IRC log for #koha, 2019-10-25

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06:33 magnuse \o/
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06:34 reiveune hello
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06:47 ashimema Yikes, looks like I broke loads of tests.. 😟
06:47 ashimema But they all passed for me just before push.. grrr
06:48 marcelr hi ashimema
06:48 marcelr having the impression that it was a bit hurried
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06:54 ashimema q
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06:56 ashimema well the issue is obvious.. but I can't see why it's suddenly happening
06:56 ashimema neither of the default datasets are getting loaded in install
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06:58 * ashimema reads misc4dev
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06:59 fridolin hi
07:00 ashimema found it
07:02 ashimema ok.. so the one change I made after a chat with cait about it was to remove installer/data/mysql/en/man​datory/account_debit_types.sql (because we have /installer/data/mysql/account_debit_types.sql already).  Seems although in the patch we have updated C4/ to account for that.. misc4dev doesn't use the installer.. it installs the data itself in a slightly different manor
07:04 marcelr ashimema: depending on stuff outside the regular codebase is tricky
07:04 marcelr remember discussion with Jonathan about getting it in the codebase
07:04 ashimema indeed.. I wasn't aware of that little caveat in misc4dev.. I thought it ran the installer and then populated data on top
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07:10 alex_a Bonjour
07:11 ashimema we need to sit down and help bernardo get these translated sql files into the normal translation workflow..
07:11 ashimema they're a pain to maintain at the moment
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07:13 magnuse but it isn't just a question of translating?
07:13 magnuse they set things like the proper dateformat, firstdayoftheweek etc?
07:14 magnuse localized sample libraries and patrons...
07:14 ashimema I don't believe the files in /installer/data/mysql/lang// are picked out by our tools.. so they don't appear on
07:15 ashimema they're simple to translate.. but they often become out of sync
07:15 ashimema because they're not obvious ;)
07:15 ashimema indeed
07:15 ashimema they're simple enough.. my point is they're nto obvious and often get missed.. both at QA time and translation time
07:17 ashimema in this case.. they weren't missed.. I made a deliberate decision to hard code descriptions for accounttypes into the templates so they are picked up by the tools.. but that also leads to ambiguity as to where the description strings are coming from (this was done at caits request as she predicted that having them in the database would mean they just never got translated when new codes were added)
07:17 magnuse yeah, but often it is not just a question of translating
07:18 ashimema ?
07:18 marcelr we shouldnt have sql files in language folders !
07:18 marcelr i once tried something but i never got it anywhere
07:19 ashimema ok, wasn't expecting to go into this debate today :)
07:19 marcelr you triggered it ;)
07:19 ashimema I'm interested in alternative options for sure.. I don't know enough in depth about the translation workflows at the moment
07:19 ashimema I'm not sure I see the alternative to sql files
07:20 ashimema these mandatory data are loaded simply by sql
07:20 magnuse some of the sql files are not just translated, they are used for setting sysprefs to appropriate values for a country/language
07:21 ashimema true
07:21 ashimema localised rather than translated
07:21 magnuse yup
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07:23 ashimema got an example magnuse?
07:24 magnuse[…]5e9c500d8;hb=HEAD
07:24 magnuse Obligatorisk = mandatory
07:25 ashimema I find the structure in installer/data/mysql confusing
07:25 marcelr you are on the right track
07:25 ashimema oh, interesting.. literally presetting some sysprefs for local requirements
07:27 magnuse yup
07:27 marcelr there is a lot of rubbish in some folders and outdated stuff
07:27 marcelr since nobody is reponsible
07:27 magnuse same for german:[…]m_preferences.sql
07:27 magnuse i have not been good at keeping the norwegian files updated, but i should
07:28 magnuse maybe i should try and update for 19.11
07:28 magnuse well, i should try!
07:28 marcelr i would go for one installer file that only checks if there is a translation available
07:28 marcelr maybe at install time run the english installer file thru some language thing
07:29 ashimema I've always been surprised that the Obligatorisk works actually
07:29 ashimema but now I see it's caught be a slopy regex
07:29 magnuse ?
07:30 ashimema `$requirelevel =~ /(mandatory|requi|oblig|necess)/i`
07:30 ashimema so if someone were to introduce a new language and their word for 'mandatory' happened to not begin with one of the above then it wouldn't be picked up by the installer
07:32 magnuse ah, gotcha
07:36 ashimema ooh..
07:36 ashimema I should move the account_*_types files.. they're all in the wrong place
07:36 ashimema I just copied where account_offset_types had done
07:37 ashimema in fact.. I really don't understand why userflags.sql, userpermissions.sql, audio_alerts.sql are in the top level either..
07:39 magnuse because they are common to all languages?
07:40 ashimema but so is everything under /installer/data/mysql/mandatory/
07:40 wahanui Hmm.  No matches for that, ashimema.
07:41 ashimema as far as I can tell.. those are all 'global' mandatory data's
07:42 magnuse true
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07:44 magnuse "# Paul has cleaned up tables so reduced the count" :-)
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07:56 ashimema ?
07:57 ashimema where did you see that?
08:01 ashimema load_sql_in_order is plain wierd.. the more I look at it the more it makes my eyes hurt :(
08:04 magnuse[…]b0d6;hb=HEAD#l413 :-)
08:09 ashimema lol
08:09 ashimema blimey
08:24 Joubu ashimema: what's the problem?
08:24 wahanui the problem is it has several code issues
08:24 Joubu that's possible
08:24 ashimema what problem?
08:24 wahanui i heard problem was it has several code issues
08:24 Joubu about load_sql_in_order
08:25 ashimema Advice on C4::Installer Joubu
08:25 ashimema why are some files placed where they're placed basically ;)
08:26 ashimema like 'audio_alterts' is at installer/data/mysql/ but message_transport_types is under a /mandatory directory..
08:26 ashimema do you know if there is method to the madness?
08:27 ashimema and.. why we don't just use prefixes on filenames to denote order rather than hard coding an order inside C4::Installer and consequently requireing us to add the filename into the list in there if/when one adds a new file?
08:27 ashimema feels like we should just have /installer/data/mysql/mandatory and then iterate through all files in that directory to me
08:29 Joubu ashimema: consider them at the same level. IIRC the ones under mandatory are the ones we moved from specific (language). The other ones are historical
08:29 ashimema so new ones should probably go into mandatory
08:29 ashimema rather than cluttering the top level further
08:29 Joubu I'd say we should account_offset_types.sql, audio_alerts.sql, userflags.sql and userpermissions.sql to mandatory
08:29 Joubu move*
08:30 ashimema :)
08:30 ashimema glad you agree
08:30 ashimema I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing sometihng
08:30 ashimema * I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something
08:30 Joubu and maybe sysprefs.sql as well actually :)
08:30 ashimema also.. remind me..
08:30 Joubu but need a good sync with other projects (I have at least misc4dev in mind)
08:30 ashimema how do the .txt files come into  it?
08:31 ashimema yeah.. misc4dev caught me out on my last push
08:31 Joubu that's the description we displayed during the install process
08:31 ashimema as you can probably tell by my rushed commit to it this morning
08:31 Joubu display*
08:31 ashimema I see
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08:36 Joubu I think we should move them, then instead of listing them in misc4dev and C4::Installer we could have only a few at the beginning then load all the others (which does not depend on existing data)
08:37 Joubu and we should also get rid of the .txt files
08:37 ashimema +1
08:37 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23805: (RM follow-up) Correction to sql installer file <[…]2adb20e3ac013be26>
08:39 ashimema that's better.. tests all pass locally again now
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09:26 ashimema just one test now :)
09:41 Joubu ashimema: it's because of the follow-up I asked for yesterday
09:41 Joubu the ->holds that must not returnundef
09:41 ashimema thought it might be
09:42 ashimema I'm just about to start digging.. unless of course you already are?
09:42 marcelr Joubu: stripping the db name wasnt really part of the scope ?
09:43 Joubu ashimema: patch attached
09:44 Joubu marcelr: I do not manage to know if it's a mariadb/mysql or change between 2 versions. If we can fix everything on one bug report I think it's better :)
09:44 marcelr hmm will strip it ;)
09:46 ashimema ?
09:46 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23413: Fix tests <[…]7238fc3389a18f88a>
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10:17 marcelr htg
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10:32 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23579: Remove default value for MEDIUMTEXT borrower_modifications.changed_fields <[…]164b179833f712aeb>
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10:50 koha-jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
10:50 wahanui Congratulations!
10:50 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #417: FIXED in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/417/
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10:55 ashimema_ seems my irc client is going funky again today :(
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11:01 magnuse kia ora khall
11:01 khall mornin magnuse !
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11:37 oleonard Hi #koha
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11:55 ashimema 23234
11:56 ashimema oops
11:56 ashimema wrong window
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12:00 * oleonard empties ashimema's bank account with that PIN number
12:00 ashimema hehe
12:15 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23579: (RM follow-up) Fix failing tests <[…]385804d06740097ad>
12:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23529: (QA follow-up) Fix closing bracket, add label <[…]af08ee2126f34947f>
12:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23529: (follow-up) Fix syntax error <[…]1775ac4b55d82c874>
12:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18743: Correct number of pending suggestions (acq home page) <[…]805036ddbc7f3e4fa>
12:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18743: Fix suggestion listing when organized by library <[…]03c6c8dcfb7f6e094>
12:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23529: Narrow scope of changed <[…]4b0f2453a3aff4923>
12:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 17168: (follow-up) QA concerns and rebase issues <[…]e0f380f334a3ddf6f>
12:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 17168: Remove <[…]0336b4fb63891035b>
12:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 17168: Add Koha:Script -cron, remove Dumper <[…]7d50a26e7226f0923>
12:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 17168: (follow-up) Address QA concerns and update for strict mode <[…]1c6de82a08ea878ee>
12:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 17168: (follow-up) Clean up QA errors <[…]169308d38e99d4d6f>
12:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 17168: (follow-up) Tidy, clean params/options, use date tools <[…]1439e64d145c66cef>
12:25 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 17168: Add a command line script for updating patron category based on status <[…]1a5e8d56153f10dfe>
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13:37 wizzyrea i'm doing some maintenance on the KC website, there may be brief outages.
13:37 magnuse wizzyrea++
13:42 magnuse have fun #koha!
13:44 caroline_catlady hi all!
13:45 lari wizzyrea: any update on the support companies list issue?
13:50 oleonard wizzyrea++
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13:57 ashimema https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=13897
13:57 huginn Bug 13897: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, In Discussion , Use XML files for installer data
13:57 wizzyrea lari: if I'm lucky I'll get to look at it today
13:58 * ashimema wouldn't mind some training on how to do that wizzyrea ;)
13:58 wizzyrea well it's currently kinda broken
13:59 wizzyrea and it'll probably be different when it's fixed
13:59 wizzyrea so let me work out how it's gonna go and then I'll show you :)
13:59 ashimema i see
13:59 wizzyrea today is jessie -> stretch
13:59 wizzyrea i mean that's the maintenance that could cause outages.
14:00 ashimema okies :)
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14:31 reiveune bye
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15:03 wizzyrea alright I think I'm done breaking for the moment, it's all shiny and fresh.
15:04 wizzyrea new php and everything!
15:04 ashimema wizzyrea++
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15:06 caroline_catlady Is (excuse the immense lag in the beginning) the same as bug 22269?
15:06 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22269 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Pay amount - modal confirmation of amount to return to patron should be suppressed if attempting to pay (not collect) more than owed
15:07 caroline_catlady I'm not sure because I just set the amount collected higher that the amount to be paid
15:08 caroline_catlady kidclamp maybe? as you were the one who reported the bug
15:09 oleonard wizzyrea: You're very brave to say "php" in this channel
15:14 caroline_catlady bbl
15:20 wizzyrea what, it's wordpress.
15:20 wizzyrea >.>
15:20 wizzyrea speaking of shiny and new
15:20 wizzyrea has anyone done Koha on Debian Buster?
15:21 wizzyrea (also I've gotten over my 'ew, php' - it works for some stuff, and people like it, and it's pretty accessible. Let people use the tools they like.)
15:21 * oleonard agrees
15:22 wizzyrea just happens that it's not the tool we use for Koha, and no we're not going to rewrite it.
15:22 oleonard Not that the idea has never been proposed.
15:23 wizzyrea not seriously >.>
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16:34 wizzyrea lari, about?
16:35 wizzyrea never mind I found what I needed :)
16:39 wizzyrea @later tell lari I've added your contact to the directory
16:39 huginn wizzyrea: The operation succeeded.
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17:04 oleonard anyone have any clever debugging tricks for custom XSLT?
17:07 oleonard I'm currently at blank-screen stage.
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17:23 ashimema wizzyrea the packages aren't happy on buster at the moment.. perl version and Perl module dependency issues.
17:24 Nemo_bis oleonard: what are you using to execute the XSLT?
17:24 ashimema We've got drojf working on it for us.. and already have (the currently failing) D10 builds going in Jenkins
17:24 oleonard Nemo_bis: ...Koha (staff client detail view)
17:24 Nemo_bis emacs has an XSLT mode to validate XSLT, I used it once but was not super happy
17:25 ashimema My tip for xslt issues is to first rule out screwy XML by copying it into an online validator
17:25 ashimema Yeah, if your have a validator in your effort that's even better
17:25 Nemo_bis oleonard: ah, then I'm not sure; usually I just make sure my local xsltproc has the same version as the server and then try it locally until it seems to work
17:26 ashimema Usually it's XML parsing issues in my experience
17:26 ashimema It's not at all forgiving
17:26 oleonard I know it's xslt problems because I'm testing customizations to the xslt
17:27 ashimema[…]-transformer.html
17:28 ashimema In which case.. pass
17:28 ashimema Good luck..
17:28 oleonard I wonder if the server where the xsl file is hosted could be sending it with the wrong content type or something
17:28 ashimema Oh, could be
17:28 ashimema Anything in the logs?
17:29 oleonard Not in the error logs
17:37 oleonard A different online testing tool says "Error: Cannot find a matching 2-argument function named {}encode-uri()"
17:39 oleonard But the only thing different is I've uploaded the XSL files from master to a remote server and pointed the  XSLTDetailsDisplay pref to it
17:48 corilynn_ is there anyway to change what information is returned on this page: /cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/ ?
17:49 corilynn_[…]ea510b908c27faf9a ?
17:51 oleonard Not without hacking the script
17:51 corilynn_ ok
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18:08 tcohen hi all
18:11 wizzyrea hazard warning, I've decided because I'm feeling motivated to go ahead and take the kc webserver to buster from stretch.
18:11 wizzyrea so there may be brief interruptions.
18:27 wizzyrea ok, that's done \o/
18:29 tcohen confetti!
18:29 wahanui o/`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
18:29 tcohen wizzyrea++
18:30 oleonard ฅ^•ﻌ•^ฅ
18:30 wizzyrea it was stressing me out that it was behind!
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18:41 wizzyrea well that was fun
18:45 oleonard wizzyrea: it's weird that we were all sucked into a parallel dimension where the only difference is there aren't jetpacks
18:53 oleonard It doesn't have a proper test plan yet but if anyone is interested, for Bug 23903:[…]/ip-opac-fa-icons
18:53 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23903 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Replace OPAC icons with Font Awesome
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18:55 oleonard Happy weekend everyone
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19:13 wizzyrea man, oleonard talks about jetpacks and I'm putting out fires and I miss it.
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19:50 lukeG1 hey all this is probably worth a look at: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=23904
19:50 huginn Bug 23904: major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Chrome 74 update does not allow use of
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19:55 wizzyrea ^^^ that's gonna be a Big Deal
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19:57 tcohen uh oh
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