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tuxayo |
wow looks nice :D |
| 00:45 |
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tuxayo |
Does anyone know if there is a way to make Koha lighter since the introduction of one worker for background tasks and one for long background tasks? |
| 00:45 |
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tuxayo |
Long ago I switched from two general workers to one to make start up and more importantly restarts, less slow. On my PC (old but will have to do until I can change it) restarts take ~15 sec now with 3 workers (one general, one background, one background long task) |
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davidnind |
caroline++ |
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davidnind |
inLibro++ |
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davidnind |
Nice work on KohaCon24 - conference website (https://2024.kohacon.org/) and update (https://2024.kohacon.org/kohac[…]ilding-together/) |
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reiveune |
hello |
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| 08:07 |
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ashimema |
tuxayo: does it matter if the workers take a little longer to start? Or is it a startup order issue.. should we be prioritising all instance plack startups before any workers to ensure site reactivity returns more quickly? |
| 08:08 |
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ashimema |
tuxayo: I know dcook has been thinking about startup speed lately, but I don't think he was worried about the workers.. more the app itself |
| 08:09 |
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ashimema |
@later tell tuxayo tuxayo: does it matter if the workers take a little longer to start? Or is it a startup order issue.. should we be prioritising all instance plack startups before any workers to ensure site reactivity returns more quickly? |
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huginn` |
ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:09 |
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ashimema |
@later tell tuxayo tuxayo: I know dcook has been thinking about startup speed lately, but I don't think he was worried about the workers.. more the app itself |
| 08:09 |
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huginn` |
ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
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Joubu |
really want to restart or plack --reload enough? |
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| 08:13 |
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cait |
good morning #koha! |
| 08:16 |
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| 08:32 |
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magnuse |
\o/ |
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| 09:44 |
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cait |
still so quiet? |
| 09:52 |
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| 09:56 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I have one :D |
| 09:56 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Let's integrate an open LLM into Koha ˆˆ |
| 10:01 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
That bz skin looks awesome btw. Let's get it moving: bug 34423 |
| 10:01 |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=34423 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , (proof-of-concept) Bugzilla could look better with a new skin |
| 10:01 |
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magnuse |
LLM? |
| 10:02 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Large Language Model like llama2 |
| 10:02 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
the chatGPT stuff ;D |
| 10:03 |
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magnuse |
lulz |
| 10:04 |
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magnuse |
automatic renewals should not be affected by the calendar, right? loans should be renewed even on closed days? |
| 10:04 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
that sounds like a cait question :D |
| 10:05 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
here's a cool repo if you'd like to play around w/ it magnuse https://github.com/jmorganca/ollama |
| 10:05 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
It's very capable and doesn't collect any data. |
| 10:06 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
But don't let it write your code, you WILL regret it ˆˆ |
| 10:06 |
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magnuse |
what would we use it for in koha? |
| 10:07 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
For example in the staff interface. For example for looking up docs and answering natural language questions. For example: 'How do I turn on Feature x', 'How do I configure ILL' or something like that. |
| 10:07 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Ha, still tired, 3x 'For example' :D |
| 10:08 |
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PedroAmorim[m] |
o/ |
| 10:09 |
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PedroAmorim[m] |
having an optional AI helper is an inevitability imo |
| 10:09 |
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PedroAmorim[m] |
it'd be great to have it in Koha! |
| 10:09 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Could be also really great for reports! |
| 10:10 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
yeah, was kind of a joke but I see it as a possibility as well. |
| 10:11 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Maybe PTFS has the capacities :) |
| 10:12 |
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PedroAmorim[m] |
maybe =D maybe some folks from Germany also have the capacities =DDD |
| 10:12 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Haha :D |
| 10:12 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Would be great to show that tinkling stars icon in promotional material :D |
| 10:12 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Just btw, we have AI now XD |
| 10:13 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Would be great if we got there before OCLC |
| 10:13 |
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magnuse |
buzzword bingo! |
| 10:14 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Yes |
| 10:14 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
That |
| 10:14 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
:D |
| 10:15 |
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ashimema |
well.. I actually had a discussion about AI in the company the other day... the sales team are keen to train an LLM using our existing tender responses to help in drafting new tender responses |
| 10:15 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
That makes sense. |
| 10:15 |
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ashimema |
Must admit.. I only took a cursory look at how to train an LLM and decided it was way outside my expertise.. but investigating it is on the long list.. I agree.. it would be great to do something in that space for Koha.. |
| 10:16 |
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ashimema |
I know there's a few people interested in the reports writer stuff |
| 10:16 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Check out ollama for setup and huggingface ashimema |
| 10:17 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
It's doable. |
| 10:17 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
But you should rather look into fine-tuning a model rather than training one. |
| 10:17 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Training one is a whole phd |
| 10:17 |
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ashimema |
yeah, that was the conclusion I came too too |
| 10:18 |
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ashimema |
s/too/to/ |
| 10:18 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I bet |
| 10:19 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
Has potential no doubt |
| 10:22 |
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magnuse |
huggingface? |
| 10:23 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
It's a platform for discussing ai development. |
| 10:23 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
or rather llm development, I actually hat this being called AI all the time :D |
| 10:23 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
*hate |
| 10:24 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
https://huggingface.cxo |
| 10:24 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
https://huggingface.co |
| 10:25 |
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magnuse |
ah, thanks! |
| 10:26 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
well it's now multi-modal so llm does not suffice anymore but you get the gist |
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| 11:01 |
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cait |
magnuse: i think it should renew on holiday too... but it has changed a lot since I last looked at the feature more closely |
| 11:01 |
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cait |
I think kidclamp or ashimema might be better to ask even |
| 11:03 |
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ashimema |
pass |
| 11:04 |
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kidclamp |
It should be an option, what it actually is I'm not sure |
| 11:07 |
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kidclamp |
no, calendar is not taken into account for renewability, it can affect the due date <- magnuse |
| 11:07 |
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ashimema |
thanks kidclamp |
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| 11:23 |
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oleonard |
I worry that adding an llm to Koha will result in plausible-sounding but incorrect answers at a rate that makes it useless ( > 0% ) |
| 11:26 |
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Joubu |
ashimema: feeling rusty... Is the job of Koha::Object->strings_map to return the library's name or should I use embed instead? |
| 11:27 |
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Joubu |
GET /patrons/42 would return {str: {library_id: "Centerville", category_id: "Staff"}} |
| 11:39 |
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Joubu |
@later tell 33161 comment 33 |
| 11:39 |
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huginn` |
Joubu: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:44 |
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cait |
I just remember the one perfectly fine sounding email to the list about configuration options Koha never had... |
| 11:44 |
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cait |
they had asked ChatGPT I think |
| 11:44 |
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cait |
how do you keep them from making stuff up? |
| 11:45 |
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oleonard |
Making stuff up is their job! |
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| 12:03 |
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paulderscheid[m] |
I think citing sources is the way to go here. |
| 12:13 |
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magnuse |
someone here tested chatgpt with "tell me 5 things about koha", and 2 or 3 of the answers sounded plausible, but were entirely made up... |
| 12:13 |
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magnuse |
thanks cait ashimema kidclamp - i couldn't find traces of the calendar in there either, but it would have explained the problem i was seeing :-) |
| 13:12 |
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kidclamp |
https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]pment_environment |
| 13:12 |
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kidclamp |
Is this out of date now? I can't get any languages to list |
| 13:16 |
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PedroAmorim[m] |
kidclamp: are you on ktd? |
| 13:16 |
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PedroAmorim[m] |
I have to run:... (full message at <https://matrix.org/_matrix/med[…]YZVYvXKyLDXYUDbiP>) |
| 13:16 |
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PedroAmorim[m] |
from https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]ha-testing-docker |
| 13:16 |
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PedroAmorim[m] |
to have it work on ktd |
| 13:17 |
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Joubu |
a chown and/or reset --hard in misc/translator/po will certainly fix the problem |
| 13:18 |
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kidclamp |
yup, reset did it, thanks |
| 13:18 |
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Joubu |
kidclamp: which error did you get? |
| 13:19 |
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kidclamp |
I just got nothing |
| 13:19 |
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kidclamp |
but I needed: sudo koha-translate --list --available --dev kohadev |
| 13:19 |
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kidclamp |
without dev it stil iddn't list anything and no error |
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Joubu |
hum ok, maybe the gulp error was hidden then |
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Joubu |
https://gitlab.com/koha-commun[…]translation-files |
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Joubu |
I wrote that, but I think it's missing a case |
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Joubu |
in the " |
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Joubu |
Common problems" part I mean |
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Joubu |
oleonard: I have attached several patches on bug 35329. It is missing a bit of styling inside the modal (the 'info' messge for "xxx patrons added") and maybe a bit more on the nested modal |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=35329 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Needs Signoff , Move patron searches to a modal |
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Joubu |
oleonard: but overall it's ready for testing I think |
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oleonard |
Cool, I will take a look |
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Joubu |
I spent too much time on that one... :D |
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Joubu |
and I still need to provide tests... |
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ashimema |
hmm |
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ashimema |
is metacpan struggling today? |
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cait |
ashimema: could you check on the release tema patches? had a question about wiki roles |
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ashimema |
er, sure.. in a few mins |
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* magnuse |
settles in for an upgrade |
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magnuse |
that's a new one: Can't use string ("Rosalie") as a HASH ref while "strict refs" in use at /home/kohaadmin/kohaclone/about.pl line 751 |
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magnuse |
just upgraded to 22.0506000 |
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Cesar |
Estimados, saludos desde Argentina. Les quería dejar la inquietud. Estoy trabajando sobre las hojas (plantillas) de autoridades, y el programa no me deja exportar la hoja de trabajo Género/Forma. Será un problema del SIGB o no deja exportar? Agradecería ayuda |
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caroline |
Cesar, that sounds like a bug, you should report it on bugzilla |
| 22:16 |
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caroline |
I think it may have to do with the fact that GENRE/FORM has a slash in the code? None of the other codes have a slash |
| 22:18 |
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caroline |
ah, it has already been reported Bug 33929 |
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huginn` |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=33929 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Failed QA , Cannot export genre/form authority framework |
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