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00:04 |
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halcyonCorsair |
hmm... |
00:06 |
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halcyonCorsair |
cron for now i guess |
00:08 |
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BobB |
kathryn about? |
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00:30 |
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halcyonCorsair |
what is z39.50/sru? |
00:37 |
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jcamins |
Two different protocols for harvesting data. |
00:37 |
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jcamins |
Z39.50 is the older protocol used by libraries, SRU is the newer web service-y one. |
00:47 |
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halcyonCorsair |
hard coding....all the things |
00:47 |
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halcyonCorsair |
la, lalala |
01:01 |
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halcyonCorsair |
jcamins: do you use chef or vagrant at all? |
01:18 |
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jcamins |
halcyonCorsair: not really. On my to-do list is putting chef into production. |
01:19 |
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rangi |
Provide a data dictionary which allows searches on symbols to be recognised as words (e.g ampersands (&) and hyphens) |
01:19 |
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rangi |
do we need to do that? |
01:20 |
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rangi |
they are search as words by default eh? |
01:20 |
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jcamins |
rangi: huh? |
01:20 |
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jcamins |
Oh. |
01:21 |
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jcamins |
No, Koha doesn't do that. |
01:21 |
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rangi |
from a requirements spec |
01:21 |
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rangi |
ta |
02:33 |
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* chris_n |
steps off of the software raid roller-coaster and tries to figure out which way is up |
02:49 |
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02:53 |
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chobbs |
Hi #koha! Any way to hide patron address info from certain staff? I need a solution between self check-out and staff check out to allow volunteers to help circulate. |
02:53 |
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chobbs |
Hi #koha! Any way to hide patron address info from certain staff? I need a solution between self check-out and staff check out to allow volunteers to help circulate. |
02:53 |
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chobbs |
Ah jeez, sorry for the double post :( |
02:54 |
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rangi |
nope, you'd have to write that, or find someone to do that for yoou |
02:55 |
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chobbs |
Figured it was a long shot :) |
02:59 |
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rangi |
one of these days, when i invent a time machine, i am going to go back and find who invented RFPs and stab them with a rock |
03:02 |
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wajasu |
so if i want someone to decide whether to keep smsoverdues.pl and rss.pl, or actually fix the existing tests at the nexy meeting(8th i think), how do i suggest that be put on the agenda? an email mailing list? |
03:02 |
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rangi |
thats not really a meeting topic |
03:03 |
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rangi |
the koha-devel mailing list is the best place for that |
03:07 |
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wajasu |
rangi: the other db-dep tests that failed. one was Serials.t and I was trying to look at related commits. Like if a coumn was added to a schema or EAN related commits. then it might show what changed to break it. |
03:07 |
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wajasu |
are you familiar with that test? |
03:07 |
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rangi |
nope |
03:08 |
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wajasu |
when was the last time all the db-dep test passed? a release? |
03:08 |
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rangi |
they all pass on jenkins right now |
03:08 |
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rangi |
for 3.8.x and 3.6.x branches |
03:09 |
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rangi |
most likely you are missing data in your db for Serials.t |
03:09 |
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wajasu |
well i must have a bad test setup. maybe i need the test data from wizzyrea. |
03:09 |
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rangi |
yep, all 34 tests pass currently for Serials.t on jenkins |
03:10 |
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wajasu |
does jenkins load test data, then updatedatebase.pl then run em? |
03:10 |
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rangi |
it just runs updatedatabase.pl it has all the test data in it already |
03:12 |
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wajasu |
so i should be able to pull master fresh, do dev install, run webinstaller with all data options selected, then run prove t/db_dependent without loading test data? |
03:13 |
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wajasu |
jaca and wizzyrea were saying otherwise yesterday. Reserve.t would fail, because there wasn't a biblio inthe db, etc. |
03:19 |
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rangi |
try it and see, you probably need to create at least one biblio and one item |
03:19 |
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wajasu |
http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]aster/810/console cearch for Serials.t |
03:20 |
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wajasu |
i did create a biblio and it worked. but you must have loaded one before the jenkins test run. |
03:21 |
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rangi |
you answered your own question then |
03:23 |
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wajasu |
so i just wonder if you had a test data load that is in git master that is run on a db install, or are you just running the updatedabase before each test run on the same database? |
03:23 |
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rangi |
the latter |
03:23 |
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rangi |
15:08 <@rangi> it just runs updatedatabase.pl it has all the test data in it already |
03:24 |
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wajasu |
oh. thx for your patience :) |
03:24 |
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rangi |
no worries, i have less of it today than usual |
03:25 |
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rangi |
as im having to answer 107 pages of questions in an RFP |
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04:38 |
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Oak |
Ahoy me hearties :) |
04:38 |
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Oak |
magnuse |
04:38 |
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Oak |
cait o/ |
04:39 |
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cait |
hi Oak :) |
04:39 |
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Oak |
how long before the meeting starts? |
04:39 |
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Oak |
in hour |
04:39 |
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Oak |
s |
04:40 |
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cait |
hm |
04:40 |
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cait |
not sure |
04:40 |
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cait |
many |
04:40 |
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Oak |
okay cool |
04:40 |
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cait |
I am not good with time zones |
04:41 |
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Oak |
me also |
04:41 |
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Oak |
'not good' would be an understatement fo me though |
04:58 |
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Oak |
i meant you may be not good, but i'm worse... for example i just googled what utc means. |
04:59 |
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Oak |
this looks fun: http://nicolargo.github.com/glances/ |
04:59 |
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Oak |
Ahoy mtompset |
05:29 |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha -- Oak :) |
05:29 |
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Oak |
:) |
05:30 |
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mtompset |
Do you have have reverse proxy setup experience with redis and/or node.js? |
05:30 |
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mtompset |
have have -> have any |
05:30 |
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Oak |
nope |
05:39 |
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magnuse |
Oak |
05:39 |
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Oak |
\o/ |
05:39 |
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Oak |
present |
05:39 |
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magnuse |
:-) |
05:40 |
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magnuse |
Oak: te meeting is in 12 hours and ~20 minutes, as far as i can tell |
05:41 |
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Oak |
ah... roger that. |
05:41 |
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Oak |
ten four |
05:55 |
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halcyonCorsair |
hmm, the install doesn't seem to be obeying the WEBSERVER_IP variable...thoughts? |
05:59 |
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mtompset |
WEBSERVER_IP variable? |
05:59 |
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mtompset |
What file is that in? |
06:00 |
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mtompset |
What file is that in, halcyonCorsair? |
06:01 |
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halcyonCorsair |
mtompset: gets used by koha-http.conf |
06:01 |
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halcyonCorsair |
umm, rewrite-something.PL |
06:01 |
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mtompset |
Are you doing a tarball or a git install? |
06:02 |
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halcyonCorsair |
git install |
06:02 |
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mtompset |
What do you mean doesn't seem to be obeying? |
06:03 |
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mtompset |
you've run the perl Makefile.PL |
06:03 |
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mtompset |
you've run the make |
06:03 |
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mtompset |
have you run the make test? |
06:03 |
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mtompset |
have you run the make install? |
06:04 |
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mtompset |
Because once you have the install... that's when the variable should be changed to the value you are expecting. |
06:05 |
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mtompset |
You don't need to edit any files between these four steps (perl Makefile.PL, make, make test, make install) |
06:06 |
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halcyonCorsair |
mtompset: i'm talking about setting the environment variable |
06:07 |
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mtompset |
I know, but I'm trying to understand why you are looking at that variable. |
06:08 |
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mtompset |
And why do you expect Koha to know about it? |
06:08 |
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halcyonCorsair |
i expect one of those four steps to use that variable to create the http config correctly |
06:08 |
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mtompset |
I was convering the case that you were referring to something else. |
06:08 |
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halcyonCorsair |
mtompset: ^ |
06:09 |
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mtompset |
Uh, no. |
06:09 |
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mtompset |
I do not believe it does. |
06:10 |
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mtompset |
During a tarball, git install, you end up editing the apache config file that is generated. |
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06:14 |
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halcyonCorsair |
no, rewrite-config.PL definitely uses it |
06:20 |
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06:21 |
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koyauni |
hi guys, how can one create additional normal Admin, I want my system to have one Super Admin and many normal Admin with limited permissions |
06:25 |
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06:28 |
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magnuse |
koyauni: PAtrons > New patron > Staff |
06:29 |
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magnuse |
koyauni: then, when you have added a user, you click More > Set permissions |
06:29 |
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magnuse |
then you can choose what each user is allowed to do |
06:32 |
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cait |
halcyonCorsair: maybe you are looking at the wrong file? |
06:32 |
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cait |
halcyonCorsair: did you do a git dev or standard install? if you did adev, there is a generated file in koha-dev directory, so outside of the git controlled part |
06:34 |
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halcyonCorsair |
mmm, no...i *think* the issue is that the environment isn't correct when make, etc are getting run |
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reiveune |
hello |
06:43 |
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wahanui |
hey, reiveune |
06:46 |
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koyauni |
Thanks I found an old help page saying the same thing, thank you anyway, |
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cait |
bbl |
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koyauni |
http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]nuary/012973.html |
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francharb |
hello #koha |
07:02 |
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matts |
hi ! |
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gaetan_B |
hello |
07:19 |
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kf |
hi gaetan_B |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
07:21 |
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Dan_T |
whois Dan_T |
07:22 |
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Dan_T |
oh right... I am |
07:22 |
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kf |
identity crisis? :) |
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07:34 |
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kf |
good morning paul_p and hdl |
07:35 |
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magnuse |
wow, i didnt even know rewrite -config.PL existed, or that it uses environmnt variables |
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drojf |
good morning #koha |
08:10 |
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kf |
morning drojf |
08:11 |
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drojf |
moin kf |
08:12 |
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rangi |
evening all |
08:13 |
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kf |
evening rangi |
08:33 |
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slef |
magnuse: we needed it to have some way to override the autodetection and that seemed easiest because we already do it with PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF |
08:33 |
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magnuse |
ok on a scale from 1 to 11, how crazy does this sound: using a TT template to format marc records for display in the digital signs, and storing that template as a syspref, for easy tweaking |
08:34 |
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magnuse |
slef: cool, i just didn't know it was possible to influence those settings with env vars :-) |
08:35 |
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slef |
ooh a library just pulled up at the bottom of my drive |
08:35 |
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* slef |
goes to look |
08:35 |
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* slef |
demolishes a radio on the way out |
08:37 |
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magnuse |
a *library* just pulled up?!? |
08:42 |
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kf |
magnuse: not so crazy :) make it a plugin :) |
08:43 |
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magnuse |
plugin? |
08:43 |
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kf |
ok, don't listen to me |
08:44 |
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kf |
but I am sure there is some nice way to do it with TT |
08:44 |
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kf |
I am still trying to understand what all the parts are for |
08:46 |
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magnuse |
yeah, tt is quite a big system, probably with lots of hidden goodies |
08:47 |
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slef |
magnuse: yes, we still have library vans over here apparently. I did not know that. |
08:47 |
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* slef |
puts it on his calendar |
08:49 |
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magnuse |
like a mobile library, where you can borrow books, right? |
09:00 |
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magnuse |
we have those too, and a book boat to boot http://www.bokbaten.no/index.p[…]tion=static&id=17 |
09:05 |
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drojf |
the book boat is cool <3 |
09:05 |
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09:07 |
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kf |
morning robin |
09:07 |
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eythian |
hello kf |
09:09 |
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kf |
office in the same place as yesterday? |
09:09 |
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eythian |
yep |
09:09 |
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eythian |
it's a little cooler today though |
09:10 |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
09:10 |
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huginn |
kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 19.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on September 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising). |
09:10 |
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kf |
still no sun here |
09:13 |
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* kf |
blames eythian |
09:13 |
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eythian |
I have sun, but 18°. It'll warm up soon enough though. |
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09:15 |
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drojf |
a little older but i have not seen that before. sounds "great". http://thenextweb.com/media/20[…]ytics-for-ebooks/ |
09:16 |
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drojf |
hi eythian |
09:16 |
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eythian |
good morning drojf |
09:17 |
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eythian |
drojf: the line graphs should be histograms! |
09:17 |
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slef |
magnuse: the river is too far away, about half a mile ;) |
09:19 |
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magnuse |
slef: too bad :-) |
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09:42 |
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Barrc |
Morning all - would anyone know if it is possible to use KeyAttr with MARC::File::XML as it is with XML::Simple? I have been tasked with extracting/changing some tags in the MarcXML field in bibioitems and wondering how best to go about it? |
09:42 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8478 - Update Ubuntu related files Updated installation instructions, cleaned... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d90d277493bd912dd> / Bug 6886 Follow up for NORMARC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]422c4e3a2194b2973> / Bug 6886 - Follow up for UNIMARC <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ha.git;a=commitdi |
09:45 |
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eythian |
Barrc: I don't think so, at least, I've not heard of it. |
09:46 |
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eythian |
I tend to parse things into a MARC::Record and manipulate them with that. |
09:46 |
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* eythian |
still needs to experiment with MARC::MIR |
09:47 |
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Barrc |
eythian: Thanks - I am open to options, so I might give that a look! |
09:48 |
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kf |
maybe exporting, using some tool to clean up and reimporting is also an option |
09:55 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #812 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 2 days ago) |
10:04 |
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Dan_T |
does any one know if there is a way to disable a specific patron messaging preference for all patrons? |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #155 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
10:11 |
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Dan_T |
would modifying the patron categories default preferences apply that to existing records? |
10:12 |
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rangi |
no |
10:12 |
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rangi |
thats only the default for creating new patrons |
10:12 |
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Dan_T |
that's what I thought. Thanks |
10:13 |
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slef |
you could probably write a script using the C4 API to change existing ones... not the simplest though |
10:16 |
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kf |
slef: I think there is one in misc somewhere |
10:16 |
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kf |
never used it so far |
10:21 |
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Dan_T |
I was thinking that I might be able to touch those fields with a patron import but I don't see a spot for it |
10:22 |
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Dan_T |
I'll look into that thanks slef |
10:24 |
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10:24 |
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kf |
Dan_T: the iformation is scatteres in 4 tables |
10:24 |
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kf |
scattered |
10:24 |
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kf |
can't be changed by patron import |
10:24 |
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kf |
but look for a script in misc |
10:25 |
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Dan_T |
yea I'm on the page now |
10:25 |
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Dan_T |
I think.. http://perldoc.koha-community.org/ |
10:25 |
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kf |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d90d277493bd912dd |
10:26 |
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Dan_T |
ah outstanding, thank you |
10:26 |
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kf |
Dan_T: that will give you the perldoc for everything in C4 - I meant a script to enforce the defaults you set :) I haven't used it, but it's maybe worth a try on a test installation |
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jcamins |
paul_p: could you please push your master branch to git.k-c.org? |
11:52 |
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jcamins |
I'm trying to resolve the conflict on 8597. |
11:52 |
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paul_p |
hi jcamins. done (it was only 3 patches late) |
11:53 |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
11:54 |
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kf |
morning jcamins |
11:56 |
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jcamins |
Morning. |
11:56 |
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wahanui |
well, morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. |
11:57 |
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mbalmer |
screenshot of a touchscreen point of sale terminal after scanning a Koha patron card: http://www.arcapos.com/cde/kohalink.png |
11:58 |
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mbalmer |
(in german localization) |
11:59 |
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jcamins |
kf: is the webinstaller translated into German? |
12:00 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #812: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/812/ |
12:00 |
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jenkins_koha |
* julian.maurice: Bug 8666: Hide 'New basket' link if supplier is inactive |
12:00 |
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jenkins_koha |
* nengard: update 'onloan' in items and deleteditems |
12:00 |
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jenkins_koha |
* colin.campbell: Bug 8675 Add hours and mins to renewal due date |
12:00 |
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jenkins_koha |
* oleonard: Bug 2553 [Serials report] alphabetize dropdown menus |
12:00 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8666 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , Prevent to create baskets for inactive suppliers |
12:00 |
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jenkins_koha |
* oleonard: Bug 8549 - DataTables upgrade broke display of next/previous buttons in table controls |
12:00 |
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jenkins_koha |
* robin: Bug 8594 - prevent the report system from breaking some subqueries |
12:00 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 - OPAC XSLT respecting single branch mode |
12:00 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 - Follow up for UNIMARC |
12:00 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 Follow up for NORMARC |
12:00 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8675 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Renewing item to specified date creates a due date with HH:MM set to 00:00 |
12:00 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2553 minor, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , alphabetize dropdown menus |
12:00 |
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jenkins_koha |
* mtompset: Bug 8478 - Update Ubuntu related files Updated installation instructions, cleaned up ubuntu-pkg-check.sh, renamed ubuntu*.packages files more consistently, updated files to include missing libraries, corrected incorrect libraries (yaz3->yaz4, mysqlclient v16 to v18, dropped the dev version of the client). |
12:00 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8549 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , DataTables upgrade broke display of next/previous buttons in table controls |
12:00 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8594 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , A report containing a subquery that has a 'limit' will have that limit stripped out |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6886 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Single branch mode should disable showing the branch name in front of all callnumbers |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8478 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Update Ubuntu related files |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8623: Move YUI out of prog <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]aa1ac0d49098bfed0> / Bug 8623: Do not accept "lib" as a valid theme <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]be6f979fc7dd4ccc8> / Bug 8622: Fix theme fallback <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]917ce19e26225259d |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #813 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 2 days ago) |
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jcamins |
paul_p: I rebased the last two patches on bug 8597. |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Patch doesn't apply , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view |
12:09 |
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kf |
jcamins: yes, why? |
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paul_p |
jcamins OK, will check later |
12:10 |
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jcamins |
kf: I got an error when it automatically went to the installer. |
12:10 |
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kf |
hm |
12:10 |
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kf |
that's not good |
12:10 |
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kf |
and we have seen that at the workhop |
12:10 |
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kf |
did you click back or something like that? |
12:10 |
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kf |
or just forward and choosing de at at the beginning? |
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jcamins |
It was the automatic updatedatabase run. |
12:11 |
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kf |
hm |
12:11 |
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* paul_p |
testing bug 7621 ... will I push it today ? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Passed QA , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories |
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kf |
confusing |
12:11 |
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kf |
shouldn't have anything to do with the installer I think |
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jcamins |
updatedatabase uses the installer templates rather than regular templates. |
12:12 |
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kf |
hm yes |
12:12 |
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kf |
which version of koha? |
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wahanui |
which version of koha are you using? |
12:13 |
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jcamins |
master. |
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kf |
hm |
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jcamins |
I think I probably installed the translation wrong. |
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jcamins |
I get the error: Koha directories hierarchy for de-DE must be created first |
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kf |
ah yeah |
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kf |
I have seen that |
12:17 |
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kf |
I amnot sure why it happens sometimes :( |
12:17 |
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kf |
oh right |
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kf |
german does not work in mater |
12:17 |
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* magnuse |
has seen that too |
12:17 |
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kf |
there is a fatal error in the po file |
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jcamins |
Ohhh. |
12:18 |
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kf |
because I missed the date before release and the error |
12:18 |
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kf |
you have to get a file from pootle or run update on it |
12:18 |
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kf |
or fix the probem :( |
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jcamins |
I will use French. |
12:18 |
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kf |
fatal means the translation process dies and not all files get translated |
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kf |
:( |
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jcamins |
French works. |
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jcamins |
Well, installing the language works. |
12:24 |
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jcamins |
Yeah, the problem was the translator crash. |
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kf |
*sighs* |
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kf |
one more thing to look forward to on the next release |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #155: SUCCESS in 2 hr 18 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/155/ |
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jenkins_koha |
julian.maurice: Bug 8666: Hide 'New basket' link if supplier is inactive |
12:29 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8666 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , Prevent to create baskets for inactive suppliers |
12:29 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #156 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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paul_p |
mveron will be happy, i'm about to push bug 7621 ;-) |
12:34 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Passed QA , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories |
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kf |
yay :) |
12:34 |
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kf |
paul_p++ mveron++ |
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paul_p |
is it me or git is slooowww ? |
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mbalmer |
paul_p, thanks for 7621, it is really important over here in switzerland and I guess you just made mveron a very happy man ;) |
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* kf |
guesses so too :) |
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paul_p |
(one of our customer just asked for this feature 2 weeks ago, and he will be happy to ;-) ) |
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kf |
happy koha people everywhere :) |
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mbalmer |
even our infokiosk systems and payment stations begin to be friends with Koha …. |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8293' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3cde20ac1dbef1bc4> / Bug 8293 : Fixing POD to match actuality. <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]564515c0676689845> / Bug 7621 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8c898e721bc631e32 |
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BobB |
@seen druthb |
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huginn |
BobB: druthb was last seen in #koha 5 days, 20 hours, 6 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: * druthb waves from eastern Kansas |
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Joubu |
Hello #koha |
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oleonard |
Hi Joubu |
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* jcamins_away |
waves to oleonard and Joubu. |
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Oak |
think of the... |
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kf |
hi Joubu |
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kf |
hi Oak :) |
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Oak |
awesomeness, and awesome is here |
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druthb |
BobB: you were looking for me? |
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Oak |
hello Miss katrin |
12:56 |
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druthb |
Hi, Oak and kf! :) |
12:56 |
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kf |
hi druthb :) |
12:56 |
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BobB |
hi ruth! |
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druthb |
:D |
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Oak |
hello aweosme Ruth :) |
12:56 |
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* kf |
thinks druthb has her spies everywhere |
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druthb |
:) |
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jcamins_away |
Meeting in five hours. |
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kf |
thx jcamins_away |
12:57 |
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eythian |
how (if at all) do we handle covers from multiple sources? |
12:57 |
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oleonard |
khall++ # for the progress on patron self-registration |
12:57 |
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eythian |
I can't see anything obvious in the JS that causes only the first hit to show |
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oleonard |
That's correct eythian |
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kf |
eythian: currently not really I think, but there are bugs and maybe patches for it in bugzilla |
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jcamins_away |
eythian: we show all of them. |
12:58 |
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eythian |
Hmm |
12:58 |
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eythian |
right |
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khall |
oleonard: thanks! I'll have a new patch ready in moments, just adding some POD |
12:58 |
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jcamins_away |
magnuse, tcohen, and kmkale are all working on the problem. |
12:58 |
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jcamins_away |
Though, kmkale hasn't been doing anything with Koha in the last six months. |
12:58 |
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oleonard |
eythian: Do you observe something different? |
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Oak |
jcamins_away, does not that result in multiple images appearing for a single item? if there are multiple sources available... |
12:58 |
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jcamins_away |
Oak: yes, of course. |
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jcamins_away |
That's why it's a problem. ;) |
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eythian |
we have another cover source to add, and would need to make them behave so that only one shows |
12:59 |
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Oak |
that's bad |
12:59 |
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Oak |
ah yes |
12:59 |
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Oak |
got it |
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jcamins_away |
And not just a happy little accident. |
12:59 |
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eythian |
I thought I had seen it behave differently |
12:59 |
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eythian |
But I may be wrong |
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magnuse |
yeah, currently you get multiple covers if you turn on multiple sources and more then one gives a hit |
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Oak |
i wish there could be a way to check if result of one source is True, then a all other sources ignored. |
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oleonard |
eythian: Not unless you saw an unintended behavior |
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magnuse |
i am thinking of solving it server-side - have a script that accepts a biblionumber and that returns/redirects to the first image found. with caching |
13:00 |
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oleonard |
I imagine that an AJAX script could roll through each source and stop on first success |
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Oak |
or if two sources have the images, then the one with bigger dimensions gets chosen automatically :) |
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jcamins_away |
magnuse: the problem with that is Amazon. :( |
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kf |
*sigh* |
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oleonard |
magnuse: Caching results violates Amazon's terms of service I think |
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kf |
I know I had a checklist for opac features somewhere... |
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magnuse |
Oak: yeah, that is an interesting twist on it |
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oleonard |
Maybe Google's too |
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eythian |
oleonard: you can cache the success of the request |
13:01 |
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magnuse |
aren't we throwing out amazon? |
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* kf |
blames eythian (habit) |
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kf |
nah, not really... *continues search* |
13:01 |
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magnuse |
eythian: yeah, that might be what i was thinking |
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oleonard |
magnuse: We haven't thrown out Amazon covers yet because they don't require the API |
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magnuse |
ah yes |
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jcamins_away |
magnuse: not yes. |
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magnuse |
cache the others and check amazon last, then |
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magnuse |
kf: search for what? |
13:02 |
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kf |
for my missing document :) |
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jcamins_away |
magnuse: ooh, that makes sense. |
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jcamins_away |
search for something? |
13:03 |
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magnuse |
bug 7187 |
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oleonard |
You guys, you're making wahanui pass out |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kmkale, NEW , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next |
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eythian |
hmm, wahanui needs some reconnection logic, he gets banned for reconnecting too fast. |
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jcamins_away |
Is there anything I need to say about 3.6.x beyond what I already said? |
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jcamins_away |
eythian: if he didn't whenever anyone said "change" or "search," that'd help. :P |
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eythian |
yes, that too :) |
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jcamins_away |
On schedule, new sacrificial lamb found... |
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Oak |
let's have a bar-b-q |
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eythian |
huh, he also has a 60MB log of the channel |
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magnuse |
yeah, sacrificial lamb is yummy! |
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magnuse |
with lots of garlic and rosemary! |
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Oak |
:) |
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mveron |
Hi #koha |
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drojf |
hi mveron |
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mveron |
...and many thanks to paul_p for pushing my age restriction :-) |
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mveron |
hi drojf |
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mveron |
@wunder Basel |
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drojf |
don't want to spam the channel with off topic links again, but rap news 15 is awesome! |
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huginn |
mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 24.0°C (3:00 PM CEST on September 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
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drojf |
kf: thanks for the link. so how do we get koha in there? :) |
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mveron |
Hi kf |
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kf |
drojf: not sure yet |
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kf |
drojf: you coudl do something about your special use of koha and how it helps the users? maybe? |
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kf |
btw I found it :) (totally off topic... I know) |
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drojf |
kf: i will have a look at what they did in earlier conferences to get an idea maybe |
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kf |
I did a presentation on Koha when the conf was in Zürich |
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kf |
I think 2 years ago? |
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kf |
not sure we matched the cfp back then :) |
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drojf |
heh |
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nengard |
I got this question and I think the answer is yes ? but I don't know what the limit is "is there a limit to the overall size of a MARC record within Koha?" |
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eythian |
nengard: 99,999 characters |
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eythian |
that's a limit to the ISO MARC format |
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nengard |
thank you! |
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drojf |
kf: it would be nice if that conference was half a year later. when we are live and can actually think about doing internetty things to our library |
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eythian |
nengard: as an aside, that value exposes one of the multitude of things wrong with the MARC format :) |
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nengard |
you'll get no argument from me there!! |
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nengard |
:) |
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nengard |
i saw an email on the list artives that says 9999 ? do you have a typo or was that a typo? |
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nengard |
archives |
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druthb |
That was the typo. It's 100,000 minus 1. |
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eythian |
I think it's bigger than 10k |
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eythian |
yeah |
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eythian |
5 character field for the size |
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eythian |
wholly chao, it costs CHF58,00 to buy the ISO2709:2008 spec. |
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eythian |
also ha ha 2008, 1965 more like |
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mbalmer |
hallo mveron! |
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mveron |
hallo mbalmer... |
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kf |
eythian: why do you want to pay in CHF? |
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drojf |
kf: found your talk. "koha in action" :D |
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* kf |
hides |
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eythian |
kf: I don't |
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eythian |
It's just what it offered |
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kf |
Interesting |
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wahanui |
i think Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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eythian |
I think that the ISO is based in .ch |
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magnuse |
the price is yet another reason to get rid of the marc formats... |
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eythian |
hmm, searching for something with '&' in it doesn't work well at all. |
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nengard |
i think there is a bug for that already |
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magnuse |
is C4::Biblio::GetMarcISBN really the best way to get ISBNs out of records in Koha? it seems to be returning things like "91-0-010573-2 9100105732 (inb.)" |
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druthb |
If you're looking for just the ISBN, what I usually do, magnuse, is GetMarcBiblio, then grab the 020$a, and pump it into Business::ISBN, so I can do useful things with it. |
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gmcharlt |
indeed |
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gmcharlt |
good morning |
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druthb |
hi, gmcharlt. |
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druthb |
:) |
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gmcharlt |
hi druthb |
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magnuse |
hm, there is GetNormalizedISBN too, which lives in C4/Koha of all places... |
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druthb |
magnuse: For the data mashing I do, I treat the marc as the official, authoritative source, and utterly ignore all the database fields that (are supposed to) duplicate those, or any subroutine in Koha that uses those. |
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druthb |
That is not always the easiest way to do things, but my confidence in the quality of the data is much, much higher. |
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eythian |
druthb: yeah, I do the same there |
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magnuse |
GetNormalizedISBN get's it from the marc, unless you give it a value from biblioitems.isbn to clean up |
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druthb |
eythian: Your csvtomarc is freakin' brilliant; I came up with a minor mod that made it do what I wanted in one odd case--I'll turn that into a patch for you at some point, after I figure out how to describe the use case precisely. |
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eythian |
druthb: awesome :) |
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eythian |
druthb: most of that script is handling odd cases |
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druthb |
Was a wierd case of turning something non-MARC-ish (a marriage record) into a MARC, just to make it searchable. I had BRIDE NAME, BRIDE DATE OF BIRTH, GROOM NAME, GROOM DATE OF BIRTH, and wanted to turn it into two 600 fields, with different $e, and name in $a and dates in $d. |
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druthb |
Since the mappings are handled in the order they are given, it makes sense to me that if you're doing multiples of something--which it did know how to do--you should look at the *last* one of those created, to see whether to add a subfield or create a new field, but the script was looking at the *first*. I fixed. |
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druthb |
It was doing 600 $aJohn Doe$egroom$dJune 8, 1968 600 $aJane Smith 600 $ebride 600 $d July 19,1969. Now it does what I expected. :) |
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eythian |
ah yes, I see |
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eythian |
that does make sense |
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druthb |
That one had me bedeviled for a while. You don't organise your code the same way I do, so it took me a while to trace down where to fix that. |
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druthb |
That's a *very large* bit of brilliance. |
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eythian |
heh yeah, it's become quite bloated beyond its initial intentions. |
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eythian |
it's also not really organised. |
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eythian |
If I knew it was going to swell like that, I would have split it into modules |
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* druthb |
is debating a refactoring of it, along with adding a few tricks of her own, based on things she's doing in her assortment of MARC mashers. |
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* magnuse |
cheers druthb on |
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druthb |
I haven't worked with it in concert with a running Koha; I use it in isolation--grab CSV, make MARC, and use marc: and multimarc: mappings rather than fieldname maps. |
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druthb |
Don't want to step on eythian's toes, magnuse. I outmass him by a bit, and that would hurt a bit. :) |
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eythian |
druthb: I tend to work the same way too, the first time I wrote it I used fieldnames a lot, but now almost never. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha. |
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eythian |
refactoring would not be a bad thing at all. |
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mtompset |
Greetings, eythian. Got the proxy settings all nicely sorted out. :) |
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eythian |
mtompset: awesomecross |
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mtompset |
It was the short name vs. long name. |
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eythian |
thought as much |
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druthb |
:) I'll take a look at possibilities for refactoring, eythian...might be able to modularise some of that, along with some of my stuff, and finally get the migration toolkit started, instead of the disorganized cluttery mess I have on gitorious. |
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eythian |
that's a good plan |
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mtompset |
What is the role of "Bug Wrangler"? |
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oleonard |
mtompset: Test patches, review bug reports, confirm bugs, correct bug details, correct assignment, anything else they can think of? |
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mtompset |
libsysguy++ # Yes, yes writing documentation is exactly like having one's fingernails pulled off. |
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nengard |
i disagree |
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nengard |
i like writing documentation :) |
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oleonard |
Thank goodness for us nengard! |
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magnuse |
nengard++ |
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oleonard |
nengard++ |
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nengard |
:) |
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nengard |
hehe |
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gmcharlt |
nengard++ |
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kf |
nengard++ |
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mtompset |
nengard++ |
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nengard |
oooo boy :) |
14:16 |
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mtompset |
For a developer. :) |
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* nengard |
is blushing |
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kf |
nengard: and i got a queston :) |
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nengard |
okay? |
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kf |
do we have a description of easyanalytics somewhere? :) |
14:17 |
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kf |
I found the Add host item in the manual, now I am looking for the easyanalytics feature |
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* druthb |
reaches for the Velcro. |
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nengard |
I have a question too ? can anyone help me with this? http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]ugust/034028.html |
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nengard |
kf yes, let me find it |
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nengard |
http://manual.koha-community.o[…]#cataloganalytics |
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nengard |
now, I think there is a problem with the wording, it's a bit confusing |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #813: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 18 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/813/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* jcamins: Bug 8622: Fix theme fallback |
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jenkins_koha |
* jcamins: Bug 8623: Do not accept "lib" as a valid theme |
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jenkins_koha |
* jcamins: Bug 8623: Move YUI out of prog |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha themes broken |
14:19 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories |
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kf |
hm I found that |
14:19 |
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kf |
but that works without easyanalyticstoo |
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kf |
aaah |
14:20 |
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kf |
no |
14:20 |
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kf |
I got my mistake |
14:20 |
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kf |
there is something new now |
14:20 |
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kf |
where you can add a child record |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #814 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 2 days ago) |
14:20 |
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kf |
and that is child to parent |
14:21 |
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oleonard |
What frequency do folks set up their process_message_queue with? |
14:21 |
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nengard |
hourly |
14:21 |
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kf |
same here I think |
14:21 |
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oleonard |
That could be a problem for patron self-registration |
14:22 |
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nengard |
oh! |
14:22 |
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nengard |
hmmmm |
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oleonard |
People are going to expect their confirmation email right away |
14:22 |
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nengard |
good point |
14:22 |
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nengard |
khall would know best |
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khall |
I had thought about that. We need some kind of "send immediately" sub |
14:23 |
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wizzyrea |
don't the hold notices go immediately |
14:23 |
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eythian |
15 minutes for the packages |
14:23 |
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wizzyrea |
or… the checkin notices |
14:23 |
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wizzyrea |
one of them goes right away |
14:23 |
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eythian |
We need to use real queue systems, not cron jobs |
14:23 |
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khall |
wizzyrea, thanks, I'll look at the code. |
14:23 |
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eythian |
everything needs to send email the same way, but we need to improve how it gets sent. |
14:23 |
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wizzyrea |
^^ but this |
14:24 |
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wajasu |
^^ yup |
14:24 |
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eythian |
also we could do smart things like having them run over a network, so you could have a zebra reindexing machine, and a mail processing machine |
14:26 |
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wajasu |
generic message notification with various transports decouples(sms, email, etc) an ESB of sorts to decouple. |
14:27 |
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* magnuse |
starts to make some notes on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]tiple_sources_RFC |
14:27 |
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khall |
CHECKOUT notices use the message queue |
14:27 |
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eythian |
password notifications don't, and there's something else that doesn't |
14:27 |
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eythian |
maybe it was sending lists or something |
14:29 |
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rambutan |
Has anyone looked at what it would take for Koha to have the hooks to services like Dwolla? http://dwolla.com http://developers.dwolla.com/dev |
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rambutan |
Seems like I remember somebody (rangi?) mentioning it a long time ago. |
14:30 |
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eythian |
rambutan: hooks to do what? |
14:31 |
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oleonard |
eythian: Sending lists and sending carts |
14:31 |
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rambutan |
OK, a patron has fines or a bill, so you have a button in Koha "Pay amount with Dwolla" and Koha accesses the Dwolla API to process the fine, and when completed Koha credits their account with the payment |
14:31 |
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eythian |
ah yes |
14:32 |
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kf |
claims is also another example I think |
14:32 |
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eythian |
rambutan: oh, good idea. I haven't heard of it, doesn't mean someone hasn't put thought into it though |
14:32 |
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kf |
or some of the claims, but possible it changed with the recent owrk from biblibre :) |
14:32 |
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kf |
claims got redone mostly |
14:32 |
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nengard |
you can't have the checkouts or checkins go immediately cause they might be digested so you need a bit of time between checkin and email sending |
14:33 |
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nengard |
which someone might have said |
14:35 |
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huginn |
New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6617 - Wrong first indicator value in test <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2f3247906b222a8fd> / Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display (intranet) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]695a1e00ce9b99e76> / Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git |
14:35 |
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wajasu |
looking t t/db_dependent/Reserves.t AddReserve call is missing resdate and expdate in call. I suspect that is not correct. |
14:42 |
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jcamins |
wajasu: check with libsysguy, he might be working on that. |
14:42 |
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jcamins |
rambutan: someone did some work on that. |
14:43 |
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jcamins |
rambutan: unfortunately, I can't remember who. |
14:43 |
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wajasu |
ok |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_3.8.x build #156: SUCCESS in 2 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/156/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* colin.campbell: Bug 8675 Add hours and mins to renewal due date |
14:45 |
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jenkins_koha |
* oleonard: Bug 2553 [Serials report] alphabetize dropdown menus |
14:45 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8675 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Renewing item to specified date creates a due date with HH:MM set to 00:00 |
14:45 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2553 minor, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , alphabetize dropdown menus |
14:45 |
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jcamins |
wajasu: never mind, he's working on C4::Circulation. |
14:46 |
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wizzyrea |
then it must be the hold notices that go straight away |
14:47 |
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kf |
nengard: sorry about your report - not sure how to do that |
14:47 |
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nengard |
thanks for looking |
14:47 |
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wajasu |
jcamins: ok |
14:47 |
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jcamins |
mbalmer: do you happen to know who was doing work on integrating Koha with online payment services? I know you're integrating it with a POS system. |
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mtompset |
Sorry I'm going to miss the meeting today. With this cold/cough, sleep is probably the better choice. |
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rambutan |
when rangi signs on I'll ask him about dwolla |
14:51 |
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mtompset |
Have a good day (24 hour period) everyone. :) |
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kf |
bye all :) |
15:03 |
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mbalmer |
jcamins, nope, I don't know that. |
15:03 |
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jcamins |
mbalmer: ah well. I was thinking you might've come across it in preparing to work on your POS interface. |
15:04 |
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mbalmer |
actually it would be rather easy... |
15:04 |
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mbalmer |
using saferpay, that is |
15:04 |
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eythian |
oh, there's a meeting today |
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jcamins |
3 hours. |
15:05 |
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eythian |
20:00. Hmm |
15:05 |
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eythian |
I should be able to make that. |
15:05 |
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kf |
:) |
15:05 |
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kf |
me too |
15:05 |
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kf |
hope I don't forget |
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15:06 |
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mbalmer |
jcamins, I can be hired to integrate Koha with saferpay (done it before) |
15:06 |
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jcamins |
rambutan: ^^ useful information |
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reiveune1 |
bye |
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rambutan |
"done it before" Ah. OK |
15:11 |
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mbalmer |
well, not for Koha, obviously. |
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gmcharlt |
still, half the battle |
15:11 |
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rambutan |
Since very few patrons would have any given service though, to make it worth coding you'd probably have to find the top five services and hook them all in. |
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mbalmer |
saferpay is a well established service and paypal could also be intregated quite easily |
15:13 |
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jcamins |
It seems to me any secure service that allows one-off CC payments would cover the vast majority of uses. |
15:13 |
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mbalmer |
imo, most patrons likely prefer to pay on the spot, aka in the library |
15:13 |
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jcamins |
Right, vast majority of uses of an online payment system, not vast majority of fine payments. |
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jcamins |
The situation changes in an academic institution, of course, where students might want to use their student account card to pay fines. |
15:15 |
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Oak |
logs? |
15:15 |
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wahanui |
logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
15:18 |
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Oak |
may I ask something stupid? |
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wizzyrea |
@quote search ask |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: 9 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one...", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are...", #197: "<chris_n> half-baked things are asking for trouble", #45: (1 more message) |
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jcamins |
Of course. |
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wizzyrea |
@quote get 145 |
15:20 |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011) |
15:20 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
15:20 |
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Oak |
:) |
15:20 |
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* druthb |
perks. |
15:20 |
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druthb |
@quote get 117 |
15:20 |
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huginn |
druthb: Quote #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one does not bask in the Potomac River basin...you melt or swelter or something, but you don't bask. :P" (added by jwagner at 01:17 PM, January 24, 2011) |
15:20 |
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druthb |
ah, yes. |
15:20 |
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Oak |
listen to the question first wizzyrea ... it's not good |
15:20 |
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* wizzyrea |
refers you to quote 145 ;) |
15:20 |
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eythian |
wizzyrea: shortcut: |
15:20 |
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eythian |
ask? |
15:20 |
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wahanui |
Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
15:21 |
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wizzyrea |
eythian: <3 |
15:21 |
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wizzyrea |
awesome. |
15:21 |
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druthb |
eythian++ |
15:21 |
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gmcharlt |
Oak: the anticipation is killing us! ;) |
15:21 |
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mbalmer |
may I ask what Oak wanted to ask? |
15:21 |
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* druthb |
waits for it... |
15:21 |
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Oak |
i see the talk about these shiny new features... which are cool. but should not we be first paying attention to things like these: |
15:21 |
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eythian |
wahanui: ask a stupid question is <reply>ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI |
15:21 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
15:21 |
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Oak |
bug 8418 |
15:21 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8418 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Koha::Calendar is_holiday ignores all user data |
15:21 |
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wajasu |
ok. i shored up Reserves.t i just need to know where how to supply a patch |
15:21 |
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Oak |
bug 8110 |
15:21 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add tests for Calendar modules |
15:22 |
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Oak |
bug 8253 |
15:22 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fine doubling |
15:22 |
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Oak |
bug 8251 |
15:22 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin |
15:22 |
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Oak |
and make koha as rock solid as we can |
15:22 |
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wizzyrea |
oh that's not a dumb question. |
15:22 |
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Oak |
*then* talk about the shiny stuff |
15:22 |
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druthb |
Oak++ |
15:22 |
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eythian |
Oak: if you do that, you'll never reach the shiny stuff |
15:22 |
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Oak |
oh well, i was just thinking |
15:23 |
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eythian |
also, for some of us it depends on what clients want to put money into. |
15:23 |
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Oak |
hmm. good point. but the silly bugs are bugging me |
15:23 |
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jcamins |
Oak: in some cases *cough*search*cough* things are so bad that the only choice is starting over. :( |
15:23 |
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gmcharlt |
Oak: that's the constant tension -- between the sparkly new stuff and eating our brocolli |
15:23 |
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drojf |
fix these things first. and searching. *hides* |
15:23 |
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Oak |
:) |
15:23 |
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jcamins |
On the plus side, there's this lunatic who has decided to fix search. |
15:24 |
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wajasu |
:) |
15:24 |
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druthb |
Something in the water in NYC makes people crazy. |
15:24 |
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drojf |
the question is whether he will be in an insane asylum before he finishes :P |
15:24 |
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drojf |
but i hear they have internet there too these days… |
15:24 |
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druthb |
you mean, he's not already? He lives in Queens, after all. |
15:24 |
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jcamins |
druthb: it's the radioactive sludge. |
15:25 |
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wizzyrea |
mid-20's mutant ninja coder? |
15:25 |
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druthb |
neenja! |
15:25 |
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* druthb |
booms, in her James Earl Jones-ish voice, "The Force is strong in this one." |
15:26 |
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Oak |
guys who is he??? who are we talking about? |
15:26 |
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Oak |
or she |
15:26 |
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* druthb |
points at jcamins. |
15:27 |
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Oak |
\p/ |
15:27 |
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Oak |
oho |
15:27 |
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Oak |
p and o are close... so |
15:27 |
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druthb |
he's the crazy one with the search-fu itch to scratch. |
15:27 |
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Oak |
jcamins++ |
15:27 |
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* Oak |
hugs jcamins |
15:27 |
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* jcamins |
gets frustrated every Friday, when he does work for this one client. |
15:29 |
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rambutan |
search is actually a great example of fixing problems. While (IMHO) the search issues don't seem to have been a major concern of many Koha users, it's bugged the heck out of my staff |
15:29 |
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Joubu |
bye ! o/ |
15:31 |
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eythian |
@later tell cait http://i.imgur.com/gYQKw.jpg KAW! |
15:31 |
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huginn |
eythian: The operation succeeded. |
15:31 |
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wizzyrea |
ok that picture is scary. |
15:31 |
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wizzyrea |
evil bird is evil! |
15:32 |
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wizzyrea |
but strangely cute. |
15:33 |
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jcamins |
Good grief. |
15:33 |
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rambutan |
so now having found somebody to fix search, I want Koha to have hooks to Asterisk so that Koha can autodial patrons with voice announcements telling them when their holds are available for pickup |
15:33 |
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jcamins |
From the LCNAF: [THIS 1XX FIELD CANNOT BE USED UNDER RDA UNTIL THIS RECORD HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND/OR UPDATED] |
15:33 |
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jcamins |
What on earth is the point of a record that can't be used under the current rules? |
15:33 |
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wizzyrea |
the itiva stuff is already done I thought. |
15:34 |
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eythian |
wahanui: pony is <reply>$who wants a pony! Someone give them a pony. |
15:34 |
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wahanui |
OK, eythian. |
15:34 |
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eythian |
pony? |
15:34 |
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wahanui |
eythian wants a pony! Someone give them a pony. |
15:34 |
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wizzyrea |
doesn't asterisk just use csv files for that kind of stuff? |
15:34 |
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jcamins |
wizzyrea: I think it broke again. |
15:34 |
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wizzyrea |
pony? |
15:34 |
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wahanui |
wizzyrea wants a pony! Someone give them a pony. |
15:35 |
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wizzyrea |
eythian: i like that one. |
15:35 |
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rambutan |
wizzyrea: I don't know, I just made that up on the fly. Sounds like a good feature though. |
15:35 |
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wizzyrea |
oh it's a great feature |
15:35 |
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wizzyrea |
right after we get holidays and overdues fixed. |
15:36 |
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wizzyrea |
:P |
15:36 |
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wizzyrea |
you know, circ. |
15:38 |
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drojf |
we could make koha use asterisk to dial jcamins' number and ask how far he is with fixing koha search every time something does not work. that might bring him closer to the madhouse though |
15:38 |
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jcamins |
lol |
15:38 |
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jcamins |
Thanks. |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #814: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 21 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/814/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* christophe.croullebois: SIGNED-OFF] bug 8382: It is not possible to cancel an order on a filtered page in parcel.pl |
15:41 |
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jenkins_koha |
* veron: BUG 7621 [ENH] Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories |
15:41 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Paul Poulain: Bug 7621 follow-up DBRev number |
15:41 |
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jenkins_koha |
* Chris Cormack: Bug 8293 : Fixing POD to match actuality. |
15:41 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8382 normal, P1 - high, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , It is not possible to cancel an order when receiving on a filtered page in parcel.pl |
15:41 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories |
15:41 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8293 critical, P1 - high, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Software error when clicking on first or last result of each page on OPAC |
15:41 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #815 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 3 days ago) |
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mtompset |
Greetings, #koha.http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ystem_Preferences |
15:42 |
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mtompset |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ystem_Preferences |
15:42 |
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eythian |
magnuse: I'm attempting to rebase the i10n package work btw |
15:43 |
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mtompset |
I was wondering... English idiotism? You mean idioms, right? |
15:43 |
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jcamins |
No, "idiotism" is the right word. If it's not translatable, it's kind of an idiotic thing to put in an international project. :P |
15:46 |
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mtompset |
So, <insert other language> idiotism is okay? ;) |
15:46 |
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jcamins |
Nope. |
15:47 |
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jcamins |
But non-English text isn't allowed, period. |
15:47 |
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mtompset |
It doesn't expressly say that. |
15:48 |
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mtompset |
It should be obvious, but it can't hurt to be explicit. |
15:50 |
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jcamins |
I don't think it's a concern... no one has ever been confused. |
15:50 |
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eythian |
it's all under 'en' |
15:50 |
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jcamins |
An economy of language is devoutly to be wished. |
15:51 |
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magnuse |
eythian++ |
15:52 |
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Oak |
heh :-D just read your comment drojf. we can start with the smses now... we can text him everyday with a message 'are we there yet?'. getting text messages having international codes of a dozen countries on his phone might keep him smiling. |
15:52 |
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jcamins |
Hehe. |
15:53 |
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Oak |
:) |
15:53 |
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jcamins |
khall: that's a pretty nifty trick with slips. |
15:54 |
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khall |
thanks! |
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mtompset |
Well, I know I'll missing the meeting in about 2 hours, but I need sleep. |
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* mtompset |
waves bye. |
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eythian |
http://blog.sudobits.com/2012/[…]-for-perl-lovers/ <-- I think this should be the new Koha-recommended distro |
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gmcharlt |
eythian++ |
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gaetan_B |
bye! |
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magnuse |
@arewethereyet |
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huginn |
magnuse: YES! |
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magnuse |
w00t? next question: where are we :-) |
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wajasu |
i'm just going to submit a bug and patch for the Reseve.t test since expdate was added to AddReserve at http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fcd965283aa91968e |
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oleonard |
speedy. |
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magnuse |
back in 1,5! |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #815: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/815/ |
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jenkins_koha |
* ruth: Bug 7613: OCLC Connexion web service and desktop client, followup patch |
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jenkins_koha |
* colin.campbell: Bug 8514 Restore Patron Name Display Order |
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jenkins_koha |
* oleonard: Bug 7784 - Improve clarity of batch modification operations |
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jenkins_koha |
* m.de.rooy: Bug 8704 - Typo in etc/koha-conf.xml |
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jenkins_koha |
* m.de.rooy: Bug 8706 - Private lists can be accessed by anyone |
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jenkins_koha |
* fridolyn.somers: Bug 8261: Cannot search system preferences from Local Use tab |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Pushed to Master , OCLC Connexion Gateway, including extension svc/import_bib |
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jenkins_koha |
* nengard: Bug 8696: Update Export bibs on Tool Menu |
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jenkins_koha |
* jcamins: Bug 8550: restore ISSN field to Z39.50 search |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8514 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Display of patron results changed display order |
16:49 |
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jenkins_koha |
* jcamins: Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display |
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jenkins_koha |
* jcamins: Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display (intranet) |
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jenkins_koha |
* tomascohen: Bug 6617 - Wrong first indicator value in test |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7784 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve clarity of batch modification operations |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8704 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Typo in etc/koha-conf.xml |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8706 critical, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Private lists can be accessed by anyone |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8261 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Cannot search system preferences from Local Use tab |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8696 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Tools menu says export bibs still |
16:49 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8550 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 searches for ISBN/ISSN problematic |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #816 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 3 days ago) |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6617 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , table of contents not printing right if entered right |
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* oleonard |
salutes jenkins_koha and huginn |
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jcamins |
@later tell rangi Did Jenkins run out of RAM? Scads of tests failed. |
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huginn |
jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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jcamins |
@later tell rangi Never mind, scads of tests failed twice in a row. Probably not a RAM issue. |
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huginn |
jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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rambutan |
hi cait |
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wajasu |
maybe someone can signoff bug 8728 - its easy. just run the Reserves.t in master and see it pass |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8728 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , t/db_dependent/Reserve.t test doesn't use resdate and expdate arguments for AddReserve |
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jcamins |
@later tell rangi I figured it out. updatedatabase.pl didn't get run. I don't know why. |
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huginn |
jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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Brooke |
0/ |
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Oak |
hello Brooke :) |
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* cait |
waves |
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* slef |
waves at cait |
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cait |
hi slef |
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cait |
Brooke asked me to chair the meeting today |
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mbalmer |
meetings are overrated... |
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cait |
can you help me get the meetbot sorted? :) |
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* mveron |
waves to everybody |
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oleonard |
Thanks cait |
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slef |
cait: I'll try. after #startmeeting and #topic Introductions I bet it'll come back to you. |
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cait |
I think so :) |
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cait |
looking for the agenda, then we can start |
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wizzyrea |
arg naturally I have a Very Important Meeting That Is Not This One to participate in >.< |
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wizzyrea |
during this time |
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* oleonard |
has only an hour until he must disappear |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #816: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/816/ |
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* mbalmer |
senses a strong participation from switzerland... |
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cait |
5 more minutes on my clock |
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* jcamins |
will be leaving imminently. |
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slef |
mbalmer: will you be selling any CDs of confidential data? |
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mbalmer |
please make price suggestions in privmsg, slef... |
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cait |
hi ColinC |
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ColinC |
hi cait |
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cait |
59 persons in #koha :) |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
let's start |
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ColinC |
the more the merrier |
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cait |
#startmeeting |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Sep 5 17:59:26 2012 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. |
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wahanui |
if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
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cait |
#topic Introductions |
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wahanui |
#info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions |
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cait |
welcome to today's Koha IRC meeting |
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cait |
please introduce yourself with #info at the beginning of the line |
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slef |
#info MJ Ray, software.coop, Setchey, Norfolk, England |
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cait |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
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jwagner |
#info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
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oleonard |
#info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
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libsysguy |
#info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions, Houston Texas |
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ColinC |
#info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe Ltd |
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jcamins |
#info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC |
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bag |
#info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater |
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wajasu |
#info Walter Sullvan |
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mveron |
#info Marc Véron, marc veron ag (www.veron.ch), Allschwil, Switzerland, member of Koha Support Schweiz |
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cait |
hi paul_p and Viktor - we just started introductions |
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mbalmer |
#info Marc Balmer, Koha Support Schweiz, www.koha-support.ch |
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paul_p |
#info Paul Poulain, BibLibre, France, current Koha Release Manager |
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rangi |
#info Chris C, Catalyst IT, 3.8.x rmmaint - only here until the kids wake up |
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slef |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ember_2012#Agenda |
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Viktor |
Viktor Sarge, Regional development council of the Halland Region - Sweden. |
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ago43 |
#info Albert Oller, Bywater, Worcester, MA |
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cait |
thx slef |
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karra |
#info Kari Blomster, Hailuoto, Finland. |
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cait |
Viktor - if you put a #info in front, the meeting logs will get it right :) |
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cait |
in case anyone wonders - Brooke asked me to take over for today :) |
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melia |
#info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions, California |
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Viktor |
cait - Oh, sorry. Thanks! |
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cait |
ok, going to move on |
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Viktor |
#info Viktor Sarge, Regional development council of the Halland region, Sweden. |
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cait |
#topic Announcements |
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Topic for #koha is now Announcements |
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Oak |
#info Arslan Farooq, Pakistan |
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cait |
do we have announcements to make? |
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gbengaadara |
#info Olugbenga Adara, Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria |
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rambutan |
#info Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library |
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cait |
ok, I take there are no announcements? so we canmove on to the next topic |
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cait |
#topic Update on Roadmap to 3.6 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on Roadmap to 3.6 |
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cait |
word goes to jcamins |
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jcamins |
#info 3.6.9 is on schedule |
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magnuse |
#info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
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jcamins |
I was planning on announcing 3.6.x's EOL for October 22, but I've been told that we may have a volunteer to take over as RMaint, which would be good. |
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jcamins |
And that's that. |
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eythian |
#info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT |
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cait |
jcamins: can you disclose whom we have to encourage? |
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cait |
:) |
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cait |
probably not |
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cait |
any questions to jcamins about 3.6.x? |
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jcamins |
cait: not yet. I just found out yesterday that this person might consider it. |
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druthb |
#info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater |
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cait |
ok, if noone has questions, we canmove to the next topic |
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cait |
#topic Update on Roadmap to 3.8 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on Roadmap to 3.8 |
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paul_p |
about 3.6, should we ask on the ML how many ppl are still running it ? |
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cait |
rangi: still here? |
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wahanui |
somebody said here was where I work |
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rangi |
yep |
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jcamins |
paul_p: why? Do you care? |
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paul_p |
so we could see if it's worth the involvement for the RMaint |
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rangi |
3.8.5 is on schedule, i really want bug 8251 and bug 8246 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8246 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't delete bibs in big batch delete |
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cait |
#info 3.8.5 on schedule |
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paul_p |
jcamins = if no one is using it, maybe the candidate RMaint will reconsider applying ? |
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rangi |
hmm not 8246 the one that is linked to 8251 :) |
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jcamins |
That's his/her decision, I think. |
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slef |
do we have download stats? |
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rangi |
in, but they need to pass qa and be pushed to master |
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cait |
rangi: so we need qa now? or do we still need patches too? |
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rangi |
qa |
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paul_p |
rambutan = still no patch on 8246 ? |
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rangi |
not 8246 |
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cait |
rangi: maybe add the correct bug numbers as #info? I got confused |
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rambutan |
? |
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cait |
wrong autocomplete I think :) |
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rambutan |
yep |
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paul_p |
oops... 2 "ra-something" ;-) |
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cait |
paul_p: I think if someone offers to be rmaint he/she probably has an interest in the version to continue |
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rangi |
#info bug 8251 and bug 8486 are intertwined and i want them fixed for 3.8.5 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8486 blocker, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Critical error in Koha::Calendar::days_between calculation |
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cait |
rangi: thx |
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paul_p |
cait = probably, just suggesting asking on the ML. It's not hard to do and can give us usefull informations ! |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
somethng else for 3.8.x? |
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rangi |
i think it would give information, probably not useful :) |
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rangi |
nope thats it |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
so next topic |
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cait |
#topic Update on Roadmap to 3.10 |
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Topic for #koha is now Update on Roadmap to 3.10 |
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paul_p |
my turn then ;-) |
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cait |
paul_p has the word |
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paul_p |
well, I had 80 patches to push when I came back from holiday. Most of them are pushed now |
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magnuse |
paul_p++ |
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oleonard |
paul_p++ |
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paul_p |
There are just a few patches related to authorities that I want to test more before pushing. |
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paul_p |
And some that are waiting for feedback i've asked |
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Oak |
paul_p++ |
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mveron |
paul_p++ |
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* jcamins |
runs off. |
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cait |
I have a question about feature freeze - is it still 22nd september? |
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paul_p |
The "signed off" queue is quite large also. I'll try to work on it next week |
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cait |
and how will you handle it? |
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paul_p |
cait = yep, I still plan FF for sept 22th |
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paul_p |
cait = can you explain your question ? |
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cait |
#info 3.12 feature freeze will be on 22nd September |
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cait |
I think in the past we had some confusion about what it means |
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rangi |
3.10 |
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paul_p |
cait = not 3.12, 3.10 ;-) |
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cait |
oh |
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libsysguy |
heh no new features in 3.12 |
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libsysguy |
only bug fixes |
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cait |
#info um 3.10 feature freeze will be on 22nd September (last was typo) |
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cait |
won't you push any new featues, or is it the last day for sign off, or qa... |
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cait |
I think it would be good to make that very clear and maybe sent a mail on the mailing list |
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cait |
so people don't complain later |
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paul_p |
To insure the best stability, I won't push any patch that adds a feature that touches the core of Koha. |
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cait |
ok |
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cait |
so it has to be passed qa on that date? |
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paul_p |
yep. |
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cait |
#info so any new feature for 3.10 has to be passed qa on that date |
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bag |
sorry that statement still doesn't make sense to me - but I'm fine with it as is… Maybe next Kohacon someone can explain feature freeze to me |
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paul_p |
It means I'll will still add Enhancement, but only those that don't deal with the core of Koha. By core, I mean things like Koha.pm, Auth.pm, Circulation, ... |
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cait |
paul_p: so you distinguish between enh and new features? |
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slef |
I think this is sometimes called a light freeze, followed later by a deep freeze. |
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paul_p |
Maybe I should write a list of files that should not be modified after the FF |
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cait |
bag: i am also confused, that's why i am asking, and we shout write it down somewhere |
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wahanui |
okay, cait. |
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paul_p |
cait = nope, I distinguish between "core" and "non core". |
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* slef |
looks at wahanui |
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libsysguy |
so when is the non-core freeze |
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cait |
even if you don't touch C4 you can break stuff badly |
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magnuse |
a quick mail to the list explaining the different dates and what they mean would be good, i think :-) |
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libsysguy |
indeed |
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paul_p |
For example, the "batch biblio modification" is not core = there's no risk it break something. |
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cait |
like breaking the javascript in a template file, breaking the xslt, breaking a simpler perl file |
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cait |
i am not sure that can be dealt with a list of files |
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mbalmer |
and even if you touch C4, you can fix problems. |
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slef |
#agreed paul_p to send a quick mail to the list explaining the different dates and what they mean |
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* slef |
goes to fiddle with the fish |
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paul_p |
I don't say I won't push anything on Circulation ! I mean I won't push any ENH that touches Circulation ! (for example) |
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* paul_p |
feel i'm a little bit unclear... |
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drojf |
#info Mirko Tietgen, late |
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cait |
paul_p: hm I think a mail to the list would be great |
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paul_p |
will try to be more clear on koha-devel. |
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cait |
cool thx! |
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wajasu |
for a newbie. when and how do documentation patches get applied? to align with the expected things that pass QA. |
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cait |
paul_p++ |
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paul_p |
maybe I could list ENH that are concerned by the FF, and those that could pass after the FF ! |
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paul_p |
s/could/should/ |
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paul_p |
I also plan to write & publish my RM monthly newsletter tomorrow |
18:25 |
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magnuse |
yay! |
18:25 |
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paul_p |
Otherwise, things are going well. |
18:25 |
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karra |
:) sounds great!! |
18:25 |
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cait |
#info paul_p is going to publish the rm newsletter tomorrow |
18:26 |
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Viktor |
great |
18:26 |
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cait |
ok, do we need more discussion on 3.10/rlease cycle? |
18:26 |
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paul_p |
to finish with the 3.10 topic, I must say I'm very happy to imagine I've only 2.5 months to wait before not being RM anymore. It's an exhausting task, really ! |
18:27 |
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paul_p |
(which does not mean I'm happy to be. But 1 year is enough !) |
18:27 |
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karra |
you work so hard, explaining is tough, feel for you |
18:27 |
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cait |
:) |
18:27 |
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karra |
:) |
18:27 |
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cait |
ok, I would suggest moving on then |
18:27 |
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cait |
#topic KohaCon2013 |
18:27 |
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Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2013 |
18:27 |
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paul_p |
(it's really a lot of responsibility for a single person) |
18:28 |
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* oleonard |
reassures potential future RMs that paul_p is exaggerating and that they'll love it |
18:28 |
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cait |
heh |
18:28 |
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thd |
paul_p: The exhausting parts of the task really need more delegation. |
18:28 |
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paul_p |
thd++ !!! |
18:28 |
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cait |
guess I am too fast as chair today -sorry all |
18:28 |
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oleonard |
Do we have anyone here who is helping plan KohaCon13? |
18:28 |
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Oak |
even paul_p will miss it when he's no longer RM. he'll tell us for sure. |
18:28 |
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paul_p |
oleonard = you haven't seen the pm I've sent to jcamins_away when he applied ;-) I really tried to discourage him, to be sure he was really wanting the job :D |
18:28 |
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jwagner |
cait, you're doing fine -- it's a nice pace as far as I'm concerned :-) |
18:29 |
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magnuse |
cait++ |
18:29 |
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cait |
thx |
18:29 |
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rangi |
no kohacon13 people? |
18:29 |
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Oak |
@later tell Brooke cait did great at the meeting :) |
18:29 |
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huginn |
Oak: The operation succeeded. |
18:29 |
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thd |
paul_p: The code base and contributions will inevitable grow to the point where no mere mortal can sanely undertake the task alone. |
18:29 |
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cait |
ok, if noone is here we could perhaps make a short note about the meeting that was |
18:29 |
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rangi |
lets keep on topic please people :) |
18:29 |
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Oak |
oh sorry |
18:30 |
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cait |
thd: I think maybe we can put the general discusson ore to the end? |
18:30 |
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rangi |
i have 2 kids who are gonna climb all over me any minute now |
18:30 |
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slef |
I think I was at a kohacon13 meeting |
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18:30 |
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cait |
yes you were |
18:30 |
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thd |
sorry, missed topic change. |
18:30 |
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cait |
cn you give a short summary? |
18:30 |
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slef |
how long ago was that? |
18:30 |
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slef |
#link http://meetings.koha-community[…]-08-22-15.00.html |
18:31 |
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cait |
ah nice |
18:31 |
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bag |
it was quick IRC |
18:31 |
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cait |
I think Nancy said another meting will be called once they got dates and prices for the places |
18:31 |
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bag |
cait you are correct - that's a decent summary |
18:31 |
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slef |
#info basically 3-1-3 pattern and they're getting bids from venues before fixing more details. More meetings to follow |
18:31 |
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cait |
ok |
18:32 |
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cait |
so warning - going to change the topic :) |
18:32 |
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thd |
wait |
18:32 |
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cait |
:) |
18:32 |
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karra |
:)) |
18:32 |
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thd |
slef: What is 3-1-3? |
18:32 |
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oleonard |
Three days conference, one day off, three days hackfest |
18:32 |
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slef |
3 days conference, 1 day social, 3 days hackfest |
18:33 |
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cait |
it seemed to work well for the last conferences |
18:33 |
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slef |
but I think it may change if one of the bids is brilliant and requires it to change |
18:33 |
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* oleonard |
proposes 3-1-14 |
18:33 |
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* cait |
votes for that |
18:33 |
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* thd |
is now ready for topic change. Thanks. |
18:33 |
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* drojf |
proposed someone sponsoring me for that time |
18:34 |
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* druthb |
proposes founding KohaColony: a place where That's What We Do. |
18:34 |
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mbalmer |
what is -1- good for? |
18:34 |
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mbalmer |
it just means spending more money on hotel |
18:34 |
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oleonard |
Being social, sightseeing, etc. |
18:34 |
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cait |
getting to know each other and actually see something of the foreign place you are at? :) |
18:34 |
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drojf |
that's nothing mbalmer would do :P |
18:34 |
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thd |
and sleeping in case you had lost sleep with all your all night coding. |
18:34 |
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Viktor |
I did not see the point of 1 until attending Edinburgh and missing out on the social by having to go home. |
18:35 |
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slef |
Yeah, well, the Edinburgh 1 wasn't as good as the Wellington/Levin 1. |
18:35 |
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mveron |
...it was raining... |
18:35 |
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rangi |
i enjoyed riding the bus around edinburgh with my friends |
18:35 |
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slef |
We tried but nothing quite seemed to come together for that day. |
18:35 |
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druthb |
The Mumbai 1 was quite fun, too. |
18:35 |
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rangi |
even in the rain |
18:35 |
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mveron |
...so we could do some more ad hoc work on Koha |
18:35 |
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cait |
aw |
18:36 |
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paul_p |
mbalmer = Edinburgh KohaCon was different than others. On others, we had an organised event. Very interesting & important for socializing. |
18:36 |
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mbalmer |
sp we should really do 1-7-1 |
18:36 |
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drojf |
rangi: don't forget the sea we almost saw :) |
18:36 |
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rangi |
heh |
18:36 |
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paul_p |
mbalmer = that's an option ;-) |
18:36 |
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cait |
ok :) |
18:36 |
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paul_p |
but I would prefer 3-1-14 as oleonard suggested ;-) |
18:36 |
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mveron |
3 - 1- 361 ? |
18:36 |
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wahanui |
-359 |
18:36 |
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druthb |
1-7-14? |
18:36 |
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wahanui |
-20 |
18:36 |
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drojf |
maybe i can do 3-1-14 if i fo koha camping |
18:36 |
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paul_p |
mveron++ |
18:36 |
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slef |
At Wellington/Levin KohaCon, there was a bus to Levin for a civic reception and a powhiri(spelling! and maybe the wrong word!) |
18:36 |
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cait |
but now we are going off topic - I am going to make you discuss that in miscellaneous |
18:37 |
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mbalmer |
90-60-90 |
18:37 |
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wahanui |
-60 |
18:37 |
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cait |
even if it's fun |
18:37 |
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jwagner |
cait++ |
18:37 |
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cait |
topic change warning |
18:37 |
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cait |
#topic Roles for 3.12 |
18:37 |
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Topic for #koha is now Roles for 3.12 |
18:37 |
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* slef |
ducks and covers from the cait topicbombs |
18:37 |
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cait |
can someone #link the proposals please? |
18:38 |
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oleonard |
#link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.12 |
18:38 |
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rangi |
we still need translation manager, QA manager and chair |
18:38 |
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* jwagner |
nominates cait for meeting chair! |
18:38 |
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cait |
i already signed up for 2 roles |
18:38 |
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mbalmer |
it hits my eye that there is no QA manager, which seems important |
18:38 |
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cait |
and there are some times that would be pretty hard for me to do |
18:38 |
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jwagner |
cait, it's called multi-tasking :-) |
18:39 |
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* druthb |
seconds jwagner's nomination of cait for meeting chair. |
18:39 |
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thd |
There is a proposal for rotating meeting chair. |
18:39 |
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magnuse |
lots of *Assistant* QA Managers, though |
18:39 |
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libsysguy |
heh |
18:39 |
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rangi |
gotta have people to rotate it too |
18:39 |
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mbalmer |
me not, sunce cait does not want that role apparently, or am I wrong? |
18:39 |
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thd |
rangi++ |
18:40 |
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talljoy |
#info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions |
18:40 |
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cait |
mbalmer: i would do it - but I think there is a word for people with too many roles |
18:40 |
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jwagner |
talented? |
18:40 |
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magnuse |
hehe |
18:40 |
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druthb |
"manic?" |
18:40 |
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mveron |
:-) |
18:40 |
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mveron |
for talented... |
18:40 |
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* paul_p |
think he will just promize to dedicate half a day every week to signoff the 5 oldest patches in the "need signoff" queue. But I still hesitate to join as QA-A also |
18:40 |
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thd |
If you can stretch yourself very thin, that is a talent. |
18:41 |
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cait |
paul_p: that would still be a very good promise :) |
18:41 |
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cait |
and not easy, but would be brilliant |
18:41 |
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mveron |
paul_p++ |
18:41 |
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mbalmer |
if mveron is a bug wrangler, I can always try hard to introduce new bugs... |
18:41 |
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* druthb |
would like to help out cait with the TM role a bit; recent work on Arabic has sparked her interest. |
18:41 |
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drojf |
ancient patch signoffer. cool role! |
18:41 |
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cait |
ah right |
18:41 |
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cait |
we are also missing a translation manager it seems |
18:41 |
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wahanui |
okay, cait. |
18:41 |
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cait |
I haven't heard from fredericd if he wants to continue |
18:41 |
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magnuse |
paul_p++ |
18:41 |
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cait |
and I am only offering to assist |
18:42 |
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rangi |
the TM manager needs to run pootle |
18:42 |
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cait |
yep |
18:42 |
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paul_p |
cait = we also had another frenchy as TM-assistant, this round |
18:42 |
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18:42 |
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* paul_p |
don't remember his name... |
18:42 |
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cait |
Samuel ? |
18:42 |
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drojf |
i bet pootle runs fine from a raspberry pi inside the bsz headquaters |
18:42 |
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paul_p |
cait, yep, Samuel, thx |
18:42 |
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cait |
drojf: heh |
18:43 |
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cait |
ok |
18:43 |
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cait |
what can we note down? |
18:43 |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #817 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 3 days ago) |
18:43 |
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cait |
# idea: rotate meeting chairs |
18:43 |
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rangi |
i propose someone sends another mail to the lists |
18:43 |
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rangi |
and not me |
18:43 |
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cait |
#info idea: rotate meeting chairs |
18:43 |
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cait |
ok, who can we volunteer for that |
18:43 |
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rangi |
noting the areas we are missing volunteers |
18:43 |
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cait |
not me |
18:43 |
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drojf |
when is voting for the roles supposed to happen? or did i just miss that? |
18:43 |
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cait |
we have to decide about that today |
18:44 |
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cait |
and it should happen well before 3.10 release |
18:44 |
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cait |
drojf: can you send a mail? with the date and missing roles? :) |
18:44 |
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drojf |
well before… is next time?! |
18:44 |
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rangi |
next month meeting |
18:44 |
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rangi |
we should make that the voting day maybe |
18:44 |
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cait |
I agree |
18:44 |
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magnuse |
+1 |
18:44 |
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cait |
drojf: persuaded? |
18:45 |
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druthb |
+1 |
18:45 |
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drojf |
+1 |
18:45 |
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mveron |
+1 |
18:45 |
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paul_p |
+1 |
18:45 |
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oleonard |
And if we don't have volunteers for each role we take who we can get later? |
18:45 |
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drojf |
cait: ok i'll send an email if it has not to be tonight |
18:45 |
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rangi |
yep |
18:45 |
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ColinC |
+1 |
18:45 |
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cait |
#action someone (maybe drojf) is going to send a reminder to the list with missing roles and the voting date |
18:45 |
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cait |
excellent |
18:45 |
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cait |
ok |
18:45 |
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cait |
ok, so we are voting on making the next meeting a voting meeting only? |
18:46 |
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drojf |
i think so |
18:46 |
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18:46 |
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slef |
+1 |
18:46 |
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magnuse |
+1 |
18:46 |
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jwagner |
+1 |
18:46 |
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cait |
ok, please vote if that's ok for you or not, and I am going to check the time for next meeting |
18:46 |
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cait |
+1 for me also |
18:46 |
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thd |
+1 |
18:46 |
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pikin |
ok |
18:46 |
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rangi |
+1 |
18:46 |
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drojf |
+1 |
18:47 |
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druthb |
+1 |
18:47 |
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Viktor |
+1 |
18:47 |
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oleonard |
+1 |
18:47 |
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eythian |
+1 |
18:47 |
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karra |
+1 |
18:47 |
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libsysguy |
+1 |
18:47 |
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gbengaadara |
+1 |
18:47 |
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bag |
+1 |
18:48 |
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cait |
#agreed next IRC meeting will be voting on roles for 3.12 only |
18:48 |
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cait |
ok |
18:48 |
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pikin |
pls i realy need 2 learn about koha |
18:48 |
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magnuse |
um... |
18:48 |
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cait |
as we are on 18 now and have had 2 before, I think the time fo the next meeting is 10 UTC+0 |
18:48 |
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pikin |
am a novice |
18:48 |
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magnuse |
"only" as in that will be the only business at that meeting? |
18:49 |
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cait |
ah, that was my question, sorry |
18:49 |
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mbalmer |
pkin, we are in a general meeting |
18:49 |
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talljoy |
+1 |
18:49 |
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rangi |
pikin, we are in a meeting, please wait until it is finished |
18:49 |
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cait |
maybe top priority? but it might get long |
18:49 |
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jwagner |
pikin, give it about half an hour and ask again |
18:49 |
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slef |
pikin: can you wait a few minutes and someone will help you? If not, I'll open a direct chat. |
18:49 |
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cait |
maybe better to have another meeting short after to keep it a bit shorter? or only urgent topics? |
18:50 |
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rangi |
yes it is 10 UTC cait |
18:50 |
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oleonard |
10/10 at 10? |
18:50 |
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rangi |
easy |
18:50 |
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cait |
sounds good to me |
18:50 |
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rangi |
lets do that |
18:50 |
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drojf |
i like it |
18:50 |
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cait |
someone wants to veto? |
18:50 |
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magnuse |
nope |
18:50 |
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pikin |
k |
18:50 |
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cait |
lets have a vote on 10/10 10 UTC |
18:50 |
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cait |
please |
18:51 |
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magnuse |
+1 |
18:51 |
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drojf |
+1 |
18:51 |
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oleonard |
+1 |
18:51 |
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druthb |
+1 |
18:51 |
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gbengaadara |
+1 |
18:51 |
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cait |
+1 |
18:51 |
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karra |
+1 |
18:51 |
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ColinC |
+10 |
18:51 |
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thd |
+1 |
18:51 |
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mveron |
+1 |
18:51 |
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Viktor |
+1 |
18:51 |
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talljoy |
+! |
18:51 |
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talljoy |
+1 |
18:51 |
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rangi |
+1 |
18:52 |
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paul_p |
+1 |
18:52 |
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cait |
#agreed next IRC meeting will be on 10th october at 10 UTC+0 |
18:52 |
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cait |
ok |
18:52 |
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cait |
now for only or not - magnuse - should we change that? |
18:52 |
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rangi |
what? |
18:52 |
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cait |
if it will be only a vote meeting or other topics too |
18:53 |
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rangi |
i thought that was what we voted for? |
18:53 |
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cait |
magnuse had a question about it, only making sure it's ok |
18:54 |
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rangi |
< cait> ok, please vote if that's ok for you or not, and I am going to check the time for next meeting |
18:54 |
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slef |
we'll be part way through the freeze won't we? So an update would be good |
18:54 |
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rangi |
yeah but not during that meeting |
18:54 |
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rangi |
it will be long enough anyway |
18:54 |
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pikin |
k |
18:54 |
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* oleonard |
thought we were voting on whether the senior lounge should have a foosball table |
18:54 |
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pikin |
am confused |
18:54 |
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magnuse |
ok, i was unsure if i was understanding correctly |
18:55 |
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cait |
I think we can slip a short update in , but probably will have lots of discussion about proposals and votes |
18:55 |
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magnuse |
but if i was the only one wondering i'll keep schtumm |
18:55 |
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* slef |
thought we were voting on next meeting making the decision, not on voting being the only topic. *shrug* Up to the rest of you. |
18:55 |
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cait |
ok, next on the list of topics is... |
18:56 |
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drojf |
so everybody voted for something else? it's nice that we agreed for something :) |
18:56 |
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drojf |
agreed on |
18:56 |
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thd |
slef: At the end of the voting we could vote on including other business :) |
18:56 |
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cait |
ok, speak up if you disagree with "only" - if not I am moving on :) |
18:57 |
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* rangi |
has to go |
18:57 |
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magnuse |
feel free to edit: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_10_October_2012 :-) |
18:57 |
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cait |
ok, next topic |
18:57 |
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thd |
I think that voting had at least been understood to be the primary purpose of the next meeting. |
18:57 |
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18:58 |
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thd |
wait one moment please cait. |
18:58 |
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rangi |
and that is why ppl dont want to be chair :) |
18:58 |
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rangi |
you cant tell the chair to wait one minute |
18:58 |
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* rangi |
is really gone now |
18:58 |
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thd |
Sorry |
18:59 |
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slef |
what are we waiting for? |
18:59 |
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drojf |
no idea |
18:59 |
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thd |
I think it is a problem to absolutely exclude all other business |
18:59 |
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cait |
I don't think we have to be as strict, but we should strictly deal with voting first |
18:59 |
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oleonard |
We're human, flexible, and can accommodate necessary changes at the time of the meeting |
18:59 |
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cait |
and if it's only 2 hours by then... maybe make another date for a meeting sooner than in one month |
19:00 |
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cait |
but that's only my opinion on this |
19:00 |
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drojf |
+1 for voting as long as it takes and then other things |
19:00 |
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drojf |
if any |
19:00 |
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drojf |
and if power left |
19:00 |
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thd |
I think that we can see if there is time to make an announcement or something after the primary voting business of the meeting. |
19:00 |
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cait |
yes, that's waht I would suggest |
19:00 |
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cait |
ready to move on now? :) |
19:00 |
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mveron |
+1 |
19:00 |
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thd |
oleanard++ |
19:00 |
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cait |
#topic Actions from General IRC meeting, 8th August 2012 |
19:00 |
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Topic for #koha is now Actions from General IRC meeting, 8th August 2012 |
19:00 |
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cait |
I see no open #action items on last meeting's agenda http://meetings.koha-community[…]-08-08-02.01.html |
19:00 |
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slef |
move on now |
19:00 |
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* oleonard |
must leave |
19:00 |
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cait |
so is there any action we should deal with? |
19:01 |
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slef |
NAFAIK |
19:01 |
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19:01 |
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cait |
ok, in any case, moving on to next, because any topic will fit there |
19:01 |
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cait |
#topic Miscellaneous |
19:01 |
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Topic for #koha is now Miscellaneous |
19:01 |
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19:01 |
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cait |
ok :) |
19:02 |
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cait |
now - what did we miss before? any new topics? |
19:02 |
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slef |
365-day kohacons I think |
19:02 |
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19:02 |
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cait |
I think we would have to move into one city altogether for this |
19:02 |
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cait |
and this doesn't mean I am against it |
19:02 |
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cait |
not at all |
19:02 |
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mveron |
Basel? |
19:02 |
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cait |
or we could rotate... |
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mbalmer |
Frick? |
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drojf |
berlin? |
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wahanui |
berlin is too small :) |
19:03 |
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drojf |
heh |
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drojf |
bad bot, no cookie |
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cait |
as we have already decided on a next date - I am going to end the meeting. and then we can talk about this ;) |
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cait |
so - end meeting warning - someone with another serious topic? |
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wajasu |
anyone using smsoverdues.pl? or rss.pl? cronjobs they are coded with HTML::Template::Pro. |
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pikin |
hey guys am a novice in koha,pls i need help,this is my email voachanyafudutsinma.edu.ng |
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cait |
#endmeeting |
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Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The Next General Meeting is 5 September 18 UTC |
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huginn |
Meeting ended Wed Sep 5 19:02:07 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
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huginn |
Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-09-05-17.59.html |
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huginn |
Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]2-09-05-17.59.txt |
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huginn |
Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]05-17.59.log.html |
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mveron |
cait ++ |
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cait |
wajasu: hm maybe file a bug for it? |
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talljoy |
cait++ |
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wajasu |
ok |
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cait |
it seems they didn't get updated with the translation scripts then? |
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slef |
pikin: what's the problem? Sorry for the delay |
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drojf |
cait++ |
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jcamins_away |
pikin: if you have a question, now that the meeting is over you may ask it. If you want in-depth support, there are vendors you can hire for support. |
19:05 |
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cait |
and why is there template code in a pl file? :( |
19:05 |
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slef |
first question? |
19:05 |
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wahanui |
"What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" |
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pikin |
just want 2 learn |
19:05 |
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jcamins |
manual? |
19:05 |
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wahanui |
i guess manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
19:05 |
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jcamins |
^^ that's worth reading through |
19:05 |
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slef |
livedvd? |
19:05 |
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slef |
dvd? |
19:05 |
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slef |
live dvd? |
19:05 |
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pikin |
k |
19:05 |
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* slef |
slaps wahanui upside the dead |
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talljoy |
lol |
19:06 |
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cait |
lol |
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cait |
ouch |
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pikin |
dont hv any |
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slef |
wahanui: TALK TO ME BABAY! |
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wahanui |
slef: excuse me? |
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paul_p |
bye bye everyone. Good day to americans, oceanians and asians. Sweet dreams to africans & europeans ;-) |
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eythian |
wahanui: don't talk to slef |
19:06 |
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wahanui |
eythian: huh? |
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Viktor |
The manual is good for looking up stuff - but do we have any sort of shorter general introduction to Koha? |
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slef |
wahanui: why? |
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wahanui |
slef: i don't know |
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eythian |
paul_p: hey, you missed me in that! |
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paul_p |
eythian = you're oceanians, isn't it ? |
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jcamins |
slef? |
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wahanui |
slef is probably probably busy so please use http://www.software.coop/contact/ if you need him for work |
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mveron |
Bonne nuit paul_p |
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eythian |
paul_p: but it's still night time for me! |
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paul_p |
eythian = well, oceanian in europe those days ;-) |
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pikin |
how can i get help |
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eythian |
later paul_p |
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jcamins |
slef is also but I don't want to say anything bad about him lest he smack me |
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wahanui |
okay, jcamins. |
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mbalmer |
next week will be the BIS Kongress in Konstanz, near Switzerland, with a strong Koha presence |
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mbalmer |
BIS = Librarians in Switzerland |
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eythian |
amusingly, they have it in Germany :) |
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* paul_p |
suggest once again that everyone moves to the same TZ, and will ask UN for that decision. Should be easier than deciding something for Syriah ! |
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drojf |
mbalmer: how many koha libraries do you have in ch? |
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pikin |
it new in my place Nigeria |
19:08 |
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slef |
pikin: ask here, see http://koha-community.org/support/ |
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jcamins |
pikin: so far you haven't told us what you need help with. |
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mbalmer |
drojy, a handful |
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mbalmer |
drojf, even... |
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pikin |
an my school is a new unversity |
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mveron |
drojf: We know about 6 libraries |
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slef |
wahanui: what is the difference between a duck? |
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wahanui |
hmmm... the difference between a duck is that one of its legs is the same |
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magnuse |
have fun #koha! |
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pikin |
the whle package |
19:09 |
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slef |
wahanui: download? |
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wahanui |
wish i knew, slef |
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eythian |
no wahanui, the difference between a duck is that one of its legs is both the same. |
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wahanui |
okay, eythian. |
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gbengaadara |
Pikin: Projektlink Konsult is having a 3 day training on Koha 3.8 in Ibadan 11th - 13th Sept if you are intrested |
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Viktor |
pikin From install to using Koha? |
19:10 |
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pikin |
how to upload data in koha |
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pikin |
ok tnx 4 the infor |
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thd |
nengard: are you here? |
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nengard |
yes |
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eythian |
bye all |
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thd |
The bug about batch deletions ... |
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slef |
pikin: it depends what sort of data, but maybe Tools: Stage MARC records for import |
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thd |
... Do you know something about the number of records required for triggering the bug? |
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pikin |
yea |
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pikin |
stage MARC records |
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mbalmer |
please, MARC BALMER records... |
19:12 |
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pikin |
how to subscribe |
19:12 |
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nengard |
thd bug number? |
19:13 |
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slef |
pikin: subscribe to what? |
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nengard |
thd from the manual "If your file (or list of scanned barcodes) has more than 1000 barcodes, Koha will be unable to present you with a list of the items. " |
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pikin |
to data |
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pikin |
books etc |
19:13 |
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thd |
nengard: You reported http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8246 . |
19:13 |
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huginn |
Bug 8246: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't delete bibs in big batch delete |
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nengard |
right, over 1000 |
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slef |
pikin: I don't understand and now I must go. Maybe others here can help. |
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pikin |
thanks guys u r nice.. |
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thd |
nengard: Are you stating that the manual is informing the user how to work around the bug/limitation? |
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karra |
pikin: for a start you could read normal Wikipedia, and Koha has wonderful story form 1990-s. |
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pikin |
tnx man |
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gbengaadara |
A library wants fines implemented this way: N5 for the first 10 days then N10 subsequently. Is there a work around to do this in Koha? |
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karra |
ur welcome, :) |
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cait |
gbengaadara: i think currently not - I think someone had an alternative fines script doing that, but it's not in koha |
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thd |
nengard: Is this strictly a friendly interface functionality issue where the HTML form is not created? |
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nengard |
well i understand the html form not being created with that many titles, but the option to delete the bibs should still be there |
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nengard |
so it's not design issue |
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thd |
nengard: I am confused about your last sentence. |
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gbengaadara |
cait: Thanks. Any advice on how i can track the script down |
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thd |
nengard: Are you saying that a low level delete of over 1000 records would work fine but the friendly form would not appear? |
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cait |
gbengaadara: i think a mail to the mailing list may make it show up perhaps |
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nengard |
it's not an interface functionality issue like you said - it's a missing feature ? if there are 999 titles you can delete the bibs as well, but if there are 1000+ you can't delete the bib records |
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cait |
gbengaadara: it was a while ago, not sure who it was and if it will work on current version |
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gbengaadara |
cait: ok. will try that |
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thd |
nengard: OK, thanks for the clarification. |
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thd |
nengard: My experiments have only involved smaller numbers of records and when I delete I usually purge everything. |
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nengard |
yup |
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* thd |
does laundry and prays that headache inducing summer weather ends today. |
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karra |
Hey, listen, Another thing. Are there any opac searchable fields in Serial Item records? |
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cait |
karra: sorry, I don#t understand it :( can you give a use case? |
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karra |
Serial collection has, items. |
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karra |
and they have notes |
19:24 |
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karra |
But not to search by patrons? |
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karra |
ok? |
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karra |
:) |
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* drojf |
still has not touched serials in koha |
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drojf |
so no idea from me |
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karra |
As I have item 2011/22 there http://hailuoto.virtuaalitehda[…]litems=1#holdings |
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karra |
with a note, but it or likes of it do not get found. |
19:26 |
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karra |
Can it be worked somehow? |
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cait |
karra: it depends, if its real items they are searchable ai think or you could make them searchable |
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cait |
but not the fields from the subscriptions |
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karra |
ok? but.. |
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karra |
from.. |
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karra |
THis is an item note, yess?? |
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karra |
Further, the selfbrowsing w serials is of no use... :( --> http://hailuoto.virtuaalitehda[…]=306#shelfbrowser |
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karra |
So, cait, they are real items, but can serach find the items notes, its not a big deal, but interests me:)) |
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cait |
I don't know without testing |
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cait |
but the items information is in th emarc |
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cait |
so you could index it easily if it was not searchable |
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karra |
Ok, thanks. |
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cait |
subscription information is in the database - that wouldn't work so easy |
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karra |
But all in all, it is easily imaginable that you had a issue of a serial with important articles. |
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karra |
How do I make a working note of the content, related to the item/issue. (sorry I have not read all the manual yet..):) |
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cait |
you coudl do analytics records for those articles |
19:33 |
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cait |
or put them in th enotes |
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karra |
hey, im only a librarian.. :D |
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cait |
but koha doesn't support that structure right now serial - issue -analytic (article) |
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cait |
it would have to be serial - analytic |
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karra |
uuh, ok, i think i see. |
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jcamins |
cait: one should never create individual bibs for each issue. |
19:34 |
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cait |
or you could use the notes maybe, but formatting would get a bit messy |
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* jcamins |
would use analytics. |
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cait |
jcamins: makes sense to me |
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karra |
or i should catalouge my valuables... :) |
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karra |
I mean remarkable issues separately, |
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jcamins |
karra: no, that's not such a good idea. |
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pikin |
can i install koha on my corei3 window 7 pc? |
19:37 |
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jcamins |
pikin: only by installing Linux in a virtual machine. |
19:37 |
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pikin |
how |
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karra |
thanks jcamins yeaa, i know, im just helping myself. bc items do not.. |
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jcamins |
I have terrible lag. |
19:38 |
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jcamins |
Typing is very slow. |
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pikin |
sori |
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jcamins |
karra: if the issues do not have separate titles, you will just end up with a lot of records for the same thing. |
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jcamins |
If they have separate titles, treat them as a monographic series, and give each issue a record. |
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jcamins |
pikin: I can't explain setting up Koha on a VM for you. It's somewhat complicated, and the work I'm getting paid for comes first. |
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pikin |
k i understand tnx. |
19:40 |
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mbalmer |
get vmware workstation, install debian squeeze, follow the instructions on the koha-community wiki. |
19:40 |
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mbalmer |
invest an afternoon, I'd say. and you, pikin, get an Koha up and running |
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karra |
The real life here is that I have a copy of a cartoon serial w dialect special issue. Just one. And I can not catalogue it as a serial issue for patrons to find. |
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jcamins |
karra: ohhh. Special issues. |
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pikin |
tnx man |
19:41 |
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* jcamins |
thought you meant "regular issue that you consider special." |
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karra |
Golden!:) |
19:41 |
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wajasu |
jcamins: is karra trying to categorize valuables issues for circulation purposes? what about a koha item_type? |
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rangi |
I think that is a new record, kids fed, dressed, lunches made and on the bus in 46 minutes |
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jcamins |
karra: in this case, you can do an *issue* analytic and add 773/775s. |
19:43 |
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cait |
rangi: yay :) |
19:43 |
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wajasu |
sweet |
19:43 |
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karra |
jcamins: Oookei, thanks, Ill ask by tech buddy what that means. :) )) |
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jcamins |
karra: it's a librarian thing. |
19:44 |
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jcamins |
It's going to make less sense to a tech. ;) |
19:44 |
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jcamins |
You use NORMARC/MARC21, yes? |
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karra |
marc21 |
19:44 |
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jcamins |
Good. |
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rangi |
Where is karra from? |
19:44 |
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jcamins |
NORMARC is crazy. |
19:44 |
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karra |
scares me to chance issue item type to book |
19:44 |
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karra |
Finnboy |
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karra |
Finland. |
19:45 |
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mbalmer |
MARC is fun, actually…. |
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drojf |
jcamins: is NORMARC very different from MARC21? |
19:45 |
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jcamins |
drojf: no. |
19:45 |
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jcamins |
Almost the same. |
19:45 |
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mbalmer |
long live ISO 2709… (not) |
19:45 |
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drojf |
i assumed it wouldn't |
19:45 |
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drojf |
okay |
19:45 |
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jcamins |
Having it at all is crazy. |
19:45 |
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karra |
(but why marc, for how long) :) |
19:45 |
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drojf |
ah. yes |
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jcamins |
karra: you receive the special issue as usual. |
19:45 |
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jcamins |
To record it received. |
19:46 |
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jcamins |
Then, you create a new record for your special issue. |
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karra |
ok. |
19:46 |
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mveron |
Good night #koha |
19:46 |
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jcamins |
Give it a 773 referring to the serial record. |
19:46 |
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jcamins |
Then add a 775 to the serial record, pointing at the new issue record. |
19:46 |
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jcamins |
Basically what you suggested originally, but I objected to because I didn't realize you meant special issue (and not "issue that is special"). |
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karra |
Okei. .. hrm, actually I thought i meant issue that is special. |
19:47 |
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karra |
:) but im fine here, perfect! to have you with this.. |
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jcamins |
A dialect issue is a "special issue." An issue which happens to have an article by your favorite author is an issue that is special. ;) |
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karra |
jcamins, thanks, good stuff, but I doubt I lone public librarian shall take on your advice. |
19:49 |
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karra |
actuqally the issue has a dialect appendix.. :)) bound.. |
19:49 |
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mbalmer |
amazing how many museums also have libraries of a kind... |
19:49 |
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jcamins |
karra: it's easy. :) |
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mbalmer |
slowly time to pull out, switzerland is dark... |
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jcamins |
mbalmer: probably most museums. |
19:51 |
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cait |
night mbalmer |
19:51 |
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jenkins_koha |
Project Koha_master build #817: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/817/ |
19:52 |
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mbalmer |
jcamins, yes, it interesting, since I am doing museum stuff, and this might open doors... |
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karra |
But this is academic question now, since my public library has Donald Duck cartoon extra leaflet moded in local finnish dialects- And I am happy to use IRC for the first time in my life. Thanks for your time. |
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karra |
We have one Koha museum in Finland, btw, |
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mbalmer |
I hope to get some jump on the train in .ch…. |
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rangi |
My stop bbiab |
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drojf |
mbalmer: will you be doing a general koha talk in konstanz? |
20:06 |
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mbalmer |
yes, I hope so. |
20:06 |
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drojf |
nice |
20:07 |
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mbalmer |
it will have nothing to do with my other involvement in switzerland, I plan to even mention BSZ as a "Koha company" |
20:07 |
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mbalmer |
(gives potential users a better feeling when they know there are several "companies" that can help them, and that will help koha to gain "market share"; I hope) |
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drojf |
mbalmer: yes, it seems not that many libraries are as adventurous as we are and just want to do it all themselves ;) |
20:09 |
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mbalmer |
but then your library can be happy to have someone like you... |
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jcamins |
drojf: thank goodness! :P |
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* mbalmer |
pulls out. gn8 |
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drojf |
good night mbalmer |
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libsysguy |
anybody have any experience with t-prefixed barcodes |
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libsysguy |
I am writing the unit tests for C4::Circulation |
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libsysguy |
and I have no idea what is happening for the t-prefix filter |
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rangi |
back |
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wizzyrea |
wb |
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gmcharlt |
IE-- |
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gmcharlt |
IE-- |
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gmcharlt |
IE-- |
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trea |
^^ |
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jcamins |
IE-- # it cannot be said enough |
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libsysguy |
codebase-- |
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libsysguy |
codebase-- |
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libsysguy |
documentation++ |
20:27 |
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libsysguy |
unit-tests++ |
20:27 |
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libsysguy |
that is all |
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cait |
IE-- |
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cait |
ie-- |
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drojf |
is that still a thing? |
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drojf |
@karma IE |
20:30 |
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huginn |
drojf: Karma for "IE" has been increased 0 times and decreased 50 times for a total karma of -50. |
20:30 |
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drojf |
lol |
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libsysguy |
@karma ie |
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huginn |
libsysguy: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 50 times for a total karma of -50. |
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libsysguy |
i guess case doesn't matter |
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drojf |
in that case it doesn't |
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libsysguy |
@karma libsysguy |
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huginn |
libsysguy: Karma for "libsysguy" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28. |
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libsysguy |
@quote random |
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huginn |
libsysguy: Quote #28: "<owen> I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around all day remembering *everything* I say." (added by jdavidb at 01:14 PM, September 01, 2009) |
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libsysguy |
wow that one is old |
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trea |
@quote 1 |
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huginn |
trea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
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jcamins |
@quote get 1 |
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huginn |
jcamins: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009) |
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trea |
heh |
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cait |
@quote random |
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huginn |
cait: Quote #204: "jcamins: It makes me feel like MARC has failed me." (added by chris_n at 05:37 PM, May 11, 2012) |
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cait |
good night #koha |
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trea |
night cait |
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kathryn |
hi/bye cait :) |
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cait |
have a nice day kathryn :) |
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kathryn |
thanks! |
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jcamins |
You know what LibreOffice needs? |
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jcamins |
vi keybindings |
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gmcharlt |
jcamins++ |
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halcyonCorsair |
rangi: jcamins: first cut: (node.json for chef solo) https://gist.github.com/3644826, and cookbook for chef https://github.com/halcyonCorsair/chef-koha to work with this vagrant (vagrantup.com) box http://files.vagrantup.com/precise64.box |
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halcyonCorsair |
now... I'm going riding |
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halcyonCorsair |
takes you all the way up to where you can run the web installer |
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rangi |
well done! |
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jcamins |
Cool! |
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rangi |
enjoy the ride, watch out for stopped cars :P |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 06:36 PM, July 06, 2009) |
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* wizzyrea |
giggles |
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wizzyrea |
i forgot about that one |
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jcamins |
Ooh... I've had almost as many lines on #koha as wizzyrea. |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
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wizzyrea |
I haven't been very talkative lately |
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jcamins |
Significantly more words. |
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rangi |
rerunning stats now |
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wizzyrea |
@quote random |
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huginn |
wizzyrea: Quote #149: "mtj: DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!!" (added by druthb at 01:15 AM, August 26, 2011) |
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wizzyrea |
ooo, on my birthday! |
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wizzyrea |
snizzle! |
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rangi |
heh |
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rangi |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ |
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wizzyrea |
lol best quote ever. |
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wizzyrea |
kf's quote is pretty priceless too |
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* wizzyrea |
is going to have to work harder to catch kados. |
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rangi |
:) |
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rangi |
well its a static target |
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wizzyrea |
I'LL GET YOU! JUST YOU WAIT. |
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rangi |
thousands of people all over the world echo that sentiment |
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wizzyrea |
wow it's taken 1281 days for people to overtake him. |
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wizzyrea |
i mean, probably less. |
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wizzyrea |
but still. |
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wizzyrea |
he was on top for a while. |
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rangi |
not of me |
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wizzyrea |
ew |
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* wizzyrea |
does not want to imagine that |
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rangi |
kf needs to pass him on 0-5 |
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wizzyrea |
it would be hard for anybody to top you in IRC words though |
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rangi |
yeah i talk some crap |
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* ibeardslee |
nods |
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wizzyrea |
lol |
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* wizzyrea |
now considers every word typed a step towards the ultimate goal of topping kados in #koha IRC words. |
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wizzyrea |
I may have to be more verbose. |
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rangi |
dangit |
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rangi |
i got caught in the failing tests one |
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rangi |
http://jenkins.koha-community.org/cigame/? |
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rangi |
dropped me down |
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rangi |
not as bad as pauls 2nd user tho |
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rangi |
-16 |
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jcamins |
What have I done? |
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jcamins |
rangi: are you sure about that patch? It doesn't touch XISBN. |
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jcamins |
Also, both pass on my system. |
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jcamins |
Wait, I already applied all the patches. |
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jcamins |
Right, patch fixes Items problem. |
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rangi |
yes, it does :) |
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idreambooks |
hey guys, i have a question about contributing to koha ils |
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idreambooks |
if a developer wants to make changes to the source code, what is the process? |
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jcamins |
idreambooks: first, you install Koha. |
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jcamins |
idreambooks: then, you file a bug at bugs.koha-community.org |
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jcamins |
(you do this whether it is a bug or an enhancement) |
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jcamins |
Then, you write your patch, and submit it by sending it to the patches mailing list and attaching it to the bug. |
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jcamins |
At that point, someone else has to test it and "sign off" that it works. |
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jcamins |
Then it goes through QA. |
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jcamins |
Then it gets pushed into Koha. |
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rangi |
have you used git before? |
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jcamins |
And you get added to the history file. |
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jcamins |
git? |
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wahanui |
git is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Control_Using_Git |
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jcamins |
^^ you should read that either way |
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rangi |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
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jcamins |
And that. |
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jcamins |
coding guidelines? |
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wahanui |
coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
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jcamins |
Cool, wahanui knew that one. |
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rangi |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow |
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rangi |
and that |
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idreambooks |
jcamins: thanks. i am from a site called idreambooks.com and we just released an API (idreambooks.com/api). We aggregate professional critic reviews or editorial reviews from sources like nytimes to come up with a rating of high quality. We were wondering whether we could work with you guys to get our ratings incorporated into Koho |
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idreambooks |
yes, we use github |
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jcamins |
idreambooks: oh, did Greg Lawson contact you? |
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idreambooks |
We were contacted by Liz Rea about a month ago |
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idreambooks |
I just sent her an email too |
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jcamins |
Ah, nifty. Greg was talking about your site a few weeks ago. |
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rangi |
the first thing would be definitely filing an enhancement request at bugs.koha-community.org |
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idreambooks |
cool...yeah we'd love to work with you guys |
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jcamins |
Yes, definitely necessary to file the bug. |
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jcamins |
Ooh, you have more reviews now. |
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idreambooks |
yes we are adding more every day |
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idreambooks |
we want to be the go to place for book reviews like rottentomatoes is for movies |
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jcamins |
It's a very cool-looking site. :) |
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idreambooks |
ok...so i'll follow the steps you outlined: install koha, file a bug, write a patch and so on |
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idreambooks |
thanks! |
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idreambooks |
what is the difference between koha-community and liblime? |
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jcamins |
File the bug first. |
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jcamins |
koha-community.org is the website for an open source project. |
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jcamins |
LibLime is a company that forked the open source project a while ago. |
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rangi |
liblime forked from the community a while ago, they run their own project |
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rangi |
what he said :) |
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jenkins_koha |
Starting build #157 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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jcamins |
Their project is now closed source. |
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jcamins |
Well, one is, one isn't. I think. It's hard to know what exactly they're doing. |
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rangi |
or at least, sporadically, and not openly developed |
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rangi |
yeah its hard to know |
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jcamins |
Right. |
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idreambooks |
hmm...yeah their result shows up first on google and I thought I needed to get in touch with them. It was a bit confusing. Luckily found you guys through wikipedia :) |
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jcamins |
Unfortunately they own the koha.org domain. Long, unpleasant story. |
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rangi |
yeah, hopefully that google ranking will change, its improving all the time, the more people who talk about Koha (proper) and link to it etc help |
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jcamins |
You should put a sample of the API output on your API page. |
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idreambooks |
jcamins: if you click on the link in the grey box it will show you the output |
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jcamins |
Oh, so it will. I assumed that "example_key" would lead to a broken link. |
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rangi |
you know what they say about assume :) |
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jcamins |
Yes, I know. |
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idreambooks |
jcamins: hmm...maybe we should give it a separate section just to make it clear |
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jcamins |
I might be the only one who gets confused. |
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jcamins |
Then again, I might not. |
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jcamins |
If you already have Javascript that will process that, you could set up a mockup really quickly without modifying any of Koha's source code. |
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jcamins |
(it wouldn't be viable as a solution to the "let's integrate Koha and idreambooks.com" issue generally, but a screen capture of cool things you can do is never a bad idea) |
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jcamins |
There's a system preference that allows you to add arbitrary Javascript/jQuery to the OPAC, which is how I'd do the mockup. |
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idreambooks |
hmm... |
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rangi |
yeah if you had a snippet of jquery that would work with the api to insert pretty stuff into a div or span, we could do a mock up really fast |
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rangi |
http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]?biblionumber=325# |
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rangi |
see the box on the right, with the print/add to cart |
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rangi |
a really simple thing to do would be to link to a review on idreamofbooks there, if there is a way to craft a url to get to a review |
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rangi |
eg if |
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rangi |
http://idreambooks.com/newbooks/259-Yoga-Cures |
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rangi |
was accessible as |
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rangi |
http://idreambooks.com/isbn_number_goes_here |
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rangi |
oh look there is :) |
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jcamins |
Ooh, I like the readometer thing. |
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jcamins |
*that* is what you should be embedding. |
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rangi |
hmm or not, there is a way to get the xml via the isbn |
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idreambooks |
yes...http://idreambooks.com/newbook[…]3&key=example_key |
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rangi |
yep, for the xml |
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idreambooks |
that will give you the rating, 5 snippets and a bit more info |
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rangi |
but is there a way to get to the html page |
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rangi |
given just an isbn ? |
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rangi |
im think could add a link in the more searches really easy for a start |
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rangi |
and that the rest, you would want to have a tab down by the holdings for probably |
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idreambooks |
yeah html via isbn is not present right now. we can add it though |
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rangi |
cool |
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jcamins |
rangi: definitely, but you could add the tab with jquery for a mockup. |
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rangi |
yep |
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jcamins |
You know what you need? The ability to get a readometer from the XML. |
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jcamins |
I don't think I see one. |
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idreambooks |
hmm...right now there is a way to embed the readometer anywhere through the "Embed Readometer on your site" link |
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idreambooks |
http://idreambooks.com/newbooks/9-Unbroken |
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idreambooks |
if you go that page, you will see that link underneath the readometer |
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idreambooks |
it works like youtube embed url |
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jcamins |
Yeah, that's what I was looking at. |
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rangi |
yeah we'd need that as isbn |
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idreambooks |
but it might be better....yeah |
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rangi |
so we could do it dynamically ;) |
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rangi |
that would be cool |
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idreambooks |
we could send the readometer through the xml file too |
23:31 |
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idreambooks |
all the data in the readometer is being sent through xml file right now |
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rangi |
so yeah all we need is some jquery to take your xml, and parse it into some nice html |
23:32 |
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rangi |
for a proof of concept |
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rangi |
even if all we had for a start is the rating |
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idreambooks |
ok...i see what you mean |
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idreambooks |
so ill go ahead and file the bug |
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rangi |
excellent |
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rangi |
jcamins: bug 8622 do we need/want that on 3.8.x, i dont think ill be pushing the related ones moving js libs around and the new theme etc, so it probably is safest to leave it for 3.10 eh? |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha themes broken |
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jcamins |
Agreed. |
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rangi |
cool |
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rangi |
ok so i have clients wanting to shwo the itemtype from 942, instead of the one from the leader+003+006+007 on the xslt/normal view |
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rangi |
so im wondering wether to change |
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rangi |
DisplayOPACiconsXSLT |
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rangi |
or add a new one |
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rangi |
im leaning to a new one |
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rangi |
opacitemtypeimages |
23:51 |
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rangi |
use marc control fields, use koha biblio itemtype |
23:51 |
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rangi |
something like that |
23:51 |
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rangi |
sound mental? |
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* rangi |
assumes not and does it anyway |
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jcamins |
New one. |
23:55 |
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wahanui |
new one is all open? |
23:56 |
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rangi |
cool |
23:56 |
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rangi |
bug 8732 |
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huginn |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8732 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Add a systempreference to allow users to choose to display an icon based on the marc control fields, or based on the koha biblio level itemtype |