IRC log for #koha, 2005-07-24

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Time S Nick Message
12:33 thd kados: are you present?
12:38 kados thd: occassionally ;-)
12:40 tim I just tried installing Koha on my desktop at home and get an internal server error (500) after the splash screen on the opac.
12:40 tim intranet seems to work fine.
12:42 tim The last error in opac_error_log is Premature end of script headers:
12:43 tim I'm guessing it has something to do with the 6 errors before that :)
12:43 thd kados: I have not sent the holdiings $t message to koha-dev yet but explained it to paul.  It is not a priority to address now but would make migration to Koha much easier, etc. in future with record exchange benefits
12:43 thd tim: what are the 6 error messages
12:45 thd kados: I communicated with chris and rach last night about the original Koha design and how closely it does or does not match the FRBR model
12:46 thd kados: Did you find a solution for reserving a damaged item?
12:46 tim HTML::Template->new() : Cannot open included file /usr/local/koha/opac/htdocs/opac​-tmpl/default/en/opac-main.tmpl : file not found. at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4/HTML/ line 1616
12:47 tim tHTML::Template::_init_template('HTML::Template=HASH(0x821631c)') called at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4/HTML/ line 1189
12:47 tim HTML::Template::_init('HTML::Template=HASH(0x821631c)') called at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4/HTML/ line 1083
12:47 tim HTML::Template::new('HTML::Template', 'filename', '/usr/local/koha/opac/htdocs/opac​-tmpl/default/en/opac-main.tmpl', 'die_on_bad_params', 0, 'global_vars', 1, 'path', 'ARRAY(0x899c6f0)', ...) called at /usr/local/koha/intranet/modules/C4/ line 77
12:48 tim C4::Output::gettemplate('opac-main.tmpl', 'opac', 'CGI=HASH(0x8144cd4)') called at /usr/local/koha/intranet/modules/C4/ line 114
12:48 tim C4::Auth::get_template_and_user('HASH(0x8983d74)') called at /usr/local/koha/opac/cgi-bin/ line 32
12:48 tim Wanted to paste one at a time to avoid flooding.
12:50 thd tim can you locate /usr/local/koha/opac/htdocs/opac​-tmpl/default/en/opac-main.tmpl ?
12:51 thd tim: what comes back from 'ls -l /usr/local/koha/opac/htdocs/opac​-tmpl/default/en/opac-main.tmpl' ?
12:51 tim That's wierd.  There's no default.
12:52 thd tim: sudo ls -l /usr/local/koha/opac/htdocs/opac​-tmpl/default/en/opac-main.tmpl
12:52 tim I did a symlink to npl named default and it works now.  I wonde why it wasn't installed.
12:53 tim I just have css, npl and vanilla
12:54 tim Thanks!  It probably woulda bee a while before I looked there.  I was thinking it would be a script problem.
12:55 thd tim: file not found led to all the script problems
12:56 thd time could the directory be there with the wrong user and group name so that you do not see it?
12:57 thd tim: Of course, if you made a symlink now, that would have overwritten it.
12:58 tim I see those errors and the dyslexia kicks in big-time.  Shoulda took more time to read 'em and bump up the font size too.
12:58 tim I was looking at the directory as root.
12:59 tim of course I still coulda missed the problem anyway.
13:03 thd tim: If you have no extensive configuration or data, try dropping the database and deleting /etc/koha.conf and /usr/local/koha/* then reinstalling to see if the default template will appear.  I do not know the minimal steps to force recreation of the directory but it should be in the expanded tarball.
13:05 thd tim: see if you have the directory in the expanded tarball and copy it to the correct location.  Then change the ownership and permissions to whatever is required for the Koha templates directories.
13:06 tim The tarball doesn't have it.
13:07 tim Now that I have it running I'm not to bothered by it.  I'll start working on our own templates.
13:10 thd tim: if you copy a template directory to a new name, Koha reads the name from the file system and you can choose it in Koha system preferences.
13:12 thd kados: Did you find a solution for reserving a damaged item?  chris and rach said that there was a problem with the default NPLtemplates for accessing some functionality recently.  Katipo has a new template for that.
13:14 owen tim, you still there?
13:14 thd kados: I did not identify the new template before chris and rach left.  paul also told me that some related functionality is disabled when MARC is on.
13:19 thd above s/default NPLtemplates/default and NPL templates/
13:28 tim owen: I'm back
13:29 tim I copied the NPL templates to a WLPL folder.
13:29 tim for editing
13:30 owen About the default thing: the default OPAC templates are out of date
13:30 owen I've talked to Paul about removing them from CVS
13:30 owen Maybe that's why they weren't in the download?
13:31 thd owen: Are the NPL templates are missing the help link?
13:31 tim hmm... It probably shouldn't default to default if it's not there.
13:32 owen Yeah, I agree
13:32 owen The CSS templates should simply be renamed
13:32 owen (in the short term)
13:32 owen thd: in the intranet?
13:32 thd owen: yes
13:33 owen You should see a question mark in the upper-right corner of the screen
13:36 owen Is it there?
13:39 thd yes
13:40 thd The '?' did not signify with me.  I just ignored it.
13:41 owen Yeah, it kinda blends with the login info.  But it was actually trying to make it unobtrusive.
13:43 thd Very compact but not what I would have expected.  I guess when one wants help one hopes that the 'don't panic button' is printed in large friendly letters.  Unobtrusive is better in all other circumstances :-)
13:46 thd thd: I tend to associate '?' as 'help' with GUI interfaces that I have not used much.
13:49 thd owen: Is there a way in the NPL template to assign an item to a an itemtype?
13:49 owen I'm not sure I understand what you mean
13:51 thd owen: If I have itemtype 'damaged send for rebinding' then I want to assign an item to that item type when a previously good item is returned with the pages detatchd from the cover.
13:52 thd owen: the circ rules for 'damaged send for rebinding' would be set to does not circulate.
13:53 thd owen: I thought kados was asking you about how to do this yesterday.
13:56 thd owen: a similar case to assign a damaged item to itemtype 'damaged hold in reserve--too fragile to circulate'.
13:57 owen Sorry--I just got called to a meeting.  Back soon.
01:21 thd chris, rach: ping
01:30 thd chris: ping
01:45 thd si: ping
01:56 indradg thd, looks like everyone is away atm ;)
02:03 si it is saturday night here...
02:33 thd si: and are down again
02:37 thd si: my notice is not a complaint only a query about the proximate and general cause
02:38 si disk failure
02:39 thd si: that sounds very bad
02:39 si yes, it's a bit tedious
02:39 si it'll be back up in a couple of hours
02:39 si hopefully :-)
02:40 thd I will try to survive with only a cache until later :-)
02:42 thd si: I had wondered if the power grid is reliable where you are.
02:42 si it's pretty good
02:42 si we had a UPS failure the other night, which took it down for a couple of hours
02:43 si that's been rectified
02:43 si but the disk has been sick in the server for a few days now
02:43 si I've just been waiting for the weekend to put it out of it's misery
02:44 si the power grid is ok, though - we'd get maybe three 1-2 minute outages per year
02:44 si and one 15-30 minute one every 2-3 years
02:44 si when a bolt of lightening hits a substation or similar
02:44 si it's a lot more reliable than a lot of other parts of the world
02:45 thd si: I have been so long without disc failure that some of my backup practises have become very lax
02:45 si scheduled building power outages actually create more outages than unscheduled power co ones
02:49 thd my backup media fails while my source media keeps running for the past 9 years :-)
02:50 si we use disks for source and target - I've certainly given up on any removeable media as a backup
02:51 thd si: what do you do for fire or flood if you have no removable media?
02:58 chris back up to a another machine about 630km north of wellington
02:59 si in my day job I run a GigE metro ethernet around wellington
02:59 si I have a *lot* of bandwidth to play with
02:59 si so we just put backup disk in other buildings, both in wellington, and elsewhere
03:00 si I've even got one in San Francisco
03:03 thd Magnificent.  If I had bandwidth, I would backup to the other side of the continent.  I am lucky if I transport some unreliable media to another part of the city.

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