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alex_a |
bonjour |
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wahanui |
salut, alex_a |
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cedar |
Hi There! I'm having problems migrating from an ILS to KOHA. The Marc21 file generated throws up errors. Can some one help? |
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* cait |
waves |
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Frank_Purcell |
Greetings everyone. I am fairly new to KOHA, from South Africa and have many questions regarding hosting a KOHA server |
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magnuse |
welcome Frank_Purcell! you can ask your questions here, but your answers will depend on who is here and have the time, so you might get great answers or no answers. :-) the mailing lists are an alternative venue for questions |
| 09:04 |
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magnuse |
(and it's Koha, not KOHA :-) |
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Frank_Purcell |
thank you for the welcome @magnuse, I work with a company who has 60% of our countries libraries as clients. We offer library security RFID & EM, inventory solutions through RFID, self-service, automated returns & sorting etc. But we do not yet offer an LMS/ILS. |
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Frank_Purcell |
@magmuse I would like to offer Koha LMS to South African libraries as i know it will assist in 2 main ways. Firstly, the more $$ libraries can save on LMS, the more that can be spent on other important aspects of the library. Secondly, the LMS vendors we currently use are foreign and support locally is limited & not ideal. |
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huginn` |
Frank_Purcell: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn`. |
| 10:05 |
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cait |
hi Frank_Purcell |
| 10:05 |
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cait |
do you have any experience with Koha yet? |
| 10:09 |
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Frank_Purcell |
hi cait, sorry for slow reply. I have managed to install Koha on a virtual machine using an image. I have not gone into the command lines just yet, and I have not yet connected my virtual machine to the web. |
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cait |
ah ok, using an image for testingis ok |
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cait |
but they are often not up to date with current versions/practices |
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cait |
which version did you install? |
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Frank_Purcell |
understood, I was also worried that the image would not auto-update but i was hoping i could do that through command lines. |
| 10:15 |
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Frank_Purcell |
I am not too sure of the Koha version, as I am not near the machine at the moment, but its installed on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS |
| 10:18 |
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Frank_Purcell |
i used Koha Live DVD by vimal0212, uploaded 12-2018 |
| 10:20 |
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Frank_Purcell |
Ive found it, Koha 18.11.x (Stable version) |
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cait |
ok, that's a current version |
| 10:26 |
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cait |
if you check on hte about page, it shoudl tell you about the exact version |
| 10:27 |
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cait |
we have monthly bugfix releases and some stuff has been fixed |
| 10:27 |
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cait |
at the moment we are at 18.11.05 |
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Frank_Purcell |
Brilliant, thank you. In terms of Koha operation I had self-trained on the bywater solutions demo, and can now operate my local machine perfectly. I have even connected RFID equipment to the local PC and everything works perfectly. What I want to do now is to make the local version web based an accessible from anywhere, and also make sure that my server can handle the additional load as i add more libraries |
| 10:33 |
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Frank_Purcell |
I am also considering getting Microsoft to host my server, as my knowledge is still extremely limited. However Im not sure what would be my responsibility and what would be theirs. I still have considerable research to do, but its been difficult finding answers. There is not much linux support in south africa |
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wahanui |
okay, Frank_Purcell. |
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cait |
wahanui: is a bot, don't get irritated by him |
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cait |
i think if you get a hosted solution they don't take much care of what you install on it |
| 10:42 |
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cait |
backup maybe |
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Frank_Purcell |
I am worried that they do not understand the demand the Koha will have on a server as it grows (because I am not too sure myself). In other words, I am worried they will offer me a motorbike frame but I'm trying to install a car engine. =D |
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cait |
i am no ta system administrator myself and no experience there, so not sure |
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paxed |
it's silly the bot triggers with such a common phrase without explicitly mentioning the bot's nick |
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cait |
it's often hilarious too :) |
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ashimema |
agreed |
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oleonard |
Hi #koha |
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cait |
hi oleonard :) |
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oleonard_ |
Network upgrades here... Will probably get bounced again... |
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Frank_Purcell |
hi oleonard =) |
| 11:49 |
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cait |
oleonard: I was just looking t bug 22215 - do you have a preference for naming? |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22215 normal, P5 - low, ---, nick, NEW , table_borrowers name is inconsistent with other tables |
| 11:53 |
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cait |
oleonard: did you see my question before falling off? |
| 11:53 |
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oleonard |
Yes. Looking now. |
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cait |
oki :) |
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magnuse |
Frank_Purcell: hosting on Microsoft's cloud, or Linode (my choice) or Digital ocean or something similar will probably be ok. Just choose Debian as OS for the best experience. You will have to do most things yourself. You can probably choose the OS to be installed, but after that you are on your own and the cloud provider does care much what yo uput on your vps |
| 12:10 |
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magnuse |
so you will have to do upgrades (including) the os, firewall, scaling etc |
| 12:39 |
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Frank_Purcell |
@magnuse thats fine. If i use an image of Koha installed on the same OS, with security, firewall, plugins etc. and then further configure and update manually, would this be fine? if i cant use an image, I will need to do the install manually and the learning curve is extremely steep as I had no knowledge of linux and command lines prior to Koha research |
| 12:39 |
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huginn` |
Frank_Purcell: I suck |
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magnuse |
Frank_Purcell: well, as long as you install on Debian it's mostly "sudo apt-get install koha-common". I'm not sure i would trust whoever put together the image with "the rest". and i think DVDs might not be set up with a lot of security anyway? |
| 12:51 |
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magnuse |
and how would you transfer the DVD image to "the cloud", anyway? |
| 12:54 |
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cait |
i strongly suggest learning how to instal Koha |
| 13:00 |
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Frank_Purcell |
@magnuse - i am struggling to link the dvd image to the cloud as we speak, so perhaps the DVD only provides a "local version". I also wouldnt know how to check on the security from where I am now. Perhaps I will simply install the software myself. Quick question then: I already have my own private domain for a personal website. Could i install KOHA on this domain? I have a standard web address but nothing important on it yet |
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huginn` |
Frank_Purcell: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
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wahanui |
i already had it that way, huginn`. |
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dersmon |
i am trying to add a field to my zebra authority index (Identifier-standard), inspired by: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]d_new_zebra_index |
| 13:02 |
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dersmon |
i changed bib1.att and authority-koha-indexdefs.xml, then ran the xslt processor |
| 13:02 |
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dersmon |
and then a rebuild |
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magnuse |
Frank_Purcell: yes, you can use whatever domain-name you want, but you will need somewhere with full root access to install Koha, so a "regular/simple" webhotel will not be enough |
| 13:03 |
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dersmon |
but it is not working, what exactly is ccl.properties for? |
| 13:04 |
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cait |
bye :) |
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Frank_Purcell |
thanks @magnuse, highly appreciate your help. I will investigate with hosts and see what they can offer. |
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dersmon |
ah, I am probably missing "zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/authority/record.abs" |
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AndrewIsh |
Anyone got any ideas why I might suddenly be seeing this error on a branch that's in sync with 18.11.05? "Unknown column 'me.marcflavour' in 'where clause' at /home/koha-koha/kohaclone/Koha/Objects.pm line 92" It seems to occur when creating a bib record. |
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* ashimema |
hopes he's not got a db update wrong |
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ashimema |
I 'think' marcflavour became schema at some point.. rings a bell |
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Joubu |
AndrewIsh: do you have the whole SQL query? |
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AndrewIsh |
I've figured it out Joubu, in master biblio_metadata.marcflavour is renamed to biblio_metadata.schema, but now I'm back working on 18.11 I need to rename it back! |
| 13:26 |
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AndrewIsh |
So, yes, ashimema was right. Pesky column renaming... |
| 13:26 |
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magnuse |
ashimema: that point was 18.12.00.011 :-) |
| 13:26 |
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magnuse |
Bug 22155 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22155 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED FIXED, biblio_metadata.marcflavour should be renamed 'schema' |
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AndrewIsh |
Thanks magnuse It's a super odd choice of name for a column as "schema" feels like the sort of thing that's likely to be a reserved word all over the place! |
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ashimema |
that is indeed the fun of using one DB but switching branches often |
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alex_a |
!seen corylin |
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AnnaBoten |
I have not seen corylin. |
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alex_a |
!seen corylinn |
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AnnaBoten |
I have not seen corylinn. |
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alex_a |
!seen corylin` |
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AnnaBoten |
I have not seen corylin`. |
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alex_a |
!seen corilyn |
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AnnaBoten |
I have not seen corilyn. |
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alex_a |
!seen corilynn |
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AnnaBoten |
corilynn was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 4 days, 20 hours, 32 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <corilynn> kewl |
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alex_a |
\o/ |
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oleonard |
Hi wizzyrea |
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dersmon |
is there an authority variant of: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]d_new_zebra_index ? |
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dersmon |
if not: is /etc/koha/zebradb/ccl.properties used for both biblio and authority? |
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wizzyrea |
hi how is everybody |
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* oleonard |
shrugs |
| 14:17 |
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wizzyrea |
yeah I was sensing that |
| 14:18 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 14:19 |
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oleonard |
I guess it's not a ringing endorsement of this Monday so far |
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Frank_Purcell |
bye all! thanks for the assistance today. |
| 14:33 |
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wizzyrea |
everyone is headed to kohacon that's where everyone is |
| 14:33 |
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wizzyrea |
duhhhh |
| 14:33 |
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* wizzyrea |
might take the day off |
| 14:33 |
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wizzyrea |
^.^ |
| 14:34 |
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* oleonard |
should take the week off |
| 14:34 |
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wizzyrea |
and go to kohacon lol |
| 14:34 |
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wizzyrea |
:) |
| 14:34 |
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oleonard |
:'( |
| 14:34 |
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wizzyrea |
yeah i'm in a similar boat |
| 14:34 |
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wizzyrea |
KohaCon Left Behind |
| 14:35 |
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oleonard |
KohaCon Left Behind: The Poors |
| 14:35 |
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wizzyrea |
^^^ |
| 14:38 |
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oleonard |
ByWater folks should update https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]/Kohacon19/Social. I assume they're not all staying home |
| 14:43 |
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wizzyrea |
yeah I know at least kidclamp and khall are going? at least I thought they were |
| 14:45 |
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oleonard |
Top men |
| 14:47 |
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wizzyrea |
jeez, this actually might be a bit hard with everybody in transit |
| 14:47 |
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wizzyrea |
yes I think this is a strong case to give up for now |
| 14:47 |
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oleonard |
Isn't it too early for everyone to be in transit? |
| 14:48 |
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wizzyrea |
hm maybe? |
| 14:48 |
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wizzyrea |
idk I can't raise anybody |
| 14:48 |
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wizzyrea |
is the east coast still there |
| 14:48 |
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wizzyrea |
heh |
| 14:48 |
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* oleonard |
can vouch for the Eastern time zone at least |
| 14:48 |
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wizzyrea |
birds are tweeting in central idk |
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wizzyrea |
hm I'll bbl. I had some things I needed to do today anyway (mr's birthday tomorrow) |
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reiveune |
bye |
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wizzyrea |
hi again |
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ashimema |
I is here |
| 16:55 |
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oleonard |
Well sure ashimema all you have to do is walk out your front door and turn left and you're at KohaCon |
| 16:55 |
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* oleonard |
may have his geography a little off |
| 16:56 |
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ashimema |
Lol, nearly |
| 16:56 |
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ashimema |
I have a 5am flight to catch Monday morning |
| 16:58 |
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ashimema |
Your not far off.. it's only a 1 hour flight.. just anoyingly timed |
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cait |
ashimema: I think you got the wrong patches on bug 22836 |
| 17:48 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22836 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Tests catching XSS vulnerabilities in pagination are not correct |
| 17:48 |
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cait |
um bug 22863... which explains |
| 17:48 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22863 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Item replacement cost with tax |
| 17:52 |
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cait |
oleonard: i just remembered something... there is a quite undocumented feature on how to make borrower attributes mandatory... is that taken into account with your patches? |
| 17:53 |
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oleonard |
I'm very confused cait |
| 17:53 |
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cait |
bug 22844, pulling up the information right now sec |
| 17:53 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22844 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Simplify the process of selecting database columns for system preferences |
| 17:54 |
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oleonard |
You can add patron attributes to that pref? |
| 17:55 |
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cait |
bug 22728 |
| 17:55 |
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huginn` |
Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=22728 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Manual for BorrowerMandatoryField should include note on extended attributes |
| 17:55 |
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cait |
yes, sorry, I just remembered seeing this bug recently and I've actually also used it before |
| 17:55 |
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cait |
it's a bit clumsy,... but it works |
| 17:56 |
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oleonard |
'made mandatory by entering "patron_attr_1"'... Where does the number come from? |
| 17:56 |
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cait |
i looked it up int he source code |
| 17:57 |
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cait |
i think they are just numbered from the beginning somehow |
| 17:57 |
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cait |
certainly could be improved |
| 17:57 |
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wizzyrea |
oh that's so gross :( |
| 17:57 |
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cait |
source code = html source of the page |
| 17:59 |
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oleonard |
How can that work correctly when patron attributes can have both library and category limitations? |
| 18:02 |
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wizzyrea |
if we're being honest |
| 18:02 |
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wizzyrea |
probably the fields to display should be part of the library definition |
| 18:03 |
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wizzyrea |
instead of across the whole system |
| 18:03 |
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wizzyrea |
but what a pita that would be |
| 18:05 |
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oleonard |
We'll get on that just as soon as we refactor smart-rules.pl :P |
| 18:06 |
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cait |
oleonard: maybe they just number them using the id? |
| 18:06 |
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cait |
i haven't checked really |
| 18:06 |
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cait |
but that could work in theory, using the table id |
| 18:15 |
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* cait |
sends cookies to ashimema |
| 18:15 |
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cait |
have to unpack... bbl |
| 18:22 |
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oleonard |
The borrower_attribute_types table should probably have a "mandatory" column instead |
| 18:26 |
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| 18:28 |
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cait |
oleonard: agreed |
| 18:28 |
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cait |
as the documentation report is from bws, i am not sure how many library use the feature right now |
| 18:36 |
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cait |
many libraries... my english is broken |
| 18:38 |
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oleonard |
Not as broken as my German |
| 18:39 |
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cait |
I am not offering to teach you... German is horrible |
| 18:39 |
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cait |
to learn at least |
| 18:39 |
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oleonard |
Worse than English? |
| 18:39 |
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cait |
i'd say so |
| 18:40 |
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cait |
I learned English and Russian and Russian actually taught me a lot about German grammar |
| 18:40 |
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cait |
the way the verbs are and words are changed depending on sentence structure |
| 18:43 |
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cait |
there is a lot to think about |
| 18:44 |
|
* oleonard |
is ready to put a Babel fish in his ear |
| 18:45 |
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* oleonard |
starts putting every kind of fish in his ear, one by one |
| 18:45 |
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cait |
lol |
| 18:46 |
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cait |
the thought makes me shudder |
| 18:46 |
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cait |
cold and glitchy |
| 18:47 |
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oleonard |
I guess the trouble with having a Babel fish is you'd need everyone else to have one too or they couldn't understand you. |
| 18:48 |
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cait |
oh? |
| 18:48 |
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wahanui |
oh is that a newer than 17.05 feature? |
| 18:48 |
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cait |
forget oh |
| 18:48 |
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wahanui |
cait: I forgot oh |
| 18:49 |
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cait |
wahanui: oh is /me sends cookies |
| 18:49 |
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wahanui |
OK, cait. |
| 18:49 |
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cait |
oh |
| 18:49 |
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cait |
oh! |
| 18:49 |
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oleonard |
17.05 came with a Babel fish? I never got mine!! |
| 18:49 |
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cait |
... wahanui wants to keep all the cookies |
| 18:50 |
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oleonard |
wahanui: oh is <reply>/me sends cookies |
| 18:50 |
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wahanui |
OK, oleonard. |
| 18:50 |
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cait |
me either |
| 18:50 |
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cait |
oh |
| 18:50 |
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cait |
:( |
| 18:50 |
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oleonard |
Huh. |
| 18:50 |
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oleonard |
wahanui: forget oh |
| 18:50 |
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wahanui |
oleonard, I didn't have anything matching oh |
| 18:50 |
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oleonard |
oh |
| 18:50 |
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cait |
lol |
| 18:53 |
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ashimema |
Huh.. what |
| 18:53 |
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cait |
hm? |
| 18:53 |
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ashimema |
:confused: |
| 18:53 |
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cait |
about the cookies or the bug typo? |
| 18:53 |
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ashimema |
What did you want me to do Cait.. I got confused |
| 18:53 |
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cait |
you typoed when reattaching the patches to the bug |
| 18:54 |
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ashimema |
Bug |
| 18:54 |
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ashimema |
Oh |
| 18:54 |
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cait |
22863 |
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cait |
instead of 36 |
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* ashimema |
wonders if he could hook git bz to catch silly typos like that |
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* oleonard |
heads out |
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oleonard |
See y'all later |
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ashimema |
see ya owen |
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ashimema |
dang.. |
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he left |
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rangi |
morning |
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cait |
morning rangi |
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ashimema |
mornin |
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magnuse |
morning |
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cait |
magnuse: go to bed ;) |
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rangi |
heh |
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rangi |
davidnind has made it to dublin |
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cait |
first one :) |
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rangi |
https://twitter.com/DavidNind/[…]27937909410148357 sneak peek of the airport hehe |
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Vero |
I want to change the user id by the card number so that the user starts by the card, thanks |
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