IRC log for #koha, 2018-08-16

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04:07 paxed @under joensuu
04:07 huginn` paxed: I've exhausted my database of quotes
04:07 paxed @wunder joensuu
04:07 huginn` paxed: Joensuu, Finland :: Clear :: 46F/8C | Thursday: A mix of clouds and sun during the morning will give way to cloudy skies this afternoon. High 69F. Winds SSE at 5 to 10 mph. Thursday Night: Mostly cloudy skies this evening will become partly cloudy after midnight. Low near 55F. Winds SSE at 5 to 10 mph.
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06:07 Nemo_bis Uh 8 °C, and I was boiling there just last weekend ^_^
06:21 cait @wunder Konstanz
06:21 huginn` cait: Konstanz, Germany :: Clear :: 64F/18C | Wind Chill: 64F/18C | Thursday: Sunny. High near 85F. Winds light and variable. Thursday Night: A clear sky. Low near 60F. Winds light and variable.
06:31 cait bbl
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06:42 reiveune hello
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06:56 magnuse` \o/
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07:06 tuxayo hi #koha o/
07:06 tuxayo hi reiveune calire magnuse`  :)
07:07 reiveune salut tuxayo
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07:09 calire hi tuxayo
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07:45 cait what do you have to restart first, memcache or plack?
07:45 cait or does it not matter?
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07:59 * cait waves
08:02 tuxayo cait: memcached first should be a sure call:
08:02 tuxayo[…]sh_aliases.j2#L29
08:02 cait ok
08:02 cait i am trying to repeair a subscription where someone used a non-existing biblionumber
08:02 cait for linking
08:03 cait and it#s doing all kinds of weird things
08:04 tuxayo ^^
08:04 tuxayo I would have though that memcached could be refilled with few old data before the restart of plack.
08:04 tuxayo But I don't know how they interact
08:04 cait turns out we save the biblionumber not only in subscription, but also in serial AND subscriptionhistory
08:05 paxed someone deleted the bib (directly from db)?
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08:07 cait paxed: no, they entered a non-existant with the gui, when creating the subscription
08:07 cait then they changed it to the right one
08:08 cait but subscriptionhistory and serial was not updated
08:08 cait and the template uses a mix of variables for bibnumber from different tables... so some links worked and others not
08:08 paxed sounds like a good case for... Tests!
08:08 cait that too
08:08 cait and also 2 bugs
08:09 cait 1) don't allow people to save subscriptions with non-existing biblionumbers
08:09 cait 2) when the link to the record int he subscription is changed, update subscriptionhistory
08:09 cait 3) don't use differnt template variables for bilbionumber from different tables
08:12 andreashm cait: that sounds like a fun morning
08:12 cait a confusing one at least :)
08:12 andreashm anyone have encountered issues with Plack for 17.11.06?
08:12 cait need to retest this on master, maybe some of it is fixed, writing up a bug anyway
08:12 cait andreashm: we are testing 17.11.08 right now, what kind of issues?
08:13 cait no problems here so far
08:14 andreashm cait: tamplates doesn't seem to be read (stored) correctly
08:15 andreashm might be something with memcached + plack
08:16 cait what do you mean by templates not stored correctly?
08:17 andreashm that templates aren't being read properly when reading the page (don't know if they are cached by Plack?)
08:19 tuxayo andreashm: «anyone have encountered issues with Plack for 17.11.06?»
08:19 tuxayo We updated most of our customers with this exact version and no such issue
08:19 tuxayo andreashm: we do disable template cache since we switched to plack due to some issues. That might be yours
08:20 tuxayo Not having template cache wasn't a noticable performance hit. (with plack at least)
08:20 tuxayo So, since maybe 3.22 we don't use TT cache
08:21 andreashm tuxayo: thanks for the info
08:24 andreashm I'll pass the info on to my co-worker who is more hands on! =)
08:25 andreashm The interesting thing is that we didn't encounter this issue when testing 17.11.01 previously.
08:29 tcohen morning
08:29 andreashm hey tcohen
08:30 andreashm early for you?
08:30 tcohen 5:30
08:30 andreashm eeeh
08:30 tcohen yes
08:30 tcohen :-D
08:30 andreashm back to bed!
08:30 andreashm =)
08:31 * andreashm wanders off to test the self-cehckout machine/SIP2
08:32 tcohen andreashm_away: too late, I've just made some coffee
08:33 andreashm_away tcohen: =)
08:34 ashimema coffee makes the world go around
08:44 tcohen morning ashimema
08:44 ashimema morning tcohen
08:45 * ashimema just realised it's the 16th..
08:45 * ashimema realises he forgot to announce string freeze yesterday
08:46 tcohen they know
08:46 tcohen :-D
08:50 ashimema i like to send a little reminder.. courtesy and all that
08:50 tcohen yes yes, of coures
09:22 calire hi tcohen
09:25 tcohen hi calire
09:37 cait ashimema
09:37 cait ashimema
09:37 cait ashimema
09:37 cait ashimema++
09:37 cait lol, i just can't type today... don't ask
09:38 cait andreashm: sorry, got distracted - we are using the cache, no issues, package installation
09:38 cait I still don't understand how the problem 'looks like' :
09:38 cait :(
09:38 ashimema huh.. what I do?
09:39 cait string freeze email
09:40 andreashm cait: well, templates aren't being read so the page looks very strange (on say catalogue details page, or a patron page). imagine it without the template that is.
09:42 cait nah
09:42 cait tht's not tthe template
09:42 cait you aremissing the apache rewrite rules more likely
09:43 cait does it look like it's missing the css?
09:43 cait if the template was not there, you'd only see an error i think and no other output
09:44 cait sounded confident... but is probably wrong
09:44 cait i just remembered the apache rewrite was in 18.05*hides*
09:45 cait i still think it might be something liek that, if you see a part of the output. Maybe a screenshot? (without patron info?)
09:46 andreashm ah, it could be that
09:48 cait if you look at hte page, maybe you seee some errors in the dev tools?
09:48 cait like if it can't load some files but others
09:48 cait and sorry... was a bit quick earlier... fuzzy brain today
09:50 andreashm no worries
09:50 andreashm I can't reproduce now. Maybe my coworker changed something...
09:51 cait ashimema: could you do qa on the blocker bug in qa queue? can't create patrons
09:51 cait would be good to get that done, it also makes testing other things hard
09:52 cait bug 21222
09:52 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21222 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Patron's creation is broken
09:52 cait i signed off, so i am out
10:08 ashimema sure
10:08 ashimema when did that creep in.. I thought I was doing pretty well at keeping up with those ;)
10:09 ashimema .
10:22 cait wednesday i think :)
10:26 * ashimema wonders if kidclamp has seen the followup on bug 21139
10:27 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21139 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The floating toolbars have some issues
10:40 ashimema .
10:40 ashimema grr.. my irc connection is aweful today :(
11:09 ashimema done the QA cait.. and QA'd the dependancy whilst I was there
11:18 cait ah right, yes, signed off on both
11:20 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #41: UNSTABLE in 28 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_U18/41/
11:21 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #45: UNSTABLE in 26 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D9/45/
11:31 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #44: UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D8/44/
11:34 kidclamp indeed martin, I saw that one - I want to get 21222 21230 and 21226 in to fix failures so I can push 13618 and see what that state is
11:35 kidclamp cait ashimema can you look at those bugs, you can split so/qa or I can poke kyle to followup wahtever you can do
11:35 kidclamp bug 21230
11:35 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21230 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Reserves.t is failing randomly
11:35 kidclamp bug 21226
11:35 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21226 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Remove use of retired OCLC xISBN service
11:38 cait bug 13618
11:38 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=13618 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Prevent XSS in the Staff Client and the OPAC
11:38 cait kidclamp: i can't before tonight, so maybe try and catch someone else first?
11:40 calire arf, did bugzilla just die?
11:41 calire now it's back
11:41 calire I've forgotten what I was doing
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11:46 oleonard Hi all
11:46 kidclamp hi oleopard
11:46 calire hi oleonard
11:50 ashimema I'm on them kidclamp
11:50 kidclamp khall is looking ashimema
11:50 kidclamp you can followup depending on how he leaves them.  And thank you
11:50 ashimema grr.. I jumped the gun.. should have waited for 21226 to be pushed before I let Jenkins run again.. lol
11:50 khall perhaps ashimema can do qa?
11:51 ashimema sure thing
11:51 khall excellent!
11:51 ashimema sure thing.. like 'em up khall :)
11:51 ashimema I like a smooth SO -> QA flow
11:51 khall yeah
11:51 ashimema s/like/line/
11:52 khall both are now SO. I would love to see the xisbn stuff renamed in 21226 since it's not actually xisbn anymore, but I think that's a pretty big ask with very little gain
11:53 ashimema haha.. funny you should say that.. i was thinking similar
11:53 ashimema a followup though I reckon.. ;)
11:53 khall yeah!
11:55 ashimema ooh.. I didn't realise librarything had a similar service.
11:55 ashimema cool
11:55 * ashimema reads some more and hopes he didn't just sound stupid ;)
11:55 kidclamp naw, you made sense
12:00 oleonard calire: Thank you for the signoffs!!
12:00 oleonard calire++
12:01 calire oleonard, you're welcome
12:03 tuxayo ashimema: thanks for the notification of the string freeze on the Koha list. :)
12:03 tuxayo Each branch (e.g. 17.11.xx) has a different time for the freeze right?
12:04 kidclamp they are usually all the 15th tuxayo
12:06 tuxayo thanks kidclamp
12:06 tuxayo About the meaning of string freeze: that means that no patch changing the string should usually be accepted after the freeze right? So in theory, one can translate everything the 16th and expect no missing translation on the release.
12:06 kidclamp that is the intention, one week for translators to fix any changes for stables
12:07 tuxayo great :)
12:08 ashimema they're usually aligned.. that I think Frido is out at the moment..
12:09 ashimema so I only anounced 18.05 as I've not had word back from him that he'll be releasing lockstep with me on the 22nd..
12:09 ashimema likely there's be a minor delay but no promises as that's on his plate ;)
12:10 tuxayo ashimema: indeed, frido is taking some well deserved vacation :)
12:10 ashimema coolios
12:10 ashimema I thought that might be the case
12:10 ashimema all good
12:11 * cait cheers
12:11 tuxayo ashimema: What about you and kidclamp ?
12:11 cait for qa
12:12 tuxayo o/ cait
12:12 kidclamp I had my vacation :-) maybe a part two later
12:14 ashimema I had a week begining of the month and have another week planned soon
12:14 ashimema anyone here know librarything well?
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12:15 ashimema I see our docs mentions a 1000 query limit[…]frbrize#thingisbn but I can't find any docs on librarything that back that up
12:15 ashimema in relation to the removal of the services limit in bug 21226
12:15 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21226 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Remove use of retired OCLC xISBN service
12:16 ashimema I suppose I could just script something to hit it 1000 times and see if it kicks me off.. but that feels a bit rude ;)
12:18 ashimema aha.. found where it say's a 1000 limit..
12:18 ashimema 'tis not a hard limit but a "please don't"
12:18 ashimema hmm
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12:25 cait ashimema: translation done :)
12:25 ashimema hehe..
12:25 ashimema thought it would be minimal
12:26 * ashimema should work out how to see a quick list of how many strings have changes
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12:34 cait josef_moravec++ too :)
12:34 cait long time no see!
12:39 josef_moravec cait: hi, thanks ;)
12:39 cait qa queue was missing you too ;)
12:39 josef_moravec I have a bit busy summer, but going to work on koha again ;)
12:39 josef_moravec there is so much to do ;)
12:40 cait there always is
12:41 cait there is a ton of things that I can't touch because i wrote or signed off, so if you could help witht hose and elastic maybe... that would be awsome
12:41 cait but there is also some ldap if that is an option :)
12:57 oleonard calire++
12:57 oleonard Again.
12:57 calire oleonard++
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13:15 ashimema all done @kidclamp
13:15 caroline Good morning everyone!
13:15 kidclamp excellent - 21235 should wait until you hear back?
13:16 kidclamp ashimema^
13:17 ashimema yeah, I reckon so
13:17 ashimema but it shouldn't cause any issue not pushing it yet :)
13:17 kidclamp kk
13:17 ashimema just a bit of superflous code for now
13:18 ashimema it'll either just be a followup to push once we've had word... or it will get closed and a new bug created to add throttling to ThingISBN using it (or using something else)
13:18 ashimema hope that makes sense
13:18 ashimema I've moved the patches around so it should prevent confusion but not loose any work that's been done :)
13:18 calire hi caroline
13:19 * ashimema now needs to work out why Jenkins is failing for Letters tests in my branch
13:25 ashimema does this sound reasonable for the release note for the xisbn removal bug:
13:25 ashimema ```
13:25 ashimema OCLC has now discontinued support for the xisbn service.  One can continue to use the functionality that this service provided to Koha by switching on the ThingISBN preferences as an alternative.
13:25 ashimema ```
13:25 ashimema anyone is free to improve that wording.. my brain is starting to checkout for the day ;)
13:26 cait mine has given up hours ago :)
13:26 cait maybe xISBN?
13:26 cait can you use ThingISBN for free? didn't know :)
13:26 ashimema yup
13:27 ashimema the outstanding query I have with them is whether we should be throttling it by default which we are not at the moment..
13:27 ashimema they last mentioned a limit in a blog post in 2008 so it was easy for us to miss it
14:02 eythian wahanui had a short visit
14:06 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21226: DBRev <[…]2d2455cd373c5db18>
14:06 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21230: Prevent Reserves.t to fail randomly <[…]45470bedc36feae5e>
14:06 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21226: Remove xISBN services <[…]614f6bf79aef882ea>
14:06 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21226: DB Changes <[…]fe3c14da5cfecc657>
14:06 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21222: (bug 20226 follow-up) Fix patron creation <[…]2b661ecb17ffa84a0>
14:06 huginn` News from kohagit: Bug 21221: Shortcut memberentry scripts if patron does not exist <[…]037919e601ec3d798>
14:07 * kidclamp crosses fingers
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14:15 * ashimema braces
14:19 cait eythian: are you breaking him all the time?
14:19 eythian not me
14:19 cait wahanui i mean
14:19 cait rangi said it's something said/done that makes it crash
14:19 eythian that's possible
14:20 oleonard Seems like we should all be informed what we shouldn't say.
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14:26 cait maybe it's 4+4... like in the color of magic
14:34 oleonard The last time someone talked to wahanui before he left again was calire speaking Welsh to him.
14:34 oleonard But the IRC log doesn't log exits, so I don't know how long it took for that to fry his brain.
14:34 jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
14:34 jenkins Project Koha_Master_U18 build #28: FIXED in 24 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_U18/28/
14:36 jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
14:36 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D9 build #540: FIXED in 27 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D9/540/
14:40 ashimema woop, woop
14:40 Joubu 158 [16:16:49] <cait> looking forsomething that is oleonard-worthy :)
14:40 Joubu 159 [16:16:49] *** Quits: wahanui ( (Remote host closed the connection)
14:40 * ashimema queues up a build behind :)
14:41 * Joubu does not blame anybody ;)
14:42 cait oops
14:43 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #28: STILL UNSTABLE in 35 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D8/28/
14:44 ashimema oh noes
14:45 ashimema lol
14:45 Joubu ashimema: heh, same as 18.05...
14:45 ashimema that's a false negative I think
14:45 ashimema I'll shedule another run for you kidclamp
14:45 Joubu kidclamp: you can forget about that one
14:46 Joubu see, it ran in 35min against 24 for U18, it depends on the node
14:46 ashimema yeah, interesting
14:46 * ashimema has a node ready and waiting for tcohen to finish off as and when we need it ;)
14:46 ashimema to help spread the load
14:47 Joubu ashimema: only if it is fast ;)
14:48 Joubu josef_moravec: good to see you back!
14:48 ashimema it's quickly scalable ;)
14:49 josef_moravec Hi Joubu! I am happy to work on Koha again, I almost forgot hove nice it is ;)
14:53 kidclamp I saw some wierd /me has forgotten all the things
14:53 kidclamp blergh
14:53 kidclamp anyways, I won't worry about the failures
14:53 * kidclamp gets more coffee
15:02 bag yes coffee!!!  must get more
15:02 jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
15:02 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D9 build #46: FIXED in 23 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D9/46/
15:03 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #45: STILL UNSTABLE in 22 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D8/45/
15:04 ashimema COFFEE
15:05 * ashimema patiently watches jenkins
15:05 ashimema grr.. it ran on the same node again!
15:06 * ashimema goes and reads the test again to see if there's anything we can do to improve it's reliability on a slow node
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15:16 Joubu ashimema: I will have a look in the next hour, it's on my list for today
15:16 Joubu I think I know how to fix it
15:17 ashimema awesome
15:18 Joubu but... it failed 3x in the last 6 runs, bad luck!
15:19 ashimema indeed
15:19 reiveune bye
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15:24 jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
15:24 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #29: FIXED in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_Master_D8/29/
15:24 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #42: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_U18/42/
15:25 Joubu really??
15:26 Joubu it's node 1 again
15:28 cait this node 1 again....t sk
15:30 ashimema :'(
15:31 jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
15:31 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_D8 build #46: FIXED in 21 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]Koha_18.05_D8/46/
15:31 ashimema woop, woop
15:32 Joubu ashimema: bug 21238
15:32 huginn` Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21238 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , TemplateToolkit.t is failing on slow server
15:34 ashimema nice fix.. makes great sense
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15:54 jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
15:54 jenkins Project Koha_18.05_U18 build #43: FIXED in 23 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_18.05_U18/43/
15:54 ashimema green accross the board..
15:54 * ashimema is happy
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16:25 cait bye all
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16:33 Joubu @later tell cait bug 19817 - how can I help you?
16:33 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
16:33 Joubu @later tell cait I think it should be discussed on a separate bug report as it's not related, and copy/paste the exact error you get
16:33 huginn` Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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17:49 tcohen hola
17:59 cait hola :)
18:00 cait Joubu:
18:01 cait i thought it's juse a one liner i am missing, it probably is
18:03 cait you didn't fix the base url?
18:04 cait ah... missed it!
18:05 Joubu cait: did you try `cpanm WebService::ILS::OverDrive::Patron`?
18:05 cait not yet, will do right now
18:05 cait i started on this bug just before i left to work this morning
18:05 cait didn't have time to investigate much, so left some notes
18:06 cait we need to change the mapping for hte systempreferences page - i will provide a follow-up
18:07 kidclamp Joubu++
18:07 kidclamp have a good night all
18:07 cait Joubu: it looked like it installed, the test runs a long while, will let you know
18:07 tcohen bye kidclamp
18:08 cait 'just installd 3.20' :(
18:09 caroline cait: I just saw that too!
18:09 Joubu cait: yes, that's a thing we will need to keep in mind. We should not move the pages on the manual without updating this mapping
18:09 Joubu (could have been 3.02)
18:10 cait Joubu: moving things should be done onw - most was misc which does not appear in the manual
18:10 cait i think the admin page might be the only one from looking through them so far
18:12 ashimema Could we write some tests to check the help links perhaps..
18:31 cait Joubu: tests pass :)
18:35 Joubu great
18:38 cait Joubu: just testing translations now and the follow-up
18:55 cait ashimema: did you get an answer already about LibraryThing?
18:58 ashimema Not yet 😑
19:04 cait ah, just wondered because the patch moved so fast
19:05 Joubu cait: it's not a problem, ashimema moved the patch that removes the table to track the number of hits
19:12 cait i know, but i think that moved too
19:13 cait sorry, i might just be confusing
19:14 cait Joubu: pqa - love it
19:14 Joubu me too, thanks cait!
19:15 cait couldn't resist - added th enew german manuals too in my follow-up
19:15 cait we are not quite done with translating, but for 18.11 might be further already
19:15 cait they are on the website of course
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19:40 cait @later tell oleonard sending you some cookies to help with patch writing (seeing all the layout bugs Joubu files)
19:40 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
19:46 ashimema cait++ joubu++ the docs links patch
19:50 * caroline needs chocolate because she's getting crosseyed reading
19:54 * cait sends cookies to caroline too
19:54 caroline thanks cait :)
19:54 * caroline sends kitkats to cait
19:54 cait trying to pick a bug... but there are so many...
19:54 caroline virtual junk food exchange!
19:54 cait hehe
19:55 cait one of my friends here has nicknamed me kitkat
19:57 cait cookies are like a staple food, right? bottom of the food pyramid? ;)
19:57 caroline I guess with all the flour they could be considered in the grain category
19:58 cait :)
20:03 * ashimema is now wondering about sending cookies to hackfest
20:05 Joubu Either you join us, or you send cookies. It is in your contract
20:07 cait :)
20:11 cait 2018-08-16: 238 changes    - good day today
20:11 cait does it mean everybody is back from vacation now? :)
20:16 caroline hehehe!
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20:52 ashimema Right.. time for bed me thinks
20:52 ashimema Have a good suitable greeting for your timezone everyone
20:53 cait oh yummy
20:53 cait night ashimema
20:53 cait i should follow your example
20:53 cait too late for acq
20:56 cait @later tell kidclamp can you please take a look at my comments on bug 18639?
20:56 huginn` cait: The operation succeeded.
20:57 cait good night #koha :)
20:57 caroline bye cait!
21:04 caroline I'm off too! Good night and have a good weekend NZ!

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