IRC log for #koha, 2018-06-26

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06:32 alex_a bonjour
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07:40 fridolin hi there
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07:53 * fridolin releasing 17.05.13
07:54 ashimema :)
07:54 ashimema fridolin++
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08:34 jenkins Project Koha_17.05_D8 build #103: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_17.05_D8/103/
08:34 jenkins * kyle: Bug 18821: TrackLastPatronActivity is a performance killer
08:34 jenkins * kyle: Bug 18821: Convert to using cache with date checking
08:34 jenkins * Bug 18821: (QA follow-up) Last tweaks for performance
08:34 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 20922: Remove use of Koha::Number::Price in
08:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18821 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , TrackLastPatronActivity is a performance killer
08:34 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20922 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Koha::Number::Price must not be used in
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09:13 jenkins Project Koha_17.05_D8 build #104: SUCCESS in 38 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]oha_17.05_D8/104/
09:13 jenkins * unknown: Translation updates for Koha 17.05.13
09:13 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Increment version for 17.05.13 release
09:13 jenkins * fridolin.somers: Update release notes for 17.05.13 release
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09:29 josef_moravec fridolin++
09:29 josef_moravec cait++
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09:30 fridolin thanks ;)
09:31 josef_moravec fridolin: you are doing great job on 17.05, we're still using it in production ;)
09:35 fridolin oki I'll try to stabilise it
09:36 fridolin until 17.05.16
09:36 josef_moravec that's absolutaly OK? we are planning to migrate to 18.05 during the summer (sometimes) ;)
09:45 cait josef_moravec: we still need qa, but some tiem to the next release now
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11:02 AndrewIsh_ Hey all. Is anyone aware of any outstanding performance bugs on the REST API? I've been looking at poor response times on the ILL endpoint and discovered it actually appears to affect all endpoints. For example, a GET request to the /api/v1/cities endpoint, is taking 5.7s to respond with an empty response, similarly, a very simple GET on all ILL requests takes a similar time to response, with only 6 requests. Is anyone already aware of this?
11:10 ashimema I thought it was ILL specific due to the complex nature of the db
11:10 ashimema but perhaps not
11:12 eythian For those sorts of delays, my first thought is often a failing DNS lookup.
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11:21 cait AndrewIsh_: usng plack?
11:28 AndrewIsh_ ashimema: That was my thought, but no, I'm seeing the same on cities
11:28 AndrewIsh_ eythian: I'm seeing the same problem across my dev server and a customer's test server, so not likely to be DNS
11:28 AndrewIsh_ cait: Seeing it both with Plack and without
11:31 cait something to discuss with tcohen maybe - for the limited testing I did with browser tools it didn't seem esepcially slow, but I might just not have noticed
11:33 josef_moravec i didn't notice the slow api nor in tests or using browser
11:36 eythian AndrewIsh_: play around with something like this, and/or nytprof then perhaps[…]are::ServerTiming
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11:53 oleonard Hi #koha
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12:04 AndrewIsh_ Thanks eythian - I will try that!
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12:52 tcohen AndrewIsh_:
12:52 tcohen I think you had plack disabled due to incompatibility with Shibboleth?
12:57 AndrewIsh_ tcohen: Interesting, glad it's not something inherently wrong with the API :) I'm going to do some more testing, I've seen the problem on both Plack and non-Plack instances. I'll dig some more and report back. Thanks for that screenshot, very reassuring :D
12:58 tcohen that's returning 40-ish patrons that come with the sample data
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13:21 gveranis hi koha#
13:22 gveranis I would like to ask if community has a plugin for the field 000 creation on authorities in UNIMARC mode
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13:41 ashimema is there any magic that needs doing for a plugin to work under plack?
13:42 ashimema I get `Can't locate object method "output_html" via package "Koha::Plugin::Com::...`
13:42 ashimema if i run under cgi there's no such error
13:46 Joubu ashimema: it's a new method (since 18.05 I think) of Koha::Plugins::Base
13:48 ashimema oh.. thanks
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14:15 cait hi oleonard :)
14:20 oleonard Hi cait
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14:35 semarie hi. I have a quite old koha installation (3.06.12) I would like to upgrade to latest. what is the right way to do it ?
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14:55 caroline hello everyone!
14:57 oleonard Hi caroline
14:57 caroline Hi oleonard!
14:58 oleonard semarie: The advice I've always heard about migrating old installations is to export your Koha database and import it into a fresh, up-to-date Koha installation.
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14:58 oleonard semarie: It is not recommended that you upgrade an installation which is that old.
14:59 oleonard semarie: It's not my area of expertise, I'm just repeating what I've heard.
15:00 semarie oleonard: about the "export". it is just a mysqldump ?
15:00 reiveune bye
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15:00 oleonard semarie: Yes
15:01 eythian a mysqldump and reload is pretty much the same as doing an upgrade
15:01 semarie for now, I have done it this way, but I am unsure about the upgrade process.
15:01 semarie installer/ doesn't see the "old" version
15:02 semarie "Nous effectuons une mise à jour de Koha à Koha"
15:02 semarie which is wrong. the starting point isn't
15:03 semarie but I saw some command-line tools like: koha-upgrade-to-3.4
15:03 semarie "Performs the necessary changes to upgrade a Koha system from 3.2 to 3.4"
15:03 Joubu hi semarie
15:03 Joubu you have 3.6
15:03 Joubu so you do not need this script
15:03 Joubu I would restart memcached
15:04 semarie ah yes :)
15:04 semarie Joubu: thanks. now it see the right version
15:07 Joubu semarie: 18.05.01 has been released yesterday, it fixes several big issues of .00
15:07 semarie I installed using debian packages for 'stable'
15:09 Joubu packages will be available in the next few days
15:10 semarie so I will be able to check how upgrade using package is :)
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15:20 * oleonard anxiously awaits the exciting turnover to Bug 21000
15:20 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21000 could not be retrieved: InvalidBugId
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15:23 tuxayo ^^
15:23 cait ashimema: do you happen to know if ldap can map extended patron attributes now?
15:27 lavamind_ oleonard: there you go, filed bug 21000 :)
15:27 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21000 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , debian/build-git-snapshot script ignores --distribution
15:28 Joubu tcohen: a ref to koha-plack is missing from the wiki install pages, right?
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15:31 oleonard lavamind_: Just as exciting as Bug 1000.
15:31 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1000 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED INVALID, installer: drop/suppress entries in mysql if re-launching installer script
15:32 lavamind_ oleonard: maybe not as exciting but hopefully valid ? :P
15:32 lavamind_ data loss bugs are exciting XD
15:33 * oleonard doesn't get excited about bugs he doesn't know how to fix
15:35 lavamind_ I would say, those are the best bugs because you get to learn something
15:36 ashimema No idea I'm afraid cait
15:36 cait nm we will try it out
15:36 cait i found a bug stating it was broken and fixed - so assume it should work
15:36 cait just not sure about syntax
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15:41 Joubu @later tell tcohen: a ref to koha-plack is missing from the wiki install pages, right?
15:41 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
15:46 * wmnickc waves
15:46 tcohen Joubu: you are rihgt
15:47 * kidclamp waves
15:47 oleonard kidclamp: Thank goodness we got rid of that interloper
15:47 tcohen cait: I think it does
15:48 tcohen hi kidclamp!
15:48 kidclamp @later tell joubu it should have, apaprently didn't set it up right on my laptop, so my dekstop caught me on next push
15:48 huginn kidclamp: The operation succeeded.
15:48 Joubu kidclamp: hum? context please :)
15:48 kidclamp heh,testing irccloud so forget it steals my nicknameif I try to sign in elsewhere
15:49 kidclamp pre-push should have saved me
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15:49 Joubu ha yes
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16:51 * cait found more cookies
16:51 cait ... and not hapyp about it for a chance
16:51 cait change
16:51 cait issues-table-load-immediately-circulation
16:52 oleonard Oh yeah, that one.
16:52 cait hmm
16:54 cait i must finished the german translation today
16:57 cait we have a library rpeorting issues with the speciy due_date checkbox
16:57 cait like it magically reappearing
16:57 cait so far we can't reproduce it - and the bug survived an update too
16:57 cait so the cookie was just an additional catch...
16:58 cait hm they are right
16:58 cait i remove it weith delete and it comes back
16:58 cait when i switch to another user
17:01 cait hm yep not getting rid of the special due date
17:05 cait hm it's not a cookie... so where does it store that youchecked the checkbox
17:08 cait sessions table
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20:25 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software
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21:00 cait bug 21000
21:00 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=21000 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , debian/build-git-snapshot script ignores --distribution
21:00 cait not a very existing one
21:00 cait exciting even
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21:12 tcohen hi
21:13 cait hi
21:13 rangi hi tcohen
21:14 tcohen hi rangi!
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21:15 rangi https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]oposals#Arrivals_.26_Departures <-- tcohen you should add your details :)
21:15 wizzyrea hi tcohen
21:15 tcohen rangi, indeed!
21:15 tcohen hi wizzyrea
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21:26 gveranis hi #koha , I try to do a matching rule for field 001 but nothing worked. I have unimarc koha 17.11. Can someone help ?
21:27 gveranis I follow the documentation :[…]ministration.html and other guidelines from koha mail listing without success
21:30 cait what info did you enter?
21:30 cait can you share a screenshot?
21:31 cait if you used Control-number that might not work for UNIMARC
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21:32 cait gveranis: try Local-number
21:33 gveranis I tried also with no success
21:33 gveranis length should have a value ?
21:33 cait no you can leave that empt
21:33 cait y
21:33 cait offset too
21:33 cait and subfield
21:33 cait leave it
21:33 cait 001 has no subfields
21:33 cait the example is very flawed
21:34 gveranis Match Threshold -> 100
21:34 cait also if you are not using mulitple match points, the match threshold should match the score
21:34 cait score = 100
21:34 gveranis score 101
21:34 gveranis a
21:34 cait yeah that makes no sense
21:34 tcohen rangi: done!
21:34 rangi cool :)
21:34 cait ah i tides
21:34 cait sorry
21:34 cait it does
21:34 cait match threshold 101 and score 100 would make no sense
21:35 cait but htey can also be the same, it should work
21:35 cait the important bit usually is the Search index
21:35 cait what are you using there?
21:36 gveranis cait it works now. with Local-number and match threshold = score = 100
21:37 cait cool :)
21:37 gveranis and if i would like to do a match record rule for a field/subfield that not have search-index
21:37 gveranis it is something feasible ? or not ?
21:37 cait i haven't used it, but it shoudl be possible using the match check
21:38 gveranis with the same arguments as matchpoint ?
21:38 cait see at the bottom of the form?
21:38 cait you can add either match points - they require an index
21:38 cait or you can add match checks
21:38 cait and you can combine both
21:39 gveranis oh ok
21:39 cait match checks are using the db i think (from what i've read somewhere)
21:39 cait usually zebra based matching should be faster
21:39 MilkManzJourDaddy Let's try this again…  I want to recommend a F.(L.)O.S.S. I.L.S. to a library that is a member of a library union/system.  The union/system uses a O.P.A.C. which is Innovative Interfaces, Inc.'s Sierra ILS & Encore Discovery Solution.  Assuming that is M.A.R.C., could they use Koha as a client?
21:41 cait I guess it would dependon how hteir union catalog is organized
21:41 cait or library uion
21:41 cait if they all have to use the same ILS koha might not fit in
21:41 cait and koha is a full ILS, so you can't use 'just the OPAC'  - if you are just looking for a different search interface
21:41 gveranis Sierra is a central systems which use scopes but the database is one
21:42 gveranis if they want only functionality for OPAC you can suggest Vufind fo the integration between Sierra and other sources
21:42 gveranis they are compatible
21:43 gveranis If they want to use ILS then they cannot use Koha as a client it not the same thing
21:43 gveranis my job is to be it administrator on a such a thing you described in Greece.. 26 academic libraries under a Sierra ..
21:44 gveranis and believe me I search it a lot to move some way to Koha..
21:45 MilkManzJourDaddy Vufind for the library's I.L.S. Hmmm.  Thanks.  Well the union/system maintains the central database, but the library should be able to do it's own ILS, working with a DB.  Thanks.
21:45 gveranis They can move to Koha as seperate ILS and provide records to Enocre
21:45 gveranis if they want to be connected some how..
21:45 gveranis *Encore
21:46 MilkManzJourDaddy This is what I mean.
21:46 cait vufind is not an ILS
21:46 gveranis Vufind only for the OPAC
21:46 cait yep
21:46 gveranis yes it is not ILS
21:46 gveranis Sierra use one postgresql database and each library has an instance of it as a scope..
21:47 MilkManzJourDaddy So, how to use Koha as a ILS with a central database managed by Sierra?
21:47 gveranis impossible
21:47 MilkManzJourDaddy > They can move to Koha as seperate ILS and provide records to Enocre
21:48 gveranis yes but only for the records
21:48 gveranis not for loans.. patrons.. you must be informed for library policies
21:48 gveranis Koha has ILL subsystem, Sierra has it also
21:49 gveranis so Koha and Sierra can communicate
21:49 gveranis for loan and maybe patrons
21:49 gveranis but you should check policies
21:50 gveranis Encore can harvest data by OAI-PMH for other sources.. Koha has OAI-PMH for free.. Encore not be carefull ;)
21:50 gveranis for the price..
21:50 MilkManzJourDaddy Ah.  So they would have to detatch from the library system/union with patrons and materials, only communicating as ILL for loans.  Not good.  Thanks.
21:51 gveranis Also Sierra has an API
21:51 gveranis but you need development there for a bridge
21:51 gveranis if you have a budget ;)
21:51 gveranis you can do iy
21:51 gveranis *it
21:51 gveranis the API is really good
21:53 gveranis Koha also has an API , you can retrieve and update etc records, patrons.. and other things from API. but again read policies.. under a union catalogue policies is the main key for all libraries to be engaged
21:53 gveranis with the union ..
21:53 * MilkManzJourDaddy is too.
21:54 MilkManzJourDaddy Language barriers, perhaps.
21:54 gveranis maybe
21:54 cait where are you from MilkManzJourDaddy?
21:55 MilkManzJourDaddy Well, surely there is restricted acccess, with passcodes" if that is what you mean by "policies".
21:57 gveranis no I mean rules for loan , rules for patron, rules for access on collections etc.. policy is how a library is working under this union
21:58 MilkManzJourDaddy I am a traveller, but try to leave a place in the same, or better state than when I arrived, including libraries.  Proprietary software is unacceptable.
22:00 MilkManzJourDaddy gveranis: Ah, so Koha could work if the policies matched?  But member libraries have their own rules, i.e. length of loan and number of renewals.
22:01 gveranis it depends how you connect Koha , policies , Sierra
22:01 gveranis you need to study them
22:01 gveranis The options are 1. Koha - ILL - Sierra
22:01 gveranis 2. Koha - Vufind - Sierra - Encore
22:01 gveranis 3. Koha - API - Sierra
22:02 gveranis and each solution depends on budget
22:02 MilkManzJourDaddy Well, I'll have a look at Vufind, and try to get them on an app' on F-Droid for patrons accessing the catalogue.  I hate that Sierra uses the GET method!!!
22:03 MilkManzJourDaddy Thanks.
22:03 gveranis ok Vufind is only for OPAC
22:03 * MilkManzJourDaddy goes "AFK".
22:07 tcohen if someone had a budget to improve Koha's API faster… :-D
22:07 cait gveranis++
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22:19 gveranis cait something to ask again for matching rules.
22:21 gveranis I have set as match point the 001 as you told me and I try to use Match checks also. I want to check if 001 is the same as 942$x for the records I want to update I know is the same
22:21 gveranis but with Matchpoint i have 100% success , with and match check I have 0% success
22:22 gveranis Match Check , incoming 001 and target ( database ) record check field 942$x
22:23 gveranis I try only to use match check but without success also
22:27 cait sorry, about to fall asleep
22:27 cait let me look up something
22:27 gveranis ok
22:28 cait i was looking for a blog post from bywater on it, but he link is broken
22:29 gveranis offset and length for match check should be filled ?
22:30 cait i would only fill that for control fields
22:30 cait wher you need to check for a certain position
22:30 gveranis could you please send me the link ? maybe I can find it on archivewww
22:31 cait[…]9N7JVsSErftdVsXRa
22:31 cait hm
22:31 cait[…]/2012-10-22_1239/
22:32 gveranis[…]al/feed/index.xml
22:33 gveranis above the middle of the page has an explanation
22:33 gveranis *below sorry
22:34 cait hm?
22:36 cait good night #koha
22:37 gveranis good night
22:37 gveranis thanks for your support
22:37 cait gveranis: also might have been this
22:37 cait[…]h-points-in-koha/
22:37 cait sadly also down
22:38 cait bye all
22:39 gveranis[…]h-points-in-koha/
22:39 gveranis no no
22:39 gveranis ;)
22:39 gveranis archive the www
22:43 gveranis I read it but just seems not to work as expected
22:44 gveranis thanks again
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