 09:01 chris i shoulda timed this baby for when the tour de france is on 09:01 chris then i would have an excuse to stay up late watching it 09:04 slef heh 09:04 slef Julian Dean is going nowhere fast 09:04 chris yeah its a shame 09:04 slef any rising stars to watch for? 09:04 slef The Daphine Libere is on this week 09:04 slef David Millar keeps trying to win stages. Has threatened three. 09:04 chris there was an aussie guy, who i watched blitz everyone in the tour of wellington 09:05 slef I think Cadel is leading Dauphine at the mo 09:07 chris greg henderson maybe 09:07 chris http://www.cyclingnz.com/cnz4_news.php?n=3192 10:06 slef 676 10:06 slef ww 10:17 chris heh 11:24 slef @bug 3313 11:24 munin slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=3313 normal, P3, ---, jmf@liblime.com, NEW, bulkauthimport.pl doesn't import MARC21 subdivision records 11:39 chris heya jwagner 11:39 chris find that movie yet? 11:43 jwagner Sorry, was off on another screen. Haven't gotten my hands on a copy of it yet, but I've seen the preview on Amazon. Gonna have to track it down! 11:43 chris i have it on vhs .. but its PAL not ntsc 11:43 jwagner I'm not sure how buying downloadable movies from Amazon works -- whether I can keep replaying, transfer to DVD, whatever. 11:43 chris hmm yeah good question 11:44 jwagner I have to get my friend scouring the darker reaches of the net -- it must be out there somewhere. He is good at finding things.... 11:45 chris :-) 11:45 jwagner Just reread my collection over the weekend. Hadn't read them in a while -- lots of fun. 11:46 jwagner (And I've known cats like Horse!) 11:46 chris hehe yeah, ours is a little like that 11:49 chris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0pWejAnLUQ <-- theme song from the movie 11:49 chris has bits of the movie in the video 11:54 jwagner Now that is silly :-) But very good. What are those instruments that look like flutes with a 90 degree angle?