IRC log for #koha, 2019-05-13

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06:05 magnuse \o/
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06:35 reiveune hello
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06:35 marcelr hi #koha
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06:57 alex_a bonjour
06:57 wahanui salut, alex_a
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07:07 cedar Hi There! I'm having problems migrating from an ILS to KOHA. The Marc21 file generated throws up errors. Can  some one help?
07:17 * cait waves
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07:18 fridolin hi there
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08:49 Frank_Purcell Greetings everyone. I am fairly new to KOHA, from South Africa and have many questions regarding hosting a KOHA server
09:04 magnuse welcome Frank_Purcell! you can ask your questions here, but your answers will depend on who is here and have the time, so you might get great answers or no answers. :-) the mailing lists are an alternative venue for questions
09:04 magnuse (and it's Koha, not KOHA :-)
09:12 Frank_Purcell thank you for the welcome @magnuse, I work with a company who has 60% of our countries libraries as clients. We offer library security RFID & EM, inventory solutions through RFID, self-service, automated returns & sorting etc. But we do not yet offer an LMS/ILS.
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09:20 Frank_Purcell @magmuse I would like to offer Koha LMS to South African libraries as i know it will assist in 2 main ways. Firstly, the more $$ libraries can save on LMS, the more that can be spent on other important aspects of the library. Secondly, the LMS vendors we currently use are foreign and support locally is limited & not ideal.
09:20 huginn` Frank_Purcell: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready
09:20 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
10:05 cait hi Frank_Purcell
10:05 cait do you have any experience with Koha yet?
10:09 Frank_Purcell hi cait, sorry for slow reply. I have managed to install Koha on a virtual machine using an image. I have not gone into the command lines just yet, and I have not yet connected my virtual machine to the web.
10:09 cait ah ok, using an image for testingis ok
10:09 cait but they are often not up to date with current versions/practices
10:10 cait which version did you install?
10:11 Frank_Purcell understood, I was also worried that the image would not auto-update but i was hoping i could do that through command lines.
10:15 Frank_Purcell I am not too sure of the Koha version, as I am not near the machine at the moment, but its installed on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS
10:18 Frank_Purcell i used Koha Live DVD by vimal0212, uploaded 12-2018
10:20 Frank_Purcell Ive found it, Koha 18.11.x (Stable version)
10:26 cait ok, that's a current version
10:26 cait if you check on hte about page, it shoudl tell you about the exact version
10:27 cait we have monthly bugfix releases and some stuff has been fixed
10:27 cait at the moment we are at 18.11.05
10:30 Frank_Purcell Brilliant, thank you. In terms of Koha operation I had self-trained on the bywater solutions demo, and can now operate my local machine perfectly. I have even connected RFID equipment to the local PC and everything works perfectly. What I want to do now is to make the local version web based an accessible from anywhere, and also make sure that my server can handle the additional load as i add more libraries
10:33 Frank_Purcell I am also considering getting Microsoft to host my server, as my knowledge is still extremely limited. However Im not sure what would be my responsibility and what would be theirs. I still have considerable research to do, but its been difficult finding answers. There is not much linux support in south africa
10:33 wahanui okay, Frank_Purcell.
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10:42 cait wahanui:  is a bot, don't get irritated by him
10:42 cait i think if you get a hosted solution they don't take much care of what you install on it
10:42 cait backup maybe
10:46 Frank_Purcell I am worried that they do not understand the demand the Koha will have on a server as it grows (because I am not too sure myself). In other words, I am worried they will offer me a motorbike frame but I'm trying to install a car engine. =D
10:47 cait i am no ta system administrator myself and no experience there, so not sure
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11:17 paxed it's silly the bot triggers with such a common phrase without explicitly mentioning the bot's nick
11:19 cait it's often hilarious too :)
11:28 ashimema agreed
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11:42 oleonard Hi #koha
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11:45 cait hi oleonard :)
11:46 oleonard_ Network upgrades here... Will probably get bounced again...
11:46 Frank_Purcell hi oleonard =)
11:49 cait oleonard: I was just looking t bug 22215 - do you have a preference for naming?
11:49 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22215 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, NEW , table_borrowers name is inconsistent with other tables
11:53 cait oleonard: did you see my question before falling off?
11:53 oleonard Yes. Looking now.
11:55 cait oki :)
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12:10 magnuse Frank_Purcell: hosting on Microsoft's cloud, or Linode (my choice) or Digital ocean or something similar will probably be ok. Just choose Debian as OS for the best experience. You will have to do most things yourself. You can probably choose the OS to be installed, but after that you are on your own and the cloud provider does care much what yo uput on your vps
12:10 magnuse so you will have to do upgrades (including) the os, firewall, scaling etc
12:39 Frank_Purcell @magnuse thats fine. If i use an image of Koha installed on the same OS, with security, firewall, plugins etc. and then further configure and update manually, would this be fine? if i cant use an image, I will need to do the install manually and the learning curve is extremely steep as I had no knowledge of linux and command lines prior to Koha research
12:39 huginn` Frank_Purcell: I suck
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12:51 magnuse Frank_Purcell: well, as long as you install on Debian it's mostly "sudo apt-get install koha-common". I'm not sure i would trust whoever put together the image with "the rest". and i think DVDs might not be set up with a lot of security anyway?
12:51 magnuse and how would you transfer the DVD image to "the cloud", anyway?
12:54 cait i strongly suggest learning how to instal Koha
13:00 Frank_Purcell @magnuse - i am struggling to link the dvd image to the cloud as we speak, so perhaps the DVD only provides a "local version". I also wouldnt know how to check on the security from where I am now. Perhaps I will simply install the software myself. Quick question then: I already have my own private domain for a personal website. Could i install KOHA on this domain? I have a standard web address but nothing important on it yet
13:00 huginn` Frank_Purcell: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready
13:00 wahanui i already had it that way, huginn`.
13:01 dersmon i am trying to add a field to my zebra authority index (Identifier-standard), inspired by: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]d_new_zebra_index
13:02 dersmon i changed bib1.att and authority-koha-indexdefs.xml, then ran the xslt processor
13:02 dersmon and then a rebuild
13:02 magnuse Frank_Purcell: yes, you can use whatever domain-name you want, but you will need somewhere with full root access to install Koha, so a "regular/simple" webhotel will not be enough
13:03 dersmon but it is not working, what exactly is for?
13:04 cait bye :)
13:08 Frank_Purcell thanks @magnuse, highly appreciate your help. I will investigate with hosts and see what they can offer.
13:12 dersmon ah, I am probably missing "zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/authority/record.abs"
13:19 AndrewIsh Anyone got any ideas why I might suddenly be seeing this error on a branch that's in sync with 18.11.05? "Unknown column 'me.marcflavour' in 'where clause' at /home/koha-koha/kohaclone/Koha/ line 92" It seems to occur when creating a bib record.
13:21 * ashimema hopes he's not got a db update wrong
13:21 ashimema I 'think' marcflavour became schema at some point.. rings a bell
13:23 Joubu AndrewIsh: do you have the whole SQL query?
13:25 AndrewIsh I've figured it out Joubu, in master biblio_metadata.marcflavour is renamed to biblio_metadata.schema, but now I'm back working on 18.11 I need to rename it back!
13:26 AndrewIsh So, yes, ashimema was right. Pesky column renaming...
13:26 magnuse ashimema: that point was :-)
13:26 magnuse Bug 22155
13:26 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22155 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED FIXED, biblio_metadata.marcflavour should be renamed 'schema'
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13:29 AndrewIsh Thanks magnuse It's a super odd choice of name for a column as "schema" feels like the sort of thing that's likely to be a reserved word all over the place!
13:29 ashimema that is indeed the fun of using one DB but switching branches often
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13:44 alex_a !seen corylin
13:44 AnnaBoten I have not seen corylin.
13:44 alex_a !seen corylinn
13:44 AnnaBoten I have not seen corylinn.
13:45 alex_a !seen corylin`
13:45 AnnaBoten I have not seen corylin`.
13:45 alex_a !seen corilyn
13:45 AnnaBoten I have not seen corilyn.
13:45 alex_a !seen corilynn
13:45 AnnaBoten corilynn was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 32 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <corilynn> kewl
13:45 alex_a \o/
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14:01 oleonard Hi wizzyrea
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14:10 dersmon is there an authority variant of: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]d_new_zebra_index ?
14:10 dersmon if not: is /etc/koha/zebradb/ used for both biblio and authority?
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14:12 wizzyrea hi how is everybody
14:17 * oleonard shrugs
14:17 wizzyrea yeah I was sensing that
14:18 wizzyrea :)
14:19 oleonard I guess it's not a ringing endorsement of this Monday so far
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14:30 Frank_Purcell bye all! thanks for the assistance today.
14:33 wizzyrea everyone is headed to kohacon that's where everyone is
14:33 wizzyrea duhhhh
14:33 * wizzyrea might take the day off
14:33 wizzyrea ^.^
14:34 * oleonard should take the week off
14:34 wizzyrea and go to kohacon lol
14:34 wizzyrea :)
14:34 oleonard :'(
14:34 wizzyrea yeah i'm in a similar boat
14:34 wizzyrea KohaCon Left Behind
14:35 oleonard KohaCon Left Behind: The Poors
14:35 wizzyrea ^^^
14:38 oleonard ByWater folks should update https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]/Kohacon19/Social. I assume they're not all staying home
14:43 wizzyrea yeah I know at least kidclamp and khall are going? at least I thought they were
14:45 oleonard Top men
14:47 wizzyrea jeez, this actually might be a bit hard with everybody in transit
14:47 wizzyrea yes I think this is a strong case to give up for now
14:47 oleonard Isn't it too early for everyone to be in transit?
14:48 wizzyrea hm maybe?
14:48 wizzyrea idk I can't raise anybody
14:48 wizzyrea is the east coast still there
14:48 wizzyrea heh
14:48 * oleonard can vouch for the Eastern time zone at least
14:48 wizzyrea birds are tweeting in central idk
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14:50 wizzyrea hm I'll bbl. I had some things I needed to do today anyway (mr's birthday tomorrow)
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15:37 reiveune bye
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15:44 wizzyrea hi again
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16:54 ashimema I is here
16:55 oleonard Well sure ashimema all you have to do is walk out your front door and turn left and you're at KohaCon
16:55 * oleonard may have his geography a little off
16:56 ashimema Lol, nearly
16:56 ashimema I have a 5am flight to catch Monday morning
16:58 ashimema Your not far off.. it's only a 1 hour flight.. just anoyingly timed
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17:48 cait ashimema: I think you got the wrong patches on bug 22836
17:48 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22836 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Tests catching XSS vulnerabilities in pagination are not correct
17:48 cait um bug 22863... which explains
17:48 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22863 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Item replacement cost with tax
17:52 cait oleonard: i just remembered something... there is a quite undocumented feature on how to make borrower attributes mandatory... is that taken into account with your patches?
17:53 oleonard I'm very confused cait
17:53 cait bug 22844, pulling up the information right now sec
17:53 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Simplify the process of selecting database columns for system preferences
17:54 oleonard You can add patron attributes to that pref?
17:55 cait bug 22728
17:55 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=22728 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Manual for BorrowerMandatoryField should include note on extended attributes
17:55 cait yes, sorry, I just remembered seeing this bug recently and I've actually also used it before
17:55 cait it's a bit clumsy,... but it works
17:56 oleonard 'made mandatory by entering "patron_attr_1"'... Where does the number come from?
17:56 cait i looked it up int he source code
17:57 cait i think they are just numbered from the beginning somehow
17:57 cait certainly could be improved
17:57 wizzyrea oh that's so gross :(
17:57 cait source code = html source of the page
17:59 oleonard How can that work correctly when patron attributes can have both library and category limitations?
18:02 wizzyrea if we're being honest
18:02 wizzyrea probably the fields to display should be part of the library definition
18:03 wizzyrea instead of across the whole system
18:03 wizzyrea but what a pita that would be
18:05 oleonard We'll get on that just as soon as we refactor :P
18:06 cait oleonard: maybe they just number them using the id?
18:06 cait i haven't checked really
18:06 cait but that could work in theory, using the table id
18:15 * cait sends cookies to ashimema
18:15 cait have to unpack... bbl
18:22 oleonard The borrower_attribute_types table should probably have a "mandatory" column instead
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18:28 cait oleonard: agreed
18:28 cait as the documentation report is from bws, i am not sure how many library use the feature right now
18:36 cait many libraries... my english is broken
18:38 oleonard Not as broken as my German
18:39 cait I am not offering to teach you... German is horrible
18:39 cait to learn at least
18:39 oleonard Worse than English?
18:39 cait i'd say so
18:40 cait I learned English and Russian and Russian actually taught me a lot about German grammar
18:40 cait the way the verbs are and words are changed depending on sentence structure
18:43 cait there is a lot to think about
18:44 * oleonard is ready to put a Babel fish in his ear
18:45 * oleonard starts putting every kind of fish in his ear, one by one
18:45 cait lol
18:46 cait the thought makes me shudder
18:46 cait cold and glitchy
18:47 oleonard I guess the trouble with having a Babel fish is you'd need everyone else to have one too or they couldn't understand you.
18:48 cait oh?
18:48 wahanui oh is that a newer than 17.05 feature?
18:48 cait forget oh
18:48 wahanui cait: I forgot oh
18:49 cait wahanui: oh is /me sends cookies
18:49 wahanui OK, cait.
18:49 cait oh
18:49 cait oh!
18:49 oleonard 17.05 came with a Babel fish? I never got mine!!
18:49 cait ... wahanui wants to keep all the cookies
18:50 oleonard wahanui: oh is <reply>/me sends cookies
18:50 wahanui OK, oleonard.
18:50 cait me either
18:50 cait oh
18:50 cait :(
18:50 oleonard Huh.
18:50 oleonard wahanui: forget oh
18:50 wahanui oleonard, I didn't have anything matching oh
18:50 oleonard oh
18:50 cait lol
18:53 ashimema Huh.. what
18:53 cait hm?
18:53 ashimema :confused:
18:53 cait about the cookies or the bug typo?
18:53 ashimema What did you want me to do Cait.. I got confused
18:53 cait you typoed when reattaching the patches to the bug
18:54 ashimema Bug
18:54 ashimema Oh
18:54 cait 22863
18:54 cait instead of 36
18:57 * ashimema wonders if he could hook git bz to catch silly typos like that
18:58 * oleonard heads out
18:58 oleonard See y'all later
18:58 ashimema see ya owen
19:16 ashimema dang..
19:16 ashimema he left
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19:55 rangi morning
19:55 cait morning rangi
19:56 ashimema mornin
20:56 magnuse morning
20:56 cait magnuse: go to bed ;)
20:59 rangi heh
21:00 rangi davidnind has made it to dublin
21:00 cait first one :)
21:00 rangi[…]27937909410148357  sneak peek of the airport hehe
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22:43 Vero I want to change the user id by the card number so that the user starts by the card, thanks
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