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Bonjour alex_a :) hi #koha |
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Guten Morgen cait1 ! |
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\o/ |
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monring |
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cait1 around still? |
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Hi #koha |
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cait |
ashimema: doing online traning this week |
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cait |
so... i am done for today but not sure i'd define myself as "around" :) |
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ashimema |
I wanted to quiz you about translations and the breadcrumb |
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cait1 |
ashimema: i am really torn there - i think probably you ar e right and we should multi-line them |
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ashimema |
Yeah.. I'm a bit torn too |
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ashimema |
I think you're right for other cases.. I wasn't really aware how the strings get split for multi-line blocks.. |
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ashimema |
but actually.. in the breadcrumb case it feels like the split on 'slug' is a right thing to do |
| 11:36 |
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ashimema |
but... I'm not 100% sure on contextual needs so am needing guidance really |
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ashimema |
what do you think about the breadcrumbs oleonard |
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ashimema |
I've querying whether we should have a guideline regards splitting/not splitting them over multiple lines (in code layout) |
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oleonard |
Are we talking about a particular bug? |
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ashimema |
a particular bug highlights it |
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oleonard |
Does the line split affect translations? |
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ashimema |
just digging out the number |
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cait1 |
it can |
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ashimema |
bug 27583 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27583 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Signed Off , Clarify how cash management fits together |
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ashimema |
comment 5 |
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cait1 |
i kinda thought at the time we had a guideline fo rit... but hten later got quite confused |
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cait1 |
so don't take it too serious yet |
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ashimema |
I think we should add a guideline.. I'm not taking it personally at all.. but yeah, with a guideline it'll be much clearer for us devs to know which way to jump ;) |
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oleonard |
Can we leverage the new translation context option to improve things? |
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cait1 |
not sure |
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ashimema |
personally, I feel like splitting by slug actually enhances translatability.. and if/when extra context it needed we can use the new tools as you say oleonard |
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cait1 |
I can't think of something in this case |
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ashimema |
but.. I don't translate.. so I'm a poor person to give recomendations |
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cait1 |
yeah i think i'd go with that ashimema |
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ashimema |
I'm sure there are subtleties I'm missing |
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cait1 |
the problem is not the module names |
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cait1 |
it's hte last bits |
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cait1 |
that can be a little hard to tanslate... but with context when we need it that would work |
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ashimema |
so yeah. those need the context stuff adding |
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ashimema |
once I look up how to add them ;) |
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cait1 |
i think i'd not add them right now |
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cait1 |
because that also moves them out of the staff po and into the messages po |
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cait1 |
i'd do it when needed |
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ashimema |
oh, interseting |
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ashimema |
I wasn't aware that was the case |
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cait1 |
yeah, they get pulled on the fly then |
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ashimema |
okies |
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oleonard |
Is that a problem? |
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cait1 |
no, it's ok |
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cait1 |
but i think ont necessary to do the work and contextualize all the things right away |
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MarkHofstetter |
hi, has anybody experience how to integrate e-books from a 3rd party provider - ILL doesn't seem to fit right for me because it's not really seemless |
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cait1 |
what's the goal? i mean integrate how? |
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cait1 |
the most common is getting the metadata and loading them with links to the provider |
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ashimema |
well.. I'd be happy to replace my followup with the contextualising of the last slug.. could make a good example for a guideline if that's what we think would be most helpful |
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cait1 |
but not sure if that's what you had in mind? |
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MarkHofstetter |
importing the metadata is easy but keeping state is a little difficult, because there are no hooks (i am aware off) to plugin in the lending process |
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oleonard |
MarkHofstetter: OverDrive, for instance, has an API that allows browsing and checkout. |
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cait1 |
yes |
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cait1 |
or... Records something... oleonard help? |
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cait1 |
MarkHofstetter: there are only very few providers offering lending |
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cait1 |
usually for public libraries |
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oleonard |
MarkHofstetter: If the external service doesn't offer an API I don't think you can do much more than show the records in the catalog |
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cait1 |
Onleihe? *makes a guess* |
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MarkHofstetter |
the provider api (divibib) is not the problem, where to put it into koha |
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cait1 |
yeah ok |
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cait1 |
you can look at how the lmscloud fork has done it |
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MarkHofstetter |
it's onleihe yes |
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cait1 |
we only link to them |
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cait1 |
and lending is done on their portal - but lmscloud has a deeper integration |
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cait1 |
and you could look at how it was done for overdrive in Koha |
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cait1 |
the concept is pretty similar afaik |
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MarkHofstetter |
Ok that's interesting |
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MarkHofstetter |
are those implementation Open Source ? |
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cait1 |
overdrive is in koha community |
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MarkHofstetter |
ok but I am correct that ILL is the wrong place? |
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cait1 |
yes |
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cait1 |
ILL is for lending physical materials from other libraries |
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cait1 |
oleonard: is your library using overdrive? |
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tcohen |
morning |
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oleonard |
We don't use the API, we just load the MARC records |
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cait1 |
my impresison was that when yo usearch it shows the overdrive results and then you get a seaprate result list you could check out from, but all in the Koha OPAC? |
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cait1 |
ah ok |
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cait1 |
hi tcohen! |
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oleonard |
cait1: I think that's correct if I recall from testing. |
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cait1 |
thx! |
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cait1 |
Onleihe is a German thing, but I believe very similar |
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cait1 |
you lend DRM'd files for an amount of time, can place holds etc. |
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MarkHofstetter |
so lmscloud basically forked koha, that's something I'd like to avoid |
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ashimema |
sorry bug 5697 got stuck oleonard.. I really liked that one |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5697 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Automatic linking in guided reports |
| 11:57 |
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cait1 |
MarkHofstetter: you could submit that back to community |
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cait1 |
but i'd also try to avoid forking :) |
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ashimema |
take inspiration from lmscloud and then submit it back to community :) |
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ashimema |
or look at it for inspiration for a plugin? |
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cait1 |
yep |
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MarkHofstetter |
I'll try I'd like to do it in a plugin, |
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cait1 |
exactly :) |
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hasn't really got too close with OverDrive or other integrations yet himself |
| 11:58 |
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cait1 |
i hink a lot of libaries would find it useful |
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cait1 |
well... around here at least |
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MarkHofstetter |
btw had anybody the time/interest to look at https://github.com/HKS3/koha-p[…]in-link2wikipedia |
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ashimema |
I know how I'd like to do eBooks but I've never had a chance to actually do it |
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MarkHofstetter |
ashimema, basically I'd want to like a seamless integration |
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ashimema |
that plugin looks pretty cool |
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MarkHofstetter |
thx feedback is very welcome |
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ashimema |
I'd love to see records added to koha (so we get searching natively inline) |
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ashimema |
but also having lending links and lending status displayed/accessed inline in the results |
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MarkHofstetter |
records aren't the problem, your second point is |
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ashimema |
yeah.. I don't know what options the API's have. |
| 12:01 |
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ashimema |
but that's the seemless approach i'd love ot see |
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ashimema |
I think at the moment the OverDrive stuff gives you a parallel search.. so you have two tabs to look at.. which, to me, doesn't seem as seemless |
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MarkHofstetter |
the onleihe api is somewhatr strange, the only thing I havent found is that the provide a download link |
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ashimema |
I bet it's all tied up in copyright ;) |
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MarkHofstetter |
I'll download the MARC files from them, import them with a fake barcode |
| 12:02 |
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ashimema |
my experience so far is that these things tend to be rather walled gardens and as such very difficult to work with :( |
| 12:02 |
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cait1 |
I think one problem was that there are providers wher eyour ebook collection might change a lot |
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cait1 |
you might add and remove records constantly... so that's hwen people prefer search over API (I ugess) |
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MarkHofstetter |
you'll get "Makulatur" List to remove those books |
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cait1 |
but we also do the metadata here more and I like that better personally (one result list) |
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MarkHofstetter |
API would be nicer |
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MarkHofstetter |
but it's not that dynamic |
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cait1 |
in our case they are maintained in the union catalog |
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cait1 |
and we get id lists for deleting |
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ashimema |
merging records into search results is hard |
| 12:04 |
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cait1 |
for Onleihe |
| 12:04 |
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cait1 |
but htat's a pretty unique solution i guess |
| 12:04 |
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cait1 |
ashimema: yeah, i think that's the problem |
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cait1 |
i think there was talk about similar concept to solr shards with elasticsearch? |
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MarkHofstetter |
the only thing I see so far you'll need to access their page is to actually download the ebook |
| 12:04 |
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cait1 |
that might make it easier, but don't know |
| 12:05 |
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MarkHofstetter |
I can(have to live with that |
| 12:06 |
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cait1 |
MarkHofstetter: I recommend looking at the code i posted before |
| 12:06 |
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MarkHofstetter |
I'll see to it in my nightshift - thanks a lot as always |
| 12:07 |
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cait1 |
sure, not sure we are always helpful, but always trying ;) |
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tries to work out how to get to the author page in the opac and fails |
| 12:08 |
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ashimema |
I like the sound of your plugin MarkHofstetter |
| 12:08 |
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MarkHofstetter |
"the sound" ,-) |
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ashimema |
how about adding the wiki summary to the top of author search results too? |
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MarkHofstetter |
that'd be no problem |
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is re-indexing his dev machine.. seems I haven't done that in a while.. hense things were showing funny |
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cait1 |
:) |
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cait1 |
hm just seeing that the german library conference is planned as hybrid event... |
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cait1 |
*sigh* |
| 12:16 |
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ashimema |
is there a bug in the opac on master at the minute? |
| 12:16 |
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ashimema |
I'm seeing a random '1' character in the top right and the 'Skip to main content' link is alwayd visibile |
| 12:17 |
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cait1 |
i am not seeing that |
| 12:17 |
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cait1 |
but i have other display issues |
| 12:17 |
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cait1 |
bu toleonard went missing! |
| 12:17 |
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cait1 |
bug 27889 |
| 12:17 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27889 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Form fields in OPAC are "out of shape" and pull downs in wrong font |
| 12:17 |
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cait1 |
oleonard-away: good you are back btw... even if away |
| 12:18 |
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MarkHofstetter |
same thing here with the '1' |
| 12:18 |
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cait1 |
hm let me see |
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cait1 |
i am not seeing it, but migh thave to do a git pull again |
| 12:20 |
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cait1 |
oleonard-away: i'd be really happy if you oculd have a look at bug 27889 as this is in stable releases |
| 12:20 |
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ashimema |
I think it's a very recent thing.. I didn't see it before today |
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* cait |
waves |
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magnuse |
\o/ |
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fridolin |
cait: hello, Bug 24359 i can revert if needed |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=24359 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, agustinmoyano, Pushed to stable , Remove items from Holds Queue when checked in |
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fridolin |
or maybe we need a good release note text |
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oleonard |
I thought we fixed the issue with the pulldowns being the wrong font |
| 13:28 |
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cait |
Fridolin++ |
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cait |
oleonard: it could be, but maybe not backported? i don't see the font one in master |
| 13:29 |
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cait |
but the length of the inputs is off overall in 20.11 and master |
| 13:29 |
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cait |
hm i thnk henry pointed out which bug the font one might be |
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* cait |
wishes she had properly written it down |
| 13:29 |
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cait |
oh, it#s on ht bug |
| 13:30 |
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cait |
bug 27566 |
| 13:30 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=27566 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , CSS rule not applying to HTML select / option - displays with serif font ignoring rules |
| 13:31 |
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fridolin |
thre is a link with Bug 24359 ? |
| 13:31 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=24359 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, agustinmoyano, Pushed to stable , Remove items from Holds Queue when checked in |
| 13:31 |
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fridolin |
strange, its not a UI change |
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fridolin |
cait: ^ |
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oleonard |
$item->{pickup_locations} = 'Any library'; |
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oleonard |
:| |
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oleonard |
Ah, tcohen beat me to it, bug 26999 |
| 14:07 |
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huginn |
Bug https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=26999 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , "Any library" not translatable on the hold list |
| 14:19 |
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cait |
fridolin: was more thinking it's a workflow change |
| 14:19 |
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cait |
oleonard: what do you think about this one? |
| 14:19 |
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cait |
the remove items from holds queue |
| 14:20 |
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oleonard |
About whether to backport? |
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fridolin |
oleonard: yep |
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oleonard |
I don't know... I always to expect backports to be conservative, so I guess I wouldn't expect this one to be a candidate. |
| 14:23 |
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oleonard |
However, if the question is whether people would find it disruptive, I would say no. |
| 14:23 |
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oleonard |
...because it's annoying that the holds queue doesn't update. :) |
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tcohen |
we are making the queue update faster, aren't we? |
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tcohen |
the default frecquency for holdsqueue to update is hourly |
| 14:39 |
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tcohen |
this makes some cases update faster |
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cait |
oleonard: i think it's a good change, was just not sure about the disruptive bit |
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cait |
fridolin: so we keep it? :) |
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cait |
tcohen: i added a release_notes-needed tag |
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cait |
coudl you or Agustin take care of it? |
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fridolin |
cait: i'd say yes, 20.11.x is still young and it has been asked in 2020 |
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cait |
cool :) |
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cait |
oleonard: thx for fixing up my follow-pu |
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oleonard |
I wasn't fixing your follow-up, I was adding more follow-up! |
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oleonard |
RE: RE: RE: FW: FW: |
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cait |
oh no :) |
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cait |
thx tcohen |
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tcohen |
:-D |
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ashimema |
huh.. did I miss a bug saying we would change the defaults for the holdsqueue builders in the cron? |
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ashimema |
didn't I daemonize that and add a lock? |
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tries to remember.. |
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reiveune |
bye |
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cait |
ashimema: i think you wanted to, not sure if you actually patched it :) |
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ashimema |
sounds like me |
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drops the mouse and keyboard for today |
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cait |
bye #koha! |
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ashimema |
see ya |
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oleonard |
cait's back |
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oleonard |
cait have you seen this error from the translation script, "misc/translator/Koha-pref.pot:5041:37: invalid multibyte sequence" ? |
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cait |
yes |
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cait |
but i have on idea about it :( |
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cait |
did you have a couple of fatal ones too? |
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cait |
well more than a couple |
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cait |
i had stuff like this too |
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cait |
msgmerge: found 4 fatal errors |
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cait |
misc/translator/Koha-messages.pot:11:35: syntax error |
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misc/translator/Koha-messages.pot:11: keyword "n" unknown |
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cait |
misc/translator/Koha-messages.pot:12: end-of-line within string |
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oleonard |
Mine were all "invalid multibyte sequence" when updating fr-FR. |
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37th character is indeed è... I'm thinking maybe it's `+e instead of è? (or the other way around) it happens sometimes with data that I get from elsewhere |
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now that all circ rules are in circulation_rules, does that mean that we could have partial rows? like All/Books the fine is 0.25$ and Teacher/Books is maxissueqty 25, Student/Books is maxissueqty 10 |
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