IRC log for #koha, 2024-04-04

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05:09 dcook @later tell Joubu Sorry about the delay but I've given feedback on 36349. I think it's fine. If you're happy, I'll QA stamp it tomorrow. Just need to run now...
05:09 huginn` dcook: The operation succeeded.
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06:14 wajasu well with my experimentaion on speeding up ktd, i tried adding   tmpfs:  - /var/lib/mysql:rw,noexec,nosuid  under the docker-compose-build.yml  services: db: section. So now when i compose down and then up, it keeps the mysql in RAM without the slow disk IO.  my disks on linux have barrier=1 because they journal and populating mysql is dog slow in that case.
06:15 wajasu it was failing to stop/start, so i expect everyone brings things down then up.
06:16 wajasu that could help with testing.  save some SSDs.  and time of course.
06:19 wajasu i have lots of RAM on my box
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07:09 cait mtj: around?
07:13 mtj hiya cait
07:14 cait hi mtj
07:21 cait fridolin++
07:21 cait mtj++
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08:16 paulderscheid[m] Morning #koha
08:20 puphaus[m] Good morning together :)
08:32 mtj wajasu: i like your tmpfs idea :)
08:32 cait morning all
08:32 cait have you all updated your installations?
08:37 paulderscheid[m] Not yet.
08:37 paulderscheid[m] Still merging.
08:39 Joubu @later tell oleonard could you have a look at bug 29960 comment 15?
08:39 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
08:59 thd pauldersheid[m]: Did you have any configuration information about receiving any bounced messages from secure-mailgate.com ?   Ordinary replies would go wherever reply-to is set for in the message which could be anything but bounces follow the SMTP envelope which may follow the SPF record which in the case of koha-community.org includes secure-mailgate.com .
09:07 thd pauldersheid[m]: koha-community.org SPF record has TXT "v=spf1 a mx include:secure-mailgate.com ~all"
09:09 cait you are missing a c :)
09:09 cait paulderscheid[m]:
09:10 paulderscheid[m] thd: I have exactly the same SPF record.
09:11 thd Do you know how to collect any bounced messages which might be returned to mailgate-secure.com ?
09:13 thd Also, do you know of any koha-community.org system which collects mail for the koha-community.org general MX server which is hetzner.trust-box.at ?
09:13 paulderscheid[m] No I don't.
09:13 paulderscheid[m] I was going to test what happens to bounced messages soon.
09:14 thd pauldersheid[m]: Are hetner and secure-mailgate related in some way?
09:14 thd s/hetner/hetzner/
09:15 paulderscheid[m] No
09:15 thd I know that hetzner is a well known hosting company.
09:15 paulderscheid[m] Maybe secure-mailgate uses hetzner, but it's not an official service they provide.
09:16 paulderscheid[m] Just did a whois search. It seems they are not related. secure-mailgate uses 'Alfahosting Gmbh'
09:17 Joubu this is to redirect to a gmail address
09:18 Joubu admin@koha-community.org => koha.community.org@gmail.com
09:18 thd In the non-bounce case if I would deliberately send an email to whomever@koha-community.org it would go to hetzner.trust-box.at as per the koha-community.org MX record.
09:20 thd Joubu: Does koha-community.org collect only mail for admin@koha-community.org or also other addresses @koha-community.org?
09:20 Joubu only admin
09:29 thd Joubu: Would any bounced messages sent as admin AT koha-community.org go to koha-community.org AT gmail.com ?
09:29 thd Joubu: Restatedould any bounced messages sent as admin AT koha-community.org go to koha-community.org AT gmail.com ?
09:30 thd Joubu: Restated: Would any bounced messages sent as admin AT koha-community.org from secure.mailgate.com go to koha-community.org AT gmail.com ?
09:31 Joubu I don't think so, I think any emails sent to admin should be redirected to the gmail address
09:45 thd Joubu: Bounced messages may be different and follow the SMTP sender envelope, with the SPF record for koha.community.org adding secure.mailgate.com as an include designation "v=spf1 a mx include:secure-mailgate.com ~all" which may merely designates secure-mailgate.com as an allowed sender.
09:49 paulderscheid[m] Just a quick recommendation for all VSCod{e,ium} users: get yourself this: https://github.com/tomrijndorp[…]code-finditfaster (needs fzf, ripgrep and bat by default, though)
09:50 paulderscheid[m] It is freaking awesome :D
09:50 paulderscheid[m] Every day VSCode gets a bit more of neovim's great functionality through the power of cli tools.
10:01 Joubu `ln -s /usr/bin/batcat /usr/local/bin/bat` is needed on Debian
10:01 Joubu or whatever else to have 'bat' in PATH
10:07 thd pauldersheid[m] and Joubu: As you were planning Paul, you should deliberately try to bounce a test message known to bounce and sending it through secure-mailgate.com  checking with Joubu to see if the bounce message ends up in the koha-community.org AT gmail.com account for admin AT koha-community.org which is probably only collecting messages for the primary MX server hetzner.trust-box-at so if they bounce to the gmail account then we should k
10:07 thd now what happens for configuring Discourse.  Discourse needs to be able to collect bounce messages and will probably need something different from admin AT koha-community.org for sending from secure-mailgate.com.
10:12 paulderscheid[m] Joubu: in the config you can also do 'batcat {}' for the previewCommand
10:12 paulderscheid[m] thd: I will test it and ping
10:13 * cait glares at D10 for master
10:16 Joubu cait: this is bug 36381
10:16 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=36381 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , "not a tree object" error from Jenkins
10:16 cait I know
10:16 cait I can still glare and try to scare it?
10:17 cait pinged Matt about the one one D11
10:17 cait ... one on ...
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11:21 tcohen hola #koha
11:21 tcohen is everything unstable?
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11:45 magnuse tcohen: can you sense a disturbance in the force?
11:49 tcohen disturbance I sense, yes
11:49 * tcohen just made the flight check-in and nothing exploded. not used to this
12:05 Joubu You just made it explode somewhere else
12:06 tcohen the balance of the universe
12:12 cait heh
12:16 paulderscheid[m] Is there a list of all default letter codes somewhere in the wiki?
12:22 cait hm no and my own list is outdated
12:22 cait if you want I can lend you a 20.11 list :)
12:22 paulderscheid[m] That's fine, just wanted to make sure there's an easier way then reading select * from letter \G
12:23 paulderscheid[m] *whether
12:23 cait actually that's probably better
12:23 paulderscheid[m] Thanks cait
12:23 cait ooh the manual
12:24 cait you shoudl check the manual
12:24 aude_c[m] Yes, the manual
12:24 aude_c[m] But also https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]ha_23.11_defaults
12:24 cait aude_c[m]++
12:24 aude_c[m] (I thought "Manual" straight away too... It's at https://koha-community.org/man[…]notices-and-slips But the question was about the wiki 😉)
12:25 paulderscheid[m] Thanks aude_c[m]++
12:25 paulderscheid[m] That's a little better :D
12:29 paulderscheid[m] Joubu, tcohen: could we App::perlimports to the docker images maybe and encourage people to use it on new modules?
12:30 paulderscheid[m] And maybe do a very careful run on everything old? It can be dangerous for modules like Locale::TextDomain.
12:30 paulderscheid[m] But those can be added in .perlimports.toml
12:31 paulderscheid[m] As Exceptions.
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12:58 magnuse does the "logging in" option of TrackLastPatronActivityTriggers also count logging in via the REST API?
12:59 cait hm I remember a discussion about SIP, ashimema would probably know
12:59 cait maybe you need to test if it's not on the bug
13:23 kidclamp cait++
13:24 kidclamp fixing all my tyops :-P
13:24 cait sorry, I can't help it
13:25 cait ok, push incoming
13:25 cait I got to leave early tody, but maybe will do some more later
13:27 cait try not to break stuff meanwhile ;)
13:28 cait kidclamp: the SQL editor bug, I feel like we had this discussion on another bug when something was changed with the editor settings - but I couldn't find it
13:28 cait maybe if you look at it, look for a recent change on the files
13:28 kidclamp I remember something recently, but trying to write a simple report today made me lose more hair
13:28 kidclamp I don't have much to spare!
13:29 cait heh
13:29 cait maybe check with Lucas, but that's a wild guess
13:29 cait bye all!
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14:45 Joubu paulderscheid[m]: aware of bug 30926?
14:45 huginn` Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=30926 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , Remove unnecessary use statements
14:46 paulderscheid[m] That's cool. With App::perlimports we could make it more reliable I think.
14:46 paulderscheid[m] They already put a ton of work into it.
14:48 paulderscheid[m] It's funny :D Everything I suggest you already did like 1-5 years ago Joubu ^^
14:49 paulderscheid[m] What I find really interesting is whether there's a measurable performance benefit from just importing the package and not its symbols in a project of koha's size. For example 'use My::Module ();' instead of just 'use My::Module;'.
14:57 caroline kidclamp around? I have an ES question
14:57 * kidclamp waves
14:58 caroline Ok the context is a client is complaining that old titles (that are very pertinent from the query pov) are displayed before newer titles
14:58 caroline is there a way to add weight to sorting, i.e. with similar scores, display tyhe newest one before?
14:59 kidclamp https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=23875
14:59 huginn` Bug 23875: normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, Failed QA , Elasticsearch - When sorting by score we should provide a tiebreaker
14:59 caroline wow that was fast lol!
14:59 kidclamp it may not be exact, but is likely related
15:00 kidclamp if the relevance score is different than we would need a way to weight recent records
15:00 kidclamp you can develop custom scoring using a function
15:01 caroline like this? https://www.elastic.co/guide/e[…]-score-query.html
15:03 kidclamp yeah, that looks similar
15:04 reiveune bye
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15:07 caroline thanks we'll look into it
15:07 caroline kidclamp++
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16:42 lukeg caroline: if I am using the carousel plugin with 23.05.09 which plugin version should I be using?
16:43 caroline Our clients have 23.05.05 and most use 4.1.4
16:43 lukeg Thanks!
16:43 caroline +1
17:24 chimster[m] can anyone explain if a wordpress website can be run on a subdomain of a domain which has a koha installation?
17:50 paulderscheid[m] Sure, why not?
17:50 chimster[m] thanks paul!
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19:07 cait oh wow
19:07 cait lots of stuff broken
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19:55 JasonGreene[m] still working on the "import" issue... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]oYPxgGGMqGEHZrZSp>)
21:54 dcook .
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