IRC log for #koha, 2018-04-16

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06:26 ass we have got a new server we were wondering which OS we should install Debian Server edition or Ubuntu Server Edition which one is better and which will help us to continue for next 5 years
06:27 ass shall we install desktop or only server edition
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06:29 reiveune hello
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06:56 alex_a bonjour
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07:06 fridolin hi there
07:06 wahanui hi, fridolin
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07:24 eythian ass: if it's a server, install the server only. As for Ubuntu vs. Debian, it probably doesn't matter too much. Debian is the most supported, but Ubuntu LTS will probably be kept working too for much of its life.
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07:25 gaetan_B hello
07:25 ass ok  its a server so we will go for then ubuntu as ubuntu server supports LTS for 5 years which is nt the case with debian right
07:26 tuxayo hi #koha o/
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07:34 eythian ass:
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07:46 magnuse \o/
07:51 nlegrand Bonjour !
07:51 magnuse bonjour nlegrand!
07:52 nlegrand Ça va magnuse ?
07:52 magnuse um, tres bon!
07:52 nlegrand :)
07:52 * magnuse spent the weekend on an island a bit south, looking for puffins
07:52 * magnuse did not see any, but had the most wonderful weekend anyway
07:53 nlegrand :) how nice
07:53 nlegrand puffins seem so rare I'm wondering it's not a kind of legend
08:06 magnuse i have seen some before :-)
08:08 nlegrand Ho.
08:09 nlegrand Well, where will we go if we start beleiving people?
08:10 calire Scotland :)
08:13 nlegrand Ho it is a nice place to be in this time of the year. No midges.
08:15 calire ;)
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08:42 cait hi all
08:44 magnuse kia ora cait
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09:27 cait jajm: which one is the most important of the acq bugs?
09:29 jajm cait, i'd say bug 11708, because it blocks 6 other bugs
09:29 cait i'd then start with that one when i get to qa again
09:29 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11708 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Signed Off , Display all basketgroups on one page, and new column aqbasketgroups.closeddate
09:30 cait probably the least nice one to qa then too :)
09:30 cait ok
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09:54 ass online access to journals is it necessary to add them in serials when  we are not receiving any print copies
09:54 ass can we just add their order details in koha
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10:32 magnuse \o/
10:44 AndrewIsh Hey all, quick dev question. I'm creating a patch that makes a tiny DB modification, as part of that I want to pre-populate a few values. It's simple enough to do in the atomic update for existing DBs, but I can't figure out the appropriate place to do it for new DBs. I've made the schema change in kohastructure.sql, but can't find where I'd specify the prepopulated data for new DBs. Any pointers?
10:45 AndrewIsh I've not been able to find anything pertaining to this on the wiki
10:55 cait the sample data
10:55 wahanui hmmm... the sample data is[…]_sample_MARC_data
10:56 cait what kind of data are we talking about AndrewIsh
10:56 cait but you are probably looking for installer/mysql/data and then en/ for the beginning
10:57 cait that's the data the web installer loads
10:57 cait like framweorks or authorised values
10:58 AndrewIsh cait:  It is indeed authorised_values. I want to create a row in authorised_value_categories
10:59 AndrewIsh cait:  This is in relation to bug 20581
10:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20581 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, ASSIGNED , Allow manual selection of custom ILL request statuses
11:00 AndrewIsh cait:  I need to create an "ILLSTATUS" authorised values category, in order that the user can then create values in it
11:00 cait yep
11:00 cait there is already a file for that int he installer
11:01 cait once you have figured it out and tested ok, you will also have to add it to the translated files (witout translations)
11:01 AndrewIsh Ahaaaa, clearly I didn't look hard enough! :)
11:01 AndrewIsh Yep, understood
11:02 AndrewIsh I'll have a poke around in installer/data/mysql/ - many thanks!
11:11 AndrewIsh Sorry, me again. Just to make sure I understand this. So I've created an atomicupdate, which includes an insert into authorised_value_categories. As I understand it, the RM compiles that atomicupdate into So that takes care of existing DBs. So does also get run on new databases after creation?
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11:38 oleonard Hi all
11:40 calire hi oleonard
11:40 wahanui hi dear loon
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11:48 marcelr hi #koha
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12:22 magnuse AndrewIsh: no, is only run on existing dbs
12:23 magnuse new databases are created by kohastructure.sql + populated by sample data cait was talking about earlier
12:27 AndrewIsh magnuse:  Ah, OK. I was just confused because, in installer/data/mysql, the only files that insert values into authorised_value_categories are & mandatory/auth_val_cat.sql. So I wasn't clear where I should be adding my category, though now I write it down, it seems like I should add it to installer/data/mysql/en/mandatory/auth_values.sql
12:28 magnuse yeah, if you want to make sure it is in every new database, that is the way to go
12:28 magnuse (and remember to add it for the other languages too :-)
12:29 magnuse or you could create an optional file - so that people who want to use ill can choose it and those who know they will not use it have less clutter
12:30 AndrewIsh Indeed, I was just thinking that it'll only be required if people enable ILL, good point!
12:30 AndrewIsh OK, that makes sense, thanks for the help magnuse / cait :)
12:36 magnuse np!
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12:44 tcohen morning!
12:46 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
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13:01 tcohen jajm: around?
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13:01 jajm tcohen, yes
13:02 tcohen I'm about to submit to 20568
13:02 tcohen It should be complete
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13:05 magnuse bug 20568
13:05 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20568 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, ASSIGNED , Add API key management interface for patrons
13:05 magnuse +1!
13:05 tcohen jajm: i'm still not sure about the Mojo plugin for the OAuth2 server
13:06 tcohen magnuse: it is NSO now ;-)
13:07 jajm tcohen, i think we can remove it, it adds a new dependency and it's not worth it IMO
13:07 tcohen I agree
13:12 tcohen jajm: 20402 should depend on this one I think
13:14 jajm tcohen, isn't it the opposite ? 20568 depends on 20402
13:15 tcohen not really, because this one only implements CRUD stuff for api keys
13:15 tcohen and the other one should consume this instead of koha-conf
13:18 tcohen jajm: do you agree?
13:19 tcohen I'm about to resubmit  the patches
13:19 tcohen I made a couple mistakes XD
13:21 jajm tcohen, i fear that if we do that none of the 2 bugs will make it into 18.05
13:22 tcohen I will QA the OAuth server, and the implementation is good enough IMHO
13:22 tcohen we just need someone to SO on this simple CRUD stuff
13:22 tcohen and you can QA it, hopefully you won't find any blocker
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14:11 jajm thanks for the vote tcohen
14:11 tcohen that's for starting the discussion!
14:18 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 19882: Fix syntax issue in .pref file <[…]1d4b1dc743a3e1591>
14:22 cait1 jajm: i think we had josef_moravec as an additional tester
14:22 cait1 maybe get in touch with him for waht you need tested?
14:32 jajm tcohen, API clients are supposed to have a client id and a client secret, what should be used for client id with bug 20568 ?
14:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20568 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add API key management interface for patrons
14:33 tcohen right
14:34 tcohen do you have any suggestion?
14:35 tcohen it shouldn't change in time, right?
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14:37 jajm we could generate a pair of (id,secret) instead of a single key
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14:49 tcohen the ID is supposed to identity the 'consumer', right?
14:50 tcohen is it possible that a consumer has many keys?
14:50 tcohen or do we need to keep a one to many relationship with keys?
14:50 tcohen (e.g. we store the revoked keys, etc)
14:51 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #435: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/435/
14:51 jenkins Jonathan Druart: Bug 19882: Fix syntax issue in .pref file
14:51 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19882 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nick, Pushed to Master , Add Novelist Select staff client profile
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15:45 cait josef_moravec++
15:45 cait thank you!
15:47 oleonard It'd be nice to be able to change date due in the batch item modification tool.
15:48 oleonard Y'know, for days when Owen forgot to define a holiday.
15:50 cait heh
15:50 cait would owen do that?
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16:17 * LeeJ waves
16:17 LeeJ hi #koha
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16:47 LeeJ cait: around?
16:47 cait about to run out, what's up?
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16:59 cait1 LeeJ: sorry, got disconnected
16:59 cait1 will be bakc in a bit
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17:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 11674: DBRev <[…]94f34170c8cf5d83e>
17:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18725: Test return values of make_column_dirty <[…]933f142541ea2190d>
17:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20515: (QA follow-up) Fix capitalization on 'Ill Requests' <[…]cfafdbd49e25736dd>
17:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18007: Interface updates to notices and notice previews <[…]d8ed37db5393f3de8>
17:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20515: (follow-up) Add missing CAN_user_ill <[…]8f2381710f1ebc7a4>
17:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18725: (QA follow-up) Use make_column_dirty instead of status change <[…]2dc7119eecdc9cfb5>
17:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20515: (QA follow-up) Remove specific superlibrarian check <[…]ef4e9c5a0c2ba282d>
17:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20539: Remove warnings in catalogue/ <[…]df330bcb4591f6291>
17:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20515: Fix permission check on "ILL request" menu options <[…]df15f9124e1cf6ee6>
17:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 11674: Configuration for MARC field doc URLs <[…]d90f0302e93c418ff>
17:11 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 18725: Prevent process_message_queue to send duplicate emails if message_queue... <[…]af83a94184cd1b2f9>
17:46 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #436: SUCCESS in 33 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/436/
17:46 jenkins * kyle: Bug 18725: Prevent process_message_queue to send duplicate emails if
17:46 jenkins * Bug 18725: (QA follow-up) Use make_column_dirty instead of status change
17:46 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 18725: Test return values of make_column_dirty
17:46 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18725 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , sends duplicate emails if message_queue is not writable
17:46 jenkins * julian.maurice: Bug 20539: Remove warnings in catalogue/
17:46 jenkins * andrew.isherwood: Bug 20515: Fix permission check on "ILL request" menu options
17:46 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20539 normal, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Warnings in catalogue/ need to be removed
17:46 jenkins * andrew.isherwood: Bug 20515: (QA follow-up) Remove specific superlibrarian check
17:46 jenkins * andrew.isherwood: Bug 20515: (follow-up) Add missing CAN_user_ill
17:46 jenkins * katrin.fischer: Bug 20515: (QA follow-up) Fix capitalization on 'Ill Requests'
17:46 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20515 trivial, P5 - low, ---, andrew.isherwood, Pushed to Master , "ILL Request" menu options displayed when user has no ILL permissions
17:46 jenkins * oleonard: Bug 18007: Interface updates to notices and notice previews
17:46 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=18007 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Interface updates to notices and notice previews
17:46 jenkins * pasi.kallinen: Bug 11674: Configuration for MARC field doc URLs
17:46 jenkins * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11674: DBRev
17:46 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=11674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Pushed to Master , Configuration for MARC field doc URLs
17:48 LeeJ @later cait how did you address documenting enhancements/bugfixes?
17:48 huginn LeeJ: downloading the Perl source
17:48 LeeJ @later tell cait how did you address documenting enhancements/bugfixes?
17:48 huginn LeeJ: The operation succeeded.
17:52 * LeeJ gives huginn a cookie - 01100011 01101111 01101111 01101011 01101001 01100101
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18:08 cait LeeJ: still around?
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18:26 LeeJ cait: yup :)
18:35 cait me too again
18:35 cait cooking dinner
18:41 LeeJ haha
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18:57 oleonard[…]?p=15239049935877
19:02 cait putting this here and then running out...ts
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19:09 tcohen jajm: done
19:15 * cait waves
19:19 Joubu cait: bug 19794: why we should not update existing installations?
19:19 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19794 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Passed QA , Rename RLIST - Routing list notice template as it's not related to routing lists
19:20 Joubu (I undestood that will not change anything, but in the future we could use this SERIAL_ALERT code in the template, for instance
19:20 Joubu and then RLIST will be forgotten
19:20 Joubu and I close the )
19:34 cait we would not use it int he template, because you can have multiple templates :)
19:34 cait and some libraries might to just that, we don't know
19:35 cait we can update it, i justthought it might be confusing to the library to change it
19:35 cait not sure if htere is a proper FK
19:35 cait it displays as a pull down in subscription, Koha only looks for the module
19:36 cait hm
19:36 cait if youwant ot, i will give it a try
19:38 cait hope i made sense
19:38 Joubu cait: I was just wondering, not sure either
19:38 cait we'll ask tcohen
19:38 cait :P
19:38 Joubu maybe just a warning in updatedb?
19:38 cait hm why warn?
19:38 cait i mean what o put in the warning?
19:39 cait tcohen is ignoring us
19:41 cait i think either update the existing notice or not, but a warning does not make sense to me
19:43 cait i'll take a look at writing a database update
19:43 cait then we can put in the update message that it has been updated
19:43 cait another question
19:43 wahanui another question is probably when i install a new koha besides the koha-conf.xml is there any other file that store the necessary information?
19:43 cait how do i get a unimarc installation in my kohadevbox?
19:43 cait is it easily possible?
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19:51 cait hi davidnind :)
19:55 Joubu cait: no idea
19:55 Joubu I have never tried, but it should be possible
19:55 cait i think I can
19:55 davidnind hi cait
19:55 cait jus tupdating my devbox, ther eis a new reset_all_unimarc
19:56 cait tcohen++[…]038d7249e72237000
19:57 cait davidnind++
19:57 cait while this runs, time to do the dishes :)
20:18 cait tcohen: do you know why this might happen with reset_all_unimarc?
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20:23 Joubu @later tell oleonard bug 9302 comment 39, point 10: what are the news guidelines for new pages?
20:23 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
20:23 Joubu cait: wrong records
20:24 cait hm yep, but shoudl the reset not load unimarc ones?
20:24 cait i was wondering maybe wrong indexing
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20:24 Joubu *should*, yes
20:25 cait it used the configured marcflavour docs say
20:25 cait i tihnk you need to start the devbox as unimarc
20:35 * andreashm waves
20:37 cait Joubu: .pl files need use CGI qw ( -utf8 ); right?
20:37 cait the utf8 bit?
20:39 Joubu yes
20:40 cait thx
20:40 cait working on some pretty old patches
20:51 cait The method created_by is not covered by tests! :(
20:53 rangi that is the WORST error message
20:53 rangi because it is totally muscular
20:53 rangi lol
20:53 rangi misleading
20:53 Joubu you can blame me
20:53 cait i was wondering
20:53 rangi wow my brain exploded then
20:54 Joubu I have a patch to improve it, I do not know why I did not submit it yet
20:54 rangi this column in the table doesn't have a method
20:54 rangi is what it means eh?
20:54 cait running dbic and restart_all made it go away
20:54 cait weird
20:54 Joubu it means that the method you are calling is not a column of the table
20:54 rangi Joubu: I should have sent a patch myself, instead of just complaining :)
20:54 Joubu or a DBIx::Class method that is "not allowed"
20:54 rangi ahh hyep
20:55 Joubu the idea was to know what DBIx::Class method we are calling
20:55 cait werid because i thought i had already done that
20:55 Joubu and allow them one by one, providing tests for them
20:55 rangi ahh yep, that is a good idea
20:55 Joubu cait: then regenerate the schema
20:55 cait yeah thought i did that before, whatever, it worked now:)
20:55 rangi :)
20:56 cait i should not always qa with tired brain
20:56 rangi when you figure out how to not have a tired brain, tell me :)
20:57 * andreashm would like to know too
20:57 andreashm not for qa, just life in general
20:57 rangi :)
20:59 andreashm Joubu: thanks for testing bug 19469. You found some interesting discrepancies. All valid I think.
20:59 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19469 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add ability to split view of holds view on record by pickup library and/or itemtype
21:00 Joubu quite hard to test because the existing view is already a bit buggy... :)
21:00 andreashm Yes I know.
21:01 * andreashm found some other (related) bugs while testing that one. Like bug 19574
21:01 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19574 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Wrong itemtype can be chosen when placing holds
21:02 cait :)
21:02 cait not the bug, but i love alive #koha
21:03 andreashm hehe
21:04 andreashm @later tell khall_away did you see Joubu's comment on bug 19469?
21:04 huginn andreashm: The operation succeeded.
21:05 * andreashm is thinking about item-level holds... and how they actually fit in the holds view in general.
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21:11 Joubu cait: is this a regression:[…]A/ ?
21:11 Joubu just if you know at quick glance, otherwise I will check on stable branches
21:11 Joubu selects are misaligned
21:12 cait give me a second, just finishing this off
21:12 Joubu not urgent at all, just putting it here to not forget actually
21:12 cait ok, confused
21:12 wahanui confused is "Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
21:12 cait what am i looking for?
21:13 cait ah
21:13 cait i never noticed it, i can check an older version one moment
21:14 cait looks the same in 16.11
21:14 cait standing order, billing and delivery are more to the left
21:17 cait hm got a question too
21:18 cait anyone else seeing this javascript error on patron search? Source map error: TypeError: NetworkError when attempting to fetch resource.
21:18 cait Resource URL: moz-extension://4c0a0122-572e-487b-8450-a7c0749​b2c69/js/resources/lib/browser-polyfill.min.js
21:18 cait browser issue?
21:19 rangi looks like it
21:19 wahanui Can we get some hard data on that?
21:20 cait hm must be, odd
21:32 cait ok, I tink i am going a little crazy
21:32 cait I am testing bug 14716
21:32 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=14716 normal, P5 - low, ---, ere.maijala, Needs Signoff , Correctly URI-encode URLs in XSLT result lists and detail pages
21:33 cait and in one browser the urls are encoded
21:33 cait and in the other they are not
21:34 cait any reason this could be a thing?
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21:56 rangi one of our clients wants versioning and drafts etc for marc records implemented
21:57 rangi so that you can view past versions, roll back
21:57 rangi etc
21:58 rangi the drafts is easy enough, we just can put them in the reserviour to be checked. But the full version control is a bit trickier
21:58 rangi the idea i had, was to basically export the xml, and store it in an actual version control system (most likely git)
21:58 rangi so each change, commits that file too
21:59 rangi has anyone else thought about this before?
21:59 rangi (that way also it woudlnt be marc specific)
22:03 cait someone from sweden worked on that once i think
22:03 rangi yeah i vaguely remember that, ill see if I can hunt it down
22:03 cait hm, not sure if Viktor is still working on Koha, but he would know i tihnk
22:04 rangi magnus might know too
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22:17 rangi Joubu: are you about?
22:41 cait @later tell oleonard if you get some time, could you take a look at bug 17674 maybe? it looks promising but some visual issues.
22:41 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
22:44 * cait is the evil fail qa queen
22:44 cait :(

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