IRC log for #koha, 2018-03-30

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07:07 gaetan_B hello
07:07 wahanui hi, gaetan_B
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07:44 tuxayo hi #koha o/
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08:04 cait good morning #koha!
08:17 cait I guess most of Europe is on holiday today :)
08:18 tuxayo cait: really?
08:18 wahanui really is more trouble than she's worth.
08:18 cait oh, no holiday in france?
08:18 tuxayo shouldn't you be in holiday in Germany?
08:18 tuxayo cait: no
08:18 cait i am on holiday, just choosing to make it a qa day :)
08:19 cait we are getting close to release time!
08:20 tuxayo cait: you have strange hobbies :P
08:20 tuxayo Do you like marking patches as failed QA that much?
08:21 eythian cait: no holiday here too
08:22 cait I tihnk i already otld you yesterday that you picked the wrong country ;)
08:22 cait tuxayo: don't tempt me ;)
08:33 cait but if you look at the stats on the dashboard, you see I am not only failing
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09:11 tuxayo cait: indeed :D
09:11 tuxayo great numbers there!
09:11 tuxayo cait++
09:43 cait @later tell tcohen Can https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]iki/REST_api_RFCs be updated for patrons now and possible others? Which are the next you need a comment on?
09:43 huginn cait: The operation succeeded.
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10:13 kidclamp cait ping
10:19 cait pong! :)
11:01 cait alex_a: around?
11:02 alex_a cait: yep
11:02 cait could you take another look at bug 20385?
11:02 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20385 major, P5 - low, ---, nick, Signed Off , ElasticSearch authority search raises Software error
11:02 cait nick just passed the dependent patch for unimarc auth, so we need to resolve this one too :)
11:03 alex_a cait: do it after lunch
11:03 alex_a :)
11:03 cait thank you!
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12:08 cait hi oleonard :)
12:12 oleonard Hi cait
12:17 oleonard cait: When testing 19474 and/or 20427 remember that you shouldn't apply the compiled CSS patches. Skip them and regenerate the CSS via the yarn build commands.
12:17 cait ok!
12:17 cait :)
12:17 oleonard Thanks!
12:17 cait i had indeed not thought about that
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12:23 cait oleonard: I CC'd you on a patch for highlighting
12:26 cait oleonard: patches apply now, testing :)
12:28 cait oleonard: should I worry about that? [12:27:40] gulp-autoprefixer:
12:28 cait autoprefixer: /home/vagrant/kohaclone/koh​a-tmpl/opac-tmpl/bootstrap/css/src/opac.css:897:3: Gradient has outdated direction syntax. New syntax is like `to left` instead of `right`.
12:28 oleonard It's a coding-style warning, so it's not dangerous. I hope to resolve it but can't seem to figure out what is triggering it.
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12:35 cait oleonard: found a small thing i think
12:36 cait the suggestio message at the bottom of the result list
12:36 cait there is a list style point
12:36 cait but that's really the only thing i have spotted so far, can you confirm?
12:36 * oleonard digs a hole and climbs into it
12:36 cait huh?
12:36 oleonard I can't here you down here in the pit of shame
12:37 cait it feels a little like you might be overreacting
12:37 cait unless i missed something really huge and then I should be down there
12:39 eythian geez oleonard. I thought better of you.
12:39 eythian Look what you've gone and done.
12:41 oleonard cait: I confirm.
12:42 cait want to throw in a quick followup?
12:42 cait i am done otherwise and happy
12:42 cait ok, i found a bug in course reserves... but that's just the usual :)
12:42 cait poking at something and finding a completely unrelated problem
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12:43 cait hello jenkins, did you sleep in too?
12:43 cait brb
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12:46 * oleonard climbs out of his hole and fills it back in
12:46 oleonard cait: What you see is also in master.
12:59 cait oleonard-away: lol ok :)
12:59 cait pqa!
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13:06 oleonard <3
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13:22 cait oleonard: can you remind me of the bug with the missing screenshot from me?
13:23 oleonard Bug 20044
13:23 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Switch single-column templates to Bootstrap grid: Cataloging
13:29 cait alex_a++ khall++ kidclamp++ thx all :)
13:29 alex_a cait++
13:29 alex_a (for the reminder)
13:29 cait :)
13:29 cait maybe Bug 19581   next? :)
13:32 alex_a cait: i'll take a look asap
13:32 nlegrand $ curl
13:32 nlegrand health status index              uuid                   pri rep docs.count docs.deleted store.size
13:32 nlegrand yellow open   koha_robin_biblios vFgnihNqQy2bvKBiLmlwpw   5   1    1060274            0     10.4gb         10.4gb
13:33 cait alex_a: another candidate for you is Bug 19575        - Use canonical field names and resolve aliased fields - nick signed off, so he is out
13:34 nlegrand We made some test with our catalog loaded in ES, the results are : indexing is faster, it takes less space on disks and we find more stuffs than before.
13:34 nlegrand It's not perfect, but it is far better :).
13:34 cait the right stuffs too?
13:35 nlegrand cait: not always, we find that searching with quotes gave more accurate results.
13:35 cait with zebra or with elastic?
13:35 nlegrand kidclamp: you remember your problem with chinese ?
13:36 nlegrand cait: with ES
13:37 alex_a cait: put it on my to do list
13:37 nlegrand cait: also, our Zebra was not that well tuned.
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13:45 cait alex_a: cool thx!
13:46 cait nlegrand: i think it might work a little better with marc21, but not sure (zebra)
13:57 alex_a kidclamp: around?
13:58 kidclamp sort of
13:58 kidclamp gimme a few
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14:03 cait We got a question about a possible change in behavour with lost editing (make it consistent) on bug 19974  - would be great to get some additional feedback
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14:05 nlegrand kidclamp you remember your bug with chinese? Putting "" around cures it.
14:05 kidclamp weird nlegrand
14:07 kidclamp whats up alex_a?
14:07 nlegrand curl -H 'Content-Type: application/json' -d '{ "query": {"match": { "title" : "中國翻譯"}}}' find it. If I search in Koha form without quotes, is find nothing.
14:08 nlegrand *finds
14:09 kidclamp so maybe we just need to look at how we build the query that was pass
14:09 alex_a kidclamp: do you know if there is a limit in elasticsearch to the weight we can pass on fields ?
14:09 alex_a Did'nt find anything in the ES doc
14:11 kidclamp I don't know of any limit, I think boost values can be arbitrary
14:13 nlegrand no limit is not something to put in the hands of librarians :)
14:14 tuxayo cait around?
14:15 cait yep
14:18 alex_a kidclamp: thx
14:20 * tuxayo sent a long message: tuxayo_2018-03-30_14:20:38.txt <[…]QEOQidfVUayGwXaoq>
14:20 tuxayo oups
14:21 tuxayo I guess it triggered the long message behavior so I'll fragment it.
14:21 tuxayo cait I think I've done everything which had to be done before submitting bug 12310 for sign off.
14:21 tuxayo My current patch is here:[…]5e29636b670e4c3e5
14:21 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12310 critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, ASSIGNED , Accept different monetary formats as input
14:21 tuxayo The question is how to make the test plan shorter.
14:21 tuxayo Can I add something like «you don't have to try every case for all the fields when having done a full pass on the 1st field» without compromising too the quality of the test plan?
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14:29 cait kidclamp: added naother comment to the lost bug, i think hte pref is misleading too
14:29 cait tuxayo: taking a look now
14:30 tuxayo thanks :)
14:30 cait tuxayo: if you edit it, don't use → - they look strange on command line :)
14:30 Joubu tcohen: you took care of jenkins, that's it?
14:30 Joubu hi #koha
14:31 cait hi Joubu!
14:31 Joubu tcohen: koha_1       | [14:20:23] t/db_dependent/00-strict.t ..................................... ok   572524 ms
14:31 Joubu should be o
14:31 Joubu ok
14:32 cait tuxayo: did you add currency smbols in acq?
14:32 tcohen yes, updated the  koha-testing-docker image when received Mirko s email
14:33 Joubu vs
14:33 Joubu koha_1       | [21:33:00] t/db_dependent/00-strict.t ..................................... ok  1055848 ms
14:33 cait tuxayo: i think i am alrady a bit confused about the changes :)
14:33 Joubu before the speed improvement patches
14:33 cait tuxayo: i'd probably split it
14:34 cait make a start page for either acq or fines
14:34 cait to demonstrate
14:34 cait and then do the other module separately
14:34 cait this will also shorten your test plan
14:35 tuxayo cait: oh I love "→" but it must not look good on some fonts. Ok, I note the change.
14:35 tuxayo «did you add currency smbols in acq»: no
14:36 cait good :)
14:36 cait for users we should have it, but in acq it will only clutter
14:36 cait too many numbers there
14:36 Joubu tuxayo: did you start already?
14:36 tuxayo «make a start page» ? → start patch? → initial patch?
14:36 tuxayo Joubu: start what?
14:37 cait tuxayo: start with a small part, and listen to Joubu :)
14:37 Joubu 12310
14:37 kidclamp always listen to Joubu, except when he is wrong
14:38 Joubu tuxayo: you really (but really) should not fix alignement in your patches
14:38 Joubu like:
14:38 Joubu -        <input type="button" value="Save"  onclick="Check(this.form)" />
14:38 Joubu +        <input type="button" value="Save" onclick="Check(this.form)" />
14:38 Joubu or empty lines
14:38 Joubu (merge conflicts)
14:40 Joubu tuxayo: I think we should follow what I did on bug 4078 for the separator between the symbol and the amount
14:40 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Add the ability to customize and display the symbol for a currency
14:41 Joubu it is also what we should do for the "display the symbol before or after the amount" setting (not implemented yet)
14:41 wahanui okay, Joubu.
14:41 Joubu it?
14:43 oleonard cait: I guess we need to get more opinions on Bug 20044?
14:43 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Switch single-column templates to Bootstrap grid: Cataloging
14:43 oleonard Before: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]ment.cgi?id=73490
14:43 oleonard After: https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]ment.cgi?id=73489
14:43 jenkins Yippee, build fixed!
14:43 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
14:43 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #414: FIXED in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/414/
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14:51 tuxayo cait:
14:51 tuxayo 1. only fines is enough or too big?
14:51 tuxayo 2. What about «Can I add something like «you don't have to try every case for all the fields when having done a full pass on the 1st field» without compromising too much the quality of the test plan?»
14:51 tuxayo Joubu:
14:51 tuxayo 3. fix alignment: can I split the alignment in another patch? Or is it a waste of time to try to fix alignment bit by bit compared to just ignore these issues?
14:51 tuxayo 4. Should alignment fixes be in the first or last patch? I suspect that there might be a trap there.
14:51 tuxayo 5. yes I started it, it's been almost 20 time I amend the code for refactoring or bug fixes ^^"
14:51 tuxayo 6. «I think we should follow what I did on bug 4078 for the separator between the symbol and the amount»
14:51 tuxayo There is nothing specific about symbol is this patch. It just removes everything that is not a digit,-,or a separtor.
14:51 huginn Bug[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Add the ability to customize and display the symbol for a currency
14:51 tuxayo I'll rephrase the commit message to reflect ↑
14:52 Joubu oleonard: did you take care of bug 19641 comment 27?
14:52 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move patron templates JavaScript to the footer
14:52 cait only fines should be ok
14:52 cait but please use normal quotes too :)
14:53 cait it's ok to give examples on the test plan, you don't have to be extensive
14:53 oleonard Sorry Joubu I missed that. I'll work on it.
14:53 cait some can be left to testers
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15:06 Joubu khall, cait: about the TT syntax for notices, I think we should announce it ready (experimental) for 18.05 and then make the switch (new install use TT syntax as default) for 18.11, would you agree with that?
15:08 khall Good plan joubu!
15:12 cait sounds good
15:12 cait i was trying to see how far we got, but was a bit lost
15:12 cait is there stuff missing still?
15:12 Joubu cait: I do not remember...
15:20 Joubu tuxayo: sorry, lagging...
15:20 cait Joubu: i didn't see something obvious, but probabl worht checking
15:20 cait khall: could you draw up some basic examples for people ont he wiki maybe?
15:20 Joubu 3, 4. Do not fix alignement, only fix it if you are editing the line or working inside the block (can be subjective)
15:21 Joubu most of the examples from the wiki can be found in the tests
15:21 Joubu I have provided the equivalent TT syntax for them
15:21 Joubu (that was the main goal of the "provide equivalent TT version" omnibus bug)
15:23 Joubu tuxayo: just keep in mind: if it is relative to a currency (can be different from one currency to another) you need to add an attribute to the currency, not a syspref
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15:25 Shane-S Hi all, I keep trying to stay here and get answers but keeping getting pulled away so I am sorry if you answered me prior I missed them.
15:25 Shane-S I have 12.20.02 and I going to build a new VM with 16.04LTS and packages so I assume the 17.11 install. Can I migrate the data easily?
15:26 cait what is 12.20.02?
15:26 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #415: UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/415/
15:26 Shane-S Koha is 12.20.02
15:27 Shane-S sorry, and I will use Ubuntu 16.04LTS on the new server and likely MariaDB
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15:30 Shane-S okay..I wrote something wrong....
15:30 Shane-S Koha version:
15:30 Shane-S Not sure where I got 12 from in my notes
15:31 cait oh that's a big jump
15:32 cait make sure you do this: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]uto_increment_fix
15:32 Shane-S yeah other projects kept pulling me was broken stuff vs upgrading working obviously they wanted broken things fixed
15:33 cait and also check your dbms version against htese notes to see if you need to disable strict mode: https://wiki.koha-community.or[…]a_on_Debian#MySQL.7CMariaDB
15:33 Shane-S Now Koha is semi broken, as a new record takes 5 minutes to add (likely because the drive is full)
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15:34 cait hm also should say you absolutely want to use debian packages
15:34 Shane-S would it be easier to stick with MySQL or is the project transistion to MariaDB (since that is really where most the open source devs went to)?
15:35 cait the problem exist with both dbms
15:35 Shane-S okay
15:35 cait sql strict mode doesn't fully work well with koha yet
15:35 Joubu cait: it's fixed in latest versions
15:35 cait Joubu: are they available yet for the lts?
15:35 Joubu since bug 20229 we do no longer need to change the config file
15:35 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20229 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Remove problematic SQL modes
15:36 cait aah
15:36 cait nice
15:36 Joubu ho, not backported
15:36 cait but that's not in 17.11
15:36 Joubu sorry, I thought it was
15:36 cait Shane-S: read both pages carefully and do that why say - it will save you trouble :)
15:37 Shane-S and basically all I need is the stuff in the backup folder to migrate?
15:38 cait you need your database dump
15:38 cait if that's in the backup folder :)
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15:40 Shane-S I haven't been on the server in ages...I honestly forget...I attempted this process last summer..but go pulled into a phone system install that never ended
15:41 Shane-S oh busy weekend and week ahead
15:41 Shane-S time to go build the base VM ty cait
15:44 tuxayo cait:
15:44 tuxayo 11. «please use normal quotes» where do I use not-normal quotes?
15:44 tuxayo 12. «it's ok to give examples on the test plan, you don't have to be extensive»
15:44 tuxayo ok I'll say that it's just a list of examples and that they don't have to be tried on each field
15:45 tuxayo Joubu:
15:45 tuxayo 13. Oh, we never fix alignment not directly related to our code even in a separate patch? Ok it's simpler but I'll will have to hold myself back ^^"
15:45 tuxayo 14. «if it is relative to a currency you need to add an attribute to the currency, not a syspref»
15:45 tuxayo I don't get it, there is nothing directly related to a currency. It just clean the field from everything not in the folowing example "-1,234.56"
15:48 Joubu tuxayo: alignment fixes can only be done if you are sure you will not create conflict with several patches waiting in bugzilla
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15:49 Shane-S apparently I did a migration...but never fully tested I have my data in 16.11.03 in a VM that was off.
15:49 Shane-S Is there a way to enable apt-get to auto-update Koha packages or is that not recommended?
15:50 cait Shane-S: some do oher don't
15:50 cait we don't do automatic updates
15:50 cait tuxayo: imeant these »
15:50 Joubu tuxayo: you could imagine a system used by people using different currencies
15:50 cait i recently looked at a patch that i could hardly read in git because of lots of special characters, just passing this on to you now :)
15:51 Joubu do you want the input method be system-wise or depending on the currency you are using to "input numbers"?
15:51 cait Joubu: i don't this can work currency wise
15:52 cait global should be ok, we only have one active currency
15:52 cait i had suggested to bind it to the display format we have, but people insisted on allowing as many variations as possible, so that's why we eneded up with a pref
15:52 cait so you could allow to use decimal . and decimal , both at the same time
15:54 Joubu that the point, if you are entering $12.345 or $12,345 you will never know what you are entering
15:54 Joubu imagine you copy/paste prices from an invoice
15:55 Joubu but ok, it was just for discussion. We could start with a syspref
15:55 Joubu my guess it that the problem is more complex than just a syspref
15:56 Shane-S ? will Koha packages install MySQL or MariaDB if I don't have it pre-installed?
15:58 Joubu gaetan_B: opinion on bug 19974?
15:58 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=19974 normal, P5 - low, ---, charles.farmer, In Discussion , Marking an item as 'lost' will not actually modify the current item (cataloguing/
16:01 gaetan_B Joubu: currently reading
16:01 * gaetan_B would happily get rid of the "items" tab
16:03 gaetan_B i definitely agree this looks like a long standing bug that has to be fixed
16:03 gaetan_B i wasn't even aware of this actually...
16:03 tuxayo cait: Oh even in IRC these quotes are causing issues? T_T
16:04 tuxayo Joubu: «you could imagine a system used by people using different currencies»
16:04 tuxayo How is that impacted by bug 12310?
16:04 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=12310 critical, P5 - low, ---, victor.grousset, ASSIGNED , Accept different monetary formats as input
16:06 Joubu I tried to explain: 12,345 vs 12.345. Forget about that and start with a pref if you think it's enough
16:07 cait sorry off for a bit
16:10 gaetan_B Joubu: i made a suggestion
16:12 gaetan_B ok i'm leaving for the weekend, happy easter ! 🔔🐰
16:16 huginn News from kohagit: Bug 20503: Prevent Borrower_PrevCheckout.t to fail randomly <[…]f762e5260d8c81a1a>
16:27 reiveune bye
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16:33 * LeeJ waves
16:33 LeeJ hi #koha
16:43 * cait waves
16:49 tuxayo Joubu: Oh I get it now. Unfortunately we can't use the currency symbol to deduce the format and replace the new syspref.
16:49 tuxayo Cause: on the same instance, for inputting the same currency. Depending on the keyboard/locale settings and habits (the numpad inputs a dot even in france) and the nationality of the librarians. Some will use dots and other comas.
16:51 tuxayo Joubu: Cait: thanks for all your feedback :) Hopefully the next time the patch will be ready for real!
16:55 jenkins Project Koha_Master_D8 build #416: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: https://jenkins.koha-community[…]ha_Master_D8/416/
16:55 jenkins Jonathan Druart: Bug 20503: Prevent Borrower_PrevCheckout.t to fail randomly
16:55 huginn Bug[…]_bug.cgi?id=20503 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Borrower_PrevCheckout.t  is failing randomly
16:55 tuxayo cait: about https://bugs.koha-community.or[…]g.cgi?id=19818#c9
16:55 tuxayo "Please make your changes in a follow-up." (huh, ugly quotes :P )
16:55 huginn Bug 19818: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, zoebennett1308, ASSIGNED , Add id into tag html from
16:55 tuxayo Do you mean a follow up patch or follow up bugzilla?
17:08 Joubu jenkins: you drive me crazy!
17:08 jenkins Joubu you may not issue bot commands in this chat!
17:11 tuxayo lol
17:11 tuxayo bye #koha!
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17:21 georgew I'm hanging out with LeeJ in the jitsi room for his Koha documentation webinar and right now we're the only two there
17:21 georgew anyone else want the link?
17:23 cait is there video? :)
17:23 georgew yes
17:24 georgew the link is
17:31 cait thx georgew
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20:08 bag
20:25 davidnind bag: nice! really nice!
20:26 bag :D
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