Time  Nick           Message
00:04 halcyonCorsair hmm...
00:06 halcyonCorsair cron for now i guess
00:14 BobB           kathryn about?
00:30 halcyonCorsair what is z39.50/sru?
00:37 jcamins        Two different protocols for harvesting data.
00:37 jcamins        Z39.50 is the older protocol used by libraries, SRU is the newer web service-y one.
00:47 halcyonCorsair hard coding....all the things
00:47 halcyonCorsair la, lalala
01:16 halcyonCorsair jcamins: do you use chef or vagrant at all?
01:18 jcamins        halcyonCorsair: not really. On my to-do list is putting chef into production.
01:19 rangi          Provide  a data dictionary which allows searches on symbols to be recognised as words (e.g ampersands (&) and hyphens)
01:19 rangi          do we need to do that?
01:20 rangi          they are search as words by default eh?
01:20 jcamins        rangi: huh?
01:20 jcamins        Oh.
01:21 jcamins        No, Koha doesn't do that.
01:21 rangi          from a requirements spec
01:21 rangi          ta
02:33 * chris_n      steps off of the software raid roller-coaster and tries to figure out which way is up
02:53 chobbs         Hi #koha! Any way to hide patron address info from certain staff? I need a solution between self check-out and staff check out to allow volunteers to help circulate.
02:53 chobbs         Hi #koha! Any way to hide patron address info from certain staff? I need a solution between self check-out and staff check out to allow volunteers to help circulate.
02:53 chobbs         Ah jeez, sorry for the double post :(
02:54 rangi          nope, you'd have to write that, or find someone to do that for yoou
02:55 chobbs         Figured it was a long shot :)
02:59 rangi          one of these days, when i invent a time machine, i am going to go back and find who invented RFPs and stab them with a rock
03:02 wajasu         so if i want someone to decide whether to keep smsoverdues.pl and rss.pl, or actually fix the existing tests at the nexy meeting(8th i think), how do i suggest that be put on the agenda? an email mailing list?
03:02 rangi          thats not really a meeting topic
03:03 rangi          the koha-devel mailing list is the best place for that
03:07 wajasu         rangi: the other db-dep tests that failed.  one was Serials.t and I was trying to look at related commits.  Like if a coumn was added to a schema or EAN related commits. then it might show what changed to break it.
03:07 wajasu         are you familiar with that test?
03:07 rangi          nope
03:08 wajasu         when was the last time all the db-dep test passed? a release?
03:08 rangi          they all pass on jenkins right now
03:08 rangi          for 3.8.x and 3.6.x branches
03:09 rangi          most likely you are missing data in your db for Serials.t
03:09 wajasu         well i must have a bad test setup.  maybe i need the test data from wizzyrea.
03:09 rangi          yep, all 34 tests pass currently for Serials.t on jenkins
03:10 wajasu         does jenkins load test data, then updatedatebase.pl then run em?
03:10 rangi          it just runs updatedatabase.pl it has all the test data in it already
03:12 wajasu         so i should be able to pull master fresh, do dev install, run webinstaller with all data options selected, then run prove t/db_dependent without loading test data?
03:13 wajasu         jaca and wizzyrea were saying otherwise yesterday.  Reserve.t would fail, because there wasn't a biblio inthe db, etc.
03:19 rangi          try it and see, you probably need to create at least one biblio and one item
03:19 wajasu         http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/810/console        cearch for   Serials.t
03:20 wajasu         i did create a biblio and it worked.  but you must have loaded one before the jenkins test run.
03:21 rangi          you answered your own question then
03:23 wajasu         so i just wonder if you had a test data load that is in git master that is run on a db install, or are you just running the updatedabase  before each test run on the same database?
03:23 rangi          the latter
03:23 rangi          15:08 <@rangi> it just runs updatedatabase.pl it has all the test data in it already
03:24 wajasu         oh. thx for your patience :)
03:24 rangi          no worries, i have less of it today than usual
03:25 rangi          as im having to answer 107 pages of questions in an RFP
04:38 Oak            Ahoy me hearties :)
04:38 Oak            magnuse
04:38 Oak            cait o/
04:39 cait           hi Oak :)
04:39 Oak            how long before the meeting starts?
04:39 Oak            in hour
04:39 Oak            s
04:40 cait           hm
04:40 cait           not sure
04:40 cait           many
04:40 Oak            okay cool
04:40 cait           I am not good with time zones
04:41 Oak            me also
04:41 Oak            'not good' would be an understatement fo me though
04:58 Oak            i meant you may be not good, but i'm worse... for example i just googled what utc means.
04:59 Oak            this looks fun: http://nicolargo.github.com/glances/
05:29 Oak            Ahoy mtompset
05:29 mtompset       Greetings, #koha -- Oak :)
05:29 Oak            :)
05:30 mtompset       Do you have have reverse proxy setup experience with redis and/or node.js?
05:30 mtompset       have have -> have any
05:30 Oak            nope
05:39 magnuse        Oak
05:39 Oak            \o/
05:39 Oak            present
05:39 magnuse        :-)
05:40 magnuse        Oak: te meeting is in 12 hours and ~20 minutes, as far as i can tell
05:41 Oak            ah... roger that.
05:41 Oak            ten four
05:55 halcyonCorsair hmm, the install doesn't seem to be obeying the WEBSERVER_IP variable...thoughts?
05:59 mtompset       WEBSERVER_IP variable?
05:59 mtompset       What file is that in?
06:00 mtompset       What file is that in, halcyonCorsair?
06:01 halcyonCorsair mtompset: gets used by koha-http.conf
06:01 halcyonCorsair umm, rewrite-something.PL
06:01 mtompset       Are you doing a tarball or a git install?
06:02 halcyonCorsair git install
06:02 mtompset       What do you mean doesn't seem to be obeying?
06:03 mtompset       you've run the perl Makefile.PL
06:03 mtompset       you've run the make
06:03 mtompset       have you run the make test?
06:03 mtompset       have you run the make install?
06:04 mtompset       Because once you have the install... that's when the variable should be changed to the value you are expecting.
06:05 mtompset       You don't need to edit any files between these four steps (perl Makefile.PL, make, make test, make install)
06:06 halcyonCorsair mtompset: i'm talking about setting the environment variable
06:07 mtompset       I know, but I'm trying to understand why you are looking at that variable.
06:08 mtompset       And why do you expect Koha to know about it?
06:08 halcyonCorsair i expect one of those four steps to use that variable to create the http config correctly
06:08 mtompset       I was convering the case that you were referring to something else.
06:08 halcyonCorsair mtompset: ^
06:09 mtompset       Uh, no.
06:09 mtompset       I do not believe it does.
06:10 mtompset       During a tarball, git install, you end up editing the apache config file that is generated.
06:14 halcyonCorsair no, rewrite-config.PL definitely uses it
06:21 koyauni        hi guys, how can one create additional normal Admin, I want my system to have one Super Admin and many normal Admin with limited permissions
06:28 magnuse        koyauni: PAtrons > New patron > Staff
06:29 magnuse        koyauni: then, when you have added a user, you click More > Set permissions
06:29 magnuse        then you can choose what each user is allowed to do
06:32 cait           halcyonCorsair: maybe you are looking at the wrong file?
06:32 cait           halcyonCorsair: did you do a git dev or standard install? if you did adev, there is a generated file in koha-dev directory, so outside of the git controlled part
06:34 halcyonCorsair mmm, no...i *think* the issue is that the environment isn't correct when make, etc are getting run
06:43 reiveune       hello
06:43 wahanui        hey, reiveune
06:46 koyauni        Thanks I found an old help page saying the same thing, thank you anyway,
06:48 cait           bbl
06:50 koyauni        http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2008-January/012973.html
06:53 francharb      hello #koha
07:02 matts          hi !
07:19 gaetan_B       hello
07:19 kf             hi gaetan_B
07:20 kf             good morning #koha
07:21 Dan_T          whois Dan_T
07:22 Dan_T          oh right... I am
07:22 kf             identity crisis? :)
07:34 kf             good morning paul_p and hdl
07:35 magnuse        wow, i didnt even know rewrite -config.PL existed, or that it uses environmnt variables
08:06 drojf          good morning #koha
08:10 kf             morning drojf
08:11 drojf          moin kf
08:12 rangi          evening all
08:13 kf             evening rangi
08:33 slef           magnuse: we needed it to have some way to override the autodetection and that seemed easiest because we already do it with PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF
08:33 magnuse        ok on a scale from 1 to 11, how crazy does this sound: using a TT template to format marc records for display in the digital signs, and storing that template as a syspref, for easy tweaking
08:34 magnuse        slef: cool, i just didn't know it was possible to influence those settings with env vars :-)
08:35 slef           ooh a library just pulled up at the bottom of my drive
08:35 * slef         goes to look
08:35 * slef         demolishes a radio on the way out
08:37 magnuse        a *library* just pulled up?!?
08:42 kf             magnuse: not so crazy :) make it a plugin :)
08:43 magnuse        plugin?
08:43 kf             ok, don't listen to me
08:44 kf             but I am sure there is some nice way to do it with TT
08:44 kf             I am still trying to understand what all the parts are for
08:46 magnuse        yeah, tt is quite a big system, probably with lots of hidden goodies
08:47 slef           magnuse: yes, we still have library vans over here apparently. I did not know that.
08:47 * slef         puts it on his calendar
08:49 magnuse        like a mobile library, where you can borrow books, right?
09:00 magnuse        we have those too, and a book boat to boot http://www.bokbaten.no/index.php?action=static&id=17
09:05 drojf          the book boat is cool <3
09:07 kf             morning robin
09:07 eythian        hello kf
09:09 kf             office in the same place as yesterday?
09:09 eythian        yep
09:09 eythian        it's a little cooler today though
09:10 kf             @wunder Konstanz
09:10 huginn         kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 19.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on September 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising).
09:10 kf             still no sun here
09:13 * kf           blames eythian
09:13 eythian        I have sun, but 18°. It'll warm up soon enough though.
09:15 drojf          a little older but i have not seen that before. sounds "great". http://thenextweb.com/media/2012/07/31/data-driven-publishing-how-hiptype-hopes-to-be-the-google-analytics-for-ebooks/
09:16 drojf          hi eythian
09:16 eythian        good morning drojf
09:17 eythian        drojf: the line graphs should be histograms!
09:17 slef           magnuse: the river is too far away, about half a mile ;)
09:19 magnuse        slef: too bad :-)
09:42 Barrc          Morning all - would anyone know if it is possible to use KeyAttr with MARC::File::XML as it is with XML::Simple? I have been tasked with extracting/changing some tags in the MarcXML field in bibioitems and wondering how best to go about it?
09:42 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8478 - Update Ubuntu related files Updated installation instructions, cleaned... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=01309211e9563b48dcd2944d90d277493bd912dd> / Bug 6886 Follow up for NORMARC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d9f131736769cc1b21988f422c4e3a2194b2973> / Bug 6886 - Follow up for UNIMARC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdi
09:45 eythian        Barrc: I don't think so, at least, I've not heard of it.
09:46 eythian        I tend to parse things into a MARC::Record and manipulate them with that.
09:46 * eythian      still needs to experiment with MARC::MIR
09:47 Barrc          eythian: Thanks - I am open to options, so I might give that a look!
09:48 kf             maybe exporting, using some tool to clean up and reimporting is also an option
09:55 jenkins_koha   Starting build #812 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 2 days ago)
10:04 Dan_T          does any one know if there is a way to disable a specific patron messaging preference for all patrons?
10:10 jenkins_koha   Starting build #155 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
10:11 Dan_T          would modifying the patron categories default preferences apply that to existing records?
10:12 rangi          no
10:12 rangi          thats only the default for creating new patrons
10:12 Dan_T          that's what I thought. Thanks
10:13 slef           you could probably write a script using the C4 API to change existing ones... not the simplest though
10:16 kf             slef: I think there is one in misc somewhere
10:16 kf             never used it so far
10:21 Dan_T          I was thinking that I might be able to touch those fields with a patron import but I don't see a spot for it
10:22 Dan_T          I'll look into that thanks slef
10:24 kf             Dan_T: the iformation is scatteres in 4 tables
10:24 kf             scattered
10:24 kf             can't be changed by patron import
10:24 kf             but look for a script in misc
10:25 Dan_T          yea I'm on the page now
10:25 Dan_T          I think.. http://perldoc.koha-community.org/
10:25 kf             http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/maintenance/borrowers-force-messaging-defaults;h=ff35e086c93a03bec8b421847967d77026437bdf;hb=01309211e9563b48dcd2944d90d277493bd912dd
10:26 Dan_T          ah outstanding, thank you
10:26 kf             Dan_T: that will give you the perldoc for everything in C4 - I meant a script to enforce the defaults you set :) I haven't used it, but it's maybe worth a try on a test installation
11:52 jcamins        paul_p: could you please push your master branch to git.k-c.org?
11:52 jcamins        I'm trying to resolve the conflict on 8597.
11:52 paul_p         hi jcamins. done (it was only 3 patches late)
11:53 jcamins        Thanks.
11:54 kf             morning jcamins
11:56 jcamins        Morning.
11:56 wahanui        well, morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast.
11:57 mbalmer        screenshot of a touchscreen point of sale terminal after scanning a Koha patron card: http://www.arcapos.com/cde/kohalink.png
11:58 mbalmer        (in german localization)
11:59 jcamins        kf: is the webinstaller translated into German?
12:00 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #812: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/812/
12:00 jenkins_koha   * julian.maurice: Bug 8666: Hide 'New basket' link if supplier is inactive
12:00 jenkins_koha   * nengard: update 'onloan' in items and deleteditems
12:00 jenkins_koha   * colin.campbell: Bug 8675 Add hours and mins to renewal due date
12:00 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 2553 [Serials report] alphabetize dropdown menus
12:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8666 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , Prevent to create baskets for inactive suppliers
12:00 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 8549 - DataTables upgrade broke display of next/previous buttons in table controls
12:00 jenkins_koha   * robin: Bug 8594 - prevent the report system from breaking some subqueries
12:00 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 - OPAC XSLT respecting single branch mode
12:00 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 - Follow up for UNIMARC
12:00 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 Follow up for NORMARC
12:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8675 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Renewing item to specified date creates a due date with HH:MM set to 00:00
12:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2553 minor, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , alphabetize dropdown menus
12:00 jenkins_koha   * mtompset: Bug 8478 - Update Ubuntu related files Updated installation instructions, cleaned up ubuntu-pkg-check.sh, renamed ubuntu*.packages files more consistently, updated files to include missing libraries, corrected incorrect libraries (yaz3->yaz4, mysqlclient v16 to v18, dropped the dev version of the client).
12:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8549 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , DataTables upgrade broke display of next/previous buttons in table controls
12:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8594 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , A report containing a subquery that has a 'limit' will have that limit stripped out
12:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6886 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Single branch mode should disable showing the branch name in front of all callnumbers
12:00 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8478 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Update Ubuntu related files
12:00 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8623: Move YUI out of prog <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e8bd6b9a6f4e13eedfca5faa1ac0d49098bfed0> / Bug 8623: Do not accept "lib" as a valid theme <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=765bbe1dad0bcd8318f023cbe6f979fc7dd4ccc8> / Bug 8622: Fix theme fallback <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=33113e69c0eb2faccceb917ce19e26225259d
12:01 jenkins_koha   Starting build #813 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 2 days ago)
12:05 jcamins        paul_p: I rebased the last two patches on bug 8597.
12:05 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Patch doesn't apply , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view
12:09 kf             jcamins: yes, why?
12:09 paul_p         jcamins OK, will check later
12:10 jcamins        kf: I got an error when it automatically went to the installer.
12:10 kf             hm
12:10 kf             that's not good
12:10 kf             and we have seen that at the workhop
12:10 kf             did you click back or something like that?
12:10 kf             or just forward and choosing de at at the beginning?
12:11 jcamins        It was the automatic updatedatabase run.
12:11 kf             hm
12:11 * paul_p       testing bug 7621 ... will I push it today ?
12:11 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Passed QA , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
12:11 kf             confusing
12:11 kf             shouldn't have anything to do with the installer I think
12:12 jcamins        updatedatabase uses the installer templates rather than regular templates.
12:12 kf             hm yes
12:12 kf             which version of koha?
12:12 wahanui        which version of koha are you using?
12:13 jcamins        master.
12:14 kf             hm
12:15 jcamins        I think I probably installed the translation wrong.
12:15 jcamins        I get the error: Koha directories hierarchy for de-DE must be created first
12:17 kf             ah yeah
12:17 kf             I have seen that
12:17 kf             I amnot sure why it happens sometimes :(
12:17 kf             oh right
12:17 kf             german does not work in mater
12:17 * magnuse      has seen that too
12:17 kf             there is a fatal error in the po file
12:17 jcamins        Ohhh.
12:18 kf             because I missed the date before release and the error
12:18 kf             you have to get a file from pootle or run update on it
12:18 kf             or fix the probem :(
12:18 jcamins        I will use French.
12:18 kf             fatal means the translation process dies and not all files get translated
12:18 kf             :(
12:22 jcamins        French works.
12:24 jcamins        Well, installing the language works.
12:24 jcamins        Yeah, the problem was the translator crash.
12:27 kf             *sighs*
12:28 kf             one more thing to look forward to on the next release
12:29 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #155: SUCCESS in 2 hr 18 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/155/
12:29 jenkins_koha   julian.maurice: Bug 8666: Hide 'New basket' link if supplier is inactive
12:29 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8666 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , Prevent to create baskets for inactive suppliers
12:29 jenkins_koha   Starting build #156 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
12:34 paul_p         mveron will be happy, i'm about to push bug 7621 ;-)
12:34 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Passed QA , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
12:34 kf             yay :)
12:34 kf             paul_p++ mveron++
12:39 paul_p         is it me or git is slooowww ?
12:40 mbalmer        paul_p, thanks for 7621, it is really important over here in switzerland and I guess you just made mveron a very happy man ;)
12:40 * kf           guesses so too :)
12:40 paul_p         (one of our customer just asked for this feature 2 weeks ago, and he will be happy to ;-) )
12:41 kf             happy koha people everywhere :)
12:44 mbalmer        even our infokiosk systems and payment stations begin to be friends with Koha ….
12:50 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8293' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccb4517b1c05a036886df4b3cde20ac1dbef1bc4> / Bug 8293 : Fixing POD to match actuality. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5ca865b542e1123fd18ac2564515c0676689845> / Bug 7621 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=078c898e721bc631e32
12:52 BobB           @seen druthb
12:52 huginn         BobB: druthb was last seen in #koha 5 days, 20 hours, 6 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: * druthb waves from eastern Kansas
12:53 Joubu          Hello #koha
12:54 oleonard       Hi Joubu
12:54 * jcamins_away waves to oleonard and Joubu.
12:55 Oak            think of the...
12:55 kf             hi Joubu
12:55 kf             hi Oak :)
12:55 Oak            awesomeness, and awesome is here
12:56 druthb         BobB:  you were looking for me?
12:56 Oak            hello Miss katrin
12:56 druthb         Hi, Oak and kf! :)
12:56 kf             hi druthb :)
12:56 BobB           hi ruth!
12:56 druthb         :D
12:56 Oak            hello aweosme Ruth :)
12:56 * kf           thinks druthb has her spies everywhere
12:57 druthb         :)
12:57 jcamins_away   Meeting in five hours.
12:57 kf             thx jcamins_away
12:57 eythian        how (if at all) do we handle covers from multiple sources?
12:57 oleonard       khall++ # for the progress on patron self-registration
12:57 eythian        I can't see anything obvious in the JS that causes only the first hit to show
12:57 oleonard       That's correct eythian
12:57 kf             eythian: currently not really I think, but there are bugs and maybe patches for it in bugzilla
12:58 jcamins_away   eythian: we show all of them.
12:58 eythian        Hmm
12:58 eythian        right
12:58 khall          oleonard: thanks! I'll have a new patch ready in moments, just adding some POD
12:58 jcamins_away   magnuse, tcohen, and kmkale are all working on the problem.
12:58 jcamins_away   Though, kmkale hasn't been doing anything with Koha in the last six months.
12:58 oleonard       eythian: Do you observe something different?
12:58 Oak            jcamins_away, does not that result in multiple images appearing for a single item? if there are multiple sources available...
12:58 jcamins_away   Oak: yes, of course.
12:59 jcamins_away   That's why it's a problem. ;)
12:59 eythian        we have another cover source to add, and would need to make them behave so that only one shows
12:59 Oak            that's bad
12:59 Oak            ah yes
12:59 Oak            got it
12:59 jcamins_away   And not just a happy little accident.
12:59 eythian        I thought I had seen it behave differently
12:59 eythian        But I may be wrong
12:59 magnuse        yeah, currently you get multiple covers if you turn on multiple sources and more then one gives a hit
13:00 Oak            i wish there could be a way to check if result of one source is True, then a all other sources ignored.
13:00 oleonard       eythian: Not unless you saw an unintended behavior
13:00 magnuse        i am thinking of solving it server-side - have a script that accepts a biblionumber and that returns/redirects to the first image found. with caching
13:00 oleonard       I imagine that an AJAX script could roll through each source and stop on first success
13:01 Oak            or if two sources have the images, then the one with bigger dimensions gets chosen automatically :)
13:01 jcamins_away   magnuse: the problem with that is Amazon. :(
13:01 kf             *sigh*
13:01 oleonard       magnuse: Caching results violates Amazon's terms of service I think
13:01 kf             I know I had a checklist for opac features somewhere...
13:01 magnuse        Oak: yeah, that is an interesting twist on it
13:01 oleonard       Maybe Google's too
13:01 eythian        oleonard: you can cache the success of the request
13:01 magnuse        aren't we throwing out amazon?
13:01 * kf           blames eythian (habit)
13:01 kf             nah, not really... *continues search*
13:01 magnuse        eythian: yeah, that might be what i was thinking
13:02 oleonard       magnuse: We haven't thrown out Amazon covers yet because they don't require the API
13:02 magnuse        ah yes
13:02 jcamins_away   magnuse: not yes.
13:02 magnuse        cache the others and check amazon last, then
13:02 magnuse        kf: search for what?
13:02 kf             for my missing document :)
13:03 jcamins_away   magnuse: ooh, that makes sense.
13:03 jcamins_away   search for something?
13:03 magnuse        bug 7187
13:03 oleonard       You guys, you're making wahanui pass out
13:03 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kmkale, NEW , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next
13:05 eythian        hmm, wahanui needs some reconnection logic, he gets banned for reconnecting too fast.
13:05 jcamins_away   Is there anything I need to say about 3.6.x beyond what I already said?
13:05 jcamins_away   eythian: if he didn't whenever anyone said "change" or "search," that'd help. :P
13:05 eythian        yes, that too :)
13:05 jcamins_away   On schedule, new sacrificial lamb found...
13:06 Oak            let's have a bar-b-q
13:06 eythian        huh, he also has a 60MB log of the channel
13:06 magnuse        yeah, sacrificial lamb is yummy!
13:06 magnuse        with lots of garlic and rosemary!
13:07 Oak            :)
13:10 mveron         Hi #koha
13:11 drojf          hi mveron
13:11 mveron         ...and many thanks to paul_p for pushing my age restriction :-)
13:12 mveron         hi drojf
13:13 mveron         @wunder Basel
13:13 drojf          don't want to spam the channel with off topic links again, but rap news 15 is awesome!
13:13 huginn         mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 24.0°C (3:00 PM CEST on September 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady).
13:14 drojf          kf: thanks for the link. so how do we get koha in there? :)
13:15 mveron         Hi kf
13:16 kf             drojf: not sure yet
13:17 kf             drojf: you coudl do something about your special use of koha and how it helps the users? maybe?
13:19 kf             btw I found it :) (totally off topic... I know)
13:19 drojf          kf: i will have a look at what they did in earlier conferences to get an idea maybe
13:19 kf             I did a presentation on Koha when the conf was in Zürich
13:20 kf             I think 2 years ago?
13:20 kf             not sure we matched the cfp back then :)
13:20 drojf          heh
13:22 nengard        I got this question and I think the answer is yes ? but I don't know what the limit is "is there a limit to the overall size of a MARC record within Koha?"
13:24 eythian        nengard: 99,999 characters
13:24 eythian        that's a limit to the ISO MARC format
13:24 nengard        thank you!
13:25 drojf          kf: it would be nice if that conference was half a year later. when we are live and can actually think about doing internetty things to our library
13:26 eythian        nengard: as an aside, that value exposes one of the multitude of things wrong with the MARC format :)
13:27 nengard        you'll get no argument from me there!!
13:27 nengard        :)
13:27 nengard        i saw an email on the list artives that says 9999 ? do you have a typo or was that a typo?
13:27 nengard        archives
13:27 druthb         That was the typo.  It's 100,000 minus 1.
13:27 eythian        I think it's bigger than 10k
13:28 eythian        yeah
13:28 eythian        5 character field for the size
13:29 eythian        wholly chao, it costs CHF58,00 to buy the ISO2709:2008 spec.
13:29 eythian        also ha ha 2008, 1965 more like
13:33 mbalmer        hallo mveron!
13:33 mveron         hallo mbalmer...
13:36 kf             eythian: why do you want to pay in CHF?
13:36 drojf          kf: found your talk. "koha in action" :D
13:36 * kf           hides
13:36 eythian        kf: I don't
13:36 eythian        It's just what it offered
13:36 kf             Interesting
13:36 wahanui        i think Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
13:36 eythian        I think that the ISO is based  in .ch
13:41 magnuse        the price is yet another reason to get rid of the marc formats...
13:41 eythian        hmm, searching for something with '&' in it doesn't work well at all.
13:42 nengard        i think there is a bug for that already
13:43 magnuse        is C4::Biblio::GetMarcISBN really the best way to get ISBNs out of records in Koha? it seems to be returning things like "91-0-010573-2 9100105732 (inb.)"
13:44 druthb         If you're looking for just the ISBN, what I usually do, magnuse, is GetMarcBiblio, then grab the 020$a, and pump it into Business::ISBN, so I can do useful things with it.
13:44 gmcharlt       indeed
13:44 gmcharlt       good morning
13:44 druthb         hi, gmcharlt.
13:44 druthb         :)
13:45 gmcharlt       hi druthb
13:47 magnuse        hm, there is GetNormalizedISBN too, which lives in C4/Koha of all places...
13:47 druthb         magnuse:  For the data mashing I do, I treat the marc as the official, authoritative source, and utterly ignore all the database fields that (are supposed to) duplicate those, or any subroutine in Koha that uses those.
13:48 druthb         That is not always the easiest way to do things, but my confidence in the quality of the data is much, much higher.
13:49 eythian        druthb: yeah, I do the same there
13:49 magnuse        GetNormalizedISBN get's it from the marc, unless you give it a value from biblioitems.isbn to clean up
13:50 druthb         eythian:  Your csvtomarc is freakin' brilliant; I came up with a minor mod that made it do what I wanted in one odd case--I'll turn that into a patch for you at some point, after I figure out how to describe the use case precisely.
13:50 eythian        druthb: awesome :)
13:51 eythian        druthb: most of that script is handling odd cases
13:52 druthb         Was a wierd case of turning something non-MARC-ish (a marriage record) into a MARC, just to make it searchable.  I had   BRIDE NAME, BRIDE DATE OF BIRTH, GROOM NAME, GROOM DATE OF BIRTH, and wanted to turn it into two 600 fields, with different $e, and name in $a and dates in $d.
13:54 druthb         Since the mappings are handled in the order they are given, it makes sense to me that if you're doing multiples of something--which it did know how to do--you should look at the *last* one of those created, to see whether to add a subfield or create a new field, but the script was looking at the *first*.  I fixed.
13:54 druthb         It was doing 600 $aJohn Doe$egroom$dJune 8, 1968  600 $aJane Smith   600 $ebride   600 $d July 19,1969.   Now it does what I expected.  :)
13:56 eythian        ah yes, I see
13:56 eythian        that does make sense
13:58 druthb         That one had me bedeviled for a while.  You don't organise your code the same way I do, so it took me a while to trace down where to fix that.
13:59 druthb         That's a *very large* bit of brilliance.
14:00 eythian        heh yeah, it's become quite bloated beyond its initial intentions.
14:00 eythian        it's also not really organised.
14:00 eythian        If I knew it was going to swell like that, I would have split it into modules
14:01 * druthb       is debating a refactoring of it, along with adding a few tricks of her own, based on things she's doing in her assortment of MARC mashers.
14:02 * magnuse      cheers druthb on
14:02 druthb         I haven't worked with it in concert with a running Koha; I use it in isolation--grab CSV, make MARC, and use marc: and multimarc: mappings rather than fieldname maps.
14:04 druthb         Don't want to step on eythian's toes, magnuse.  I outmass him by a bit, and that would hurt a bit.  :)
14:05 eythian        druthb: I tend to work the same way too, the first time I wrote it I used fieldnames a lot, but now almost never.
14:05 mtompset       Greetings, #koha.
14:05 eythian        refactoring would not be a bad thing at all.
14:05 mtompset       Greetings, eythian. Got the proxy settings all nicely sorted out. :)
14:05 eythian        mtompset: awesomecross
14:06 mtompset       It was the short name vs. long name.
14:06 eythian        thought as much
14:07 druthb         :)  I'll take a look at possibilities for refactoring, eythian...might be able to modularise some of that, along with some of my stuff, and finally get the migration toolkit started, instead of the disorganized cluttery mess I have on gitorious.
14:07 eythian        that's a good plan
14:08 mtompset       What is the role of "Bug Wrangler"?
14:12 oleonard       mtompset: Test patches, review bug reports, confirm bugs, correct bug details, correct assignment, anything else they can think of?
14:13 mtompset       libsysguy++ # Yes, yes writing documentation is exactly like having one's fingernails pulled off.
14:14 nengard        i disagree
14:14 nengard        i like writing documentation :)
14:15 oleonard       Thank goodness for us nengard!
14:15 magnuse        nengard++
14:15 oleonard       nengard++
14:15 nengard        :)
14:15 nengard        hehe
14:15 gmcharlt       nengard++
14:15 kf             nengard++
14:15 mtompset       nengard++
14:16 nengard        oooo boy :)
14:16 mtompset       For a developer. :)
14:16 * nengard      is blushing
14:17 kf             nengard: and i got a queston :)
14:17 nengard        okay?
14:17 kf             do we have a description of easyanalytics somewhere? :)
14:17 kf             I found the Add host item in the manual, now I am looking for the easyanalytics feature
14:18 * druthb       reaches for the Velcro.
14:18 nengard        I have a question too ? can anyone help me with this? http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2012-August/034028.html
14:18 nengard        kf yes, let me find it
14:18 nengard        http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/cataloging.html#cataloganalytics
14:18 nengard        now, I think there is a problem with the wording, it's a bit confusing
14:19 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #813: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 18 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/813/
14:19 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8622: Fix theme fallback
14:19 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8623: Do not accept "lib" as a valid theme
14:19 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8623: Move YUI out of prog
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha themes broken
14:19 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories
14:19 kf             hm I found that
14:19 kf             but that works without easyanalyticstoo
14:20 kf             aaah
14:20 kf             no
14:20 kf             I got my mistake
14:20 kf             there is something new now
14:20 kf             where you can add a child record
14:20 jenkins_koha   Starting build #814 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 2 days ago)
14:20 kf             and that is child to parent
14:21 oleonard       What frequency do folks set up their process_message_queue with?
14:21 nengard        hourly
14:21 kf             same here I think
14:21 oleonard       That could be a problem for patron self-registration
14:22 nengard        oh!
14:22 nengard        hmmmm
14:22 oleonard       People are going to expect their confirmation email right away
14:22 nengard        good point
14:22 nengard        khall would know best
14:22 khall          I had thought about that. We need some kind of "send immediately" sub
14:23 wizzyrea       don't the hold notices go immediately
14:23 eythian        15 minutes for the packages
14:23 wizzyrea       or… the checkin notices
14:23 wizzyrea       one of them goes right away
14:23 eythian        We need to use real queue systems, not cron jobs
14:23 khall          wizzyrea, thanks, I'll look at the code.
14:23 eythian        everything needs to send email the same way, but we need to improve how it gets sent.
14:23 wizzyrea       ^^ but this
14:24 wajasu         ^^ yup
14:24 eythian        also we could do smart things like having them run over a network, so you could have a zebra reindexing machine, and a mail processing machine
14:26 wajasu         generic message notification with various transports decouples(sms, email, etc)   an ESB of sorts to decouple.
14:27 * magnuse      starts to make some notes on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Covers_from_multiple_sources_RFC
14:27 khall          CHECKOUT notices use the message queue
14:27 eythian        password notifications don't, and there's something else that doesn't
14:27 eythian        maybe it was sending lists or something
14:29 rambutan       Has anyone looked at what it would take for Koha to have the hooks to services like Dwolla? http://dwolla.com http://developers.dwolla.com/dev
14:30 rambutan       Seems like I remember somebody (rangi?) mentioning it a long time ago.
14:30 eythian        rambutan: hooks to do what?
14:31 oleonard       eythian: Sending lists and sending carts
14:31 rambutan       OK, a patron has fines or a bill, so you have a button in Koha "Pay amount with Dwolla" and Koha accesses the Dwolla API to process the fine, and when completed Koha credits their account with the payment
14:31 eythian        ah yes
14:32 kf             claims is also another example I think
14:32 eythian        rambutan: oh, good idea. I haven't heard of it, doesn't mean someone hasn't put thought into it though
14:32 kf             or some of the claims, but possible it changed with the recent owrk from biblibre :)
14:32 kf             claims got redone mostly
14:32 nengard        you can't have the checkouts or checkins go immediately cause they might be digested so you need a bit of time between checkin and email sending
14:33 nengard        which someone might have said
14:35 huginn         New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6617 - Wrong first indicator value in test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea5c5bf3b4e78d51cc6e3b82f3247906b222a8fd> / Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display (intranet) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a8e71ea93f577403e77cce695a1e00ce9b99e76> / Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git
14:35 wajasu         looking t t/db_dependent/Reserves.t   AddReserve call is missing resdate and expdate in call.   I suspect that is not correct.
14:42 jcamins        wajasu: check with libsysguy, he might be working on that.
14:42 jcamins        rambutan: someone did some work on that.
14:43 jcamins        rambutan: unfortunately, I can't remember who.
14:43 wajasu         ok
14:45 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_3.8.x build #156: SUCCESS in 2 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/156/
14:45 jenkins_koha   * colin.campbell: Bug 8675 Add hours and mins to renewal due date
14:45 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 2553 [Serials report] alphabetize dropdown menus
14:45 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8675 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Renewing item to specified date creates a due date with HH:MM set to 00:00
14:45 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2553 minor, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , alphabetize dropdown menus
14:45 jcamins        wajasu: never mind, he's working on C4::Circulation.
14:46 wizzyrea       then it must be the hold notices that go straight away
14:47 kf             nengard: sorry about your report - not sure how to do that
14:47 nengard        thanks for looking
14:47 wajasu         jcamins: ok
14:47 jcamins        mbalmer: do you happen to know who was doing work on integrating Koha with online payment services? I know you're integrating it with a POS system.
14:51 mtompset       Sorry I'm going to miss the meeting today. With this cold/cough, sleep is probably the better choice.
14:51 rambutan       when rangi signs on I'll ask him about dwolla
14:51 mtompset       Have a good day (24 hour period) everyone. :)
15:02 kf             bye all :)
15:03 mbalmer        jcamins, nope, I don't know that.
15:03 jcamins        mbalmer: ah well. I was thinking you might've come across it in preparing to work on your POS interface.
15:04 mbalmer        actually it would be rather easy...
15:04 mbalmer        using saferpay, that is
15:04 eythian        oh, there's a meeting today
15:04 jcamins        3 hours.
15:05 eythian        20:00. Hmm
15:05 eythian        I should be able to make that.
15:05 kf             :)
15:05 kf             me too
15:05 kf             hope I don't forget
15:06 mbalmer        jcamins, I can be hired to integrate Koha with saferpay (done it before)
15:06 jcamins        rambutan: ^^ useful information
15:07 reiveune1      bye
15:10 rambutan       "done it before"  Ah. OK
15:11 mbalmer        well, not for Koha, obviously.
15:11 gmcharlt       still, half the battle
15:11 rambutan       Since very few patrons would have any given service though, to make it worth coding you'd probably have to find the top five services and hook them all in.
15:12 mbalmer        saferpay is a well established service and paypal could also be intregated quite easily
15:13 jcamins        It seems to me any secure service that allows one-off CC payments would cover the vast majority of uses.
15:13 mbalmer        imo, most patrons likely prefer to pay on the spot, aka in the library
15:13 jcamins        Right, vast majority of uses of an online payment system, not vast majority of fine payments.
15:14 jcamins        The situation changes in an academic institution, of course, where students might want to use their student account card to pay fines.
15:15 Oak            logs?
15:15 wahanui        logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
15:18 Oak            may I ask something stupid?
15:19 wizzyrea       @quote search ask
15:19 huginn         wizzyrea: 9 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one...", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are...", #197: "<chris_n> half-baked things are asking for trouble", #45: (1 more message)
15:19 jcamins        Of course.
15:20 wizzyrea       @quote get 145
15:20 huginn         wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011)
15:20 wizzyrea       :)
15:20 Oak            :)
15:20 * druthb       perks.
15:20 druthb         @quote get 117
15:20 huginn         druthb: Quote #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one does not bask in the Potomac River basin...you melt or swelter or something, but you don't bask. :P" (added by jwagner at 01:17 PM, January 24, 2011)
15:20 druthb         ah, yes.
15:20 Oak            listen to the question first wizzyrea ... it's not good
15:20 * wizzyrea     refers you to quote 145 ;)
15:20 eythian        wizzyrea: shortcut:
15:20 eythian        ask?
15:20 wahanui        Don't ask to ask, just ask.
15:21 wizzyrea       eythian: <3
15:21 wizzyrea       awesome.
15:21 druthb         eythian++
15:21 gmcharlt       Oak: the anticipation is killing us! ;)
15:21 mbalmer        may I ask what Oak wanted to ask?
15:21 * druthb       waits for it...
15:21 Oak            i see the talk about these shiny new features... which are cool. but should not we be first paying attention to things like these:
15:21 eythian        wahanui: ask a stupid question is <reply>ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI
15:21 wahanui        OK, eythian.
15:21 Oak            bug 8418
15:21 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8418 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Koha::Calendar is_holiday ignores all user data
15:21 wajasu         ok. i shored up Reserves.t    i just need to know where how to supply a patch
15:21 Oak            bug 8110
15:21 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add tests for Calendar modules
15:22 Oak            bug 8253
15:22 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fine doubling
15:22 Oak            bug 8251
15:22 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin
15:22 Oak            and make koha as rock solid as we can
15:22 wizzyrea       oh that's not a dumb question.
15:22 Oak            *then* talk about the shiny stuff
15:22 druthb         Oak++
15:22 eythian        Oak: if you do that, you'll never reach the shiny stuff
15:22 Oak            oh well, i was just thinking
15:23 eythian        also, for some of us it depends on what clients want to put money into.
15:23 Oak            hmm. good point. but the silly bugs are bugging me
15:23 jcamins        Oak: in some cases *cough*search*cough* things are so bad that the only choice is starting over. :(
15:23 gmcharlt       Oak: that's the constant tension -- between the sparkly new stuff and eating our brocolli
15:23 drojf          fix these things first. and searching. *hides*
15:23 Oak            :)
15:23 jcamins        On the plus side, there's this lunatic who has decided to fix search.
15:24 wajasu         :)
15:24 druthb         Something in the water in NYC makes people crazy.
15:24 drojf          the question is whether he will be in an insane asylum before he finishes :P
15:24 drojf          but i hear they have internet there too these days…
15:24 druthb         you mean, he's not already?  He lives in Queens, after all.
15:24 jcamins        druthb: it's the radioactive sludge.
15:25 wizzyrea       mid-20's mutant ninja coder?
15:25 druthb         neenja!
15:25 * druthb       booms, in her James Earl Jones-ish voice, "The Force is strong in this one."
15:26 Oak            guys who is he??? who are we talking about?
15:26 Oak            or she
15:26 * druthb       points at jcamins.
15:27 Oak            \p/
15:27 Oak            oho
15:27 Oak            p and o are close... so
15:27 druthb         he's the crazy one with the search-fu itch to scratch.
15:27 Oak            jcamins++
15:27 * Oak          hugs jcamins
15:27 * jcamins      gets frustrated every Friday, when he does work for this one client.
15:29 rambutan       search is actually a great example of fixing problems. While (IMHO) the search issues don't seem to have been a major concern of many Koha users, it's bugged the heck out of my staff
15:29 Joubu          bye ! o/
15:31 eythian        @later tell cait http://i.imgur.com/gYQKw.jpg KAW!
15:31 huginn         eythian: The operation succeeded.
15:31 wizzyrea       ok that picture is scary.
15:31 wizzyrea       evil bird is evil!
15:32 wizzyrea       but strangely cute.
15:33 jcamins        Good grief.
15:33 rambutan       so now having found somebody to fix search, I want Koha to have hooks to Asterisk so that Koha can autodial patrons with voice announcements telling them when their holds are available for pickup
15:33 jcamins        From the LCNAF: [THIS 1XX FIELD CANNOT BE USED UNDER RDA UNTIL THIS RECORD HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND/OR UPDATED]
15:33 jcamins        What on earth is the point of a record that can't be used under the current rules?
15:33 wizzyrea       the itiva stuff is already done I thought.
15:34 eythian        wahanui: pony is <reply>$who wants a pony! Someone give them a pony.
15:34 wahanui        OK, eythian.
15:34 eythian        pony?
15:34 wahanui        eythian wants a pony! Someone give them a pony.
15:34 wizzyrea       doesn't asterisk just use csv files for that kind of stuff?
15:34 jcamins        wizzyrea: I think it broke again.
15:34 wizzyrea       pony?
15:34 wahanui        wizzyrea wants a pony! Someone give them a pony.
15:35 wizzyrea       eythian: i like that one.
15:35 rambutan       wizzyrea: I don't know, I just made that up on the fly. Sounds like a good feature though.
15:35 wizzyrea       oh it's a great feature
15:35 wizzyrea       right after we get holidays and overdues fixed.
15:36 wizzyrea       :P
15:36 wizzyrea       you know, circ.
15:38 drojf          we could make koha use asterisk to dial jcamins' number and ask how far he is with fixing koha search every time something does not work. that might bring him closer to the madhouse though
15:38 jcamins        lol
15:38 jcamins        Thanks.
15:41 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #814: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 21 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/814/
15:41 jenkins_koha   * christophe.croullebois: SIGNED-OFF] bug 8382: It is not possible to cancel an order on a filtered page in parcel.pl
15:41 jenkins_koha   * veron: BUG 7621 [ENH] Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
15:41 jenkins_koha   * Paul Poulain: Bug 7621 follow-up DBRev number
15:41 jenkins_koha   * Chris Cormack: Bug 8293 : Fixing POD to match actuality.
15:41 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8382 normal, P1 - high, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , It is not possible to cancel an order when receiving on a filtered page in parcel.pl
15:41 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories
15:41 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8293 critical, P1 - high, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Software error when clicking on first or last result of each page on OPAC
15:41 jenkins_koha   Starting build #815 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 3 days ago)
15:42 mtompset       Greetings, #koha.http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences
15:42 mtompset       http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences
15:42 eythian        magnuse: I'm attempting to rebase the i10n package work btw
15:43 mtompset       I was wondering... English idiotism? You mean idioms, right?
15:43 jcamins        No, "idiotism" is the right word. If it's not translatable, it's kind of an idiotic thing to put in an international project. :P
15:46 mtompset       So, <insert other language> idiotism is okay? ;)
15:46 jcamins        Nope.
15:47 jcamins        But non-English text isn't allowed, period.
15:47 mtompset       It doesn't expressly say that.
15:48 mtompset       It should be obvious, but it can't hurt to be explicit.
15:50 jcamins        I don't think it's a concern... no one has ever been confused.
15:50 eythian        it's all under 'en'
15:50 jcamins        An economy of language is devoutly to be wished.
15:51 magnuse        eythian++
15:52 Oak            heh :-D just read your comment drojf. we can start with the smses now... we can text him everyday with a message 'are we there yet?'. getting text messages having international codes of a dozen countries on his phone might keep him smiling.
15:52 jcamins        Hehe.
15:53 Oak            :)
15:53 jcamins        khall: that's a pretty nifty trick with slips.
15:54 khall          thanks!
16:07 mtompset       Well, I know I'll missing the meeting in about 2 hours, but I need sleep.
16:07 * mtompset     waves bye.
16:08 eythian        http://blog.sudobits.com/2012/08/18/perl-linux-a-linux-distro-for-perl-lovers/ <-- I think this should be the new Koha-recommended distro
16:19 gmcharlt       eythian++
16:22 gaetan_B       bye!
16:24 magnuse        @arewethereyet
16:24 huginn         magnuse: YES!
16:24 magnuse        w00t? next question: where are we :-)
16:24 wajasu         i'm just going to submit a bug and patch for the Reseve.t test since expdate was added to AddReserve at http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Reserves.pm;hb=b7e35a37256054c2a1d07a4fcd965283aa91968e
16:30 oleonard       speedy.
16:32 magnuse        back in 1,5!
16:49 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #815: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/815/
16:49 jenkins_koha   * ruth: Bug 7613: OCLC Connexion web service and desktop client, followup patch
16:49 jenkins_koha   * colin.campbell: Bug 8514 Restore Patron Name Display Order
16:49 jenkins_koha   * oleonard: Bug 7784 - Improve clarity of batch modification operations
16:49 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: Bug 8704 - Typo in etc/koha-conf.xml
16:49 jenkins_koha   * m.de.rooy: Bug 8706 - Private lists can be accessed by anyone
16:49 jenkins_koha   * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8261: Cannot search system preferences from Local Use tab
16:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Pushed to Master , OCLC Connexion Gateway, including extension svc/import_bib
16:49 jenkins_koha   * nengard: Bug 8696: Update Export bibs on Tool Menu
16:49 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 8550: restore ISSN field to Z39.50 search
16:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8514 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Display of patron results changed display order
16:49 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display
16:49 jenkins_koha   * jcamins: Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display (intranet)
16:49 jenkins_koha   * tomascohen: Bug 6617 - Wrong first indicator value in test
16:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7784 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve clarity of batch modification operations
16:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8704 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Typo in etc/koha-conf.xml
16:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8706 critical, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Private lists can be accessed by anyone
16:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8261 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Cannot search system preferences from Local Use tab
16:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8696 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Tools menu says export bibs still
16:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8550 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 searches for ISBN/ISSN problematic
16:49 jenkins_koha   Starting build #816 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 3 days ago)
16:49 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6617 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , table of contents not printing right if entered right
16:50 * oleonard     salutes jenkins_koha and huginn
16:50 jcamins        @later tell rangi Did Jenkins run out of RAM? Scads of tests failed.
16:50 huginn         jcamins: The operation succeeded.
16:51 jcamins        @later tell rangi Never mind, scads of tests failed twice in a row. Probably not a RAM issue.
16:51 huginn         jcamins: The operation succeeded.
16:54 cait           hi #koha
16:55 rambutan       hi cait
16:57 wajasu         maybe someone can signoff bug 8728  - its  easy.  just run the Reserves.t in master and see it pass
16:57 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8728 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , t/db_dependent/Reserve.t test doesn't use resdate and expdate arguments for AddReserve
16:58 jcamins        @later tell rangi I figured it out. updatedatabase.pl didn't get run. I don't know why.
16:58 huginn         jcamins: The operation succeeded.
17:29 Brooke         0/
17:29 Oak            hello Brooke :)
17:38 * cait         waves
17:55 * slef         waves at cait
17:55 cait           hi slef
17:55 cait           Brooke asked me to chair the meeting today
17:55 mbalmer        meetings are overrated...
17:55 cait           can you help me get the meetbot sorted? :)
17:55 * mveron       waves to everybody
17:56 oleonard       Thanks cait
17:56 slef           cait: I'll try. after #startmeeting and #topic Introductions I bet it'll come back to you.
17:56 cait           I think so :)
17:56 cait           looking for the agenda, then we can start
17:56 wizzyrea       arg naturally I have a Very Important Meeting That Is Not This One to participate in >.<
17:57 wizzyrea       during this time
17:57 * oleonard     has only an hour until he must disappear
17:57 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #816: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/816/
17:57 * mbalmer      senses a strong participation from switzerland...
17:57 cait           5 more minutes on my clock
17:58 * jcamins      will be leaving imminently.
17:58 slef           mbalmer: will you be selling any CDs of confidential data?
17:58 mbalmer        please make price suggestions in privmsg, slef...
18:01 cait           hi ColinC
18:01 ColinC         hi cait
18:01 cait           59 persons in #koha :)
18:01 cait           ok
18:01 cait           let's start
18:01 ColinC         the more the merrier
18:01 cait           #startmeeting
18:01 huginn         Meeting started Wed Sep  5 17:59:26 2012 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
18:01 huginn         Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic.
18:01 wahanui        if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me
18:01 cait           #topic Introductions
18:01 wahanui        #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
18:02 cait           welcome to today's Koha IRC meeting
18:02 cait           please introduce yourself with #info at the beginning of the line
18:02 slef           #info MJ Ray, software.coop, Setchey, Norfolk, England
18:02 cait           #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
18:02 thd            #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
18:02 jwagner        #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
18:02 oleonard       #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
18:02 libsysguy      #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions, Houston Texas
18:02 ColinC         #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe Ltd
18:02 jcamins        #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC
18:02 bag            #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater
18:03 wajasu         #info Walter Sullvan
18:03 mveron         #info Marc Véron, marc veron ag (www.veron.ch), Allschwil, Switzerland, member of Koha Support Schweiz
18:03 cait           hi paul_p and Viktor - we just started introductions
18:03 mbalmer        #info Marc Balmer, Koha Support Schweiz, www.koha-support.ch
18:03 paul_p         #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre, France, current Koha Release Manager
18:04 rangi          #info Chris C, Catalyst IT, 3.8.x rmmaint - only here until the kids wake up
18:04 slef           #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_5_September_2012#Agenda
18:04 Viktor         Viktor Sarge, Regional development council of the Halland Region  - Sweden.
18:04 ago43          #info Albert Oller, Bywater, Worcester, MA
18:04 cait           thx slef
18:04 karra          #info Kari Blomster, Hailuoto, Finland.
18:04 cait           Viktor - if you put a #info in front, the meeting logs will get it right :)
18:05 cait           in case anyone wonders - Brooke asked me to take over for today :)
18:05 melia          #info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions, California
18:05 Viktor         cait - Oh, sorry. Thanks!
18:05 cait           ok, going to move on
18:05 Viktor         #info Viktor Sarge, Regional development council of the Halland region, Sweden.
18:05 cait           #topic Announcements
18:05 Oak            #info Arslan Farooq, Pakistan
18:05 cait           do we have announcements to make?
18:05 gbengaadara    #info Olugbenga Adara, Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria
18:06 rambutan       #info Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library
18:06 cait           ok, I take there are no announcements? so we canmove on to the next topic
18:06 cait           #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.6
18:06 cait           word goes to jcamins
18:06 jcamins        #info 3.6.9 is on schedule
18:07 magnuse        #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway
18:07 jcamins        I was planning on announcing 3.6.x's EOL for October 22, but I've been told that we may have a volunteer to take over as RMaint, which would be good.
18:07 jcamins        And that's that.
18:07 eythian        #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT
18:08 cait           jcamins: can you disclose whom we have to encourage?
18:08 cait           :)
18:08 cait           probably not
18:08 cait           any questions to jcamins about 3.6.x?
18:08 jcamins        cait: not yet. I just found out yesterday that this person might consider it.
18:08 druthb         #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater
18:09 cait           ok, if noone has questions, we canmove to the next topic
18:09 cait           #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.8
18:09 paul_p         about 3.6, should we ask on the ML how many ppl are still running it ?
18:09 cait           rangi: still here?
18:09 wahanui        somebody said here was where I work
18:09 rangi          yep
18:10 jcamins        paul_p: why? Do you care?
18:10 paul_p         so we could see if it's worth the involvement for the RMaint
18:10 rangi          3.8.5 is on schedule, i really want bug 8251 and bug 8246
18:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin
18:10 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8246 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't delete bibs in big batch delete
18:10 cait           #info 3.8.5 on schedule
18:10 paul_p         jcamins = if no one is using it, maybe the candidate RMaint will reconsider applying ?
18:10 rangi          hmm not 8246 the one that is linked to 8251 :)
18:10 jcamins        That's his/her decision, I think.
18:11 slef           do we have download stats?
18:11 rangi          in, but they need to pass qa and be pushed to master
18:11 cait           rangi: so we need qa now? or do we still need patches too?
18:11 rangi          qa
18:11 paul_p         rambutan = still no patch on 8246 ?
18:11 rangi          not 8246
18:12 cait           rangi: maybe add the correct bug numbers as #info? I got confused
18:12 rambutan       ?
18:12 cait           wrong autocomplete I think :)
18:12 rambutan       yep
18:12 paul_p         oops... 2 "ra-something" ;-)
18:12 cait           paul_p: I think if someone offers to be rmaint he/she probably has an interest in the version to continue
18:13 rangi          #info bug 8251 and bug 8486 are intertwined and i want them fixed for 3.8.5
18:13 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8486 blocker, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Critical error in Koha::Calendar::days_between calculation
18:13 cait           rangi: thx
18:13 paul_p         cait = probably, just suggesting asking on the ML. It's not hard to do and can give us usefull informations !
18:13 cait           ok
18:13 cait           somethng else for 3.8.x?
18:13 rangi          i think it would give information, probably not useful :)
18:13 rangi          nope thats it
18:14 cait           ok
18:14 cait           so next topic
18:14 cait           #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.10
18:14 paul_p         my turn then ;-)
18:14 cait           paul_p has the word
18:15 paul_p         well, I had 80 patches to push when I came back from holiday. Most of them are pushed now
18:15 magnuse        paul_p++
18:15 oleonard       paul_p++
18:15 paul_p         There are just a few patches related to authorities that I want to test more before pushing.
18:15 paul_p         And some that are waiting for feedback i've asked
18:15 Oak            paul_p++
18:16 mveron         paul_p++
18:16 * jcamins      runs off.
18:16 cait           I have a question about feature freeze - is it still 22nd september?
18:16 paul_p         The "signed off" queue is quite large also. I'll try to work on it next week
18:16 cait           and how will you handle it?
18:16 paul_p         cait = yep, I still plan FF for sept 22th
18:16 paul_p         cait = can you explain your question ?
18:16 cait           #info 3.12 feature freeze will be on 22nd September
18:17 cait           I think in the past we had some confusion about what it means
18:17 rangi             3.10
18:17 paul_p         cait = not 3.12, 3.10 ;-)
18:17 cait           oh
18:17 libsysguy      heh no new features in 3.12
18:17 libsysguy      only bug fixes
18:17 cait           #info um 3.10 feature freeze will be on 22nd September (last was typo)
18:18 cait           won't you push any new featues, or is it the last day for sign off, or qa...
18:18 cait           I think it would be good to make that very clear and maybe sent a mail on the mailing list
18:18 cait           so people don't complain later
18:18 paul_p         To insure the best stability, I won't push any patch that adds a feature that touches the core of Koha.
18:18 cait           ok
18:19 cait           so it has to be passed qa on that date?
18:19 paul_p         yep.
18:20 cait           #info so any new feature for 3.10 has to be passed qa on that date
18:20 bag            sorry that statement still doesn't make sense to me - but I'm fine with it as is…  Maybe next Kohacon someone can explain feature freeze to me
18:20 paul_p         It means I'll will still add Enhancement, but only those that don't deal with the core of Koha. By core, I mean things like Koha.pm, Auth.pm, Circulation, ...
18:20 cait           paul_p: so you distinguish between enh and new features?
18:21 slef           I think this is sometimes called a light freeze, followed later by a deep freeze.
18:21 paul_p         Maybe I should write a list of files that should not be modified after the FF
18:21 cait           bag: i am also confused, that's why i am asking, and we shout write it down somewhere
18:21 wahanui        okay, cait.
18:21 paul_p         cait = nope, I distinguish between "core" and "non core".
18:21 * slef         looks at wahanui
18:21 libsysguy      so when is the non-core freeze
18:21 cait           even if you don't touch C4 you can break stuff badly
18:21 magnuse        a quick mail to the list explaining the different dates and what they mean would be good, i think :-)
18:21 libsysguy      indeed
18:22 paul_p         For example, the "batch biblio modification" is not core = there's no risk it break something.
18:22 cait           like breaking the javascript in a template file, breaking the xslt, breaking a simpler perl file
18:22 cait           i am not sure that can be dealt with a list of files
18:22 mbalmer        and even if you touch C4, you can fix problems.
18:22 slef           #agreed paul_p to send a quick mail to the list explaining the different dates and what they mean
18:22 * slef         goes to fiddle with the fish
18:22 paul_p         I don't say I won't push anything on Circulation ! I mean I won't push any ENH that touches Circulation ! (for example)
18:23 * paul_p       feel i'm a little bit unclear...
18:23 drojf          #info Mirko Tietgen, late
18:23 cait           paul_p: hm I think a mail to the list would be great
18:23 paul_p         will try to be more clear on koha-devel.
18:23 cait           cool thx!
18:23 wajasu         for a newbie.  when and how do documentation patches get applied?  to align with the expected things that pass QA.
18:23 cait           paul_p++
18:23 paul_p         maybe I could list ENH that are concerned by the FF, and those that could pass after the FF !
18:24 paul_p         s/could/should/
18:25 paul_p         I also plan to write & publish my RM monthly newsletter tomorrow
18:25 magnuse        yay!
18:25 paul_p         Otherwise, things are going well.
18:25 karra          :) sounds great!!
18:25 cait           #info paul_p is going to publish the rm newsletter tomorrow
18:26 Viktor         great
18:26 cait           ok, do we need more discussion on 3.10/rlease cycle?
18:26 paul_p         to finish with the 3.10 topic, I must say I'm very happy to imagine I've only 2.5 months to wait before not being RM anymore. It's an exhausting task, really !
18:27 paul_p         (which does not mean I'm happy to be. But 1 year is enough !)
18:27 karra          you work so hard, explaining is tough, feel for you
18:27 cait           :)
18:27 karra          :)
18:27 cait           ok, I would suggest moving on then
18:27 cait           #topic KohaCon2013
18:27 paul_p         (it's really a lot of responsibility for a single person)
18:28 * oleonard     reassures potential future RMs that paul_p is exaggerating and that they'll love it
18:28 cait           heh
18:28 thd            paul_p: The exhausting parts of the task really need more delegation.
18:28 paul_p         thd++ !!!
18:28 cait           guess I am too fast as chair today -sorry all
18:28 oleonard       Do we have anyone here who is helping plan KohaCon13?
18:28 Oak            even paul_p will miss it when he's no longer RM. he'll tell us for sure.
18:28 paul_p         oleonard = you haven't seen the pm I've sent to jcamins_away when he applied ;-) I really tried to discourage him, to be sure he was really wanting the job :D
18:28 jwagner        cait, you're doing fine -- it's a nice pace as far as I'm concerned :-)
18:29 magnuse        cait++
18:29 cait           thx
18:29 rangi          no kohacon13 people?
18:29 Oak            @later tell Brooke cait did great at the meeting :)
18:29 huginn         Oak: The operation succeeded.
18:29 thd            paul_p: The code base and contributions will inevitable grow to the point where no mere mortal can sanely undertake the task alone.
18:29 cait           ok, if noone is here we could perhaps make a short note about the meeting that was
18:29 rangi          lets keep on topic please people :)
18:29 Oak            oh sorry
18:30 cait           thd: I think maybe we can put the general discusson ore to the end?
18:30 rangi          i have 2 kids who are gonna climb all over me any minute now
18:30 slef           I think I was at a kohacon13 meeting
18:30 cait           yes you were
18:30 thd            sorry, missed topic change.
18:30 cait           cn you give a short summary?
18:30 slef           how long ago was that?
18:30 slef           #link http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-08-22-15.00.html
18:31 cait           ah nice
18:31 bag            it was quick IRC
18:31 cait           I think Nancy said another meting will be called once they got dates and prices for the places
18:31 bag            cait you are correct - that's a decent summary
18:31 slef           #info basically 3-1-3 pattern and they're getting bids from venues before fixing more details. More meetings to follow
18:31 cait           ok
18:32 cait           so warning - going to change the topic :)
18:32 thd            wait
18:32 cait           :)
18:32 karra          :))
18:32 thd            slef: What is 3-1-3?
18:32 oleonard       Three days conference, one day off, three days hackfest
18:32 slef           3 days conference, 1 day social, 3 days hackfest
18:33 cait           it seemed to work well for the last conferences
18:33 slef           but I think it may change if one of the bids is brilliant and requires it to change
18:33 * oleonard     proposes 3-1-14
18:33 * cait         votes for that
18:33 * thd          is now ready for topic change.  Thanks.
18:33 * drojf        proposed someone sponsoring me for that time
18:34 * druthb       proposes founding KohaColony: a place where That's What We Do.
18:34 mbalmer        what is -1- good for?
18:34 mbalmer        it just means spending more money on hotel
18:34 oleonard       Being social, sightseeing, etc.
18:34 cait           getting to know each other and actually see something of the foreign place you are at? :)
18:34 drojf          that's nothing mbalmer would do :P
18:34 thd            and sleeping in case you had lost sleep with all your all night coding.
18:34 Viktor         I did not see the point of 1 until attending Edinburgh and missing out on the social by having to go home.
18:35 slef           Yeah, well, the Edinburgh 1 wasn't as good as the Wellington/Levin 1.
18:35 mveron         ...it was raining...
18:35 rangi          i enjoyed riding the bus around edinburgh with my friends
18:35 slef           We tried but nothing quite seemed to come together for that day.
18:35 druthb         The Mumbai 1 was quite fun, too.
18:35 rangi          even in the rain
18:35 mveron         ...so we could do some more ad hoc work on Koha
18:35 cait           aw
18:36 paul_p         mbalmer = Edinburgh KohaCon was different than others. On others, we had an organised event. Very interesting & important for socializing.
18:36 mbalmer        sp we should really do 1-7-1
18:36 drojf          rangi: don't forget the sea we almost saw :)
18:36 rangi          heh
18:36 paul_p         mbalmer = that's an option ;-)
18:36 cait           ok :)
18:36 paul_p         but I would prefer 3-1-14 as oleonard suggested ;-)
18:36 mveron         3 - 1- 361 ?
18:36 wahanui        -359
18:36 druthb         1-7-14?
18:36 wahanui         -20
18:36 drojf          maybe i can do 3-1-14 if i fo koha camping
18:36 paul_p         mveron++
18:36 slef           At Wellington/Levin KohaCon, there was a bus to Levin for a civic reception and a powhiri(spelling! and maybe the wrong word!)
18:36 cait           but now we are going off topic - I am going to make you discuss that in miscellaneous
18:37 mbalmer        90-60-90
18:37 wahanui         -60
18:37 cait           even if it's fun
18:37 jwagner        cait++
18:37 cait           topic change warning
18:37 cait           #topic Roles for 3.12
18:37 * slef         ducks and covers from the cait topicbombs
18:37 cait           can someone #link the proposals please?
18:38 oleonard       #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.12
18:38 rangi          we still need translation manager, QA manager and chair
18:38 * jwagner      nominates cait for meeting chair!
18:38 cait           i already signed up for 2 roles
18:38 mbalmer        it hits my eye that there is no QA manager, which seems important
18:38 cait           and there are some times that would be pretty hard for me to do
18:38 jwagner        cait, it's called multi-tasking :-)
18:39 * druthb       seconds jwagner's nomination of cait for meeting chair.
18:39 thd            There is a proposal for rotating meeting chair.
18:39 magnuse        lots of *Assistant* QA Managers, though
18:39 libsysguy      heh
18:39 rangi          gotta have people to rotate it too
18:39 mbalmer        me not, sunce cait does not want that role apparently, or am I wrong?
18:39 thd            rangi++
18:40 talljoy        #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions
18:40 cait           mbalmer: i would do it - but I think there is a word for people with too many roles
18:40 jwagner        talented?
18:40 magnuse        hehe
18:40 druthb         "manic?"
18:40 mveron         :-)
18:40 mveron         for talented...
18:40 * paul_p       think he will just promize to dedicate half a day every week to signoff the 5 oldest patches in the "need signoff" queue. But I still hesitate to join as QA-A also
18:40 thd            If you can stretch yourself very thin, that is a talent.
18:41 cait           paul_p: that would still be a very good promise :)
18:41 cait           and not easy, but would be brilliant
18:41 mveron         paul_p++
18:41 mbalmer        if mveron is a bug wrangler, I can always try hard to introduce new bugs...
18:41 * druthb       would like to help out cait with the TM role a bit; recent work on Arabic has sparked her interest.
18:41 drojf          ancient patch signoffer. cool role!
18:41 cait           ah right
18:41 cait           we are also missing a translation manager it seems
18:41 wahanui        okay, cait.
18:41 cait           I haven't heard from fredericd if he wants to continue
18:41 magnuse        paul_p++
18:41 cait           and I am only offering to assist
18:42 rangi          the TM manager needs to run pootle
18:42 cait           yep
18:42 paul_p         cait = we also had another frenchy as TM-assistant, this round
18:42 * paul_p       don't remember his name...
18:42 cait           Samuel ?
18:42 drojf          i bet pootle runs fine from a raspberry pi inside the bsz headquaters
18:42 paul_p         cait, yep, Samuel, thx
18:42 cait           drojf: heh
18:43 cait           ok
18:43 cait           what can we note down?
18:43 jenkins_koha   Starting build #817 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 3 days ago)
18:43 cait           # idea: rotate meeting chairs
18:43 rangi          i propose someone sends another mail to the lists
18:43 rangi          and not me
18:43 cait           #info idea: rotate meeting chairs
18:43 cait           ok, who can we volunteer for that
18:43 rangi          noting the areas we are missing volunteers
18:43 cait           not me
18:43 drojf          when is voting for the roles supposed to happen? or did i just miss that?
18:43 cait           we have to decide about that today
18:44 cait           and it should happen well before 3.10 release
18:44 cait           drojf: can you send a mail? with the date and missing roles? :)
18:44 drojf          well before… is next time?!
18:44 rangi          next month meeting
18:44 rangi          we should make that the voting day maybe
18:44 cait           I agree
18:44 magnuse        +1
18:44 cait           drojf: persuaded?
18:45 druthb         +1
18:45 drojf          +1
18:45 mveron         +1
18:45 paul_p         +1
18:45 oleonard       And if we don't have volunteers for each role we take who we can get later?
18:45 drojf          cait: ok i'll send an email if it has not to be tonight
18:45 rangi          yep
18:45 ColinC         +1
18:45 cait           #action someone (maybe drojf) is going to send a reminder to the list with missing roles and the voting date
18:45 cait           excellent
18:45 cait           ok
18:45 cait           ok, so we are voting on making the next meeting a voting meeting only?
18:46 drojf          i think so
18:46 slef           +1
18:46 magnuse        +1
18:46 jwagner        +1
18:46 cait           ok, please vote if that's ok for you or not, and I am going to check the time for next meeting
18:46 cait           +1 for me also
18:46 thd            +1
18:46 pikin          ok
18:46 rangi          +1
18:46 drojf          +1
18:47 druthb         +1
18:47 Viktor         +1
18:47 oleonard       +1
18:47 eythian        +1
18:47 karra          +1
18:47 libsysguy      +1
18:47 gbengaadara    +1
18:47 bag            +1
18:48 cait           #agreed next IRC meeting will be voting on roles for 3.12 only
18:48 cait           ok
18:48 pikin          pls i realy need 2 learn about koha
18:48 magnuse        um...
18:48 cait           as we are on 18 now and have had 2 before, I think the time fo the next meeting is 10 UTC+0
18:48 pikin          am a novice
18:48 magnuse        "only" as in that will be the only business at that meeting?
18:49 cait           ah, that was my question, sorry
18:49 mbalmer        pkin, we are in a general meeting
18:49 talljoy        +1
18:49 rangi          pikin, we are in a meeting, please wait until it is finished
18:49 cait           maybe top priority? but it might get long
18:49 jwagner        pikin, give it about half an hour and ask again
18:49 slef           pikin: can you wait a few minutes and someone will help you? If not, I'll open a direct chat.
18:49 cait           maybe better to have another meeting short after to keep it a bit shorter? or only urgent topics?
18:50 rangi          yes it is 10 UTC cait
18:50 oleonard       10/10 at 10?
18:50 rangi          easy
18:50 cait           sounds good to me
18:50 rangi          lets do that
18:50 drojf          i like it
18:50 cait           someone wants to veto?
18:50 magnuse        nope
18:50 pikin          k
18:50 cait           lets have a vote on 10/10 10 UTC
18:50 cait           please
18:51 magnuse        +1
18:51 drojf          +1
18:51 oleonard       +1
18:51 druthb         +1
18:51 gbengaadara    +1
18:51 cait           +1
18:51 karra          +1
18:51 ColinC         +10
18:51 thd            +1
18:51 mveron         +1
18:51 Viktor         +1
18:51 talljoy        +!
18:51 talljoy        +1
18:51 rangi          +1
18:52 paul_p         +1
18:52 cait           #agreed next IRC meeting will be on 10th october at 10 UTC+0
18:52 cait           ok
18:52 cait           now for only or not - magnuse - should we change that?
18:52 rangi          what?
18:52 cait           if it will be only a vote meeting or other topics too
18:53 rangi          i thought that was what we voted for?
18:53 cait           magnuse had a question about it, only making sure it's ok
18:54 rangi          < cait> ok, please vote if that's ok for you or not, and I am going to check the time for next meeting
18:54 slef           we'll be part way through the freeze won't we? So an update would be good
18:54 rangi          yeah but not during that meeting
18:54 rangi          it will be long enough anyway
18:54 pikin          k
18:54 * oleonard     thought we were voting on whether the senior lounge should have a foosball table
18:54 pikin          am confused
18:54 magnuse        ok, i was unsure if i was understanding correctly
18:55 cait           I think we can slip a short update in , but probably will have lots of discussion about proposals and votes
18:55 magnuse        but if i was the only one wondering i'll keep schtumm
18:55 * slef         thought we were voting on next meeting making the decision, not on voting being the only topic. *shrug* Up to the rest of you.
18:55 cait           ok, next on the list of topics is...
18:56 drojf          so everybody voted for something else? it's nice that we agreed for something :)
18:56 drojf          agreed on
18:56 thd            slef: At the end of the voting we could vote on including other business :)
18:56 cait           ok, speak up if you disagree with "only" - if not I am moving on :)
18:57 * rangi        has to go
18:57 magnuse        feel free to edit: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_10_October_2012 :-)
18:57 cait           ok, next topic
18:57 thd            I think that voting had at least been understood to be the primary purpose of the next meeting.
18:58 thd            wait one moment please cait.
18:58 rangi          and that is why ppl dont want to be chair :)
18:58 rangi          you cant tell the chair to wait one minute
18:58 * rangi        is really gone now
18:58 thd            Sorry
18:59 slef           what are we waiting for?
18:59 drojf          no idea
18:59 thd            I think it is a problem to absolutely exclude all other business
18:59 cait           I don't think we have to be as strict, but we should strictly deal with voting first
18:59 oleonard       We're human, flexible, and can accommodate necessary changes at the time of the meeting
18:59 cait           and if it's only 2 hours by then... maybe make another date for a meeting sooner than in one month
19:00 cait           but that's only my opinion on this
19:00 drojf          +1 for voting as long as it takes and then other things
19:00 drojf          if any
19:00 drojf          and if power left
19:00 thd            I think that we can see if there is time to make an announcement or something after the primary voting business of the meeting.
19:00 cait           yes, that's waht I would suggest
19:00 cait           ready to move on now? :)
19:00 mveron         +1
19:00 thd            oleanard++
19:00 cait           #topic Actions from General IRC meeting, 8th August 2012
19:00 cait           I see no open #action items on last meeting's agenda http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-08-08-02.01.html
19:00 slef           move on now
19:00 * oleonard     must leave
19:00 cait           so is there any action we should deal with?
19:01 slef           NAFAIK
19:01 cait           ok, in any case, moving on to next, because any topic will fit there
19:01 cait           #topic Miscellaneous
19:01 cait           ok :)
19:02 cait           now - what did we miss before? any new topics?
19:02 slef           365-day kohacons I think
19:02 cait           I think we would have to move into one city altogether for this
19:02 cait           and this doesn't mean I am against it
19:02 cait           not at all
19:02 mveron         Basel?
19:02 cait           or we could rotate...
19:02 mbalmer        Frick?
19:03 drojf          berlin?
19:03 wahanui        berlin is too small :)
19:03 drojf          heh
19:03 drojf          bad bot, no cookie
19:03 cait           as we have already decided on a next date - I am going to end the meeting. and then we can talk about this ;)
19:04 cait           so - end meeting warning - someone with another serious topic?
19:04 wajasu         anyone using smsoverdues.pl?  or rss.pl?  cronjobs   they are coded with HTML::Template::Pro.
19:04 pikin          hey guys am a novice in koha,pls i need help,this is my email voachanya@fudutsinma.edu.ng
19:04 cait           #endmeeting
19:04 huginn         Meeting ended Wed Sep  5 19:02:07 2012 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
19:04 huginn         Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-09-05-17.59.html
19:04 huginn         Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-09-05-17.59.txt
19:04 huginn         Log:            http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-09-05-17.59.log.html
19:04 mveron         cait ++
19:04 cait           wajasu: hm maybe file a bug for it?
19:04 talljoy        cait++
19:04 wajasu         ok
19:05 cait           it seems they didn't get updated with the translation scripts then?
19:05 slef           pikin: what's the problem? Sorry for the delay
19:05 drojf          cait++
19:05 jcamins_away   pikin: if you have a question, now that the meeting is over you may ask it. If you want in-depth support, there are vendors you can hire for support.
19:05 cait           and why is there template code in a pl file? :(
19:05 slef           first question?
19:05 wahanui        "What are you trying to do?"  "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?"
19:05 pikin          just want 2 learn
19:05 jcamins        manual?
19:05 wahanui        i guess manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation
19:05 jcamins        ^^ that's worth reading through
19:05 slef           livedvd?
19:05 slef           dvd?
19:05 slef           live dvd?
19:05 pikin          k
19:05 * slef         slaps wahanui upside the dead
19:06 talljoy        lol
19:06 cait           lol
19:06 cait           ouch
19:06 pikin          dont hv any
19:06 slef           wahanui: TALK TO ME BABAY!
19:06 wahanui        slef: excuse me?
19:06 paul_p         bye bye everyone. Good day to americans, oceanians and asians. Sweet dreams to africans & europeans ;-)
19:06 eythian        wahanui: don't talk to slef
19:06 wahanui        eythian: huh?
19:06 Viktor         The manual is good for looking up stuff - but do we have any sort of shorter general introduction to Koha?
19:06 slef           wahanui: why?
19:06 wahanui        slef: i don't know
19:06 eythian        paul_p: hey, you missed me in that!
19:07 paul_p         eythian = you're oceanians, isn't it ?
19:07 jcamins        slef?
19:07 wahanui        slef is probably probably busy so please use http://www.software.coop/contact/ if you need him for work
19:07 mveron         Bonne nuit paul_p
19:07 eythian        paul_p: but it's still night time for me!
19:07 paul_p         eythian = well, oceanian in europe those days ;-)
19:07 pikin          how can i get help
19:07 eythian        later paul_p
19:07 jcamins        slef is also but I don't want to say anything bad about him lest he smack me
19:07 wahanui        okay, jcamins.
19:07 mbalmer        next week will be the BIS Kongress in Konstanz, near Switzerland, with a strong Koha presence 
19:07 mbalmer        BIS = Librarians in Switzerland
19:08 eythian        amusingly, they have it in Germany :)
19:08 * paul_p       suggest once again that everyone moves to the same TZ, and will ask UN for that decision. Should be easier than deciding something for Syriah !
19:08 drojf          mbalmer: how many koha libraries do you have in ch?
19:08 pikin          it new in my place Nigeria
19:08 slef           pikin: ask here, see http://koha-community.org/support/
19:08 jcamins        pikin: so far you haven't told us what you need help with.
19:08 mbalmer        drojy, a handful
19:08 mbalmer        drojf, even...
19:08 pikin          an my school is a new unversity
19:09 mveron         drojf: We know about 6 libraries
19:09 slef           wahanui: what is the difference between a duck?
19:09 wahanui        hmmm... the difference between a duck is that one of its legs is the same
19:09 magnuse        have fun #koha!
19:09 pikin          the whle package
19:09 slef           wahanui: download?
19:09 wahanui        wish i knew, slef
19:09 eythian        no wahanui, the difference between a duck is that one of its legs is both the same.
19:09 wahanui        okay, eythian.
19:09 gbengaadara    Pikin: Projektlink Konsult is having a 3 day training on Koha 3.8 in Ibadan 11th - 13th Sept if you are intrested
19:09 Viktor         pikin From install to using Koha?
19:10 pikin          how to upload data in koha
19:10 pikin          ok tnx 4 the infor
19:10 thd            nengard: are you here?
19:11 nengard        yes
19:11 eythian        bye all
19:11 thd            The bug about batch deletions ...
19:11 slef           pikin: it depends what sort of data, but maybe Tools: Stage MARC records for import
19:12 thd            ... Do you know something about the number of records required for triggering the bug?
19:12 pikin          yea
19:12 pikin          stage MARC records
19:12 mbalmer        please, MARC BALMER records...
19:12 pikin          how to subscribe
19:12 nengard        thd bug number?
19:13 slef           pikin: subscribe to what?
19:13 nengard        thd from the manual "If your file (or list of scanned barcodes) has more than 1000 barcodes, Koha will be unable to present you with a list of the items. "
19:13 pikin          to data
19:13 pikin          books etc
19:13 thd            nengard: You reported http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8246 .
19:13 huginn         04Bug 8246: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't delete bibs in big batch delete
19:14 nengard        right, over 1000
19:14 slef           pikin: I don't understand and now I must go. Maybe others here can help.
19:14 pikin          thanks guys u r nice..
19:14 thd            nengard: Are you stating that the manual is informing the user how to work around the bug/limitation?
19:15 karra          pikin: for a start you could read normal Wikipedia, and Koha has wonderful story form 1990-s.
19:16 pikin          tnx man
19:16 gbengaadara    A library wants fines implemented this way: N5 for the first 10 days then N10 subsequently. Is there a work around to do this in Koha?
19:16 karra          ur welcome, :)
19:17 cait           gbengaadara: i think currently not - I think someone had an alternative fines script doing that, but it's not in koha
19:18 thd            nengard: Is this strictly a friendly interface functionality issue where the HTML form is not created?
19:18 nengard        well i understand the html form not being created with that many titles, but the option to delete the bibs should still be there
19:18 nengard        so it's not  design issue
19:19 thd            nengard: I am confused about your last sentence.
19:19 gbengaadara    cait: Thanks. Any advice on how i can track the script down
19:19 thd            nengard: Are you saying that a low level delete of over 1000 records would work fine but the friendly form would not appear?
19:19 cait           gbengaadara: i think a mail to the mailing list may make it show up perhaps
19:20 nengard        it's not an interface functionality issue like you said - it's a missing feature ? if there are 999 titles you can delete the bibs as well, but if there are 1000+ you can't delete the bib records
19:20 cait           gbengaadara: it was a while ago, not sure who it was and if it will work on current version
19:20 gbengaadara    cait: ok. will try that
19:20 thd            nengard: OK, thanks for the clarification.
19:21 thd            nengard: My experiments have only involved smaller numbers of records and when I delete I usually purge everything.
19:21 nengard        yup
19:23 * thd          does laundry and prays that headache inducing summer weather ends today.
19:23 karra          Hey, listen, Another thing. Are there any opac searchable fields in Serial Item records?
19:23 cait           karra: sorry, I don#t understand it :( can you give a use case?
19:24 karra          Serial collection has, items.
19:24 karra          and they have notes
19:24 karra          But not to search by patrons?
19:24 karra          ok?
19:24 karra          :)
19:25 * drojf        still has not touched serials in koha
19:25 drojf          so no idea from me
19:26 karra          As I have item 2011/22 there http://hailuoto.virtuaalitehdas.fi/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=2&viewallitems=1#holdings
19:26 karra          with a note, but it or likes of it do not get found.
19:26 karra          Can it be worked somehow?
19:26 cait           karra: it depends, if its real items they are searchable ai think or you could make them searchable
19:26 cait           but not the fields from the subscriptions
19:27 karra          ok? but..
19:27 karra          from..
19:27 karra          THis is an item note, yess??
19:29 karra          Further, the selfbrowsing w serials is of no use... :(  --> http://hailuoto.virtuaalitehdas.fi/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=2&shelfbrowse_itemnumber=306#shelfbrowser
19:30 karra          So, cait,  they are real items, but can serach find the items notes, its not a big deal, but interests me:))
19:31 cait           I don't know without testing
19:31 cait           but the items information is in th emarc
19:31 cait           so you could index it easily if it was not searchable
19:31 karra          Ok, thanks.
19:31 cait           subscription information is in the database - that wouldn't work so easy
19:32 karra          But all in all, it is easily imaginable that you had a issue of a serial with important articles.
19:33 karra          How do I make a working note of the content, related to the item/issue. (sorry I have not read all the manual yet..):)
19:33 cait           you coudl do analytics records for those articles
19:33 cait           or put them in th enotes
19:33 karra          hey, im only a librarian.. :D
19:34 cait           but koha doesn't support that structure right now serial - issue -analytic (article)
19:34 cait           it would have to be serial - analytic
19:34 karra          uuh, ok, i think i see.
19:34 jcamins        cait: one should never create individual bibs for each issue.
19:34 cait           or you could use the notes maybe, but formatting would get a bit messy
19:35 * jcamins      would use analytics.
19:35 cait           jcamins: makes sense to me
19:35 karra          or i should catalouge my valuables... :)
19:36 karra          I mean remarkable issues separately,
19:36 jcamins        karra: no, that's not such a good idea.
19:37 pikin          can i install koha on my corei3 window 7 pc?
19:37 jcamins        pikin: only by installing Linux in a virtual machine.
19:37 pikin          how
19:37 karra          thanks jcamins yeaa, i know, im just helping myself. bc items do not..
19:38 jcamins        I have terrible lag.
19:38 jcamins        Typing is very slow.
19:38 pikin          sori
19:38 jcamins        karra: if the issues do not have separate titles, you will just end up with a lot of records for the same thing.
19:38 jcamins        If they have separate titles, treat them as a monographic series, and give each issue a record.
19:39 jcamins        pikin: I can't explain setting up Koha on a VM for you. It's somewhat complicated, and the work I'm getting paid for comes first.
19:39 pikin          k  i understand tnx.
19:40 mbalmer        get vmware workstation, install debian squeeze, follow the instructions on the koha-community wiki.
19:40 mbalmer        invest an afternoon, I'd say.  and you, pikin, get an Koha up and running
19:40 karra          The real life here is that I have a copy of a cartoon serial w dialect special issue. Just one. And I can not catalogue it as a serial issue for patrons to find.
19:41 jcamins        karra: ohhh. Special issues.
19:41 pikin          tnx man
19:41 * jcamins      thought you meant "regular issue that you consider special."
19:41 karra          Golden!:)
19:41 wajasu         jcamins: is karra trying to categorize valuables issues for circulation purposes?  what about a koha item_type?
19:42 rangi          I think that is a new record, kids fed, dressed, lunches made and on the bus in 46 minutes
19:42 jcamins        karra: in this case, you can do an *issue* analytic and add 773/775s.
19:43 cait           rangi: yay :)
19:43 wajasu         sweet
19:43 karra          jcamins: Oookei, thanks, Ill ask by tech buddy what that means. :) ))
19:44 jcamins        karra: it's a librarian thing.
19:44 jcamins        It's going to make less sense to a tech. ;)
19:44 jcamins        You use NORMARC/MARC21, yes?
19:44 karra          marc21
19:44 jcamins        Good.
19:44 rangi          Where is karra from?
19:44 jcamins        NORMARC is crazy.
19:44 karra          scares me to chance issue item type to book
19:44 karra          Finnboy
19:45 karra          Finland.
19:45 mbalmer        MARC is fun, actually….
19:45 drojf          jcamins: is NORMARC very different from MARC21?
19:45 jcamins        drojf: no.
19:45 jcamins        Almost the same.
19:45 mbalmer        long live ISO 2709… (not)
19:45 drojf          i assumed it wouldn't
19:45 drojf          okay
19:45 jcamins        Having it at all is crazy.
19:45 karra          (but why marc, for how long) :)
19:45 drojf          ah. yes
19:45 jcamins        karra: you receive the special issue as usual.
19:45 jcamins        To record it received.
19:46 jcamins        Then, you create a new record for your special issue.
19:46 karra          ok.
19:46 mveron         Good night #koha
19:46 jcamins        Give it a 773 referring to the serial record.
19:46 jcamins        Then add a 775 to the serial record, pointing at the new issue record.
19:46 jcamins        Basically what you suggested originally, but I objected to because I didn't realize you meant special issue (and not "issue that is special").
19:47 karra          Okei. .. hrm, actually I thought i meant issue that is special.
19:47 karra          :) but im fine here, perfect! to have you with this..
19:48 jcamins        A dialect issue is a "special issue." An issue which happens to have an article by your favorite author is an issue that is special. ;)
19:48 karra          jcamins, thanks, good stuff, but I doubt I lone public librarian shall take on your advice.
19:49 karra          actuqally the issue has a dialect appendix.. :)) bound..
19:49 mbalmer        amazing how many museums also have libraries of a kind...
19:49 jcamins        karra: it's easy. :)
19:51 mbalmer        slowly time to pull out, switzerland is dark...
19:51 jcamins        mbalmer: probably most museums.
19:51 cait           night mbalmer
19:51 jenkins_koha   Project Koha_master build #817: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/817/
19:52 mbalmer        jcamins, yes, it interesting, since I am doing museum stuff, and this might open doors...
19:52 karra          But this is academic question now, since my public library has Donald Duck cartoon extra leaflet moded in local finnish dialects- And I am happy to use IRC for the first time in my life. Thanks for your time.
19:54 karra          We have one Koha museum in Finland, btw,
19:56 mbalmer        I hope to get some jump on the train in .ch….
20:05 rangi          My stop bbiab
20:05 drojf          mbalmer: will you be doing a general koha talk in konstanz?
20:06 mbalmer        yes, I hope so.
20:06 drojf          nice
20:07 mbalmer        it will have nothing to do with my other involvement in switzerland, I plan to even mention BSZ as a "Koha company"
20:07 mbalmer        (gives potential users a better feeling when they know there are several "companies" that can help them, and that will help koha to gain "market share"; I hope)
20:08 drojf          mbalmer: yes, it seems not that many libraries are as adventurous as we are and just want to do it all themselves ;)
20:09 mbalmer        but then your library can be happy to have someone like you...
20:09 jcamins        drojf: thank goodness! :P
20:10 * mbalmer      pulls out. gn8
20:10 drojf          good night mbalmer
20:11 libsysguy      anybody have any experience with t-prefixed barcodes
20:12 libsysguy      I am writing the unit tests for C4::Circulation
20:12 libsysguy      and I have no idea what is happening for the t-prefix filter
20:25 rangi          back
20:25 wizzyrea       wb
20:26 gmcharlt       IE--
20:26 gmcharlt       IE--
20:26 gmcharlt       IE--
20:26 trea           ^^
20:26 jcamins        IE-- # it cannot be said enough
20:27 libsysguy      codebase--
20:27 libsysguy      codebase--
20:27 libsysguy      documentation++
20:27 libsysguy      unit-tests++
20:27 libsysguy      that is all
20:28 cait           IE--
20:28 cait           ie--
20:29 drojf          is that still a thing?
20:30 drojf          @karma IE
20:30 huginn         drojf: Karma for "IE" has been increased 0 times and decreased 50 times for a total karma of -50.
20:30 drojf          lol
20:30 libsysguy      @karma ie
20:30 huginn         libsysguy: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 50 times for a total karma of -50.
20:30 libsysguy      i guess case doesn't matter
20:31 drojf          in that case it doesn't
20:35 libsysguy      @karma libsysguy
20:35 huginn         libsysguy: Karma for "libsysguy" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28.
20:35 libsysguy      @quote random
20:35 huginn         libsysguy: Quote #28: "<owen> I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around all day remembering *everything* I say." (added by jdavidb at 01:14 PM, September 01, 2009)
20:35 libsysguy      wow that one is old
20:40 trea           @quote 1
20:40 huginn         trea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
20:40 jcamins        @quote get 1
20:40 huginn         jcamins: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009)
20:40 trea           heh
20:41 cait           @quote random
20:41 huginn         cait: Quote #204: "jcamins: It makes me feel like MARC has failed me." (added by chris_n at 05:37 PM, May 11, 2012)
20:41 cait           good night #koha
20:41 trea           night cait
20:41 kathryn        hi/bye cait  :)
20:41 cait           have a nice day kathryn :)
20:41 kathryn        thanks!
20:59 jcamins        You know what LibreOffice needs?
21:00 jcamins        vi keybindings
21:00 gmcharlt       jcamins++
21:16 halcyonCorsair rangi: jcamins: first cut: (node.json for chef solo) https://gist.github.com/3644826, and cookbook for chef  https://github.com/halcyonCorsair/chef-koha to work with this vagrant (vagrantup.com) box http://files.vagrantup.com/precise64.box
21:17 halcyonCorsair now... I'm going riding
21:17 halcyonCorsair takes you all the way up to where you can run the web installer
21:18 rangi          well done!
21:18 jcamins        Cool!
21:18 rangi          enjoy the ride, watch out for stopped cars :P
21:19 wizzyrea       @quote random
21:19 huginn         wizzyrea: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 06:36 PM, July 06, 2009)
21:19 * wizzyrea     giggles
21:19 wizzyrea       i forgot about that one
21:22 jcamins        Ooh... I've had almost as many lines on #koha as wizzyrea.
21:22 wizzyrea       :)
21:22 wizzyrea       I haven't been very talkative lately
21:22 jcamins        Significantly more words.
21:22 rangi          rerunning stats now
21:44 wizzyrea       @quote random
21:44 huginn         wizzyrea: Quote #149: "mtj: DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!!" (added by druthb at 01:15 AM, August 26, 2011)
21:44 wizzyrea       ooo, on my birthday!
21:44 wizzyrea       snizzle!
21:45 rangi          heh
21:46 rangi          http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/
21:52 wizzyrea       lol best quote ever.
21:53 wizzyrea       kf's quote is pretty priceless too
21:54 * wizzyrea     is going to have to work harder to catch kados.
21:54 rangi          :)
21:55 rangi          well its a static target
21:55 wizzyrea       I'LL GET YOU! JUST YOU WAIT.
21:55 rangi          thousands of people all over the world echo that sentiment
21:58 wizzyrea       wow it's taken 1281 days for people to overtake him.
21:58 wizzyrea       i mean, probably less.
21:58 wizzyrea       but still.
21:58 wizzyrea       he was on top for a while.
21:58 rangi          not of me
21:58 wizzyrea       ew
21:58 * wizzyrea     does not want to imagine that
21:59 rangi          kf needs to pass him on 0-5
21:59 wizzyrea       it would be hard for anybody to top you in IRC words though
21:59 rangi          yeah i talk some crap
21:59 * ibeardslee   nods
21:59 wizzyrea       lol
21:59 * wizzyrea     now considers every word typed a step towards the ultimate goal of topping kados in #koha IRC words.
21:59 wizzyrea       I may have to be more verbose.
22:05 rangi          dangit
22:05 rangi          i got caught in the failing tests one
22:05 rangi          http://jenkins.koha-community.org/cigame/?
22:06 rangi          dropped me down
22:06 rangi          not as bad as pauls 2nd user tho
22:06 rangi           -16
22:38 jcamins        What have I done?
22:41 jcamins        rangi: are you sure about that patch? It doesn't touch XISBN.
22:42 jcamins        Also, both pass on my system.
22:42 jcamins        Wait, I already applied all the patches.
22:43 jcamins        Right, patch fixes Items problem.
22:56 rangi          yes, it does :)
23:01 idreambooks    hey guys, i have a question about contributing to koha ils
23:01 idreambooks    if a developer wants to make changes to the source code, what is the process?
23:03 jcamins        idreambooks: first, you install Koha.
23:03 jcamins        idreambooks: then, you file a bug at bugs.koha-community.org
23:03 jcamins        (you do this whether it is a bug or an enhancement)
23:04 jcamins        Then, you write your patch, and submit it by sending it to the patches mailing list and attaching it to the bug.
23:04 jcamins        At that point, someone else has to test it and "sign off" that it works.
23:04 jcamins        Then it goes through QA.
23:04 jcamins        Then it gets pushed into Koha.
23:04 rangi          have you used git before?
23:04 jcamins        And you get added to the history file.
23:04 jcamins        git?
23:04 wahanui        git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git
23:05 jcamins        ^^ you should read that either way
23:05 rangi          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
23:05 jcamins        And that.
23:05 jcamins        coding guidelines?
23:05 wahanui        coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines
23:05 jcamins        Cool, wahanui knew that one.
23:05 rangi          http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow
23:05 rangi          and that
23:05 idreambooks    jcamins: thanks. i am from a site called idreambooks.com and we just released an API (idreambooks.com/api). We aggregate professional critic reviews or editorial reviews from sources like nytimes to come up with a rating of high quality. We were wondering whether we could work with you guys to get our ratings incorporated into Koho
23:05 idreambooks    yes, we use github
23:05 jcamins        idreambooks: oh, did Greg Lawson contact you?
23:06 idreambooks    We were contacted by Liz Rea about a month ago
23:06 idreambooks    I just sent her an email too
23:06 jcamins        Ah, nifty. Greg was talking about your site a few weeks ago.
23:06 rangi          the first thing would be definitely filing an enhancement request at bugs.koha-community.org
23:07 idreambooks    cool...yeah we'd love to work with you guys
23:07 jcamins        Yes, definitely necessary to file the bug.
23:08 jcamins        Ooh, you have more reviews now.
23:08 idreambooks    yes we are adding more every day
23:08 idreambooks    we want to be the go to place for book reviews like rottentomatoes is for movies
23:09 jcamins        It's a very cool-looking site. :)
23:09 idreambooks    ok...so i'll follow the steps you outlined: install koha, file a bug, write a patch and so on
23:09 idreambooks    thanks!
23:10 idreambooks    what is the difference between koha-community and liblime?
23:10 jcamins        File the bug first.
23:10 jcamins        koha-community.org is the website for an open source project.
23:10 jcamins        LibLime is a company that forked the open source project a while ago.
23:10 rangi          liblime forked from the community a while ago, they  run their own project
23:11 rangi          what he said :)
23:11 jenkins_koha   Starting build #157 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:11 jcamins        Their project is now closed source.
23:11 jcamins        Well, one is, one isn't. I think. It's hard to know what exactly they're doing.
23:11 rangi          or at least, sporadically, and not openly developed
23:11 rangi          yeah its hard to know
23:12 jcamins        Right.
23:12 idreambooks    hmm...yeah their result shows up first on google and I thought I needed to get in touch with them. It was a bit confusing. Luckily found you guys through wikipedia :)
23:13 jcamins        Unfortunately they own the koha.org domain. Long, unpleasant story.
23:13 rangi          yeah, hopefully that google ranking will change, its improving all the time, the more people who talk about Koha (proper) and link to it etc help
23:13 jcamins        You should put a sample of the API output on your API page.
23:14 idreambooks    jcamins: if you click on the link in the grey box it will show you the output
23:14 jcamins        Oh, so it will. I assumed that "example_key" would lead to a broken link.
23:15 rangi          you know what they say about assume :)
23:15 jcamins        Yes, I know.
23:15 idreambooks    jcamins: hmm...maybe we should give it a separate section just to make it clear
23:15 jcamins        I might be the only one who gets confused.
23:15 jcamins        Then again, I might not.
23:16 jcamins        If you already have Javascript that will process that, you could set up a mockup really quickly without modifying any of Koha's source code.
23:17 jcamins        (it wouldn't be viable as a solution to the "let's integrate Koha and idreambooks.com" issue generally, but a screen capture of cool things you can do is never a bad idea)
23:18 jcamins        There's a system preference that allows you to add arbitrary Javascript/jQuery to the OPAC, which is how I'd do the mockup.
23:20 idreambooks    hmm...
23:21 rangi          yeah if you had a snippet of jquery that would work with the api to insert pretty stuff into a div or span, we could do a mock up really fast
23:21 rangi          http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=325#
23:22 rangi          see the box on the right, with the print/add to cart
23:23 rangi          a really simple thing to do would be to link to a review on idreamofbooks there, if there is a way to craft a url to get to a review
23:23 rangi          eg if
23:23 rangi          http://idreambooks.com/newbooks/259-Yoga-Cures
23:23 rangi          was accessible as
23:23 rangi          http://idreambooks.com/isbn_number_goes_here
23:24 rangi          oh look there is :)
23:24 jcamins        Ooh, I like the readometer thing.
23:24 jcamins        *that* is what you should be embedding.
23:24 rangi          hmm or not, there is a way to get the xml via the isbn
23:25 idreambooks    yes...http://idreambooks.com/newbooks/api.xml?q=9781101475973&key=example_key
23:25 rangi          yep, for the xml
23:25 idreambooks    that will give you the rating, 5 snippets and a bit more info
23:25 rangi          but is there a way to get to the html page
23:26 rangi          given just an isbn ?
23:26 rangi          im think could add a link in the more searches really easy for a start
23:26 rangi          and that the rest, you would want to have a tab down by the holdings for probably
23:27 idreambooks    yeah html via isbn is not present right now. we can add it though
23:27 rangi          cool
23:27 jcamins        rangi: definitely, but you could add the tab with jquery for a mockup.
23:27 rangi          yep
23:28 jcamins        You know what you need? The ability to get a readometer from the XML.
23:29 jcamins        I don't think I see one.
23:29 idreambooks    hmm...right now there is a way to embed the readometer anywhere through the "Embed Readometer on your site" link
23:29 idreambooks    http://idreambooks.com/newbooks/9-Unbroken
23:29 idreambooks    if you go that page, you will see that link underneath the readometer
23:30 idreambooks    it works like youtube embed url
23:30 jcamins        Yeah, that's what I was looking at.
23:30 rangi          yeah we'd need that as isbn
23:31 idreambooks    but it might be better....yeah
23:31 rangi          so we could do it dynamically ;)
23:31 rangi          that would be cool
23:31 idreambooks    we could send the readometer through the xml file too
23:31 idreambooks    all the data in the readometer is being sent through xml file right now
23:32 rangi          so yeah all we need is some jquery to take your xml, and parse it into some nice html
23:32 rangi          for a proof of concept
23:33 rangi          even if all we had for a start is the rating
23:38 idreambooks    ok...i see what you mean
23:40 idreambooks    so ill go ahead and file the bug
23:40 rangi          excellent
23:41 rangi          jcamins: bug 8622 do we need/want that on 3.8.x, i dont think ill be pushing the related ones moving js libs around and the new theme etc, so it probably is safest to leave it for 3.10 eh?
23:41 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha themes broken
23:42 jcamins        Agreed.
23:42 rangi          cool
23:50 rangi          ok so i have clients wanting to shwo the itemtype from 942, instead of the one from the leader+003+006+007 on the xslt/normal view
23:50 rangi          so im wondering wether to change
23:50 rangi          DisplayOPACiconsXSLT
23:50 rangi          or add a new one
23:51 rangi          im leaning to a new one
23:51 rangi          opacitemtypeimages
23:51 rangi          use marc control fields, use koha biblio itemtype
23:51 rangi          something like that
23:51 rangi          sound mental?
23:53 * rangi        assumes not and does it anyway
23:55 jcamins        New one.
23:55 wahanui        new one is all open?
23:56 rangi          cool
23:56 rangi          bug 8732
23:56 huginn         04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8732 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Add a systempreference to allow users to choose to display an icon based on the marc control fields, or based on the koha biblio level itemtype