Time Nick Message 11:54 gmcharlt custard: on Debian, those sockets get created automatically when Zebra starts up 11:54 gmcharlt I'll have to play around with it on the Mac to see if I can figure out what's going on 12:14 custard Thanks. 14:22 gmcharlt custard: so it looks like the issue is why the installer didn't create that directory 14:33 custard gmcharlt: I missed the first bit, but I think we've both got to the same point. Missing directories, hence nowhere to write the files. 14:33 gmcharlt yep; just need to figure out why the installer is failing to create that directory on OS X 14:42 custard sounds like time to go rummaging through some files. 14:48 custard but I think some sleep first. 14:48 gmcharlt ok -- good night :) 14:49 custard and to you too. Thanks for looking into that. 14:49 paul s/quickly/soon/ 14:49 gmcharlt yeah, not quite dark yet in Chicago :) 17:55 fbcit chris around? 18:01 owen fbcit: It's a little early for NZ folks 19:23 CGI111 Can anyone kindly assist me with a problem I'm having? 22:05 Deb hi, just testing my irc. 22:06 Deb Do you see this? 22:06 Deb Anyone? 22:08 Deb chris 22:14 Deb mj, can you see me? 22:14 mj i deb 22:14 mj i can see you 22:14 Deb great 22:14 mj that's the reason I came online 22:14 Deb I just set up this irc 22:14 Deb thank you!!!! 22:14 mj read your email, and happened to sit at my pc 22:15 Deb I'm using mirc having tried chatzilla 22:15 mj i'll see if i can attend tomorrow as well 22:15 Deb Anyway it looks like I have it working. 22:15 mj right, i'm via the web irc clent 22:15 mj on koha.org 22:15 Deb That'd be great. 22:15 Deb Yes, I didn't want to use that web irc client 22:15 mj yep, so i guess I'll see you tomorrow. 22:15 Deb Others may be using it. 22:15 Deb thanks mj 22:15 mj (though i don't know what to expect...) 22:16 Deb oh--don't go just yet 22:16 jo (Jo is sitting here in Nz feeling slightly embarrassed that I am here a day early ...) 22:16 Deb jo, i'm lol 22:16 mj i'm still here 22:16 jo I am too .. now 22:16 Deb mj I'll send out a note stating what to expect 22:16 mj oh that's good. 22:16 Deb I'm a little late on the uptake due to real job 22:16 jo see you tomorow then! 22:16 Deb see you both then! 22:16 mj (even then, I'm not sure what i could ADD, but we'll see...) 22:16 Deb thanks! 22:17 Deb mj, please come 22:17 Deb you'll add lots, trust me! 22:17 mj haha 22:17 mj i'll try to be there. 22:17 Deb it's all about getting a group together and sharing 22:17 Deb thoughts and expectations 22:17 Deb great 22:17 Deb toodles for now! 22:17 mj see you tomorrow. 22:18 Deb yep. 22:18 Deb btw are you mj the developer? 22:18 mj oh no. :-) 22:18 mj i need to change a different nick 22:18 Deb you do wind surfing? 22:18 Deb in NZ? 22:18 mj mj happen to be my first initials... 22:19 Deb oh 22:19 mj i'll be mouk tomorrow 22:19 Deb never mind --Gilda Radner style. 22:19 Deb what's mouk? 22:19 mj avoid confusion... 22:19 mj my nick tomorrow 22:19 Deb oh 22:19 mj nickname 22:19 Deb whatever. mj is fine 22:19 custard Deb: EST your time? 22:20 Deb right now? it's 4:22pm 22:20 Deb oh, no EST is East Coast 22:20 Deb I'm in the Midwest--Minneapolis, mn 22:20 Deb CST 22:20 custard (just found a post about the IRC meeting and trying work out when it is where I am) 22:20 Deb where are you? 22:21 custard west aus. 22:21 Deb Did you see the post about the time zones? 22:21 Deb on the Koha listserv? 22:21 custard no, but I'll go looking for it now. 22:22 Deb Rick sent it and has a link to determine the time. 22:22 mj http://www.timeanddate.com/ 22:22 Deb I'm not so good with time zones or dates. 22:22 Deb thanks mj 22:22 Deb will one of you stay on this channel for 5 more minutes? 22:23 Deb I want to log off and log back in. 22:23 JoRansom I will 22:23 mj i will, max 10 22:23 JoRansom Hi Deb 22:23 custard EST is also Eastern Standard Time, ie what Sydney when it's not doing that wacky daylight saving thing, and given Koha's NZ afiilliations that was vaugely concievable. 22:24 JoRansom its 11.23am in NZ 22:24 Deb Hi again. I disconnected and reconnected all by myself 22:24 JoRansom so the meeting tomorrow is 9am NZ time I think 22:24 Deb how 'bout that?! 22:24 Deb Let me think. 22:24 JoRansom well done 22:25 Deb 3pm EST is 9am NZ time. 22:25 Deb so Jo you are correct. 22:25 Deb I believe a few folks plan to join the conversation 22:26 Deb from NZ and AU 22:26 matthewboh Deb Bergeron? 22:26 Deb Yes. Who are you? 22:26 matthewboh Matt - got your email about checking IRC - so yes, you're on 22:26 Deb I can't tell by the nickname. 22:26 Deb Thanks! 22:27 matthewboh np - hopefully see you tomorrow 22:27 Deb I better go. I've got to help someone else get an IRC. 22:31 custard oi, now that's an early start. Kicks of at 0500 here. 22:36 mj 0500...! and planning to attend? 22:38 custard I was thinking about listening/watching. Having a few second thoughts, but we'll see when I get to bed tonight. 22:38 mj maybe you can read to logs afterwards. 22:38 mj the 22:39 custard that might be an idea. 22:41 mj so see you tomorrow perhaps. 22:41 mj bye bye 22:41 custard ok. see you. 23:16 daberge02 rickw 23:16 daberge02 are you still on? 23:21 daberge02 anyone here? 23:39 saskia testing 23:43 rickw hello saskia 23:43 rickw you aren't "deb" yb any chance, R U? 23:43 rickw daberge02 - R U you "deb" ? 23:44 rickw CGI093 - R U using the web-based client ? 23:44 CGI093 No, I'm not. Yes, I'm using web-client 23:44 rickw okay 23:44 CGI093 just testing for tomorrow 23:44 rickw the prob with the web-based client is your nick is not too informative :) 23:45 rickw try: /nick mynickname 23:45 rickw is deb bergeron here? 23:46 saskia I think she has already left 23:46 rickw okay i' 23:46 rickw ll wait for her to rejoin 23:46 rickw is the KUDOS meeting going to be on this channel? 23:46 saskia I think so 23:46 rickw okay 23:46 rickw there will be a lot of nicks of the form CGInnn tomorrow :( 23:47 saskia then we will have to remind them to pick a nickname will we 23:48 saskia ok, this works 23:48 saskia see you tomorrow 23:48 rickw orkee dorkee 00:07 Deb rick? 00:08 Deb Anyone? 00:17 rickw hello deb 00:17 Deb finally! 00:17 Deb we connect 00:17 rickw yup 00:17 Deb I'm new to IRC clients 00:17 rickw it is easy as cake 00:18 rickw or a piece of pie :) 00:18 Deb so I'm sitting here playing with it 00:18 Deb right--not! 00:18 rickw which client R U using? 00:18 Deb mirc 00:18 Deb I don't think it's free 00:18 rickw good ... much better than the web interface 00:18 Deb I tried ff chatzilla first and couldn't figure it out 00:18 rickw i dunno about free ... i am using a Unix hsell client 00:18 rickw shell not hsell 00:18 Deb of course you are! 00:18 Deb I'm on a windows machine! 00:19 rickw i am so sorry for you! 00:19 Deb sorry for the flurry of !!!! 00:19 rickw !!!! no prob !!!! 00:19 Deb me to :-(( 00:19 rickw i can pm (private messazge you() like this 00:19 Deb could you help me understand something 00:19 rickw no-one else can see the pm 00:19 rickw yes ? 00:20 Deb that's nifty 00:20 rickw you just did ... when you reply to a pm it should open a new IRC chat window 00:20 Deb how do I do it? 00:20 Deb Ya, but how do I do it from scratch? 00:20 rickw okay: /msg rickw hi therer rick 00:20 rickw (all commands start with a slahs /) 00:20 rickw slash 00:21 rickw and no-one else sees that :) 00:21 rickw you had a question? 00:21 Deb Yes 00:21 Deb I'm connected to citylink 00:22 Deb what is that and how is it related to katipo? 00:23 rickw there a thousnads of IRC servers on the Interweb 00:23 Deb ok 00:23 rickw and they can talk to each other and relay messages 00:23 Deb ok 00:23 rickw we are on the same server 00:23 rickw you emailed me for my phone nuymber 00:23 rickw do you want to call me in Aysney Aus? 00:23 rickw Sudney 00:23 Deb I thought the server was irc.katipo.something... 00:23 Deb phone call--I wasn't sure I was doing this 00:24 Deb correctly, the IRCing, so I thought if we chatted v2v 00:24 Deb with our computers in front of us I would know I've connected 00:24 Deb properly. 00:24 Deb I don't know why I kept missing you. 00:24 rickw if you are on channel #Koha and can see the other nicknames, you have connected OKAY 00:25 rickw i have been on this channel for hours :) 00:25 Deb that's what I thought. I did it correctly the first time. 00:25 rickw i have watched you come and go 00:25 rickw but sometimes i was away from my desk 00:25 Deb embarrassed 00:25 rickw newbie! 00:25 Deb yep 00:25 rickw you can express something about yourself like this: /me is embarrased 00:25 rickw e.g. 00:26 Deb I see names on the right. Are all of those people on? 00:26 rickw yes 00:26 Deb how'd you do that? 00:26 rickw they are called nicks 00:26 rickw how do i do what? 00:26 Deb yep, i know they're nicks 00:26 Deb why don't they answer when I write 'anyone there?' 00:26 Deb make your name purple? 00:27 rickw because they don't care to or they are not at their computers 00:27 rickw i didn't make my name purple ... your client did 00:27 rickw is that the "blushes" bit? 00:27 Deb oh 00:27 Deb yes, the blushes. 00:27 rickw do this: /me hiccups 00:27 rickw see above: you can express something about yourself like this: /me is embarrased 00:27 Deb where can I learn the commands? 00:27 rickw help is your friend 00:28 rickw there are lots and lots of IRC commands 00:28 Deb yes I just need to know the syntax 00:28 rickw oops 00:28 rickw i made a mess 00:28 rickw i just type in this: /help 00:28 Deb I was used to being in MUDD's previously for school 00:28 Deb of course 00:29 Deb didn't have time to look at help today 00:29 rickw the important thing on IRC is seurity (like with anything on the Net) 00:29 Deb did you have an opportunity to look at the email I sent? 00:29 rickw if someone sends you a file or something else unsolicited, think twice before accepting it 00:29 Deb ok 00:29 rickw it is best to "Just say no" unless you asked for a file to be sent to you 00:29 Deb so I should really have a real nickname 00:30 rickw and *never* lanuch an application that someone sends you -- good way to get a virus 00:30 Deb never do 00:30 rickw you have a real nickname. it is Deb 00:30 Deb but it's my real name 00:30 rickw that's fine 00:30 Deb ok 00:30 rickw some geeks like strange nicks like W00bl1es 00:30 rickw and that kind of crap 00:30 Deb that's all fine but I get confused 00:30 rickw why? 00:31 Deb I can't keep them straight 00:31 Deb in school I'd meet the people on our MUDD and I had to try to keep their names and avatars correct in my head. Couldn't do it. 00:31 rickw oh 00:32 rickw it is like any ocnversation ... i just focus on two or three people at a time 00:32 rickw even when there a hundred on the channel 00:32 rickw i think it will become quite chaotic tomorrow for KUDOS if there are more than ten people on the channel all yacking at the same time! 00:32 Deb that was the problem. We had 25 people and all met via the MUDD for class every week. 00:33 Deb Good news--I type fast and can keep several threads going at once. 00:33 Deb so can we have a private chat now? 00:33 rickw i am a bit busy 00:33 rickw other things to do 00:33 Deb ok 00:33 rickw did you want to ask something specific? 00:33 Deb no, just play. 00:34 Deb will you be at the meeting tomorrow? 00:34 Deb And did you see the email? 00:34 rickw i saw amny emails from you 00:34 rickw yes, i will try to be up at 7:00am tomorrow 00:34 rickw and I will capture it all in a log file 00:34 Deb oh my! 00:35 Deb the one about the meeting and what we'll 'discuss' 00:35 Deb do you have any thoughts? 00:35 Deb did I miss something? 00:35 Deb should I add something? 00:35 rickw h5 00:36 Deb what's 'h5' 00:36 rickw hang five (seconds) 00:36 rickw or "wait a sec" 00:36 rickw okay ... read the email 00:36 rickw lokos good 00:36 Deb great 00:36 rickw i would avise poeple using the web-based chat to assign themsevles a nick 00:36 rickw otherwise their nick lloks like CGI0182 00:36 rickw yuck 00:37 Deb right. How do you do that again? Is it /nick 00:37 rickw all theyhave to do is this: /nick idiothead 00:37 idiothead LOL 00:37 Deb right 00:37 idiothead i am an idiot 00:37 ricko good! yo re geeting the hang of it 00:37 ricko you aonly need to learn a few commands 00:38 Deb what is your job? and are you in AU? 00:38 ricko not all 15609 of them! 00:38 ricko in AU, doing computer consulting,mentoring 00:38 ricko installing Koha on for clients 00:38 ricko e.g. smsa.praxi.biz is a new one we are currently working on 00:38 Deb do you support koha in the same way LibLime does in the U.S.? 00:38 ricko no 00:39 ricko very small enterprise at this end :) 00:39 ricko okay .. caught up with work 00:39 Deb love to talk to you about it when you have time and off the IRC 00:40 ricko Australia said "Sorry" to the indigeonous peoples (aborigines) here yesterday. a great day and a move forwards for everyone 00:40 ricko i was just posing the Candaian case example about "Sorry" (Canada did it 10 years ago) 00:40 ricko are you in America? 00:40 Deb i have no idea what you mean 00:40 Deb yes 00:40 ricko okay 00:40 Deb in America 00:41 ricko in Canada, (I am Canadian) the government took chilkdren away from native families and housed them in state-run schoosls 00:41 Deb why? 00:41 ricko in an attempt to "whiten" them and integrate them into white culture 00:41 ricko it was a terrible thing to do ... and didnot work 00:41 Deb no suprise there 00:41 ricko it alienated a lot of young poeple and they never saw their families again 00:41 Deb were you one of them? 00:42 ricko Canada apoligsed to the First Nation people and now pays the victims compensataion. 00:42 ricko Ausstalia began the process yesterday. 00:42 ricko it is about time. 00:42 ricko no, i am of Ukrainian + Scots descent 00:42 Deb ok I understand your point now. 00:42 ricko but the situation is very easy to understand: imagine if you were removed from your family at the age of thee and never saw any of them again. sigh. 00:42 Deb does that mean you're very frugal--scottish part 00:42 ricko yes, frugal 00:43 ricko i don't have a car ... i ride a bike. it is cheazr! 00:43 ricko i am installing solar hot water ... t is chearper to run! 00:43 ricko i make dinnner ... it is cheaper than eating out. 00:43 ricko well, i jest. 00:43 Deb wow! I want solar soooo bad 00:43 ricko Sydney has the best restuarant/cafe culuter in the world and I love eating out! 00:43 ricko the solar will cost $3700 00:43 ricko but the govbernment then rebates me about $1800 00:44 Deb lol. I don't eat out much. Cook myself. 00:44 ricko so it comes out to being about 2 x the cost of electric hot water 00:44 ricko but it uses 70% less electricity 00:44 ricko so it pays for itslf in about 3 years 00:44 Deb In the U.S. solar is very expensive. 00:44 ricko which city are you in? 00:44 Deb If I were to do my house it would be about $20,000. 00:44 Deb St. Paul, MN 00:44 ricko holy crikies? 20K ! 00:44 ricko that is pricey! 00:45 ricko i wonder if the vested interests keep the price high, i.e. the oil industry 00:45 ricko you in the twin cities? 00:45 Deb That's for solar panels and hot water. 00:45 ricko ah ... am just doing solat HW 00:45 ricko not electricity 00:45 Deb I think it is the oil industry. 00:45 ricko solar HW is simple: the sun hets H2O in pipes and it circulates into a tank 00:45 Deb Yes, I realize you are only doing hw 00:45 ricko no solar panels 00:45 ricko solar panels are $$$$ 00:46 Deb hmmm I'll check hw again. 00:46 ricko so, the system i am going for as 2m x 2m of pips and a 220 L tank 00:46 Deb I'd love to live entirely off the grid. 00:46 ricko (2 yd and 2 yd and about 50 gallons) 00:46 Deb Have you ever used a solar oven? 00:46 ricko yes, it would be nice 00:46 ricko no, not a solar oven 00:46 ricko but it gets so hot here you could fry an egg on the boonet of your car (the hood) 00:47 Deb where do you live? 00:47 ricko Sydney 00:47 Deb that's right. You have people there who've built houses underground 00:47 ricko yes 00:47 ricko Cooper Pedy 00:47 ricko in the great Aussie outback 00:47 Deb so they don't have to heat their homes and use solar for lighting 00:47 Deb YES 00:47 ricko they need it. 45 C (120 F) in the day 00:47 ricko but cool as cucumbers undergraound 00:47 ricko the opal mining area 00:48 Deb I'd have problems with no sunlight. 00:48 ricko yeah me too 00:48 Deb I have thought of building into a hill. 00:48 ricko i guess you can use skylights or some such thing 00:48 ricko my house has four skylights 00:48 ricko makes abig difference 00:48 Deb in the 70's it was a popular idea 00:48 ricko yeah 00:48 ricko hobbits! 00:48 Deb the skylights work well. I thought of that too 00:49 Deb my house has lots of window and built in 1947. 00:49 Deb IT's small and compact. 00:49 Deb I hve ceiling fans in every room. I use my ac 1-3 times a year. 00:50 Deb Well, this has been great and I'd love to chat more, but I need to go now. 00:50 ricko no air con here ... (Scots cheapness) but only reallyneed it a few adys year 00:50 ricko daysw 00:50 ricko okay 00:50 ricko i hope to get up for the KUDOS tomorrow 00:50 ricko byeeeeeeeeee 00:50 Deb I hve to be back here at 7am in the morning. We're shutting down our server. 04:49 aTa hi al 04:49 aTa all* 04:49 aTa Wots going on? 04:50 aTa Anyone using Koha on windows here?