Time Nick Message 23:56 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8732 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Add a systempreference to allow users to choose to display an icon based on the marc control fields, or based on the koha biblio level itemtype 23:56 rangi bug 8732 23:56 rangi cool 23:55 wahanui new one is all open? 23:55 jcamins New one. 23:53 * rangi assumes not and does it anyway 23:51 rangi sound mental? 23:51 rangi something like that 23:51 rangi use marc control fields, use koha biblio itemtype 23:51 rangi opacitemtypeimages 23:51 rangi im leaning to a new one 23:50 rangi or add a new one 23:50 rangi DisplayOPACiconsXSLT 23:50 rangi so im wondering wether to change 23:50 rangi ok so i have clients wanting to shwo the itemtype from 942, instead of the one from the leader+003+006+007 on the xslt/normal view 23:42 rangi cool 23:42 jcamins Agreed. 23:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha themes broken 23:41 rangi jcamins: bug 8622 do we need/want that on 3.8.x, i dont think ill be pushing the related ones moving js libs around and the new theme etc, so it probably is safest to leave it for 3.10 eh? 23:40 rangi excellent 23:40 idreambooks so ill go ahead and file the bug 23:38 idreambooks ok...i see what you mean 23:33 rangi even if all we had for a start is the rating 23:32 rangi for a proof of concept 23:32 rangi so yeah all we need is some jquery to take your xml, and parse it into some nice html 23:31 idreambooks all the data in the readometer is being sent through xml file right now 23:31 idreambooks we could send the readometer through the xml file too 23:31 rangi that would be cool 23:31 rangi so we could do it dynamically ;) 23:31 idreambooks but it might be better....yeah 23:30 rangi yeah we'd need that as isbn 23:30 jcamins Yeah, that's what I was looking at. 23:30 idreambooks it works like youtube embed url 23:29 idreambooks if you go that page, you will see that link underneath the readometer 23:29 idreambooks http://idreambooks.com/newbooks/9-Unbroken 23:29 idreambooks hmm...right now there is a way to embed the readometer anywhere through the "Embed Readometer on your site" link 23:29 jcamins I don't think I see one. 23:28 jcamins You know what you need? The ability to get a readometer from the XML. 23:27 rangi yep 23:27 jcamins rangi: definitely, but you could add the tab with jquery for a mockup. 23:27 rangi cool 23:27 idreambooks yeah html via isbn is not present right now. we can add it though 23:26 rangi and that the rest, you would want to have a tab down by the holdings for probably 23:26 rangi im think could add a link in the more searches really easy for a start 23:26 rangi given just an isbn ? 23:25 rangi but is there a way to get to the html page 23:25 idreambooks that will give you the rating, 5 snippets and a bit more info 23:25 rangi yep, for the xml 23:25 idreambooks yes...http://idreambooks.com/newbooks/api.xml?q=9781101475973&key=example_key 23:24 rangi hmm or not, there is a way to get the xml via the isbn 23:24 jcamins *that* is what you should be embedding. 23:24 jcamins Ooh, I like the readometer thing. 23:24 rangi oh look there is :) 23:23 rangi http://idreambooks.com/isbn_number_goes_here 23:23 rangi was accessible as 23:23 rangi http://idreambooks.com/newbooks/259-Yoga-Cures 23:23 rangi eg if 23:23 rangi a really simple thing to do would be to link to a review on idreamofbooks there, if there is a way to craft a url to get to a review 23:22 rangi see the box on the right, with the print/add to cart 23:21 rangi http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=325# 23:21 rangi yeah if you had a snippet of jquery that would work with the api to insert pretty stuff into a div or span, we could do a mock up really fast 23:20 idreambooks hmm... 23:18 jcamins There's a system preference that allows you to add arbitrary Javascript/jQuery to the OPAC, which is how I'd do the mockup. 23:17 jcamins (it wouldn't be viable as a solution to the "let's integrate Koha and idreambooks.com" issue generally, but a screen capture of cool things you can do is never a bad idea) 23:16 jcamins If you already have Javascript that will process that, you could set up a mockup really quickly without modifying any of Koha's source code. 23:15 jcamins Then again, I might not. 23:15 jcamins I might be the only one who gets confused. 23:15 idreambooks jcamins: hmm...maybe we should give it a separate section just to make it clear 23:15 jcamins Yes, I know. 23:15 rangi you know what they say about assume :) 23:14 jcamins Oh, so it will. I assumed that "example_key" would lead to a broken link. 23:14 idreambooks jcamins: if you click on the link in the grey box it will show you the output 23:13 jcamins You should put a sample of the API output on your API page. 23:13 rangi yeah, hopefully that google ranking will change, its improving all the time, the more people who talk about Koha (proper) and link to it etc help 23:13 jcamins Unfortunately they own the koha.org domain. Long, unpleasant story. 23:12 idreambooks hmm...yeah their result shows up first on google and I thought I needed to get in touch with them. It was a bit confusing. Luckily found you guys through wikipedia :) 23:12 jcamins Right. 23:11 rangi yeah its hard to know 23:11 rangi or at least, sporadically, and not openly developed 23:11 jcamins Well, one is, one isn't. I think. It's hard to know what exactly they're doing. 23:11 jcamins Their project is now closed source. 23:11 jenkins_koha Starting build #157 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 23:11 rangi what he said :) 23:10 rangi liblime forked from the community a while ago, they run their own project 23:10 jcamins LibLime is a company that forked the open source project a while ago. 23:10 jcamins koha-community.org is the website for an open source project. 23:10 jcamins File the bug first. 23:10 idreambooks what is the difference between koha-community and liblime? 23:09 idreambooks thanks! 23:09 idreambooks ok...so i'll follow the steps you outlined: install koha, file a bug, write a patch and so on 23:09 jcamins It's a very cool-looking site. :) 23:08 idreambooks we want to be the go to place for book reviews like rottentomatoes is for movies 23:08 idreambooks yes we are adding more every day 23:08 jcamins Ooh, you have more reviews now. 23:07 jcamins Yes, definitely necessary to file the bug. 23:07 idreambooks cool...yeah we'd love to work with you guys 23:06 rangi the first thing would be definitely filing an enhancement request at bugs.koha-community.org 23:06 jcamins Ah, nifty. Greg was talking about your site a few weeks ago. 23:06 idreambooks I just sent her an email too 23:06 idreambooks We were contacted by Liz Rea about a month ago 23:05 jcamins idreambooks: oh, did Greg Lawson contact you? 23:05 idreambooks yes, we use github 23:05 idreambooks jcamins: thanks. i am from a site called idreambooks.com and we just released an API (idreambooks.com/api). We aggregate professional critic reviews or editorial reviews from sources like nytimes to come up with a rating of high quality. We were wondering whether we could work with you guys to get our ratings incorporated into Koho 23:05 rangi and that 23:05 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Bug-enhancement-patch_Workflow 23:05 jcamins Cool, wahanui knew that one. 23:05 wahanui coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 23:05 jcamins coding guidelines? 23:05 jcamins And that. 23:05 rangi http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Coding_Guidelines 23:05 jcamins ^^ you should read that either way 23:04 wahanui git is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Version_Control_Using_Git 23:04 jcamins git? 23:04 jcamins And you get added to the history file. 23:04 rangi have you used git before? 23:04 jcamins Then it gets pushed into Koha. 23:04 jcamins Then it goes through QA. 23:04 jcamins At that point, someone else has to test it and "sign off" that it works. 23:04 jcamins Then, you write your patch, and submit it by sending it to the patches mailing list and attaching it to the bug. 23:03 jcamins (you do this whether it is a bug or an enhancement) 23:03 jcamins idreambooks: then, you file a bug at bugs.koha-community.org 23:03 jcamins idreambooks: first, you install Koha. 23:01 idreambooks if a developer wants to make changes to the source code, what is the process? 23:01 idreambooks hey guys, i have a question about contributing to koha ils 22:56 rangi yes, it does :) 22:43 jcamins Right, patch fixes Items problem. 22:42 jcamins Wait, I already applied all the patches. 22:42 jcamins Also, both pass on my system. 22:41 jcamins rangi: are you sure about that patch? It doesn't touch XISBN. 22:38 jcamins What have I done? 22:06 rangi -16 22:06 rangi not as bad as pauls 2nd user tho 22:06 rangi dropped me down 22:05 rangi http://jenkins.koha-community.org/cigame/? 22:05 rangi i got caught in the failing tests one 22:05 rangi dangit 21:59 wizzyrea I may have to be more verbose. 21:59 * wizzyrea now considers every word typed a step towards the ultimate goal of topping kados in #koha IRC words. 21:59 wizzyrea lol 21:59 * ibeardslee nods 21:59 rangi yeah i talk some crap 21:59 wizzyrea it would be hard for anybody to top you in IRC words though 21:59 rangi kf needs to pass him on 0-5 21:58 * wizzyrea does not want to imagine that 21:58 wizzyrea ew 21:58 rangi not of me 21:58 wizzyrea he was on top for a while. 21:58 wizzyrea but still. 21:58 wizzyrea i mean, probably less. 21:58 wizzyrea wow it's taken 1281 days for people to overtake him. 21:55 rangi thousands of people all over the world echo that sentiment 21:55 wizzyrea I'LL GET YOU! JUST YOU WAIT. 21:55 rangi well its a static target 21:54 rangi :) 21:54 * wizzyrea is going to have to work harder to catch kados. 21:53 wizzyrea kf's quote is pretty priceless too 21:52 wizzyrea lol best quote ever. 21:46 rangi http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ 21:45 rangi heh 21:44 wizzyrea snizzle! 21:44 wizzyrea ooo, on my birthday! 21:44 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #149: "mtj: DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!! DEVELOPERS!!!" (added by druthb at 01:15 AM, August 26, 2011) 21:44 wizzyrea @quote random 21:22 rangi rerunning stats now 21:22 jcamins Significantly more words. 21:22 wizzyrea I haven't been very talkative lately 21:22 wizzyrea :) 21:22 jcamins Ooh... I've had almost as many lines on #koha as wizzyrea. 21:19 wizzyrea i forgot about that one 21:19 * wizzyrea giggles 21:19 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 06:36 PM, July 06, 2009) 21:19 wizzyrea @quote random 21:18 rangi enjoy the ride, watch out for stopped cars :P 21:18 jcamins Cool! 21:18 rangi well done! 21:17 halcyonCorsair takes you all the way up to where you can run the web installer 21:17 halcyonCorsair now... I'm going riding 21:16 halcyonCorsair rangi: jcamins: first cut: (node.json for chef solo) https://gist.github.com/3644826, and cookbook for chef https://github.com/halcyonCorsair/chef-koha to work with this vagrant (vagrantup.com) box http://files.vagrantup.com/precise64.box 21:00 gmcharlt jcamins++ 21:00 jcamins vi keybindings 20:59 jcamins You know what LibreOffice needs? 20:41 kathryn thanks! 20:41 cait have a nice day kathryn :) 20:41 kathryn hi/bye cait :) 20:41 trea night cait 20:41 cait good night #koha 20:41 huginn cait: Quote #204: "jcamins: It makes me feel like MARC has failed me." (added by chris_n at 05:37 PM, May 11, 2012) 20:41 cait @quote random 20:40 trea heh 20:40 huginn jcamins: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009) 20:40 jcamins @quote get 1 20:40 huginn trea: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready 20:40 trea @quote 1 20:35 libsysguy wow that one is old 20:35 huginn libsysguy: Quote #28: "<owen> I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around all day remembering *everything* I say." (added by jdavidb at 01:14 PM, September 01, 2009) 20:35 libsysguy @quote random 20:35 huginn libsysguy: Karma for "libsysguy" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28. 20:35 libsysguy @karma libsysguy 20:31 drojf in that case it doesn't 20:30 libsysguy i guess case doesn't matter 20:30 huginn libsysguy: Karma for "ie" has been increased 0 times and decreased 50 times for a total karma of -50. 20:30 libsysguy @karma ie 20:30 drojf lol 20:30 huginn drojf: Karma for "IE" has been increased 0 times and decreased 50 times for a total karma of -50. 20:30 drojf @karma IE 20:29 drojf is that still a thing? 20:28 cait ie-- 20:28 cait IE-- 20:27 libsysguy that is all 20:27 libsysguy unit-tests++ 20:27 libsysguy documentation++ 20:27 libsysguy codebase-- 20:27 libsysguy codebase-- 20:26 jcamins IE-- # it cannot be said enough 20:26 trea ^^ 20:26 gmcharlt IE-- 20:26 gmcharlt IE-- 20:26 gmcharlt IE-- 20:25 wizzyrea wb 20:25 rangi back 20:12 libsysguy and I have no idea what is happening for the t-prefix filter 20:12 libsysguy I am writing the unit tests for C4::Circulation 20:11 libsysguy anybody have any experience with t-prefixed barcodes 20:10 drojf good night mbalmer 20:10 * mbalmer pulls out. gn8 20:09 jcamins drojf: thank goodness! :P 20:09 mbalmer but then your library can be happy to have someone like you... 20:08 drojf mbalmer: yes, it seems not that many libraries are as adventurous as we are and just want to do it all themselves ;) 20:07 mbalmer (gives potential users a better feeling when they know there are several "companies" that can help them, and that will help koha to gain "market share"; I hope) 20:07 mbalmer it will have nothing to do with my other involvement in switzerland, I plan to even mention BSZ as a "Koha company" 20:06 drojf nice 20:06 mbalmer yes, I hope so. 20:05 drojf mbalmer: will you be doing a general koha talk in konstanz? 20:05 rangi My stop bbiab 19:56 mbalmer I hope to get some jump on the train in .ch…. 19:54 karra We have one Koha museum in Finland, btw, 19:52 karra But this is academic question now, since my public library has Donald Duck cartoon extra leaflet moded in local finnish dialects- And I am happy to use IRC for the first time in my life. Thanks for your time. 19:52 mbalmer jcamins, yes, it interesting, since I am doing museum stuff, and this might open doors... 19:51 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #817: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/817/ 19:51 cait night mbalmer 19:51 jcamins mbalmer: probably most museums. 19:51 mbalmer slowly time to pull out, switzerland is dark... 19:49 jcamins karra: it's easy. :) 19:49 mbalmer amazing how many museums also have libraries of a kind... 19:49 karra actuqally the issue has a dialect appendix.. :)) bound.. 19:48 karra jcamins, thanks, good stuff, but I doubt I lone public librarian shall take on your advice. 19:48 jcamins A dialect issue is a "special issue." An issue which happens to have an article by your favorite author is an issue that is special. ;) 19:47 karra :) but im fine here, perfect! to have you with this.. 19:47 karra Okei. .. hrm, actually I thought i meant issue that is special. 19:46 jcamins Basically what you suggested originally, but I objected to because I didn't realize you meant special issue (and not "issue that is special"). 19:46 jcamins Then add a 775 to the serial record, pointing at the new issue record. 19:46 jcamins Give it a 773 referring to the serial record. 19:46 mveron Good night #koha 19:46 karra ok. 19:46 jcamins Then, you create a new record for your special issue. 19:45 jcamins To record it received. 19:45 jcamins karra: you receive the special issue as usual. 19:45 drojf ah. yes 19:45 karra (but why marc, for how long) :) 19:45 jcamins Having it at all is crazy. 19:45 drojf okay 19:45 drojf i assumed it wouldn't 19:45 mbalmer long live ISO 2709… (not) 19:45 jcamins Almost the same. 19:45 jcamins drojf: no. 19:45 drojf jcamins: is NORMARC very different from MARC21? 19:45 mbalmer MARC is fun, actually…. 19:45 karra Finland. 19:44 karra Finnboy 19:44 karra scares me to chance issue item type to book 19:44 jcamins NORMARC is crazy. 19:44 rangi Where is karra from? 19:44 jcamins Good. 19:44 karra marc21 19:44 jcamins You use NORMARC/MARC21, yes? 19:44 jcamins It's going to make less sense to a tech. ;) 19:44 jcamins karra: it's a librarian thing. 19:43 karra jcamins: Oookei, thanks, Ill ask by tech buddy what that means. :) )) 19:43 wajasu sweet 19:43 cait rangi: yay :) 19:42 jcamins karra: in this case, you can do an *issue* analytic and add 773/775s. 19:42 rangi I think that is a new record, kids fed, dressed, lunches made and on the bus in 46 minutes 19:41 wajasu jcamins: is karra trying to categorize valuables issues for circulation purposes? what about a koha item_type? 19:41 karra Golden!:) 19:41 * jcamins thought you meant "regular issue that you consider special." 19:41 pikin tnx man 19:41 jcamins karra: ohhh. Special issues. 19:40 karra The real life here is that I have a copy of a cartoon serial w dialect special issue. Just one. And I can not catalogue it as a serial issue for patrons to find. 19:40 mbalmer invest an afternoon, I'd say. and you, pikin, get an Koha up and running 19:40 mbalmer get vmware workstation, install debian squeeze, follow the instructions on the koha-community wiki. 19:39 pikin k i understand tnx. 19:39 jcamins pikin: I can't explain setting up Koha on a VM for you. It's somewhat complicated, and the work I'm getting paid for comes first. 19:38 jcamins If they have separate titles, treat them as a monographic series, and give each issue a record. 19:38 jcamins karra: if the issues do not have separate titles, you will just end up with a lot of records for the same thing. 19:38 pikin sori 19:38 jcamins Typing is very slow. 19:38 jcamins I have terrible lag. 19:37 karra thanks jcamins yeaa, i know, im just helping myself. bc items do not.. 19:37 pikin how 19:37 jcamins pikin: only by installing Linux in a virtual machine. 19:37 pikin can i install koha on my corei3 window 7 pc? 19:36 jcamins karra: no, that's not such a good idea. 19:36 karra I mean remarkable issues separately, 19:35 karra or i should catalouge my valuables... :) 19:35 cait jcamins: makes sense to me 19:35 * jcamins would use analytics. 19:34 cait or you could use the notes maybe, but formatting would get a bit messy 19:34 jcamins cait: one should never create individual bibs for each issue. 19:34 karra uuh, ok, i think i see. 19:34 cait it would have to be serial - analytic 19:34 cait but koha doesn't support that structure right now serial - issue -analytic (article) 19:33 karra hey, im only a librarian.. :D 19:33 cait or put them in th enotes 19:33 cait you coudl do analytics records for those articles 19:33 karra How do I make a working note of the content, related to the item/issue. (sorry I have not read all the manual yet..):) 19:32 karra But all in all, it is easily imaginable that you had a issue of a serial with important articles. 19:31 cait subscription information is in the database - that wouldn't work so easy 19:31 karra Ok, thanks. 19:31 cait so you could index it easily if it was not searchable 19:31 cait but the items information is in th emarc 19:31 cait I don't know without testing 19:30 karra So, cait, they are real items, but can serach find the items notes, its not a big deal, but interests me:)) 19:29 karra Further, the selfbrowsing w serials is of no use... :( --> http://hailuoto.virtuaalitehdas.fi/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=2&shelfbrowse_itemnumber=306#shelfbrowser 19:27 karra THis is an item note, yess?? 19:27 karra from.. 19:27 karra ok? but.. 19:26 cait but not the fields from the subscriptions 19:26 cait karra: it depends, if its real items they are searchable ai think or you could make them searchable 19:26 karra Can it be worked somehow? 19:26 karra with a note, but it or likes of it do not get found. 19:26 karra As I have item 2011/22 there http://hailuoto.virtuaalitehdas.fi/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=2&viewallitems=1#holdings 19:25 drojf so no idea from me 19:25 * drojf still has not touched serials in koha 19:24 karra :) 19:24 karra ok? 19:24 karra But not to search by patrons? 19:24 karra and they have notes 19:24 karra Serial collection has, items. 19:23 cait karra: sorry, I don#t understand it :( can you give a use case? 19:23 karra Hey, listen, Another thing. Are there any opac searchable fields in Serial Item records? 19:23 * thd does laundry and prays that headache inducing summer weather ends today. 19:21 nengard yup 19:21 thd nengard: My experiments have only involved smaller numbers of records and when I delete I usually purge everything. 19:20 thd nengard: OK, thanks for the clarification. 19:20 gbengaadara cait: ok. will try that 19:20 cait gbengaadara: it was a while ago, not sure who it was and if it will work on current version 19:20 nengard it's not an interface functionality issue like you said - it's a missing feature ? if there are 999 titles you can delete the bibs as well, but if there are 1000+ you can't delete the bib records 19:19 cait gbengaadara: i think a mail to the mailing list may make it show up perhaps 19:19 thd nengard: Are you saying that a low level delete of over 1000 records would work fine but the friendly form would not appear? 19:19 gbengaadara cait: Thanks. Any advice on how i can track the script down 19:19 thd nengard: I am confused about your last sentence. 19:18 nengard so it's not design issue 19:18 nengard well i understand the html form not being created with that many titles, but the option to delete the bibs should still be there 19:18 thd nengard: Is this strictly a friendly interface functionality issue where the HTML form is not created? 19:17 cait gbengaadara: i think currently not - I think someone had an alternative fines script doing that, but it's not in koha 19:16 karra ur welcome, :) 19:16 gbengaadara A library wants fines implemented this way: N5 for the first 10 days then N10 subsequently. Is there a work around to do this in Koha? 19:16 pikin tnx man 19:15 karra pikin: for a start you could read normal Wikipedia, and Koha has wonderful story form 1990-s. 19:14 thd nengard: Are you stating that the manual is informing the user how to work around the bug/limitation? 19:14 pikin thanks guys u r nice.. 19:14 slef pikin: I don't understand and now I must go. Maybe others here can help. 19:14 nengard right, over 1000 19:13 huginn 04Bug 8246: major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't delete bibs in big batch delete 19:13 thd nengard: You reported http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8246 . 19:13 pikin books etc 19:13 pikin to data 19:13 nengard thd from the manual "If your file (or list of scanned barcodes) has more than 1000 barcodes, Koha will be unable to present you with a list of the items. " 19:13 slef pikin: subscribe to what? 19:12 nengard thd bug number? 19:12 pikin how to subscribe 19:12 mbalmer please, MARC BALMER records... 19:12 pikin stage MARC records 19:12 pikin yea 19:12 thd ... Do you know something about the number of records required for triggering the bug? 19:11 slef pikin: it depends what sort of data, but maybe Tools: Stage MARC records for import 19:11 thd The bug about batch deletions ... 19:11 eythian bye all 19:11 nengard yes 19:10 thd nengard: are you here? 19:10 pikin ok tnx 4 the infor 19:10 pikin how to upload data in koha 19:09 Viktor pikin From install to using Koha? 19:09 gbengaadara Pikin: Projektlink Konsult is having a 3 day training on Koha 3.8 in Ibadan 11th - 13th Sept if you are intrested 19:09 wahanui okay, eythian. 19:09 eythian no wahanui, the difference between a duck is that one of its legs is both the same. 19:09 wahanui wish i knew, slef 19:09 slef wahanui: download? 19:09 pikin the whle package 19:09 magnuse have fun #koha! 19:09 wahanui hmmm... the difference between a duck is that one of its legs is the same 19:09 slef wahanui: what is the difference between a duck? 19:09 mveron drojf: We know about 6 libraries 19:08 pikin an my school is a new unversity 19:08 mbalmer drojf, even... 19:08 mbalmer drojy, a handful 19:08 jcamins pikin: so far you haven't told us what you need help with. 19:08 slef pikin: ask here, see http://koha-community.org/support/ 19:08 pikin it new in my place Nigeria 19:08 drojf mbalmer: how many koha libraries do you have in ch? 19:08 * paul_p suggest once again that everyone moves to the same TZ, and will ask UN for that decision. Should be easier than deciding something for Syriah ! 19:08 eythian amusingly, they have it in Germany :) 19:07 mbalmer BIS = Librarians in Switzerland 19:07 mbalmer next week will be the BIS Kongress in Konstanz, near Switzerland, with a strong Koha presence 19:07 wahanui okay, jcamins. 19:07 jcamins slef is also but I don't want to say anything bad about him lest he smack me 19:07 eythian later paul_p 19:07 pikin how can i get help 19:07 paul_p eythian = well, oceanian in europe those days ;-) 19:07 eythian paul_p: but it's still night time for me! 19:07 mveron Bonne nuit paul_p 19:07 wahanui slef is probably probably busy so please use http://www.software.coop/contact/ if you need him for work 19:07 jcamins slef? 19:07 paul_p eythian = you're oceanians, isn't it ? 19:06 eythian paul_p: hey, you missed me in that! 19:06 wahanui slef: i don't know 19:06 slef wahanui: why? 19:06 Viktor The manual is good for looking up stuff - but do we have any sort of shorter general introduction to Koha? 19:06 wahanui eythian: huh? 19:06 eythian wahanui: don't talk to slef 19:06 paul_p bye bye everyone. Good day to americans, oceanians and asians. Sweet dreams to africans & europeans ;-) 19:06 wahanui slef: excuse me? 19:06 slef wahanui: TALK TO ME BABAY! 19:06 pikin dont hv any 19:06 cait ouch 19:06 cait lol 19:06 talljoy lol 19:05 * slef slaps wahanui upside the dead 19:05 pikin k 19:05 slef live dvd? 19:05 slef dvd? 19:05 slef livedvd? 19:05 jcamins ^^ that's worth reading through 19:05 wahanui i guess manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation 19:05 jcamins manual? 19:05 pikin just want 2 learn 19:05 wahanui "What are you trying to do?" "What is the goal?" or "What problem are you experiencing?" 19:05 slef first question? 19:05 cait and why is there template code in a pl file? :( 19:05 jcamins_away pikin: if you have a question, now that the meeting is over you may ask it. If you want in-depth support, there are vendors you can hire for support. 19:05 drojf cait++ 19:05 slef pikin: what's the problem? Sorry for the delay 19:05 cait it seems they didn't get updated with the translation scripts then? 19:04 wajasu ok 19:04 talljoy cait++ 19:04 cait wajasu: hm maybe file a bug for it? 19:04 mveron cait ++ 19:04 huginn Log: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-09-05-17.59.log.html 19:04 huginn Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-09-05-17.59.txt 19:04 huginn Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-09-05-17.59.html 19:04 huginn Meeting ended Wed Sep 5 19:02:07 2012 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) 19:04 cait #endmeeting 19:04 pikin hey guys am a novice in koha,pls i need help,this is my email voachanya@fudutsinma.edu.ng 19:04 wajasu anyone using smsoverdues.pl? or rss.pl? cronjobs they are coded with HTML::Template::Pro. 19:04 cait so - end meeting warning - someone with another serious topic? 19:03 cait as we have already decided on a next date - I am going to end the meeting. and then we can talk about this ;) 19:03 drojf bad bot, no cookie 19:03 drojf heh 19:03 wahanui berlin is too small :) 19:03 drojf berlin? 19:02 mbalmer Frick? 19:02 cait or we could rotate... 19:02 mveron Basel? 19:02 cait not at all 19:02 cait and this doesn't mean I am against it 19:02 cait I think we would have to move into one city altogether for this 19:02 slef 365-day kohacons I think 19:02 cait now - what did we miss before? any new topics? 19:01 cait ok :) 19:01 cait #topic Miscellaneous 19:01 cait ok, in any case, moving on to next, because any topic will fit there 19:01 slef NAFAIK 19:00 cait so is there any action we should deal with? 19:00 * oleonard must leave 19:00 slef move on now 19:00 cait I see no open #action items on last meeting's agenda http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-08-08-02.01.html 19:00 cait #topic Actions from General IRC meeting, 8th August 2012 19:00 thd oleanard++ 19:00 mveron +1 19:00 cait ready to move on now? :) 19:00 cait yes, that's waht I would suggest 19:00 thd I think that we can see if there is time to make an announcement or something after the primary voting business of the meeting. 19:00 drojf and if power left 19:00 drojf if any 19:00 drojf +1 for voting as long as it takes and then other things 19:00 cait but that's only my opinion on this 18:59 cait and if it's only 2 hours by then... maybe make another date for a meeting sooner than in one month 18:59 oleonard We're human, flexible, and can accommodate necessary changes at the time of the meeting 18:59 cait I don't think we have to be as strict, but we should strictly deal with voting first 18:59 thd I think it is a problem to absolutely exclude all other business 18:59 drojf no idea 18:59 slef what are we waiting for? 18:58 thd Sorry 18:58 * rangi is really gone now 18:58 rangi you cant tell the chair to wait one minute 18:58 rangi and that is why ppl dont want to be chair :) 18:58 thd wait one moment please cait. 18:57 thd I think that voting had at least been understood to be the primary purpose of the next meeting. 18:57 cait ok, next topic 18:57 magnuse feel free to edit: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_10_October_2012 :-) 18:57 * rangi has to go 18:56 cait ok, speak up if you disagree with "only" - if not I am moving on :) 18:56 thd slef: At the end of the voting we could vote on including other business :) 18:56 drojf agreed on 18:56 drojf so everybody voted for something else? it's nice that we agreed for something :) 18:55 cait ok, next on the list of topics is... 18:55 * slef thought we were voting on next meeting making the decision, not on voting being the only topic. *shrug* Up to the rest of you. 18:55 magnuse but if i was the only one wondering i'll keep schtumm 18:55 cait I think we can slip a short update in , but probably will have lots of discussion about proposals and votes 18:54 magnuse ok, i was unsure if i was understanding correctly 18:54 pikin am confused 18:54 * oleonard thought we were voting on whether the senior lounge should have a foosball table 18:54 pikin k 18:54 rangi it will be long enough anyway 18:54 rangi yeah but not during that meeting 18:54 slef we'll be part way through the freeze won't we? So an update would be good 18:54 rangi < cait> ok, please vote if that's ok for you or not, and I am going to check the time for next meeting 18:53 cait magnuse had a question about it, only making sure it's ok 18:53 rangi i thought that was what we voted for? 18:52 cait if it will be only a vote meeting or other topics too 18:52 rangi what? 18:52 cait now for only or not - magnuse - should we change that? 18:52 cait ok 18:52 cait #agreed next IRC meeting will be on 10th october at 10 UTC+0 18:52 paul_p +1 18:51 rangi +1 18:51 talljoy +1 18:51 talljoy +! 18:51 Viktor +1 18:51 mveron +1 18:51 thd +1 18:51 ColinC +10 18:51 karra +1 18:51 cait +1 18:51 gbengaadara +1 18:51 druthb +1 18:51 oleonard +1 18:51 drojf +1 18:51 magnuse +1 18:50 cait please 18:50 cait lets have a vote on 10/10 10 UTC 18:50 pikin k 18:50 magnuse nope 18:50 cait someone wants to veto? 18:50 drojf i like it 18:50 rangi lets do that 18:50 cait sounds good to me 18:50 rangi easy 18:50 oleonard 10/10 at 10? 18:50 rangi yes it is 10 UTC cait 18:49 cait maybe better to have another meeting short after to keep it a bit shorter? or only urgent topics? 18:49 slef pikin: can you wait a few minutes and someone will help you? If not, I'll open a direct chat. 18:49 jwagner pikin, give it about half an hour and ask again 18:49 cait maybe top priority? but it might get long 18:49 rangi pikin, we are in a meeting, please wait until it is finished 18:49 talljoy +1 18:49 mbalmer pkin, we are in a general meeting 18:49 cait ah, that was my question, sorry 18:48 magnuse "only" as in that will be the only business at that meeting? 18:48 pikin am a novice 18:48 cait as we are on 18 now and have had 2 before, I think the time fo the next meeting is 10 UTC+0 18:48 magnuse um... 18:48 pikin pls i realy need 2 learn about koha 18:48 cait ok 18:48 cait #agreed next IRC meeting will be voting on roles for 3.12 only 18:47 bag +1 18:47 gbengaadara +1 18:47 libsysguy +1 18:47 karra +1 18:47 eythian +1 18:47 oleonard +1 18:47 Viktor +1 18:47 druthb +1 18:46 drojf +1 18:46 rangi +1 18:46 pikin ok 18:46 thd +1 18:46 cait +1 for me also 18:46 cait ok, please vote if that's ok for you or not, and I am going to check the time for next meeting 18:46 jwagner +1 18:46 magnuse +1 18:46 slef +1 18:46 drojf i think so 18:45 cait ok, so we are voting on making the next meeting a voting meeting only? 18:45 cait ok 18:45 cait excellent 18:45 cait #action someone (maybe drojf) is going to send a reminder to the list with missing roles and the voting date 18:45 ColinC +1 18:45 rangi yep 18:45 drojf cait: ok i'll send an email if it has not to be tonight 18:45 oleonard And if we don't have volunteers for each role we take who we can get later? 18:45 paul_p +1 18:45 mveron +1 18:45 drojf +1 18:45 druthb +1 18:44 cait drojf: persuaded? 18:44 magnuse +1 18:44 cait I agree 18:44 rangi we should make that the voting day maybe 18:44 rangi next month meeting 18:44 drojf well before… is next time?! 18:44 cait drojf: can you send a mail? with the date and missing roles? :) 18:44 cait and it should happen well before 3.10 release 18:43 cait we have to decide about that today 18:43 drojf when is voting for the roles supposed to happen? or did i just miss that? 18:43 cait not me 18:43 rangi noting the areas we are missing volunteers 18:43 cait ok, who can we volunteer for that 18:43 cait #info idea: rotate meeting chairs 18:43 rangi and not me 18:43 rangi i propose someone sends another mail to the lists 18:43 cait # idea: rotate meeting chairs 18:43 jenkins_koha Starting build #817 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 3 days ago) 18:43 cait what can we note down? 18:43 cait ok 18:42 cait drojf: heh 18:42 paul_p cait, yep, Samuel, thx 18:42 drojf i bet pootle runs fine from a raspberry pi inside the bsz headquaters 18:42 cait Samuel ? 18:42 * paul_p don't remember his name... 18:42 paul_p cait = we also had another frenchy as TM-assistant, this round 18:42 cait yep 18:42 rangi the TM manager needs to run pootle 18:41 cait and I am only offering to assist 18:41 magnuse paul_p++ 18:41 cait I haven't heard from fredericd if he wants to continue 18:41 wahanui okay, cait. 18:41 cait we are also missing a translation manager it seems 18:41 cait ah right 18:41 drojf ancient patch signoffer. cool role! 18:41 * druthb would like to help out cait with the TM role a bit; recent work on Arabic has sparked her interest. 18:41 mbalmer if mveron is a bug wrangler, I can always try hard to introduce new bugs... 18:41 mveron paul_p++ 18:41 cait and not easy, but would be brilliant 18:41 cait paul_p: that would still be a very good promise :) 18:40 thd If you can stretch yourself very thin, that is a talent. 18:40 * paul_p think he will just promize to dedicate half a day every week to signoff the 5 oldest patches in the "need signoff" queue. But I still hesitate to join as QA-A also 18:40 mveron for talented... 18:40 mveron :-) 18:40 druthb "manic?" 18:40 magnuse hehe 18:40 jwagner talented? 18:40 cait mbalmer: i would do it - but I think there is a word for people with too many roles 18:40 talljoy #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions 18:39 thd rangi++ 18:39 mbalmer me not, sunce cait does not want that role apparently, or am I wrong? 18:39 rangi gotta have people to rotate it too 18:39 libsysguy heh 18:39 magnuse lots of *Assistant* QA Managers, though 18:39 thd There is a proposal for rotating meeting chair. 18:39 * druthb seconds jwagner's nomination of cait for meeting chair. 18:38 jwagner cait, it's called multi-tasking :-) 18:38 cait and there are some times that would be pretty hard for me to do 18:38 mbalmer it hits my eye that there is no QA manager, which seems important 18:38 cait i already signed up for 2 roles 18:38 * jwagner nominates cait for meeting chair! 18:38 rangi we still need translation manager, QA manager and chair 18:38 oleonard #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Roles_for_3.12 18:37 cait can someone #link the proposals please? 18:37 * slef ducks and covers from the cait topicbombs 18:37 cait #topic Roles for 3.12 18:37 cait topic change warning 18:37 jwagner cait++ 18:37 cait even if it's fun 18:37 wahanui -60 18:37 mbalmer 90-60-90 18:36 cait but now we are going off topic - I am going to make you discuss that in miscellaneous 18:36 slef At Wellington/Levin KohaCon, there was a bus to Levin for a civic reception and a powhiri(spelling! and maybe the wrong word!) 18:36 paul_p mveron++ 18:36 drojf maybe i can do 3-1-14 if i fo koha camping 18:36 wahanui -20 18:36 druthb 1-7-14? 18:36 wahanui -359 18:36 mveron 3 - 1- 361 ? 18:36 paul_p but I would prefer 3-1-14 as oleonard suggested ;-) 18:36 cait ok :) 18:36 paul_p mbalmer = that's an option ;-) 18:36 rangi heh 18:36 drojf rangi: don't forget the sea we almost saw :) 18:36 mbalmer sp we should really do 1-7-1 18:36 paul_p mbalmer = Edinburgh KohaCon was different than others. On others, we had an organised event. Very interesting & important for socializing. 18:35 cait aw 18:35 mveron ...so we could do some more ad hoc work on Koha 18:35 rangi even in the rain 18:35 druthb The Mumbai 1 was quite fun, too. 18:35 slef We tried but nothing quite seemed to come together for that day. 18:35 rangi i enjoyed riding the bus around edinburgh with my friends 18:35 mveron ...it was raining... 18:35 slef Yeah, well, the Edinburgh 1 wasn't as good as the Wellington/Levin 1. 18:34 Viktor I did not see the point of 1 until attending Edinburgh and missing out on the social by having to go home. 18:34 thd and sleeping in case you had lost sleep with all your all night coding. 18:34 drojf that's nothing mbalmer would do :P 18:34 cait getting to know each other and actually see something of the foreign place you are at? :) 18:34 oleonard Being social, sightseeing, etc. 18:34 mbalmer it just means spending more money on hotel 18:34 mbalmer what is -1- good for? 18:34 * druthb proposes founding KohaColony: a place where That's What We Do. 18:33 * drojf proposed someone sponsoring me for that time 18:33 * thd is now ready for topic change. Thanks. 18:33 * cait votes for that 18:33 * oleonard proposes 3-1-14 18:33 slef but I think it may change if one of the bids is brilliant and requires it to change 18:33 cait it seemed to work well for the last conferences 18:32 slef 3 days conference, 1 day social, 3 days hackfest 18:32 oleonard Three days conference, one day off, three days hackfest 18:32 thd slef: What is 3-1-3? 18:32 karra :)) 18:32 cait :) 18:32 thd wait 18:32 cait so warning - going to change the topic :) 18:31 cait ok 18:31 slef #info basically 3-1-3 pattern and they're getting bids from venues before fixing more details. More meetings to follow 18:31 bag cait you are correct - that's a decent summary 18:31 cait I think Nancy said another meting will be called once they got dates and prices for the places 18:31 bag it was quick IRC 18:31 cait ah nice 18:30 slef #link http://meetings.koha-community.org/2012/koha.2012-08-22-15.00.html 18:30 slef how long ago was that? 18:30 cait cn you give a short summary? 18:30 thd sorry, missed topic change. 18:30 cait yes you were 18:30 slef I think I was at a kohacon13 meeting 18:30 rangi i have 2 kids who are gonna climb all over me any minute now 18:30 cait thd: I think maybe we can put the general discusson ore to the end? 18:29 Oak oh sorry 18:29 rangi lets keep on topic please people :) 18:29 cait ok, if noone is here we could perhaps make a short note about the meeting that was 18:29 thd paul_p: The code base and contributions will inevitable grow to the point where no mere mortal can sanely undertake the task alone. 18:29 huginn Oak: The operation succeeded. 18:29 Oak @later tell Brooke cait did great at the meeting :) 18:29 rangi no kohacon13 people? 18:29 cait thx 18:29 magnuse cait++ 18:28 jwagner cait, you're doing fine -- it's a nice pace as far as I'm concerned :-) 18:28 paul_p oleonard = you haven't seen the pm I've sent to jcamins_away when he applied ;-) I really tried to discourage him, to be sure he was really wanting the job :D 18:28 Oak even paul_p will miss it when he's no longer RM. he'll tell us for sure. 18:28 oleonard Do we have anyone here who is helping plan KohaCon13? 18:28 cait guess I am too fast as chair today -sorry all 18:28 paul_p thd++ !!! 18:28 thd paul_p: The exhausting parts of the task really need more delegation. 18:28 cait heh 18:28 * oleonard reassures potential future RMs that paul_p is exaggerating and that they'll love it 18:27 paul_p (it's really a lot of responsibility for a single person) 18:27 cait #topic KohaCon2013 18:27 cait ok, I would suggest moving on then 18:27 karra :) 18:27 cait :) 18:27 karra you work so hard, explaining is tough, feel for you 18:27 paul_p (which does not mean I'm happy to be. But 1 year is enough !) 18:26 paul_p to finish with the 3.10 topic, I must say I'm very happy to imagine I've only 2.5 months to wait before not being RM anymore. It's an exhausting task, really ! 18:26 cait ok, do we need more discussion on 3.10/rlease cycle? 18:26 Viktor great 18:25 cait #info paul_p is going to publish the rm newsletter tomorrow 18:25 karra :) sounds great!! 18:25 paul_p Otherwise, things are going well. 18:25 magnuse yay! 18:25 paul_p I also plan to write & publish my RM monthly newsletter tomorrow 18:24 paul_p s/could/should/ 18:23 paul_p maybe I could list ENH that are concerned by the FF, and those that could pass after the FF ! 18:23 cait paul_p++ 18:23 wajasu for a newbie. when and how do documentation patches get applied? to align with the expected things that pass QA. 18:23 cait cool thx! 18:23 paul_p will try to be more clear on koha-devel. 18:23 cait paul_p: hm I think a mail to the list would be great 18:23 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, late 18:23 * paul_p feel i'm a little bit unclear... 18:22 paul_p I don't say I won't push anything on Circulation ! I mean I won't push any ENH that touches Circulation ! (for example) 18:22 * slef goes to fiddle with the fish 18:22 slef #agreed paul_p to send a quick mail to the list explaining the different dates and what they mean 18:22 mbalmer and even if you touch C4, you can fix problems. 18:22 cait i am not sure that can be dealt with a list of files 18:22 cait like breaking the javascript in a template file, breaking the xslt, breaking a simpler perl file 18:22 paul_p For example, the "batch biblio modification" is not core = there's no risk it break something. 18:21 libsysguy indeed 18:21 magnuse a quick mail to the list explaining the different dates and what they mean would be good, i think :-) 18:21 cait even if you don't touch C4 you can break stuff badly 18:21 libsysguy so when is the non-core freeze 18:21 * slef looks at wahanui 18:21 paul_p cait = nope, I distinguish between "core" and "non core". 18:21 wahanui okay, cait. 18:21 cait bag: i am also confused, that's why i am asking, and we shout write it down somewhere 18:21 paul_p Maybe I should write a list of files that should not be modified after the FF 18:21 slef I think this is sometimes called a light freeze, followed later by a deep freeze. 18:20 cait paul_p: so you distinguish between enh and new features? 18:20 paul_p It means I'll will still add Enhancement, but only those that don't deal with the core of Koha. By core, I mean things like Koha.pm, Auth.pm, Circulation, ... 18:20 bag sorry that statement still doesn't make sense to me - but I'm fine with it as is… Maybe next Kohacon someone can explain feature freeze to me 18:20 cait #info so any new feature for 3.10 has to be passed qa on that date 18:19 paul_p yep. 18:19 cait so it has to be passed qa on that date? 18:18 cait ok 18:18 paul_p To insure the best stability, I won't push any patch that adds a feature that touches the core of Koha. 18:18 cait so people don't complain later 18:18 cait I think it would be good to make that very clear and maybe sent a mail on the mailing list 18:18 cait won't you push any new featues, or is it the last day for sign off, or qa... 18:17 cait #info um 3.10 feature freeze will be on 22nd September (last was typo) 18:17 libsysguy only bug fixes 18:17 libsysguy heh no new features in 3.12 18:17 cait oh 18:17 paul_p cait = not 3.12, 3.10 ;-) 18:17 rangi 3.10 18:17 cait I think in the past we had some confusion about what it means 18:16 cait #info 3.12 feature freeze will be on 22nd September 18:16 paul_p cait = can you explain your question ? 18:16 paul_p cait = yep, I still plan FF for sept 22th 18:16 cait and how will you handle it? 18:16 paul_p The "signed off" queue is quite large also. I'll try to work on it next week 18:16 cait I have a question about feature freeze - is it still 22nd september? 18:16 * jcamins runs off. 18:16 mveron paul_p++ 18:15 Oak paul_p++ 18:15 paul_p And some that are waiting for feedback i've asked 18:15 paul_p There are just a few patches related to authorities that I want to test more before pushing. 18:15 oleonard paul_p++ 18:15 magnuse paul_p++ 18:15 paul_p well, I had 80 patches to push when I came back from holiday. Most of them are pushed now 18:14 cait paul_p has the word 18:14 paul_p my turn then ;-) 18:14 cait #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.10 18:14 cait so next topic 18:14 cait ok 18:13 rangi nope thats it 18:13 rangi i think it would give information, probably not useful :) 18:13 cait somethng else for 3.8.x? 18:13 cait ok 18:13 paul_p cait = probably, just suggesting asking on the ML. It's not hard to do and can give us usefull informations ! 18:13 cait rangi: thx 18:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8486 blocker, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Critical error in Koha::Calendar::days_between calculation 18:13 rangi #info bug 8251 and bug 8486 are intertwined and i want them fixed for 3.8.5 18:12 cait paul_p: I think if someone offers to be rmaint he/she probably has an interest in the version to continue 18:12 paul_p oops... 2 "ra-something" ;-) 18:12 rambutan yep 18:12 cait wrong autocomplete I think :) 18:12 rambutan ? 18:12 cait rangi: maybe add the correct bug numbers as #info? I got confused 18:11 rangi not 8246 18:11 paul_p rambutan = still no patch on 8246 ? 18:11 rangi qa 18:11 cait rangi: so we need qa now? or do we still need patches too? 18:11 rangi in, but they need to pass qa and be pushed to master 18:11 slef do we have download stats? 18:10 jcamins That's his/her decision, I think. 18:10 rangi hmm not 8246 the one that is linked to 8251 :) 18:10 paul_p jcamins = if no one is using it, maybe the candidate RMaint will reconsider applying ? 18:10 cait #info 3.8.5 on schedule 18:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8246 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , can't delete bibs in big batch delete 18:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Signed Off , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin 18:10 rangi 3.8.5 is on schedule, i really want bug 8251 and bug 8246 18:10 paul_p so we could see if it's worth the involvement for the RMaint 18:10 jcamins paul_p: why? Do you care? 18:09 rangi yep 18:09 wahanui somebody said here was where I work 18:09 cait rangi: still here? 18:09 paul_p about 3.6, should we ask on the ML how many ppl are still running it ? 18:09 cait #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.8 18:09 cait ok, if noone has questions, we canmove to the next topic 18:08 druthb #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater 18:08 jcamins cait: not yet. I just found out yesterday that this person might consider it. 18:08 cait any questions to jcamins about 3.6.x? 18:08 cait probably not 18:08 cait :) 18:08 cait jcamins: can you disclose whom we have to encourage? 18:07 eythian #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst IT 18:07 jcamins And that's that. 18:07 jcamins I was planning on announcing 3.6.x's EOL for October 22, but I've been told that we may have a volunteer to take over as RMaint, which would be good. 18:07 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway 18:06 jcamins #info 3.6.9 is on schedule 18:06 cait word goes to jcamins 18:06 cait #topic Update on Roadmap to 3.6 18:06 cait ok, I take there are no announcements? so we canmove on to the next topic 18:06 rambutan #info Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library 18:05 gbengaadara #info Olugbenga Adara, Projektlink Konsult, Nigeria 18:05 cait do we have announcements to make? 18:05 Oak #info Arslan Farooq, Pakistan 18:05 cait #topic Announcements 18:05 Viktor #info Viktor Sarge, Regional development council of the Halland region, Sweden. 18:05 cait ok, going to move on 18:05 Viktor cait - Oh, sorry. Thanks! 18:05 melia #info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions, California 18:05 cait in case anyone wonders - Brooke asked me to take over for today :) 18:04 cait Viktor - if you put a #info in front, the meeting logs will get it right :) 18:04 karra #info Kari Blomster, Hailuoto, Finland. 18:04 cait thx slef 18:04 ago43 #info Albert Oller, Bywater, Worcester, MA 18:04 Viktor Viktor Sarge, Regional development council of the Halland Region - Sweden. 18:04 slef #link http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/General_IRC_meeting,_5_September_2012#Agenda 18:04 rangi #info Chris C, Catalyst IT, 3.8.x rmmaint - only here until the kids wake up 18:03 paul_p #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre, France, current Koha Release Manager 18:03 mbalmer #info Marc Balmer, Koha Support Schweiz, www.koha-support.ch 18:03 cait hi paul_p and Viktor - we just started introductions 18:03 mveron #info Marc Véron, marc veron ag (www.veron.ch), Allschwil, Switzerland, member of Koha Support Schweiz 18:03 wajasu #info Walter Sullvan 18:02 bag #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater 18:02 jcamins #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, LLC 18:02 ColinC #info Colin Campbell PTFS-Europe Ltd 18:02 libsysguy #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions, Houston Texas 18:02 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries 18:02 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS 18:02 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City 18:02 cait #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany 18:02 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop, Setchey, Norfolk, England 18:02 cait please introduce yourself with #info at the beginning of the line 18:02 cait welcome to today's Koha IRC meeting 18:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient 18:01 cait #topic Introductions 18:01 wahanui if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me 18:01 huginn Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01 huginn Meeting started Wed Sep 5 17:59:26 2012 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01 cait #startmeeting 18:01 ColinC the more the merrier 18:01 cait let's start 18:01 cait ok 18:01 cait 59 persons in #koha :) 18:01 ColinC hi cait 18:01 cait hi ColinC 17:58 mbalmer please make price suggestions in privmsg, slef... 17:58 slef mbalmer: will you be selling any CDs of confidential data? 17:58 * jcamins will be leaving imminently. 17:57 cait 5 more minutes on my clock 17:57 * mbalmer senses a strong participation from switzerland... 17:57 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #816: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/816/ 17:57 * oleonard has only an hour until he must disappear 17:57 wizzyrea during this time 17:56 wizzyrea arg naturally I have a Very Important Meeting That Is Not This One to participate in >.< 17:56 cait looking for the agenda, then we can start 17:56 cait I think so :) 17:56 slef cait: I'll try. after #startmeeting and #topic Introductions I bet it'll come back to you. 17:56 oleonard Thanks cait 17:55 * mveron waves to everybody 17:55 cait can you help me get the meetbot sorted? :) 17:55 mbalmer meetings are overrated... 17:55 cait Brooke asked me to chair the meeting today 17:55 cait hi slef 17:55 * slef waves at cait 17:38 * cait waves 17:29 Oak hello Brooke :) 17:29 Brooke 0/ 16:58 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 16:58 jcamins @later tell rangi I figured it out. updatedatabase.pl didn't get run. I don't know why. 16:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8728 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , t/db_dependent/Reserve.t test doesn't use resdate and expdate arguments for AddReserve 16:57 wajasu maybe someone can signoff bug 8728 - its easy. just run the Reserves.t in master and see it pass 16:55 rambutan hi cait 16:54 cait hi #koha 16:51 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 16:51 jcamins @later tell rangi Never mind, scads of tests failed twice in a row. Probably not a RAM issue. 16:50 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded. 16:50 jcamins @later tell rangi Did Jenkins run out of RAM? Scads of tests failed. 16:50 * oleonard salutes jenkins_koha and huginn 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6617 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , table of contents not printing right if entered right 16:49 jenkins_koha Starting build #816 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 3 days ago) 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8550 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Z39.50 searches for ISBN/ISSN problematic 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8696 minor, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Master , Tools menu says export bibs still 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8261 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Cannot search system preferences from Local Use tab 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8706 critical, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Private lists can be accessed by anyone 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8704 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Typo in etc/koha-conf.xml 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7784 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Improve clarity of batch modification operations 16:49 jenkins_koha * tomascohen: Bug 6617 - Wrong first indicator value in test 16:49 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display (intranet) 16:49 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8514 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Display of patron results changed display order 16:49 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8550: restore ISSN field to Z39.50 search 16:49 jenkins_koha * nengard: Bug 8696: Update Export bibs on Tool Menu 16:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7613 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ruth, Pushed to Master , OCLC Connexion Gateway, including extension svc/import_bib 16:49 jenkins_koha * fridolyn.somers: Bug 8261: Cannot search system preferences from Local Use tab 16:49 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8706 - Private lists can be accessed by anyone 16:49 jenkins_koha * m.de.rooy: Bug 8704 - Typo in etc/koha-conf.xml 16:49 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 7784 - Improve clarity of batch modification operations 16:49 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8514 Restore Patron Name Display Order 16:49 jenkins_koha * ruth: Bug 7613: OCLC Connexion web service and desktop client, followup patch 16:49 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #815: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/815/ 16:32 magnuse back in 1,5! 16:30 oleonard speedy. 16:24 wajasu i'm just going to submit a bug and patch for the Reseve.t test since expdate was added to AddReserve at http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=C4/Reserves.pm;hb=b7e35a37256054c2a1d07a4fcd965283aa91968e 16:24 magnuse w00t? next question: where are we :-) 16:24 huginn magnuse: YES! 16:24 magnuse @arewethereyet 16:22 gaetan_B bye! 16:19 gmcharlt eythian++ 16:08 eythian http://blog.sudobits.com/2012/08/18/perl-linux-a-linux-distro-for-perl-lovers/ <-- I think this should be the new Koha-recommended distro 16:07 * mtompset waves bye. 16:07 mtompset Well, I know I'll missing the meeting in about 2 hours, but I need sleep. 15:54 khall thanks! 15:53 jcamins khall: that's a pretty nifty trick with slips. 15:53 Oak :) 15:52 jcamins Hehe. 15:52 Oak heh :-D just read your comment drojf. we can start with the smses now... we can text him everyday with a message 'are we there yet?'. getting text messages having international codes of a dozen countries on his phone might keep him smiling. 15:51 magnuse eythian++ 15:50 jcamins An economy of language is devoutly to be wished. 15:50 eythian it's all under 'en' 15:50 jcamins I don't think it's a concern... no one has ever been confused. 15:48 mtompset It should be obvious, but it can't hurt to be explicit. 15:47 mtompset It doesn't expressly say that. 15:47 jcamins But non-English text isn't allowed, period. 15:46 jcamins Nope. 15:46 mtompset So, <insert other language> idiotism is okay? ;) 15:43 jcamins No, "idiotism" is the right word. If it's not translatable, it's kind of an idiotic thing to put in an international project. :P 15:43 mtompset I was wondering... English idiotism? You mean idioms, right? 15:42 eythian magnuse: I'm attempting to rebase the i10n package work btw 15:42 mtompset http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences 15:42 mtompset Greetings, #koha.http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/System_Preferences 15:41 jenkins_koha Starting build #815 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 3 days ago) 15:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8293 critical, P1 - high, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Software error when clicking on first or last result of each page on OPAC 15:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Pushed to Master , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories 15:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8382 normal, P1 - high, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Master , It is not possible to cancel an order when receiving on a filtered page in parcel.pl 15:41 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 8293 : Fixing POD to match actuality. 15:41 jenkins_koha * Paul Poulain: Bug 7621 follow-up DBRev number 15:41 jenkins_koha * veron: BUG 7621 [ENH] Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories 15:41 jenkins_koha * christophe.croullebois: SIGNED-OFF] bug 8382: It is not possible to cancel an order on a filtered page in parcel.pl 15:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #814: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 21 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/814/ 15:38 jcamins Thanks. 15:38 jcamins lol 15:38 drojf we could make koha use asterisk to dial jcamins' number and ask how far he is with fixing koha search every time something does not work. that might bring him closer to the madhouse though 15:36 wizzyrea you know, circ. 15:36 wizzyrea :P 15:35 wizzyrea right after we get holidays and overdues fixed. 15:35 wizzyrea oh it's a great feature 15:35 rambutan wizzyrea: I don't know, I just made that up on the fly. Sounds like a good feature though. 15:35 wizzyrea eythian: i like that one. 15:34 wahanui wizzyrea wants a pony! Someone give them a pony. 15:34 wizzyrea pony? 15:34 jcamins wizzyrea: I think it broke again. 15:34 wizzyrea doesn't asterisk just use csv files for that kind of stuff? 15:34 wahanui eythian wants a pony! Someone give them a pony. 15:34 eythian pony? 15:34 wahanui OK, eythian. 15:34 eythian wahanui: pony is <reply>$who wants a pony! Someone give them a pony. 15:33 wizzyrea the itiva stuff is already done I thought. 15:33 jcamins What on earth is the point of a record that can't be used under the current rules? 15:33 jcamins From the LCNAF: [THIS 1XX FIELD CANNOT BE USED UNDER RDA UNTIL THIS RECORD HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND/OR UPDATED] 15:33 rambutan so now having found somebody to fix search, I want Koha to have hooks to Asterisk so that Koha can autodial patrons with voice announcements telling them when their holds are available for pickup 15:33 jcamins Good grief. 15:32 wizzyrea but strangely cute. 15:31 wizzyrea evil bird is evil! 15:31 wizzyrea ok that picture is scary. 15:31 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded. 15:31 eythian @later tell cait http://i.imgur.com/gYQKw.jpg KAW! 15:29 Joubu bye ! o/ 15:29 rambutan search is actually a great example of fixing problems. While (IMHO) the search issues don't seem to have been a major concern of many Koha users, it's bugged the heck out of my staff 15:27 * jcamins gets frustrated every Friday, when he does work for this one client. 15:27 * Oak hugs jcamins 15:27 Oak jcamins++ 15:27 druthb he's the crazy one with the search-fu itch to scratch. 15:27 Oak p and o are close... so 15:27 Oak oho 15:27 Oak \p/ 15:26 * druthb points at jcamins. 15:26 Oak or she 15:26 Oak guys who is he??? who are we talking about? 15:25 * druthb booms, in her James Earl Jones-ish voice, "The Force is strong in this one." 15:25 druthb neenja! 15:25 wizzyrea mid-20's mutant ninja coder? 15:24 jcamins druthb: it's the radioactive sludge. 15:24 druthb you mean, he's not already? He lives in Queens, after all. 15:24 drojf but i hear they have internet there too these days… 15:24 drojf the question is whether he will be in an insane asylum before he finishes :P 15:24 druthb Something in the water in NYC makes people crazy. 15:24 wajasu :) 15:23 jcamins On the plus side, there's this lunatic who has decided to fix search. 15:23 Oak :) 15:23 drojf fix these things first. and searching. *hides* 15:23 gmcharlt Oak: that's the constant tension -- between the sparkly new stuff and eating our brocolli 15:23 jcamins Oak: in some cases *cough*search*cough* things are so bad that the only choice is starting over. :( 15:23 Oak hmm. good point. but the silly bugs are bugging me 15:23 eythian also, for some of us it depends on what clients want to put money into. 15:22 Oak oh well, i was just thinking 15:22 eythian Oak: if you do that, you'll never reach the shiny stuff 15:22 druthb Oak++ 15:22 Oak *then* talk about the shiny stuff 15:22 wizzyrea oh that's not a dumb question. 15:22 Oak and make koha as rock solid as we can 15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8251 critical, P1 - high, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Patrons are systematically debarred at checkin 15:22 Oak bug 8251 15:22 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8253 blocker, P3, ---, kyle.m.hall, Failed QA , Fine doubling 15:22 Oak bug 8253 15:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8110 blocker, P1 - high, ---, kyle.m.hall, Signed Off , Add tests for Calendar modules 15:21 Oak bug 8110 15:21 wajasu ok. i shored up Reserves.t i just need to know where how to supply a patch 15:21 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8418 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Signed Off , Koha::Calendar is_holiday ignores all user data 15:21 Oak bug 8418 15:21 wahanui OK, eythian. 15:21 eythian wahanui: ask a stupid question is <reply>ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI 15:21 Oak i see the talk about these shiny new features... which are cool. but should not we be first paying attention to things like these: 15:21 * druthb waits for it... 15:21 mbalmer may I ask what Oak wanted to ask? 15:21 gmcharlt Oak: the anticipation is killing us! ;) 15:21 druthb eythian++ 15:21 wizzyrea awesome. 15:21 wizzyrea eythian: <3 15:20 wahanui Don't ask to ask, just ask. 15:20 eythian ask? 15:20 eythian wizzyrea: shortcut: 15:20 * wizzyrea refers you to quote 145 ;) 15:20 Oak listen to the question first wizzyrea ... it's not good 15:20 druthb ah, yes. 15:20 huginn druthb: Quote #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one does not bask in the Potomac River basin...you melt or swelter or something, but you don't bask. :P" (added by jwagner at 01:17 PM, January 24, 2011) 15:20 druthb @quote get 117 15:20 * druthb perks. 15:20 Oak :) 15:20 wizzyrea :) 15:20 huginn wizzyrea: Quote #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:37 PM, July 07, 2011) 15:20 wizzyrea @quote get 145 15:19 jcamins Of course. 15:19 huginn wizzyrea: 9 found: #117: "<druthb> basking ? You bask on the beach...one...", #126: "<rangi> The beauty of Koha is we develop in the...", #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive.......", #145: "Don't ask to ask, just ask!", #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody...", #189: "libsysguy: one need not ask why where there are...", #197: "<chris_n> half-baked things are asking for trouble", #45: (1 more message) 15:19 wizzyrea @quote search ask 15:18 Oak may I ask something stupid? 15:15 wahanui logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ 15:15 Oak logs? 15:14 jcamins The situation changes in an academic institution, of course, where students might want to use their student account card to pay fines. 15:13 jcamins Right, vast majority of uses of an online payment system, not vast majority of fine payments. 15:13 mbalmer imo, most patrons likely prefer to pay on the spot, aka in the library 15:13 jcamins It seems to me any secure service that allows one-off CC payments would cover the vast majority of uses. 15:12 mbalmer saferpay is a well established service and paypal could also be intregated quite easily 15:11 rambutan Since very few patrons would have any given service though, to make it worth coding you'd probably have to find the top five services and hook them all in. 15:11 gmcharlt still, half the battle 15:11 mbalmer well, not for Koha, obviously. 15:10 rambutan "done it before" Ah. OK 15:07 reiveune1 bye 15:06 jcamins rambutan: ^^ useful information 15:06 mbalmer jcamins, I can be hired to integrate Koha with saferpay (done it before) 15:05 kf hope I don't forget 15:05 kf me too 15:05 kf :) 15:05 eythian I should be able to make that. 15:05 eythian 20:00. Hmm 15:04 jcamins 3 hours. 15:04 eythian oh, there's a meeting today 15:04 mbalmer using saferpay, that is 15:04 mbalmer actually it would be rather easy... 15:03 jcamins mbalmer: ah well. I was thinking you might've come across it in preparing to work on your POS interface. 15:03 mbalmer jcamins, nope, I don't know that. 15:02 kf bye all :) 14:51 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period) everyone. :) 14:51 rambutan when rangi signs on I'll ask him about dwolla 14:51 mtompset Sorry I'm going to miss the meeting today. With this cold/cough, sleep is probably the better choice. 14:47 jcamins mbalmer: do you happen to know who was doing work on integrating Koha with online payment services? I know you're integrating it with a POS system. 14:47 wajasu jcamins: ok 14:47 nengard thanks for looking 14:47 kf nengard: sorry about your report - not sure how to do that 14:46 wizzyrea then it must be the hold notices that go straight away 14:45 jcamins wajasu: never mind, he's working on C4::Circulation. 14:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2553 minor, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , alphabetize dropdown menus 14:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8675 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Renewing item to specified date creates a due date with HH:MM set to 00:00 14:45 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 2553 [Serials report] alphabetize dropdown menus 14:45 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8675 Add hours and mins to renewal due date 14:45 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #156: SUCCESS in 2 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/156/ 14:43 wajasu ok 14:43 jcamins rambutan: unfortunately, I can't remember who. 14:42 jcamins rambutan: someone did some work on that. 14:42 jcamins wajasu: check with libsysguy, he might be working on that. 14:35 wajasu looking t t/db_dependent/Reserves.t AddReserve call is missing resdate and expdate in call. I suspect that is not correct. 14:35 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 6617 - Wrong first indicator value in test <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea5c5bf3b4e78d51cc6e3b82f3247906b222a8fd> / Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display (intranet) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a8e71ea93f577403e77cce695a1e00ce9b99e76> / Bug 6617: Improve MARC21 enhanced contents display <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git 14:33 nengard which someone might have said 14:32 nengard you can't have the checkouts or checkins go immediately cause they might be digested so you need a bit of time between checkin and email sending 14:32 kf claims got redone mostly 14:32 kf or some of the claims, but possible it changed with the recent owrk from biblibre :) 14:32 eythian rambutan: oh, good idea. I haven't heard of it, doesn't mean someone hasn't put thought into it though 14:32 kf claims is also another example I think 14:31 eythian ah yes 14:31 rambutan OK, a patron has fines or a bill, so you have a button in Koha "Pay amount with Dwolla" and Koha accesses the Dwolla API to process the fine, and when completed Koha credits their account with the payment 14:31 oleonard eythian: Sending lists and sending carts 14:30 eythian rambutan: hooks to do what? 14:30 rambutan Seems like I remember somebody (rangi?) mentioning it a long time ago. 14:29 rambutan Has anyone looked at what it would take for Koha to have the hooks to services like Dwolla? http://dwolla.com http://developers.dwolla.com/dev 14:27 eythian maybe it was sending lists or something 14:27 eythian password notifications don't, and there's something else that doesn't 14:27 khall CHECKOUT notices use the message queue 14:27 * magnuse starts to make some notes on http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Covers_from_multiple_sources_RFC 14:26 wajasu generic message notification with various transports decouples(sms, email, etc) an ESB of sorts to decouple. 14:24 eythian also we could do smart things like having them run over a network, so you could have a zebra reindexing machine, and a mail processing machine 14:24 wajasu ^^ yup 14:23 wizzyrea ^^ but this 14:23 eythian everything needs to send email the same way, but we need to improve how it gets sent. 14:23 khall wizzyrea, thanks, I'll look at the code. 14:23 eythian We need to use real queue systems, not cron jobs 14:23 wizzyrea one of them goes right away 14:23 wizzyrea or… the checkin notices 14:23 eythian 15 minutes for the packages 14:23 wizzyrea don't the hold notices go immediately 14:22 khall I had thought about that. We need some kind of "send immediately" sub 14:22 nengard khall would know best 14:22 nengard good point 14:22 oleonard People are going to expect their confirmation email right away 14:22 nengard hmmmm 14:22 nengard oh! 14:21 oleonard That could be a problem for patron self-registration 14:21 kf same here I think 14:21 nengard hourly 14:21 oleonard What frequency do folks set up their process_message_queue with? 14:20 kf and that is child to parent 14:20 jenkins_koha Starting build #814 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 2 days ago) 14:20 kf where you can add a child record 14:20 kf there is something new now 14:20 kf I got my mistake 14:20 kf no 14:20 kf aaah 14:19 kf but that works without easyanalyticstoo 14:19 kf hm I found that 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8623 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Javascript libraries should be outside theme directories 14:19 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8622 major, P3, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Koha themes broken 14:19 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8623: Move YUI out of prog 14:19 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8623: Do not accept "lib" as a valid theme 14:19 jenkins_koha * jcamins: Bug 8622: Fix theme fallback 14:19 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #813: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 18 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/813/ 14:18 nengard now, I think there is a problem with the wording, it's a bit confusing 14:18 nengard http://manual.koha-community.org/3.8/en/cataloging.html#cataloganalytics 14:18 nengard kf yes, let me find it 14:18 nengard I have a question too ? can anyone help me with this? http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipermail/koha/2012-August/034028.html 14:18 * druthb reaches for the Velcro. 14:17 kf I found the Add host item in the manual, now I am looking for the easyanalytics feature 14:17 kf do we have a description of easyanalytics somewhere? :) 14:17 nengard okay? 14:17 kf nengard: and i got a queston :) 14:16 * nengard is blushing 14:16 mtompset For a developer. :) 14:16 nengard oooo boy :) 14:15 mtompset nengard++ 14:15 kf nengard++ 14:15 gmcharlt nengard++ 14:15 nengard hehe 14:15 nengard :) 14:15 oleonard nengard++ 14:15 magnuse nengard++ 14:15 oleonard Thank goodness for us nengard! 14:14 nengard i like writing documentation :) 14:14 nengard i disagree 14:13 mtompset libsysguy++ # Yes, yes writing documentation is exactly like having one's fingernails pulled off. 14:12 oleonard mtompset: Test patches, review bug reports, confirm bugs, correct bug details, correct assignment, anything else they can think of? 14:08 mtompset What is the role of "Bug Wrangler"? 14:07 eythian that's a good plan 14:07 druthb :) I'll take a look at possibilities for refactoring, eythian...might be able to modularise some of that, along with some of my stuff, and finally get the migration toolkit started, instead of the disorganized cluttery mess I have on gitorious. 14:06 eythian thought as much 14:06 mtompset It was the short name vs. long name. 14:05 eythian mtompset: awesomecross 14:05 mtompset Greetings, eythian. Got the proxy settings all nicely sorted out. :) 14:05 eythian refactoring would not be a bad thing at all. 14:05 mtompset Greetings, #koha. 14:05 eythian druthb: I tend to work the same way too, the first time I wrote it I used fieldnames a lot, but now almost never. 14:04 druthb Don't want to step on eythian's toes, magnuse. I outmass him by a bit, and that would hurt a bit. :) 14:02 druthb I haven't worked with it in concert with a running Koha; I use it in isolation--grab CSV, make MARC, and use marc: and multimarc: mappings rather than fieldname maps. 14:02 * magnuse cheers druthb on 14:01 * druthb is debating a refactoring of it, along with adding a few tricks of her own, based on things she's doing in her assortment of MARC mashers. 14:00 eythian If I knew it was going to swell like that, I would have split it into modules 14:00 eythian it's also not really organised. 14:00 eythian heh yeah, it's become quite bloated beyond its initial intentions. 13:59 druthb That's a *very large* bit of brilliance. 13:58 druthb That one had me bedeviled for a while. You don't organise your code the same way I do, so it took me a while to trace down where to fix that. 13:56 eythian that does make sense 13:56 eythian ah yes, I see 13:54 druthb It was doing 600 $aJohn Doe$egroom$dJune 8, 1968 600 $aJane Smith 600 $ebride 600 $d July 19,1969. Now it does what I expected. :) 13:54 druthb Since the mappings are handled in the order they are given, it makes sense to me that if you're doing multiples of something--which it did know how to do--you should look at the *last* one of those created, to see whether to add a subfield or create a new field, but the script was looking at the *first*. I fixed. 13:52 druthb Was a wierd case of turning something non-MARC-ish (a marriage record) into a MARC, just to make it searchable. I had BRIDE NAME, BRIDE DATE OF BIRTH, GROOM NAME, GROOM DATE OF BIRTH, and wanted to turn it into two 600 fields, with different $e, and name in $a and dates in $d. 13:51 eythian druthb: most of that script is handling odd cases 13:50 eythian druthb: awesome :) 13:50 druthb eythian: Your csvtomarc is freakin' brilliant; I came up with a minor mod that made it do what I wanted in one odd case--I'll turn that into a patch for you at some point, after I figure out how to describe the use case precisely. 13:49 magnuse GetNormalizedISBN get's it from the marc, unless you give it a value from biblioitems.isbn to clean up 13:49 eythian druthb: yeah, I do the same there 13:48 druthb That is not always the easiest way to do things, but my confidence in the quality of the data is much, much higher. 13:47 druthb magnuse: For the data mashing I do, I treat the marc as the official, authoritative source, and utterly ignore all the database fields that (are supposed to) duplicate those, or any subroutine in Koha that uses those. 13:47 magnuse hm, there is GetNormalizedISBN too, which lives in C4/Koha of all places... 13:45 gmcharlt hi druthb 13:44 druthb :) 13:44 druthb hi, gmcharlt. 13:44 gmcharlt good morning 13:44 gmcharlt indeed 13:44 druthb If you're looking for just the ISBN, what I usually do, magnuse, is GetMarcBiblio, then grab the 020$a, and pump it into Business::ISBN, so I can do useful things with it. 13:43 magnuse is C4::Biblio::GetMarcISBN really the best way to get ISBNs out of records in Koha? it seems to be returning things like "91-0-010573-2 9100105732 (inb.)" 13:42 nengard i think there is a bug for that already 13:41 eythian hmm, searching for something with '&' in it doesn't work well at all. 13:41 magnuse the price is yet another reason to get rid of the marc formats... 13:36 eythian I think that the ISO is based in .ch 13:36 wahanui i think Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad 13:36 kf Interesting 13:36 eythian It's just what it offered 13:36 eythian kf: I don't 13:36 * kf hides 13:36 drojf kf: found your talk. "koha in action" :D 13:36 kf eythian: why do you want to pay in CHF? 13:33 mveron hallo mbalmer... 13:33 mbalmer hallo mveron! 13:29 eythian also ha ha 2008, 1965 more like 13:29 eythian wholly chao, it costs CHF58,00 to buy the ISO2709:2008 spec. 13:28 eythian 5 character field for the size 13:28 eythian yeah 13:27 eythian I think it's bigger than 10k 13:27 druthb That was the typo. It's 100,000 minus 1. 13:27 nengard archives 13:27 nengard i saw an email on the list artives that says 9999 ? do you have a typo or was that a typo? 13:27 nengard :) 13:27 nengard you'll get no argument from me there!! 13:26 eythian nengard: as an aside, that value exposes one of the multitude of things wrong with the MARC format :) 13:25 drojf kf: it would be nice if that conference was half a year later. when we are live and can actually think about doing internetty things to our library 13:24 nengard thank you! 13:24 eythian that's a limit to the ISO MARC format 13:24 eythian nengard: 99,999 characters 13:22 nengard I got this question and I think the answer is yes ? but I don't know what the limit is "is there a limit to the overall size of a MARC record within Koha?" 13:20 drojf heh 13:20 kf not sure we matched the cfp back then :) 13:20 kf I think 2 years ago? 13:19 kf I did a presentation on Koha when the conf was in Zürich 13:19 drojf kf: i will have a look at what they did in earlier conferences to get an idea maybe 13:19 kf btw I found it :) (totally off topic... I know) 13:17 kf drojf: you coudl do something about your special use of koha and how it helps the users? maybe? 13:16 kf drojf: not sure yet 13:15 mveron Hi kf 13:14 drojf kf: thanks for the link. so how do we get koha in there? :) 13:13 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is 24.0°C (3:00 PM CEST on September 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). 13:13 drojf don't want to spam the channel with off topic links again, but rap news 15 is awesome! 13:13 mveron @wunder Basel 13:12 mveron hi drojf 13:11 mveron ...and many thanks to paul_p for pushing my age restriction :-) 13:11 drojf hi mveron 13:10 mveron Hi #koha 13:07 Oak :) 13:06 magnuse with lots of garlic and rosemary! 13:06 magnuse yeah, sacrificial lamb is yummy! 13:06 eythian huh, he also has a 60MB log of the channel 13:06 Oak let's have a bar-b-q 13:05 jcamins_away On schedule, new sacrificial lamb found... 13:05 eythian yes, that too :) 13:05 jcamins_away eythian: if he didn't whenever anyone said "change" or "search," that'd help. :P 13:05 jcamins_away Is there anything I need to say about 3.6.x beyond what I already said? 13:05 eythian hmm, wahanui needs some reconnection logic, he gets banned for reconnecting too fast. 13:03 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7187 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kmkale, NEW , Prioritize cover image sources such as Amazon, Google and add fail over i.e. if first source fails, go to next 13:03 oleonard You guys, you're making wahanui pass out 13:03 magnuse bug 7187 13:03 jcamins_away search for something? 13:03 jcamins_away magnuse: ooh, that makes sense. 13:02 kf for my missing document :) 13:02 magnuse kf: search for what? 13:02 magnuse cache the others and check amazon last, then 13:02 jcamins_away magnuse: not yes. 13:02 magnuse ah yes 13:02 oleonard magnuse: We haven't thrown out Amazon covers yet because they don't require the API 13:01 magnuse eythian: yeah, that might be what i was thinking 13:01 kf nah, not really... *continues search* 13:01 * kf blames eythian (habit) 13:01 magnuse aren't we throwing out amazon? 13:01 eythian oleonard: you can cache the success of the request 13:01 oleonard Maybe Google's too 13:01 magnuse Oak: yeah, that is an interesting twist on it 13:01 kf I know I had a checklist for opac features somewhere... 13:01 oleonard magnuse: Caching results violates Amazon's terms of service I think 13:01 kf *sigh* 13:01 jcamins_away magnuse: the problem with that is Amazon. :( 13:01 Oak or if two sources have the images, then the one with bigger dimensions gets chosen automatically :) 13:00 oleonard I imagine that an AJAX script could roll through each source and stop on first success 13:00 magnuse i am thinking of solving it server-side - have a script that accepts a biblionumber and that returns/redirects to the first image found. with caching 13:00 oleonard eythian: Not unless you saw an unintended behavior 13:00 Oak i wish there could be a way to check if result of one source is True, then a all other sources ignored. 12:59 magnuse yeah, currently you get multiple covers if you turn on multiple sources and more then one gives a hit 12:59 eythian But I may be wrong 12:59 eythian I thought I had seen it behave differently 12:59 jcamins_away And not just a happy little accident. 12:59 Oak got it 12:59 Oak ah yes 12:59 Oak that's bad 12:59 eythian we have another cover source to add, and would need to make them behave so that only one shows 12:59 jcamins_away That's why it's a problem. ;) 12:58 jcamins_away Oak: yes, of course. 12:58 Oak jcamins_away, does not that result in multiple images appearing for a single item? if there are multiple sources available... 12:58 oleonard eythian: Do you observe something different? 12:58 jcamins_away Though, kmkale hasn't been doing anything with Koha in the last six months. 12:58 jcamins_away magnuse, tcohen, and kmkale are all working on the problem. 12:58 khall oleonard: thanks! I'll have a new patch ready in moments, just adding some POD 12:58 eythian right 12:58 eythian Hmm 12:58 jcamins_away eythian: we show all of them. 12:57 kf eythian: currently not really I think, but there are bugs and maybe patches for it in bugzilla 12:57 oleonard That's correct eythian 12:57 eythian I can't see anything obvious in the JS that causes only the first hit to show 12:57 oleonard khall++ # for the progress on patron self-registration 12:57 eythian how (if at all) do we handle covers from multiple sources? 12:57 kf thx jcamins_away 12:57 jcamins_away Meeting in five hours. 12:57 druthb :) 12:56 * kf thinks druthb has her spies everywhere 12:56 Oak hello aweosme Ruth :) 12:56 druthb :D 12:56 BobB hi ruth! 12:56 kf hi druthb :) 12:56 druthb Hi, Oak and kf! :) 12:56 Oak hello Miss katrin 12:56 druthb BobB: you were looking for me? 12:55 Oak awesomeness, and awesome is here 12:55 kf hi Oak :) 12:55 kf hi Joubu 12:55 Oak think of the... 12:54 * jcamins_away waves to oleonard and Joubu. 12:54 oleonard Hi Joubu 12:53 Joubu Hello #koha 12:52 huginn BobB: druthb was last seen in #koha 5 days, 20 hours, 6 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: * druthb waves from eastern Kansas 12:52 BobB @seen druthb 12:50 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/new/bug_8293' <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccb4517b1c05a036886df4b3cde20ac1dbef1bc4> / Bug 8293 : Fixing POD to match actuality. <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5ca865b542e1123fd18ac2564515c0676689845> / Bug 7621 follow-up DBRev number <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=078c898e721bc631e32 12:44 mbalmer even our infokiosk systems and payment stations begin to be friends with Koha …. 12:41 kf happy koha people everywhere :) 12:40 paul_p (one of our customer just asked for this feature 2 weeks ago, and he will be happy to ;-) ) 12:40 * kf guesses so too :) 12:40 mbalmer paul_p, thanks for 7621, it is really important over here in switzerland and I guess you just made mveron a very happy man ;) 12:39 paul_p is it me or git is slooowww ? 12:34 kf paul_p++ mveron++ 12:34 kf yay :) 12:34 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Passed QA , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories 12:34 paul_p mveron will be happy, i'm about to push bug 7621 ;-) 12:29 jenkins_koha Starting build #156 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 12:29 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8666 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , Prevent to create baskets for inactive suppliers 12:29 jenkins_koha julian.maurice: Bug 8666: Hide 'New basket' link if supplier is inactive 12:29 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.8.x build #155: SUCCESS in 2 hr 18 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_3.8.x/155/ 12:28 kf one more thing to look forward to on the next release 12:27 kf *sighs* 12:24 jcamins Yeah, the problem was the translator crash. 12:24 jcamins Well, installing the language works. 12:22 jcamins French works. 12:18 kf :( 12:18 kf fatal means the translation process dies and not all files get translated 12:18 jcamins I will use French. 12:18 kf or fix the probem :( 12:18 kf you have to get a file from pootle or run update on it 12:18 kf because I missed the date before release and the error 12:17 jcamins Ohhh. 12:17 kf there is a fatal error in the po file 12:17 * magnuse has seen that too 12:17 kf german does not work in mater 12:17 kf oh right 12:17 kf I amnot sure why it happens sometimes :( 12:17 kf I have seen that 12:17 kf ah yeah 12:15 jcamins I get the error: Koha directories hierarchy for de-DE must be created first 12:15 jcamins I think I probably installed the translation wrong. 12:14 kf hm 12:13 jcamins master. 12:12 wahanui which version of koha are you using? 12:12 kf which version of koha? 12:12 kf hm yes 12:12 jcamins updatedatabase uses the installer templates rather than regular templates. 12:11 kf shouldn't have anything to do with the installer I think 12:11 kf confusing 12:11 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=7621 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, veron, Passed QA , Circulation: Match age restriction of title with borrower's age without using categories 12:11 * paul_p testing bug 7621 ... will I push it today ? 12:11 kf hm 12:11 jcamins It was the automatic updatedatabase run. 12:10 kf or just forward and choosing de at at the beginning? 12:10 kf did you click back or something like that? 12:10 kf and we have seen that at the workhop 12:10 kf that's not good 12:10 kf hm 12:10 jcamins kf: I got an error when it automatically went to the installer. 12:09 paul_p jcamins OK, will check later 12:09 kf jcamins: yes, why? 12:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8597 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fcapovilla, Patch doesn't apply , New theme for the OPAC with a mobile view 12:05 jcamins paul_p: I rebased the last two patches on bug 8597. 12:01 jenkins_koha Starting build #813 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 2 days ago) 12:00 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8623: Move YUI out of prog <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e8bd6b9a6f4e13eedfca5faa1ac0d49098bfed0> / Bug 8623: Do not accept "lib" as a valid theme <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=765bbe1dad0bcd8318f023cbe6f979fc7dd4ccc8> / Bug 8622: Fix theme fallback <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=33113e69c0eb2faccceb917ce19e26225259d 12:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8478 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Update Ubuntu related files 12:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=6886 minor, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Single branch mode should disable showing the branch name in front of all callnumbers 12:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8594 normal, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , A report containing a subquery that has a 'limit' will have that limit stripped out 12:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8549 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , DataTables upgrade broke display of next/previous buttons in table controls 12:00 jenkins_koha * mtompset: Bug 8478 - Update Ubuntu related files Updated installation instructions, cleaned up ubuntu-pkg-check.sh, renamed ubuntu*.packages files more consistently, updated files to include missing libraries, corrected incorrect libraries (yaz3->yaz4, mysqlclient v16 to v18, dropped the dev version of the client). 12:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=2553 minor, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , alphabetize dropdown menus 12:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8675 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Renewing item to specified date creates a due date with HH:MM set to 00:00 12:00 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 Follow up for NORMARC 12:00 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 - Follow up for UNIMARC 12:00 jenkins_koha * Chris Cormack: Bug 6886 - OPAC XSLT respecting single branch mode 12:00 jenkins_koha * robin: Bug 8594 - prevent the report system from breaking some subqueries 12:00 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 8549 - DataTables upgrade broke display of next/previous buttons in table controls 12:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org/bugzilla3/show_bug.cgi?id=8666 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , Prevent to create baskets for inactive suppliers 12:00 jenkins_koha * oleonard: Bug 2553 [Serials report] alphabetize dropdown menus 12:00 jenkins_koha * colin.campbell: Bug 8675 Add hours and mins to renewal due date 12:00 jenkins_koha * nengard: update 'onloan' in items and deleteditems 12:00 jenkins_koha * julian.maurice: Bug 8666: Hide 'New basket' link if supplier is inactive 12:00 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #812: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 4 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/812/ 11:59 jcamins kf: is the webinstaller translated into German? 11:58 mbalmer (in german localization) 11:57 mbalmer screenshot of a touchscreen point of sale terminal after scanning a Koha patron card: http://www.arcapos.com/cde/kohalink.png 11:56 wahanui well, morning is a state of mind. or whenever the cat wants breakfast. 11:56 jcamins Morning. 11:54 kf morning jcamins 11:53 jcamins Thanks. 11:52 paul_p hi jcamins. done (it was only 3 patches late) 11:52 jcamins I'm trying to resolve the conflict on 8597. 11:52 jcamins paul_p: could you please push your master branch to git.k-c.org? 10:26 kf Dan_T: that will give you the perldoc for everything in C4 - I meant a script to enforce the defaults you set :) I haven't used it, but it's maybe worth a try on a test installation 10:26 Dan_T ah outstanding, thank you 10:25 kf http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=blob;f=misc/maintenance/borrowers-force-messaging-defaults;h=ff35e086c93a03bec8b421847967d77026437bdf;hb=01309211e9563b48dcd2944d90d277493bd912dd 10:25 Dan_T I think.. http://perldoc.koha-community.org/ 10:25 Dan_T yea I'm on the page now 10:24 kf but look for a script in misc 10:24 kf can't be changed by patron import 10:24 kf scattered 10:24 kf Dan_T: the iformation is scatteres in 4 tables 10:22 Dan_T I'll look into that thanks slef 10:21 Dan_T I was thinking that I might be able to touch those fields with a patron import but I don't see a spot for it 10:16 kf never used it so far 10:16 kf slef: I think there is one in misc somewhere 10:13 slef you could probably write a script using the C4 API to change existing ones... not the simplest though 10:12 Dan_T that's what I thought. Thanks 10:12 rangi thats only the default for creating new patrons 10:12 rangi no 10:11 Dan_T would modifying the patron categories default preferences apply that to existing records? 10:10 jenkins_koha Starting build #155 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) 10:04 Dan_T does any one know if there is a way to disable a specific patron messaging preference for all patrons? 09:55 jenkins_koha Starting build #812 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #773 2 mo 2 days ago) 09:48 kf maybe exporting, using some tool to clean up and reimporting is also an option 09:47 Barrc eythian: Thanks - I am open to options, so I might give that a look! 09:46 * eythian still needs to experiment with MARC::MIR 09:46 eythian I tend to parse things into a MARC::Record and manipulate them with that. 09:45 eythian Barrc: I don't think so, at least, I've not heard of it. 09:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 8478 - Update Ubuntu related files Updated installation instructions, cleaned... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=01309211e9563b48dcd2944d90d277493bd912dd> / Bug 6886 Follow up for NORMARC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d9f131736769cc1b21988f422c4e3a2194b2973> / Bug 6886 - Follow up for UNIMARC <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git;a=commitdi 09:42 Barrc Morning all - would anyone know if it is possible to use KeyAttr with MARC::File::XML as it is with XML::Simple? I have been tasked with extracting/changing some tags in the MarcXML field in bibioitems and wondering how best to go about it? 09:19 magnuse slef: too bad :-) 09:17 slef magnuse: the river is too far away, about half a mile ;) 09:17 eythian drojf: the line graphs should be histograms! 09:16 eythian good morning drojf 09:16 drojf hi eythian 09:15 drojf a little older but i have not seen that before. sounds "great". http://thenextweb.com/media/2012/07/31/data-driven-publishing-how-hiptype-hopes-to-be-the-google-analytics-for-ebooks/ 09:13 eythian I have sun, but 18°. It'll warm up soon enough though. 09:13 * kf blames eythian 09:10 kf still no sun here 09:10 huginn kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 19.0°C (11:00 AM CEST on September 05, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising). 09:10 kf @wunder Konstanz 09:09 eythian it's a little cooler today though 09:09 eythian yep 09:09 kf office in the same place as yesterday? 09:07 eythian hello kf 09:07 kf morning robin 09:05 drojf the book boat is cool <3 09:00 magnuse we have those too, and a book boat to boot http://www.bokbaten.no/index.php?action=static&id=17 08:49 magnuse like a mobile library, where you can borrow books, right? 08:47 * slef puts it on his calendar 08:47 slef magnuse: yes, we still have library vans over here apparently. I did not know that. 08:46 magnuse yeah, tt is quite a big system, probably with lots of hidden goodies 08:44 kf I am still trying to understand what all the parts are for 08:44 kf but I am sure there is some nice way to do it with TT 08:43 kf ok, don't listen to me 08:43 magnuse plugin? 08:42 kf magnuse: not so crazy :) make it a plugin :) 08:37 magnuse a *library* just pulled up?!? 08:35 * slef demolishes a radio on the way out 08:35 * slef goes to look 08:35 slef ooh a library just pulled up at the bottom of my drive 08:34 magnuse slef: cool, i just didn't know it was possible to influence those settings with env vars :-) 08:33 magnuse ok on a scale from 1 to 11, how crazy does this sound: using a TT template to format marc records for display in the digital signs, and storing that template as a syspref, for easy tweaking 08:33 slef magnuse: we needed it to have some way to override the autodetection and that seemed easiest because we already do it with PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF 08:13 kf evening rangi 08:12 rangi evening all 08:11 drojf moin kf 08:10 kf morning drojf 08:06 drojf good morning #koha 07:35 magnuse wow, i didnt even know rewrite -config.PL existed, or that it uses environmnt variables 07:34 kf good morning paul_p and hdl 07:22 kf identity crisis? :) 07:22 Dan_T oh right... I am 07:21 Dan_T whois Dan_T 07:20 kf good morning #koha 07:19 kf hi gaetan_B 07:19 gaetan_B hello 07:02 matts hi ! 06:53 francharb hello #koha 06:50 koyauni http://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2008-January/012973.html 06:48 cait bbl 06:46 koyauni Thanks I found an old help page saying the same thing, thank you anyway, 06:43 wahanui hey, reiveune 06:43 reiveune hello 06:34 halcyonCorsair mmm, no...i *think* the issue is that the environment isn't correct when make, etc are getting run 06:32 cait halcyonCorsair: did you do a git dev or standard install? if you did adev, there is a generated file in koha-dev directory, so outside of the git controlled part 06:32 cait halcyonCorsair: maybe you are looking at the wrong file? 06:29 magnuse then you can choose what each user is allowed to do 06:29 magnuse koyauni: then, when you have added a user, you click More > Set permissions 06:28 magnuse koyauni: PAtrons > New patron > Staff 06:21 koyauni hi guys, how can one create additional normal Admin, I want my system to have one Super Admin and many normal Admin with limited permissions 06:14 halcyonCorsair no, rewrite-config.PL definitely uses it 06:10 mtompset During a tarball, git install, you end up editing the apache config file that is generated. 06:09 mtompset I do not believe it does. 06:09 mtompset Uh, no. 06:08 halcyonCorsair mtompset: ^ 06:08 mtompset I was convering the case that you were referring to something else. 06:08 halcyonCorsair i expect one of those four steps to use that variable to create the http config correctly 06:08 mtompset And why do you expect Koha to know about it? 06:07 mtompset I know, but I'm trying to understand why you are looking at that variable. 06:06 halcyonCorsair mtompset: i'm talking about setting the environment variable 06:05 mtompset You don't need to edit any files between these four steps (perl Makefile.PL, make, make test, make install) 06:04 mtompset Because once you have the install... that's when the variable should be changed to the value you are expecting. 06:03 mtompset have you run the make install? 06:03 mtompset have you run the make test? 06:03 mtompset you've run the make 06:03 mtompset you've run the perl Makefile.PL 06:02 mtompset What do you mean doesn't seem to be obeying? 06:02 halcyonCorsair git install 06:01 mtompset Are you doing a tarball or a git install? 06:01 halcyonCorsair umm, rewrite-something.PL 06:01 halcyonCorsair mtompset: gets used by koha-http.conf 06:00 mtompset What file is that in, halcyonCorsair? 05:59 mtompset What file is that in? 05:59 mtompset WEBSERVER_IP variable? 05:55 halcyonCorsair hmm, the install doesn't seem to be obeying the WEBSERVER_IP variable...thoughts? 05:41 Oak ten four 05:41 Oak ah... roger that. 05:40 magnuse Oak: te meeting is in 12 hours and ~20 minutes, as far as i can tell 05:39 magnuse :-) 05:39 Oak present 05:39 Oak \o/ 05:39 magnuse Oak 05:30 Oak nope 05:30 mtompset have have -> have any 05:30 mtompset Do you have have reverse proxy setup experience with redis and/or node.js? 05:29 Oak :) 05:29 mtompset Greetings, #koha -- Oak :) 05:29 Oak Ahoy mtompset 04:59 Oak this looks fun: http://nicolargo.github.com/glances/ 04:58 Oak i meant you may be not good, but i'm worse... for example i just googled what utc means. 04:41 Oak 'not good' would be an understatement fo me though 04:41 Oak me also 04:40 cait I am not good with time zones 04:40 Oak okay cool 04:40 cait many 04:40 cait not sure 04:40 cait hm 04:39 Oak s 04:39 Oak in hour 04:39 Oak how long before the meeting starts? 04:39 cait hi Oak :) 04:38 Oak cait o/ 04:38 Oak magnuse 04:38 Oak Ahoy me hearties :) 03:25 rangi as im having to answer 107 pages of questions in an RFP 03:24 rangi no worries, i have less of it today than usual 03:24 wajasu oh. thx for your patience :) 03:23 rangi 15:08 <@rangi> it just runs updatedatabase.pl it has all the test data in it already 03:23 rangi the latter 03:23 wajasu so i just wonder if you had a test data load that is in git master that is run on a db install, or are you just running the updatedabase before each test run on the same database? 03:21 rangi you answered your own question then 03:20 wajasu i did create a biblio and it worked. but you must have loaded one before the jenkins test run. 03:19 wajasu http://jenkins.koha-community.org/job/Koha_master/810/console cearch for Serials.t 03:19 rangi try it and see, you probably need to create at least one biblio and one item 03:13 wajasu jaca and wizzyrea were saying otherwise yesterday. Reserve.t would fail, because there wasn't a biblio inthe db, etc. 03:12 wajasu so i should be able to pull master fresh, do dev install, run webinstaller with all data options selected, then run prove t/db_dependent without loading test data? 03:10 rangi it just runs updatedatabase.pl it has all the test data in it already 03:10 wajasu does jenkins load test data, then updatedatebase.pl then run em? 03:09 rangi yep, all 34 tests pass currently for Serials.t on jenkins 03:09 wajasu well i must have a bad test setup. maybe i need the test data from wizzyrea. 03:09 rangi most likely you are missing data in your db for Serials.t 03:08 rangi for 3.8.x and 3.6.x branches 03:08 rangi they all pass on jenkins right now 03:08 wajasu when was the last time all the db-dep test passed? a release? 03:07 rangi nope 03:07 wajasu are you familiar with that test? 03:07 wajasu rangi: the other db-dep tests that failed. one was Serials.t and I was trying to look at related commits. Like if a coumn was added to a schema or EAN related commits. then it might show what changed to break it. 03:03 rangi the koha-devel mailing list is the best place for that 03:02 rangi thats not really a meeting topic 03:02 wajasu so if i want someone to decide whether to keep smsoverdues.pl and rss.pl, or actually fix the existing tests at the nexy meeting(8th i think), how do i suggest that be put on the agenda? an email mailing list? 02:59 rangi one of these days, when i invent a time machine, i am going to go back and find who invented RFPs and stab them with a rock 02:55 chobbs Figured it was a long shot :) 02:54 rangi nope, you'd have to write that, or find someone to do that for yoou 02:53 chobbs Ah jeez, sorry for the double post :( 02:53 chobbs Hi #koha! Any way to hide patron address info from certain staff? I need a solution between self check-out and staff check out to allow volunteers to help circulate. 02:53 chobbs Hi #koha! Any way to hide patron address info from certain staff? I need a solution between self check-out and staff check out to allow volunteers to help circulate. 02:33 * chris_n steps off of the software raid roller-coaster and tries to figure out which way is up 01:21 rangi ta 01:21 rangi from a requirements spec 01:21 jcamins No, Koha doesn't do that. 01:20 jcamins Oh. 01:20 jcamins rangi: huh? 01:20 rangi they are search as words by default eh? 01:19 rangi do we need to do that? 01:19 rangi Provide a data dictionary which allows searches on symbols to be recognised as words (e.g ampersands (&) and hyphens) 01:18 jcamins halcyonCorsair: not really. On my to-do list is putting chef into production. 01:16 halcyonCorsair jcamins: do you use chef or vagrant at all? 00:47 halcyonCorsair la, lalala 00:47 halcyonCorsair hard coding....all the things 00:37 jcamins Z39.50 is the older protocol used by libraries, SRU is the newer web service-y one. 00:37 jcamins Two different protocols for harvesting data. 00:30 halcyonCorsair what is z39.50/sru? 00:14 BobB kathryn about? 00:06 halcyonCorsair cron for now i guess 00:04 halcyonCorsair hmm...