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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29336: Update DBIC schema <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d8ba54eaf99f4a6c3> |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29336: DBRev 21.12.00.009 <https://git.koha-community.org[…]6f7f429825ea2c76b> |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29704: (RM follow-up) Fix typo sned send <https://git.koha-community.org[…]a7010fee70f24b6ee> |
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News from kohagit: Bug 29884: Run missing test in api/v1/patrons.t <https://git.koha-community.org[…]dbac12750572bb8e4> |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29820: Set paging option using boolean instead of string <https://git.koha-community.org[…]4ff061b16c727cfef> |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29336: Remove TODOs <https://git.koha-community.org[…]0bb14237f761dbf62> |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 18540: Update MARC21 biblio XSL file <https://git.koha-community.org[…]6118b147bbe81af27> |
07:22 |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 18540: (QA follow-up) Only mention index_sort_title if defined <https://git.koha-community.org[…]3cace9839449fa01f> |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29812: Add missing use C4::Context in Koha::Token <https://git.koha-community.org[…]1d77a816952891dca> |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29758: Get rid of warning in members/boraccount.pl <https://git.koha-community.org[…]ae772a8175c9d1e3c> |
07:22 |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29704: Add a triggered option to holds_reminder.pl <https://git.koha-community.org[…]0b3a04c4fcc0029b6> |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29464: Make GET /acquisitions/orders honour sorting <https://git.koha-community.org[…]61d07046977e4f1a7> |
07:22 |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29464: Regression tests <https://git.koha-community.org[…]a4112cdf8b878eabc> |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29498: Remove usage of deprecated Mojolicious::Routes::Route::detour <https://git.koha-community.org[…]94e56ecdf6eb446cf> |
07:22 |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29474: Remove one layer of indendation by adding if check in the begginning <https://git.koha-community.org[…]a9db990cefe2a8c41> |
07:22 |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29474: Decouple renewal checks of auto-renewed issues from non-autorenewed <https://git.koha-community.org[…]5b2aaa72d520c8326> |
07:22 |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29474: Return too_soon before checking renewals <https://git.koha-community.org[…]089cf51ba6bb7370a> |
07:22 |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29336: Database revision <https://git.koha-community.org[…]9616bfdde4459aadb> |
07:22 |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29336: Identify the fields with wrong length (or name) first <https://git.koha-community.org[…]aed78bee442b0c564> |
07:22 |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 18540: Handle indexing sort title only when needed <https://git.koha-community.org[…]35d9eabc7ec79ee92> |
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feeding master :D |
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Frido is on a roll :) |
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huginn |
News from kohagit: Bug 29495: Fix TestBuilder.t <https://git.koha-community.org[…]fba410408ff66b39a> |
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Yippee, build fixed! |
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Yippee, build fixed! |
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Yippee, build fixed! |
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koha-jenkins |
Yippee, build fixed! |
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ashimema |
morning |
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fridolin |
_o/ |
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koha-jenkins |
Yippee, build fixed! |
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fridolin |
ouf ;) |
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ashimema |
nice one |
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ashimema |
how are we today frido |
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Yippee, build fixed! |
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ashimema |
sorry fridolin.. pilling more into your queue this morning between my meetings |
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Yippee, build fixed! |
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Yippee, build fixed! |
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Yippee, build fixed! |
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oleonard |
o/ |
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kidclamp |
\o |
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marcelr |
hi #koha |
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Joubu |
~o~ |
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kidclamp |
Joubu is dancing....or he is a bat |
12:38 |
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ashimema |
lol |
12:38 |
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marcelr |
hi kidclamp ashimema ` |
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kidclamp |
hi marcelr |
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marcelr |
@later tell oleonard left a question for you on bug 29458; please check? |
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huginn |
marcelr: The operation succeeded. |
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oleonard |
Hi marcelr |
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marcelr |
hi oleonard |
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* oleonard |
will look |
13:18 |
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marcelr |
thx |
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oleonard |
marcelr: That bug makes me wonder if we couldn't use an include file for the login form |
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marcelr |
ok |
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marcelr |
what i did was a first step in more consistency |
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oleonard |
That's not a criticism of your patches, I'm just wondering if you'd considered that |
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marcelr |
there are subtle differences |
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ashimema |
hi |
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marcelr |
especially for layout and so |
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oleonard |
Yeah might be too messy |
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oleonard |
Regarding the <br/>, you can wrap the submit button in <fieldset class="action"></fieldset> instead |
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marcelr |
would that result in same layout? |
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oleonard |
It creates a line break and adds some padding to the top of the element |
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marcelr |
ok i try that then |
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marcelr |
thx |
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oleonard |
Has anyone looked into changing how we handle the "samesite" attribute of cookies? |
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oleonard |
Firefox now warns about it in the console |
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oleonard |
Cookie “CGISESSID†has “SameSite†policy set to “Lax†because it is missing a “SameSite†attribute, and “SameSite=Lax†is the default value for this attribute. |
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oleonard |
I'm not entirely sure how the various settings relate to Koha's requirements. |
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oleonard |
https://developer.mozilla.org/[…]t-Cookie/SameSite |
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ashimema |
hmm.. I think there may be a security bug open about it. |
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marcelr |
are these warns not there for some time already ? |
14:19 |
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ashimema |
bug 26019 |
14:19 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=26019 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Koha should set SameSite attribute on cookies |
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ashimema |
contains discussion around i |
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oleonard |
Oh cool, I should have looked. |
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oleonard |
I'm running through the staff interface with jQuery Migrate enabled, so checking the console a lot. Eliminating unnecessary warnings would make it easier. |
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marcelr |
hmm i was in that discussion |
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oleonard |
Dev meeting shortly, eh? |
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ashimema |
yup |
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marcelr |
Was no mention on the list |
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ashimema |
hmm.. it's in the calendar |
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tuxayo |
meeting in 2min! |
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tuxayo |
qa_team? |
14:58 |
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tuxayo |
rmaints? |
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oleonard-away |
wahanui? |
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tuxayo |
:o |
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ashimema |
🙂 |
15:01 |
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tuxayo |
#startmeeting Development IRC meeting 19 January 2022 |
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huginn |
Meeting started Wed Jan 19 15:01:31 2022 UTC. The chair is tuxayo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
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huginn |
Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. |
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Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 January 2022) |
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huginn |
The meeting name has been set to 'development_irc_meeting_19_january_2022' |
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tuxayo |
#topic Introductions |
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Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 January 2022) |
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tuxayo |
rmaints? |
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oleonard |
#info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio, USA |
15:02 |
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tuxayo |
i heard rmaints was khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo |
15:02 |
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tuxayo |
qa_team? |
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tuxayo |
well, qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova |
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tuxayo |
#info Victor Grousset, Tuxayo Group Holding Limited, France |
15:02 |
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ashimema |
#info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe, UK |
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nugged |
#info Andrew Nugged, National Library of Finland, HELSINKI |
15:03 |
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tuxayo |
Apologies from Fridolin: «Sorry, children sick at home. Feel free to postpone the points I have noted. Email me for any question. » |
15:03 |
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nugged |
🇠🫖 and 💪 for Fridolin! |
15:04 |
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Joubu |
#info Jonathan Druart |
15:04 |
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tuxayo |
i'll relay ^^ |
15:05 |
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tuxayo |
#topic Announcements |
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Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 January 2022) |
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marcelr |
#info Marcel de Rooy |
15:05 |
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tuxayo |
Any announcement that doesn't fit in another topic? |
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thd |
#info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City, recent COVID capital, testing negative from last week and after effects of severe congestion, fatigue, etc. have greatly. I do not recommend it but very contagious despite vaccination and other precautions. |
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oleonard |
There was a meeting yesterday of interested parties regarding a redesign of the staff interface |
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oleonard |
I will send a brief report to koha-devel today |
15:06 |
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ashimema |
oleonard++ |
15:06 |
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ashimema |
I look forward to reading the report |
15:06 |
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tuxayo |
best wishes for remission thd |
15:07 |
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tuxayo |
great news oleonard |
15:07 |
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thd |
s/greatly/greatly diminished/ |
15:07 |
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tuxayo |
#topic Update from the Release manager (22.05) |
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Topic for #koha is now Update from the Release manager (22.05) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 January 2022) |
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tuxayo |
«How do we manage review of Bug 19532 Recalls ?» |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=19532 new feature, P1 - high, ---, aleisha, ASSIGNED , Recalls for Koha |
15:08 |
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marcelr |
we made plans for that already |
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marcelr |
in earlier dev meetings |
15:09 |
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marcelr |
i asked for more specific timing but got no specific replies |
15:10 |
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tuxayo |
In a previous meeting or in the ticket? |
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marcelr |
depends on what you exactly mean |
15:11 |
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tuxayo |
I missed the previous message. Ok about timing. |
15:12 |
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tuxayo |
@ Fridolin for later: The latest news are in the ticket. IIUC it's feature frozen and a rebase in needed to review and test as is. |
15:12 |
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huginn |
tuxayo: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
15:12 |
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tuxayo |
can't use the at sign at all without huginn noticing ^^ |
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* ashimema |
still struggles with recalls.. is it still nearly a clone of holds code from many years ago? |
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Joubu |
use later tell |
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marcelr |
ashimema: you are backtracking the discussion now? |
15:14 |
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ashimema |
ok.. I'll stay quiet |
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kidclamp |
#info Nick Clemens, ByWater Solutions |
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khall_ |
#info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
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tuxayo |
next point from Fridolin: « There are links to gitweb in https://koha-community.org/get[…]d/for-developers/ » |
15:17 |
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tuxayo |
I might have the right to edit this page where is the repo for documentation now? |
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oleonard |
That could be added as bug in Bugzilla |
15:18 |
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tuxayo |
Indeed |
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tuxayo |
#action tuxayo open ticket and update https://koha-community.org/get[…]d/for-developers/ with the URL of the current git repo (Gitea) |
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tuxayo |
next point from Fridolin: « Add new Bugzilla component for Koha as Mojo App ? » |
15:19 |
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Joubu |
No need to ticket + blabla too long for an update of the website |
15:19 |
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tuxayo |
Are there so many tickets about that an omnibus ticket doesn't do the trick? |
15:19 |
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Joubu |
ping me and I will do it |
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tuxayo |
ok |
15:19 |
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Joubu |
that seems easier for everybody |
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tuxayo |
#action tuxayo postpone «Add new Bugzilla component for Koha as Mojo App ?» and ask for more details |
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tuxayo |
#topic Updates from the Release Maintainers |
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Topic for #koha is now Updates from the Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 January 2022) |
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tuxayo |
rmaints? |
15:22 |
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tuxayo |
i heard rmaints was khall, AndrewFH, wainui and tuxayo |
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khall_ |
steady as she goes :) |
15:23 |
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tuxayo |
nothing to report about 20.11 |
15:23 |
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tuxayo |
moving on then |
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tuxayo |
#topic Updates from the QA team |
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Topic for #koha is now Updates from the QA team (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 January 2022) |
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tuxayo |
qa_team? |
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tuxayo |
well, qa_team is cait, joubu, tuxayo, marcelr, kidclamp, khall, tcohen, ashimema, nugged, kohaputti, petrova |
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oleonard |
No cait1 at the moment? |
15:24 |
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ashimema |
I've been behind on QA so far this cycle personally.. other pressing commitments |
15:24 |
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ashimema |
but I am starting to pick up pace again now |
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marcelr |
ashimema++ |
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ashimema |
we still need more hands.. for the small/trivial bugs there's still a serious lag.. many of them only take a couple of minutes to QA |
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ashimema |
grab it, check it, run the qa scripts.. |
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ashimema |
if more people grabbed one of those a day we'd keep the queue numbers down.. and have more time to concentrate on the bigger things |
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cait1 |
oh yes sorry |
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cait1 |
what ashimema said |
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cait1 |
we need more hands and more QA time overall |
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Joubu |
yes, I am trying to send a short email with a list of easy bugs that should go asap |
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cait1 |
i'd love to see the average 'time in queue' reduced... but it won't be possible with more resources |
15:27 |
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Joubu |
will continue doing it for the next weeks and see if they get attention |
15:28 |
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ashimema |
I've done 12 QA's today.. in a half hour gap I had between meetings 😉 |
15:28 |
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marcelr |
hmm |
15:28 |
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ashimema |
it's not impossible to keep on top of things.. there's just a disitnct lack of apetite |
15:28 |
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ashimema |
most of those were one line string fixes 😉 |
15:28 |
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cait1 |
at the moment wefocus on the bad and ugly mostly |
15:28 |
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marcelr |
too fast qa's is just postponing trouble |
15:28 |
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ashimema |
I agree |
15:28 |
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thd |
:) |
15:28 |
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ashimema |
but typo and string fixes really do only take a few minutes |
15:28 |
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Joubu |
but having the list full of easy but ugly tiny things does not help to see what's exactly in the list |
15:29 |
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cait1 |
not talking about fast... but more time overall and prioritizing |
15:29 |
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ashimema |
exactly |
15:29 |
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cait1 |
so yes, if you have stuff waiting, consider to join the team ;) |
15:29 |
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ashimema |
if we can tackle those quickly.. it focuses the eye on the other one's more |
15:29 |
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cait1 |
i think doing QA 'right' also saves time in the long run |
15:29 |
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marcelr |
only focusing on small stuff, will not get the other ones in |
15:30 |
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cait1 |
bugs fixing issues missed also take time |
15:30 |
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cait1 |
I'd be ok if we mostly did a mix |
15:30 |
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cait1 |
if everyone grabbed the oldest in queue... and 1-3 easy ones constantly, we'd get stuff moving already |
15:30 |
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cait1 |
like strting with the worst/oldest everytime you get to do QA or at least try to |
15:31 |
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marcelr |
yeah some kind of balance |
15:31 |
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ashimema |
my point isn't to say "don't do the hard one".. it was to say.. if you have half an hour between meetings.. pick off a simple QA or two |
15:31 |
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cait1 |
yep |
15:32 |
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ashimema |
don't wait for yourself to have a multi-hour period you may never get so you can attack one hard one 😉 |
15:32 |
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cait1 |
the balance... is the key, discussing it is a good step already |
15:32 |
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ashimema |
but yeah.. we just need more flow as a whole |
15:32 |
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cait1 |
maybe to add for the logs, we have also been talking to Aleisha about the recalls bug (marcelr++ aleisha*++) and hope to have that one moving soon |
15:33 |
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cait1 |
but overall... more resources would help a great deal |
15:34 |
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tuxayo |
#topic Status of roadmap projects |
15:34 |
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Topic for #koha is now Status of roadmap projects (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 January 2022) |
15:35 |
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Joubu |
roadmap? |
15:35 |
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tuxayo |
Is there actually an equivalent this cycle? |
15:35 |
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cait1 |
not sure, is frido around? |
15:35 |
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oleonard |
No |
15:36 |
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ashimema |
there was an intention.. but I don't know that it came to fruition |
15:36 |
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tuxayo |
There might a confusion, the old roadmap document has seed some edits this cycle ^^ |
15:36 |
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tuxayo |
https://annuel.framapad.org/p/koha_21.11_roadmap |
15:36 |
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oleonard |
"todo: Make a roadmap" :) |
15:36 |
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* ashimema |
really has dropped the ball on this cycle so far.. sorry peeps |
15:36 |
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cait1 |
#info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
15:37 |
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marcelr |
Joubu asked for feedback in a mail on dev list |
15:37 |
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cait1 |
ashimema: it happens, we need to be able to deal with people having other projects and stuff |
15:37 |
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cait1 |
shoudl we postpone thre roadmap question and check in with frido on this? |
15:37 |
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thd |
I have fixed image directories missed from rsync when relocating files in the wiki. I can concentrate for the hours required now without risking bronchitis. |
15:37 |
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cait1 |
or assume we'll move them to a new one |
15:38 |
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tuxayo |
#action tuxayo postpone roadmap topic and check in with frido on this |
15:39 |
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tuxayo |
#topic Actions from last meeting |
15:39 |
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Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 January 2022) |
15:40 |
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tuxayo |
« fridolin announces timeframe extension (end of feb) and for this one allow proposals outside eligible continents, keeping priority to actual ones » |
15:40 |
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tuxayo |
done |
15:41 |
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marcelr |
thats kohacon? |
15:41 |
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tuxayo |
yes |
15:42 |
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tuxayo |
#action postpone or ask about the 2 other actions of fridolin. And |
15:42 |
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tuxayo |
« tuxayo check if xt/perltidyrc is used to see if we currently rely on it's values » |
15:42 |
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tuxayo |
it doesn't |
15:43 |
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tuxayo |
it doesn't influence the tests at all. So do we still need it? |
15:43 |
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ashimema |
interesting |
15:43 |
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cait1 |
if we don't need it... removing it seems logical |
15:43 |
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tuxayo |
After emptying it or removing or setting the max line lenght to 40 char no error pops |
15:43 |
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ashimema |
not doing anything.. lets get rid of it. |
15:43 |
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cait1 |
and if we don't enforce/use it either |
15:44 |
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marcelr |
just open a report on Bugzilla :) |
15:44 |
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tuxayo |
ok, who to open the ticket? |
15:44 |
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marcelr |
i dont know how |
15:44 |
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tuxayo |
#action tuxayo open a ticket about the removal of xt/perltidyrc which is not used |
15:45 |
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thd |
Was it ever used? |
15:45 |
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tuxayo |
maybe a long time ago |
15:46 |
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tuxayo |
«tuxayo postpone "Avoid formatting single words within sentences to ease translation (example: Bug 29589)" to wait for test results » |
15:46 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29589 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Failed QA , Translation issue with formatting in MARC overlay rules page |
15:46 |
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tuxayo |
I suppose it's about this https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]g.cgi?id=29589#c6 |
15:46 |
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huginn |
Bug 29589: minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart+koha, Failed QA , Translation issue with formatting in MARC overlay rules page |
15:47 |
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tuxayo |
Anyone has seen the new ticket ? |
15:48 |
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Joubu |
bug 29853 |
15:48 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=29853 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolin.somers, Needs Signoff , Text needs HTML filter before KohaSpan filter |
15:48 |
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Joubu |
I guess |
15:48 |
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ashimema |
not one I've looked at yet |
15:48 |
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tuxayo |
thank for the find Joubu, so done |
15:48 |
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tuxayo |
« tuxayo Update coding guideline JS5 to removed everything from DEPRECATED to the end of JS5. » |
15:48 |
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tuxayo |
donne |
15:49 |
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tuxayo |
#topic General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) |
15:49 |
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Topic for #koha is now General development discussion (trends, ideas, ...) (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 January 2022) |
15:49 |
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tuxayo |
« LTS discussion » |
15:49 |
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tuxayo |
Shall we postpone for when fridolin is there and we have more time? |
15:50 |
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ashimema |
yup |
15:50 |
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marcelr |
postponing++ |
15:50 |
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Joubu |
what's the discussion about? |
15:50 |
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Joubu |
we postponed it 3 times already |
15:50 |
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thd |
LTS |
15:50 |
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ashimema |
true |
15:50 |
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marcelr |
thats tells you something at least |
15:50 |
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cait1 |
i think we need to agreeon the time we support |
15:51 |
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cait1 |
and maybe discuss about regularly dropping rleeases in between |
15:51 |
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ashimema |
to have some formal idea of what our LTS support means |
15:51 |
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Joubu |
it's LTS maintainer to decide |
15:51 |
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cait1 |
and.. write it down somewhere |
15:51 |
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tuxayo |
yes, do we start a formal LTS and advertise it |
15:51 |
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Joubu |
or someone somewhere to decide they will have someone to deal with that |
15:51 |
|
* nugged |
going behind the talk but ... |
15:51 |
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nugged |
> removal of xt/perltidyrc which is not used |
15:51 |
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nugged |
but do we have some recommended perltidyrc which is "proper-iest" one? |
15:51 |
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Joubu |
so a support company |
15:51 |
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cait1 |
an LTS doesn't work wihtout a "promise" of support time |
15:51 |
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ashimema |
how long, how many versions should we actually be supporting.. should we drop some versions and take up a rolling version |
15:51 |
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Joubu |
it's not our job to do that, what if we decide 4 years and next year nobody is willing to support it? |
15:52 |
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marcelr |
we dont have the people to do it |
15:52 |
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cait1 |
well then we can't have an LTS at all |
15:52 |
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ashimema |
something being called LTS means as a community we have committed |
15:52 |
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ashimema |
we need to know what LTS actually means and publish that |
15:52 |
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cait1 |
I agree |
15:52 |
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thd |
ashimema++ |
15:52 |
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Joubu |
drop rangi an email then |
15:54 |
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tuxayo |
> what if we decide 4 years and next year nobody is willing to support it? |
15:54 |
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tuxayo |
We can be confident to always have 3 RMaints and that would mean oldoldstable could be dropped when a 4th RMaint isn't found. This seems a doable promise in general. |
15:54 |
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cait1 |
yes, it would have to take priority |
15:54 |
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ashimema |
personally.. I think we're an already rather stretched team of people ;).. I'd love to see us drop some support and move to a more fluid model for some support |
15:54 |
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marcelr |
just stick to 3 versions ? |
15:54 |
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ashimema |
but also.. if we say we'll do LTS.. what goes into decided that a particular version becomes the next LTS? |
15:55 |
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cait1 |
I was wondering that too |
15:55 |
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cait1 |
after 19.11... what woudl be the next one to become an LTS release |
15:55 |
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marcelr |
20.11 |
15:55 |
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cait1 |
i think we were talking about 2-3 years last time |
15:55 |
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cait1 |
supporting |
15:55 |
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cait1 |
marcelr: can you explain? |
15:55 |
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Joubu |
it should be 3y minimum |
15:55 |
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marcelr |
it is a good release :) |
15:55 |
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ashimema |
https://koha-community.org/abo[…]release-schedule/ will need updating |
15:55 |
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tuxayo |
> just stick to 3 versions ? |
15:55 |
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tuxayo |
Worst case. In the exemple workflow that would be very similar to the current one |
15:56 |
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marcelr |
i think that we want too much |
15:56 |
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Joubu |
it's actually easier than suporting 3 versions |
15:57 |
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Joubu |
we just need to support an old version for those who does not care abotu the new features |
15:57 |
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Joubu |
and to provide them security backport |
15:57 |
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Joubu |
it's the main purpose, security patches |
15:57 |
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cait1 |
yes |
15:57 |
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marcelr |
thats just additional work on top of 3 versions |
15:57 |
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cait1 |
and that's the way we should do it |
15:57 |
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tuxayo |
So it would be stable and LTS so 2. |
15:57 |
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cait1 |
i think that's why ashimema was suggesting to drop one |
15:58 |
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ashimema |
exactly |
15:58 |
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cait1 |
or drop oldoldstable? |
15:58 |
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cait1 |
same versions than now... but bigger gap |
15:58 |
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* ashimema |
would actually like LTS, Stable and Rolling.. as the three |
15:58 |
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tuxayo |
In this case we would drop oldoldstable and oldstable IIUC |
15:58 |
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ashimema |
with rolling meaning a feature release every month |
15:58 |
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tuxayo |
> LTS, Stable and Rolling.. as the three |
15:58 |
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tuxayo |
That could work very well |
15:58 |
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ashimema |
and stable meaning feature stable for 6 months.. |
15:58 |
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thd |
marcelr: Are you really saying that there is a need for the 3 versions in any case because of supporting customers or something? |
15:59 |
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ashimema |
so more of a drop oldstable and oldoldstable |
15:59 |
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cait1 |
i think maybe smaller steps... establish LTS first |
15:59 |
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cait1 |
let the others run out slowly... |
15:59 |
|
cait1 |
and maybe do an oldstable |
15:59 |
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cait1 |
people need to jump on LTS first too |
15:59 |
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ashimema |
or stable becomes a 1 year rather than 6 month feature cadence |
16:00 |
|
ashimema |
the point is to reduce the number of rmaints required |
16:00 |
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ashimema |
and generally try to make our 'dev' branch more stable to begin with for rolling |
16:00 |
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tuxayo |
> or stable becomes a 1 year rather than 6 month feature cadence |
16:00 |
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tuxayo |
++ that's a possibility |
16:00 |
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cait1 |
i am not sure we can do more stable |
16:00 |
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cait1 |
there will always be big patches with possible side effects |
16:00 |
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cait1 |
and communitcating those riskier releases seems a nightmare |
16:01 |
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cait1 |
it might also be confusing to libraries to have even more releases and release notes to check |
16:01 |
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marcelr |
when 21.11 came out, i went to 20.11 |
16:01 |
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marcelr |
so that would not be possible anymore already |
16:01 |
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cait1 |
yes, I think we need to think about the implications for people on different versions now |
16:01 |
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ashimema |
yup |
16:02 |
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ashimema |
all this stuff needs formalising and discussing... just suddently saying we're having an LTS overnight was the problem in my book |
16:02 |
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cait1 |
I think it's good to have a fact and then we can work from there .) |
16:02 |
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cait1 |
but we have only talked about it here... nothing writen up etc |
16:02 |
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cait1 |
we need to now do that |
16:03 |
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ashimema |
yup.. so first step is to just document what we mean by LTS and make it a community commitment |
16:03 |
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tuxayo |
> just suddently saying we're having an LTS overnight |
16:03 |
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tuxayo |
19.11 it's just a version with long support. There was never a promise for support time so there is no issue |
16:04 |
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tuxayo |
And can we know in advance if an LTS will be followed enough to be worth it? |
16:04 |
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cait1 |
ok - what about... we start an lts wiki page |
16:04 |
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tuxayo |
Are many instances doing minor upgrades? |
16:04 |
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cait1 |
add the queestions and our answers and go from there next time? |
16:04 |
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tuxayo |
https://hea.koha-community.org/systempreferences |
16:04 |
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tuxayo |
There are some instances that are on the latests 20.05.x and 19.11.x so it would benefit them to have a long support. Which it the case for 19.11.x |
16:04 |
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tuxayo |
But it's dwarfed by a factor of 15 for 20.05.x and more than 30 for 19.11.x by the instances on versions older than the last 3. |
16:04 |
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cait1 |
tuxayo: we would only do it when necessary (bad bug fixed) but can't tell about others |
16:04 |
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thd |
What would the mechanism be to ensure support? Ensure that someone would be available for maintenance for the duration of the period? |
16:05 |
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cait1 |
I don't think it needs to be for the whole duration, others can take over |
16:05 |
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ashimema |
I'd be interested to see if there are any stats from the deb repos that could give us an idea of how many people actually track the verious releases and don't pin. |
16:05 |
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cait1 |
we alrady do that curently |
16:05 |
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marcelr |
tuxayo hea figures? if so, be careful with older numbers |
16:05 |
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ashimema |
right now we kinda pressurise people into taking on the existing rmaint roles |
16:06 |
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tuxayo |
cait1: I'm not worried about provider involved in the community. |
16:06 |
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ashimema |
it's a given they're needed |
16:06 |
|
ashimema |
so people step in |
16:06 |
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tuxayo |
thd: « Ensure that someone would be available for maintenance for the duration of the period?» If we have a workflow that works with 3 RMaints we shouldn't have an issue |
16:07 |
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cait1 |
yes, keeping it at 3 versions shoudl work, we'd just have a wider gap between lts and others |
16:07 |
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cait1 |
I don't think we'll come to results today |
16:08 |
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tuxayo |
marcelr: I don't why I didn't look 20.11. But for 21.05 it's too recent to see if people upgrade it. Since it was the latest version not long ago |
16:08 |
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ashimema |
indeed |
16:09 |
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marcelr |
just warning because older data is not removed at fixed time |
16:10 |
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tuxayo |
When an instance sent again data, it replace the old one right? |
16:10 |
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tuxayo |
There is an ID for each Koha |
16:10 |
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marcelr |
i guess, but when they leave, the records stays |
16:10 |
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marcelr |
so the picture is not clear anymore |
16:10 |
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thd |
I presume there would be people for maintenance as long as support companies have sufficient demand for such a version which depends significantly on what libraries actually want. |
16:11 |
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tuxayo |
> i guess, but when they leave, the records stays |
16:11 |
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tuxayo |
Indeed, but that should only blur thing for older releases right? |
16:13 |
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marcelr |
well we got out of scope a bit |
16:13 |
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ashimema |
it's not just rmaint burden either.. I've often found myself having to write patches for multiple versions.. sometimes they differ rally quite a lot.. the less parallel versions we support the more reliable we can get I feel |
16:13 |
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ashimema |
but yeah.. lets move on. |
16:14 |
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tuxayo |
What's the next step to plan about the topic? |
16:14 |
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marcelr |
a proposal on the wiki? |
16:14 |
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tuxayo |
So it doesn't stay in limbo |
16:14 |
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cait1 |
+1 |
16:15 |
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tuxayo |
Who to draft one or several workflow proposals on the wiki? |
16:15 |
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tuxayo |
I can participate |
16:16 |
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thd |
ashimema writes a definition of LTS along which includes a path from some current or forthcoming release. |
16:17 |
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ashimema |
I can try to knock something together.. or at least ask rangi or someone what their intentions were |
16:18 |
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cait1 |
i thik we just need a starting point |
16:18 |
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ashimema |
I think, as a company, we're unlikely to actually use the LTS notion.. customers aren't keen on software that ages that much |
16:18 |
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cait1 |
once you start writing it gets a little easier |
16:18 |
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ashimema |
ok.. i'll draft something |
16:18 |
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thd |
ashimema: If customers are not keen, how will it really be supported properly? |
16:19 |
|
cait1 |
i think thre are just different use cases |
16:19 |
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tuxayo |
There are multiple involved actor here |
16:19 |
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cait1 |
a self supported library might be keen on an LTS |
16:19 |
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ashimema |
well ptfs-e is unlikely to be lending a hand.. doesn't mean other companies may not take a different stance/cadence |
16:19 |
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cait1 |
or more i think they will be |
16:19 |
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ashimema |
indeed |
16:19 |
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cait1 |
and we will probably consider it at least |
16:19 |
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reiveune |
bye |
16:19 |
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16:20 |
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ashimema |
yup.. there are certainly people out there |
16:20 |
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ashimema |
we generally have been trying to move to annual feature upgrades |
16:20 |
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thd |
I understand the rationale for the self supported, but they need strong advocacy. |
16:21 |
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cait1 |
we know they are there... and for smaller support proivders it cuold also well be an option |
16:21 |
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ashimema |
so an LTS of 3 years or something wouldn't sit well with customers.. many already don't like having to wait for their sponsored features |
16:21 |
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cait1 |
it really depends on your environment, resources etc. |
16:21 |
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ashimema |
indeed |
16:21 |
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ashimema |
I'm totally not against it |
16:21 |
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cait1 |
not toally? ;) |
16:21 |
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ashimema |
lol |
16:21 |
|
ashimema |
right.. moving on.. |
16:21 |
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cait1 |
it is a chance to talk about how we do things too of course |
16:22 |
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ashimema |
what's next tuxayo? |
16:22 |
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tuxayo |
> there are certainly people out there |
16:22 |
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tuxayo |
Yes, like Catalyst that support 19.11 even if they aren't using it and I support oldoldstable without providing it too. So no worries as long as it requires 3 RMaint |
16:22 |
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tuxayo |
#action ashimema drafts an LTS proposal. (tuxayo can help!) |
16:22 |
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tuxayo |
#topic Set time of next meeting |
16:22 |
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Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Development IRC meeting 19 January 2022) |
16:23 |
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tuxayo |
It would be the 2 february then |
16:24 |
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tuxayo |
same time I supose |
16:24 |
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ashimema |
lol.. I started to try and get a discussion going about this in 2019: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Versioning_-_Next |
16:25 |
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tuxayo |
lol |
16:25 |
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tuxayo |
#info Next meeting: 2 February 2022, 15:00 UTC |
16:25 |
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tuxayo |
#endmeeting |
16:25 |
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huginn |
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huginn |
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Minutes (text): https://meetings.koha-communit[…]2-01-19-15.01.txt |
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Log: https://meetings.koha-communit[…]19-15.01.log.html |
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oleonard |
tuxayo++ |
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tuxayo |
thanks all for sticking for so long |
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ashimema |
tuxayo++ |
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thd |
Stay safe everyone. |
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oleonard |
Thanks for chairing tuxayo |
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cait1 |
tuxayo++ |
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cait1 |
bye all |
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tuxayo |
ashimema: LTS and rolling was already there! |
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ashimema |
indeed |
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ashimema |
it's been an idea that's been mulling around for years |
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thd |
Do not believe that "some mild symptoms" with a small risk of extra badness is the only problem with what the world is trying to avoid. I felt worst of all after testing negative again after a few days of feeling somewhat better. Overactive immune response and consequent problems is really best avoided. |
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thd |
Continuing to wipe down shared keyboards is probably a good idea along with keeping further away from everyone who breathes even with masks. |
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* thd |
has to go in to work today off schedule. The source of all infection for me. At least, now I am probably highly immune to recurrence for a little while. |
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Kate |
Hello All, |
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Kate |
I have tried to find a report for gathering records with duplicate EAN rather than ISBNs, but no luck. Does anyone know of a link to one? Thanks! |
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Kate |
IDENTIFY |
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News from kohagit: Bug 29889: Incorrect library check in patron message deletion logic <https://git.koha-community.org[…]3a1ca35af9ad5f9c0> |
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News from kohagit: Bug 11750: (QA follow-up) Remove unconditional warn <https://git.koha-community.org[…]388aa5509db454ef4> |
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News from kohagit: Bug 29806: (follow-up) Call ->as_list for ->pickup_locations on request.pl <https://git.koha-community.org[…]d724858e6425b7722> |
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News from kohagit: Bug 29806: Call ->as_list for ->pickup_locations on request.pl <https://git.koha-community.org[…]23c25a96018bf368d> |
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News from kohagit: Bug 29807: Make Branches plugin handle empty pickup locations list <https://git.koha-community.org[…]afaacb9803e9b9740> |
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News from kohagit: Bug 29807: Regression tests <https://git.koha-community.org[…]8b60e3a9d4e142e9d> |
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News from kohagit: Bug 18320: Remove calls to CGI->param from the templates in patron cards <https://git.koha-community.org[…]3b3c00d58d68a347e> |
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News from kohagit: Bug 29764: Fix incorrect EmbedItems RecordProcessor filter POD <https://git.koha-community.org[…]3dc2fb9cf99ef7054> |
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News from kohagit: Bug 11750: Hide patron's attributes on overdue list if needed <https://git.koha-community.org[…]7f39e82dc278d897d> |
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News from kohagit: Bug 18320: Remove patroncards/edit-layout.pl warnings <https://git.koha-community.org[…]11aff68e4994f4275> |
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