IRC log for #koha, 2008-02-14

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11:54 gmcharlt custard: on Debian, those sockets get created automatically when Zebra starts up
11:54 gmcharlt I'll have to play around with it on the Mac to see if I can figure out what's going on
12:14 custard Thanks.
14:22 gmcharlt custard: so it looks like the issue is why the installer didn't create that directory
14:33 custard gmcharlt: I missed the first bit, but I think we've both got to the same point. Missing directories, hence nowhere to write the files.
14:33 gmcharlt yep; just need to figure out why the installer is failing to create that directory on OS X
14:42 custard sounds like time to go rummaging through some files.
14:48 custard but I think some sleep first.
14:48 gmcharlt ok -- good night :)
14:49 custard and to you too. Thanks for looking into that.
14:49 paul s/quickly/soon/
14:49 gmcharlt yeah, not quite dark yet in Chicago :)
17:55 fbcit chris around?
18:01 owen fbcit: It's a little early for NZ folks
19:23 CGI111 Can anyone kindly assist me with a problem I'm having?
22:05 Deb hi, just testing my irc.  
22:06 Deb Do you see this?
22:06 Deb Anyone?
22:08 Deb chris
22:14 Deb mj, can you see me?
22:14 mj i deb
22:14 mj i can see you
22:14 Deb great
22:14 mj that's the reason I came online
22:14 Deb I just set up this irc
22:14 Deb thank you!!!!
22:14 mj read your email, and happened to sit at my pc
22:15 Deb I'm using mirc having tried chatzilla
22:15 mj i'll see if i can attend tomorrow as well
22:15 Deb Anyway it looks like I have it working.  
22:15 mj right, i'm via the web irc clent
22:15 mj on
22:15 Deb That'd be great.
22:15 Deb Yes, I didn't want to use that web irc client
22:15 mj yep, so i guess I'll see you tomorrow.
22:15 Deb Others may be using it.
22:15 Deb thanks mj
22:15 mj (though i don't know what to expect...)
22:16 Deb oh--don't go just yet
22:16 jo (Jo is sitting here in Nz feeling slightly embarrassed that I am here a day early ...)
22:16 Deb jo, i'm lol
22:16 mj i'm still here
22:16 jo I am too .. now
22:16 Deb mj I'll send out a note stating what to expect
22:16 mj oh that's good.
22:16 Deb I'm a little late on the uptake due to real job
22:16 jo see you tomorow then!
22:16 Deb see you both then!
22:16 mj (even then, I'm not sure what i could ADD, but we'll see...)
22:16 Deb thanks!
22:17 Deb mj, please come
22:17 Deb you'll add lots, trust me!
22:17 mj haha
22:17 mj i'll try to be there.
22:17 Deb it's all about getting a group together and sharing
22:17 Deb thoughts and expectations
22:17 Deb great
22:17 Deb toodles for now!
22:17 mj see you tomorrow.
22:18 Deb yep.
22:18 Deb btw are you mj the developer?
22:18 mj oh no. :-)
22:18 mj i need to change a different nick
22:18 Deb you do wind surfing?
22:18 Deb in NZ?
22:18 mj mj happen to be my first initials...
22:19 Deb oh
22:19 mj i'll be mouk tomorrow
22:19 Deb never mind --Gilda Radner style.
22:19 Deb what's mouk?
22:19 mj avoid confusion...
22:19 mj my nick tomorrow
22:19 Deb oh
22:19 mj nickname
22:19 Deb whatever.  mj is fine
22:19 custard Deb: EST your time?
22:20 Deb right now?  it's 4:22pm
22:20 Deb oh, no EST is East Coast
22:20 Deb I'm in the Midwest--Minneapolis, mn
22:20 Deb CST
22:20 custard (just found a post about the IRC meeting and trying work out when it is where I am)
22:20 Deb where are you?
22:21 custard west aus.
22:21 Deb Did you see the post about the time zones?
22:21 Deb on the Koha listserv?
22:21 custard no, but I'll go looking for it now.
22:22 Deb Rick sent it and has a link to determine the time.
22:22 mj
22:22 Deb I'm not so good with time zones or dates.
22:22 Deb thanks mj
22:22 Deb will one of you stay on this channel for 5 more minutes?
22:23 Deb I want to log off and log back in.
22:23 JoRansom I will
22:23 mj i will, max 10
22:23 JoRansom Hi Deb
22:23 custard EST is also Eastern Standard Time, ie what Sydney when it's not doing that wacky daylight saving thing, and given Koha's NZ afiilliations that was vaugely concievable.
22:24 JoRansom its 11.23am in NZ
22:24 Deb Hi again.  I disconnected and reconnected all by myself
22:24 JoRansom so the meeting tomorrow is 9am NZ time I think
22:24 Deb how 'bout that?!
22:24 Deb Let me think.
22:24 JoRansom well done
22:25 Deb 3pm EST is 9am NZ time.
22:25 Deb so Jo you are correct.
22:25 Deb I believe a few folks plan to join the conversation
22:26 Deb from NZ and AU
22:26 matthewboh Deb Bergeron?
22:26 Deb Yes.  Who are you?
22:26 matthewboh Matt - got your email about checking IRC - so yes, you're on
22:26 Deb I can't tell by the nickname.
22:26 Deb Thanks!
22:27 matthewboh np - hopefully see you tomorrow
22:27 Deb I better go.  I've got to help someone else get an IRC.
22:31 custard oi, now that's an early start. Kicks of at 0500 here.
22:36 mj 0500...! and planning to attend?
22:38 custard I was thinking about listening/watching. Having a few second thoughts, but we'll see when I get to bed tonight.
22:38 mj maybe you can read to logs afterwards.
22:38 mj the
22:39 custard that might be an idea.
22:41 mj so see you tomorrow perhaps.
22:41 mj bye bye
22:41 custard ok. see you.
23:16 daberge02 rickw
23:16 daberge02 are you still on?
23:21 daberge02 anyone here?
23:39 saskia testing
23:43 rickw hello saskia
23:43 rickw you aren't "deb" yb any chance, R U?
23:43 rickw daberge02 - R U you "deb" ?
23:44 rickw CGI093 - R U using the web-based client ?
23:44 CGI093 No, I'm not. Yes, I'm using web-client
23:44 rickw okay
23:44 CGI093 just testing for tomorrow
23:44 rickw the prob with the web-based client is your nick is not too informative :)
23:45 rickw try: /nick mynickname
23:45 rickw is deb bergeron here?
23:46 saskia I think she has already left
23:46 rickw okay i'
23:46 rickw ll wait for her to rejoin
23:46 rickw is the KUDOS meeting going to be on this channel?
23:46 saskia I think so
23:46 rickw okay
23:46 rickw there will be a lot of nicks of the form CGInnn tomorrow :(
23:47 saskia then we will have to remind them to pick a nickname will we
23:48 saskia ok, this works
23:48 saskia see you tomorrow
23:48 rickw orkee dorkee
00:07 Deb rick?
00:08 Deb Anyone?
00:17 rickw hello deb
00:17 Deb finally!
00:17 Deb we connect
00:17 rickw yup
00:17 Deb I'm new to IRC clients
00:17 rickw it is easy as cake
00:18 rickw or a piece of pie :)
00:18 Deb so I'm sitting here playing with it
00:18 Deb right--not!
00:18 rickw which client R U using?
00:18 Deb mirc
00:18 Deb I don't think it's free
00:18 rickw good ... much better than the web interface
00:18 Deb I tried ff chatzilla first and couldn't figure it out
00:18 rickw i dunno about free ... i am using a Unix hsell client
00:18 rickw shell not hsell
00:18 Deb of course you are!
00:18 Deb I'm on a windows machine!
00:19 rickw i am so sorry for you!
00:19 Deb sorry for the flurry of !!!!
00:19 rickw !!!! no prob !!!!
00:19 Deb me to :-((
00:19 rickw i can pm (private messazge you() like this
00:19 Deb could you help me understand something
00:19 rickw no-one else can see the pm
00:19 rickw yes ?
00:20 Deb that's nifty
00:20 rickw you just did ... when you reply to a pm it should open a new IRC chat window
00:20 Deb how do I do it?
00:20 Deb Ya, but how do I do it from scratch?
00:20 rickw okay: /msg rickw hi therer rick
00:20 rickw (all commands start with a slahs /)
00:20 rickw slash
00:21 rickw and no-one else sees that :)
00:21 rickw you had a question?
00:21 Deb Yes
00:21 Deb I'm connected to citylink
00:22 Deb what is that and how is it related to katipo?
00:23 rickw there a thousnads of IRC servers on the Interweb
00:23 Deb ok
00:23 rickw and they can talk to each other and relay messages
00:23 Deb ok
00:23 rickw we are on the same server
00:23 rickw you emailed me for my phone nuymber
00:23 rickw do you want to call me in Aysney Aus?
00:23 rickw Sudney
00:23 Deb I thought the server was irc.katipo.something...
00:23 Deb phone call--I wasn't sure I was doing this
00:24 Deb correctly, the IRCing, so I thought if we chatted v2v
00:24 Deb with our computers in front of us I would know I've connected
00:24 Deb properly.
00:24 Deb I don't know why I kept missing you.
00:24 rickw if you are on channel #Koha and can see the other nicknames, you have connected OKAY
00:25 rickw i have been on this channel for hours :)
00:25 Deb that's what I thought.  I did it correctly the first time.  
00:25 rickw i have watched you come and go
00:25 rickw but sometimes i was away from my desk
00:25 Deb embarrassed
00:25 rickw newbie!
00:25 Deb yep
00:25 rickw you can express something about yourself like this: /me is embarrased
00:25 rickw e.g.
00:26 Deb I see names on the right. Are all of those people on?
00:26 rickw yes
00:26 Deb how'd you do that?
00:26 rickw they are called nicks
00:26 rickw how do i do what?
00:26 Deb yep, i know they're nicks
00:26 Deb why don't they answer when I write 'anyone there?'
00:26 Deb make your name purple?
00:27 rickw because they don't care to or they are not at their computers
00:27 rickw i didn't make my name purple ... your client did
00:27 rickw is that the "blushes" bit?
00:27 Deb oh
00:27 Deb yes, the blushes.
00:27 rickw do this: /me hiccups
00:27 rickw see above: you can express something about yourself like this: /me is embarrased
00:27 Deb where can I learn the commands?
00:27 rickw help is your friend
00:28 rickw there are lots and lots of IRC commands
00:28 Deb yes  I just need to know the syntax
00:28 rickw oops
00:28 rickw i made a mess
00:28 rickw i just type in this: /help
00:28 Deb I was used to being in MUDD's previously for school
00:28 Deb of course
00:29 Deb didn't have time to look at help today
00:29 rickw the important thing on IRC is seurity (like with anything on the Net)
00:29 Deb did you have an opportunity to look at the email I sent?
00:29 rickw if someone sends you a file or something else unsolicited, think twice before accepting it
00:29 Deb ok
00:29 rickw it is best to "Just say no" unless you asked for a file to be sent to you
00:29 Deb so I should really have a real nickname
00:30 rickw and *never* lanuch an application that someone sends you -- good way to get a virus
00:30 Deb never do
00:30 rickw you have a real nickname. it is Deb
00:30 Deb but it's my real name
00:30 rickw that's fine
00:30 Deb ok
00:30 rickw some geeks like strange nicks like W00bl1es
00:30 rickw and that kind of crap
00:30 Deb that's all fine but I get confused
00:30 rickw why?
00:31 Deb I can't keep them straight
00:31 Deb in school I'd meet the people on our MUDD and I had to try to keep their names and avatars correct in my head.  Couldn't do it.
00:31 rickw oh
00:32 rickw it is like any ocnversation ... i just focus on two or three people at a time
00:32 rickw even when there a hundred on the channel
00:32 rickw i think it will become quite chaotic tomorrow for KUDOS if there are more than ten people on the channel all yacking at the same time!
00:32 Deb that was the problem.  We had 25 people and all met via the MUDD for class every week.
00:33 Deb Good news--I type fast and can keep several threads going at once.
00:33 Deb so can we have a private chat now?
00:33 rickw i am a bit busy
00:33 rickw other things to do
00:33 Deb ok
00:33 rickw did you want to ask something specific?
00:33 Deb no, just play.
00:34 Deb will you be at the meeting tomorrow?
00:34 Deb And did you see the email?
00:34 rickw i saw amny emails from you
00:34 rickw yes, i will try to be up at 7:00am tomorrow
00:34 rickw and I will capture it all in a log file
00:34 Deb oh my!
00:35 Deb the one about the meeting and what we'll 'discuss'
00:35 Deb do you have any thoughts?
00:35 Deb did I miss something?
00:35 Deb should I add something?
00:35 rickw h5
00:36 Deb what's 'h5'
00:36 rickw hang five (seconds)
00:36 rickw or "wait a sec"
00:36 rickw okay ... read the email
00:36 rickw lokos good
00:36 Deb great
00:36 rickw i would avise poeple using the web-based chat to assign themsevles a nick
00:36 rickw otherwise their nick lloks like CGI0182
00:36 rickw yuck
00:37 Deb right.  How do you do that again?  Is it /nick
00:37 rickw all theyhave to do is this: /nick idiothead
00:37 idiothead LOL
00:37 Deb right
00:37 idiothead i am an idiot
00:37 ricko good! yo re geeting the hang of it
00:37 ricko you aonly need to learn a few commands
00:38 Deb what is your job? and are you in AU?
00:38 ricko not all 15609 of them!
00:38 ricko in AU, doing computer consulting,mentoring
00:38 ricko installing Koha on for clients
00:38 ricko e.g. is a new one we are currently working on
00:38 Deb do you support koha in the same way LibLime does in the U.S.?
00:38 ricko no
00:39 ricko very small enterprise at this end :)
00:39 ricko okay .. caught up with work
00:39 Deb love to talk to you about it when you have time and off the IRC
00:40 ricko Australia said "Sorry" to the indigeonous peoples (aborigines) here yesterday. a great day and a move forwards for everyone
00:40 ricko i was just posing the Candaian case example about "Sorry" (Canada did it 10 years ago)
00:40 ricko are you in America?
00:40 Deb i have no idea what you mean
00:40 Deb yes
00:40 ricko okay
00:40 Deb in America
00:41 ricko in Canada, (I am Canadian) the government took chilkdren away from native families and housed them in state-run schoosls
00:41 Deb why?
00:41 ricko in an attempt to "whiten" them and integrate them into white culture
00:41 ricko it was a terrible thing to do ... and didnot work
00:41 Deb no suprise there
00:41 ricko it alienated a lot of young poeple and they never saw their families again
00:41 Deb were you one of them?
00:42 ricko Canada apoligsed to the First Nation people and now pays the victims compensataion.
00:42 ricko Ausstalia began the process yesterday.
00:42 ricko it is about time.
00:42 ricko no, i am of Ukrainian + Scots descent
00:42 Deb ok I understand your point now.
00:42 ricko but the situation is very easy to understand: imagine if you were removed from your family at the age of thee and never saw any of them again. sigh.
00:42 Deb does that mean you're very frugal--scottish part
00:42 ricko yes, frugal
00:43 ricko i don't have a car ... i ride a bike. it is cheazr!
00:43 ricko i am installing solar hot water ... t is chearper to run!
00:43 ricko i make dinnner ... it is cheaper than eating out.
00:43 ricko well, i jest.
00:43 Deb wow!  I want solar soooo bad
00:43 ricko Sydney has the best restuarant/cafe culuter in the world and I love eating out!
00:43 ricko the solar will cost $3700
00:43 ricko but the govbernment then rebates me about $1800
00:44 Deb lol. I don't eat out much.  Cook myself.
00:44 ricko so it comes out to being about 2 x the cost of electric hot water
00:44 ricko but it uses 70% less electricity
00:44 ricko so it pays for itslf in about 3 years
00:44 Deb In the U.S. solar is very expensive.
00:44 ricko which city are you in?
00:44 Deb If I were to do my house it would be about $20,000.
00:44 Deb St. Paul, MN
00:44 ricko holy crikies? 20K !
00:44 ricko that is pricey!
00:45 ricko i wonder if the vested interests keep the price high, i.e. the oil industry
00:45 ricko you in the twin cities?
00:45 Deb That's for solar panels and hot water.
00:45 ricko ah ...  am just doing solat HW
00:45 ricko not electricity
00:45 Deb I think it is the oil industry.
00:45 ricko solar HW is simple: the sun hets H2O in pipes and it circulates into a tank
00:45 Deb Yes, I realize you are only doing hw
00:45 ricko no solar panels
00:45 ricko solar panels are $$$$
00:46 Deb hmmm I'll check hw again.
00:46 ricko so, the system i am going for as 2m x 2m of pips and a 220 L tank
00:46 Deb I'd love to live entirely off the grid.
00:46 ricko (2 yd and 2 yd and about 50 gallons)
00:46 Deb Have you ever used a solar oven?
00:46 ricko yes, it would be nice
00:46 ricko no, not a solar oven
00:46 ricko but it gets so hot here you could fry an egg on the boonet of your car (the hood)
00:47 Deb where do you live?
00:47 ricko Sydney
00:47 Deb that's right.  You have people there who've built houses underground
00:47 ricko yes
00:47 ricko Cooper Pedy
00:47 ricko in the great Aussie outback
00:47 Deb so they don't have to heat their homes and use solar for lighting
00:47 Deb YES
00:47 ricko they need it.  45 C (120 F) in the day
00:47 ricko but cool as cucumbers undergraound
00:47 ricko the opal mining area
00:48 Deb I'd have problems with no sunlight.
00:48 ricko yeah me too
00:48 Deb I have thought of building into a hill.
00:48 ricko i guess you can use skylights or some such thing
00:48 ricko my house has four skylights
00:48 ricko makes abig difference
00:48 Deb in the 70's it was a popular idea
00:48 ricko yeah
00:48 ricko hobbits!
00:48 Deb the skylights work well.  I thought of that too
00:49 Deb my house has lots of window and built in 1947.
00:49 Deb IT's small and compact.
00:49 Deb I hve ceiling fans in every room.  I use my ac 1-3 times a year.
00:50 Deb Well, this has been great and I'd love to chat more, but I need to go now.
00:50 ricko no air con here ... (Scots cheapness) but only reallyneed it a few adys year
00:50 ricko daysw
00:50 ricko okay
00:50 ricko i hope to get up for the KUDOS tomorrow
00:50 ricko byeeeeeeeeee
00:50 Deb I hve to be back here at 7am in the morning. We're shutting down our server.
04:49 aTa hi al
04:49 aTa all*
04:49 aTa Wots going on?
04:50 aTa Anyone using Koha on windows here?

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