IRC log for #koha, 2019-09-30

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06:31 theodoros @wunder Marseille
06:31 huginn theodoros: Error: Failed to load Wunderground API. Check the logs for more information.
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07:01 matts hello #koha !
07:06 tuxayo hello o/
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07:21 * magnuse waves from marseille
07:22 magnuse oh noes, the dashboard is 502 Bad Gateway
07:22 * ashimema waves from the airport
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07:24 kidclamp @later tell oleonard[…]n-system-in-sass/
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07:27 tuxayo hi ashimema  o/
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07:33 tuxayo gmcharlt or rangi : around?
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07:42 clrh \o_
07:44 tuxayo ashimema: In which airport are you?
07:45 ashimema London Luton
07:45 ashimema Just waiting on the security queue.. always the best of times 😉
07:54 magnuse ashimema: enjoy! at least you have irc
07:56 tuxayo ashimema: ho ^^"
07:56 tuxayo When is your arrival scheduled at the Marseille airport?
07:57 tuxayo is up again :D
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07:58 tuxayo gmcharlt rangi , so don't worry, it was about that that I was looking for you.
08:02 ashimema 1340 I land
08:04 tuxayo good!
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08:28 magnuse oh silly me, i added one to the nso queue
08:30 cait ashimema: ptfs sandboxes are broken and bywater ones splode... fun times here ;)
08:34 ashimema Oh, I thought the ByWater ones were ok
08:35 ashimema Or need some Apache magic I think.. I was battling with them last night when I spotted the issue
08:36 ashimema S/or/ours
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08:37 fridolin yolo
08:37 * ashimema is just going to walk to his gate then quickly get the laptop or and saw if I can fix it
08:37 * fridolin in Rue Breuteil
08:38 tuxayo cait: ashimema : isn't it working?
08:39 tuxayo The sandbox show the installer, is this unexpected?
08:41 tuxayo Except if you loaded a DB dump
08:42 tuxayo Wait, one can't choose the DB
08:43 tuxayo Indeed it broken
08:44 tuxayo I hope that isn't my fault due to some "testing"
08:49 ashimema Sorry guys, it was a busy week last week... I didn't get a chance to do as thorough testing on th sandboxes as I'd hoped. 😳
08:49 ashimema Just waiting in the queue for boarding now I'm afraid
08:50 tuxayo don't worry ashimema :)
08:51 ashimema I would hazard a guess that the ByWater ones just need a ByWater person to kick the dB docker.. I sure they said that sometimes died on them
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08:58 ashimema For the PTFS ones I think it's the Apache symlink bit that's failing for me.. somewhere in[…]dbox-instance.yml
08:58 ashimema If anyone better at ansible than me wants to see if there's anything obvious in there whilst I'm on the flight that would be cool
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09:10 * magnuse takes a shot at bug 23112
09:10 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23112 new feature, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Needs Signoff , Circulation of ILL items
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09:20 cait magnuse: you should fix the javascript first
09:20 magnuse oh, ok, just saw that bug
09:31 cait did you find it? i was going to look it up but got distracted
09:32 cait could use a second sign off on that one as well
09:46 magnuse davidnind++
09:48 magnuse cait: found it, but it does not fix the problem, as far as i can see
09:51 magnuse ah, forgot to force reload...
09:51 tuxayo does anyone have ES running on a devbox?[…]devbox/issues/298
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10:09 nlegrand hey
10:10 magnuse kia ora nlegrand
10:11 nlegrand o/
10:13 magnuse \o
10:18 cait tuxayo: me usually
10:19 nlegrand I'm about to port to bugzilla a feature we already use at the bulac:
10:22 nlegrand let's say all our card catalog is not ported in Koha, that our books are in closed stacks and that patrons have access to the card catalog. We have a form where they can type the title, the author and the callnumber. The book and an item are then created and a reserve is done for the patron. Does something like this already exist or can I implement it ?
10:30 magnuse i don't think that exists :-)
10:30 magnuse nlegrand: would it make sense as a plugin?
10:32 tuxayo cait: did you try recently to build a Koha + ES devbox? Because I got this issue:[…]devbox/issues/298
10:37 kohaputti Is RDA cataloging impossible to implement in Koha currently because of the RDA toolkit license? Is there any interest to implement RDA rule based cataloging in Koha? There is no machine readable data format for RDA so I think it might be still early to discuss implementing it in Koha because there is nothing really to implement yet.
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10:39 kohaputti also, are there alternatives for RDA or MARC that we might want to use instead?
10:39 cait nlegrand: it doesn't exist - but i like it
10:40 cait I know it had to be implemented in another ILS for some libraries in germany
10:40 cait same situation - closed stacks and not everything in the electronic catalog yet
10:40 cait kohaputti: you can catalog RDA in Koha... you don't need Koha to know the rules
10:40 nlegrand magnuse: ho maybe, can plugin provide pages for the opac?
10:40 cait the toolkit is like the manual
10:41 cait you can do RDA with MARC - there are RDA fields in MARC21
10:41 kohaputti cait, it is not very user friendly to go to a separate page to read how you should fill fields compared to the system guiding you
10:41 cait we already have them in frameowrks and display them, look for 336-338 for an example
10:41 cait yeah but that you need a license for
10:41 kohaputti cait, and AFAIK we don't have support for things like places
10:41 nlegrand cait: sometimes it feels like after many many years, we will still have some data only in the card catalog ^^
10:42 cait and not sure how much guidance there is available, the toolkit is structured in a different way then the format
10:42 cait kohaputti: what do you mean with places?
10:43 kohaputti cait, AFAIK a place is an "entity" describing a physical place. And entities in RDA are objects that link to each other with some way
10:43 kohaputti cait, I really don't know much about RDA...
10:44 cait well in theory
10:44 cait they are developing bibframe
10:44 cait look into that
10:44 cait i thint it is supposed to be the new format
10:45 cait but.. with luck... it won't be compatible with RDA either :P
10:46 nlegrand is C4::Biblio:AddBiblio on the brink of extinction or no Koha object method is about to replace it soon?
10:46 cait we do support in Koha what is currently 'doable' I think.. but while Germany uses RDA  and we have access to the toolkit... i am not super happy about the way library world sticks to closed standards
10:47 kohaputti cait, if we implement all the RDA toolkit entities and attributes then I think it could be viewed as an taxonomy / api which was being now debated in the Oracle v. Google case in the united states whether it is copyrightable.
10:48 tcohen nlegrand: I think we will add Koha::Biblio->new_from_marcxml and similar methods
10:50 cait kohaputti: as you said, there is nor format to support that
10:50 cait that's why bibframe
10:50 cait the rules are pretty worthless without a presentation of the data
10:51 kohaputti cait, it should be 1-1 mapping in my opinion, and automatically generatable so bibframe would not be a good idea here
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10:53 cait i think you can't implement it without having a standard for the format
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10:54 kohaputti yes, it would be otherwise a mess people doing their own implementations with different ideas of what some RDA rule means
10:54 cait yep
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10:55 cait it's already a bit of a mess
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10:58 kohaputti The RDA project seems to be at least 14 years old so it is strange there has been nothing done about this (or maybe they have done but I just don't know)
10:59 tcohen is joonas around
10:59 tcohen ?
11:01 tcohen libmarc-file-mij-perl is already installed, because it is a Catmandu dependency
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11:11 magnuse rda is like putting lipstick on a dead pig. it's a mess. and it not being an open standard is just laughable.
11:11 magnuse nlegrand: plugins can add pages to the opac, with a bit of trickery :-)
11:12 magnuse nlegrand: i have an example here:[…]#configure-apache
11:15 tcohen magnuse: you can do it much more easily nowadays ;-)
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11:16 tcohen (a page can just be a 'route' in the /contrib area =D)
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11:16 nlegrand tcohen: tell me more!
11:16 magnuse tcohen: ah! is that documented somewhere?
11:17 magnuse or is there an example somewhere?
11:17 magnuse we should have more docs fpr plugin authors :-)
11:17 oleonard Hi hackfest!
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11:18 tcohen magnuse, nlegrand: there are not that much docs, only the kitchensink
11:18 tcohen and maybe what I called a reference implementation for plugins that add routes
11:19 tcohen look at this example
11:19 tcohen[…]a-plugin-innreach
11:19 tcohen[…]
11:19 tcohen those two methods make the plugin 'inject routes'
11:20 tcohen[…]each/openapi.json
11:20 tcohen nothing prevents the defined routes from returning… say
11:20 tcohen HTML
11:20 tcohen :-D
11:20 tcohen so you could make your controller methods just use .tt templates, to render HTML as usual
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11:27 nlegrand tcohen: thank you, I'll check that!
11:30 magnuse tcohen++
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11:40 tuxayo hi oleonard o/
11:40 tuxayo we miss you!
11:41 oleonard Not as much as I miss y'all!
11:42 oleonard *almost* enough to wake up at 3AM to wish you all a good morning :D
11:44 oleonard Anyone else having trouble with ?
11:44 oleonard "gnutls_handshake() failed: The TLS connection was non-properly terminated"
11:44 tuxayo o_o
11:45 tuxayo oleonard: which context? (the error)
11:45 oleonard git fetch
11:45 tuxayo Hi tcohen , have you heard about someone having this issue?[…]devbox/issues/298
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11:50 kohaputti tcohen, that's me, sorry again that I didn't find the package from debian and bothered you with it
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11:51 nlegrand So I will do this another time and go back to old friends I have far too much neglected those last years... Bug 1881 and Bug 14654 :D
11:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1881 enhancement, P3, ---, chris, CLOSED FIXED, Managing Suggestions - default SUGGEST authorised values
11:51 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14654 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nicolas.legrand, BLOCKED , Add desk filter in Holds awaiting pickup list
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11:58 tcohen kohaputti: it's ok! I'll be waiting for the next reviews!
11:59 kohaputti tcohen, we are interested in adding bunch of new API endpoints so I will be sure to review soon your work in more detail.
12:01 tcohen kohaputti: I will try to work on a concrete implementation of HAL this week
12:01 kohaputti HAL, hardware abstaction layer?
12:01 tcohen exactly
12:01 tcohen no
12:01 tcohen he
12:01 kohaputti :D
12:02 kohaputti what does it mean in this context?
12:02 * oleonard opens the pod bay doors just in case
12:02 tcohen[…]
12:02 tcohen its a standard way to embed nested objects, and provide usable links to them
12:03 tcohen so instead of just having a 'library_id' on a hold, you would _embed the whole library object (for rendering, etc)
12:03 tcohen the main problem is we should somehow move the to_api logic into the objects
12:03 tcohen so this is done more generically
12:04 tcohen i.e. each object knows how to render itself
12:05 tcohen I mention it, because if you want to add endpoints
12:05 tcohen you will end up needing something like this
12:05 tcohen and we need more brains/human time
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12:15 tcohen ashimema: there is an inconsistency in the branch/library limitation texts in the templates
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12:44 tuxayo !bang
12:44 AnnaBoten \_x< tuxayo: 1 (245194.31 seconds)
12:45 oleonard So no one else having problems with git fetch using as origin?
12:46 ashimema There is indeed.. didn't I write a bug report for that.. or have you found some more
12:46 ashimema Ps, see you very soon.. just on the coach in from the airport
12:48 AnnaBoten \_o< quack!
12:49 nlegrand !bang
12:49 AnnaBoten nlegrand, you missed the duck!
12:49 nlegrand ma?
12:50 nlegrand ashimema: nice flight! You eat with us tonight?
12:52 andreashm something for the people for on ES at the hackfest: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]_bug.cgi?id=20589
12:52 huginn Bug 20589: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, glasklas, Failed QA , Add field boosting and use elastic query fields parameter instead of deprecated _all
12:53 andreashm apparently Gotheburg will provide a new patch for it today
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13:04 kohaputti tcohen, nice idea with HAL but it doesn't already work on top of swagger?
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13:06 tuxayo !bang
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13:07 kohaputti tcohen, I found this tool that might do the conversion automatically:
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13:13 AnnaBoten \_o< quack!
13:13 oleonard !bang
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13:13 AnnaBoten [('tuxayo', 2), ('oleonard', 1)]
13:13 AnnaBoten Best time: oleonard with 28.63 seconds
13:13 AnnaBoten tuxayo has the lead for the week with 2 points.
13:18 AnnaBoten \_o< quack!
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13:24 oleonard Fly free beautiful duck
13:29 tcohen kohaputti: we might need something like that for documentation, but I'm thinking about how we will generate the HAL structures
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13:30 caroline_catlady good mornng!
13:30 oleonard Hi caroline_catlady
13:30 cait1 oleonard++
13:30 cait1 caroline_catlady: first thing I told Eric was: where is my Caroline?
13:30 caroline_catlady :D
13:30 oleonard YEAH
13:34 magnuse hiya caroline_catlady
13:34 magnuse talking of GDPR, here's a small plugin i started:[…]lugin-stateofgdpr Not done yet, but already hihlights some areas we need to improve...
13:35 magnuse it doesn't try to fix anything, only point out problematic areas
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13:41 oleonard Bug 22926 is a tough one... Picked it up again today only to be discouraged again
13:41 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22926 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Use standard columns configuration on batch item modification and delete pages
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14:14 magnuse tcohen: any chance you can find the time to add a unit test for bug 22280?
14:14 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22280 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , The ILL module assumes every status needs a next/previous status
14:14 magnuse i'd do it, but not sure how
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14:24 cait1 caroline_catlady: still around?
14:24 caroline_catlady yup
14:24 cait1 looking at bug 23675 i think i have figured it out
14:24 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23675 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , UseACQFrameworkForBiblioRecords does not work with diacritics (MARC21)
14:24 cait1 it's hte missing leader
14:24 cait1 the record is created without a leader (me stares down tcohen for a little bit)
14:24 cait1 so Koha doesn't know which encoding
14:24 cait1 to use
14:25 caroline_catlady yes, that is what Maryse found too
14:25 cait1 and that will break thing
14:25 cait1 s
14:25 cait1 ah ok, i am late :)
14:25 caroline_catlady No, don't worry, it was internal discussions
14:25 caroline_catlady But I'm glad you confirm it
14:26 caroline_catlady The thing is that the leader is not included in the fields for that framweork
14:26 cait1 did you try adding a leader or at least a default for it to the framework?
14:26 cait1 yeah
14:26 cait1 that's why I was staring at tcohen
14:26 caroline_catlady AND if it were, the leader plugin doesn't work
14:26 cait1 his feature created invalid data
14:27 cait1 but he is hiding now obviously ;)
14:27 caroline_catlady Yes we were able to correct it for the clinet by adding the 000 field with a default value of something like "         a         "
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14:30 caroline_catlady but I wanted to bring it up to the community because I think either the 000 field should be included in the framework, OR the feature creates a leader seamlessly, OR make the plugin work, OR something else :)
14:31 cait1 reading my mind :)
14:31 cait1 i just said on the bug if a record is created witout, we should enforce it
14:31 cait1 like just add a sane default
14:31 cait1 i mean that's what we do in other places too
14:32 caroline_catlady +1
14:32 caroline_catlady cait++
14:32 caroline_catlady and also cait1++ ;)
14:34 cait1 oh, doubled up cait again? :)
14:34 cait1 is one of yours?
14:34 caroline_catlady yes
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14:36 cait1 looking at bug 23470
14:36 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23470 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Elasticsearch -  OpacSuppression not implemented in search result
14:36 cait1 kidclamp says he tried it but could never 'break' it
14:37 caroline_catlady Ok, let me check with Bouzid, he's the one who is working on ES for us
14:37 cait1 can you check what they are using as 'suppress' value?
14:37 cait1 i was wondering if there could be a configuration difference
14:37 caroline_catlady I would assume it's 942$n
14:38 cait1 yeah, but what values they put in there
14:38 cait1 zebra is pretty much hapyp with anything
14:38 caroline_catlady ok let me check
14:38 cait1 0/empty 1, yes... whatever
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14:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23624: (QA follow-up) Test error cases <[…]3fc3a4828f03e9079>
14:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23624: (QA follow-up) Don't fetch the count unless the query was successful <[…]5e759801227a313fc>
14:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23624: (QA follow-up) Optimize even more <[…]ded2b522a9a2bf868>
14:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23624: Unit tests <[…]2e04dfbc90d863a60>
14:50 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23624: Count rows in report without (potentially) consuming all memory <[…]3d7b48e6adde164da>
14:53 reiveune bye
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14:55 oleonard $ git fetch
14:55 oleonard fatal: unable to access '': gnutls_handshake() failed: Error in the pull function.
14:55 cait1 packing up here
14:55 caroline_catlady cait1, kidclamp re bug 23470: 942$n = 1 and record appears https://profiling.koha.collect[…]ie+fran%C3%A7aise (see 4th result "La poésie française au XVIIe siècle (1594-1630) / par Adrien Cart, biblionumber 7730)
14:55 cait1 be back tomorrow :)
14:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23470 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Elasticsearch -  OpacSuppression not implemented in search result
14:56 caroline_catlady Ok will add it to the bug then :) Have a good evening!
14:56 cait1 just asked kidclamp to read this :)
14:57 kidclamp will poke that tomorrow
14:58 caroline_catlady Yup, I will write up the details in the bug
15:00 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 23624: (RM follow-up) Sponsorship Line <[…]31c96db2c2ce5e026>
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15:25 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #885: SUCCESS in 31 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/885/
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15:30 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #367: SUCCESS in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/367/
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16:17 oleonard Anyone around who might test adding a news item? It's not working for me in master.
16:19 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #430: STILL UNSTABLE in 25 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/430/
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16:29 caroline_catlady let me update my master and I'll try
16:31 caroline_catlady oleonard: I'm not having any trouble... when does it bug?
16:31 caroline_catlady (im on
16:32 oleonard When adding a news item and omitting the "Appear in position: " number
16:32 caroline_catlady I didn't write anything but when I saved, it defaulted to 0
16:33 oleonard Hm.
16:33 koha-jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #368: UNSTABLE in 57 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]a_Master_U18/368/
16:35 caroline_catlady same in FF and Chromium
16:38 oleonard Thanks for trying caroline_catlady
16:38 caroline_catlady sorry I couldn't reproduce...
16:56 * oleonard finds it's connected to "strict mode"
16:59 * oleonard finds there's already a bug report
16:59 * oleonard finds there's already a fix needing signoff
16:59 * oleonard finds that he's not getting much done today
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17:56 wizzyrea dude I'm having an argument with a module that will absolutely not give me warnings
17:56 wizzyrea so I'm not getting much done today either (on top of feeling like a moron.)
17:56 wizzyrea so there's that.
17:57 oleonard wizzyrea: I blame the hackfest
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18:29 oleonard Can anyone confirm that the News "slip" option works? I'm not seeing it
18:46 davidnind[m] oleonard: can confirm that it doesn't work for me when I don't put anything in position - for any news type (Firefox latest + Google Chrome on Ubuntu 18.04)
18:47 davidnind[m] also, when news items don't appear in staff client or OPAC (even after a flush_memcached  and restart_all)
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18:47 davidnind[m] but deleting the default news items makes them disappear straight away from the staff client
18:47 davidnind[m] (using koha-testing-docker)
18:48 kathryn morning :)
18:48 oleonard davidnind[m]: Bug 22544 is supposed to fix Bug 23430, but I can't tell whether "slip" type news is working with or without the patches
18:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, josef.moravec, Needs Signoff , Move C4:.NewsChannels to Koha namespace
18:48 oleonard (I don't think so)
18:48 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=23430 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , News not inserted with SQL strict modes
19:10 davidnind[m] @later oleonard: after applying 22544 can enter news items without entering a position, but OPAC and librarian interface news items don't appear (even after flush_memcached, restart_all and clearing browser history (Google Chrome)
19:10 huginn davidnind[m]: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
19:10 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn.
19:10 davidnind[m] 🤣
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19:13 davidnind[m] @later tell oleonard After applying bug 22544 can enter news items without entering a position, but OPAC and librarian interface news items don't appear (even after flush_memcached, restart_all and clearing browser history (Google Chrome))
19:13 huginn davidnind[m]: The operation succeeded.
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20:11 caroline_catlady looking for an SQL report for payment transactions by branch
20:11 caroline_catlady I found this https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]Library#Yesterday.27s_Payments_by_branch
20:12 caroline_catlady but is there a way to have the branch where the transaction was made?
20:12 caroline_catlady I can't find any mention of branch in accountlines
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21:18 jo Dunno if already documented, but for the record, if someone updated to Debian Buster and their koha didn't work anymore, my quickfix for tonight: downloading http://debian.koha-community.o[…]~kohadev1_all.deb and http://debian.koha-community.o[…]~kohadev1_all.deb and
21:18 jo installing/downgrading those packages with dpkg -i ... fixed it for now :-)
21:22 wizzyrea excellent
21:22 wahanui darn tootin' it is.
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22:55 caroline_catlady good night!
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